I can't help but think of this line from Return of the King: 'But glad would he have been to know its fate who wrought it slowly long ago in the North-kingdom when the Dúnedain were young, and chief among their foes was the dread realm of Angmar and its sorcerer king.' Got to wonder what the people who made that mail would think if they could see what became of it today. If they'd be glad that it's being used to teach people about their world or sad that it's being used by a 'hobbyist'... Or just apathetic because they (presumably) got their money when it was originally sold. :p
Somewhere around 8:15 I realized you weren't talking about your 'neat replica' but an actual historic piece that was used by soldiers of the time. I'm not going to lie...I'm a right bit jealous right now.
I paused at 7:09 to look through the comments.. how did he get hold of this piece? Who on earth sold it :O Its amazing how well functioning it is after all those centuries
Whenever I see someone using, wearing, or talking about a historical artifact it always slightly gives me an existential crisis. The soldier that wore that would never comprehend that in a few hundred years that his armour would be being worn by an historian and being talked about to thousands of people on a platform that linked the entire world. Makes you wonder if someone in the future will do something similar with us today.
we've taken all the hard work of getting the vast majority of history down onto the internet, though there is always things to be added from back then I think historians in the future will never have to guess, or assume anything from our current times.
I agree, but there's more then likely still going to be future historians having objects from today on display or having a lecture on it. Not as much the speculative aspect as the informative aspect but it'll still happen.
Tyler Broertjes No, there's always interpretation and propaganda. If anything they'll have so much information about us that they won't know what to believe. Take any incident today and you'll 10,000 different opinions on it.
Mataeus The Apostate This armour was made before 1688 (or something like that) which is about 200 years after the Fall of Constantinople, I'm not refering to the present ^^
are you basing your comment on the believe that ppl back a few hundred years were shorter in general? if so, then you are mistaken. the, let's call it "height potential", for humans hasn't changed in the last few thousand years. neanderthals and the homo sapiens of their time would quite commonly reach the average height of humans today.
@@Seygem when you look at European armor, people were a lot shorter than we are now (I have a old picture of me as kid wearing medieval helmet and armor that fit me perfectly. (I was about 1.6m)
@@Seygem Nutrition was very poor back then. "Height potential", as you call it, was indeed the same but the vast majority of people were way shorter than that due to poor nutrition. OP's point still stands that a man the size of Lloyd would have been considered tall in 17th century India.
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"TAKE ALL MY SAVINGS!" I had a good chuckle. Your videos always make my day. Great video, and educational to boot. I didn't know the Moghuls had this kind of armor.
I am an amateur jewelry maker, and many jewelry designs are actually mimics of old armor designs. There is a style of jewelry that has been passed down for so long I do not think anyone knows the original origin of chain mail bracelet and ring set. I am very sure this style of jewelry comes from this armor. It is considered an Indian design of jewelry after all. Oh, that back. I know what you mean. I would be very interested in that armor too after I saw that back. Oh, and those changes in the rings. Very nice. That armor was crafted by someone who really knew what they were doing. I love it.
You own a suit of armour which was actually worn at the time it's supposed to represent and which may have seen real fighting? Wow! You own the holy grail of any reenactor. Lucky guy! :)
Obvious answers are sometimes right. I'm thinking all that's missing here are some laces - bits that are easy to lose or rot away. Leather bootlaces from any time or place should be close enough. Lace up the front directly through the border links on each side. Lace the extra chain at the back onto the helmet somehow - don't Mughal helmets typically have their own coif? If so maybe you just lace that chain at the back right into the coif. Or onto an eyelet or something on the back of the helmet otherwise. Holds that extra chain in place to protect the back of your neck and also lets you draw your helmet off and drop it behind you in one motion without worry of losing it. I hear India tends to be hot and even in northern Europe people liked to be able to escape their helmets quickly. Lastly that bit on the hands. Cut your lace down short for this, all you need to do is attach a loop to that last ring big enough to fit around your middle finger. Obviously you know a lot more than me on the subject but I'm thinking the simplest answer is likely to be right so that's my guess.
That feel when I get to see Lindy do a video about Mughal arms is pretty awesome. Lindy, my father has a huge collection of Mughal Arms and Armour, including three blades that were cast during the period of Aurangzeb and were presented to the Emperor himself. If you'd ever like details, I'd love to share with you.
Orthodox Muslims don't draw animals. mosques and Islamic art are full of botanical drawings. Islam since its infancy has had a staunch opposition of iconography/idol making
India/sindh/hind = land of river sindh/indus(modern day pakistan) Indian subcontinent = An actual Europe sized and equally diverse "subcontinent", with its own tectonic plate(unlike Europe).
So you are saying that the term zirah baktar in fact does not specify that the armour has plates in it? I suppose if the norm in that period was to have plates, then the term still sort of works, but actually some of it didn't, so perhaps we are forced to use 'plated mail'. Which language is this? I tried it in Google translate. Never got 'chain' but a few Indian languages yielded 'armour'. Hindi gave the result 'Catechism coat of mail'.
Aye this is good video material. Commenting to add visibility. Hopefully he won't just tune out after the black humor over France and the troll bait for islam.
Finally, one of the channels I am subscribed to, discusses Indian armour. Very glad to get a video on the subject, and also the armour looks great on you.Cheers.
Stuff that's clever tends to get invented twice. The M65 field jacket from the Americans has fold out flaps on the cuffs that are the same shape that velcro's to the back of the cold weather gloves. Granted for a different kind of protection, in this case to make a better seal to stop the cold going up your sleeve in sentry position but protection none the less. I'm imagining a bit of cord looped to the finger or a button on a glove?
Big numbers are hard for a human to comprehend. After a fairly low amount, individuals just turn into a cohesive blob in the mind's eye. 250,000 people is a mind-bogglingly large amount and that's why the mind decides to not get boggled by it.
Those flaps could have been secured by a leather loop around the middle finger, the loops would have rotted off rapidly after the first few years in storage
On the subject of the sleeve going over the hand, maybe the sleeve was held in place by a string tied into a loop, then the middle finger was inserted through the loop? I'm not sure if I've articulated what I wanted to say particularly well though....
Lindy, might I just say that you're a role model for me: Your passion for your interests and your great work on informing us all on a great number of subjects is something that I one day hope to emulate :)
Glad to see the plug for the Teaching Company (aka The Great Courses). Have been buying these since 1994. Great guarantee. Honorable company. High quality work. Cannot go wrong.
If he hadn't told the owner to clean it up and then bought it, it wouldn't be in a museum. Someone who loves maille like LindyBeige will keep it in good condition and it should last much, much longer.
Char = four Aina = mirror (Plural: Aine) Even though this is a transliteration, any hyphenation seems wrong. "Char aina" or "char aine" seems to be the correct way to transliterate, if there's such a thing. Also, Talwar = sword, and zanjeer = chain. These words are in Hindi, widely spoken the north-western and north-central parts of the Indian subcontinent, where most of India's recent-ish political history played out. During the Mughal ('Moghul' seems anglicised) period, there was a heavy Persian (Farsi) influence on the language. The Persian influence was due to trade, and the fact that the Mughals spoke Persian, though they claimed to be descendants of Genghis Khan. I could be mistaken, but I believe Persian was one of the official languages under the Mughals, which just shows the insane amount of influence Persia has had even as far east as Delhi. So, I won't be surprised if the words above are loan-words from Persian, but are now well entrenched in Hindi. Aside: The Persian influence has created a spectrum of variation in the Hindi language, with Persian-influenced 'Urdu' in the north western parts, spoken widely in Pakistan and parts of India, and a more Sanskrit-influenced "pure" version spoken in the eastern parts, at the Gangetic Plains. Urdu and Hindi are mutually intelligible, though the "high language" words tend to take on more local flavours. However, their scripts are very different. The uninitiated might confuse Urdu's script with that of Arabic - they look superficially similar. Hindi is written in the Devanagri (pronounced devaa-naa-gree) script. The Devanagri script and its variations are in wide use across multiple languages in India. That said, Urdu or Hindi, everyone here would understand char aine or talwar. Just thought I'd leave this here. Binge-watching your videos. :)
Rakesh Pai Yep, like many post-Mongol, central Asian cultures like the Tumurids and the Seljuk Turks (both Turkik and Mongol fusion cultures) , the Mughals were "Persianate", that is, they adopted Persian customs, dress, culture etc and used Persian as their official court and legal language, throughout their entire reign over the Indian sub continent. They were never really an Indian dynasty.
Accurate. I always wanted to learn to read and write in Devanagri script. Though, it is easier for Pakistanis to understand most commonly used Hindi words, which are unique to Hindi due to the influence India has had post-independence. And in the case of Urdu, there has also been a mixing of Pushtu in the language, due to the regular Afghan invasions into India and the assimilation of Pushtu regions into Pakistan.
Harry Pothead That's a bit like saying the Yuan or Qing were not really a Chinese dynasty or that various Saxons , German and Norman dynasties who ruled England through the ages were not really English. BTW the the Windsors are of German origin and Prince Philip is Greek.
Raj Ray Not really, for one thing, being "English" came about "BECAUSE, of the Saxon migrations, angles and Saxons migrated from the continent and formed the Anglo-Saxon culture, the first "King of England" is Alfred King of Wessex, the most dominant of the Anglo-Saxon Kings. When the Norman invaded, they took control of England yes, but the also integrated themselves into English culture, marrying Saxon nobles , adopting English eventually as their main language and styling themselves as English (the founded the "Angevin empire, literally the English empire, which lasted until their territories in northern France were annexed by the French) . Likewise, yes the queen is of German descent, but she is also of English descent, it's very complicated, but William of organ he married into the English royal family after he took the thrown. And Phillip isn't really a true Greek, he was born there but by blood he isn't a real Greek(just listen to him speak, not very Greek is it?) By contrast, the Mughals were always a Persianate dynasty, they never styled themselves as Indian, they spoke Turkic and Perisan in their courts and they never married outside of their Turko-Mongol elite. The never attempted to claim legitimacy from any Indian cultural base, instead basing their power on their supposed descent from Timur Khan and Gengis Khan, and in a spiritual sense, the Persian emperors of old. They were a foreign dynasty who ruled a large empire that covered most of the Indian sub-continent(and Afghanistan too by the way), but they weren't culturally Indian, whatever it meant to be culturally Indian back then anyway, since the land wasn't a unified polity like it is now.
Just wanted to say, you convinced me to buy the Great Courses Plus. This is the first vid I could find where ya advertise it, so just wanted to thank you for introducing it to me. Seems like a pretty great resource.
This may be the best commercial I've ever seen! You deserve every penny you get from that sponsorship, Lindy. And yes, I've just signed up for the free trial.
Soon as I saw this armour from the video I instantly fell in love with it. I had this idea for a character who would wear armour like this but I couldn't quite see what it would look like (kind of like imagining something to draw but you can't really focus on the picture in your head) and now I know what type it is and what it's called. Thanks Lloyd!
Nerd Punk-Fu Most likely they paid him a 10% of the service cost when people use the link. At least this is what I'm offer whenever a company comes up to me. Like him, I tend to not take them because they don't relate to any bit to the channel. Like the last one I got was a traveling grooming kit for my technology based channel.
The writers always hated Stannis. The only characters they really like are Tyrion, Cersei, Daenerys and maybe Jon.... sometimes Arya. All the other characters have been totally screwed over by the writers and don't even resemble themselves anymore.
@@CollinBuckman I don't think that's a real assertion that European nations as a whole make. I know you were trying for a joke, but jokes are only funny if there's some truth to them.
What about just using a string for attaching the ring to your hand? It would explain the not being found part. Since such old string was bio-degradable and all that...
You're entertaining that's for sure. I get lost for hours watching your videos. Thanks for making me feel that I'm not wasting time, because I'm learning!!
I doubt it due the arms being very easy to hit, remember you only need to stop someone from fighting to win. Hack into the wrist and you win, no need to kill
I remember becoming very interested in Mughal history when I visited India. I recall studying this exact armor, and I do believe that the Mughals wore a type of vambrace on their arms, which held the ends of the arms/hands of the maille in place. There are certain models and illustrations showing this. The Mughals did have an appreciation for vambraces in most of their armor. Now, the Mughals, along with most Indians, loved their rings. However, using a ring to hold the maille in place would present many issues, avulsion being one of them. I believe that single ring attached to the vambraces to complete the armor.
I think the iberian style of fencing called "La verdadera destreza" (or just "destreza" for short) used by portugal and spain which consists in the wielding of a sword and dagger or buckler would be a rather interesting topic. just a suggestion though, keep up the good work.
tomas pinto Some notes on this: -"Destreza" was a style of fencing based heavily on mathematics and anatomy born from renaissance ideals. -"Verdadera Destreza" is a school of said discipline which focused on the vision of Warfare (and the use of weaponry) as a large body of knowledge, and attempted to forgo "techniques" and "styles" in favor of the search of universal rules. Basically it was the application of what at the time was considered scientific research applied to weaponry. I don't know what technique you meant to mention, taking into account the focus of Destreza of attempting to apply common rules to all swords, and the attempt by Verdadera Destreza to apply said rules to all weaponry, I'm betting they did in fact use that combination at some point, but they also used every other technique they thought of, so it's not much to go by.
Imagine him making commercial for shampoo. "If you use this shampoo you can have hair like me". Haha he looks like a nutty proffessor and that is great.
I’ve learnt so much from your videos over the years. An opportunity to return the favour presents itself - and I must take it. What you referred to as the Devangari language is in fact the Devnagri(pronounced dev -naagri) script. It is the script on which many Indian languages are based including Sanskrit, Hindi, Marathi, Gujarati etc. Love your videos to bits. Can’t get enough. Cheers and godspeed
The term India was Coined by British.People from south asia or middle east, Asia even Russians in general call us Hindustanis.As you said Indus river not India.
Dont be stupid it a aint an English term, it's a Persian term suffix - stan means the land of- and Hendu is a religion so Hindustan means the land of Hindus.
I freak out a little bit every time I see a piece of Mail Armour. x.X All those rings. Edit: Holy crap, that Armour is too cool. Also, yours is 20x better than that Museum one.
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if i had to support the sleeve, i would use a ring on the finger to hook or latch to the sleeve. might be worth a try if your still looking for a solution. not to say that it would historically accurate, just how i would adapt it.
It might as well been, we don't know. It's not how I would have done it, but then again, I am not a nomadic horse warrior in the Indus river valley, so... :)
Char (as in charcoal) means 4 and Aine means mirror. And it is not written in Devangiri.. it is Dev Nagri.. Which is not a language but a script used by a lot of languages in India. Like the Latin Script used for English Language.
Most videos like these bore me but you present these subjects in such a interesting fashion that I'm glued to the screen. Subbed! Also I'm a super history buff so I love the content.
i love how informative your videos are. personally my intrest is in tactics but tactics fall appart when you dont know what armourment and weaponary you have (and enemy but thats another story) so its especially interresting to see that you do love to go into detail with things that you persume is a logical step from things we lost in history to explain. a pleasure to watch Baige-kun
Mughul's were Turks (From Central Asia and related to the Mongols; many fought with Ghengis); who established an Islamic Empire in Northern INdia on the ruins of the Dehli Sultanate (another Islamic kingdom). They were one of three major Islamic Empires in the world during the 16-18th centuries (others were the Ottomans and SAfavids {Persia}; also known as gunpowder empires due to their use of gunpowder weapons. The Mughul's built the Taj Mahal.
@Zayed Haroon Good for you pal. I'm a direct descendant of the Jaswal clan, in Babur's autobiography (Baburnama), he states my ancestors raided and slaughtered a third of his army in the Punjab, before he even began his invasion of Delhi. He gets very angry at one of his generals for his supposed incompetence. So there... t/O_O/t
@@nirupamakumar3917 That is the nature of Turks tho. While western civilizations adapt to changes, Turks tend to simply adopt it. It's still a problem that mentional multiple times by both historians and politicians. For example in Seljuk era language of the court was farsian even though both monarch and his court were Turkic. Eastern Huns started to dress and talk like chinese in their last decades. There were even some people in late ottoman empire that thinks British English and French is the best language ever existed (Which makes no sense for multiple reasons) There were some periods in time that nationalist or patriotic belief rose up such as in Early Gokturks, Shubiyye and late 18th century. While Roman empire adds a culture it consumed to theirs, Turks simply take it as it was. And most of the when they start to do that their country crashes in less than a century.
Surely the armor is expensive, but I wouldn't go as far as hundreds if thousands. After all, armor from the 17th century is not THAT rare (At least european suits of armor, since they got tons of it in european museums; I have to admit I don't know about India... but I believe its similar there).
They also leave waffle-shaped bruises if you take a significant hit while wearing them. More than once I've had a shoulder look like a miniature checkerboard from mail marks - and that was with something under it.
in the 12th century, they basically wore what the Crusaders wore (i.e. simple mail shirts, perhaps mail hose). Sometimes they wore a lamellar vest over that, as the Byzantines did, but this would have been expensive. Alternatively, they wore only a lamellar or scale shirt on its own. The mail could be worn over the aketon/gambeson (the way the Crusanders did), or sandwitched between layers of padded cloth. The latter style was particularly common, and called a Kazaghand. EDIT: a link with some pictures of how they might have appeared. Fittingly, it's a reconstruction of the battle of Hattin: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/ed/82/68ed82e31ce547a0adc5182a24601ab9.jpg
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Small correction the the Islamic theology on pictures you mentioned. Drawing living things is allowed if the purpose is for education, entertainment for children, identification (legal or otherwise) and record keeping. Also, there are no restrictions on drawing any type of plants or fauna or fungi etc.even though they are living. Unfortunately the Mughal rulers were more concerned with artistry and wealth than they were with history and science.
Moj Dak Well, I’m sure that the Theology has changed over time. As far as we know, Muslim theology at the time considered the depiction of living creatures a sort of imitation of Allah’s work. At least that’s how it was during the Middle Ages and into the modern period. It may have transitioned during Mughal rule, but I’m not sure.
+ILikeToColourRed not just historical artefacts, modern replicas are also legal to own. Many firearms such as rifles for sporting or hunting and shotguns are also legal if you have the correct permits although handguns and carrying weapons in public is illegal. Weapon laws in the UK are nowhere near as strict as people often pretend they are.
Less than most others, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks, and especially the Poles are much less diverse than the mix of celts, irish, scots, welsh, norse, danes, anglo saxons, french, jews, dutch, germans, and recently west indian & indian
Are you telling me that, if I were to kiss a girl, there's a strong chance she has a small portion of my genetic blood, making us distantly-related? Well, that's weird.
I cant even make a guess of what that armor would have cost(?) absolutely amazing Loyd has it, Im glad he will def enjoy, admire, and wear it around his flat haha, well done.
Need to clarify something for you, good sir. While drawing animals is generally forbidden in Islam, it is acceptable to draw plants because they are not considered to have souls. Many mosques (including the Umayyad mosque in Damascus, one of the oldest surviving mosques in the world) are adorned with illustrations of plants. Ibn Abbas stated outright that it is perfectly acceptable to draw plants. (I do not doubt some school of thought bans the drawing of plants as well, but it is not the majority.) There is probably some dispute on this, but there is at least one fatwa which states that is acceptable to draw an animal for the purpose of educating children.
there is no verse in the quran that forbids painting. its just a thing people invented later, possibly because muhammad didnt want himself to be drawn/painted which was probably because they were at war
Zirah, or Zereh, simply means armor in Farsi. Baktar, or Bakhtar is a region in Iran, hence it's known as Iranian or Persian armor. Also, earlier renditions of this armor type have generally been found in Persia and later renditions in Turkey and India.
You're only 6'3"!? Good lord, Lindy, from videos of you standing beside other men I legitimately assumed you were somewhere closer to 6'8" or something ludicrous like that.
I suppose being 6'2" myself I forget how tall 6'3" is in the grand scheme of things. Still, there was something magical about the nigh seven foot tall Lindy I had constructed in my head.
+Lindybeige do you consider that many rings were perhaps produced by less skilled smiths, and assembly done up until the plates themselves needed? As a Smith myself, this isn't too terribly difficult to produce, just time consuming.
+Lindybeige You should make a video about the process of making chain armour - that would be quite interesting considering how time consuming it looks like. Or perhaps about blacksmiths in particular?
Sir, before mughals you can find the plated armor and mail from the Rajputs and Mewar. The books of India have been distorted by some fancy educational ministers. If you ever come to India then pay a visit to Chittorgarh fort and the whole Rajasthan one you will find many Armor designs. You can even find the Plated chest and stomach in the very old dynasties like the Mauryan one.
- Concerning fastening the ends of the sleeves by means of the little rings: I think (unless the owner had gloves of some sort which he's attach them to) that perhaps a thin bit of cordage would probably be laced through the rings and then between the fingers, if that makes sense. - It's usually the simplest explanation that's the correct one, and I think that method has many benefits. - It would keep the sleeves in place quite well. - It (being a simple piece of cordage) could be replaced easily if broken or worn out. - It seems that it would be fairly easy to don. - I would also imagine that bits of cordage, or some sort of bracer- like device (perhaps made out of leather or other organic material like hemp or linen) would be fastened at strategic points over the mail to make it more form-fitting. - For example: around the waist, but also perhaps at the wrist, and even maybe above the elbow. - It's difficult, because a lot of these organically derived materials deteriorate and disappear over time, but I would imagine that there would be many interesting adornments that a soldier might wear about his body. Unfortunately, if that was the case, it seems that most of their physical remains have been lost to history. --- Anyone have an opinion on this, or want to chime in?
Lindy, you don't need a helmet. Your a main character
*You're
There's an edit button.
I think you can't edit on phones.
+AlexThomson1000 The struggle is real.
You're*
Okay, sporting a 400-500 year old bit of kit is pretty impressive.
I can't help but think of this line from Return of the King:
'But glad would he have been to know its fate who wrought it slowly long ago in the North-kingdom when the Dúnedain were young, and chief among their foes was the dread realm of Angmar and its sorcerer king.'
Got to wonder what the people who made that mail would think if they could see what became of it today. If they'd be glad that it's being used to teach people about their world or sad that it's being used by a 'hobbyist'...
Or just apathetic because they (presumably) got their money when it was originally sold. :p
Somewhere around 8:15 I realized you weren't talking about your 'neat replica' but an actual historic piece that was used by soldiers of the time. I'm not going to lie...I'm a right bit jealous right now.
I paused at 7:09 to look through the comments.. how did he get hold of this piece? Who on earth sold it :O Its amazing how well functioning it is after all those centuries
How did you not get the 5 times before that where he said where it came from lol
It should be in a museum
@@kylehardman9135 easy there, Indy
@@kylehardman9135 you state that based on what?
The ring (mentioned about 10:00) may be used to attach a (set of) string(s) that could go between the fingers to avoid the sleeve to fall back.
or the chainmail making process simply started there so the first ring is solid with no riveting.
>"It just gets finer near the knee... I suspect an arrow [would pierce it]"
I used to be a Moghul like you, then I took an arrow to the knee!
Ah the good ol days
Whenever I see someone using, wearing, or talking about a historical artifact it always slightly gives me an existential crisis. The soldier that wore that would never comprehend that in a few hundred years that his armour would be being worn by an historian and being talked about to thousands of people on a platform that linked the entire world. Makes you wonder if someone in the future will do something similar with us today.
It's inconceivable that future historians won't at some point look back at youtube comment sections and draw conclusions about us from them.
+purpleanex we're fucked aren't we
we've taken all the hard work of getting the vast majority of history down onto the internet, though there is always things to be added from back then I think historians in the future will never have to guess, or assume anything from our current times.
I agree, but there's more then likely still going to be future historians having objects from today on display or having a lecture on it. Not as much the speculative aspect as the informative aspect but it'll still happen.
Tyler Broertjes No, there's always interpretation and propaganda. If anything they'll have so much information about us that they won't know what to believe.
Take any incident today and you'll 10,000 different opinions on it.
In todays video, Lindybeige is prepping for the siege of Constantinople.
200 years late, but still funny
+LeSingeAffame *600 Years
Mataeus The Apostate This armour was made before 1688 (or something like that) which is about 200 years after the Fall of Constantinople, I'm not refering to the present ^^
LeSingeAffame
Oh, sorry. Misunderstood you.
And guess what? Just hours latter Miltiary Forces are doing a Coup of Turkey :^)
Sarranid sultanate
but its nearly harvesting season!
F3's rapidly.
Chelovecek The Swadians are coming The Swadians are coming!!!
I sell butter and butter accessories.
Sarranids are actually based off the Sassanids, not the Mughals or any related tribe.
The former owner must have been quite the large specimen for the time period if his armour was able to be worn by you Loyd.
are you basing your comment on the believe that ppl back a few hundred years were shorter in general? if so, then you are mistaken. the, let's call it "height potential", for humans hasn't changed in the last few thousand years. neanderthals and the homo sapiens of their time would quite commonly reach the average height of humans today.
@@Seygem when you look at European armor, people were a lot shorter than we are now (I have a old picture of me as kid wearing medieval helmet and armor that fit me perfectly. (I was about 1.6m)
@@Seygem Nutrition was very poor back then. "Height potential", as you call it, was indeed the same but the vast majority of people were way shorter than that due to poor nutrition. OP's point still stands that a man the size of Lloyd would have been considered tall in 17th century India.
@@Seygem not only were people all around shorter hundreds of years ago, were talking about Indians/asians here. They're a shorter people
that guy must've been seen as the rock of his day, he was humongous
Wait wait wait wait wait! Is this man wearing a legit suit of armour FROM the period that it belongs too? Fuck me that's cool.
''Hentai was a mistake'' - Miyazaki 2017
UB3RFR3NZY well fuck him with a chainsword
There's something wrong with your sword, it didn't go "swinnnnnnnnnng" when you took it out of your scabbard.
not legit
He probably needs to replace the batteries.
Is the warranty still valid?
Only real katanas make real sword sounds
He probably just did it wrong
Indy: "This belongs to a museum!"
Lindy: "Take all my savings!"
Vítězslav Ureš Indy, as in, The Great War host?
Kaiser Wiggles III I think indy means indiana jones
*Indian
Sometimes historic artifacts belong into a museum and sometimes we belong into historic artifacts!
I don't understand the "I hesitated" part. Why would you hesitate? Did he want $5000 for it? Did you not have $5000 with you?
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Loving the longer length of the videos.
We only need more girth
Size doesn't matter, It's all about how good it is, while it lasts.
RACE WAR!!!!
HoneyBooBooChile oh oh, 4chan has arrived
woo hoo death to all yee haw
That transition to the EMBARRASSING museumpiece made me laugh out loud, such a weird and subtle flex..
"TAKE ALL MY SAVINGS!" I had a good chuckle. Your videos always make my day. Great video, and educational to boot. I didn't know the Moghuls had this kind of armor.
I am an amateur jewelry maker, and many jewelry designs are actually mimics of old armor designs. There is a style of jewelry that has been passed down for so long I do not think anyone knows the original origin of chain mail bracelet and ring set. I am very sure this style of jewelry comes from this armor. It is considered an Indian design of jewelry after all.
Oh, that back. I know what you mean. I would be very interested in that armor too after I saw that back. Oh, and those changes in the rings. Very nice. That armor was crafted by someone who really knew what they were doing. I love it.
Lindy buys expensive suit of armour.. suddenly gets a sponsor.. Coincidence? :P hehe
Also Lloyd is 6' 3"? i always had it in my mind that he was fairly short.
Hes actually really fat, and 4'11", its the false perspective of the mail that makes him look taller and thinner.
Yeah all the fat goes down to the feet which makes him look taller.
That would be funny, imagine every 'fat' person buying mail all of a sudden xD
He earns money and buys stuff. SHOCKING COINCIDENCE!
You own a suit of armour which was actually worn at the time it's supposed to represent and which may have seen real fighting? Wow! You own the holy grail of any reenactor. Lucky guy! :)
Obvious answers are sometimes right. I'm thinking all that's missing here are some laces - bits that are easy to lose or rot away. Leather bootlaces from any time or place should be close enough. Lace up the front directly through the border links on each side. Lace the extra chain at the back onto the helmet somehow - don't Mughal helmets typically have their own coif? If so maybe you just lace that chain at the back right into the coif. Or onto an eyelet or something on the back of the helmet otherwise. Holds that extra chain in place to protect the back of your neck and also lets you draw your helmet off and drop it behind you in one motion without worry of losing it. I hear India tends to be hot and even in northern Europe people liked to be able to escape their helmets quickly. Lastly that bit on the hands. Cut your lace down short for this, all you need to do is attach a loop to that last ring big enough to fit around your middle finger. Obviously you know a lot more than me on the subject but I'm thinking the simplest answer is likely to be right so that's my guess.
That feel when I get to see Lindy do a video about Mughal arms is pretty awesome. Lindy, my father has a huge collection of Mughal Arms and Armour, including three blades that were cast during the period of Aurangzeb and were presented to the Emperor himself. If you'd ever like details, I'd love to share with you.
Enlighten us
Zirah = Chain
Baktar = Armour
Chain armour
Example: Baktar Bund(Literal translation: Armour Closed) = Armored Personnel Carrier
Char Aiyna, Char = Four(pronounced as in charcoal)
Orthodox Muslims don't draw animals. mosques and Islamic art are full of botanical drawings.
Islam since its infancy has had a staunch opposition of iconography/idol making
India/sindh/hind = land of river sindh/indus(modern day pakistan)
Indian subcontinent = An actual Europe sized and equally diverse "subcontinent", with its own tectonic plate(unlike Europe).
Thank you!
Yep - it crashed into Asia and caused the Himalayas. Took a while about it, though.
So you are saying that the term zirah baktar in fact does not specify that the armour has plates in it? I suppose if the norm in that period was to have plates, then the term still sort of works, but actually some of it didn't, so perhaps we are forced to use 'plated mail'. Which language is this? I tried it in Google translate. Never got 'chain' but a few Indian languages yielded 'armour'. Hindi gave the result 'Catechism coat of mail'.
Lloyd, can you make a video about post battle state? I heard a lot about what they do in it but there's not much about what happened after.
Yeah, It would be very interesting to hear what happened after a battle
BetaBox I want to know more about the looter, the wounded, what they did to live enemy, etc. Would be a good video material.
Aye this is good video material. Commenting to add visibility. Hopefully he won't just tune out after the black humor over France and the troll bait for islam.
That is actually a really interesting topic. Good shout.
Lots of smelly corpses and fluids. Sack the enemy camp, attend your wounded and move.
Oh hey, you're wearing the Stannis Baratheon armor.
Stannis' armor looks more like it's based on Moro armor from the Philippines. Though it looks like the construction is fairly similar.
Not anymore
All hail the true king of Westeros.
I was thinking the same thing!, that is indeed looks like House Baratheon's cavalry armour
+Max McDougall That's King Stannis the Mannis of House Baratheon to you, ultra-peasant.
Finally, one of the channels I am subscribed to, discusses Indian armour. Very glad to get a video on the subject, and also the armour looks great on you.Cheers.
It’s really nice to hear the sincere passion in your voice as you talk about owning armor, it’s so cool that you do this.
hey Lloyd can you please make a video about medieval hairstyles
like so he can see
Then he can get sponsored by that shampoo company
British Nerd genius❤️
Guess he didn't saw it
@@betosiordia8432 *see
Stuff that's clever tends to get invented twice.
The M65 field jacket from the Americans has fold out flaps on the cuffs that are the same shape that velcro's to the back of the cold weather gloves. Granted for a different kind of protection, in this case to make a better seal to stop the cold going up your sleeve in sentry position but protection none the less.
I'm imagining a bit of cord looped to the finger or a button on a glove?
It makes me happy to see him being so excited and/or happy about that armor :D Good on you Lloyd!
What's most amazing to me is that you're standing there wearing Armour that someone actually used in battle in the 16th century I think you said
1780s
@@sameerthakur720 No, he very clearly said a year in the 1680s and it being at least older than that. Watch the video again.
"gained it's indi-pendance?" lol
Jerry schell lindy pendants.
It’s a small necklace with a LEGO explorer on it.
Yep, independence...
Lindy-pendance is just colonized by Britain
ohhhhhohohoho is funnnnyyyy xd
Chaad Mason Pierre your name is awfully French sounding, Lindy does not take so kindly to Frenchmen sir
I wonder if he knows that a quarter million people think he's super cool.
Big numbers are hard for a human to comprehend. After a fairly low amount, individuals just turn into a cohesive blob in the mind's eye. 250,000 people is a mind-bogglingly large amount and that's why the mind decides to not get boggled by it.
That's a decent sized town.
that's as big as some of the non-capital biggest towns in italy.
we need to crowdfound lindytown.
iota-09 I'd support Lindytown on Patreon. I could be a Lindian!!
Its not that far off the population of Iceland (around 320,000 i think), so perhaps we could make it a country.
Those flaps could have been secured by a leather loop around the middle finger, the loops would have rotted off rapidly after the first few years in storage
Yes, I like to keep flaps secured around my middle finger...
sigh... yet thumb up anyway....
My thought exactly.
I'm surprised I had to scroll this far down to see a comment with the same idea I had.
On the subject of the sleeve going over the hand, maybe the sleeve was held in place by a string tied into a loop, then the middle finger was inserted through the loop? I'm not sure if I've articulated what I wanted to say particularly well though....
Lindy, might I just say that you're a role model for me: Your passion for your interests and your great work on informing us all on a great number of subjects is something that I one day hope to emulate :)
Glad to see the plug for the Teaching Company (aka The Great Courses). Have been buying these since 1994. Great guarantee. Honorable company. High quality work. Cannot go wrong.
Arrows to knees was quite common,it ended my career as an adventurer
I was an adventurer like you. Until the arrow to my knee.
Ehh, very old meme, you two.
Knees!
Wow, I can't believe I never caught that ; )
ooohh... The memories...
This belongs in a museum! ;)
So do you!
Thanks Ez.
If he hadn't told the owner to clean it up and then bought it, it wouldn't be in a museum. Someone who loves maille like LindyBeige will keep it in good condition and it should last much, much longer.
+KatayokoNoTenshi Rekt!
Char = four
Aina = mirror (Plural: Aine)
Even though this is a transliteration, any hyphenation seems wrong. "Char aina" or "char aine" seems to be the correct way to transliterate, if there's such a thing.
Also, Talwar = sword, and zanjeer = chain.
These words are in Hindi, widely spoken the north-western and north-central parts of the Indian subcontinent, where most of India's recent-ish political history played out. During the Mughal ('Moghul' seems anglicised) period, there was a heavy Persian (Farsi) influence on the language. The Persian influence was due to trade, and the fact that the Mughals spoke Persian, though they claimed to be descendants of Genghis Khan. I could be mistaken, but I believe Persian was one of the official languages under the Mughals, which just shows the insane amount of influence Persia has had even as far east as Delhi. So, I won't be surprised if the words above are loan-words from Persian, but are now well entrenched in Hindi.
Aside: The Persian influence has created a spectrum of variation in the Hindi language, with Persian-influenced 'Urdu' in the north western parts, spoken widely in Pakistan and parts of India, and a more Sanskrit-influenced "pure" version spoken in the eastern parts, at the Gangetic Plains. Urdu and Hindi are mutually intelligible, though the "high language" words tend to take on more local flavours. However, their scripts are very different. The uninitiated might confuse Urdu's script with that of Arabic - they look superficially similar. Hindi is written in the Devanagri (pronounced devaa-naa-gree) script. The Devanagri script and its variations are in wide use across multiple languages in India. That said, Urdu or Hindi, everyone here would understand char aine or talwar.
Just thought I'd leave this here. Binge-watching your videos. :)
Rakesh Pai Thanks for the info!
Rakesh Pai Yep, like many post-Mongol, central Asian cultures like the Tumurids and the Seljuk Turks (both Turkik and Mongol fusion cultures) , the Mughals were "Persianate", that is, they adopted Persian customs, dress, culture etc and used Persian as their official court and legal language, throughout their entire reign over the Indian sub continent. They were never really an Indian dynasty.
Accurate. I always wanted to learn to read and write in Devanagri script. Though, it is easier for Pakistanis to understand most commonly used Hindi words, which are unique to Hindi due to the influence India has had post-independence. And in the case of Urdu, there has also been a mixing of Pushtu in the language, due to the regular Afghan invasions into India and the assimilation of Pushtu regions into Pakistan.
Harry Pothead That's a bit like saying the Yuan or Qing were not really a Chinese dynasty or that various Saxons , German and Norman dynasties who ruled England through the ages were not really English. BTW the the Windsors are of German origin and Prince Philip is Greek.
Raj Ray Not really, for one thing, being "English" came about "BECAUSE, of the Saxon migrations, angles and Saxons migrated from the continent and formed the Anglo-Saxon culture, the first "King of England" is Alfred King of Wessex, the most dominant of the Anglo-Saxon Kings. When the Norman invaded, they took control of England yes, but the also integrated themselves into English culture, marrying Saxon nobles , adopting English eventually as their main language and styling themselves as English (the founded the "Angevin empire, literally the English empire, which lasted until their territories in northern France were annexed by the French) . Likewise, yes the queen is of German descent, but she is also of English descent, it's very complicated, but William of organ he married into the English royal family after he took the thrown. And Phillip isn't really a true Greek, he was born there but by blood he isn't a real Greek(just listen to him speak, not very Greek is it?) By contrast, the Mughals were always a Persianate dynasty, they never styled themselves as Indian, they spoke Turkic and Perisan in their courts and they never married outside of their Turko-Mongol elite. The never attempted to claim legitimacy from any Indian cultural base, instead basing their power on their supposed descent from Timur Khan and Gengis Khan, and in a spiritual sense, the Persian emperors of old. They were a foreign dynasty who ruled a large empire that covered most of the Indian sub-continent(and Afghanistan too by the way), but they weren't culturally Indian, whatever it meant to be culturally Indian back then anyway, since the land wasn't a unified polity like it is now.
Very cool armour suit. I can really tell you are genuinely excited and delighted to have this. That makes this video so much better!
Just wanted to say, you convinced me to buy the Great Courses Plus. This is the first vid I could find where ya advertise it, so just wanted to thank you for introducing it to me. Seems like a pretty great resource.
You seem really happy with it, good buy
I smiled for like 15 minutes watching him excitedly rock his new kit. Very neat to see an actual example up close.
That really is a gorgeous piece of armor. I imagine it was stunning when new and together with the rest of the kit.
0:31 And at this moment,
Lloyd became "The Great Courses Plus Guy on TH-cam"...
And no he didn't fuck up.
This may be the best commercial I've ever seen!
You deserve every penny you get from that sponsorship, Lindy.
And yes, I've just signed up for the free trial.
Soon as I saw this armour from the video I instantly fell in love with it. I had this idea for a character who would wear armour like this but I couldn't quite see what it would look like (kind of like imagining something to draw but you can't really focus on the picture in your head) and now I know what type it is and what it's called. Thanks Lloyd!
How much did that armor cost
same thought
How much did Great Courses pay him? :P
Nerd Punk-Fu
Most likely they paid him a 10% of the service cost when people use the link. At least this is what I'm offer whenever a company comes up to me.
Like him, I tend to not take them because they don't relate to any bit to the channel. Like the last one I got was a traveling grooming kit for my technology based channel.
@Craig Bennett II, So you mean to say that he got the armor on credit and now expects us to get him the money to pay the loan off?
+Nerd Punk-Fu no
It seems that Stannis' armor from Game of Thrones was inspired by this kind or armor
Stannis The Mannis, The One true King
This armor, and moro armor of the Philippines.
Before the writers threw him under the buss because 'Stwong indipendent womanz!"
The writers always hated Stannis. The only characters they really like are Tyrion, Cersei, Daenerys and maybe Jon.... sometimes Arya. All the other characters have been totally screwed over by the writers and don't even resemble themselves anymore.
thats all you know..?....get learning.
HAH!
Who doesn't claim to descend from Ghengis Khan?
Europeans, they're too busy claiming to be the continuation of the Roman Empire.
In their defense, he fucked.
a lot
@@CollinBuckman I don't think that's a real assertion that European nations as a whole make. I know you were trying for a joke, but jokes are only funny if there's some truth to them.
Putin the idiot said Russians had Genghis Khan that butcher's bloodline.
Vikings, they’re too busy invading Europe
It's good to see you this excited 😁 that's excellent craftsmanship!
Wow i paged through the lectures on The Great Courses Plus, and this seems like something I actually want! Thanks for the free month!
What about just using a string for attaching the ring to your hand? It would explain the not being found part. Since such old string was bio-degradable and all that...
They might have run a silk string through the end ring on the sleeve and tied it around your middle finger
Yeah or they wore a ring that had a string.
Yieks,Being an Indian, I really wish I could send recordings of me pronouncing those words.
Please do! There must be some way.
+Daan Wilmer sure
I'll give a Google drive link
here-drive.google.com/file/d/0B2ffwyRcquZTTzVpVUZqb0YzZ0U/view?usp=sharing
You can use vocaroo.com and their links.
Super simple yo, it's just a link
+Jake Azz I agree. Never trust any link.
I'm so pleased that you got a sponsor, I'll go check their site immediately. I appreciate your content greatly, keep doing the good work!
You're entertaining that's for sure. I get lost for hours watching your videos. Thanks for making me feel that I'm not wasting time, because I'm learning!!
Gimli: It's a little tight across the chest.
Lol!
would the armour get finer on the limbs to save weight and make moving easier?
peace
Perhaps.
War
I doubt it due the arms being very easy to hit, remember you only need to stop someone from fighting to win. Hack into the wrist and you win, no need to kill
Ian Mills thats not the way you think when ypu are at war in the middle of the battle field and thats not how they are trained to fight.
I remember becoming very interested in Mughal history when I visited India. I recall studying this exact armor, and I do believe that the Mughals wore a type of vambrace on their arms, which held the ends of the arms/hands of the maille in place. There are certain models and illustrations showing this.
The Mughals did have an appreciation for vambraces in most of their armor. Now, the Mughals, along with most Indians, loved their rings. However, using a ring to hold the maille in place would present many issues, avulsion being one of them. I believe that single ring attached to the vambraces to complete the armor.
Congrats on the sponsor!! Good to see the spread of knowledge getting something in return.
Grats on the sponsor. I've used Great Courses before for researching. They're pretty awesome.
this was great! do a video if you ever can about the turban helmet with the face covering chainmail
One day, yes.
Getting hit rarely sounds comfortable.... Now that *reeeally* doesn't sound very comfortable to wear whilst being hit ._.
I think the iberian style of fencing called "La verdadera destreza" (or just "destreza" for short) used by portugal and spain which consists in the wielding of a sword and dagger or buckler would be a rather interesting topic. just a suggestion though, keep up the good work.
tomas pinto Some notes on this:
-"Destreza" was a style of fencing based heavily on mathematics and anatomy born from renaissance ideals.
-"Verdadera Destreza" is a school of said discipline which focused on the vision of Warfare (and the use of weaponry) as a large body of knowledge, and attempted to forgo "techniques" and "styles" in favor of the search of universal rules. Basically it was the application of what at the time was considered scientific research applied to weaponry.
I don't know what technique you meant to mention, taking into account the focus of Destreza of attempting to apply common rules to all swords, and the attempt by Verdadera Destreza to apply said rules to all weaponry, I'm betting they did in fact use that combination at some point, but they also used every other technique they thought of, so it's not much to go by.
Imagine him making commercial for shampoo. "If you use this shampoo you can have hair like me". Haha he looks like a nutty proffessor and that is great.
You seem so polite. I love the way you speak as it is very relaxing.
I’ve learnt so much from your videos over the years. An opportunity to return the favour presents itself - and I must take it. What you referred to as the Devangari language is in fact the Devnagri(pronounced dev -naagri) script. It is the script on which many Indian languages are based including Sanskrit, Hindi, Marathi, Gujarati etc. Love your videos to bits. Can’t get enough. Cheers and godspeed
India was a name used by ancient Greeks as name for land of river Indus
dandhan87 I think he was talking about India the country.
The term India was Coined by British.People from south asia or middle east, Asia even Russians in general call us Hindustanis.As you said Indus river not India.
funny since it just means 'south'
and australia as well, just a different word meaning south. Get creative, guys.
Dont be stupid it a aint an English term, it's a Persian term suffix - stan means the land of- and Hendu is a religion so Hindustan means the land of Hindus.
The name "Hindu" and "Hind" also comes from river Indus, (The Persians called it Hindu river).
It's interesting: I've always seen the Moghuls spelled the Mughals.
I freak out a little bit every time I see a piece of Mail Armour. x.X All those rings. Edit: Holy crap, that Armour is too cool. Also, yours is 20x better than that Museum one.
Hey! Just wanted to say that the sponsor you chose to take was a great choice. Related to your content and might help a lot of people who are still in school with their studies or presentations! The others will just watch it for intrest I guess :D
Either way good work!
Lindybeige, the great courses plus are a wicked good sponsor, i just finished the 36 part lecture on Alexander the great....keep up the great work mate...Tex, from Australia.
if i had to support the sleeve, i would use a ring on the finger to hook or latch to the sleeve. might be worth a try if your still looking for a solution. not to say that it would historically accurate, just how i would adapt it.
It might as well been, we don't know. It's not how I would have done it, but then again, I am not a nomadic horse warrior in the Indus river valley, so... :)
someone probably already pointed that out, but Devanagari is a script, not a language.
Char (as in charcoal) means 4 and Aine means mirror.
And it is not written in Devangiri.. it is Dev Nagri.. Which is not a language but a script used by a lot of languages in India.
Like the Latin Script used for English Language.
Most videos like these bore me but you present these subjects in such a interesting fashion that I'm glued to the screen. Subbed! Also I'm a super history buff so I love the content.
i love how informative your videos are. personally my intrest is in tactics but tactics fall appart when you dont know what armourment and weaponary you have (and enemy but thats another story) so its especially interresting to see that you do love to go into detail with things that you persume is a logical step from things we lost in history to explain. a pleasure to watch Baige-kun
Mughul's were Turks (From Central Asia and related to the Mongols; many fought with Ghengis); who established an Islamic Empire in Northern INdia on the ruins of the Dehli Sultanate (another Islamic kingdom). They were one of three major Islamic Empires in the world during the 16-18th centuries (others were the Ottomans and SAfavids {Persia}; also known as gunpowder empires due to their use of gunpowder weapons. The Mughul's built the Taj Mahal.
@Zayed Haroon Good for you pal. I'm a direct descendant of the Jaswal clan, in Babur's autobiography (Baburnama), he states my ancestors raided and slaughtered a third of his army in the Punjab, before he even began his invasion of Delhi. He gets very angry at one of his generals for his supposed incompetence. So there... t/O_O/t
Balram Trivedi neat
They were originally Turks but became more Indian, both culturally and genetically after mingling with Indian Rajput princesses.
@@nirupamakumar3917 That is the nature of Turks tho. While western civilizations adapt to changes, Turks tend to simply adopt it. It's still a problem that mentional multiple times by both historians and politicians. For example in Seljuk era language of the court was farsian even though both monarch and his court were Turkic. Eastern Huns started to dress and talk like chinese in their last decades. There were even some people in late ottoman empire that thinks British English and French is the best language ever existed (Which makes no sense for multiple reasons)
There were some periods in time that nationalist or patriotic belief rose up such as in Early Gokturks, Shubiyye and late 18th century.
While Roman empire adds a culture it consumed to theirs, Turks simply take it as it was. And most of the when they start to do that their country crashes in less than a century.
@ABABIALIL Lmao all capitalized sentences with miswritten names makes this comment.
imagine trying to arrest lindy coming out in full armour XD
8:32. I had to have it. Take all my savings & my first born child & I will throw in a kidney as well. Hahaha. Very informative & enjoyable video.
Normally I do like like sponsorship, however I am glad that Lindybiege has introduced this sponsor.
0:23 Wat? Lindybeige you are probably the first guy they went to, just look at that glorious mop of hair.
Real XVII century armour?? That stuff has to be worth in tens if not hundreds of thousands.
Amazing the relics you find in garage sales that noone knows the full value of.
Depends. From the sound of it, his suit was one of quite a large number (hundreds, if not thousands), and it wasn't in top condition.
Surely the armor is expensive, but I wouldn't go as far as hundreds if thousands. After all, armor from the 17th century is not THAT rare (At least european suits of armor, since they got tons of it in european museums; I have to admit I don't know about India... but I believe its similar there).
He says it's from 1688
+Rory Free Yeah, the 17th century.
Question: Do mail sleeves pull at arm hair with every movement?
I am wearing cloth sleeves under the mail, so no.
but if you're not, yes.
That kinda looks the armour the muslims were wearing in Kingdom of Heaven, except that was set 600 years earlier. What did they actually wear then?
They also leave waffle-shaped bruises if you take a significant hit while wearing them. More than once I've had a shoulder look like a miniature checkerboard from mail marks - and that was with something under it.
in the 12th century, they basically wore what the Crusaders wore (i.e. simple mail shirts, perhaps mail hose). Sometimes they wore a lamellar vest over that, as the Byzantines did, but this would have been expensive. Alternatively, they wore only a lamellar or scale shirt on its own.
The mail could be worn over the aketon/gambeson (the way the Crusanders did), or sandwitched between layers of padded cloth. The latter style was particularly common, and called a Kazaghand.
EDIT: a link with some pictures of how they might have appeared. Fittingly, it's a reconstruction of the battle of Hattin:
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Could it be that you just used a ring with something like a stone or a knob or maaaybe a hook to attach the ends of the sleeves?
Aye, they outfit their whole army with fashionable magnets.
+saturdayocean it'd stick to a lot of things. Sleeves, armour, shields, swords, just about everything important to a soldier.
You look so happy in this video, it's adorable and human. We don't see you genuinely smiling like this very often.
I love how this is a sponsored video and people still love it. You even mention you were waiting for enough money. Yet when many other TH-camrs do sponsored videos they get quite a lot of dislikes. I think this shows that you could do more sponsored content like this and we, as viewers aka consumers of the service you provide, would be totally ok with it.
Side Note here, loving the videos lately mate.
Small correction the the Islamic theology on pictures you mentioned. Drawing living things is allowed if the purpose is for education, entertainment for children, identification (legal or otherwise) and record keeping. Also, there are no restrictions on drawing any type of plants or fauna or fungi etc.even though they are living. Unfortunately the Mughal rulers were more concerned with artistry and wealth than they were with history and science.
Moj Dak Well, I’m sure that the Theology has changed over time. As far as we know, Muslim theology at the time considered the depiction of living creatures a sort of imitation of Allah’s work. At least that’s how it was during the Middle Ages and into the modern period. It may have transitioned during Mughal rule, but I’m not sure.
i thought curved blades in the uk are illegal??
Nope, swords both curved and straight are legal to own but not to carry around.
Shh.
historical artefacts are legal - you can own a firearm if its historical and decorative
+ILikeToColourRed not just historical artefacts, modern replicas are also legal to own. Many firearms such as rifles for sporting or hunting and shotguns are also legal if you have the correct permits although handguns and carrying weapons in public is illegal. Weapon laws in the UK are nowhere near as strict as people often pretend they are.
Lindybeige love your vids
I Always Wondered If He Is Related To Ashens
Yes. they are sisters.
Less than most others, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks, and especially the Poles are much less diverse than the mix of celts, irish, scots, welsh, norse, danes, anglo saxons, french, jews, dutch, germans, and recently west indian & indian
All humans are genetically traceable to a pretty tiny gene pool, I've heard.
+abopfred so everyone is related to Ashens? I'm not sure what to do with this information
Are you telling me that, if I were to kiss a girl, there's a strong chance she has a small portion of my genetic blood, making us distantly-related?
Well, that's weird.
Great sponsor you've got. Loved the vid. Very interesting. Thanks.
I cant even make a guess of what that armor would have cost(?) absolutely amazing Loyd has it, Im glad he will def enjoy, admire, and wear it around his flat haha, well done.
Need to clarify something for you, good sir. While drawing animals is generally forbidden in Islam, it is acceptable to draw plants because they are not considered to have souls. Many mosques (including the Umayyad mosque in Damascus, one of the oldest surviving mosques in the world) are adorned with illustrations of plants. Ibn Abbas stated outright that it is perfectly acceptable to draw plants. (I do not doubt some school of thought bans the drawing of plants as well, but it is not the majority.)
There is probably some dispute on this, but there is at least one fatwa which states that is acceptable to draw an animal for the purpose of educating children.
Nice armor, though!
I imagine the Umayyad mosque is not the oldest surviving mosque anymore.
there is no verse in the quran that forbids painting. its just a thing people invented later, possibly because muhammad didnt want himself to be drawn/painted which was probably because they were at war
Yes, the prohibition on painting animate creatures is from hadith.
I often draw pictures of Muhammad with my balls draped across his face.
Zirah, or Zereh, simply means armor in Farsi. Baktar, or Bakhtar is a region in Iran, hence it's known as Iranian or Persian armor. Also, earlier renditions of this armor type have generally been found in Persia and later renditions in Turkey and India.
As he said, covering 4 centuries.
You're only 6'3"!? Good lord, Lindy, from videos of you standing beside other men I legitimately assumed you were somewhere closer to 6'8" or something ludicrous like that.
190cm is pretty ludicrous, though.
*perspective* The average height of an American male is 5'9 1/2". (England: 5'9")
I suppose being 6'2" myself I forget how tall 6'3" is in the grand scheme of things.
Still, there was something magical about the nigh seven foot tall Lindy I had constructed in my head.
190cm is just 10cm above average, so not really ludicrous...
Undead Djingis Depends on where you are from. To a dutch person it isn't much, but to me it is almost 15cm above average - pretty ludicrous indeed.
Impressive aquisition you got there Loyd, thanks for sharing !
Awesome video! His passion for this stuff really shows! I'm mad jelly of that armor
how long would it take for a skilled blacksmith to make one of this armor?
A very long time. Every link is riveted.
How do you know it is original?
Lindybeige Can it be done within a month? ....otherwise it will be really difficult to mass produce such armor.
+Lindybeige do you consider that many rings were perhaps produced by less skilled smiths, and assembly done up until the plates themselves needed?
As a Smith myself, this isn't too terribly difficult to produce, just time consuming.
+Lindybeige
You should make a video about the process of making chain armour - that would be quite interesting considering how time consuming it looks like.
Or perhaps about blacksmiths in particular?
Sir, before mughals you can find the plated armor and mail from the Rajputs and Mewar. The books of India have been distorted by some fancy educational ministers.
If you ever come to India then pay a visit to Chittorgarh fort and the whole Rajasthan one you will find many Armor designs.
You can even find the Plated chest and stomach in the very old dynasties like the Mauryan one.
BRANDS OF SHAMPOO !?, and your discussing the history and methods of war and warfare . That hair product would have made your channel look odd.
best intro in any yt video. the shampoo remark is just amazing
- Concerning fastening the ends of the sleeves by means of the little rings: I think (unless the owner had gloves of some sort which he's attach them to) that perhaps a thin bit of cordage would probably be laced through the rings and then between the fingers, if that makes sense.
- It's usually the simplest explanation that's the correct one, and I think that method has many benefits.
- It would keep the sleeves in place quite well.
- It (being a simple piece of cordage) could be replaced easily if broken or worn out.
- It seems that it would be fairly easy to don.
- I would also imagine that bits of cordage, or some sort of bracer- like device (perhaps made out of leather or other organic material like hemp or linen) would be fastened at strategic points over the mail to make it more form-fitting.
- For example: around the waist, but also perhaps at the wrist, and even maybe above the elbow.
- It's difficult, because a lot of these organically derived materials deteriorate and disappear over time, but I would imagine that there would be many interesting adornments that a soldier might wear about his body. Unfortunately, if that was the case, it seems that most of their physical remains have been lost to history.
--- Anyone have an opinion on this, or want to chime in?