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Porsche used to be the un-Ferrari. You could walk into a dealer, pay MSRP, and order a car how you want it. Now, unless you have been leasing a bunch of lesser models, or are willing to pay way over MSRP, you aren’t going to get an allocation for a more desirable model. I don’t think Porsche realizes just how much brand equity they have lost by behaving like jerks. There are a lot of folks like me who are enthusiasts and have the money, just don’t want to play that game. Hey Porsche execs: and the horse you rode in on.
@@JayEmmOnCarsJames, since we are talking Porsche, what’s your opinion on the following. In the US: if you have $20-$25K, would you go for an 996 or would you spend the same money on a Cayman or Boxster?
Actually I have an RS but it’s just too much car for the road. So I track it. The mx5 is a great street car- in fact I like it so much I just put a deposit on the 2025. Truthfully any car with over 300 hp (that’s not too heavy) is boring because you cannot legally or safely use it on the road. The mx5 is a true driving car that you can throw around on a public road while maintaining your license
Had a 991 GT3. Sold it, got an ND3 Miata and enjoy it more 99% of the time. That 1% of the time would make me tear up though it was such a beautiful sound. So, enjoy Miata, sell it eventually, get GT3. Enjoy it, sell it, buy another Miata.
@@keithrichards-io5dbsimilar story Had several 911/Ferrari etc Got ND2 club 6 months ago By far the best drivers car in a public road ( just cames 2nd in ECOTY this month 911 ST was first )
In 2016 I purchased my GT4 for list price, ordered it exactly how I wanted it. Was the most pleasant sales experiences. Today the dealers in my area think that there doing you a favor letting you in to just look, because your never getting a GT car, and if you want any 911 be prepared to pay there porsche tax, and dare not complain, or get lost.
Also have a 981 GT4. It's SO GOOD that I just don't see paying 50-70k more for a 991.2 GT3 with 3 pedals. The 911 guys won't ever admit it, but the Cayman GT4 (981 or 718) is 60% of a 911 with the engine in the right place. I'm sure you've watched reviews, or possibly driven, the GT4RS - anyone honest with themselves will admit it's more balanced than the 911 on track. But I digress, I believe the GT4 is a perfect car for the street. I don't want 500+hp on the street, I wanna ring the gears out a little before going to prison.
@@Viporghini it’s the reverse actually believe it or not. 911 at least the newer cars are very stable on the track. Off road track mistakes are usually the GT4 and 4 RS drivers. GT4 and 4RS are more nervous at the limit due to shorter wheelbase and mid engine. I know it sounds like the 911 is rear biased so should be unstable except the rear actually makes the car very stable as long as you leave the electronics on. The rear is always there and never goes. You have to do something incredibly stupid to spin out.
I had the 991.1 GT3, no complaints at all - if anything, to be frank, these cars are a bit too fast for the street. Jay alluded to this as well - you have to shut the fun down before you get very far into 3rd gear, because if you get caught driving like that you'll lose your license. I know it may seem overcautious, but if you really want the car mainly for road use, it's already overkill. Today we have a 718 Spyder and I couldn't be happier - 6spd manual, top down, sounds marvellous and it's got most of what our GT3 had but it's much better as a street car. That's my advice. I have some secret purchase but I won't share them. ;)
Please tell me the name of that dealer. No……I don’t want to get it as a “loaner”…..I want to avoid him as a buyer. On second thought, that’s not true. It would be fine to have a dealer that would entrust a new car to a responsible client…..mine gave me a brand new, zero miles Panamera. What they need to do is be a bit more careful who they loan new fleet cars to…..not people that will treat a brand new 718 like it was a Hertz Rental.
Are you serious ? What kind of car do you normally drive ? Not a Porsche….or at least not a new one….ever. There isn’t a manufacturer of high-end cars on this planet that will advise you to run a brand new model to it redline…..NONE. Oh…..sure….there are trailer park winners of Le Mans, that will advise you to drive a brand new Porsche “ like you stole it.”…….that’s because that’s the only way they will ever drive one…..IF THEY STEAL ONE !!! Come on pal, tell me you have more class than to run the nuts off a new 718 !!!?
@@Grasshopper0122 Agreed, the one I had only had around 200 miles on it so drove it like a granny as I didn't want to cock-up any sort of running-in procedures. Can't imagine everyone is as careful as that sadly :(
Cheap manual GT3's definitely need to be checked for massive over revs. Pretty common unfortunately. I do think the 991.2 has more torque in the 2500-3500 RPM range, the 992 is squeezed there by the ECU for reasons of the prescribed emission test driving cycle..
100% not to mention if used as intended on track they are going to have had a harder life than most garage queens. I reckon most on the market for a 'good price' are going to be pretty dicey.
After being many years on the Porsche side with various models (also racing in the GT3 Cup) I can confirm that Porsche is a perfect track day car and (lower range 911 models)a perfect daily. For the enjoyment of the longer road trips, mountain passes etc. nothing will be close to Ferrari.
I am simple man. I see Jay, I see GT3, I click and insta like before even watching. Awesome video as always. This 991.2 GT3 in Touring spec with manual (thx god Tourings were manual only) with this exact colour (Sapphire Blue Metallic) is my dream car I will buy one day.
I had the 991.2 as manual and now the 992 as automatic. Manual transmission is nice if you occasionally drive the car in a sporty manner, but for daily use, especially in city traffic with stop and go, the PDK version is more comfortable.
I’ve had my 991.2 for two and a half years now and so far it’s spent 10 months of that back at the Porsche dealership. It’s had the engine out 5 times for new oil tanks as they split and leak everywhere. Also the dynamic engine mounts are a continued nightmare mine now gone through 7 of them……I was told the car only had 3 so it’s done the same ones multiple times. I bought it with 6000 and it’s only done 12.000 miles now because I’m terrified to drive it anywhere for fear of breaking………needless to say it’s going up for sale
Highly unusual for the 4L NA, this unit has been the power plant for the 991.2 GT3, GT3 Touring GT3 RS, 992 GT3, 992 GT3 Touring, 992 GT3 RS and S/T, 718 Spyder RS and GT4 RS - its a genuine race engine that is also used in the Cup Cars. Its also in the recently released 992.2 GT3. Hate to say it, but you have been unlucky or your car has a back story to it e.g. it may have been rear ended or damaged in some other way.
Nice to see my ‘old’ car still going strong. Sold just at the wrong time before the prices shot up🙁 I presume your friend James is the 3rd owner as I sold it at the end of 2019 ‘pre-covid’ …
Honestly approaching good time to get into a 991.1 GT3 also assuming you take the time to get one with a G6 revision engine. The 10 year warranty extension are approaching the end so the prices will certainly soften some. Considering the price difference at least here in the states the 991.1 is pretty appealing.
Excellent review, 991.2 GT3, GT3 Touring and GT3 RS are some the best Porsche have ever made - much more interesting and much more character than the 992. The 991.2 has the 4L and has proven to be bullet proof, it is the same engine with minor tweaks that is found in the 992.1 S/T, GT3, GT3 RS in slightly different states of tune. Also no OPF filters.
Everyone remembers the 997 gt3rs,.I'd like to say a hello to my forgotten friend the 997 gt2rs. It would be great to see someone try and tame that wild beast one day
Not is USA. The dealers frequently ‘overlook’ obvious damage during pre-owned inspections and markups are insane. +$250,000 USD markup was not uncommon for a great drives car valued significantly less. I’ve experienced this several times from multiple dealerships: “how much are you willing to pay?” Porsche USA choosing to partner with car flippers and not actual drivers is a common trend. My proposal is to raise MSRP and then to not allow dealership markups to eliminate the issue.
You don't always have to pay ADM.... those Taycan's ain't gonna sell themselves! I reckon a new electric Macan Turbo and Taycan Turbo in your purchae history and you'll be right up in the top 50 in line for a GT allocation
@@melondoc And then you see how much money you lost on those two cars...so you could have just payed the mark up of that GT3 and don't bother with the purchase of Taycan/Macan.
as a 991 and 992 driver, i can attest that what he says at 14:10 is the absolute truth. 992: much bigger numbers, but doesn't feel right. 991 feels so much more alive.
In Europe at least, all that people were waiting for was for automatics to get good. Once automatics started to come with more gears, lock up torque converters and faster changes, it was all over for manuals for most people.
I recently visited my dealer and wished to order a GT car. They told me I needed to buy a new panamera, Macan EV and a Turbo Taycan before they would consider putting me on a list for a new GT3.
There is a GT3 Touring on Collecting Cars “coming soon”… I showed it to my wife asking how much she thought it was, choosing from £80k / £180k or £280k. She sniggered and said… “80k obviously… it’s a little boring to look at”… therein another issue for the brand…. It’s done an “Audi” and for most punters, there is little visible difference between mundane and exotic… 🤨
Solid review…get a Mezger engine earlier version…in a manual…stay away from the Italiano basket cases, the 3rd rate Deutsche detonation rigs, the Pommie garbage tips & enjoy the car knowing you are not likely going to need a truck to get you home (ask me how I know this).
@@Nord_Mann 991 is the same weight as the 992.1 and has the double wishbone front which, for me, is a total game changer. No more front end 'MacPherson' style hopping in turns while trail braking and high G apexing. Tons better over crap central London roads. It is bigger but so are all cars now. After the poor showing on the 992.2 I have ordered up a second 992.1 for Tuesday. I'm replacing my Huracan Tecnica with it and I won't regret it.
Quite possibly one of the ultimate 911's BUT! Way beyond my means and I've been infected with the "mid engine madness" soooo if I could find some extra $ I'd go after a 981 GTS. In the meantime I'll enjoy my 08 987.1 base 5spd. 🤠
A Porsche rev range report may be a key to understanding some of manual GT3 unusual price tags. Many of those were money shifted at some point in life 😢 Very expensive to undo.
Haven't seen too many be dogged in Japan outside of specialized clubs like Idlers club but this has to be the better sounding GT3 with the selection of aftermarket exhausts present
I personally think the PDK is more fun for a few reasons. 1) shorter gears. I get to go up and down and up and down none stop thru the gears with PDK a lot more often than manual. Your complain on going to jail due to tall gears is even more prevalent in the manual. 2) The horsepower wars in car industry since 2015 era has really kicked off. The manual just feels slow to me. These cars are still ridiculously fast but a lot of it does come from not losing torque for that split second during shifts. With PDK this fully naturally aspirated beauty of an engine still competes even in straight line against your much higher than 500hp+ counter parts which feels gratifying to me.
I have to admit, I was 100% in the "manual or nothing" camp until I drove a Porsche with a PDK. I never knew an automatic transmission could actually be just as fun and exciting as a manual. If only budget allowed me to have one of each!
Street driving = pdk. Track = pdk. No reason to get manual in this car, it's not made for it. With flat up shifting and blip down shifting, it's not much different from a slow sequential box.
In gear accel (and thus the force you feel) is slightly quicker for the manual due to less losses and lower weight. What you gain in gear you lose during the shifts, but it certainly doesn't feel slower and in fact 60-130 times are identical or slightly in the manual's favor.
@JayEmmOnCars thank you so much for this brilliant video. Having recently escaped from a Lotus Emira I have just started a frankly bewildering journey into the world of Porsche. It's videos like this that really help lift the 911 991 dot whatever fog. 😊
i was looking at second hand emira with 500 miles 1 owner (60k) i rang my nearest lotus branch as i wanted a good chat about buying it and what would happen with the warranty, service plans, known issues etc. they basically said they have sold loads but not selling anymore but are happy for you to come to them for servicing. the convo lasted about 2 mins on the phone , just not interested at all. Now looking at maybe a porsche ..
i think the fact there are soo many online and some with 2 / 3 owners but still on low milage tells us all we need to know. People are buying them and selling them pretty quickly.
@@Killswitch85as I have just discovered through the Porsche Centre in Bournemouth (UK), they treat you like royalty and a two year warranty on any used car 😊
Interesting about the engine problems. I have a 991.2 Carrera T. Had to have both turbos replaced, luckily for me it was still under warranty. I wouldn't have it without a warranty. I do love it though.....
I just gave up on the dealers. It’s a game I won’t play having to be in the allocation club buying what I don’t want and losing money just for a “chance” to buy what I do. I showed up once to a CA dealer with cash for a certain 991 I wanted and left being told they weren’t interested. They didn’t even take my name. Only way to go is PP used.
Nice video. Even as a big Porsche fan, I might expose myself to blasphemy but… The Metzger was also Not fully bullet proof… I remember when looking at buying 997 GT3s, the 3.6 or 3.8… it was always better to budget for an engine rebuilt. You might Not need it… but you might…. They’re all fantastic cars and engine. But personally I wouldn’t risk the 991.1.
I drove old mercedes diesels most of my life. Then I came upon a somewhat neglected 88 MR2 Supercharged, fixed it up, and finally realized what I've been missing. I still have it, and also have an S2000 Honda. Although a 991 may be 10 years out for me, a 997 may be a test drive away from being in my garage.
I drove old bangers most of my life, then, in 2014 I came into a huge chunk of money (I won't bore you but no, I didn't win the lottery) and I literally swapped a Peugeot 106 out for a Rolls Royce Ghost. Since then I have indeed owned many types of cars but for me there is nothing that comes close to the experience of driving a Rolls Royce.
@ I still have my 79 w116 s-class as my daily driver. Even though I only paid $8k for it years ago, it always had me felling comfortable wherever I go, and whenever I get there. Saying that, I can’t imagine how nice a ride your Ghost would be.
Great video! I tried to buy that car from East London back in the summer, damn your friend! (PS - it was to replace an idenical car another London dealer brought back with premature engine failure)
I applaud those who continue to try and enjoy cars like this in the UK, but in reality unless you can go to tracks or areas such as the remote parts of the Pyrenees fairly regularly it must be painfully frustrating. It is essentially impossible to really enjoy them more than a few corners at a time unless you are not particularly fond of your driving license.
Ah, I wish the same thing would apply in Indonesia, 991.2 GT3s are my absolute favourite 911. Sadly only 4 991.2 GT3s remained here. Many others had been re-exported because they arrived without any sort of legal papers. Something Porsche Indonesia learned the hard way back in 2018.
James, assuming money is no issue, should I get this or a GT4 981? Looking for a Porsche, of that age, for mostly weekend road fun and possibly a few track days. I own multiple other supercars, plus daily drivers, definitely only want to choose between these two cars and deffo want a manual. Thanks 😃
991.1 RS has a different engine to a 991.2 GT3. The 991.1 RS has a revised 991.1 GT3 engine, with some internal fixes and a lowered Rev limit to 8600 rpm. And yes some 991.1 RS have had some issues, primarily if the oil isn’t replaced within 10,000 Km’s Max/ the specification of said oil isn’t 100% correct and poor fuel quality issues. But both issues can be mitigated 😌
Porsche is the only manufacturer that can have cars literally catching on fire, multiple generations with catastrophic engine failure, and can still be considered the greatest manufacturer of all time. And that’s coming from someone with multiple in the garage! Brilliant marketing for sure!😅
Yes and they did something to ensure that when Italians ( especially Alfa Romeo) do said thing, every journalist worth his salt, repeatedly tells us how unreliable Italian cars are and not to buy them. Imagine if Alfas had IMS or bore scoring ?😮
If you hold these “incidents” up against the number of Porsche GT cars produced and their mileage and use, I think you can safely say that these are very well build and reliable cars.
I understand the RS with the faster pdk shifts were more likely to spit a cam shim out, which could work its way to the oil pump and cause engine damage due to low oil pressure. 991.2 engine while not foolproof is pretty solid, on the whole. Re gearboxes, i think the manual is stillmthe slightly more expensive option. Gt3's are very spec sensitive, no front lift and they struggle to sell.
Porsche is the only manufacturer that can have cars literally catching on fire, multiple generations with catastrophic engine failure, and can still be considered the greatest manufacturer of all time. And that’s coming from someone with multiple in the garage! Brilliant marketing for sure!
Be careful with that statement.. Porsche sold 320,000 cars last year but it looks like they might not even make 300,000 this year, and if that happens it means Porsche sold 54 less cars every day in 2024 than they did in 2023. 👈 That's No bueno.
Love Your vids man! I know it’s not really your thing, but it’d be great to see you on track with something like these (if the kind people are happy for you to do so) not every car or every vid and yes I could go to auto trader to watch them, but it’d still be cool!
I like the car and the nod to the classic BRM cars, but it was a strange tie-up. You have to be really ancient and an ardent Le Mans enthusiast to remember the Rover-BRM turbine car, I'm probably both, but I was only six at the time.
Madness, modern 911’s with engine issues, have they not learned. My only 911 ownership was a 996 and it cracked a cylinder liner taking me out of 911 love and ownership dreaming that one day I’d re-enter with a modern, more robust design, how wrong I was…. Sad
Porsche 991.1S owner and Porsche fan;but; there's no way i'm paying what they're asking today...im simply looking elsewhere for that money. There's just too much out there for similar money. A used (insert?) AMG gtr or a used 911 s ?
My 991.2 manual certainly “kicks” at 5k and then again at 7.5k. And I treat these shift points like different modes - up to 5k is a pretty fast normal car. Up to 7.5k is a very fast car. Up to the redline is an insane license loser.
If you want the noise from 2,000 RPMs all the way to 7,000 RPMs, the looks and the engagement, buy a manual F-type V6, late 2017 or 2018 model so no GPF. Switch Dynamic mode on and you will never regret. Ask me how I know 😁
Jags have terrible reliability, I know I worked for them. I remember the chief engineer saying we test cars to do 100k miles, the Germans build cars to do 250k.
@JoeKing-t7l when it comes to the V6 engine at least that's BS. People who don't understand about car maintenance usually spread that myth. Like other manufacturers, they don't include everything that may need changing in the service schedule. You gotta do your research and do preventative maintenance by replacing wear and tear items from the cooling system, pipes mostly, at 50 or sooner, change the fluids more often and they will last a lot time.
The worst thing about owning a Porsche is the absulute purifyingly bad service... Porsches front office is the best place to leave a turd.. Thank God there are many specialist shops out there where Porsche lovers/admirers who know as much more about your Porsche as the Porsche engineers know it themselves.. IF the Engineers of Porsche could just ditch the front office, altogether..
Hey @jayemmoncars, let your buddy James know, if he doesn’t, that the car does have Apple CarPlay. I used to be the proud owner of this particular beauty and I can assure you it was driven properly despite my slight OCD 🤭
A 4 seater Porsche GT3? Now you tell me. How exactly does that work, by putting the engine a metre behind the rear axle? Tell me, James, is the gearbox a little like the curates egg? And, it did look as if you shifted late into 3rd and ended up in Andorra?
I had one for just over ten years. Depending where you live but in town or heavy traffic the clutch definitely gave me “clutch leg”! Also my wife hated the very harsh ride. Go for front lift as speed bumps and awkward gradients will become very expensive. I never jelled with the manual gearbox, found it over notchy and easy to over rev unless you’re extra careful. Great as a track car but if you want it for the road buy a Turbo.
@hpman911 that's some awesome feedback. Sounds like I won't be driving this on leg day then 😅. I'm definitely looking at comfort spec and the wife knows it will be a car just for me so if she doesn't like the ride she can go in her car 😂. With those negatives out the way, you had it for over ten years, what were some of the things you loved about it?
@ fantastic style and soundtrack. Very impressive on the track with brilliant handling and roadholding but as I said be careful you don’t miss a gear and over rev. I also went for the comfort spec so you can use the rear well for luggage etc on long road trips. It’s becoming a classic so you shouldn’t lose money after purchasing !
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Porsche used to be the un-Ferrari. You could walk into a dealer, pay MSRP, and order a car how you want it. Now, unless you have been leasing a bunch of lesser models, or are willing to pay way over MSRP, you aren’t going to get an allocation for a more desirable model. I don’t think Porsche realizes just how much brand equity they have lost by behaving like jerks. There are a lot of folks like me who are enthusiasts and have the money, just don’t want to play that game. Hey Porsche execs: and the horse you rode in on.
I think that world is going to come tumbling down soon
@@JayEmmOnCarsI hope you are correct.
@@JayEmmOnCarsJames, since we are talking Porsche, what’s your opinion on the following. In the US: if you have $20-$25K, would you go for an 996 or would you spend the same money on a Cayman or Boxster?
@@JayEmmOnCars Agreed.
@@bobnovaes9363 Don't buy a boxster unless you want to spend more on engine maintenance than the price of the car.
Can’t afford 1 so painted & stickered my MX5 2 look like a GT3 RS!!! 👍🤣
Actually I have an RS but it’s just too much car for the road. So I track it. The mx5 is a great street car- in fact I like it so much I just put a deposit on the 2025. Truthfully any car with over 300 hp (that’s not too heavy) is boring because you cannot legally or safely use it on the road. The mx5 is a true driving car that you can throw around on a public road while maintaining your license
Had a 991 GT3. Sold it, got an ND3 Miata and enjoy it more 99% of the time. That 1% of the time would make me tear up though it was such a beautiful sound. So, enjoy Miata, sell it eventually, get GT3. Enjoy it, sell it, buy another Miata.
@ the rhythm of life 😀
@@keithrichards-io5dbsimilar story
Had several 911/Ferrari etc
Got ND2 club 6 months ago
By far the best drivers car in a public road ( just cames 2nd in ECOTY this month 911 ST was first )
I'm thinking of doing a similar thing to my Peugeot 106d
In 2016 I purchased my GT4 for list price, ordered it exactly how I wanted it. Was the most pleasant sales experiences. Today the dealers in my area think that there doing you a favor letting you in to just look, because your never getting a GT car, and if you want any 911 be prepared to pay there porsche tax, and dare not complain, or get lost.
Also have a 981 GT4. It's SO GOOD that I just don't see paying 50-70k more for a 991.2 GT3 with 3 pedals. The 911 guys won't ever admit it, but the Cayman GT4 (981 or 718) is 60% of a 911 with the engine in the right place. I'm sure you've watched reviews, or possibly driven, the GT4RS - anyone honest with themselves will admit it's more balanced than the 911 on track. But I digress, I believe the GT4 is a perfect car for the street. I don't want 500+hp on the street, I wanna ring the gears out a little before going to prison.
Exactly, a 981 S does it all for me
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@@Viporghini it’s the reverse actually believe it or not. 911 at least the newer cars are very stable on the track. Off road track mistakes are usually the GT4 and 4 RS drivers. GT4 and 4RS are more nervous at the limit due to shorter wheelbase and mid engine. I know it sounds like the 911 is rear biased so should be unstable except the rear actually makes the car very stable as long as you leave the electronics on. The rear is always there and never goes. You have to do something incredibly stupid to spin out.
I had the 991.1 GT3, no complaints at all - if anything, to be frank, these cars are a bit too fast for the street. Jay alluded to this as well - you have to shut the fun down before you get very far into 3rd gear, because if you get caught driving like that you'll lose your license.
I know it may seem overcautious, but if you really want the car mainly for road use, it's already overkill.
Today we have a 718 Spyder and I couldn't be happier - 6spd manual, top down, sounds marvellous and it's got most of what our GT3 had but it's much better as a street car.
That's my advice. I have some secret purchase but I won't share them. ;)
My dealer just gave me a brand new 718 4.0 GTS as a courtesy car. It is absolutely mesmerising when you rev it out. Brakes are great, too.
I borrowed one for the weekend for my birthday last year, it was fabulous. Carmine Red PDK car, felt so effortlessly good.
Please tell me the name of that dealer.
No……I don’t want to get it as a “loaner”…..I want to avoid him as a buyer.
On second thought, that’s not true. It would be fine to have a dealer that would entrust a new car to a responsible client…..mine gave me a brand new, zero miles Panamera.
What they need to do is be a bit more careful who they loan new fleet cars to…..not people that will treat a brand new 718 like it was a Hertz Rental.
@Grasshopper0122 exactly! Treat it like your own. Let it warm up properly first and using it correctly.
Are you serious ?
What kind of car do you normally drive ? Not a Porsche….or at least not a new one….ever.
There isn’t a manufacturer of high-end cars on this planet that will advise you to run a brand new model to it redline…..NONE.
Oh…..sure….there are trailer park winners of Le Mans, that will advise you to drive a brand new Porsche “ like you stole it.”…….that’s because that’s the only way they will ever drive one…..IF THEY STEAL ONE !!!
Come on pal, tell me you have more class than to run the nuts off a new 718 !!!?
@@Grasshopper0122 Agreed, the one I had only had around 200 miles on it so drove it like a granny as I didn't want to cock-up any sort of running-in procedures. Can't imagine everyone is as careful as that sadly :(
Cheap manual GT3's definitely need to be checked for massive over revs. Pretty common unfortunately. I do think the 991.2 has more torque in the 2500-3500 RPM range, the 992 is squeezed there by the ECU for reasons of the prescribed emission test driving cycle..
100% not to mention if used as intended on track they are going to have had a harder life than most garage queens. I reckon most on the market for a 'good price' are going to be pretty dicey.
After being many years on the Porsche side with various models (also racing in the GT3 Cup) I can confirm that Porsche is a perfect track day car and (lower range 911 models)a perfect daily. For the enjoyment of the longer road trips, mountain passes etc. nothing will be close to Ferrari.
I am simple man.
I see Jay, I see GT3, I click and insta like before even watching. Awesome video as always. This 991.2 GT3 in Touring spec with manual (thx god Tourings were manual only) with this exact colour (Sapphire Blue Metallic) is my dream car I will buy one day.
991.2 is my favourite gen
Safe 🤙
I've got one of these and I will NEVER and I mean NEVER EVER sell it. Thank you for a great vid. Most enjoyable! 👍🏻
Is it for sale?
I had the 991.2 as manual and now the 992 as automatic. Manual transmission is nice if you occasionally drive the car in a sporty manner, but for daily use, especially in city traffic with stop and go, the PDK version is more comfortable.
I like and appreciate manual, but the PDK gear box is amazing on the track! Sport+ and those down shifts are incredible..
I’ve had my 991.2 for two and a half years now and so far it’s spent 10 months of that back at the Porsche dealership.
It’s had the engine out 5 times for new oil tanks as they split and leak everywhere.
Also the dynamic engine mounts are a continued nightmare mine now gone through 7 of them……I was told the car only had 3 so it’s done the same ones multiple times.
I bought it with 6000 and it’s only done 12.000 miles now because I’m terrified to drive it anywhere for fear of breaking………needless to say it’s going up for sale
Highly unusual for the 4L NA, this unit has been the power plant for the 991.2 GT3, GT3 Touring GT3 RS, 992 GT3, 992 GT3 Touring, 992 GT3 RS and S/T, 718 Spyder RS and GT4 RS - its a genuine race engine that is also used in the Cup Cars. Its also in the recently released 992.2 GT3. Hate to say it, but you have been unlucky or your car has a back story to it e.g. it may have been rear ended or damaged in some other way.
Very very unlucky donkey.
60000km on mine.
AMazing. No issues at all 👍🇦🇺
Brutal. The dynamic engine mounts are nice when they work and not so much fun when they don’t.
Shit! Hope everything is covered? My 4RS with same engine seems bullet proof so far. 15000km
@@Eric-l7x I suspect his car has been shunted at some point.
Nice to see my ‘old’ car still going strong. Sold just at the wrong time before the prices shot up🙁
I presume your friend James is the 3rd owner as I sold it at the end of 2019 ‘pre-covid’ …
A Porsche 911 GT3, a sunny day in England and your cheerful voice. Good times in an Australian summer.
Honestly approaching good time to get into a 991.1 GT3 also assuming you take the time to get one with a G6 revision engine. The 10 year warranty extension are approaching the end so the prices will certainly soften some. Considering the price difference at least here in the states the 991.1 is pretty appealing.
Agreed, I was hoping Porsche would got back to Analog gauges. These cars with these darn flat panel displays are annoying.
Agree, but I wish the rev counter was black and not grey.
Excellent review, 991.2 GT3, GT3 Touring and GT3 RS are some the best Porsche have ever made - much more interesting and much more character than the 992. The 991.2 has the 4L and has proven to be bullet proof, it is the same engine with minor tweaks that is found in the 992.1 S/T, GT3, GT3 RS in slightly different states of tune. Also no OPF filters.
Everyone remembers the 997 gt3rs,.I'd like to say a hello to my forgotten friend the 997 gt2rs. It would be great to see someone try and tame that wild beast one day
Not is USA. The dealers frequently ‘overlook’ obvious damage during pre-owned inspections and markups are insane. +$250,000 USD markup was not uncommon for a great drives car valued significantly less. I’ve experienced this several times from multiple dealerships: “how much are you willing to pay?”
Porsche USA choosing to partner with car flippers and not actual drivers is a common trend. My proposal is to raise MSRP and then to not allow dealership markups to eliminate the issue.
That a official Porsche dealership can do a markup is just insane...but it's the current world of demand and ask.
You don't always have to pay ADM.... those Taycan's ain't gonna sell themselves! I reckon a new electric Macan Turbo and Taycan Turbo in your purchae history and you'll be right up in the top 50 in line for a GT allocation
@@melondoc And then you see how much money you lost on those two cars...so you could have just payed the mark up of that GT3 and don't bother with the purchase of Taycan/Macan.
@@melondoc I doubt you would be in line for a GT allocation after 3 EV purchases from P car.
@@Franzino thatsthejoke.gif :)
as a 991 and 992 driver, i can attest that what he says at 14:10 is the absolute truth. 992: much bigger numbers, but doesn't feel right. 991 feels so much more alive.
"If I were a rich man...
Ya ba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dum"
“Translate to English” cheers TH-cam 😂😂 fucking AI
😂
And this is particular theme is very very beautiful, thanks James for another spectacular presentation.
17:25 has apple CarPlay but is wired, but no android auto. Also only in 2018+ 991.2’s
In Europe at least, all that people were waiting for was for automatics to get good. Once automatics started to come with more gears, lock up torque converters and faster changes, it was all over for manuals for most people.
It does have Apple Carplay, just not wireless - you have to plug your phone in!
crazy how crappy UK market is for high end cars … everywhere else demand and prices are strong
I recently visited my dealer and wished to order a GT car. They told me I needed to buy a new panamera, Macan EV and a Turbo Taycan before they would consider putting me on a list for a new GT3.
There is a GT3 Touring on Collecting Cars “coming soon”… I showed it to my wife asking how much she thought it was, choosing from £80k / £180k or £280k. She sniggered and said… “80k obviously… it’s a little boring to look at”… therein another issue for the brand…. It’s done an “Audi” and for most punters, there is little visible difference between mundane and exotic… 🤨
Solid review…get a Mezger engine earlier version…in a manual…stay away from the Italiano basket cases, the 3rd rate Deutsche detonation rigs, the Pommie garbage tips & enjoy the car knowing you are not likely going to need a truck to get you home (ask me how I know this).
13:33 That's due to the gas particulate filter reducing torque in the newer cars.
James' videographer has balls of steel! Kudos!
I am the videographer
@@JayEmmOnCars My hat is off to you, sir!
What an intro!
The sound is heavenly music 🎶 👌🏻
Deserves a fly by like the guy who drove the rolls royce phantom gave us.😮
and that is my dream car - ill take it over the current gen
992 gt3 does drive much better. I've had multiple 991.
Not for the street, too big, but yes for track use
Of course. 992 series is not a sports car anymore. Too big, too heavy. And the RS version just an ugly mf
Someone in this threat doesn’t own a 992. Never has. Never will.
( ugly mf ?…..reeeeally ! )😮😊
@@Nord_Mann 991 is the same weight as the 992.1 and has the double wishbone front which, for me, is a total game changer. No more front end 'MacPherson' style hopping in turns while trail braking and high G apexing. Tons better over crap central London roads. It is bigger but so are all cars now. After the poor showing on the 992.2 I have ordered up a second 992.1 for Tuesday. I'm replacing my Huracan Tecnica with it and I won't regret it.
Apple carplay came standard in 2017, it is wired though. At least in US
Quite possibly one of the ultimate 911's BUT! Way beyond my means and I've been infected with the "mid engine madness" soooo if I could find some extra $ I'd go after a 981 GTS. In the meantime I'll enjoy my 08 987.1 base 5spd. 🤠
A Porsche rev range report may be a key to understanding some of manual GT3 unusual price tags. Many of those were money shifted at some point in life 😢 Very expensive to undo.
991.2 is the best modern 911 in my opinion. Also values are reasonable right now. Great for car enthusiasts, go out and drive!
Haven't seen too many be dogged in Japan outside of specialized clubs like Idlers club but this has to be the better sounding GT3 with the selection of aftermarket exhausts present
Nice spec mint GT3 991.2 currently for sale at Leeds Porsche for £119k
My absolute dream car, the best perfect proportion looking gen of 911. It truely is.
I personally think the PDK is more fun for a few reasons.
1) shorter gears. I get to go up and down and up and down none stop thru the gears with PDK a lot more often than manual. Your complain on going to jail due to tall gears is even more prevalent in the manual.
2) The horsepower wars in car industry since 2015 era has really kicked off. The manual just feels slow to me. These cars are still ridiculously fast but a lot of it does come from not losing torque for that split second during shifts. With PDK this fully naturally aspirated beauty of an engine still competes even in straight line against your much higher than 500hp+ counter parts which feels gratifying to me.
I have to admit, I was 100% in the "manual or nothing" camp until I drove a Porsche with a PDK. I never knew an automatic transmission could actually be just as fun and exciting as a manual. If only budget allowed me to have one of each!
Street driving = pdk. Track = pdk. No reason to get manual in this car, it's not made for it. With flat up shifting and blip down shifting, it's not much different from a slow sequential box.
have owned both. like the manual more for a street car. the pdk is great and would own another but only alongside a manual.
In gear accel (and thus the force you feel) is slightly quicker for the manual due to less losses and lower weight. What you gain in gear you lose during the shifts, but it certainly doesn't feel slower and in fact 60-130 times are identical or slightly in the manual's favor.
@JayEmmOnCars thank you so much for this brilliant video. Having recently escaped from a Lotus Emira I have just started a frankly bewildering journey into the world of Porsche. It's videos like this that really help lift the 911 991 dot whatever fog. 😊
What didn’t you like about the Emira?
@@jameswillard1 where to start?...Build quality, reliability, appalling customer service, it wasn't my first Lotus, but will certainly be the last.
i was looking at second hand emira with 500 miles 1 owner (60k) i rang my nearest lotus branch as i wanted a good chat about buying it and what would happen with the warranty, service plans, known issues etc. they basically said they have sold loads but not selling anymore but are happy for you to come to them for servicing. the convo lasted about 2 mins on the phone , just not interested at all. Now looking at maybe a porsche ..
i think the fact there are soo many online and some with 2 / 3 owners but still on low milage tells us all we need to know. People are buying them and selling them pretty quickly.
@@Killswitch85as I have just discovered through the Porsche Centre in Bournemouth (UK), they treat you like royalty and a two year warranty on any used car 😊
Interesting about the engine problems. I have a 991.2 Carrera T. Had to have both turbos replaced, luckily for me it was still under warranty. I wouldn't have it without a warranty. I do love it though.....
I have a 991.2 GT3 and it has Apple Car Play, you just have to connect it via a wire into the USB port under the armrest.
Yes and only the one under the armrest works for ACP, not the one in the glovebox.
@@Richard-fm1cx yes, was about to say that. Hardly a chore considering the great ergonomics. Best steering wheel in the business.
Apple car play is standard on 991.2’s albeit not wireless (well it certainly is on our Carrera T)
I just gave up on the dealers. It’s a game I won’t play having to be in the allocation club buying what I don’t want and losing money just for a “chance” to buy what I do. I showed up once to a CA dealer with cash for a certain 991 I wanted and left being told they weren’t interested. They didn’t even take my name. Only way to go is PP used.
A delightful review James, very enjoyable 😊
The way you delivered that Porsche hater Ferrari fanboy line was perfect. I laughed pretty hard.
Nice video. Even as a big Porsche fan, I might expose myself to blasphemy but… The Metzger was also Not fully bullet proof… I remember when looking at buying 997 GT3s, the 3.6 or 3.8… it was always better to budget for an engine rebuilt. You might Not need it… but you might….
They’re all fantastic cars and engine. But personally I wouldn’t risk the 991.1.
This actual car you driving James is breathtaking....❤
I drove old mercedes diesels most of my life. Then I came upon a somewhat neglected 88 MR2 Supercharged, fixed it up, and finally realized what I've been missing. I still have it, and also have an S2000 Honda. Although a 991 may be 10 years out for me, a 997 may be a test drive away from being in my garage.
I drove old bangers most of my life, then, in 2014 I came into a huge chunk of money (I won't bore you but no, I didn't win the lottery) and I literally swapped a Peugeot 106 out for a Rolls Royce Ghost. Since then I have indeed owned many types of cars but for me there is nothing that comes close to the experience of driving a Rolls Royce.
@ I still have my 79 w116 s-class as my daily driver. Even though I only paid $8k for it years ago, it always had me felling comfortable wherever I go, and whenever I get there. Saying that, I can’t imagine how nice a ride your Ghost would be.
Great video! I tried to buy that car from East London back in the summer, damn your friend! (PS - it was to replace an idenical car another London dealer brought back with premature engine failure)
I applaud those who continue to try and enjoy cars like this in the UK, but in reality unless you can go to tracks or areas such as the remote parts of the Pyrenees fairly regularly it must be painfully frustrating. It is essentially impossible to really enjoy them more than a few corners at a time unless you are not particularly fond of your driving license.
Ah, I wish the same thing would apply in Indonesia, 991.2 GT3s are my absolute favourite 911. Sadly only 4 991.2 GT3s remained here. Many others had been re-exported because they arrived without any sort of legal papers. Something Porsche Indonesia learned the hard way back in 2018.
Ahh the 991.1 GT3... Does almost nothing wrong, does everything right. Defenitely a future classic!
Jeepers, what a beast and it FLIES !!!!!!
James, assuming money is no issue, should I get this or a GT4 981? Looking for a Porsche, of that age, for mostly weekend road fun and possibly a few track days. I own multiple other supercars, plus daily drivers, definitely only want to choose between these two cars and deffo want a manual. Thanks 😃
Definitely the GT3. The engine elevates it somewhere the GT4 cannot go
@ Ok, thanks 🙏
I still like the 991.1 for the looks and a convenient excuse of having a pdk GT3. Not that I have money to back my words though.
991.1 RS has a different engine to a 991.2 GT3. The 991.1 RS has a revised 991.1 GT3 engine, with some internal fixes and a lowered Rev limit to 8600 rpm. And yes some 991.1 RS have had some issues, primarily if the oil isn’t replaced within 10,000 Km’s Max/ the specification of said oil isn’t 100% correct and poor fuel quality issues.
But both issues can be mitigated 😌
Porsche is the only manufacturer that can have cars literally catching on fire, multiple generations with catastrophic engine failure, and can still be considered the greatest manufacturer of all time. And that’s coming from someone with multiple in the garage! Brilliant marketing for sure!😅
Brilliant drivers cars, simples.
Yes and they did something to ensure that when Italians ( especially Alfa Romeo) do said thing, every journalist worth his salt, repeatedly tells us how unreliable Italian cars are and not to buy them. Imagine if Alfas had IMS or bore scoring ?😮
If you hold these “incidents” up against the number of Porsche GT cars produced and their mileage and use, I think you can safely say that these are very well build and reliable cars.
Don’t forget to add boasting reliability @10-30k miles on the clock 🤣
@@hughstultz7849 why cant alfa drivers stop talking about german cars?
I understand the RS with the faster pdk shifts were more likely to spit a cam shim out, which could work its way to the oil pump and cause engine damage due to low oil pressure. 991.2 engine while not foolproof is pretty solid, on the whole.
Re gearboxes, i think the manual is stillmthe slightly more expensive option. Gt3's are very spec sensitive, no front lift and they struggle to sell.
im starting to realise porsche is the greatest manufacturer of all time
Porsche is the only manufacturer that can have cars literally catching on fire, multiple generations with catastrophic engine failure, and can still be considered the greatest manufacturer of all time. And that’s coming from someone with multiple in the garage! Brilliant marketing for sure!
@@bananskal1921 welcome to the club
As an ex-Porsche mechanic, I can safely say that their marketing is far superior to their supposed quality and engineering…
They almost failed until they started selling SUVs.
Be careful with that statement.. Porsche sold 320,000 cars last year but it looks like they might not even make 300,000 this year, and if that happens it means Porsche sold 54 less cars every day in 2024 than they did in 2023. 👈 That's No bueno.
If your gonna get it with PDK then you might as well get an RS
The new camera is great but miss the nostalgic look, i thought the videos were from early 2000s until i saw the cars
Below-list GT3s need to be accompanied by independent specialists - would still never go near the fraud & larceny pits that are Porsche main dealers.
Love
Your vids man! I know it’s not really your thing, but it’d be great to see you on track with something like these (if the kind people are happy for you to do so) not every car or every vid and yes I could go to auto trader to watch them, but it’d still be cool!
I like the car and the nod to the classic BRM cars, but it was a strange tie-up. You have to be really ancient and an ardent Le Mans enthusiast to remember the Rover-BRM turbine car, I'm probably both, but I was only six at the time.
"Measurably it's better, subjectively I just don't like it"
Isn't that the truth with the majority of products these days
The seamless super rapid shifts are exactly what you want - no kick that unsettles the car like BMW DCT.
Yeah the BMW one was too unruly, there is a happy middle ground
What a stunning color!
What’s it named?
Prices are still way too high for any GT3’s in Canada, still…😢
991.2 does have apple car play, just FYI
Only via the plug in lead.
I see Chris Harris driving his gt3 touring around Bristol often. He treats it as a daily.
He’s loaded, (like Harry & the rest of those journalists ) , so no problem. The rest of us just drool …
Absolutely love this car and really like that spec
Gearbox, PDK stands for 'pretty damn komplicated', Porsche dealers are becoming total snobs, vetting their potential customers as much as Ferrari.
Take the awful side decals off and that would be a beautiful car.
Madness, modern 911’s with engine issues, have they not learned. My only 911 ownership was a 996 and it cracked a cylinder liner taking me out of 911 love and ownership dreaming that one day I’d re-enter with a modern, more robust design, how wrong I was…. Sad
Porsche 991.1S owner and Porsche fan;but; there's no way i'm paying what they're asking today...im simply looking elsewhere for that money. There's just too much out there for similar money. A used (insert?) AMG gtr or a used 911 s ?
My 991.2 manual certainly “kicks” at 5k and then again at 7.5k.
And I treat these shift points like different modes - up to 5k is a pretty fast normal car.
Up to 7.5k is a very fast car.
Up to the redline is an insane license loser.
If you want the noise from 2,000 RPMs all the way to 7,000 RPMs, the looks and the engagement, buy a manual F-type V6, late 2017 or 2018 model so no GPF. Switch Dynamic mode on and you will never regret. Ask me how I know 😁
Jags have terrible reliability, I know I worked for them. I remember the chief engineer saying we test cars to do 100k miles, the Germans build cars to do 250k.
@JoeKing-t7l when it comes to the V6 engine at least that's BS. People who don't understand about car maintenance usually spread that myth. Like other manufacturers, they don't include everything that may need changing in the service schedule. You gotta do your research and do preventative maintenance by replacing wear and tear items from the cooling system, pipes mostly, at 50 or sooner, change the fluids more often and they will last a lot time.
@@JWL-UK mmmmm ok. Remember to reply back when your engine goes boom.
@JoeKing-t7l 😂 I wonder how many engines you blew up for limiting maintenance to cheap fuel and oil top ups...
@@JWL-UK none, I drive a proper car…..a 911. Come back and speak to me when you can afford the servicing let alone the car.
This excites me but I own a 991.2 c4s and not ever fallen for it. Feels like its there to remind me i cant afford a 991.2 gt3 😢
The worst thing about owning a Porsche is the absulute purifyingly bad service... Porsches front office is the best place to leave a turd.. Thank God there are many specialist shops out there where Porsche lovers/admirers who know as much more about your Porsche as the Porsche engineers know it themselves.. IF the Engineers of Porsche could just ditch the front office, altogether..
Hey @jayemmoncars, let your buddy James know, if he doesn’t, that the car does have Apple CarPlay. I used to be the proud owner of this particular beauty and I can assure you it was driven properly despite my slight OCD 🤭
A 4 seater Porsche GT3? Now you tell me. How exactly does that work, by putting the engine a metre behind the rear axle? Tell me, James, is the gearbox a little like the curates egg? And, it did look as if you shifted late into 3rd and ended up in Andorra?
Got a 997.2 GT3 on my wish list to get next year
I had one for just over ten years. Depending where you live but in town or heavy traffic the clutch definitely gave me “clutch leg”! Also my wife hated the very harsh ride. Go for front lift as speed bumps and awkward gradients will become very expensive. I never jelled with the manual gearbox, found it over notchy and easy to over rev unless you’re extra careful. Great as a track car but if you want it for the road buy a Turbo.
@hpman911 that's some awesome feedback. Sounds like I won't be driving this on leg day then 😅. I'm definitely looking at comfort spec and the wife knows it will be a car just for me so if she doesn't like the ride she can go in her car 😂.
With those negatives out the way, you had it for over ten years, what were some of the things you loved about it?
@ fantastic style and soundtrack. Very impressive on the track with brilliant handling and roadholding but as I said be careful you don’t miss a gear and over rev. I also went for the comfort spec so you can use the rear well for luggage etc on long road trips. It’s becoming a classic so you shouldn’t lose money after purchasing !
Hope you review the new Vantage soon.😊
Every 911 is special.
Jay, is it safe to start looking at the 991.1 GT3? Seemingly, such a value if new engine...?
excellent video well presented
Cheapest here in oz is £214,500 ($A429,000)think I might wait a bit longer or win the Lottery 😢
I heated my front plate with a heat gun and bent it to shape
I believe chris harris just has a sticker version of his plate on the front bumper
He did but if you want to be pedantic they are not legal in the UK as they don’t meet the required spec.
@@hpman911 I imagine more legal than no plate though
@ of course 👍
Good review
‘Particularly’ bingo is strong in this one.
Unfortunately, here in the states they are still astronomically priced😔
Where do you think is safer place to park money, 991 GT3 or 997 Gt3 Rs ?
How do you think the almost $40,000 MSRP increase for 992.2 will affect user car values?