I made a mistake, the DF54 has a de-ioniser in the chute. My comments about grinds sticking to the chute were my experience with it, but I shouldn't have said it didn't have anti-static tech. Thanks to those of you who pointed this out in the comments 😉
Its very tempramental though needs constant cleaning or it just stops working after 2 or 3 grinds, I found a little paintbrush shoved up the chute with a little tickle around does the trick but it is a faff
@@Thetache if you have time+desire for handiwork look up the Espresso Outlet LLC video on removing one of the two Declumper Membranes, I did that & haven't had any clogging issues. I also slow feed, though, which might be what helps.
@@Thetache It leads to less build-up in the chute which will make it less likely for the deioniser to stop working. I still give my chute a swab about once a week though.
One more correction, for UK it is never "under 200 pounds" - the prices quoted by Turin or Mii Coffee (which are not UK-based companies) are without shipping, import duties and VAT so if you add those up it will be substantially above 200 pounds. A lot better prices in UK are done by Sigma Coffee or Bella Barista and those vary around 220-239 pounds delivered.
Hi! I just pulled the trigger on this! If I save up enough money for an endgame grinder, which would you recommend between the DF83V and the Mazzer Philos?
I have the DF64V and, now, the DF54 and as you said in the comments the DF54 does have a de-ionizer. In my experience I haven’t found the need to use RDT with the ‘54 but definitely do with the ‘64V. It could just be my short time with the ‘54 and/or the humidity at the times I’ve used it, but I hope not!
@@pravinlnrk I don’t have both grinders in the same place and I use them with different types of espresso machines so I haven’t been able to compare them directly. I don’t think there’s a big difference for espresso, the DF64V might be a bit better for filter coffee.
Thank you for the review. Based on texture and taste would you prefer the shots that you get from this compared to a hand-grinder like the 1Zpresso J-Ultra?
It's hard to compare them directly, but I definitely prefer an electric grinder for espresso. Hand grinders for espresso are mostly just too annoying, nobody wants to spend 30 seconds grinding on one of them especially when grinding for espresso (takes longer and is much harder).
@@homecafecharlie Thank you for reply! I agree that the hand grinders are annoying for dialing in, but from a price perspective they sure are appealing! :)
I know its not related to this product but do you plan on reviewing the philos? Im very interested in the philos, especially with the 200d burrs. I currently have the 1zpresso k-max and I'm curious how they would compare taste wise. Thanks!
Thanks! At best this would be a sideways move. What's the purpose of a DF64 when you have a comparable grinder? Wouldn't it be better to save up and get something more or less end game?
@@homecafecharlie Thanks very grateful for the steer. I was asking because I genuinely don’t know…and just have an itch to try a flat burr grinder…lots of posts saying the df64gen2 is a great grinder. I drink black espressos 95% of the time and the odd flat white or french press the rest. My niche is paired with breville barista pro so don’t think I can justify an end game grinder yet. Trying to work out what the next best value step for cup quality improvement is. Not sure I want/need a dual boiler or e61 (many because of use case and descaling difficulty). I always invest in good freshly roasted rested beans.
@@yogendraparmar1809 Grinder is the most important thing. Niche is good for thick syrupy espresso, but clarity is very low. A df64 Gen 2 with SSP Lab Sweet or HU burrs (depending on your preference) will get you up to very high tier espresso experience.
@@homecafecharlie I think the experience you may have had is due to the grind chute being so close to the catch cup! Not sure if that distance is smaller with the 54 vs 64! Fantastic review as always Charlie cheers from Arizona!
Noticed the DREO in one shot……. Looks interesting. I have the SD40 V2 for drip coffee. Hope it will pass for espresso when my Lelit comes. I wonder if this grinder could do drip and espresso?
@@homecafecharlie I own the first gen of the nano foamer pro, It certainly delivers on what it promises but cleaning it is a pain because milk scalds on the base where the heating element meets so even after 1 batch of frothing a thin layer of scalded milk sticks to the inside base even after rinsing. Doing back to back frothing gets annoying cuz that layer of milk burns after successive shots if you don’t clean it completely. Wonder if the dreo has this issue. If not I might consider replacing my nano foamer pro.
No, but both are rebadging the same product from a manufacturer in china, sometimes with slightly different accessories. I've also heard both are a bit difficult to deal with for customer support, so I ordered mine from MiiCoffee but via their Amazon storefront in case I needed to return it. Mine's working great so far though. Espresso Outlet also carries it and I've heard better things about their customer service.
Build quality would be my greatest fear. A small motor and burr size won't be the only price point trade-offs. I've had fairly good grinders that have popped their clogs just after the warranty runs out. This looks like a classic Chinese factory job, so a long life shouldn't be expected. 🤔
You should probably reword your title if you don't want to be labeled as a clickbaiter or false advertiser. It's not under £200 in the UK and nowhere near it. You need to factor shipping costs, UK import VAT and duty. After all that you're looking at £250. The UK outlets have them at £230. Come on. Don't degrade what is otherwise a good review, by claiming highly false things like that. Also why would you point UK customers to the US when there are perfectly good UK retailers out there?
Good point I didn't think about import duties as they were paid by the company when they sent it to me. I'm not advertising this machine, it's a review and I'm not affiliated with Turin FYI.
It's '£183' IN AMERICA!! Not the UK where you need to factor in shipping, import duty and 20% VAT calculated on product price + shipping cost. Still great value at around £225 Which is what I got mine for with a two year guarantee and free shipping from Sigma Coffee UK
I made a mistake, the DF54 has a de-ioniser in the chute. My comments about grinds sticking to the chute were my experience with it, but I shouldn't have said it didn't have anti-static tech. Thanks to those of you who pointed this out in the comments 😉
Its very tempramental though needs constant cleaning or it just stops working after 2 or 3 grinds, I found a little paintbrush shoved up the chute with a little tickle around does the trick but it is a faff
@@Thetache if you have time+desire for handiwork look up the Espresso Outlet LLC video on removing one of the two Declumper Membranes, I did that & haven't had any clogging issues. I also slow feed, though, which might be what helps.
@@khymesound Does that solve the deioniser issue? I don't have any clogging issues just the anti static stops working unless cleaned regularly.
@@Thetache It leads to less build-up in the chute which will make it less likely for the deioniser to stop working. I still give my chute a swab about once a week though.
One more correction, for UK it is never "under 200 pounds" - the prices quoted by Turin or Mii Coffee (which are not UK-based companies) are without shipping, import duties and VAT so if you add those up it will be substantially above 200 pounds. A lot better prices in UK are done by Sigma Coffee or Bella Barista and those vary around 220-239 pounds delivered.
I appreciate this review. I am expecting mine to be delivered today.
Fellow opus vs MiiCoffee DF54??? which one is better?
Hi! I just pulled the trigger on this! If I save up enough money for an endgame grinder, which would you recommend between the DF83V and the Mazzer Philos?
Video coming out about this soon
I have the DF64V and, now, the DF54 and as you said in the comments the DF54 does have a de-ionizer. In my experience I haven’t found the need to use RDT with the ‘54 but definitely do with the ‘64V. It could just be my short time with the ‘54 and/or the humidity at the times I’ve used it, but I hope not!
How would you compare both from a taste perspective?
@@pravinlnrk I don’t have both grinders in the same place and I use them with different types of espresso machines so I haven’t been able to compare them directly. I don’t think there’s a big difference for espresso, the DF64V might be a bit better for filter coffee.
@@pravinlnrk Sprometheus did comparison tests and seemed to find no significant difference in output other than speed
Thank you for the review. Based on texture and taste would you prefer the shots that you get from this compared to a hand-grinder like the 1Zpresso J-Ultra?
It's hard to compare them directly, but I definitely prefer an electric grinder for espresso. Hand grinders for espresso are mostly just too annoying, nobody wants to spend 30 seconds grinding on one of them especially when grinding for espresso (takes longer and is much harder).
@@homecafecharlie Thank you for reply! I agree that the hand grinders are annoying for dialing in, but from a price perspective they sure are appealing! :)
Why not have a separate cup/container to blow retention out with the bellows?
What’s the top 2 single dose grinders? What’s your favorite? Thanks
I'm curious to see your review on the Philos as I see it sneakily in the intro :)
Soon, very soon 😎
I know its not related to this product but do you plan on reviewing the philos? Im very interested in the philos, especially with the 200d burrs. I currently have the 1zpresso k-max and I'm curious how they would compare taste wise. Thanks!
It's coming very soon!
I have a niche zero and am considering getting a df64 gen2 as well…how does the df54 compare to the 64?
Love your videos btw!
Thanks! At best this would be a sideways move. What's the purpose of a DF64 when you have a comparable grinder? Wouldn't it be better to save up and get something more or less end game?
@@homecafecharlie Thanks very grateful for the steer. I was asking because I genuinely don’t know…and just have an itch to try a flat burr grinder…lots of posts saying the df64gen2 is a great grinder. I drink black espressos 95% of the time and the odd flat white or french press the rest. My niche is paired with breville barista pro so don’t think I can justify an end game grinder yet. Trying to work out what the next best value step for cup quality improvement is. Not sure I want/need a dual boiler or e61 (many because of use case and descaling difficulty). I always invest in good freshly roasted rested beans.
@@yogendraparmar1809 Grinder is the most important thing. Niche is good for thick syrupy espresso, but clarity is very low. A df64 Gen 2 with SSP Lab Sweet or HU burrs (depending on your preference) will get you up to very high tier espresso experience.
Should I get this along with my Niche Zero?
@@T3rm3nator no. Sideways move at best.
Doesn't the DF54 have a Plasma Generator? Shouldn't the static be comparable to the DF64 Gen 2 which does very well with this?
You're right! I'll add a pinned comment
@@homecafecharlie I think the experience you may have had is due to the grind chute being so close to the catch cup! Not sure if that distance is smaller with the 54 vs 64! Fantastic review as always Charlie cheers from Arizona!
I just got this grinder and I have static at coarser grinds for drip, but for finer grinds it piles very nicely.
Noticed the DREO in one shot……. Looks interesting. I have the SD40 V2 for drip coffee. Hope it will pass for espresso when my Lelit comes. I wonder if this grinder could do drip and espresso?
Yeah I tested the Dreo, makes good milkfoam! I was surprised 😉
@@homecafecharlienice! Subscribed. Enjoyed the video.
@@homecafecharlie I own the first gen of the nano foamer pro, It certainly delivers on what it promises but cleaning it is a pain because milk scalds on the base where the heating element meets so even after 1 batch of frothing a thin layer of scalded milk sticks to the inside base even after rinsing. Doing back to back frothing gets annoying cuz that layer of milk burns after successive shots if you don’t clean it completely. Wonder if the dreo has this issue. If not I might consider replacing my nano foamer pro.
Is Turin the same company as Mii Coffee? I see both selling this.
No, but both are rebadging the same product from a manufacturer in china, sometimes with slightly different accessories. I've also heard both are a bit difficult to deal with for customer support, so I ordered mine from MiiCoffee but via their Amazon storefront in case I needed to return it. Mine's working great so far though.
Espresso Outlet also carries it and I've heard better things about their customer service.
@@khymesoundthanks for that. I would buy from Amazon but they’ve priced it at £239 whereas their website is £175.
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Build quality would be my greatest fear. A small motor and burr size won't be the only price point trade-offs. I've had fairly good grinders that have popped their clogs just after the warranty runs out. This looks like a classic Chinese factory job, so a long life shouldn't be expected. 🤔
I've had 4 Turin grinders now and nothing has gone wrong with any of them yet!
You should probably reword your title if you don't want to be labeled as a clickbaiter or false advertiser. It's not under £200 in the UK and nowhere near it. You need to factor shipping costs, UK import VAT and duty. After all that you're looking at £250. The UK outlets have them at £230.
Come on. Don't degrade what is otherwise a good review, by claiming highly false things like that. Also why would you point UK customers to the US when there are perfectly good UK retailers out there?
Good point I didn't think about import duties as they were paid by the company when they sent it to me. I'm not advertising this machine, it's a review and I'm not affiliated with Turin FYI.
It's '£183' IN AMERICA!!
Not the UK where you need to factor in shipping, import duty and 20% VAT calculated on product price + shipping cost.
Still great value at around £225
Which is what I got mine for with a two year guarantee and free shipping from Sigma Coffee UK
@@sohosteveuk yeah that's still great value. Nothing else like it at that price