I have a fun story about Pandemonium. When I was a kid, me and my brother saw a review on TV of this game and really wanted to play it. We didn't remember the name of the game tho, just some gameplay with the main character jumping and bouncing on giant watermelons. So, my mom took us to the video store that weekend to rent it and my younger stormed up to the counter and asked the guy for that game with the girl jumping around with the huge melons.... So.. Later that day, we apparently played Tomb Raider xD
A detail I love in Pandemonium is how in the backgrounds you can see future parts of the level coming up. As a kid it made me really excited to see the rest of the level.
@@valletas The issue is that he didn't make it clear at that point in the event, he was giving his own opinion about the game and the situation and wasn't still translating inafune's words.
The Klonoa series as well as Strider 2 and the newer Strider on PS3 are definitely some of the more top tier 2.5D games I'd totally add to the list of must play games
Always makes me happy to see Puppeteer get love. Truly one of the very best side scrolling games of the 7th generation, and sadly also one of the most criminally overlooked. Game was amazing from start to finish. Great episode, guys!
Puppeteer's music was composed by Patrick Doyle. He has composed soundtracks for several films including Hamlet, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and Thor.
Best way to play g-darius is on the Taito Legends 2 disc for ps2. The ps1 version has severe limitations because of the slowdown and the music cuts out like was mentioned because of limitations of CD Redbook audio. There was a PC version that has this same issue and Mame still doesn't get it right either, so if you're interested in this excellent entry into the Darius series, go for Taito Legends 2.
Wow, I never knew about Puppeteer. Looks like a spiritual successor to Dynamite Headdy, another game that's overlooked on the Sega Genesis. I'll definitely take a look for that game.
The best, plain and simple. I think I may encourage my class to watch some of your episodes. I'm going to be starting a college class on game history and design in the Spring who's inspiration started when you guys reminded me how much I love games of all gens. Rock on!
Hopefully this is a multi part episode, since I can't imagine someone talking about great 2.5D games without mentioning Klonoa and it's just as amazing sequel.
gothioso They have a few weird and annoying design choices like not being about to save if you don't have enough gold but the gameplay is really fun and challenging.
+Serpico's Beard i'm currently playing those games. the 1st one is challenging as fuck. a true ghost'n goblins game. the 2nd one is a hack and slash, but still very addictive. i don't think less than average is an accurate term.
13:42 Actually it wasn't Inafune who said the infamous "better than nothing" line. It was actually a mistranslation his translator during the launch stream for Mighty No 9. Inafune has gone on record to saying that he "owns all of the problems" Mighty No 9 ended up having. This isn't a huge problem since I will admit Inafune has done some stupid things at Comcept like the Red Ash kickstarter before Mighty No 9's release but it's something worth pointing out.
I think the issue is that it's starting to feel like Inafune just doesn't think much before he acts, then assumes he can apologize his way out of any mistakes made in the process. It's a good example of how the "Ready, Fire, Aim" approach can backfire.
It's like when you carelessly play a prank on someone, they get physically hurt, and your the guy that says "OH SHIT! Dude, are you okay? I'm so sorry, I didn't think it would hurt that bad." Inafune is that guy.
Finally, the Internet is giving Puppeteer some love, honestly the most underrated game of all time, since it's never talked about at all. I actually send Game Sack a message saying that they should give it a try a few month ago. Maybe they saw it haha, awesome.
I still remember the day when I first saw Game Sack and said to myself "Look at those dudes trying to be funny" and now I like the videos even before they start, I look forward to watch them while having breakfast on Sundays and I fell asleep many times binge watching old episodes!!!
Hi guys! Please consider covering the following 2.5D games in a future episode: Bionic Commando Rearmed, Strider (2014), Castle of Illusion (2013), Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams, Ducktales Remastered, Double Dragon Neon, and Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty. Thanks. Keep up the great work! :)
Another fantastic episode guys! It's worth mentioning that February 3 Yoshi's Wooly world will be released for the Nintendo 3ds as Poochy & Yoshi's Wooly World for those that don't have a wii u or plan to jump on the NX ship instead.
Man, I'd love to see a Game Sack movie. I cant get enough of this stuff. Whatever it would be about, I know you could do it Joe....and Dave! I love your skits so much, especially the WTF episode that took us back through time.... Blown. Away. You have my respect for that kind of foresight. IF! I had any input on a Game Sack movie, I'd love to not see any game footage or reviews, rather a 30 minute short involving video games of course, but do what you do best....Just a funny, quirky, scary, weird or whatever, but always entertaining story that takes place locally, no grand scale epics, just you and Dave. And video games...Oh! and Jen of course, if she wants to be in it too, I'd like to see more of her and get to know her character better. And um, the last thing is that you would let me be your assistant cinematographer. :) Thumbs up. I really enjoy your stuff. Just a big fan.
Yeah if we ever did something long form with Game Sack, that's how we'd do it. Basically an extended skit with no actual reviews, but still about games & stuff.
that would be awesome! I feel the same way about the skits, they bring me back good memories especially cos I'm about their age and I loved the bullying era LOL
Hey guys, great episode. I was happy to not only see you put in Yoshi's WW, but to also get it so much love. Another great WiiU 2.5d game DK topical Freeze. That game is tough as nails and really feels like DK Country in so many ways.
LOVED pandemonium on my then PS1.. long sold, would thoroughly enjoy playing it through with each character again as I did back when. Thanks for the flashback!
I finally got a professional commercial CRT video monitor like you guys recommended in one of your older videos for retro games. It's awesome. Thanks for letting me know about them.
I don't think G Darius is a very good game at all. It feels sloppy and unfinished. Like Joe, I thought there was a problem with my disc when the music just stopped. Unforgivable for a shooter in my opinion. I would like to see Thunder Force V on the next episode.
Excellent episode guys! Even better since it spans such a wide range of eras. Definitely moving Puppeteer high up on my backlog now, and going to give G Darius another chance!
They're all sidescrawlers, which are inherently two-dimentional gameplay wise. Graphically they're full 3D. What was 2.5D about it? When I hear 2,5D I usually think about Duke Nukem 3D, Mario Kart 64 and other games that mix 2D and 3D graphics.
3D models moving along a linear path in a 3D world is considered 2.5D, like Veiwtiful Joe and Mighty No. 9. Sprites moving along a linear path with 3D background elements and shifting camera angles is considered 2.5D also.
Considered by who? Last time I checked "2.5D" was used to secribe mid-90s attempts to mix 3D and 2D graphics. I think branding every modern sidescroller a 2.5D game is purposeless. You can argue certain few games like Crash Bandicoot or Super Mario 3D Land had enough 2D and 3D elements to be considered 2.5. But there's literally nothing 3D in Yoshi's Wooly World or Mighty Number 9 except for graphics that are fully 3D.
A 2.5D games mixes 3D graphics with 2D gameplay. Sometimes there are sprites involved, sometimes not. It's pretty basic and straightforward. Your argument relates to just graphics. A game can have 3D graphics, but play on a 2 dimensional plane, hence 2.5D.
That's what I always thought too, it's even written on Mame list (2.5d games). If it use polygons, it's 3d, if it's sprites, it's 2d, if it's prerendered 3d it's 2.5d (not 3d but can't say it's 2d either).
Both of these styles are often referred to as "2.5D". Either (a) 2D sprites with depth etc applied to create a 3D effect, or (b) 3D rendering but with the gameplay/movement occurring in a 2D plane, and usually with the camera locked to a side view.
As much as I love Doom, these games seem to be 2D gameplay with 3D polygons, rather than Doom which is 3D gameplay with 2D sprites Plus they already covered it before
I don't think they included it because they went with the definition of 2.5D as "A 3D game that behaves like a 2D game." But yes, I have heard DOOM and Duke Nukem 3D referred to 2.5D games since the world is 3D but the characters are 2D sprites.
Puppeteer just blew my mind. How did I not hear about this? I had to show my wife and now she wants it as a gift for Xmas. Thanks for bringing this game to our attention!
G Darius was one of my favorite games as a teenager. One of the best things that you skipped was that if you hold the capture ball button while you have an enemy captured instead of it blowing up, you absorb it and shoot it out as a giant laser beam. The bigger the enemy the bigger the beam and the longer it would last. Always awesome to use it against the boss fish
I did find some of the Mighty No.9 bosses a little hard, but once you learn the pattern, and get the right counter to them, it makes it much easier. One thing that i found really cool about the boss fights, is that they give audio ques for when they attack. I was playing with the sound off and listening to my own music, and kept dieing. So i turned the music up, and it made the fight much easier
Another cool 2,5D platform is Goemon's Great Adventure on the Nintendo 64: it's the second Goemon game on N64, but the first was a 3D platformer, while this one goes back to the gameplay of SNES entries of the series, with a village-hub and 2D scrolling levels, with 3D graphics. There's also a 2 player mode.
A friend of mine recommended Pandemonium! because it was one of her childhood favorites. I immediately loved the 2.5D approach, but soundtrackwise only the first stage (the one shown in this video) stood out to me. I am generally the type of person that don't really notice the music in a game as anything but ambient background noise, and only very rarely does more than ONE track per game stand out to me as something I will go and listen to on youtube after playing.
Puppeteer is such an amazing game, very underrated. I got it free back in 2014 when it was on PS+ and I liked it so much I bought it from a different account just to support the developers. One of my favorite games from the last generation.
I think of Puppeteer as a kind of spiritual successor of Dynamite Heady, both games are situated in fictional acting scenarios (Heady in a TV Studio, Puppeteer in a theater) and both games' protagonists use their heads as their main weapons with multiple heads to choose from, each one with their own effect.
One thing missed about G-Darius is the counter beam. If you hold down the circle button after capturing an enemy and release the button you can use the counter beam. This beam can be used to counter an enemy's pink beam by pressing the fire button while the beam is active. This can be used to end those long boss fights you mentioned rather quickly.
Thanks for the info. How fast can it end the boss where I mentioned the long boss fight? Because that boss fight comprises the majority of the stage. The length of other boss fights is just right.
Pandemonium is an underrated platformer in my opinion. Some really stellar level design in there. Cloud Palace and the Frozen Palace (if I remember the names correctly) are just amazing. Never used the Jester though, the other character has a double jump so she renders him useless.
I appreciate that you used the music to Nights, even though you never mentioned it in the show. The ORIGINAL (not Journey into Dreams) is my favorite 2.5d game.
I'm off sick from work and it's always good to have a new Gamesack when you're feeling rough. Thanks for the ideas of some games to play while recovering. I was hoping you'd cover the Rocket Knight remake. Sparkster was amazing on the Megadrive. I hope it lives up.
The Klonoa games are probably my favorite in this category. Especially the 2nd game. LostWinds on the Wii was also really good. And I will always have some love for Nights into Dreams.
I have played Puppeteer, It's one of my favorite games for the PS3. I found the graphical style inventive and beautiful. It was a great pick to showcase. This was a great episode!
Great episode! I'd love to see you guys making a series out of it. Highly recommended titles for a future episode are R-Type Delta, R-Type Final, and Radiant Silvergun. Einhänder is also pretty cool, as well as the Street Fighter EX series. On the N64 there is Mystical Ninja 2 and Kirby 64 which are ok. Oh, almost forgot Out of this World/Another World (such an awesome game!)
Great video as usual guys! Puppeteer is one of the few reasons I still even have my PS3. The 2014 Strider reboot, Trine, and Astebreed are some 2.5d games I'd definitely recommend checking out. I also think there was a JP exclusive remake of Ys 3 that was 2.5d, which might be interesting but I know nothing about it really.
Thank you for another great video, guys. Enjoyable as always. I was glad that you showed Napple Tale, Joe. I have been putting off playing it for a years and now I know it was a good decision.....the platforming sequences didn't seem worth slogging through the hub-world. Dave, great call on The Puppeteer! Such a great title! You have good taste.
Another great video Game Sack. Thank you for your efforts . I'm currently playing AC chronicles on the PS vita. That could be used for a future installment of 2.5 D games. Also, Batman Origins Blackgate uses the 2.5D well. Some other ones to look at includes Bionic Commando Rearmed , the 2012 version of Castle of Illusion, Xeodrifter from Renegade kid, DariusBurst Chronicle Saviors, Tinertia on steam, Song of the Deep, Muramasa Rebirth , Odinsphere , and uh....that's all I have on the top of my head.
In addition to my previous post, DKC: Tropical Freeze is a fantastic (but difficult later in the game) entry into this genre for the Wii U. So it obviously gets little attention for such a beautiful and challenging game.
I also really enjoyed Mighty No. 9, personally. I beat it twice on Normal and once on Hard. The bosses are indeed quite hard, but I learned them. The game really scratches that fast action itch for me. I also do like the voice acting during gameplay, and I find some of the music pretty catchy. Also, Inafune didn't say "It's better than nothing." That was something his translator adlibbed.
I have a fun story about Pandemonium.
When I was a kid, me and my brother saw a review on TV of this game and really wanted to play it. We didn't remember the name of the game tho, just some gameplay with the main character jumping and bouncing on giant watermelons.
So, my mom took us to the video store that weekend to rent it and my younger stormed up to the counter and asked the guy for that game with the girl jumping around with the huge melons....
So.. Later that day, we apparently played Tomb Raider xD
That's a great story!
非常喜欢你们做的节目，虽然听不懂你们在说什么。哈哈。。
Huge Melons indeed.
Captain N 😂 😂 😂 😂
Lmao 🤣 oh boy.
00:55 Pandemonium! (PS1)
04:14 Napple Tale: Arsia in Daydream (DC) / 04:43 Clockwork Knight (Saturn)
06:03 Yoshi's Woolly World (WiiU)
09:35 Ultimate Ghosts'n Goblins (PSP)
13:17 Mighty No.9 (PS4, PC)
18:20 Puppeteer (PS3)
21:54 G-Darius (PS1)
A detail I love in Pandemonium is how in the backgrounds you can see future parts of the level coming up. As a kid it made me really excited to see the rest of the level.
Now that I think about it, maybe Napple Tale is more of a 2.6D game than 2.5D. 2.5976D to be exact.
Game Sack exposed, gone wrong, gone sexual BOOBS!!!!
2.714.........D or eD
*Bewbz
Or 3D. Because thats what it is.
Pun Sack? :(
Inafune didn't actually say "It's better than nothing.", that dude who was translating his words add that himself.
He might as well be the worst translator in history because i have never seen a translator do so much damage by adding something himself
@@valletas The issue is that he didn't make it clear at that point in the event, he was giving his own opinion about the game and the situation and wasn't still translating inafune's words.
The Klonoa series as well as Strider 2 and the newer Strider on PS3 are definitely some of the more top tier 2.5D games I'd totally add to the list of must play games
Puppeteer looks amazing, I shouldn't overlook it any longer!
You shouldn't! It's really cheap too.
Too bad my PS3 is bricked....now I'll never experience Puppeteer D:
FullmetalSonic260 it's pretty awesome. Like playing a dark Pixar movie
@@tetrisdavedid this video inflate the price? Because it’s quite expensive now
Defiantly one of my favourite sub genres, great work guys!
I'm glad you guys showed Puppeteer. :) That game is extremely underrated.
Agreed. It's such a quality title.
Agreed
Always makes me happy to see Puppeteer get love. Truly one of the very best side scrolling games of the 7th generation, and sadly also one of the most criminally overlooked. Game was amazing from start to finish. Great episode, guys!
Puppeteer's music was composed by Patrick Doyle. He has composed soundtracks for several films including Hamlet, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and Thor.
Thanks! The soundtrack is so good.
Best way to play g-darius is on the Taito Legends 2 disc for ps2. The ps1 version has severe limitations because of the slowdown and the music cuts out like was mentioned because of limitations of CD Redbook audio. There was a PC version that has this same issue and Mame still doesn't get it right either, so if you're interested in this excellent entry into the Darius series, go for Taito Legends 2.
i just bought puppeteer... thanks Dave
$9.99 brand new
You'll love it!
AWESOME!!! You will like it. Great price too!
TheSoulForge 360 Thr visuals are so good. I think I got it for free on PS+.
TheSoulForge 360 puppeteer is a great game. Amazing graphics. Great gameplay.
Wow, I never knew about Puppeteer. Looks like a spiritual successor to Dynamite Headdy, another game that's overlooked on the Sega Genesis. I'll definitely take a look for that game.
You guys are good at keeping me awake.
The best, plain and simple. I think I may encourage my class to watch some of your episodes. I'm going to be starting a college class on game history and design in the Spring who's inspiration started when you guys reminded me how much I love games of all gens.
Rock on!
Hopefully this is a multi part episode, since I can't imagine someone talking about great 2.5D games without mentioning Klonoa and it's just as amazing sequel.
The first thing Dave mentioned during his first review was Klonoa.
In an alternate universe, they chose Klonoa over Mighty No.9. We are clearly in the wrong one.
Puppeteer looks incredible, Thanks Dave ! And thank you both guys for keeping this series up. It's the greatest thing to watch on Sundays
"Less than average Maximo games on the PS2"?
Aww, the Maximo games rock! Nevermind.
Serpico's Beard agreed Maximo 1 and 2 weren't that bad
The games were great. The only complaint I might have is that the "trilogy" was never finished, so we will never know the true ending to the saga.
gothioso They have a few weird and annoying design choices like not being about to save if you don't have enough gold but the gameplay is really fun and challenging.
+Serpico's Beard i'm currently playing those games.
the 1st one is challenging as fuck.
a true ghost'n goblins game.
the 2nd one is a hack and slash, but still very addictive.
i don't think less than average is an accurate term.
Yeah! I left my angry comment too, "less than average" how dare he? :)
Hey could you guys do a tour of your collection? We're pretty curious!
13:42 Actually it wasn't Inafune who said the infamous "better than nothing" line. It was actually a mistranslation his translator during the launch stream for Mighty No 9. Inafune has gone on record to saying that he "owns all of the problems" Mighty No 9 ended up having. This isn't a huge problem since I will admit Inafune has done some stupid things at Comcept like the Red Ash kickstarter before Mighty No 9's release but it's something worth pointing out.
I think the issue is that it's starting to feel like Inafune just doesn't think much before he acts, then assumes he can apologize his way out of any mistakes made in the process. It's a good example of how the "Ready, Fire, Aim" approach can backfire.
It's like when you carelessly play a prank on someone, they get physically hurt, and your the guy that says "OH SHIT! Dude, are you okay? I'm so sorry, I didn't think it would hurt that bad."
Inafune is that guy.
Finally, the Internet is giving Puppeteer some love, honestly the most underrated game of all time, since it's never talked about at all. I actually send Game Sack a message saying that they should give it a try a few month ago. Maybe they saw it haha, awesome.
I can stay awake a little longer for an awesome Game Sack episode.
The artistry in Puppeteer is what most 2D games should aspire to these days. Instead we get basic bitch low res sprites because "muh nostalgia."
Damn you Game Sack. I was ready to sleep but you have ruined everything. I hope you're happy.
In general yes I'm happy.
Juan Francisco Valdivieso I was awake because I'm sick and can't breathe. I did get about 3 hours of Doom in.
I still remember the day when I first saw Game Sack and said to myself "Look at those dudes trying to be funny" and now I like the videos even before they start, I look forward to watch them while having breakfast on Sundays and I fell asleep many times binge watching old episodes!!!
Another great episode and great end-skit. Keep up the great vids that make my Sundays, Dave, Joe and Jen! :)
Yoko makes incredible music all the time it seems.
you guys put me on to a lot of games. thanks a lot for all your videos. they're always dope.
Hi guys! Please consider covering the following 2.5D games in a future episode: Bionic Commando Rearmed, Strider (2014), Castle of Illusion (2013), Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams, Ducktales Remastered, Double Dragon Neon, and Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty. Thanks. Keep up the great work! :)
They covered Ducktales Remastered in their Remakes episode. And the Castle of Illusion(2013)
I just read your comment in Ralph Wiggums voice.
Another fantastic episode guys! It's worth mentioning that February 3 Yoshi's Wooly world will be released for the Nintendo 3ds as Poochy & Yoshi's Wooly World for those that don't have a wii u or plan to jump on the NX ship instead.
Man, I'd love to see a Game Sack movie. I cant get enough of this stuff. Whatever it would be about, I know you could do it Joe....and Dave! I love your skits so much, especially the WTF episode that took us back through time.... Blown. Away. You have my respect for that kind of foresight. IF! I had any input on a Game Sack movie, I'd love to not see any game footage or reviews, rather a 30 minute short involving video games of course, but do what you do best....Just a funny, quirky, scary, weird or whatever, but always entertaining story that takes place locally, no grand scale epics, just you and Dave. And video games...Oh! and Jen of course, if she wants to be in it too, I'd like to see more of her and get to know her character better. And um, the last thing is that you would let me be your assistant cinematographer. :) Thumbs up. I really enjoy your stuff. Just a big fan.
Yeah if we ever did something long form with Game Sack, that's how we'd do it. Basically an extended skit with no actual reviews, but still about games & stuff.
Would you still consider me for an assistant cinematographer position? :)
that would be awesome! I feel the same way about the skits, they bring me back good memories especially cos I'm about their age and I loved the bullying era LOL
I love Game Sack.. but it's not movie material..
Do you make movies?
WOW. Puppeteer looks AMAZING. I'm on it, I already know its going to be one of my favorite video games ever.
It's definitely good.
Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles. Rondo of Blood in 2.5D, and it's actually really good!
and it has original rondo and symphony of the night
They looked at it in the Remakes episode and they didn't like it.
Hey guys, great episode. I was happy to not only see you put in Yoshi's WW, but to also get it so much love. Another great WiiU 2.5d game DK topical Freeze. That game is tough as nails and really feels like DK Country in so many ways.
You guys forgot Goemon's 2 on the N64. I used to love that game.
Next episode.
YES
Great work on this episode guys, Thanks for all the hard work man so we can have great free content to watch.
Are there any DOA games in this style?
I could really go for a 2.5DD game!
Nope, standard 3D fighter.
Breast joke ever.
Well, that went tits up!
videogameobsession Nipple Tale
Another good 2.5D game from the PSX period... SPIDER.
I hate spiders, but I do like the game.
More 'Sack? Hells yeah! Sunday mornings are made even better by this show.
Sims 1 (2000) is my favorite 2.5D game!!!
Ye!!!
LOVED pandemonium on my then PS1.. long sold, would thoroughly enjoy playing it through with each character again as I did back when. Thanks for the flashback!
Maximo less than average? I thought you said you liked them in your other videos...
I do like them. I'm just comparing them to the Ghosts' n Goblins series. :)
In that case, I agree.
Oh ok, yeah, I agree too
I finally got a professional commercial CRT video monitor like you guys recommended in one of your older videos for retro games. It's awesome. Thanks for letting me know about them.
they should've done Einhander instead of the Darius one!
Nah. We've talked about Einhander a few times already.
Cool! I must revisit your backlog again. Cheers!
I don't think G Darius is a very good game at all. It feels sloppy and unfinished. Like Joe, I thought there was a problem with my disc when the music just stopped. Unforgivable for a shooter in my opinion. I would like to see Thunder Force V on the next episode.
this channel is so underrated! you guys deserve to be at least at the 500k subs by now.
maximo less than average? i disagree.
I was harsh. It's a decent game but I would have loved another proper G' n G.
I loved the first maximo game
Always look forward to new Gamesack, you guys rock.
Hey Gamesack, could you please do a special episode where you guys say heaps of swearwords and offensive things? I pay you cash, Cookie
Excellent episode guys! Even better since it spans such a wide range of eras. Definitely moving Puppeteer high up on my backlog now, and going to give G Darius another chance!
Woah dave is so slim is it that you are becoming more healthy?
Thanks. I'm trying. I fluctuate from fat to less fat.
Lookin' damn sexy, my friend.
Thanks for putting a smile on my face guys. Another great episode with a cheesy skit. :-)
tbh most of the games mentioned are straight up 3D
lol fail.
They're all sidescrawlers, which are inherently two-dimentional gameplay wise. Graphically they're full 3D. What was 2.5D about it? When I hear 2,5D I usually think about Duke Nukem 3D, Mario Kart 64 and other games that mix 2D and 3D graphics.
3D models moving along a linear path in a 3D world is considered 2.5D, like Veiwtiful Joe and Mighty No. 9. Sprites moving along a linear path with 3D background elements and shifting camera angles is considered 2.5D also.
Considered by who? Last time I checked "2.5D" was used to secribe mid-90s attempts to mix 3D and 2D graphics. I think branding every modern sidescroller a 2.5D game is purposeless. You can argue certain few games like Crash Bandicoot or Super Mario 3D Land had enough 2D and 3D elements to be considered 2.5. But there's literally nothing 3D in Yoshi's Wooly World or Mighty Number 9 except for graphics that are fully 3D.
A 2.5D games mixes 3D graphics with 2D gameplay. Sometimes there are sprites involved, sometimes not. It's pretty basic and straightforward. Your argument relates to just graphics. A game can have 3D graphics, but play on a 2 dimensional plane, hence 2.5D.
God damn I love Game Sack. I really appreciate you guys.
Thats not 2.5D.....2.5D is 2D pixelcharacters in a 3D world or with 3D effects around them.
agreed! it should look like rendered in 3d but actually it's a 2d sprite!
Yeah these are 3D side scrollers if anything. Breath of Fire 3 and 4 are examples of what I remember people calling 2.5D years ago.
That's what I always thought too, it's even written on Mame list (2.5d games). If it use polygons, it's 3d, if it's sprites, it's 2d, if it's prerendered 3d it's 2.5d (not 3d but can't say it's 2d either).
Yes i agree, These in the video are just 3D sidescrollers.
Both of these styles are often referred to as "2.5D". Either (a) 2D sprites with depth etc applied to create a 3D effect, or (b) 3D rendering but with the gameplay/movement occurring in a 2D plane, and usually with the camera locked to a side view.
I really liked this episode and I can't believe i'm in it!!Glad to see you guys are playing with the amiibo's like toys :)
How could you forget DOOM?
thats a bit over the heads of most people
As much as I love Doom, these games seem to be 2D gameplay with 3D polygons, rather than Doom which is 3D gameplay with 2D sprites
Plus they already covered it before
Doom2Guy Sure take their side on the issue. Since when do they never recycle content on past episodes regularly?
I don't think they included it because they went with the definition of 2.5D as "A 3D game that behaves like a 2D game." But yes, I have heard DOOM and Duke Nukem 3D referred to 2.5D games since the world is 3D but the characters are 2D sprites.
+Doom2Guy doom is considered 2d because of the way levels are processed not the enemies being sprites
This is the best gaming show on youtube. Period.
thanks for not covering the usual suspects guys. the discovery aspect of this show is one of the reasons i love gamesack
Puppeteer just blew my mind. How did I not hear about this? I had to show my wife and now she wants it as a gift for Xmas. Thanks for bringing this game to our attention!
Awesome! Great game to play around Xmas time.......or anytime really.
Glad to see Puppeteer was covered! It's a terribly underrated game. Thanks guys.
I've been looking for Puppeteer ever since I saw this video. And today, I finally found a copy. So I bought it. Thanks, Dave.
Man I love that "less than average" Maximo series.
G Darius was one of my favorite games as a teenager. One of the best things that you skipped was that if you hold the capture ball button while you have an enemy captured instead of it blowing up, you absorb it and shoot it out as a giant laser beam. The bigger the enemy the bigger the beam and the longer it would last. Always awesome to use it against the boss fish
I did find some of the Mighty No.9 bosses a little hard, but once you learn the pattern, and get the right counter to them, it makes it much easier.
One thing that i found really cool about the boss fights, is that they give audio ques for when they attack. I was playing with the sound off and listening to my own music, and kept dieing. So i turned the music up, and it made the fight much easier
Another cool 2,5D platform is Goemon's Great Adventure on the Nintendo 64: it's the second Goemon game on N64, but the first was a 3D platformer, while this one goes back to the gameplay of SNES entries of the series, with a village-hub and 2D scrolling levels, with 3D graphics.
There's also a 2 player mode.
Pandemonium was one the first games i played on my own pc and i love it. The final boss was almost impossible though.
A friend of mine recommended Pandemonium! because it was one of her childhood favorites. I immediately loved the 2.5D approach, but soundtrackwise only the first stage (the one shown in this video) stood out to me.
I am generally the type of person that don't really notice the music in a game as anything but ambient background noise, and only very rarely does more than ONE track per game stand out to me as something I will go and listen to on youtube after playing.
Puppeteer is one of my favorite games, and definitely among the PS3's most underappreciated titles. Glad you included it!
Thought I'd pause my binge of Luke Cage to watch the best damn video games show on youtube!
Puppeteer is such an amazing game, very underrated. I got it free back in 2014 when it was on PS+ and I liked it so much I bought it from a different account just to support the developers. One of my favorite games from the last generation.
the ability to shoot up and down, and double jump "it feels great to do both of these things" greater words have never been said...
I think of Puppeteer as a kind of spiritual successor of Dynamite Heady, both games are situated in fictional acting scenarios (Heady in a TV Studio, Puppeteer in a theater) and both games' protagonists use their heads as their main weapons with multiple heads to choose from, each one with their own effect.
I love getting the notification for a new gamesack video!
One thing missed about G-Darius is the counter beam. If you hold down the circle button after capturing an enemy and release the button you can use the counter beam. This beam can be used to counter an enemy's pink beam by pressing the fire button while the beam is active. This can be used to end those long boss fights you mentioned rather quickly.
Thanks for the info. How fast can it end the boss where I mentioned the long boss fight? Because that boss fight comprises the majority of the stage. The length of other boss fights is just right.
I'm quite the fan of Mischief Makers myself.
i've always wanted there to be a fan translation of Napple Tale, and i was way happy to see you guys cover it!
Pandemonium is an underrated platformer in my opinion. Some really stellar level design in there. Cloud Palace and the Frozen Palace (if I remember the names correctly) are just amazing.
Never used the Jester though, the other character has a double jump so she renders him useless.
I appreciate that you used the music to Nights, even though you never mentioned it in the show. The ORIGINAL (not Journey into Dreams) is my favorite 2.5d game.
I remember Spider for PS1 blew my mind when I first saw it.
Game Sack! Thanks for the late night upload!
"Wow, the hype is real"
Thanks guys, you made my day
I'm off sick from work and it's always good to have a new Gamesack when you're feeling rough. Thanks for the ideas of some games to play while recovering. I was hoping you'd cover the Rocket Knight remake. Sparkster was amazing on the Megadrive. I hope it lives up.
Feel better!
Thanks Bud. I watch religiously and that means a lot. Keep up the good work guys :)
The Klonoa games are probably my favorite in this category. Especially the 2nd game. LostWinds on the Wii was also really good. And I will always have some love for Nights into Dreams.
A game where you play as a jester? Guess I'll be picking up Pandemonium soon. Thanks for highlighting it guys!
I have played Puppeteer, It's one of my favorite games for the PS3. I found the graphical style inventive and beautiful. It was a great pick to showcase. This was a great episode!
Great episode! also loved Puppeteer and Yoshi's Woolly World, got them both pretty cheap. Thanks!
Great episode! I'd love to see you guys making a series out of it. Highly recommended titles for a future episode are R-Type Delta, R-Type Final, and Radiant Silvergun. Einhänder is also pretty cool, as well as the Street Fighter EX series. On the N64 there is Mystical Ninja 2 and Kirby 64 which are ok. Oh, almost forgot Out of this World/Another World (such an awesome game!)
Great video as usual guys! Puppeteer is one of the few reasons I still even have my PS3. The 2014 Strider reboot, Trine, and Astebreed are some 2.5d games I'd definitely recommend checking out. I also think there was a JP exclusive remake of Ys 3 that was 2.5d, which might be interesting but I know nothing about it really.
Thank you for another great video, guys. Enjoyable as always. I was glad that you showed Napple Tale, Joe. I have been putting off playing it for a years and now I know it was a good decision.....the platforming sequences didn't seem worth slogging through the hub-world. Dave, great call on The Puppeteer! Such a great title! You have good taste.
Another great video Game Sack. Thank you for your efforts . I'm currently playing AC chronicles on the PS vita.
That could be used for a future installment of 2.5 D games. Also, Batman Origins Blackgate uses the 2.5D well.
Some other ones to look at includes Bionic Commando Rearmed , the 2012 version of Castle of Illusion, Xeodrifter from Renegade kid, DariusBurst Chronicle Saviors, Tinertia on steam, Song of the Deep, Muramasa Rebirth , Odinsphere , and uh....that's all I have on the top of my head.
"The background is filled with images that resemble death and despair, and I just love it!"
OH. Star Blazer for the Amiga is AWESOME. One of my favorite 2.5D/pseudo 3D shooters. Also, I think Contra for the PS2 is a worthy mention.
In addition to my previous post, DKC: Tropical Freeze is a fantastic (but difficult later in the game) entry into this genre for the Wii U. So it obviously gets little attention for such a beautiful and challenging game.
Playing Puppeteer with a full surround sound system is truly something magical.
Indeed it is. Feel like part of the audience.
Try REVOLVER360 RE:ACTOR, it's a beautiful looking and sounding shmup with a cool mechanic where you can rotate the screen to line up enemies.
I also really enjoyed Mighty No. 9, personally. I beat it twice on Normal and once on Hard. The bosses are indeed quite hard, but I learned them. The game really scratches that fast action itch for me. I also do like the voice acting during gameplay, and I find some of the music pretty catchy.
Also, Inafune didn't say "It's better than nothing." That was something his translator adlibbed.
Puppeteer was a absolute joy to play I love that game.
Great Games! This G-Darius really looks like a game that deserves a remake.
Another great episode. Thanks guys.
I like how casually you discuss playing G-Darius like that game will not absolutely own you on higher difficulties.