I was in a small town in southern Scotland when I heard Joy Division. Life-changing music, as a confused teenager in a nowhere place, their music affected me. A unique band who have only happened at that time. The greatest British band of all. They went deeper than anyone else could into an emotional territory that no-one else could manage to reach into. You can feel it. Still.
Alicia Young, I had very similar feelings about Joy Division /New Order. I lived in a small New England town in the States but had an awesome Ivy League College Radio Station where I discovered Joy Division as a very solitary teen. It meant the world to me to have something in JD that reached into previously uncharted places emotionally that I could truly call my own and relate to. And I still feel that way today with JD and New Order,especially heightened in modern times with the release of the Get Ready lp. The beauty of it became (as the decades passed in my life) that you could call it your own music just for you and many people around the world could call it their own simultaneously and it really was. Closer still welcomes me listening to it earlier tonight. Growing up in the late 70s and early 80s I truly feel like most of the really good music of the 80s was birthed by Joy Division. Still.
I'm about a decade younger than the band, but I recall my delight as a young kid at finding a bootleg copy of the Warsaw album with just plain packaging and a sheet listing the tracks produced on an early photocopier. Later I bought Unknown Pleasures and managed to get a bootleg Live at Eindhoven cassette. All this as a clueless child in Melbourne, about as far from Manchester as you can get, but I was entranced by the music of this strange band from the other side of the world.
Would someone please explain to me why I already know all of it but never get tired of hearing it? The story of Joy Division is just amazing, almost as amazing as their music. I said "almost", don't bash me on that ;)
Thank you for this! Words cannot convey how important these two bands are, to me. I’ve been a fan, ever since the first time I heard New Order, as a 14 year old (in 1985). Shortly thereafter, I had my first exposure to Joy Division and that was the moment that I realized, everything I knew up to that point was bullshit. It’s no coincidence that thousands of Midwestern Rust Belt kids, like myself, connected with Joy Division.
Manchester, the epicentre of the ultimate indie bands to be formed in the history of music. Smiths, Stone Roses, Oasis, Doves etc etc, but these guys were the "standard bearers" who initiated this rich vein. Still revelant to this day !
I was a tad late when I first played Unknown Pleasures. I was 15 in 1982 and had in my collection of vinyl Movement from New Order and a good friend of mine told me the story of the band before New Order.....Joy Division and the tragedy that surrounded it. The next day I drove to my local record store and searched for Unknown Pleasures and found out they didn't have any copies and it would take months before they even had a chance of getting any. I was devastated ( more like pissed because I had no good outlet to express my feelings ) So I waited. In the mean time I would go out to the teen clubs that surrounded the local university and got my first taste of Joy Division when the DJ played Transmissions. It was every thing that was swimming in my head and taking up space in my thoughts when there was no sound. A lifetime relationship began after that evening and I haven't stopped the music since.
It took 6 or more years in my central IL hometown to get my first JD vinyl. Having read J. Poet's Creem magazine review of Still, JD was always on my wish list. Upon finally hearing them in 1988, I was hooked.
Perfect. I love the personal insights, especially Hooky talking about the 1st time they played Transmission. Obviously it was a moment he will never forget! Roll on episode 2
I had a friend growing up named Jorge who was Portugal and every summer visited with his family. When he returned he usually had stories about the trip but in the summer of 1980 he brought back with him ( we were both 15 years old in 1980 ) a cassette. His cousin had played the cassette of a new band she liked that a friend that went to college in Manchester England sent to her. The cassette was a panasonic black and white cassette that you can record on. He presses play and I just knew i was listening to some one who was trying to tell me something and i better listen. As a future musician , musically it was not of my current world. New Order became my soundtrack to the entire 1980's decade, seriously. I saw New Order for the 1st time in 1983 in NYC at the Paradise Garage in the summer, saw them 5 more times until 2003. They are part of my DNA. Thanks.
It’s really good listening to the story through the bands own words and with no video it allows you to imagine the atmosphere of the events they’re describing, helped along by the audio snippets. Can’t wait for part 2
It was like catching a wave at Nazare Portugal for me, such a massive emotion I didn't know I wanted in my life but once it swelled up and I immediately caught it, I never wanted it to leave.
Like most teenagers I always felt alone, disjointed and not in the great run of everyone else. I first heard Blue Monday in late 1983, then Movement and then Procession. It was as if my nebulous ether was coalescing and I didn't feel quite so out of place, or more to the point, I no longer cared. This made sense and it appealed to me like nothing else, nothing came even close. This was before the internet so information was valuable as it was hard to come by but I then got Still and Unknown Pleasures. UP was my first tattoo on my right arm and the Procession 7" was my second, on my left arm and I will carry both to the grave with pride. My life has been quite a mixture of various sources and I have enjoyed it immensely, not least by the discovery made back in '83.
One of the first bands that caught my attention,not because my musical taste was perfect (i was 13 or 14), it was one of few cassettes that i recorded from radio show. I was listening to UNKNOWN PLEASURES for two years thinking it is CLOSER. I was living in a small village (still living there) in socialist Yugoslavia,we were well informed about new music,but it was hard to get some stuff. We could buy some records in regular record shops (STRANGLERS,CLASH,THE JAM,ELVIS COSTELLO,LENE LOVICH,BUZZCOCKS,STIFF LITTLE FINGERS,VIBRATORS,EDDIE AND THE HOT RODS,MADNESS,SPECIALS and so on...) but not JOY DIVISION. Lucky for me,Italy was only about 100 km far,so Triest was our biggest record shop. And mail orders from the west. Good times,every new record was exciting (and expensive),i knew every song. Now it's easy to get new stuff,all you need is a smartphone.
There is a ton of electronic manipulation. I learned of this in An Ideal For Living book. Their RCA demo disc is very revealing with regards to Ian's voice and how technology enhanced it in JD.
When I found out New Orders members were from Joy Division I nearly had a poop accident. I love both of them and never knew they were connected so tightly.
Barely a day goes by nowadays of NOT hearing the actual record in some shape or form, at least in the UK. And If not the original on the radio, then recent BT ads, Call of Duty Cold War, etc.., any ads trying to evoke the 80's. I never get tired of hearing it, though as a fan, I do roll my eyes slightly. Having said that, I genuinely hope they are all making a few quid out of it finally, and it's not going into the void known as FAC51! As far as I'm concerned though JD/NO - Best band in the world, ever.
Along with The Smiths 'How soon is now', Vision 'Lucifer's Friend'. I saw New Order as Sheffield Roxy way back when, what a night! Sadly I never got to see Joy Division.
Because it was a very mediocre album, and more a collection of songs from a new band trying to find itself, than a true great LP, and it was never actually released - (Though all the songs from it appeared on various compilations in later years). In fact, not allowing the release of Warsaw was one of the best moves Rob Gretton ever made. You only get one chance to make a debut album, and history shows that Unknown Pleasures was one of the greatest ever. Warsaw would not have been.
I remember listening to it as the village elders drummed it out on goat skinned drums fashioned from bamboo. Fucking top night, the Ayahuasca was blinding 👌
Now can they please make a new album? Maybe even release it on CD this time? It's laughable that their new single "Be a Rebel" is available on Vinyl and as a download, but not on CD. 10 years from now and people will be all retro for CDs and nobody will care about bloody vinyl anymore...
You'll be happy to know that Be a Rebel is coming out on CD soon (albeit very late after the initial release of the song). Btw thanks for posting all of the NO songs you've posted - so many of them are hard to find in such high quality
@@raph6931 Hey, that is good news. And thank you for the kind words. I upload all these songs because some of them are very rare and not available on any streaming service.
That's weird, as I didn't get any adverts. I'm just a regular TH-cam user in the UK. Other podcasts on TH-cam I've listened to have ads, but not this one.
I remember party crashing in the late '80s, just to snatch some chips and putting on a Joy Division tape instead of the Madonna/Milli Vanilli/whatever they were playing. And the poor blokes looking at us as if we were aliens. That was fun :D
👍👌🤗😁 Imagine . . . in this day n' age of a time of not wishing to divulge one's true age, that there are an unsurmountable amount of us *declaring proudly and loudly that we/me/you* *were in fact there glued to any and all recordings made available from the first year* ... even possibly when *WARSAW* was the originating name.
Definitive? Nah, not by a long way. Don't even start with the Sex Pistols gig! BTW would recommend Steven's autobiography Record, Play, Pause, especially on audiobook.
Wow what a glossed over the first episode. Joy Division music ringing loudly in the background. How about telling people for the first entire year the band was together they were called Warsaw And they made a fairly possible punk rock album. It would have been nice to hear a lot of the albums music in the first episode. Because they did not happen upon the Joy Division sound until about a year after they had been going when Martin Hannah got a hold of them. And slowed them down in tempo and added a whole bunch of special effects and they made a fairly possible punk rock album. It would have been nice to hear a lot of the albums music in the first episode. Because they did not happen upon the joy division sound until about a year after they had been going when Martin Hannah got a hold of them. And slowed them down in tempo and added a whole bunch of special effects. Like a science-fiction movie background noises. Also this first episode completely missed missed that near obsession with Nazi paraphernalia and imagery which appeared on the first EP an ideal for living. Which had to have its cover photo changed because even for punk rock it was too m. uch to have a Nazi German drummer boyOn the cover. I could also talk a little bit about Macclesfield well the singer and a drummer were from. I’m sure not all the action happened in abandoned warehouses in Manchester. I always find it amusing how people like to have a revisionist history rather than the real deal that actually happened at the time
Depois q o cara morreu apareceu um monte de gente querendo ajudar , hipócritas do crl ,quem matou esse cara foram os caras q estavam perto dele ,porra mano amo New order mas o Yan morreu por falta de atenção
I was in a small town in southern Scotland when I heard Joy Division. Life-changing music, as a confused teenager in a nowhere place, their music affected me. A unique band who have only happened at that time. The greatest British band of all. They went deeper than anyone else could into an emotional territory that no-one else could manage to reach into. You can feel it. Still.
Lived outside of Chicago but man that is spot on to where I was at that time. To me Unknown Pleasures is the greatest debut album of all time.
Alicia Young, I had very similar feelings about Joy Division /New Order. I lived in a small New England town in the States but had an awesome Ivy League College Radio Station where I discovered Joy Division as a very solitary teen. It meant the world to me to have something in JD that reached into previously uncharted places emotionally that I could truly call my own and relate to. And I still feel that way today with JD and New Order,especially heightened in modern times with the release of the Get Ready lp. The beauty of it became (as the decades passed in my life) that you could call it your own music just for you and many people around the world could call it their own simultaneously and it really was. Closer still welcomes me listening to it earlier tonight.
Growing up in the late 70s and early 80s I truly feel like most of the really good music of the 80s was birthed by Joy Division. Still.
It seems to have happened to some special kids in 80's including me...
@@moofoogee The music of JD has saved countless lives. Knowing one is not alone is immeasurable.
I’m not English but the English band Gong did that for me. Will always love it
I'm about a decade younger than the band, but I recall my delight as a young kid at finding a bootleg copy of the Warsaw album with just plain packaging and a sheet listing the tracks produced on an early photocopier. Later I bought Unknown Pleasures and managed to get a bootleg Live at Eindhoven cassette. All this as a clueless child in Melbourne, about as far from Manchester as you can get, but I was entranced by the music of this strange band from the other side of the world.
Would someone please explain to me why I already know all of it but never get tired of hearing it? The story of Joy Division is just amazing, almost as amazing as their music.
I said "almost", don't bash me on that ;)
I've read almost everything about them for 32 years or so and I still don't get tired of it. I want to get to Steve Morris's books eventually.
Because they're a particularly special group.
Well you won’t learn much about the entire year they spent being Warsaw from this first episode.
its about life
Thank you for this! Words cannot convey how important these two bands are, to me. I’ve been a fan, ever since the first time I heard New Order, as a 14 year old (in 1985). Shortly thereafter, I had my first exposure to Joy Division and that was the moment that I realized, everything I knew up to that point was bullshit. It’s no coincidence that thousands of Midwestern Rust Belt kids, like myself, connected with Joy Division.
can't wait to see new order live once this is all over
Manchester, the epicentre of the ultimate indie bands to be formed in the history of music.
Smiths, Stone Roses, Oasis, Doves etc etc, but these guys were the "standard bearers" who initiated this rich vein.
Still revelant to this day !
You'll be interested in the forthcoming graphic novel, 'ATMOSPHERE: A Graphic Novel About The Post-Punk Manchester Music Scene'.
The Chameleons
Don't forget The Fall!
...Buzzcocks, Mondays, James...
@@nicolaspoirot1728 great group!
I was a tad late when I first played Unknown Pleasures. I was 15 in 1982 and had in my collection of vinyl Movement from New Order and a good friend of mine told me the story of the band before New Order.....Joy Division and the tragedy that surrounded it. The next day I drove to my local record store and searched for Unknown Pleasures and found out they didn't have any copies and it would take months before they even had a chance of getting any. I was devastated ( more like pissed because I had no good outlet to express my feelings ) So I waited. In the mean time I would go out to the teen clubs that surrounded the local university and got my first taste of Joy Division when the DJ played Transmissions. It was every thing that was swimming in my head and taking up space in my thoughts when there was no sound. A lifetime relationship began after that evening and I haven't stopped the music since.
It took 6 or more years in my central IL hometown to get my first JD vinyl. Having read J. Poet's Creem magazine review of Still, JD was always on my wish list. Upon finally hearing them in 1988, I was hooked.
This is amazing and truly special, I’ve never heard Ian speak before.
Perfect. I love the personal insights, especially Hooky talking about the 1st time they played Transmission. Obviously it was a moment he will never forget! Roll on episode 2
I had a friend growing up named Jorge who was Portugal and every summer visited with his family. When he returned he usually had stories about the trip but in the summer of 1980 he brought back with him ( we were both 15 years old in 1980 ) a cassette. His cousin had played the cassette of a new band she liked that a friend that went to college in Manchester England sent to her. The cassette was a panasonic black and white cassette that you can record on. He presses play and I just knew i was listening to some one who was trying to tell me something and i better listen. As a future musician , musically it was not of my current world. New Order became my soundtrack to the entire 1980's decade, seriously. I saw New Order for the 1st time in 1983 in NYC at the Paradise Garage in the summer, saw them 5 more times until 2003. They are part of my DNA. Thanks.
I love JD and NO, thanks for everything. I pray I can take my teenage daughter to a show one day.
It’s really good listening to the story through the bands own words and with no video it allows you to imagine the atmosphere of the events they’re describing, helped along by the audio snippets. Can’t wait for part 2
Coincidentally I just watched Control today. And this popped up in my feed. Perfect.
Watched it 3 times brilliant movie!
The greatest band ever on a podcast, this should be good☕️😃
Greatest Podcast about arguably the greatest band(s) ever...
It was like catching a wave at Nazare Portugal for me, such a massive emotion I didn't know I wanted in my life but once it swelled up and I immediately caught it, I never wanted it to leave.
Was only one Ian Curtis. A bloody poet genius!
This sounds fantastic. Will definitely listen to this tomorrow.
A story of one great band developing into another great band. Music to listen to and enjoy, long may they live on recording their superb songs.
Great to hear new interviews of the legend Ian Curtis .thanks... I have that 'stony faced ian smoking a cigatette' photo as a tattoo
Like most teenagers I always felt alone, disjointed and not in the great run of everyone else. I first heard Blue Monday in late 1983, then Movement and then Procession. It was as if my nebulous ether was coalescing and I didn't feel quite so out of place, or more to the point, I no longer cared. This made sense and it appealed to me like nothing else, nothing came even close.
This was before the internet so information was valuable as it was hard to come by but I then got Still and Unknown Pleasures. UP was my first tattoo on my right arm and the Procession 7" was my second, on my left arm and I will carry both to the grave with pride. My life has been quite a mixture of various sources and I have enjoyed it immensely, not least by the discovery made back in '83.
Go to 1:51 to skip the spoilers/teaser trailer and start the episode proper #nolovelost
53 in few days... Great remember ! THX
One of the first bands that caught my attention,not because my musical taste was perfect (i was 13 or 14), it was one of few cassettes that i recorded from radio show. I was listening to UNKNOWN PLEASURES for two years thinking it is CLOSER. I was living in a small village (still living there) in socialist Yugoslavia,we were well informed about new music,but it was hard to get some stuff. We could buy some records in regular record shops (STRANGLERS,CLASH,THE JAM,ELVIS COSTELLO,LENE LOVICH,BUZZCOCKS,STIFF LITTLE FINGERS,VIBRATORS,EDDIE AND THE HOT RODS,MADNESS,SPECIALS and so on...) but not JOY DIVISION. Lucky for me,Italy was only about 100 km far,so Triest was our biggest record shop. And mail orders from the west. Good times,every new record was exciting (and expensive),i knew every song. Now it's easy to get new stuff,all you need is a smartphone.
" You caught me at a bad time , so why don't you ..piss off " 🎶
This is good! I finally tuned in to this, been meaning to for a while being a lifelong JD & NO lover. Gonna be better than 24 Hour Party People!
Fantastic thanks
Wow this is awesome!
been buzzing for this all day ❤️❤️
Спасибо! Приятно послушать из первых уст, о том, как все начиналось.
Always intrigued by how Ian’s speaking voice sounds nothing like the doomy baritone his singing voice became.
There is a ton of electronic manipulation. I learned of this in An Ideal For Living book. Their RCA demo disc is very revealing with regards to Ian's voice and how technology enhanced it in JD.
The future is a bright place 🙌
When I found out New Orders members were from Joy Division I nearly had a poop accident. I love both of them and never knew they were connected so tightly.
Great show. Does anyone know when episode2 comes out?
Today.
Soundtrack of my college years.
Excellent!!!!
Wow this is great.
hermoso!
Even now Joy Division sound like nothing else - let alone when they first started.
What song doest compone that riff from 5:45, i beg you, please.
Think that's "Novelty" my good sir! Pretty good early Joy Division track if I do say so
@@blue_boy1999 Thanks you, kind sir! No more blind spot in my head. Forgot i got it on gramophone also. Wishing lovely day
it also sounds like the riff of a Roxy Music track. can't remmember which one now.
A Song For Europe.
Need to have the 'NEW DAWN FADES' stage play back, ASAP!
'Martin was difficult carather but he gave us the gift of longevity' - Hooky
Blue Monday imo is like the defining song of the 1980s.
Barely a day goes by nowadays of NOT hearing the actual record in some shape or form, at least in the UK. And If not the original on the radio, then recent BT ads, Call of Duty Cold War, etc.., any ads trying to evoke the 80's.
I never get tired of hearing it, though as a fan, I do roll my eyes slightly. Having said that, I genuinely hope they are all making a few quid out of it finally, and it's not going into the void known as FAC51!
As far as I'm concerned though JD/NO - Best band in the world, ever.
@@kristianTV1974 I agree, Joy Division will always be my favourite
Along with The Smiths 'How soon is now', Vision 'Lucifer's Friend'. I saw New Order as Sheffield Roxy way back when, what a night! Sadly I never got to see Joy Division.
It doesn't seem available on Spotify yet :/
the best band ever with the velvet underground
This
Why no coverage about the first Album when the were called Warsaw. Which was a reasonable punk album
Because it was a very mediocre album, and more a collection of songs from a new band trying to find itself, than a true great LP, and it was never actually released - (Though all the songs from it appeared on various compilations in later years). In fact, not allowing the release of Warsaw was one of the best moves Rob Gretton ever made. You only get one chance to make a debut album, and history shows that Unknown Pleasures was one of the greatest ever. Warsaw would not have been.
I remember listening to "Blue Monday" on my mom's old IPhone, good times.
I remember listening to it as the village elders drummed it out on goat skinned drums fashioned from bamboo. Fucking top night, the Ayahuasca was blinding 👌
New order ❤❤😘😘the best
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can i find the roundtable interview with the americans anywhere?
TOSS THE INTRO & GET TO IT!
Now can they please make a new album? Maybe even release it on CD this time? It's laughable that their new single "Be a Rebel" is available on Vinyl and as a download, but not on CD.
10 years from now and people will be all retro for CDs and nobody will care about bloody vinyl anymore...
You'll be happy to know that Be a Rebel is coming out on CD soon (albeit very late after the initial release of the song). Btw thanks for posting all of the NO songs you've posted - so many of them are hard to find in such high quality
@@raph6931 Hey, that is good news.
And thank you for the kind words. I upload all these songs because some of them are very rare and not available on any streaming service.
Great, but how many fricking adverts??
That's weird, as I didn't get any adverts. I'm just a regular TH-cam user in the UK. Other podcasts on TH-cam I've listened to have ads, but not this one.
Download "Free AdBlocker". Works a treat on TH-cam!
New order
The Best of Times * NEW ORDER
Audio only?
it's a podcast
Why do you need video?? It is Joy Division!! Best music in the world doesn’t need video🔊🎸🎤🎹🥁
Seriously? No video? Audio only? 2022 calling pick it up!!
There is barely any video available. Use your imagination.
Please, put subtitles! =/
Love Will Tear Us Apart is the Hymn of the modern music, in general, when the 60s and 70s died out.
I remember party crashing in the late '80s, just to snatch some chips and putting on a Joy Division tape instead of the Madonna/Milli Vanilli/whatever they were playing.
And the poor blokes looking at us as if we were aliens. That was fun :D
@@giorgioc6765 Wish I could see and be there.
👍👌🤗😁 Imagine . . . in this day n' age of a time of not wishing to divulge one's true age,
that there are an unsurmountable amount of us *declaring proudly and loudly that we/me/you*
*were in fact there glued to any and all recordings made available from the first year* ... even possibly when *WARSAW* was the originating name.
Definitive? Nah, not by a long way. Don't even start with the Sex Pistols gig! BTW would recommend Steven's autobiography Record, Play, Pause, especially on audiobook.
Wow what a glossed over the first episode. Joy Division music ringing loudly in the background. How about telling people for the first entire year the band was together they were called Warsaw And they made a fairly possible punk rock album. It would have been nice to hear a lot of the albums music in the first episode. Because they did not happen upon the Joy Division sound until about a year after they had been going when Martin Hannah got a hold of them. And slowed them down in tempo and added a whole bunch of special effects and they made a fairly possible punk rock album. It would have been nice to hear a lot of the albums music in the first episode. Because they did not happen upon the joy division sound until about a year after they had been going when Martin Hannah got a hold of them. And slowed them down in tempo and added a whole bunch of special effects. Like a science-fiction movie background noises. Also this first episode completely missed missed that near obsession with Nazi paraphernalia and imagery which appeared on the first EP an ideal for living. Which had to have its cover photo changed because even for punk rock it was too m. uch to have a Nazi German drummer boyOn the cover. I could also talk a little bit about Macclesfield well the singer and a drummer were from. I’m sure not all the action happened in abandoned warehouses in Manchester. I always find it amusing how people like to have a revisionist history rather than the real deal that actually happened at the time
Depois q o cara morreu apareceu um monte de gente querendo ajudar , hipócritas do crl ,quem matou esse cara foram os caras q estavam perto dele ,porra mano amo New order mas o Yan morreu por falta de atenção
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Very The Doors, The Cramps, The Stooges
Aye, aye what's all this all of a sudden? Money? Shirly not.
Wrong choice of female narrator...again
Why? Who is the 'right choice'?
Exactly the right choice, the queen was busy that day anyway.
Maxine Peake is a fabulous actress and another Salford legend.
@@jeffblack5024 she’s from Bolton.
@@edgeh9315 But lives and studied in Salford. Does anybody really care about a mile or two?
Ten seconds of the narrator is too much
Is it just grumpy old me or is Maxine Peake's unnecessarily overly dramatic narration irritating as fuck?
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