I made a mistake, the DF54 has a de-ioniser in the chute. My comments about grinds sticking to the chute were my experience with it, but I shouldn't have said it didn't have anti-static tech. Thanks to those of you who pointed this out in the comments 😉
Its very tempramental though needs constant cleaning or it just stops working after 2 or 3 grinds, I found a little paintbrush shoved up the chute with a little tickle around does the trick but it is a faff
@@Thetache if you have time+desire for handiwork look up the Espresso Outlet LLC video on removing one of the two Declumper Membranes, I did that & haven't had any clogging issues. I also slow feed, though, which might be what helps.
@@Thetache It leads to less build-up in the chute which will make it less likely for the deioniser to stop working. I still give my chute a swab about once a week though.
Too bad it only works for like 2-3 doses max, even less on finer espresso grinding. I've actually managed to clog it in my first week of use, since I did not clean the inside of the chute with a small brush. I'd give it a 2/5 in regard to the De-Ionizer, when it works it's pretty nice, but most of the time you can pretend it does not exist. There might be a way to mod it to better remove static build up.
One more correction, for UK it is never "under 200 pounds" - the prices quoted by Turin or Mii Coffee (which are not UK-based companies) are without shipping, import duties and VAT so if you add those up it will be substantially above 200 pounds. A lot better prices in UK are done by Sigma Coffee or Bella Barista and those vary around 220-239 pounds delivered.
Thanks for your video. I have a Breville dual boiler and smart grinder pro. I'm looking to buy a better grinder, and was looking at df64 gen 2, df64v or the new one df54. what would you recommend? Is the 64's worth the extra $$$? or would you recommend other model? I drink espresso 99% of the time, occasionally with milk. Cheers
I have the DF64V and, now, the DF54 and as you said in the comments the DF54 does have a de-ionizer. In my experience I haven’t found the need to use RDT with the ‘54 but definitely do with the ‘64V. It could just be my short time with the ‘54 and/or the humidity at the times I’ve used it, but I hope not!
@@pravinlnrk I don’t have both grinders in the same place and I use them with different types of espresso machines so I haven’t been able to compare them directly. I don’t think there’s a big difference for espresso, the DF64V might be a bit better for filter coffee.
Fellow Opus is a lot more cheaply built with its plastic exterior. It's also harder to set granular grind sizes for espresso due to its finger torture style secondary dial. They can both be messy if you don't keep them clean, so they're kind of equal on this front. If you're brewing espresso, I would go for the DF54 because it's easier for grinding into a shaker, rather than the Opus' annoying catch cup.
I know its not related to this product but do you plan on reviewing the philos? Im very interested in the philos, especially with the 200d burrs. I currently have the 1zpresso k-max and I'm curious how they would compare taste wise. Thanks!
Thank you for the review. Based on texture and taste would you prefer the shots that you get from this compared to a hand-grinder like the 1Zpresso J-Ultra?
It's hard to compare them directly, but I definitely prefer an electric grinder for espresso. Hand grinders for espresso are mostly just too annoying, nobody wants to spend 30 seconds grinding on one of them especially when grinding for espresso (takes longer and is much harder).
@@homecafecharlie Thank you for reply! I agree that the hand grinders are annoying for dialing in, but from a price perspective they sure are appealing! :)
Hi! I just pulled the trigger on this! If I save up enough money for an endgame grinder, which would you recommend between the DF83V and the Mazzer Philos?
@@homecafecharlie I think the experience you may have had is due to the grind chute being so close to the catch cup! Not sure if that distance is smaller with the 54 vs 64! Fantastic review as always Charlie cheers from Arizona!
Honestly if you drink flat whites etc and not pure espresso would this be wasted? If I’m mixing it with milk anyway would I notice the difference over my SGP?! Thanks
The taste of your espresso always changes the taste of your final drink. If you really on milk to cover espresso taste then your denying yourself an even better beverage.
Noticed the DREO in one shot……. Looks interesting. I have the SD40 V2 for drip coffee. Hope it will pass for espresso when my Lelit comes. I wonder if this grinder could do drip and espresso?
@@homecafecharlie I own the first gen of the nano foamer pro, It certainly delivers on what it promises but cleaning it is a pain because milk scalds on the base where the heating element meets so even after 1 batch of frothing a thin layer of scalded milk sticks to the inside base even after rinsing. Doing back to back frothing gets annoying cuz that layer of milk burns after successive shots if you don’t clean it completely. Wonder if the dreo has this issue. If not I might consider replacing my nano foamer pro.
Thanks! At best this would be a sideways move. What's the purpose of a DF64 when you have a comparable grinder? Wouldn't it be better to save up and get something more or less end game?
@@homecafecharlie Thanks very grateful for the steer. I was asking because I genuinely don’t know…and just have an itch to try a flat burr grinder…lots of posts saying the df64gen2 is a great grinder. I drink black espressos 95% of the time and the odd flat white or french press the rest. My niche is paired with breville barista pro so don’t think I can justify an end game grinder yet. Trying to work out what the next best value step for cup quality improvement is. Not sure I want/need a dual boiler or e61 (many because of use case and descaling difficulty). I always invest in good freshly roasted rested beans.
@@yogendraparmar1809 Grinder is the most important thing. Niche is good for thick syrupy espresso, but clarity is very low. A df64 Gen 2 with SSP Lab Sweet or HU burrs (depending on your preference) will get you up to very high tier espresso experience.
DF54 is OK for noise. Much less in volume and harshness than the built-in burr grinder on my Breville Barista Pro. I'm happy to grind early in the morning with it. I've had my DF54 for 4 weeks now and love it - big step up in coffee. Even my wife, who only drinks flat white noticed immediately.
No, but both are rebadging the same product from a manufacturer in china, sometimes with slightly different accessories. I've also heard both are a bit difficult to deal with for customer support, so I ordered mine from MiiCoffee but via their Amazon storefront in case I needed to return it. Mine's working great so far though. Espresso Outlet also carries it and I've heard better things about their customer service.
You should probably reword your title if you don't want to be labeled as a clickbaiter or false advertiser. It's not under £200 in the UK and nowhere near it. You need to factor shipping costs, UK import VAT and duty. After all that you're looking at £250. The UK outlets have them at £230. Come on. Don't degrade what is otherwise a good review, by claiming highly false things like that. Also why would you point UK customers to the US when there are perfectly good UK retailers out there?
Good point I didn't think about import duties as they were paid by the company when they sent it to me. I'm not advertising this machine, it's a review and I'm not affiliated with Turin FYI.
Build quality would be my greatest fear. A small motor and burr size won't be the only price point trade-offs. I've had fairly good grinders that have popped their clogs just after the warranty runs out. This looks like a classic Chinese factory job, so a long life shouldn't be expected. 🤔
It's '£183' IN AMERICA!! Not the UK where you need to factor in shipping, import duty and 20% VAT calculated on product price + shipping cost. Still great value at around £225 Which is what I got mine for with a two year guarantee and free shipping from Sigma Coffee UK
I made a mistake, the DF54 has a de-ioniser in the chute. My comments about grinds sticking to the chute were my experience with it, but I shouldn't have said it didn't have anti-static tech. Thanks to those of you who pointed this out in the comments 😉
Its very tempramental though needs constant cleaning or it just stops working after 2 or 3 grinds, I found a little paintbrush shoved up the chute with a little tickle around does the trick but it is a faff
@@Thetache if you have time+desire for handiwork look up the Espresso Outlet LLC video on removing one of the two Declumper Membranes, I did that & haven't had any clogging issues. I also slow feed, though, which might be what helps.
@@khymesound Does that solve the deioniser issue? I don't have any clogging issues just the anti static stops working unless cleaned regularly.
@@Thetache It leads to less build-up in the chute which will make it less likely for the deioniser to stop working. I still give my chute a swab about once a week though.
Too bad it only works for like 2-3 doses max, even less on finer espresso grinding. I've actually managed to clog it in my first week of use, since I did not clean the inside of the chute with a small brush.
I'd give it a 2/5 in regard to the De-Ionizer, when it works it's pretty nice, but most of the time you can pretend it does not exist.
There might be a way to mod it to better remove static build up.
One more correction, for UK it is never "under 200 pounds" - the prices quoted by Turin or Mii Coffee (which are not UK-based companies) are without shipping, import duties and VAT so if you add those up it will be substantially above 200 pounds. A lot better prices in UK are done by Sigma Coffee or Bella Barista and those vary around 220-239 pounds delivered.
in taste departemnt which is good df54 or 1zpresso k ultra? please help much appreciated for any sugestion and input
Thanks for your video.
I have a Breville dual boiler and smart grinder pro. I'm looking to buy a better grinder, and was looking at df64 gen 2, df64v or the new one df54. what would you recommend? Is the 64's worth the extra $$$? or would you recommend other model? I drink espresso 99% of the time, occasionally with milk. Cheers
I bought this after having a SGP. Well worth it, expecially after selling the Sage grinder for £100
I appreciate this review. I am expecting mine to be delivered today.
I have the DF64V and, now, the DF54 and as you said in the comments the DF54 does have a de-ionizer. In my experience I haven’t found the need to use RDT with the ‘54 but definitely do with the ‘64V. It could just be my short time with the ‘54 and/or the humidity at the times I’ve used it, but I hope not!
How would you compare both from a taste perspective?
@@pravinlnrk I don’t have both grinders in the same place and I use them with different types of espresso machines so I haven’t been able to compare them directly. I don’t think there’s a big difference for espresso, the DF64V might be a bit better for filter coffee.
@@pravinlnrk Sprometheus did comparison tests and seemed to find no significant difference in output other than speed
At 0:37 a coffee bean popped out that was hilarioius
Fellow opus vs MiiCoffee DF54??? which one is better?
Fellow Opus is a lot more cheaply built with its plastic exterior. It's also harder to set granular grind sizes for espresso due to its finger torture style secondary dial. They can both be messy if you don't keep them clean, so they're kind of equal on this front. If you're brewing espresso, I would go for the DF54 because it's easier for grinding into a shaker, rather than the Opus' annoying catch cup.
How would the DF54 compare to the Baratza Virtuoso+?
Why not have a separate cup/container to blow retention out with the bellows?
I know its not related to this product but do you plan on reviewing the philos? Im very interested in the philos, especially with the 200d burrs. I currently have the 1zpresso k-max and I'm curious how they would compare taste wise. Thanks!
It's coming very soon!
Thank you for the review. Based on texture and taste would you prefer the shots that you get from this compared to a hand-grinder like the 1Zpresso J-Ultra?
It's hard to compare them directly, but I definitely prefer an electric grinder for espresso. Hand grinders for espresso are mostly just too annoying, nobody wants to spend 30 seconds grinding on one of them especially when grinding for espresso (takes longer and is much harder).
@@homecafecharlie Thank you for reply! I agree that the hand grinders are annoying for dialing in, but from a price perspective they sure are appealing! :)
Hi! I just pulled the trigger on this! If I save up enough money for an endgame grinder, which would you recommend between the DF83V and the Mazzer Philos?
Video coming out about this soon
What’s the top 2 single dose grinders? What’s your favorite? Thanks
Doesn't the DF54 have a Plasma Generator? Shouldn't the static be comparable to the DF64 Gen 2 which does very well with this?
You're right! I'll add a pinned comment
@@homecafecharlie I think the experience you may have had is due to the grind chute being so close to the catch cup! Not sure if that distance is smaller with the 54 vs 64! Fantastic review as always Charlie cheers from Arizona!
Honestly if you drink flat whites etc and not pure espresso would this be wasted? If I’m mixing it with milk anyway would I notice the difference over my SGP?! Thanks
The taste of your espresso always changes the taste of your final drink. If you really on milk to cover espresso taste then your denying yourself an even better beverage.
@ have got one on pre-order 👌🏻
Noticed the DREO in one shot……. Looks interesting. I have the SD40 V2 for drip coffee. Hope it will pass for espresso when my Lelit comes. I wonder if this grinder could do drip and espresso?
Yeah I tested the Dreo, makes good milkfoam! I was surprised 😉
@@homecafecharlienice! Subscribed. Enjoyed the video.
@@homecafecharlie I own the first gen of the nano foamer pro, It certainly delivers on what it promises but cleaning it is a pain because milk scalds on the base where the heating element meets so even after 1 batch of frothing a thin layer of scalded milk sticks to the inside base even after rinsing. Doing back to back frothing gets annoying cuz that layer of milk burns after successive shots if you don’t clean it completely. Wonder if the dreo has this issue. If not I might consider replacing my nano foamer pro.
I have a niche zero and am considering getting a df64 gen2 as well…how does the df54 compare to the 64?
Love your videos btw!
Thanks! At best this would be a sideways move. What's the purpose of a DF64 when you have a comparable grinder? Wouldn't it be better to save up and get something more or less end game?
@@homecafecharlie Thanks very grateful for the steer. I was asking because I genuinely don’t know…and just have an itch to try a flat burr grinder…lots of posts saying the df64gen2 is a great grinder. I drink black espressos 95% of the time and the odd flat white or french press the rest. My niche is paired with breville barista pro so don’t think I can justify an end game grinder yet. Trying to work out what the next best value step for cup quality improvement is. Not sure I want/need a dual boiler or e61 (many because of use case and descaling difficulty). I always invest in good freshly roasted rested beans.
@@yogendraparmar1809 Grinder is the most important thing. Niche is good for thick syrupy espresso, but clarity is very low. A df64 Gen 2 with SSP Lab Sweet or HU burrs (depending on your preference) will get you up to very high tier espresso experience.
does anyone know about noise ? i had a cheap flat bur grinder and it was a nightmare, i could not use it in the morning, everyone wakes up....
DF54 is OK for noise.
Much less in volume and harshness than the built-in burr grinder on my Breville Barista Pro.
I'm happy to grind early in the morning with it.
I've had my DF54 for 4 weeks now and love it - big step up in coffee. Even my wife, who only drinks flat white noticed immediately.
I'm curious to see your review on the Philos as I see it sneakily in the intro :)
Soon, very soon 😎
Should I get this along with my Niche Zero?
@@T3rm3nator no. Sideways move at best.
Is Turin the same company as Mii Coffee? I see both selling this.
No, but both are rebadging the same product from a manufacturer in china, sometimes with slightly different accessories. I've also heard both are a bit difficult to deal with for customer support, so I ordered mine from MiiCoffee but via their Amazon storefront in case I needed to return it. Mine's working great so far though.
Espresso Outlet also carries it and I've heard better things about their customer service.
@@khymesoundthanks for that. I would buy from Amazon but they’ve priced it at £239 whereas their website is £175.
Please try the DM47
I just got this grinder and I have static at coarser grinds for drip, but for finer grinds it piles very nicely.
The catch? Badly missaligned burrs!
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You should probably reword your title if you don't want to be labeled as a clickbaiter or false advertiser. It's not under £200 in the UK and nowhere near it. You need to factor shipping costs, UK import VAT and duty. After all that you're looking at £250. The UK outlets have them at £230.
Come on. Don't degrade what is otherwise a good review, by claiming highly false things like that. Also why would you point UK customers to the US when there are perfectly good UK retailers out there?
Good point I didn't think about import duties as they were paid by the company when they sent it to me. I'm not advertising this machine, it's a review and I'm not affiliated with Turin FYI.
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Build quality would be my greatest fear. A small motor and burr size won't be the only price point trade-offs. I've had fairly good grinders that have popped their clogs just after the warranty runs out. This looks like a classic Chinese factory job, so a long life shouldn't be expected. 🤔
I've had 4 Turin grinders now and nothing has gone wrong with any of them yet!
It's '£183' IN AMERICA!!
Not the UK where you need to factor in shipping, import duty and 20% VAT calculated on product price + shipping cost.
Still great value at around £225
Which is what I got mine for with a two year guarantee and free shipping from Sigma Coffee UK
@@sohosteveuk yeah that's still great value. Nothing else like it at that price