The variable slope is actually not changing the number of poles it has! Instead, it has the ability to offset the 2 poles of a standard 12db SVF giving the perception of different cutoff slopes and Q enhancement at some extreme settings. It is a very interesting design/technique that has not been used much in other synthesizers to my knowledge.
@@itsbruxyall You mean like vocal formant synthesis? I think you would need a couple filters for that. The VCFS has the ability to offset the cutoff points of the two poles away from each other but they are still in the classic SVF feedback configuration and you don't get two distinct peaks as found in things like the Hordijk Twin Peak or in one part of the the Synton Syrinx filter. As far as it has been explained to me, the slope in the VCFS only changes in the area between the flat response and the asymptote of the filter cut-off. It's still a 12 dB filter at ALL settings. It's just that it has some specialized controls to manipulate the slope right in the most interesting area in terms of audio: right near the cut-off.
An album could be built around this masterpiece, thanks for sharing this precious moment with us, it reminds me the work of Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross on Ghost(s).
That’s one helluva trumpet. I’m very fond of the touch sequencer and the RS stuff in general. I like that they have actually worked with Serge. Thanks for the music and the video.
In my view, when it comes to innovating in the modular space, there's simply no greater mind than Serge. As an added bonus, his instruments are sonically magnificent. No shade to Buchla and Moog, love their work too.
Serge equipment is great! I would love to have some of it, but alas, I must eat and pay rent. Read somewhere the Serge looked at the circuit design of Buchla and discovered that Buchla was not using his designs fully as they could have. Serge made his circuits to be super versatile by design each module to be capable of multiple functions. Great video!
For me these are the main and most important contribution to 'west-coast synthesis': Using banana cables for everything, making audio and CV interchangable, and the function blocks with patch programmability. This leads to a completely different approach to the synthesizer IMHO. It is very playful.
I really enjoyed this collaboration as well as your demonstration of the current Serge Modular system. Hopefully, we can see another follow up or additional video demonstrating the keyboard/sequencer in the very near future. Thanks for putting the effort into this as many of us cannot afford this model. Fantastic performance.
Love the sounds, especially that collaboration at the end. I have a pile of Random*Source and AR.C EuroSerge, including a Euro version of the TKB; and just recently picked up an STS Animate panel (IMO the best Serge shop panel STS ever made, and I got a good deal on a used unit). Serge is amazing stuff, and more flexible than just about anything else out there. I've only just begun to explore it. Random*Source is great, particularly as they're working directly with Serge Tcherepnin to update the circuits. La Bestia II is definitely on my list of must-have shop panels, along with a handful of their 4x4 panels, especially the DUSG mkII XL; quite possibly the best version of the best module ever designed (IMO of course). Going to have to pick up a 4U version of the TKB for that rig as well.
After listening to the part starting at 13:15 I found myself strangely transported to some parallel dimension. It took some effort to get back home from that...
Exactly @ 5:33 This is what my ARP could do but I never knew what was actually happening!! Can you please tell me? Its like AMing the S+H ? Random but not random pitch.
It's sample and hold with an LFO as source and not noise, using this patch from John P. In the muffwiggler forum: Send a varying signal from LFO or Random Source into Smooth In. Using a DSG or DTG create a rectangular clock pulse with a 99% duty cycle, that is, mostly 'on,' with a tiny 'off' part. Send that pulse into Smooth HOLD. Turn Smooth Rate fully clockwise. Send Smooth Out to a VCO or some other module that needs a control voltage. Play with the DSG rise/fall times and Smooth Rate. While HOLD is low the Smooth section takes a 'sample', when HOLD is high that sample is held.
So great. Been a hainbach fan for years and somehow missed this at the time. Discovering this video was a lovely little Easter egg this evening! ❤️ more serge content please :)
Awesome collab. Sarah is amazing. We both performed at Nor Cal Noisefest a few years ago. She had a project called burnt dot. I love what she does with wind and synths!
Calling Dual Slopes a simple envelope generator, tut tut mister Hainbach! The DUSG is one of the most complex and wide ranged modules there are, and it's no wonder the MN Maths is a direct ripoff from it.
Rex Probe and Sound Transform Systems was the guy who made many updates to the serge designs and really got the power supply system sorted out to be hyper clean and to provide a sound fidelity unlike any other system I’ve used. Love to know how the system in your video is powered and hooked up to the panels. BTW - Pomona banana leads are primarily designed for Lab equipment and super high quality and durable too - thus the high price
Collaboration piece sounds thunderously intense. Love how it is so full of energy and emotion. I have always wanted to try to create a soundscape on a Serge Machine. 💥🐒💡🎹👀
I wonder if I could use galvanic effects to take immiscible metals (or maybe simply mercury on a metal plate) to play the elements like an instrument. Stirring things around should change the bulk electrical characteristics of your physically sampled space and it also varies depending on where your probes are and how pronounced a specific effect might be.
Two of my favourite compositions from your hand is Landstrasse 2020, and this jam together with Sarah Belle Reid. A very mature musical decision to include her rather odd trumpet. Mesmerising! Imho, even though your works evoke feelings, they tend to be rather abstract and cerebral, oftentimes I think your compositions would benefit from the addition of, say, an odd trumpet...
Really nice tones out of that, Ive been a serge user for a while and havent tried the La Beistia 2, though have had all the modules in it. Sounds like it does the job pretty properly. Thanks for posting a detailed video, dont really see too many on Serge stuff
Fantastic demo and walkthrough. I have started my own small r&s system in euro but always wanted to try the real deal. I’m attracted to this panel but think that two filters in such small panel is too much? I’m comparing with animal panel. What did you think of it as a panel? Thank you!!
This is a great review! I have been on a waiting list for the panel for well over a year. The La Bestia 2 panel is unobtainium in my opinion now... How unfortunate.
It's easy and cheap to build high quality banana cables, get some high quality, silicon insulated 16AWG or 18AWG wire (I actually made a lot of mine with 14AWG but it doesn't work very well with some connectors), your 4mm banana connectors of choice on eBay, and you can knock out really nice 1m cables in about a minute each for $1-$2 per cable. They're the easiest kind of cables to make and repair - no shielding, sturdy connectors designed for field assembly in industrial settings. Drill a couple of 4.2mm holes in a board to hold the connectors while you're soldering and use a helping hands or something to hold the cable in place and it's even easier.
On the I Dream of wires interview cEvin Key of "skinny puppy/download" Fame talked about how during the making of the album "the process" members of "psychic TV" came by to jam/BrAp and one of them had a serge module and the track titled "Blue Serge" came from it!🎹🎧💫😵👌👍
If it weren't for Metasonix, I'd probably have a Serge setup. Of course since I already took the Eurorack dive, Metasonix has come out with a few Serge panels. Oh well, no regrets 🤠
Danke for doing this video in English! I remember one time there was a video for, I think it was the Music Easel, and it was in Italian! So it was useless to me, apart from the cool sounds. :)
Watching this just makes me wish that I had "Modular" money. Haha! I think the closest I'm ever going to get to working with a proper modular synth is what I'm doing now with "VCV Rack".
Please don't say that R*S modules are 100% the same as the older Serge circuits, STS or CGS stuff. . There is difference but the normal human will not probably hear the difference. And knowing some stuff is missing in some builds many are having modules where they don't even know if is not fully functioning as it should...
A Serge system is so playful, isn't it? For me these are the main and most important contributions to 'west-coast synthesis' by Serge: Using banana cables for everything, making audio and CV interchangable, and the function blocks with patch programmability. This leads to a completely different approach to the synthesizer IMHO.
fonitronik - is the La Bestia the panel that you would recommend most as a self contained system (or as the first panel someone buys with the intention of expanding later on) or are there any others that could be a better choice? (assuming that sequencing is already taken care of)
The variable slope is actually not changing the number of poles it has! Instead, it has the ability to offset the 2 poles of a standard 12db SVF giving the perception of different cutoff slopes and Q enhancement at some extreme settings. It is a very interesting design/technique that has not been used much in other synthesizers to my knowledge.
Ah, thank you for clarifying that!
Dakota Melin this video for La Bestia couldn’t have came at a better time! Thanks Hainbach
This is great info Dakota Melin. Does this mean you could work with Formant creation using this filter & these offset controls?
@@itsbruxyall You mean like vocal formant synthesis? I think you would need a couple filters for that. The VCFS has the ability to offset the cutoff points of the two poles away from each other but they are still in the classic SVF feedback configuration and you don't get two distinct peaks as found in things like the Hordijk Twin Peak or in one part of the the Synton Syrinx filter. As far as it has been explained to me, the slope in the VCFS only changes in the area between the flat response and the asymptote of the filter cut-off. It's still a 12 dB filter at ALL settings. It's just that it has some specialized controls to manipulate the slope right in the most interesting area in terms of audio: right near the cut-off.
Thank God for it not sounding like roland. 😎
The piece with Sarah Belle Reid was absolutely stunning! Thank you both.
An album could be built around this masterpiece, thanks for sharing this precious moment with us, it reminds me the work of Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross on Ghost(s).
That’s one helluva trumpet.
I’m very fond of the touch sequencer and the RS stuff in general. I like that they have actually worked with Serge. Thanks for the music and the video.
In my view, when it comes to innovating in the modular space, there's simply no greater mind than Serge. As an added bonus, his instruments are sonically magnificent. No shade to Buchla and Moog, love their work too.
wow that jam at the end was incredible!
Serge equipment is great! I would love to have some of it, but alas, I must eat and pay rent. Read somewhere the Serge looked at the circuit design of Buchla and discovered that Buchla was not using his designs fully as they could have. Serge made his circuits to be super versatile by design each module to be capable of multiple functions. Great video!
For me these are the main and most important contribution to 'west-coast synthesis': Using banana cables for everything, making audio and CV interchangable, and the function blocks with patch programmability. This leads to a completely different approach to the synthesizer IMHO. It is very playful.
This is the best Serge demo, a variety of good sounds done quickly with informative narration.
Wow! I loved everything about this!
'Bananas are sturdy and you can stack them'
I was laughing so hard hearing that sentence 😂
What a nice surprise! Almost some Karplus sounds ranging to crisp FM to raw analog....what a diverse amazing piece of gear.
That song at the end was truly amazing.
The collaboration sounds wonderful! Congrats
I really enjoyed this collaboration as well as your demonstration of the current Serge Modular system. Hopefully, we can see another follow up or additional video demonstrating the keyboard/sequencer in the very near future. Thanks for putting the effort into this as many of us cannot afford this model. Fantastic performance.
That outro was spooktacular!
I’m late to the party but this is amazing. The performance at the end with SBR blew me away.
Love the sounds, especially that collaboration at the end.
I have a pile of Random*Source and AR.C EuroSerge, including a Euro version of the TKB; and just recently picked up an STS Animate panel (IMO the best Serge shop panel STS ever made, and I got a good deal on a used unit). Serge is amazing stuff, and more flexible than just about anything else out there. I've only just begun to explore it.
Random*Source is great, particularly as they're working directly with Serge Tcherepnin to update the circuits. La Bestia II is definitely on my list of must-have shop panels, along with a handful of their 4x4 panels, especially the DUSG mkII XL; quite possibly the best version of the best module ever designed (IMO of course). Going to have to pick up a 4U version of the TKB for that rig as well.
The strange is while watching this I was eating a banana.
Thanks for the review @Hainbach have you tried the Inori?
After listening to the part starting at 13:15 I found myself strangely transported to some parallel dimension. It took some effort to get back home from that...
7:35 texture wow!
Exactly @ 5:33 This is what my ARP could do but I never knew what was actually happening!! Can you please tell me? Its like AMing the S+H ? Random but not random pitch.
It's sample and hold with an LFO as source and not noise, using this patch from John P. In the muffwiggler forum:
Send a varying signal from LFO or Random Source into Smooth In. Using a
DSG or DTG create a rectangular clock pulse with a 99% duty cycle, that
is, mostly 'on,' with a tiny 'off' part. Send that pulse into Smooth
HOLD. Turn Smooth Rate fully clockwise. Send Smooth Out to a VCO or
some other module that needs a control voltage. Play with the DSG
rise/fall times and Smooth Rate. While HOLD is low the Smooth section
takes a 'sample', when HOLD is high that sample is held.
@@Hainbach Thank you.. looking for years to get that sound only my odyssey could do!
7:20 Cluster!!! Yours is the best electronic music channe.
impossible to make a bad sound on it, pure eargasm, what a beast
Amazing collaboration on this one. So beautiful.
So great. Been a hainbach fan for years and somehow missed this at the time. Discovering this video was a lovely little Easter egg this evening! ❤️ more serge content please :)
holy moly. that soundscape at the end is awesome. powerfull
I was hoping for more Serge videos from you and am super happy to have watched this adventure! :) Thank you
Awesome collab. Sarah is amazing. We both performed at Nor Cal Noisefest a few years ago. She had a project called burnt dot. I love what she does with wind and synths!
Very good presentation of this system! I like the TKB controller but wonder why it is so expensive, it can't be a very complicated circuit?
Because it is built by hand in a small shop in small numbers.
The jam at the end was really good.
MAN! that collab at the end❤thanks for sharing.
Great video and collaboration. I hope to see you work with more Serge stuff in the future.
its a musty / like trüffel sound ... thank you for reminding that this world exist
Calling Dual Slopes a simple envelope generator, tut tut mister Hainbach! The DUSG is one of the most complex and wide ranged modules there are, and it's no wonder the MN Maths is a direct ripoff from it.
Really love the music at the end.
oh man. love this. also would love to get my hands on one. so damn cool. The collab with Sarah was spectacular!!!
I just got myself a TKB, would love to see a video focusing on it!
That song reminded me of The Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble, really nice!
Rex Probe and Sound Transform Systems was the guy who made many updates to the serge designs and really got the power supply system sorted out to be hyper clean and to provide a sound fidelity unlike any other system I’ve used. Love to know how the system in your video is powered and hooked up to the panels.
BTW - Pomona banana leads are primarily designed for Lab equipment and super high quality and durable too - thus the high price
That is the Random Source Supply, the one for four panels.
Collaboration piece sounds thunderously intense. Love how it is so full of energy and emotion. I have always wanted to try to create a soundscape on a Serge Machine. 💥🐒💡🎹👀
thanks for the info on this amazing piece of equipment -
beautiful collab at the end👌
I wonder if I could use galvanic effects to take immiscible metals (or maybe simply mercury on a metal plate) to play the elements like an instrument. Stirring things around should change the bulk electrical characteristics of your physically sampled space and it also varies depending on where your probes are and how pronounced a specific effect might be.
A buddy of mine showed me that Serge touch panel/ arpeggiator that he's building last night, coincidence?
Gorgeous piece of music!
Thanks for this! In the mid 80s, I wanted two modular systems: Serge w/sequencer, and the Roland 100m. Great walkthrough and demo's - cheers. :)
Two of my favourite compositions from your hand is Landstrasse 2020, and this jam together with Sarah Belle Reid. A very mature musical decision to include her rather odd trumpet. Mesmerising!
Imho, even though your works evoke feelings, they tend to be rather abstract and cerebral, oftentimes I think your compositions would benefit from the addition of, say, an odd trumpet...
It’s good to have “good to have you back” back. Don’t do that to me again, man, my nerves can’t take it.
Really nice tones out of that, Ive been a serge user for a while and havent tried the La Beistia 2, though have had all the modules in it. Sounds like it does the job pretty properly. Thanks for posting a detailed video, dont really see too many on Serge stuff
pretty great stuff, as usual!
What's the plugin used on ableton?
I actually don't know - will ask Sarah.
MaxMSP
my god, this sounds so so classy
Fantastic demo and walkthrough. I have started my own small r&s system in euro but always wanted to try the real deal. I’m attracted to this panel but think that two filters in such small panel is too much? I’m comparing with animal panel. What did you think of it as a panel? Thank you!!
As filters can be oscillators and more, I don't think two are too many. I love having two.
HAINBACH cool good to know your opinion thank you!!!
Nice! Thanks for sharing .
The session in the end... Wow.
Banana cables are the easiest kind of cable to DIY, too. Cheap materials, easy to solder, easy to repair if you ever need to.
This is incredible 😍
5:15 hell ya!
Ich find deine Videos klasse und echt inspirierend.
I have the animoo and the tkb. Still no idea how to patch. 😅😭
Amazing!!! Did you happen to make any samples with this? It sounds so fun! Just saw the Patreon post! Thank yoU!
Yes, sound pack is live now on patreon.com/Hainbach
Holy crap goddamn. This track at the end is amazing.
This is a great review! I have been on a waiting list for the panel for well over a year. The La Bestia 2 panel is unobtainium in my opinion now... How unfortunate.
It's easy and cheap to build high quality banana cables, get some high quality, silicon insulated 16AWG or 18AWG wire (I actually made a lot of mine with 14AWG but it doesn't work very well with some connectors), your 4mm banana connectors of choice on eBay, and you can knock out really nice 1m cables in about a minute each for $1-$2 per cable.
They're the easiest kind of cables to make and repair - no shielding, sturdy connectors designed for field assembly in industrial settings. Drill a couple of 4.2mm holes in a board to hold the connectors while you're soldering and use a helping hands or something to hold the cable in place and it's even easier.
Your vids are the best dude..
Loved this!
7:27
Thank you that was great..
9:20 will always be Serge
13:29 Holly shit, that's pretty apocalyptic! Not, that I wouldn't enjoy aspecialy that. ;P
15:10
Stripes on stripes on stripes! :P
...looks like you had fun with this. I thoroughly
enjoyed that brief outgoing Sequence.
On the I Dream of wires interview cEvin Key of "skinny puppy/download" Fame talked about how during the making of the album "the process" members of "psychic TV" came by to jam/BrAp and one of them had a serge module and the track titled "Blue Serge" came from it!🎹🎧💫😵👌👍
I have the Segre like Doepfer A171-2 VCS Slope Generator module and it is fun! Would love to try out a real Serge system one day.
If it weren't for Metasonix, I'd probably have a Serge setup. Of course since I already took the Eurorack dive, Metasonix has come out with a few Serge panels. Oh well, no regrets 🤠
Sick jam!
Wow ! I love their stuff! Peace Christo 👽🎶🐕🛸☮️
That trumpet giving big Darkjazz vibes.
Sound is crazy
price is nice ?
7:30 gorgeous
Danke for doing this video in English! I remember one time there was a video for, I think it was the Music Easel, and it was in Italian! So it was useless to me, apart from the cool sounds. :)
great song!
ooooh cool 5:17
Watching this just makes me wish that I had "Modular" money. Haha! I think the closest I'm ever going to get to working with a proper modular synth is what I'm doing now with "VCV Rack".
VCV rack is awesome - I love what it enables in sound and possibilities.
Very nice
Are banana cables compatible with a standard audio jack or guitar jack?
Yep, you can solder an adapter easily and cheaply or buy a converter box from logain.
Honestly using bananas is so much better as their really cheap to make and you cant really get any that aren't stackable
Absolutely! I had longer part in here about the superiority of bananas but I cut it for brevity. And it's easier explained IRL.
Cool. But I've never even heard of a double trumpet--VERY cool.
what no sausages!?
Please don't say that R*S modules are 100% the same as the older Serge circuits, STS or CGS stuff. . There is difference but the normal human will not probably hear the difference. And knowing some stuff is missing in some builds many are having modules where they don't even know if is not fully functioning as it should...
I never said anywhere that they are the same.
Nice.
fantastico synth, nome sfortunato che ricorda i sub umani leghisti italiani purtroppo.
A Serge system is so playful, isn't it? For me these are the main and most important contributions to 'west-coast synthesis' by Serge: Using banana cables for everything, making audio and CV interchangable, and the function blocks with patch programmability. This leads to a completely different approach to the synthesizer IMHO.
fonitronik - is the La Bestia the panel that you would recommend most as a self contained system (or as the first panel someone buys with the intention of expanding later on) or are there any others that could be a better choice? (assuming that sequencing is already taken care of)
14:30 ; no doubt; this guy is german! lol
Ohhhhhhhh.... Me want...
what? only 2600 eur + 1700 eur for keyboard? what a steal /s
FYI the 4U gear is a niche market in a niche market, with a lot of manual work and customization involved. So each piece is like an one-off actually.
I feel only your voice
Aphex twins been eating too many pizza rolls
neat
TÚ eres la bestia.
Ace.
pretty awesome : ) just 1 little correction.. you dont say +of the la bestia+ you just say +of la bestia+ since la is the : )