Hey legends, just wanna clarify something important… This video is NOT trying to say that Tinder as a whole is ‘evil’ or that you should boycott/delete the app. In fact, even though its been a while since I used it, when I did it was a very good experience. However… it’s certainly interesting that one company owns so many of the biggest dating apps/sites. And definitely some of Tinder’s monetization tricks are pretty shady/manipulative. Plus some of the behind the scenes drama at Tinder is wild. Overall, I just found this a really interesting story, and hadn’t seen Tinder’s story covered fully before. In short: the tinder story is pretty crazy and I think you’ll enjoy it. But that definitely doesn’t mean you should never use it if you want to. Just be aware of what their business model actually is. Thanks to IPVanish for sponsoring. I legit always use a vpn online, and highly recommend you do the same. So check out this special deal for MagnatesMedia viewers: magnates.media/vpndeal and protect your online privacy now! (P.S. If you’ve read all the way to the end of this comment, why not check out the controversial history of Airbnb next? th-cam.com/video/CTra8NnPD1I/w-d-xo.html ) And for any aspiring TH-cam creators... My full system to make a full-time income from TH-cam has just launched: magnates.media/youtube
It's literally the worst thing to happen to the dating world. Don't believe those 1/1000 success stories. There are 100 million bots and lonely souls you have to look past to reach any positive statistic.
I’m thankful I met my husband on Tinder back in October 2014. So the early days of Tinder. Unlimited swipes. Unlimited matches. No fees at all. My hubby and I were probably part of their algorithm letting Tinder know not to be so good at matching people because we met, fell in love and never needed the app again.
My wife and I met on POF. Either one of us wanted a spouse but 8 years later, house, (3) kids and dogs, that’s what we got. Go in with no expectations, put forth effort, and see what life has planned for you.
Used Tinder from about 2015-2017 mainly to meet new people, not really for dates or hook ups. It used to be a lot of fun, unlimited swipes, a large amount of people and a large amount of matches. It seemed like overnight everything stopped. I would get matches but it went from about 20 a day to about 20 a month. And like the video said, I was pumped with tinder gold ads. I’m cheap but I can see why people, especially men, would try it out and get stuck in the cycle. 4 years later, I’m off tinder and married to a woman I met the old fashioned way... A shit talking Facebook group.
The likes stop because after a few days your profile stops being on top, they literally try to make you pay, and if you don't, your experience ends there. But if you create a brand new account a few months later, you'll get a ton of likes again, so yeah, it's a waste of time, although i met some cool girls there.
@@anorthelondo6982 absolutely this. I did the same thing and watched my matches go back up, then down again. It’s a good sales funnel, but that’s about it.
Bumble lately had an advert where they stopped even pretending to find you a partner. The slogan was "Fall in love...with dating". This is completely ridicolous, I tell everyone to stay away, but they say I am crazy
You didn’t even mention how Tinder unmatches people when they are getting too close, but haven’t exchanged numbers once. It happened to me once. They didn’t even unmatch it from her end so it looked like I just ghosted her. I only know this because I suspected something was up, tracked her down on Facebook, and asked her. A little creepy I know, but still. She even showed me screenshots of our message history taken after Tinder had unmatched us on their end. So yeah, Tinder will actually unmatch people who haven’t exchanged contact info in order to keep them on the app. It’s super messed up.
I thought I was crazy for thinking this, uninstalled the app a while ago but there were several instances where I was talking to a person everything going great, then all of a sudden poof their gone. I was like how? It was going perfect, had a feeling it was deliberate
The best time to use an app does tend to be in the beginning when it's running on investor money and more focused on amassing users than making a profit. The secret is not to get hooked on the free samples and to be prepared to leave once the terms of the arrangement have been altered as they usually just keep getting worse over time.
Sometimes they deserve a bit of money too, i mean ur not paying to download it. I don't mind paying if an app is good, but Tinder is so shit nowadays all they care about is money
Giving solution to an existing problem: that's fair Creating a problem and offering a solution: that's unfair Creating a problem, *hiding you doing that*, and then offering a solution: now that's manipulative Tinder did/does the latter.
Coming from the MMORPG gaming genre where they deliberately lower the exp you get so that you buy EXP boost, create a problem - sell the solution. Been like this in gaming since 2010, just spreading into more areas now, nothing new
I use tinder to find sex, its a tool that helps a lot! I don't pay for it, I make a profile that screams "Hook up only" and I get a meaningful match once every 2 weeks, if I'm swiping.
When I was thinking about deleting the app, it kept spamming me with "you got a match" even tho there was nothing when I opened it. Seems to be pure scam nowadays sadly. Can't recommend even to test it by now. Never had much success with tinder, rather gave me depression and a low selfesteem. great vid :)
As a not so attractive introverted man, tinder wreaked havoc to my self-confidence. After knowing the ratio of men to women on tinder, I realised I may not be so undesirable after all.
I ran the numbers. Thousands of profiles I swiped through and not a single match. According to the statistics on tinder I am the most unattractive man alive. So don't feel too bad.
Bro its literally designed to do that, do not let it mess with you. I was on Tinder in 2014-15 and it was a freaking blast. Tons of matches, real women not OF girls and hookers, 90% of women messaged back. They had a feature that let you see how long its been since they were active. They took that away..on purpose. Most of the accounts you swipe on have been dead for months or even years. There is most definitely a pay-wall keeping you from getting matches.
the original definition of "tinder" is: "something used to start a fire." the app changes this definition by inserting the word "dumpster" into the sixth position.
They're not in business to make relationships, they're in business to make money. That is the only purpose of any business EVER, by definition. People tend to forget that and, enter Tinder.
I'm old enough to remember to golden days of online dating where people actually met and were interested in getting to know one another... Tinder didn't kill that experience... The Match Group did!
@@g3ar75 back in like 2018 you can link people with you and then you’d be in the group tab where you can swipe on groups of people, matches were like a group chat
When you date someone you met on Tinder, you're getting into a relationship with someone who very likely has an addiction and will likely never delete the app or will try to re-install it at some point behind your back. Data speaks volumes and it shows the success of relationships that started on dating apps is FAR lower than that of people who met another way.
In the first months i got some matches and met like 3 or 4 people. It was like 2016 and most woman i matched with, wanted to write at least 2 weeks before meeting. Usually some personal attraction was build within those 2 weeks and when meeting first time, we both quickly developed feelings for each other, only to realize soon after that we kinda developed feelings for the Tinder-character, instead for the real person. We quickly realized that we're not made for each other and went on. There is a big gap between a humans real charakter and its digital character. Soon after and shortly before Covid started i noticed getting less and less matches, up to the point in which i would gain literally zero likes and zero matches. I noticed that most of the people, who were shown to me, didnt fit my preferences. Today its nearly impossible for me to find some woman, who seems nice to me and at the same time im not getting any likes. This experience is almost exactly as described in your video. I liked the idea of dating apps, since i'm shy when I wanna start a conversation with people, who i want to have more then friendship. Now i think that Tinder and other dating apps are actually a downgrade for confidence and general dating experience.
This!!! Meeting someone in person is a whole different ballgame. People are very different when they don't have the chance to edit everything they're going to say.
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here's another secret, delete your account and make a new one everytime it gets super dry, since the algorithm helps newly made accounts, you're welcome
As an older millennial, this video really concerns me. My message to the young men reading this. Don't be a Pawn in someone else's chess game (Tinder for example). Make people play by your rules and your game. Here's How: 1) Get good at a skill/craft that is not video games (Good career, Martial arts, Programming, Ballroom dancing, Cooking etc) - YOU become the "Man in Demand" 2) Talk to the girl that finds your craft interesting (attraction is based on something more than looks alone) 3) You arrange a date by asking her out verbally and in person (More powerful and gives her the butterflies) 4) Plan out your date and take it from there (Show preparation and leadership) I'm a happily married man. I am also a mid manager at a Fortune 50 company, Karate black belt, BJJ practitioner, Latin and ballroom dance instructor. Focus on building skills that make you marketable because as this tinder story shows, no-one will help a man find success. In fact, they take advantage of a man's desperation. Good luck
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OMG yes the dopamine rush is a real thing. I was hooked on Tinder for while, it consumed me just like Tiktok to the point of where I would get frustrated when matches didn't come in at a period. That explains a lot.
Tinder is toxic and just makes people focus on more superficial things when looking for a partner. Just like pretty much every other dating app out there.
I did actually manage to find a partner online, but online dating is very hard -- for both genders, but for very different reasons. This video outlines the straight man's prospective, which is a lot of having to pay for meager interactions and eventual self image issues. As a straight woman, I would get so barraged with messages I couldn't keep up and it became so stressful I would have to turn off my profile for most of the year. And I'm not even close to a 10 attractive wise. Hearing that it's 9:1 men to women makes a lot of sense.
@@SinisterAnimationS I took the time to watch the video and understand the male perspective of online dating, despite being a woman. Maybe you should reread my comment and attempt some understanding as well. Neither extreme is a fun experience. And being understanding rather than insulting is more likely to land you a partner anyways. Best of luck out there.
Youre trying to dismiss what men go through is all this is typical of your type but the data shows that even the average of women get gassed up by hookups from dating apps and start over evaluating themselves thinking sex equals attraction.
I suspect the solution to this will be to vet the photos uploaded with AI to score them on their attractiveness before they even join. Unattractive men will be shadowbanned, won't even know and will pay up but women will find the numbers of messages from "creeps" go down as a result. Tinder has a vested interest to pander to what women want and if it's to remove messages from unattractive men, they'll do it.
think about it, why would Tinder want you to find a partner and make you finally delete the app? They'd just lose you as a customer and that's bad for business.
It’s like a casino. You need to let some people win from time to time to keep others interested... but the great majority will lose, and the only ones getting what they want are the casino’s owners, not the customers.
@@SatisfecteIIent early to mid twenty somethings say they met on tinder all the time. Maybe it’s just my social circle or local area cuz I know whoever’s attempting online dating in that rural of an area doesn’t even think about how they sound or else their profiles would be better written.
Lol I cried cause I'm over 30 😹. And paid for just one month. After only getting 1 like in 2 weeks, and seeing most these profiles are oddly same, I knew the app was full of shit. Definitely deleting it
@@mrdingles5107 There are rumors, though I don't know if they were proven, about fake profiles. The gender ratio is so skewed that Tinder has to create fake women to pad it out for free users.
@@marvira I mean of course I'm going to continue to use what I paid for. But not paying for another month and will be deleting it. Guess I'll just have to find a girl the og way
I've never been on Tinder as I was in a serious relationship since 2012 and have since married my wife. Going to sound like such an old person (even though I'm in my early 30s) but what happened to meeting people on nights out? Social groups? Parties? Heck what happened to just chatting up women you fancy when you're out and about? Worst that can happen is you get rejected, but for me that never bothered me coz you could always try again
Because that's what is seen as culturally the right thing to do these days is to go on tinder or whatever. The experience for men and women on tinder is completely different
“The worst thing they can do is reject you” has been proven to be false lmao there are many other things women can say or do that are worse than a rejection.
"Heck what happened to just chatting up women you fancy when you're out and about?" Have you heard woman talking about it in past 10 years? Cause I heard hitting on women in public spaces is creepy/gross/predatory/entitled, so I don't think it's best idea
These are all poor EXCUSES for not approaching women IRL. Who cares what they say about you?? Who cares if they say you're creepy?? YOU know the truth. "If you give yourself time to think of an excuse not to do something, you will find one." Sack up and start practicing approaching and chatting to women, first and foremost talk to them like human beings, not like someone you want to bang after 5 minutes of chatting.
I downloaded the app a while back I didn’t get any matches after 2.5 months. I saw an ad for the gold and I figured “fuck it I will pay for one month and see what happens.” I got a shit load of notifications saying I got liked but when I loaded in I never had any.I realized that they were lying to give false hope and uninstalled. I took a massive hit to my self esteem and got depressed. I have since realized I shouldn’t care what others think because I like myself and that’s all that matters. I still haven’t found a partner but only time will tell. After watching this I can’t help but be a little bit disappointed that I was supposed to get matches before and after gold as part of this scheme but didn’t… Again I don’t care about what others think and will keep searching for my future love no matter the odds! Keep strong out there!
You're the type of guy who will find your worth. Do it in person where you can control your environment more. There are great women out there not poisoned by computer culture.
Really great vid! A friend of mine “discovered” how the tinder algorithm worked and that made us buy the platinum subscription. It was just sad to see how many more matches you get. If you’re a free user, you are purposely put below the list of all accounts. Since the ratio of men compared to women is high, you can imagine that some girls won’t see your account at all while they could possibly like you if they only could see your profile. The economics of tinder is a sad reality, but it helped me meet my girlfriend in Covid times. Despite the pay to win scheme, there’s probably also a good side of tinder.
The invention of the Iphone & this App completely & changed dating for this generation for life. Both genders now view each other completely different, it killed real life interaction, bars, clubs or just public interactions, it's a damn shame.
I'm honestly kinda worried where this will take us. Look at countries like Japan or South Korea and their fast dwindling birth rates, I think that's us next.
It didn’t kill real life interaction at all in my experience. I still go out and meet women and get numbers no problem. But it did change the dynamic of dating overall.
As a Nightclub, bar, multiple restaurants and Lounge owner. That is highly incorrect. People are still interacting with fast hook-ups / one night stands and a lot of cheating including rotations. Matter of fact, it's exactly worse than dating apps. And ohhh boy, the unlimited stories that will blow you're mind.....
Just for people who are living their reality through the internet lol there’s still massive amounts of people who have found this entire thing silly as hell and just go about actual life,
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I am personally a strong believer that in-person interaction is the most genuine and meaningful way of starting a relationship with someone. I've also tried online dating once before through a different source and my first experience was so bad, my friends know it is why I will never try online dating again. Even today, despite the fact that my roommates all have tinder on their phones and have tried to encourage me to give it a try too, I still refuse to download tinder, or any dating app for that matter.
I feel the same way about psychiatrists. Happy people dont go to them. So why would they want to actually help their clients fully. It’s bad for their business
While I agree with the dark sides that are exposed in this video, I think the biggest issue with online dating is how it can overwhelm users with matches. Or it gives the users the feeling that there is someone better that you will match with soon. So you ended up having matches that do not talk to you or are not even interested in meeting in real life. And then people start judging each other for the only things that dating apps can show: looks and texts. We hardly spend time getting to know people anymore. We make a judgement of someone within 5 min or even 5 seconds. And that is just sad. I do message every match I get and try to meet them in real life. And unfortuately I also judge others based on their looks, but I try to get to know all my matches the best that I can.
@@petelee2477 you're not missing out on anything. Even with matches it near impossible to get a date. I finally lined one up and the girl blocked me the day we were going to meet up just out of the blue 😂 go meet people irl these apps are just bs. Even woman who I wouldn't go near at a bar or in the club reject me. It's like they literally want the impossible man. Because there's so many guys on there their heads are in the clouds
I still use Tinder mainly to chat with women and whatever happens it happens...but I never paid them anything....but I actually like the limited swipes, that way I know when to leave the app after a while
What's funny is I met my ex my first hour on another dating app. After such luck, when we broke up I went back on it for a bit and it seemed like the app was purposely sending me the opposite type of people because it saw how successful it was originally.
I had the exact same experience. First try on Tinder was a huge succes for me and I wonder if they read the messages that are exchanged between matches. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a team that scrolls through them. Anyway, he is an ex now but when I reinstalled Tinder, the matches were nowhere near what I had in the beginning. I should've trusted my gut feeling as this video explains so well the workings behind Tinder. I always felt something was off but brushed it aside.
As a moderately attractive British Asian man, I have had virtually no matches or interest on any of the dating apps. It gone on for many years, and been deeply hurtful.
I think Tinder (and its copycats) play a significant role in the increase of loneliness and falling birthrates. It has ruined dating for any unattractive man and massively inflates the self-worth of any (semi-attractive) woman, leading to a massive disparity between the self-value of each gender. I know a dozen couples who'd never have married (or even dated) each other if they'd used dating apps. I think most people would be happier if these dating apps didn't exist.
I think I am one of those semi attractive women you are referring to 😂😂. I used tinder for the first time around 2014 and the for the last time around 2016. There were just too many f-boys that just wanted ONS. And then I got played by someone who seemed super nice and it turns out he only wanted to cheat on his GF with me. That's when I left the platform and never looked back. I wouldn't say it has ever boosted my ego, quite the opposite. And I wouldn't put everything on looks. I constantly see beautiful girls dating ugly guys. The other way around not so much 🤔...
Basically most "average" women end up batting outside of their league with men who have enough options to not want to settle down with them in particular. (it's in every man's biology to be a "fuck boy", the only reason someone isn't is simply because it's not easily available to them). For the "average" men in turn the app is a dry wasteland with very few matches and they have to partake the pay2win mechanics to get anything out of it. So basically very few end users ultimately end up winning in this. The worst thing is that this poopoo has ended up seeping into the real world as well, as people burnt by the app (= basically a whole generation of people) have brought their newfound hangups and toxic ghosting culture with them. Dating is definitely not in a good place right now and these apps and other social media messing with people's brains are mostly to blame
@@maharaja101 lol the guy I was referring to looks like Gargamel and my friend referred to him as Goofy, because of his personality 😂😂😂. He had no money, no education, still lived at home with mommy and looked very- to below average. I see average dudes play awesome women all the time in my circle of friends. So not everyone... is batting "above" their league. I think the shy nerd that suddenly becomes confident, because a beautiful girl treats him like the hottest man alive and boosts his confidence, can just as much become an f-boy.
Fear not. Recent legislation will help ensure the birth rate can't be decreased due to a woman's personal choice, so all those Tinder oops mistakes will help pad the birthrate. A falling birthrate is the least of our problems.
It does not boost the self-worth of any gender. For a "semi-attractive" woman it does not help if a bunch of guys she is not interested in, find her appealing. She won't even notice them probably. It's pointless to argue whether no attention or a bad kind of attention is worse for your ego. It's just a different kind of sad. As a "semi-attractive" guy I can tell you that being liked by unattractive women is not a massive ego-boost.
I often wandered about the core conflict between keeping paying customers and matching people successfully. this is why free dating apps are fundamentally superior
Rule number one - never pay anything to find or meet anyone. Seriously. Stop pay a dime. You become the product. It is insane that you pay to be sold out.
An advice to my fellow millennials, don't give up in the old school way of matching. I've dated many thru those apps and none of these relationships lasted. The one that lasted was thru a birthday party of a friend. Old school but it's more genuine and honest. Go social dancing, meet people in bars, cafés, organised trips, hiking, etc.
The old fashioned way of meeting people will never die because we are social creatures and if you meet someone that’s mutually attractive or at least charming, it gives you a boost
I found the most significant 3 people I've dated off of dating apps. The advertising spams, price hikes, subscriptions and lack of matches ruined the app. If you don't love yourself, it probably multiplies the feeling of nobody liking you. Should be illegal
i feel bad for the people that spend their time going through ig and tinder or watching tiktok instead of watching ur contents and being nourished with knowledge
From my experience meeting people in person is way more effective then any dating app . It's a shame that in this day and age it seems like people would almost rather meet someone online vs meeting in person
Low risk. It's always verging towards the creepy zone just to meet people with the intention of dating. Most relationships start with a chance encounter and a violation of the workplace HR policy.
It kinds of depends on your lifestyle too. If you're super outgoing and extroverted, you'll be out and about all the time, so it's easier to meet people in person. If you're an introvert and have hobbies like reading, cooking, wood working, etc you're more likely to stay home and it's much easier to meet people online.
@Mr Ugly From what I've learned. Quick rejection is a good thing, at least for me. But gradual rejection is something that would hurt me and prob most people.
I'm actually well aware of this for a long time which is why I don't use any dating app or site. The few matches you do get seem fake and it's really just a swiping simulator. If you want to get a date you probably have a better chance of just going to a mall and asking a stranger. And to be fair with OF where you get actual interaction with someone I think Tinder is not going to be as big as it was before.
I'm not going to lie, I paid for the gold one month because I had some likes and I wanted to see who they were, I saw the girls, got some matches out of it and basically for the rest of the month it stayed pretty quiet around my account. The day after my gold ran out, I started getting a massive increase in likes again out of nowhere. I suspect that tinder either waited to show my likes or after my gold ran out started massively promoting my account so that I again would be curious to see the likes and get another month of gold.
This is something that's common with video games with microtransactions - commonly referred to as "make the problem and sell the solution". Essentially, the Tinder devs could easily make a platform without many of the problems of things like not having enough swipes, not getting noticed enough, that sort of jazz - but by limiting those things - making the problem - they can then turn a profit by selling the solution to the problem they created. As an example in a video game, they might limit your inventory space (even though it'd be more than easy enough for them to give you a huge amount of space), and then sell you the option to get more inventory space.
I think it has made relationships harder to get for average looking people, because now, beautiful people seems so close to you but yet so far so theres a dream. That makes the average beauty standart way higher and harder to reach.
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Tinder suddenly banned me and I don't know why. They refused to disclose which rule(s) specifically I violated with what, when, how, or to whom. There was also never any warning of any kind at any point.
I find it interesting which historical figures and companies you decide to morally judge harshly and which ones you give a pass for downright evil behavior.
a friend of mine has found a way to work the system in his favor to some extent. whenever someone is brand new to tinder, the algorithm doesn't know what the desirability score is, so it'll throw everything at you and throw your profile everywhere. so what he does when he stops getting matches, he resets. deletes his profile, buys a cheap, temporary new phone card and makes a new tinder account using that phone number. to the app, that's a brand new user, so data gathering starts from scratch. it's like starting ng+, but you already know some of the tricks. of course this only works for a while and you need to restart a new game over and over again, which is annoying and time consuming.
@@Jaikukki one of the main points is that Tinder tries to keep people from matching to keep people in the app, when Tinders algorithm prioritizes getting people more matches and more conversations.
i dropped out of high school and work with ppl who are twice my age. so not only do i have no friends, but my dating pool is nonexistent. so ofc i’ve found myself on apps like tinder, bumble, and hinge. worst experience of my life tbh. neverending sea of ghosting, hookup seekers, “situationship?”, and pervs who want to meet after two messages. i paid for bumble once i think for a week to go back to someone i accidentally swiped left on. and i lost the person anyway bc the app refreshed while i made the transaction. such a shitshow bc there’s really nothing else to meet new people.
I gave up on tinder ages ago. I'm a male in my early 30s. I was paying alot at one point, biggest confidence boost I ever got was 3 months of not a single like, not even the fake profiles or scammers. I'm over online dating when scummy companies like this exist and seem to be the only way for a disabled man to try find a date, well id rather stay single.
I don't know, I used to not like tinder because of rumors... I'm kind of a shy guy, I don't have a lot of relationship experience or nothing, and I'm not someone who goes out a lot, i like to know people a little before im able to open up... I decided to give tinder a try... now I'm talking to a really nice girl! We found that we have a lot in common and I'm excited to see what this could lead to!
Been binging all your videos this week and I couldn’t wait to see what your new video would be! Thanks for the information it’s so informative and entertaining as well.
Despite all the tricks used to get users hooked, I've made a couple attempts at making use of the app and have literally never recieved a match at any point.
Kind of a trend with a lot companies, everything starts out great and the product is wonderful and then as they begin to monetize for their shareholders. The once amazing product slowly gets watered down as more and more ads, microtransactions, and subscriptions start to pop. Starting to think this is just a business life cycle.
Sounds just like the street dealer game, the first hit's strong, while all the rest are watered down to keep customers hooked in search of the real stuff.
Both statements in the end are correct. Being a good business model in capitalist society is about maximizing the profit. To maximize their profit businesses often lose sight of their principles if these principles are about something else besides maximizing the profit.
this is soo true. I remember back in 2016-2019 I was pretty successful on dating apps then after 2020 when covid hit dating apps started to suck more. Less messages, matches and more bs. Coming from an average 5’11 guy
I'm not sure you are right about the attractive score thing exactly....when I did use the app, it felt like I would get several unattractive people before someone at least a 6 score would show up, just enough for me to swipe them. I also noticed that the moment I ran out of swipes, suddenly the very next one would be a 9 or 10 score with a perfect profile that looked exactly like someone I would want to marry. I think THIS is how they get you. I only used the app for like 4 months so it could just be a coincidence, but it sucked so bad I ended up deleting all of my dating apps....horrible when you only get 3 matches in 4 months and 2 of them ignore you, 1 of them ends up ghosting you after a week. Dating apps are for hookup culture, plain and simple....win-win really, company retains customers, customers get sex. I wish there was a better app to be honest.
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Hey legends, just wanna clarify something important… This video is NOT trying to say that Tinder as a whole is ‘evil’ or that you should boycott/delete the app. In fact, even though its been a while since I used it, when I did it was a very good experience.
However… it’s certainly interesting that one company owns so many of the biggest dating apps/sites. And definitely some of Tinder’s monetization tricks are pretty shady/manipulative. Plus some of the behind the scenes drama at Tinder is wild. Overall, I just found this a really interesting story, and hadn’t seen Tinder’s story covered fully before.
In short: the tinder story is pretty crazy and I think you’ll enjoy it. But that definitely doesn’t mean you should never use it if you want to. Just be aware of what their business model actually is.
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lol tinder is definitely manipulative and destructive to society as a whole LOL
Tinder has helped ruin dating. There is no argument against that.
i have an argument
shup kid@@emilxrd
I found my awesome wife on Tinder, no idea what you're talking about
It's literally the worst thing to happen to the dating world. Don't believe those 1/1000 success stories. There are 100 million bots and lonely souls you have to look past to reach any positive statistic.
@@lazymass you're one of the very rare cases or one of the early users.
I’m thankful I met my husband on Tinder back in October 2014. So the early days of Tinder. Unlimited swipes. Unlimited matches. No fees at all. My hubby and I were probably part of their algorithm letting Tinder know not to be so good at matching people because we met, fell in love and never needed the app again.
My wife and I met on POF. Either one of us wanted a spouse but 8 years later, house, (3) kids and dogs, that’s what we got. Go in with no expectations, put forth effort, and see what life has planned for you.
Used Tinder from about 2015-2017 mainly to meet new people, not really for dates or hook ups. It used to be a lot of fun, unlimited swipes, a large amount of people and a large amount of matches.
It seemed like overnight everything stopped. I would get matches but it went from about 20 a day to about 20 a month. And like the video said, I was pumped with tinder gold ads.
I’m cheap but I can see why people, especially men, would try it out and get stuck in the cycle.
4 years later, I’m off tinder and married to a woman I met the old fashioned way...
A shit talking Facebook group.
The likes stop because after a few days your profile stops being on top, they literally try to make you pay, and if you don't, your experience ends there.
But if you create a brand new account a few months later, you'll get a ton of likes again, so yeah, it's a waste of time, although i met some cool girls there.
@@anorthelondo6982 absolutely this. I did the same thing and watched my matches go back up, then down again. It’s a good sales funnel, but that’s about it.
We live in a society
Damn, meanwhile I was on the app from 2017 - til now and aside from about 100 dates I have nothing to show for it
No worries man, your woman has ridden the Tinder cock carousel for years before she decided to meet a dude the old fashioned way.
Bumble lately had an advert where they stopped even pretending to find you a partner. The slogan was "Fall in love...with dating".
This is completely ridicolous, I tell everyone to stay away, but they say I am crazy
Now their ads say "find what you're looking for on bumble" with this really socially awkward looking kid.
I have tried bumble recently and...they give you like 20 free swipe rights per day lol.
You didn’t even mention how Tinder unmatches people when they are getting too close, but haven’t exchanged numbers once. It happened to me once. They didn’t even unmatch it from her end so it looked like I just ghosted her. I only know this because I suspected something was up, tracked her down on Facebook, and asked her. A little creepy I know, but still. She even showed me screenshots of our message history taken after Tinder had unmatched us on their end. So yeah, Tinder will actually unmatch people who haven’t exchanged contact info in order to keep them on the app. It’s super messed up.
Wow lol, that's even more horrible. Too bad we don't live in a world where these scummy tactics could be actually punished.
I thought I was crazy for thinking this, uninstalled the app a while ago but there were several instances where I was talking to a person everything going great, then all of a sudden poof their gone. I was like how? It was going perfect, had a feeling it was deliberate
Did u end up dating her?
not creepy. happened to me a couple of times. i dont use tinder anymore.
Lol didn't didn't unmatch u she did and lied to u
The best time to use an app does tend to be in the beginning when it's running on investor money and more focused on amassing users than making a profit. The secret is not to get hooked on the free samples and to be prepared to leave once the terms of the arrangement have been altered as they usually just keep getting worse over time.
yes indeed
Sometimes they deserve a bit of money too, i mean ur not paying to download it. I don't mind paying if an app is good, but Tinder is so shit nowadays all they care about is money
I totally agree. I found my gf on hinge at the very beginning of the app. Nowadays I wouldn't have a chance
Giving solution to an existing problem: that's fair
Creating a problem and offering a solution: that's unfair
Creating a problem, *hiding you doing that*, and then offering a solution: now that's manipulative
Tinder did/does the latter.
When you market something, you first need to present a problem people didn't know they had.
Then you sell them the solution.
@@Thelango99 there's a difference between creating a problem and it existing and people not being aware of it.
@@galgrunfeld9954 True.
Coming from the MMORPG gaming genre where they deliberately lower the exp you get so that you buy EXP boost, create a problem - sell the solution.
Been like this in gaming since 2010, just spreading into more areas now, nothing new
@@Thelango99 problem, reaction, solution
The culture this app has created is crazy.. I feel bad for those younger who will never know a dating scene without it
its not that popular between youngsters ;)
You can date without Tinder lol most people use it for a week or a month only then forget it for a whole year
I use tinder to find sex, its a tool that helps a lot!
I don't pay for it, I make a profile that screams "Hook up only" and I get a meaningful match once every 2 weeks, if I'm swiping.
It’s more an effect of having no dating scene than a cause.
@@pedrojioia me, that me. I think I deleted my account I think
I feel bad for the lonely souls that pay $39,99 for a dating app.
Hey bro I pay for that
i mean, it's their money
Their money their choice.
It's $20/month here 😄
I don’t feel bad for them… Simply stop using Tinder.
As soon as saw Tinder making people pay for boosts, I declared it a scam and stopped using it
When I was thinking about deleting the app, it kept spamming me with "you got a match" even tho there was nothing when I opened it. Seems to be pure scam nowadays sadly. Can't recommend even to test it by now.
Never had much success with tinder, rather gave me depression and a low selfesteem.
great vid :)
Yup your experience is quite the same with most people. But no one wants to talk about it. Stay off the apps pal!
Uh uh, that's pretty much how it is for any ''normal'' guy
Same!
As a not so attractive introverted man, tinder wreaked havoc to my self-confidence. After knowing the ratio of men to women on tinder, I realised I may not be so undesirable after all.
Yeah me too and made me also loose the will the live lol
Agree. I find tinder quite depressing.
I ran the numbers. Thousands of profiles I swiped through and not a single match. According to the statistics on tinder I am the most unattractive man alive. So don't feel too bad.
Bro its literally designed to do that, do not let it mess with you. I was on Tinder in 2014-15 and it was a freaking blast. Tons of matches, real women not OF girls and hookers, 90% of women messaged back. They had a feature that let you see how long its been since they were active. They took that away..on purpose. Most of the accounts you swipe on have been dead for months or even years. There is most definitely a pay-wall keeping you from getting matches.
@@OhioBahn440 as some one who has dumped thousands into dating apps, the money doesn't work. Still got a total of zero dates. Money can't fix fugly.
the original definition of "tinder" is: "something used to start a fire."
the app changes this definition by inserting the word "dumpster" into the sixth position.
You must be a coder
They're not in business to make relationships, they're in business to make money. That is the only purpose of any business EVER, by definition. People tend to forget that and, enter Tinder.
I'm old enough to remember to golden days of online dating where people actually met and were interested in getting to know one another... Tinder didn't kill that experience... The Match Group did!
Match group?
@@g3ar75 back in like 2018 you can link people with you and then you’d be in the group tab where you can swipe on groups of people, matches were like a group chat
@@_numb thanks for explaining
People still do that
When you date someone you met on Tinder, you're getting into a relationship with someone who very likely has an addiction and will likely never delete the app or will try to re-install it at some point behind your back. Data speaks volumes and it shows the success of relationships that started on dating apps is FAR lower than that of people who met another way.
Exactly
I think this too
Hmm, I don't know. Maybe these people's would have just been single otherwise instead of being in a short relationship
That’s why you never take people serious off of dating apps
@@tomlxyz why are you saying that with a wording like you think person who has myriad short relationships isn't low quality person?
Please don't be like Jake Tran. I love this channel so much. Thank you for exposing Tinder
whats wrong with jake tran
@@babatundeali232 started promoting dodgy companies and projects to his fans, after exposing similar companies
@@babatundeali232 constant promotions, different narrators, promotions to memberships & promoting dodgy apps is what's wrong with him.
Yessssss listen to him!
I wanted to say the same thing. The naming of videos are absurd just like Jake
In the first months i got some matches and met like 3 or 4 people. It was like 2016 and most woman i matched with, wanted to write at least 2 weeks before meeting. Usually some personal attraction was build within those 2 weeks and when meeting first time, we both quickly developed feelings for each other, only to realize soon after that we kinda developed feelings for the Tinder-character, instead for the real person. We quickly realized that we're not made for each other and went on. There is a big gap between a humans real charakter and its digital character.
Soon after and shortly before Covid started i noticed getting less and less matches, up to the point in which i would gain literally zero likes and zero matches. I noticed that most of the people, who were shown to me, didnt fit my preferences. Today its nearly impossible for me to find some woman, who seems nice to me and at the same time im not getting any likes. This experience is almost exactly as described in your video.
I liked the idea of dating apps, since i'm shy when I wanna start a conversation with people, who i want to have more then friendship. Now i think that Tinder and other dating apps are actually a downgrade for confidence and general dating experience.
This!!! Meeting someone in person is a whole different ballgame. People are very different when they don't have the chance to edit everything they're going to say.
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here's another secret, delete your account and make a new one everytime it gets super dry, since the algorithm helps newly made accounts, you're welcome
That doesn't work like that, you'll have to wait a few weeks to change the algorithms, that's guaranteed, they're not dumb.
@@anorthelondo6982 it works for me for both tinder and bumble
@Sad officier K even after deleting your account?
This whole entire episode confused the sh!t out of me and overwhelmed me. My eyeballs hurt. My brain is fried🤯
As an older millennial, this video really concerns me.
My message to the young men reading this. Don't be a Pawn in someone else's chess game (Tinder for example). Make people play by your rules and your game. Here's How:
1) Get good at a skill/craft that is not video games (Good career, Martial arts, Programming, Ballroom dancing, Cooking etc) - YOU become the "Man in Demand"
2) Talk to the girl that finds your craft interesting (attraction is based on something more than looks alone)
3) You arrange a date by asking her out verbally and in person (More powerful and gives her the butterflies)
4) Plan out your date and take it from there (Show preparation and leadership)
I'm a happily married man. I am also a mid manager at a Fortune 50 company, Karate black belt, BJJ practitioner, Latin and ballroom dance instructor. Focus on building skills that make you marketable because as this tinder story shows, no-one will help a man find success. In fact, they take advantage of a man's desperation.
Good luck
If I ever feel too good about myself, 20 mins on tinder solves that problem…
Narration is awesome! Love the speed at which you develop the story. It’s witty, interesting (even captivating, like a whodunnit), and it really shows the fracture between the stated objective and the real intent.
I knew there was a reason I never wanted tinder. Thank you for sharing with us bud.
OMG yes the dopamine rush is a real thing. I was hooked on Tinder for while, it consumed me just like Tiktok to the point of where I would get frustrated when matches didn't come in at a period. That explains a lot.
Ur a women or chad
I really wonder how you can get a rush like that. I also find the swipe feature a really dumb one.
Tinder is toxic and just makes people focus on more superficial things when looking for a partner. Just like pretty much every other dating app out there.
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Should have seizure warning tbh
I did actually manage to find a partner online, but online dating is very hard -- for both genders, but for very different reasons. This video outlines the straight man's prospective, which is a lot of having to pay for meager interactions and eventual self image issues. As a straight woman, I would get so barraged with messages I couldn't keep up and it became so stressful I would have to turn off my profile for most of the year. And I'm not even close to a 10 attractive wise. Hearing that it's 9:1 men to women makes a lot of sense.
Woe is you , what peril it is to have so much options you feel stress that you’re being perceived as so attractive….also tinder is around 200: 1
Woe is you , what peril it is to have so much options you feel stress that you’re being perceived as so attractive….also tinder is around 200: 1
@@SinisterAnimationS I took the time to watch the video and understand the male perspective of online dating, despite being a woman. Maybe you should reread my comment and attempt some understanding as well. Neither extreme is a fun experience. And being understanding rather than insulting is more likely to land you a partner anyways. Best of luck out there.
Youre trying to dismiss what men go through is all this is typical of your type but the data shows that even the average of women get gassed up by hookups from dating apps and start over evaluating themselves thinking sex equals attraction.
I suspect the solution to this will be to vet the photos uploaded with AI to score them on their attractiveness before they even join. Unattractive men will be shadowbanned, won't even know and will pay up but women will find the numbers of messages from "creeps" go down as a result. Tinder has a vested interest to pander to what women want and if it's to remove messages from unattractive men, they'll do it.
think about it, why would Tinder want you to find a partner and make you finally delete the app? They'd just lose you as a customer and that's bad for business.
It’s like a casino. You need to let some people win from time to time to keep others interested... but the great majority will lose, and the only ones getting what they want are the casino’s owners, not the customers.
If it helps you get married, you'll forever be their spokesperson. Even your grandkids will know about it whenever you tell them where you met
@@hello-friend990 No you won’t. most people are embarrassed to say they met on tinder or a dating app. It sounds shallow and superficial
@@SatisfecteIIent early to mid twenty somethings say they met on tinder all the time. Maybe it’s just my social circle or local area cuz I know whoever’s attempting online dating in that rural of an area doesn’t even think about how they sound or else their profiles would be better written.
@@hello-friend990 cap
"You were getting matches, the conversations were fun, And you were thinking how great and easy this is"
Yeah, cant relate
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Being on Tinder gives me this feeling of forced connection through algorithm and subscription instead of organic encounters.
Hahaha the "if you are male over 30 you pay more" made me laugh so much.
Lol I cried cause I'm over 30 😹. And paid for just one month. After only getting 1 like in 2 weeks, and seeing most these profiles are oddly same, I knew the app was full of shit. Definitely deleting it
@@mrdingles5107 There are rumors, though I don't know if they were proven, about fake profiles. The gender ratio is so skewed that Tinder has to create fake women to pad it out for free users.
@@mrdingles5107 deleted or just decided to delete but not yet?😂😂 I think tinder is too addicting to be deleted if you dont have a partner
@@marvira I mean of course I'm going to continue to use what I paid for. But not paying for another month and will be deleting it. Guess I'll just have to find a girl the og way
@@mrdingles5107 best of luck, sir!
my history with tinder is very short. i saw ads in-between profiles, realized how it makes money, and uninstalled it forever. that was in 2016.
I didnt even watch 20 seconds of the video, and I was shocked how good your editing is
I've never been on Tinder as I was in a serious relationship since 2012 and have since married my wife. Going to sound like such an old person (even though I'm in my early 30s) but what happened to meeting people on nights out? Social groups? Parties? Heck what happened to just chatting up women you fancy when you're out and about? Worst that can happen is you get rejected, but for me that never bothered me coz you could always try again
Because that's what is seen as culturally the right thing to do these days is to go on tinder or whatever. The experience for men and women on tinder is completely different
“The worst thing they can do is reject you” has been proven to be false lmao there are many other things women can say or do that are worse than a rejection.
"Heck what happened to just chatting up women you fancy when you're out and about?"
Have you heard woman talking about it in past 10 years? Cause I heard hitting on women in public spaces is creepy/gross/predatory/entitled, so I don't think it's best idea
These are all poor EXCUSES for not approaching women IRL. Who cares what they say about you?? Who cares if they say you're creepy?? YOU know the truth. "If you give yourself time to think of an excuse not to do something, you will find one." Sack up and start practicing approaching and chatting to women, first and foremost talk to them like human beings, not like someone you want to bang after 5 minutes of chatting.
@@rocknrollspartacusdude, if they get you fired/expelled/ excommunicated it does matter.
I'm so glad I used online dating apps and met my wife on Bumble before they were an exploitative, monetization shit storm.
I downloaded the app a while back I didn’t get any matches after 2.5 months. I saw an ad for the gold and I figured “fuck it I will pay for one month and see what happens.” I got a shit load of notifications saying I got liked but when I loaded in I never had any.I realized that they were lying to give false hope and uninstalled. I took a massive hit to my self esteem and got depressed. I have since realized I shouldn’t care what others think because I like myself and that’s all that matters. I still haven’t found a partner but only time will tell. After watching this I can’t help but be a little bit disappointed that I was supposed to get matches before and after gold as part of this scheme but didn’t… Again I don’t care about what others think and will keep searching for my future love no matter the odds! Keep strong out there!
You're the type of guy who will find your worth. Do it in person where you can control your environment more. There are great women out there not poisoned by computer culture.
Really great vid! A friend of mine “discovered” how the tinder algorithm worked and that made us buy the platinum subscription. It was just sad to see how many more matches you get. If you’re a free user, you are purposely put below the list of all accounts. Since the ratio of men compared to women is high, you can imagine that some girls won’t see your account at all while they could possibly like you if they only could see your profile. The economics of tinder is a sad reality, but it helped me meet my girlfriend in Covid times. Despite the pay to win scheme, there’s probably also a good side of tinder.
The algorithm just blessed me by recommending this video. The quality is insane, keep it up!
The invention of the Iphone & this App completely & changed dating for this generation for life. Both genders now view each other completely different, it killed real life interaction, bars, clubs or just public interactions, it's a damn shame.
I'm honestly kinda worried where this will take us. Look at countries like Japan or South Korea and their fast dwindling birth rates, I think that's us next.
It didn’t kill real life interaction at all in my experience. I still go out and meet women and get numbers no problem. But it did change the dynamic of dating overall.
@@blacklite911 It’s actually pretty easy to get numbers in real life as long as you come across as a fun, likable person.
As a Nightclub, bar, multiple restaurants and Lounge owner. That is highly incorrect. People are still interacting with fast hook-ups / one night stands and a lot of cheating including rotations. Matter of fact, it's exactly worse than dating apps. And ohhh boy, the unlimited stories that will blow you're mind.....
Just for people who are living their reality through the internet lol there’s still massive amounts of people who have found this entire thing silly as hell and just go about actual life,
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I am personally a strong believer that in-person interaction is the most genuine and meaningful way of starting a relationship with someone. I've also tried online dating once before through a different source and my first experience was so bad, my friends know it is why I will never try online dating again. Even today, despite the fact that my roommates all have tinder on their phones and have tried to encourage me to give it a try too, I still refuse to download tinder, or any dating app for that matter.
I want this topic to be covered! Thank you for covering this! Super quality content!
I feel like saying love is the "most fundamental human emotion" is gonna contribute to that stigma that you need to love to be healthy, to be human.
Again a very impressive editing coupled with great storytelling. Always a pleasure !
From comments from reddit, tinder employees would sometimes talk to people who paid the subscription but didn't get the matches they were promised
I stopped using Tinder 3 years ago and went back to meeting women face to face… at grocery stores! It’s been the best experience 💯
😂😂
I feel the same way about psychiatrists. Happy people dont go to them. So why would they want to actually help their clients fully. It’s bad for their business
While I agree with the dark sides that are exposed in this video, I think the biggest issue with online dating is how it can overwhelm users with matches. Or it gives the users the feeling that there is someone better that you will match with soon. So you ended up having matches that do not talk to you or are not even interested in meeting in real life.
And then people start judging each other for the only things that dating apps can show: looks and texts. We hardly spend time getting to know people anymore. We make a judgement of someone within 5 min or even 5 seconds. And that is just sad. I do message every match I get and try to meet them in real life. And unfortuately I also judge others based on their looks, but I try to get to know all my matches the best that I can.
I have never gotten a single match on tinder so the idea of being overwhelmed with options is absurd
@@petelee2477 you're not missing out on anything. Even with matches it near impossible to get a date. I finally lined one up and the girl blocked me the day we were going to meet up just out of the blue 😂 go meet people irl these apps are just bs. Even woman who I wouldn't go near at a bar or in the club reject me. It's like they literally want the impossible man. Because there's so many guys on there their heads are in the clouds
I still use Tinder mainly to chat with women and whatever happens it happens...but I never paid them anything....but I actually like the limited swipes, that way I know when to leave the app after a while
i like the limeted swipes because it makes me actually really consider if I like someone
What's funny is I met my ex my first hour on another dating app. After such luck, when we broke up I went back on it for a bit and it seemed like the app was purposely sending me the opposite type of people because it saw how successful it was originally.
I had the exact same experience. First try on Tinder was a huge succes for me and I wonder if they read the messages that are exchanged between matches. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a team that scrolls through them. Anyway, he is an ex now but when I reinstalled Tinder, the matches were nowhere near what I had in the beginning. I should've trusted my gut feeling as this video explains so well the workings behind Tinder. I always felt something was off but brushed it aside.
Oh yes. Exactly that too. A few years ago Tinder would actually try to show you people with similar interests. Now it is the opposite
As a moderately attractive British Asian man, I have had virtually no matches or interest on any of the dating apps. It gone on for many years, and been deeply hurtful.
I know 4 people who got married after meeting on tinder but I can't even get a match 😅
Tinder/ other dating apps messed up this generation and the future of finding a relationship
I think Tinder (and its copycats) play a significant role in the increase of loneliness and falling birthrates. It has ruined dating for any unattractive man and massively inflates the self-worth of any (semi-attractive) woman, leading to a massive disparity between the self-value of each gender. I know a dozen couples who'd never have married (or even dated) each other if they'd used dating apps. I think most people would be happier if these dating apps didn't exist.
I think I am one of those semi attractive women you are referring to 😂😂. I used tinder for the first time around 2014 and the for the last time around 2016. There were just too many f-boys that just wanted ONS. And then I got played by someone who seemed super nice and it turns out he only wanted to cheat on his GF with me. That's when I left the platform and never looked back. I wouldn't say it has ever boosted my ego, quite the opposite. And I wouldn't put everything on looks. I constantly see beautiful girls dating ugly guys. The other way around not so much 🤔...
Basically most "average" women end up batting outside of their league with men who have enough options to not want to settle down with them in particular. (it's in every man's biology to be a "fuck boy", the only reason someone isn't is simply because it's not easily available to them).
For the "average" men in turn the app is a dry wasteland with very few matches and they have to partake the pay2win mechanics to get anything out of it.
So basically very few end users ultimately end up winning in this. The worst thing is that this poopoo has ended up seeping into the real world as well, as people burnt by the app (= basically a whole generation of people) have brought their newfound hangups and toxic ghosting culture with them. Dating is definitely not in a good place right now and these apps and other social media messing with people's brains are mostly to blame
@@maharaja101 lol the guy I was referring to looks like Gargamel and my friend referred to him as Goofy, because of his personality 😂😂😂. He had no money, no education, still lived at home with mommy and looked very- to below average. I see average dudes play awesome women all the time in my circle of friends. So not everyone... is batting "above" their league. I think the shy nerd that suddenly becomes confident, because a beautiful girl treats him like the hottest man alive and boosts his confidence, can just as much become an f-boy.
Fear not. Recent legislation will help ensure the birth rate can't be decreased due to a woman's personal choice, so all those Tinder oops mistakes will help pad the birthrate. A falling birthrate is the least of our problems.
It does not boost the self-worth of any gender. For a "semi-attractive" woman it does not help if a bunch of guys she is not interested in, find her appealing. She won't even notice them probably. It's pointless to argue whether no attention or a bad kind of attention is worse for your ego. It's just a different kind of sad.
As a "semi-attractive" guy I can tell you that being liked by unattractive women is not a massive ego-boost.
I really knew much of this already. but this pushed me over the edge. Tinder has been deleted.
I often wandered about the core conflict between keeping paying customers and matching people successfully. this is why free dating apps are fundamentally superior
Rule number one - never pay anything to find or meet anyone. Seriously. Stop pay a dime. You become the product. It is insane that you pay to be sold out.
An advice to my fellow millennials, don't give up in the old school way of matching. I've dated many thru those apps and none of these relationships lasted. The one that lasted was thru a birthday party of a friend. Old school but it's more genuine and honest. Go social dancing, meet people in bars, cafés, organised trips, hiking, etc.
The old fashioned way of meeting people will never die because we are social creatures and if you meet someone that’s mutually attractive or at least charming, it gives you a boost
I met my husband at church. Talk about old school!😆😄🤣
Glad it worked for you. For me it doesn't. People from my generation are dead inside and as I age it just becomes harder and harder to meet people.
I found the most significant 3 people I've dated off of dating apps. The advertising spams, price hikes, subscriptions and lack of matches ruined the app. If you don't love yourself, it probably multiplies the feeling of nobody liking you. Should be illegal
I just ended my subscription … seems like tinder is trying to make up the lost money due to lawsuits in my opinion
The Fact that they monetized people’s feelings and discriminated against people thoroughly disgusts me.
i feel bad for the people that spend their time going through ig and tinder or watching tiktok instead of watching ur contents and being nourished with knowledge
It's so good to have this finally explained
From my experience meeting people in person is way more effective then any dating app . It's a shame that in this day and age it seems like people would almost rather meet someone online vs meeting in person
Low risk. It's always verging towards the creepy zone just to meet people with the intention of dating.
Most relationships start with a chance encounter and a violation of the workplace HR policy.
It kinds of depends on your lifestyle too. If you're super outgoing and extroverted, you'll be out and about all the time, so it's easier to meet people in person. If you're an introvert and have hobbies like reading, cooking, wood working, etc you're more likely to stay home and it's much easier to meet people online.
@Mr Ugly From what I've learned. Quick rejection is a good thing, at least for me. But gradual rejection is something that would hurt me and prob most people.
Hey man how is your channel not in millions already u make such good videos! I never miss one
I'm actually well aware of this for a long time which is why I don't use any dating app or site. The few matches you do get seem fake and it's really just a swiping simulator.
If you want to get a date you probably have a better chance of just going to a mall and asking a stranger. And to be fair with OF where you get actual interaction with someone I think Tinder is not going to be as big as it was before.
I'm not going to lie, I paid for the gold one month because I had some likes and I wanted to see who they were, I saw the girls, got some matches out of it and basically for the rest of the month it stayed pretty quiet around my account. The day after my gold ran out, I started getting a massive increase in likes again out of nowhere. I suspect that tinder either waited to show my likes or after my gold ran out started massively promoting my account so that I again would be curious to see the likes and get another month of gold.
When u have to pay tiers for a dating service you know its a scam
I have watched most of your videos now, and they are all incredible. Bravo, friend!
This is something that's common with video games with microtransactions - commonly referred to as "make the problem and sell the solution". Essentially, the Tinder devs could easily make a platform without many of the problems of things like not having enough swipes, not getting noticed enough, that sort of jazz - but by limiting those things - making the problem - they can then turn a profit by selling the solution to the problem they created.
As an example in a video game, they might limit your inventory space (even though it'd be more than easy enough for them to give you a huge amount of space), and then sell you the option to get more inventory space.
I think it has made relationships harder to get for average looking people, because now, beautiful people seems so close to you but yet so far so theres a dream. That makes the average beauty standart way higher and harder to reach.
The editing, the information, the research, the presentation and the storytelling itself, hats down for this great quality, can't believe this is actually free.
PS: please don't become like Jake Tran, from which I just unsubscribed a while ago.
Well the channel is investing on their branding by quality. So why not?
Tinder suddenly banned me and I don't know why. They refused to disclose which rule(s) specifically I violated with what, when, how, or to whom. There was also never any warning of any kind at any point.
Never used it but seen the effect on people
This and the Netflix video earned you another subscriber. A+ editing and storytelling.
I met my girl in a date app without paying and we are so happy together. Just don't pay for this crap and eventually, you will find somebody
I find it interesting which historical figures and companies you decide to morally judge harshly and which ones you give a pass for downright evil behavior.
i lost it at "you were getting matches" hahaha good one :,)
a friend of mine has found a way to work the system in his favor to some extent. whenever someone is brand new to tinder, the algorithm doesn't know what the desirability score is, so it'll throw everything at you and throw your profile everywhere. so what he does when he stops getting matches, he resets. deletes his profile, buys a cheap, temporary new phone card and makes a new tinder account using that phone number. to the app, that's a brand new user, so data gathering starts from scratch. it's like starting ng+, but you already know some of the tricks. of course this only works for a while and you need to restart a new game over and over again, which is annoying and time consuming.
It works also with the same number I think, did it many times, usually works fine fo 2 weeks
As a software engineer at Tinder there is a lot of misinformation in this video.
Feel free to elaborate.
@@Jaikukki one of the main points is that Tinder tries to keep people from matching to keep people in the app, when Tinders algorithm prioritizes getting people more matches and more conversations.
Even when I'm aware of the stories you post I still watch yours bcos its more in depth, entertaining and I learn a lot. Well done!
bot account lol
i dropped out of high school and work with ppl who are twice my age. so not only do i have no friends, but my dating pool is nonexistent. so ofc i’ve found myself on apps like tinder, bumble, and hinge. worst experience of my life tbh. neverending sea of ghosting, hookup seekers, “situationship?”, and pervs who want to meet after two messages. i paid for bumble once i think for a week to go back to someone i accidentally swiped left on. and i lost the person anyway bc the app refreshed while i made the transaction. such a shitshow bc there’s really nothing else to meet new people.
I gave up on tinder ages ago. I'm a male in my early 30s. I was paying alot at one point, biggest confidence boost I ever got was 3 months of not a single like, not even the fake profiles or scammers.
I'm over online dating when scummy companies like this exist and seem to be the only way for a disabled man to try find a date, well id rather stay single.
Hugs
@@reddreobri1621 thanks man, honestly dating sites are just there to make money so it shouldn't have surprised me.
... and now Tinder have released a $499 / month subscription tier!!! 😮
I don't know, I used to not like tinder because of rumors... I'm kind of a shy guy, I don't have a lot of relationship experience or nothing, and I'm not someone who goes out a lot, i like to know people a little before im able to open up... I decided to give tinder a try... now I'm talking to a really nice girl! We found that we have a lot in common and I'm excited to see what this could lead to!
Don't get your hopes up bro.
Did you break up?
This channel is so underrated for the level of quality these videos have
Been binging all your videos this week and I couldn’t wait to see what your new video would be! Thanks for the information it’s so informative and entertaining as well.
Despite all the tricks used to get users hooked, I've made a couple attempts at making use of the app and have literally never recieved a match at any point.
Kind of a trend with a lot companies, everything starts out great and the product is wonderful and then as they begin to monetize for their shareholders. The once amazing product slowly gets watered down as more and more ads, microtransactions, and subscriptions start to pop. Starting to think this is just a business life cycle.
Sounds just like the street dealer game, the first hit's strong, while all the rest are watered down to keep customers hooked in search of the real stuff.
Both statements in the end are correct. Being a good business model in capitalist society is about maximizing the profit. To maximize their profit businesses often lose sight of their principles if these principles are about something else besides maximizing the profit.
this is soo true. I remember back in 2016-2019 I was pretty successful on dating apps then after 2020 when covid hit dating apps started to suck more. Less messages, matches and more bs. Coming from an average 5’11 guy
The edit is insane!! All the videos! You are doing an amazing job
I'm not sure you are right about the attractive score thing exactly....when I did use the app, it felt like I would get several unattractive people before someone at least a 6 score would show up, just enough for me to swipe them. I also noticed that the moment I ran out of swipes, suddenly the very next one would be a 9 or 10 score with a perfect profile that looked exactly like someone I would want to marry. I think THIS is how they get you. I only used the app for like 4 months so it could just be a coincidence, but it sucked so bad I ended up deleting all of my dating apps....horrible when you only get 3 matches in 4 months and 2 of them ignore you, 1 of them ends up ghosting you after a week.
Dating apps are for hookup culture, plain and simple....win-win really, company retains customers, customers get sex. I wish there was a better app to be honest.
This is exactly what happened to me just now. Once my swipes ran out, bang comes a 9/10
It's like finding love in a hopeless place.