The Most Common Mistake Piano Beginners Make
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- Do you ever wonder how some can easily learn a whole piano piece in just weeks while it takes months for most to learn? In this lesson, we will talk about poor piano practices and three ways to correct this. I have acquired a cute assistant to help explain the lesson, so be sure to watch until the very end.
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0:00 Intro
1:40 Cute Foreword
3:00 Analogy on How & Why
5:04 Practice Technique 1
6:55 Practice Technique 2
7:50 Practice Technique 3
8:15 Milo Ends the Lesson
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I will practice the same difficult bar or two over and over if I have to. That jump from the B-octave in Chopin's E minor Prelude: I spent an hour a day just repeating the two measures from the B-octave to the A-minor chord, just over and over and over. Comforting to know that's actually considered a practice technique - I thought I just had OCD, lol.
Those jumps are sooooo stressful....
I've wanted to try and learn some Chopin pieces bit they kinda intimdate me. Like I can't read sheet ,using at all so I usually just listen to it or watch some else play it but for the pieces I want to learn they just seem way to far above my level.
Same
I get really annoyed when my bandmates get mad at me for playing the same guitar part over and over when learning a new song but it's just because I have trouble remembering parts and repeating them helps me memorize the part
Wow. I do it for days. I think it does have to do with having a disorder tho I have autism xD
Another thing that I've noticed when practicing, is that sometimes I would practice bars 5-8 and bars 9-12. But then when it came time to actually play the piece, I would always mess up on the transition between 8 and 9.
So make sure instead of practicing in discrete sections, you overlap your practice chunks.
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Yes! If I am doing a specific section, I always play through the first note or two of the following section.
Practising technique is important and repeating duffucult parts a few times makes for a better result than just trying to play to the end. I myself loved the sound of the piece but bettet to practice and perfect difficult parts before playing from start to finish. On a different note my dogs love to hear my play instead of hearing thunder or fireworks.
Same! Transitions are often overlooked in practicing apps.
I'm using an old Casio synth with built-in lessons; it holds a bunch of songs and finger excersices, split into logical phrases. Each phrase is practiced separately (with R, L, LR select); then one can practice a "ladder" step-up progression: try to play phrases 1-2, then 1-2-3, then 1-2-3-4, etc. But sadly, it doesn't offer to practice them in pairs (2-3, 3-4), and the latter parts gets much less attention. Also hate to listen to intro each time (
@@user-se5qr8zr8l Wow, how does it transmit the lessons to you? Does it have a screen?
"Think like the producer not like the consumer" is probably the best advice I've ever heard. Well said Jazer Lee!
I always considered any learning process as a project. Setting goals, decomposition, identifying weak spots, overcoming difficulties and researching own habits/biases/chokes, tracking progress, etc.
I am 65 and retiring at the end of next week. One of my goals is to relearn and build on the piano skills I had in my youth. I took lessons for about 8 years, but never did anything serious after high school. I have been doing self-teaching for a few months to get ready for my retirement piano adventure. I will be using your techniques immediately in my practice time. I have been using a bit of the "no pedal" for awhile, but I never thought of the "no rhythm" method. I am working on Mozart's "rondo alla turca" and have a couple of rough spots that I tend too gloss over, but this should help me correct some bad habits. Thank you for the video and excellent advice.
You are very welcome, Larry. Congratulations on your retirement! 🤓
This guy such a great teacher. He's so insightful and always puts himself in the place of the student.
He also covers a wide range of nuances pertaining to learning the instrument, which I find extremely helpful for students to move forward.
He's truly one of the best.
When I see your videos I 1) watch it and 2) play something. It's a good reminder to go play. Thanks Jazer.
You asked for it. So here it is - your handy dandy Timestamps 🤓
🕘 Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:40 Cute Foreword
3:00 Analogy on How & Why
5:04 Practice Technique 1
6:55 Practice Technique 2
7:50 Practice Technique 3
8:15 Milo Ends the Lesson
Good evening sir I'm your biggest fan you are so good thank you for this tutorial 😊
I just bought a piano. What's the first thing I should do? I know absolutely nothing but I really wanna play....
@@stellaartois303 id pick a good piece you like and think you could learn. Thats what i did
@@stellaartois303 Find the tutorials for beginners in this channel. There are several. 🤓
Milo is tooooo cute!!!!
Milo is adorable.
Thanks, Jazer. I've been playing piano for almost 60 years and found this out through the school of hard knocks. I have a friend who won 1st place in the Tchaikovsky piano competition years ago. He was also a piano professor at a local university. He sometimes spent a 1/2 hour on one measure of a difficult piece & was a stickler for perfection. I can spend months studying just one Dotzauer cello etude and still not get it the way I want it. How much "perfection" is perfect?
60 years! Go you! Nice work!
Yes, but at some point if you spend most of your practice time taking apart and drilling the difficult parts then under pressure you may find you play only those difficult parts well (and unexpectedly make mistakes in easier sections where you didn't spend much rehearsal time.) Whole piece does need to be drilled regularly enough to get it in muscle memory unless maybe you have uncommon calm, non-anxious performance temperament.
Thanks! I'm definitely guilty of playing the entire piece.
I stumbled on a technique that I'm using now. I was having trouble playing a certain key combination from The Entertainer so I closed my eyes and played it several times--just feeling how it felt under my fingers. That helped me quite a bit.
Eyes closed is a great practice method. Good idea!
Ha! That “no rhythm practice” is me!! Not sure I’ll move past this. Thanks for great video. Great advice!
Lol.
Excellent video and not just for pianists. As an ex-pro dancer, we were taught that practice makes permanent as well as it takes doing the same thing on average 72 to become muscle memory. Meaning that if you practice the entire routine over and over, you aren't fixing your mistakes, you are making your mistakes muscle memory and it's a lot harder to unlearn something to perform it correctly than it is to learn it correctly from the start
Jazer, I learned about the 'three p's' from a sewing channel I follow. I've added a couple of p's of my own which I now apply to anything I want to achieve. My five p's are Planning, Preparation, Patience, Practise and Persistence. Thanks for the tips. As an absolute beginner I'm benefiting from your wisdom.
Thanks Jazer! I am 73 and just took up studying piano again. I studied a short time in my twenties but then didn't become interested again until recently after hearing some piano concertos and following some pianists who inspire me. It has become an obsession with me, not sure how it all happened but glad it did, and your lessens are a tremendous help! I have been studying for just one month and I feel happy with the progress I have made so far. I look forward to getting more tips from you as I become a more accomplished pianist! (By the way, what breed of puppy do you have? I think I want one!!)
I have noticed that on particularly difficult clips, which I may have a difficult time getting it perfect, I stop and take a break for a short time. Practicing it wrongly, I have found, is really counterproductive. Many times, when I come back from a short rest, the passage comes much easier.
Another great video. Thanks.
I'm the same, if I'm messing it up consistently, I stop, go onto something else, and then I come back and generally break the hard part down even smaller. Once my brain gets tripped up it's like it can't get out of the loop without stopping completely.
The first one speaks out a lot to the beginners. I played piano for atleast a year now. But what I do is: I play the peice and stop when I mess up. Then, I focus on the part I messed up on. And I repeat it till it’s on point. Then, I play the peice and the part I mess up at and stop for the day. It fixes my schedule though.
Yes, the no rhythm practise is what happened whenever I started to play a new piece of song which I totally have not play before. It's so difficult to get the rhythm right when the notes are not even play correctly. Love 😍 watching your videos as I always find something 🆕 to learn and know. You are so amazing! Thank you for the videos! 🥰🤗🙆🏻♀️
Thank you so much for this reminder, it’s what my piano teacher told me before and sometimes I also tend to forget and keep practicing start to finish too. That took me much longer to learn unless if I try to piecemeal it and break it all down until I get the hard sections first. ☺️
Jazer, I’m a professional chef and that metaphor was too perfect - and might have been the best metaphor for me to understand.
I became a advanced piano player under a year, and i think it's amazing how i even reached advanced level by self-teaching, Jazer is one of the people whom i watch to correct my wrong techniques and it helped alot, i also overcame the hand/finger independence. Thanks to you and other people on the internet i haven't regretted playing piano up until now.
I'd love to hear some of your advanced pieces!
can you share some of the resources that you learned from, please?
@@waadlingpenguin4863 you can find it on jazer's popular uploads and "piano Exersices to try now". Also you van check out others on Pianote's youtube channel
@@daannielism i'd love to but unfortunately i dont have good set ups and i think i'm not yet ready for it i think, but maybe in the future, i hope.
Hi. What is your music background? Did you go from no experience with piano or keyboard to advanced in under a year? Did you go from intermediate to advance under a year? I’m curious. Also… How often and how many hours would you practice daily, would you say?
Yesterday I was practicing the 2 hands part of your Despacito tutorial the "no-rythm" way and couldn't stop thinking it was not the good way. Today I'm happy to discover it's ok. 👍
Thank you Jazer for your tutorials. You're one of the youtubers thanks to whom I've played the piano for 2 weeks, making me happy and my life more colourful. 🌈 See u Milo 👋
Even as a non-beginner I always practiced by playing the piece through a few times. I only started practicing by isolating and repeating sections/measures last year and it has made a HUGE difference. I learn pieces so much faster now, and I’m a lot more confident in my playing. Also, since I’m not playing the pieces through over and over, I don’t get sick of playing them very quickly at all (when I have to practice months for exams/auditions/recitals). I honestly don’t know how I got as far as I did practicing that badly, and I often wonder now how much further I could have gotten if I had practiced well from the beginning. Anyway, thanks for the great advice! You are partially responsible for getting me to practice better :)
Thank you so much Jazer for you precious advice! I was losing patience in my piano practice and felt no progress anymore, which discouraged me. Now that I've discoverd your great advice and techniques, it motivates me! I like that you emphasize that piano is a process of hard work, and as pianists, we should focus on the step by step approach and cannot simply expect the beautiful result to come fast. We have to think like a producer and not simply like a spectator. Thank you!
Jazer, your dog training was a good new element, making a visual and emotional connection to the idea of repetition.
Thank you very much. I know you covered these before but this presentation was particularly helpful for me.
Thank you jazer you are literally showing my own mistakes.
One of the most precious piece of advice I've ever received as a learner, thanks Jazer
I love your approach, your reasoning, and your analogies. Your channel helps me a lot with my late-in-life piano learning journey. I take lessons, but these videos really help reinforce things for me. Thank you!
Omg your explanation is so clear! Thank you so much!
Thank you Jazer, I always struggle to get the notes and rhythm correctly and i tend to force myself to get those two correct earlier in the practice which is very hard. Tip number 1 actually helps. And i just got the Soundbrenner metronome oer your recommendation and it is a game changer. No more annoying clicking sound and now i actually enjoy practice with it to make sure i am in beat. Much love 😝😝😝
I just started learning piano but I second every part of this video as a french horn player! Because I am so used to practicing like that from my years of french horn, I kinda didn't realize that other people who were new to music did not do this until a friend of mine asked me to help her with a piece for class and when I told her to go through the piece measure by measure she looked so puzzled! Great video!
I just want to say thank you for these advices and tips. As a self-taught begginer your practice methods helped me a lot! I'm recently working on Chopin's Waltz in A minor I can say that you need to do some hard work at first but the pay off is huge!
Thank you so much
Your lessons are very informative!👌
I love how I've been playing piano for 8 years and I'm watching this like "ah. tips. good to know."
Good advice! Thanks!
Thank you for this advice, it has really helped me.
These practicing techniques go for not only piano, but really for anything in general repetition is a big thing when learning anything new! I love this video.
Super helpful! Thank you for these videos :) they keep me going in my practice
Thank you I needed this today!🤩
you are so on point!! 💯💯💯
Thanks for the video, Jazer. The main reason I played from start to finish is because I enjoy the music so much that I don't want to stop, even with a lot lot of mistake. It does take long long time to learn a piece. Also pedaling can mask out the mistake, which is not good for learning. I will use your advice. Hope to speed up my learning process and be more precise. Thanks for the tip. Glad to find this channel, and I will follow this.
Fantastic information. Many many thanks
Yes! It works! Thank You! 😅
Addressing your weak links in the piece is key to reach performance-ready mastery. There's always a few parts in a piece that need some isolated refining (long jumps, sudden position shifts, etc)
I love your videos so much, every video motivates me to practice more and more. You’re the best piano teacher on TH-cam in my opinion ^^
Playing from the start to the end helps me improve my sight reading. Before I always learnt the piece by memory and that's why never actually read notes. Now I do both and I think this is very good.
My doggo is named Milo too XD Love the videos as always Jazer! You have helped me improve a lot. Been watching your videos for as long as I've played the piano. You are an amazing teacher!
Excellent tips, thanks!
Great tips! Your videos are helping me tremendously!!! Welcome baby Milo 🐶
I love your channel and tips! And Milo 💕
Applied all of this advice and has greatly improved my rate of learning, retention and accuracy. Dedicated practice in 25 minutes w 5 minute breaks has greatly improved learning as well. Work first enjoyment later!!!!
I kept doing this with the chopin Prelude in B Flat minor and it really helped thanks
First off, Milo is absolutely adorable! 🥰
I repeat sections, I've played them slowly. I started learning how to play without a sustain peddle.
I got a sustain peddle for Christmas. I love it! It's the same style that you'd see on an acoustic piano. I didn't find it difficult to learn how to use it timing wise. It felt natural. I had to take time to process the difference in sound though. What I did was play a short bit with the peddle and the same section without it repetitively until I could clearly distinguish the difference.
I learn one hand at a time and later I pull it all together.
In the last month roughly, my timing and rhythm is off and I've been struggling. It's been frustrating lately. I've most likely lost some more of my hearing. I've noticed differences in sound and subtle changes in my balance so I'll be getting retested. (Hearing loss can effect your balance)
I'll have to readjust. Once I get new hearing aids, I'll have to readjust again. The technology in the ones I'll be getting is different. It's new.
In figure skating, it the same. When I work on a new skating routine, It's done in sections. Similar method.
If I run into difficulties with certain sections of my program, I work on that section repetively.
Thank you for your videos, Jazzer. You've really helped me. Being able to see pieces and techniques broken down helps me learn because I rely on visual so much. I really appreciate it.
this was very helpful thanks
This actually reminds me of practicing fighting games. Even though the ways of practicing can be far different some of the mindset is very similar.
It’s funny when you think you have a part nailed on the piano and then you try to play along with the song and it all falls apart and you can’t play in rhythm. That’s how you know you aren’t there yet 😭 🤷🏻♂️. Thanks Jazer! 🎹
I think you have a verry goed point here, I also have the tendency to play the hole piece over and over again and it is not good to do so, and my teather
taught me to start the study of a piece with playing the whole piece as good as you can, then you see wat is okee and what you need to study on the end of the practice you play the whole piece also to notice what you have to study on the next day
Excellent advices as always 👏
Awesome teacher Jazer!
That was incredibly wise advice that could be used for any profession. Thank you.
Great Video. Thanks!
Thank you so much. This is very helpful for me who have just learned a keyboard by myself (by looking at youtube) for this couple of days.
I’m learning minuet in G major-bach-petzold..and I know the right hand as as i learn sections of the left hand I can’t remember the right hand unless i start from the beginning or at a major place. I’m glad though that the advise not to spend time learning one piece. I do try to learn sections separately so this is a relief. Also i took out a few notes which i will add back later
You are great thanks very much !
Thank you for reconfirming what I have been doing during my practice. I am an adult learner and one year into my lesson. My teacher gave me the same advice and this way of practice helps me tremendously in such a short time. Thank you so much for sharing to the rest of the piano learners.🙏🙏🙏💜💜💜
You're very welcome. 🤓
Well done thank you
This is very relatable. You're a great teacher 🥰
Wow these are all my mistakes from mindset to the practice method 😂, thanks Mr I love you ❤️
Thank you so much for sharing your hard earned insight.
You nailed it 🙏
Excellent good sense.
Makes perfect sense!
Hi Jazer, love your videos and explanations! I was wondering if you could some day make a guide on how to practice big jumps with both hands simultaneously?
Thanks teacher Lee, Your lesson touched my nerves ( all my bad habits) and my heart ( your teaching approach). Now I am a customer not a chef as you said... Indeed, I apricate your professional expertise.
Thanks’
I really appreciate and enjoy your teaching’
Visual, audio, and muscle memory repetition absolutely the keystone
For piano practice and learning’
The Puppy !!! So cute!!
Excellent. I’ve been practicing like this … it’s extremely productive …
Thank you, you gave me good lesson
Great video man!
Thanks for the video - repetition is critical. Also Milo is adorable!
You’re a great teacher 🥇Thanks 👌👌🏆🏆👌👌
I think that your tutorials are some of the best in TH-cam.
The consumer/producer analogy was great! I need to find a friend like this guy. Playing piano would be much more fun if I had a friend like this.
As a lifelong dancer/choreographer, your comment about HOW a dancer practices perfecting a movement by repetition really resonated with me. Now, in my late years and wanting to become a bettter piano player than in my past....applying the same M.O. to the paino really resonated with me. Of course! Thank you so much1 Love your video. Bar by bar....phrase by phrase.
Thank you and it's an honour. 🤓
Great lesson & Milo is gorgeous 😊
It turns out that I'm practicing correctly!! Yay! I'm learning Fur Elise right now. I've managed to get the first two parts done and am working on the 3rd part (I may not be saying this right, but oh well). I'm starting the bit where it changes to the slightly faster part. What you called "No rhythm practice" I call 'getting the notes under my fingers'. Rhythm is out the window until I can play the notes properly. Thanks for the lesson! I really appreciate the work you're doing!
Thank you 🙏🏾
I have never before thought of 'no rhythm practice' as a positive thing, but it does make sense. Good move bringing the cute assistant in, by the way.
Great advice, I used to have to break down howls moving castle into pieces before I was able to play it start to finish on my guitar
Dude your content is phenomenal
Thank you
Great video, more Milo
I really appreciate you for the videos they r great
Yeah, that makes allot of sense. I apply this method in many other things I'm learning, e.g. knitting, caligraphy & writing; never occurred to me to apply to playing the piano. You are so correct, from my experience, practicing a piece start to finish makes me avoid the instrument for days because it's just so difficult to learn the piece. For example, the music director at a church I had worked at gave me sheet music for Ashokan Farwell (for really really beginners) that I've been trying to learn; over the past 8 yrs.! Every time I attempt it I get so disappointed because I struggle with learning new stuff to play. But now I'm going to approach it your way. I'm actually looking forward to dragging that nemesis out & conquering it one or two measures at a time. Thanks.
I wish you luck! Remember, you got this! 🤓
Thanks for the tips....huge help! I was stuck in the "dark zone" part of Fur Elise and gave up long ago. Will practice the music sheet again. 😊 Hi Milo! 😊
I play piano as a hobby and learned this technique through experience. When I was starting out, I used to push through learning pieces in full and it took an awful lot of time… but when I broke it out into segments, it took maybe a day or two. Once I’d perfected a couple of bars, I’d learn another couple. After that, I’d play both segments together until it sounds good to me and repeat 💚 and it feels so amazing at the end when you can finally play the full piece!
As always, you give such great information. I’ve been making all the mistakes you mentioned…no wonder it’s taking me so long to learn my music. Thanks so much!
Just recently figured this out the hard way (practicing the wrong way). The chunking - repetition strategy works!
@@savanahm4083 Yes, it does, but my problem is having enough patience to do it right.
MilO is so cute! Thanks for the tips!
Great video. I play guitar more than piano but this video feels applicable to both. Subbed and will watch more to come!
Thank you Jazer for another excellent video!
I would be very interested in a video about avoiding tension when playing the piano. I can understand why and what we don't want, but very few teachers actually have provided me with good examples on how to play in a relaxed manner and avoid tension. How can one identify tension? How can one practice to avoid tension? Thank you Jazer!