As soon as you learn your boss wants you to return to the office, look for another job which will allow you to work remotely. As soon as you get it email your boss and tell him you won't be back, and he can give you a job to his mother. Maybe SHE will enjoy the commute and the "office interaction."
@@PM_2066 If you have the skills, the positions will always be there. Data centric forward thinking organizations will scoop up the real talent and attract them by having sensible policies.
LMAO, They asked me to start coming in one day a week on a help desk position that turned remote for 3 years. I suspect they want more oversight, though i use their remote workstations.... I cant tell them to give the job to their mother because (respectfully) she passed away and I took over (remotely) and did triple over time so the boss could grieve in piece. They downgraded to a cramped office and want me to share a workstation.. Gross, nope, I'm telling the boss, no way and also i need a raise and also still not going to the office.
commuting costs time, money and energy. and it's a particular annoyance for those who have to rely on public transportation. what is the point of inflicting an unnecessary hardship?
The ones complaining about those who have higher skilled jobs that allow them to work from home are the ones who are usually just upset that they never were allowed to do so themselves. Really, it makes no sense to commute to the office when you aren't doing a customer facing job or a physical labor job. It IS a waste of the employees time and gas. And most WILL quit rather than go back to the office to do what they were already successfully doing at home. That companies loss is another's gain. Most of us, like me that work in IT, have returned to the office only to sit at a desk all day and STILL take meetings via zoom. With little to no interaction with coworkers or management. While in the same building as the management that wanted them to return to the office for in person "connection." Smh At the end of the day, the return to office for most corporations is simply being forced in order to justify paying for these corporate offices. Because if no one is using them, then why have them? What they should do is tear those buildings down and build affordable housing to help with the crisis we have been experiencing across the nation. Especially considering how many full time employees across the nation are living in their cars or on the street. Yet still going to work. Not making a livable wage. Anyone who works full time should be able to at least afford the basics like a roof over their head and food to eat. Cost of living is out of control but people want to argue over remote work? This is all just disgusting.
I think it was the middle management types pushing for return to office all along so they can keep their positions instead of being absorbed with the rest and WFH.
My company wants people to go back to work but they’re afraid people will quit. Their new hires are as of this year are in office only. The rest of us was hired to work remotely. I will go to the office on a hybrid schedule if they make it mandatory but I’m not volunteering.
Or to further maintain integrity of company and client data within the office. Not a good feeling and a potential liability with data going all over the internet even if encrypted. Surprisingly nobody gave this a reason as to why call people back to the office.
The irony, of course, is that the mass resignation may actually fuel return to work, not stop it. By resigning, employees are handing the power back to companies who will replace those leaving with those who will accept office based.
If they want employees to come to the office everyday even though its not a requirement to get the work itself done (and they just want it because it feels better to them and not because its needed for the actual work), they should pay for the gas and the time it takes to get to the office.
So, meanwhile the rest of the world has go back to work or never left. These babies expect more pay just to do what they actually did before the pandemic . Thank goodness that nurses, tradesmen and grocery aren’t such whiners.
The ones complaining about those who have higher skilled jobs that allow them to work from home are the ones who are usually just upset that they never were allowed to do so themselves. Really, it makes no sense to commute to the office when you aren't doing a customer facing job or a physical labor job. It IS a waste of the employees time and gas. Most of us like me that works in IT, have returned to the office only to sit at a desk all day and STILL take meetings via zoom. While in the same building as the management that wanted them to return to the office for in person "connection." SMH At the end of the day, the return to office for most corporations is simply being forced in order to justify paying for these corporate offices. Because if no one is using them, then why have them?
@@Ecleclcticmike10 There are many people who are just as skilled, if not more so who have been working all along. Don’t mistakenly think that everyone who is has too work is less skilled than you. If you can work remotely, so can someone in India , who is willing to work for a lot less than you currently are. This makes you easily replaceable.
@@toothrestorer6588 It would, if it wasn't for the fact that most don't speak english well and are also in a different time zone. Making it inconvenient to work with them for most projects. I work in IT and I have worked with people from overseas. And I can tell you from experience that ai will take over remote jobs long before they ever are completely outsourced overseas. If it were that easy, then it would've been done by now. And I wasn't saying that anyone who doesn't work from home is automatically less skilled than someone who does. I was just stating that only certain careers have skills that allow them to work from home in certain industries. Such as IT or Finance. That is just common sense. So anyone who wants to should consider finding out how to obtain those skills that they have to get into those industries. The fact that people get triggered just by stating the obvious speaks for itself. At the end of the day, if someone wants to be offended, they will be. By anything and anyone. It's not about working remote, it's about how people working remote is making other people feel if you're really being honest with yourself. And if that's the case, then you should ask yourself why YOU feel that way?
@@toothrestorer6588 I don't know. I'm seeing an awful lot of workers talk about being ordered to return to the office, only to find that they are the only person in their office for days at a time. If the manager doesn't intend to ever come back to the office, why would they want their employees to return ? I think a lot of this has to do with the real estate expenses of office parks.
When our company announced the return to office plan almost all of us workers threatened to resign😂 and now its already 2024 and we are still working from home😂
Thank you big companies for training the people who are golden handcuffed so they are required to return to the office. Once they are trained my company will take them off your hands since they will be ready to work from home.
We are being mandated to go back a few days in the office. We don’t want to but they keep sending emails, saying things like we are monitoring your key cards. Is this even legal. It’s not written anywhere either.
This is crazy. The only person that has control over you returning to the office is whoever signs your paycheck, period. No, it doesn't make sense to make people incur the time and cost of returning to office but employers don't care about that. It's all about control. Period. I'm being forced to start going back in soon after four and a half years of working from home. It totally sucks but I need my paycheck.
So during the pandemic it’s ok for me and the rest of the warehouse staff not to come to work some even taking public transport. But all the office staff can work from home forever ? I’m tired of hearing kids in the background while I’m trying to save our company.
You find work as a contractor, moonlight, freelance, gig economy level. Get hired for and complete a particular job/project and then move on to the next gig. The clients/employers at that level only care that you can finish the work on time and accurately and can care less about culture or how, when, or where you work.
They just replaced 38 employees that refused to come back to the office in a week in the company where I work. I work in the IT department of a well known company that I will not mention. People from all over the world come to visit the place where I work. You may put two and two together. These are jobs that pay well over 100,000 a year. People are playing with fire when trying to make their employers submit to them. I seen it with my own eyes 😁 is not going to play out well for the employees.
This is going to be the case increasingly and I'm genuinely concerned how out of touch with how the real world actually functions people have become, especially those who have only worked under the pandemic conditions. Perks, high salary, remote work, free food, fancy offices - these haven't always been the norm and many came about in a hot job market with lots of cheap money - anyone who expects the same in a recession should prepare for a real kick on the happy sack.
So? The 38 employees will eventually find work elsewhere. Either with a company that allows them to continue WFH or continue as a contractor/moonlighter in the gig economy. They'll be fine. Others have other prerogatives such as family and/or retirement, so getting fired is not an issue to them.
Our company has been hiring the talent from these big tech companies so keep it coming. We have taken candidates who were working at google, netflix and amazon for cheap. Thank you for training them for us, we will keep taking them once you train the next lot :)
Don’t show up for work as required, you quit…..Apple et. Al. will be fine even while downsizing. Apple won’t be the only company requiring work presence. Remote only demands from job seekers will fail.
Do you know how much it costs to train a new employee? The upfront costs plus their salary, it's better to retain. Let someone work at home and save money on building space, etc.
And the people calling them slackers, IMO, are being dumb - at least, if my understanding of what this phenomenon is stands correct, and it's basically putting boundaries, not working past your time, not answering emails off the clock, etc.
Businesses will have lots of liability for being willy nilly with the customers information being scattered all around and not secure within an office setting
This is why they some companies want people to come back to the office or continue to work through the pandemic in the office wearing a mask all day. Surprisingly nobody talks about it.
@@ST-rj8iu oh you think talking on speaker phone with your sneaky roommates hearing that people's information is safe? How do you like knowing when you're calling a company, that you think is in an office , but really you're on speakerphone with some guy on the park bench with everybody hearing all of your personal information? Does that make you feel like your information is secure as possible?
@@MagnificentSails because you cannot hit record and share it anyway? How about not talking personal information to begin with? And if people don't know me, who cares if they know my medical information? Why would you laugh anyway. Get a life!
Lol, you're a goofy guy. Don't even know how old she is. She ran a study and presented the numbers. And she is fully employed doing her job. Make it make sense. You can't. Ha.
@@PM_2066 pretty much ... Been working 20 odd years, PE and IB career. Now at senior mgmt level - we all know there is a productivity problem. There was always an 80/20 rule ... Now unfortunately, the people who were sloppy before are abysmal in work performance...and people who were competent and hard working before work the same or harder (from home or office)...how to fix it? All the under performers will be forced back to office or fired... Since they are doing extremely bad anyways, we don't lose anything (if anything a chance to replace a laggard or dinosaur with someone more deserving)... The ones who were hard working before covid and performed well during covid regardless of work from home, we are more than happy to offer than more flexibility to retain them...afterall who would want to risk losing super stars.... Facts .... Work hard, whine less ...it will always be rewarded
Is going to the office really that difficult for you people? I was an analyst for 5 years before becoming a firefighter. There’s is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING difficult about being an office worker lol. Thank God you guys work from home, we wouldn’t want y’all dying of inconvenience in the workplace.
From what I'm seeing, it's the commute that people don't want. Two hours a day on the road really adds up. And if the work got done from home during quarantine, why die on the hill at the office?
The firehouse is like home away from home so it’s not a comparable. Quarters,gym, fancy kitchen, recliners and satellite tv. Never seen a fireman in a cubicle lol.
are the 1000s qualified? good luck finding quality employees. we're talking knowledge and skilled work here. You must be thinking about fast food servers.
Yeah, they have to find employees dedicaded to follow unreasonable and time and gas wasting company rules. Its like having to drive to a walmart 30 miles away instead of going to the walmart in your neighborhood.
This is to those who refuse to return to the office. Quit your job and go freelance. Oh that’s right, you don’t want to because that would require being fully responsible for your own health insurance, tax deductions and retirement plans. NEWSFLASH! No matter how skilled you are you’re just another number as in “EXPENDABLE.” And with all of these layoffs happening I’m sure that there are plenty of unemployed people out there ready to take your place.
As soon as you learn your boss wants you to return to the office, look for another job which will allow you to work remotely. As soon as you get it email your boss and tell him you won't be back, and he can give you a job to his mother. Maybe SHE will enjoy the commute and the "office interaction."
@@PM_2066 If you have the skills, the positions will always be there. Data centric forward thinking organizations will scoop up the real talent and attract them by having sensible policies.
this times 100000
Or just start looking before the boss even asks you.
LMAO, They asked me to start coming in one day a week on a help desk position that turned remote for 3 years. I suspect they want more oversight, though i use their remote workstations.... I cant tell them to give the job to their mother because (respectfully) she passed away and I took over (remotely) and did triple over time so the boss could grieve in piece. They downgraded to a cramped office and want me to share a workstation.. Gross, nope, I'm telling the boss, no way and also i need a raise and also still not going to the office.
commuting costs time, money and energy. and it's a particular annoyance for those who have to rely on public transportation. what is the point of inflicting an unnecessary hardship?
mandatory working from office and then sitting on zoom call all day long, fighting for AC temperature, being unhappy, this is huge win for employers
pay people better offer food and snacks then
The ones complaining about those who have higher skilled jobs that allow them to work from home are the ones who are usually just upset that they never were allowed to do so themselves. Really, it makes no sense to commute to the office when you aren't doing a customer facing job or a physical labor job. It IS a waste of the employees time and gas. And most WILL quit rather than go back to the office to do what they were already successfully doing at home. That companies loss is another's gain.
Most of us, like me that work in IT, have returned to the office only to sit at a desk all day and STILL take meetings via zoom. With little to no interaction with coworkers or management. While in the same building as the management that wanted them to return to the office for in person "connection." Smh
At the end of the day, the return to office for most corporations is simply being forced in order to justify paying for these corporate offices. Because if no one is using them, then why have them?
What they should do is tear those buildings down and build affordable housing to help with the crisis we have been experiencing across the nation.
Especially considering how many full time employees across the nation are living in their cars or on the street. Yet still going to work. Not making a livable wage. Anyone who works full time should be able to at least afford the basics like a roof over their head and food to eat. Cost of living is out of control but people want to argue over remote work? This is all just disgusting.
Bro exactly and having to force fake conversations with nosy coworkers. I can get my job done from hone in peace
I think it was the middle management types pushing for return to office all along so they can keep their positions instead of being absorbed with the rest and WFH.
My company wants people to go back to work but they’re afraid people will quit. Their new hires are as of this year are in office only. The rest of us was hired to work remotely. I will go to the office on a hybrid schedule if they make it mandatory but I’m not volunteering.
had an interview where they expect everyone now in office 5 days a week and it is a 50 mile round trip commute.
Bosses want workers back to have their ego stroked.
Or to further maintain integrity of company and client data within the office. Not a good feeling and a potential liability with data going all over the internet even if encrypted. Surprisingly nobody gave this a reason as to why call people back to the office.
I didn't realise Ryan Gosling moonlighted as a news anchor
The irony, of course, is that the mass resignation may actually fuel return to work, not stop it. By resigning, employees are handing the power back to companies who will replace those leaving with those who will accept office based.
If they want employees to come to the office everyday even though its not a requirement to get the work itself done (and they just want it because it feels better to them and not because its needed for the actual work), they should pay for the gas and the time it takes to get to the office.
So, meanwhile the rest of the world has go back to work or never left. These babies expect more pay just to do what they actually did before the pandemic . Thank goodness that nurses, tradesmen and grocery aren’t such whiners.
The ones complaining about those who have higher skilled jobs that allow them to work from home are the ones who are usually just upset that they never were allowed to do so themselves. Really, it makes no sense to commute to the office when you aren't doing a customer facing job or a physical labor job. It IS a waste of the employees time and gas.
Most of us like me that works in IT, have returned to the office only to sit at a desk all day and STILL take meetings via zoom. While in the same building as the management that wanted them to return to the office for in person "connection." SMH
At the end of the day, the return to office for most corporations is simply being forced in order to justify paying for these corporate offices. Because if no one is using them, then why have them?
@@Ecleclcticmike10 There are many people who are just as skilled, if not more so who have been working all along. Don’t mistakenly think that everyone who is has too work is less skilled than you. If you can work remotely, so can someone in India , who is willing to work for a lot less than you currently are. This makes you easily replaceable.
@@toothrestorer6588 It would, if it wasn't for the fact that most don't speak english well and are also in a different time zone. Making it inconvenient to work with them for most projects. I work in IT and I have worked with people from overseas. And I can tell you from experience that ai will take over remote jobs long before they ever are completely outsourced overseas. If it were that easy, then it would've been done by now.
And I wasn't saying that anyone who doesn't work from home is automatically less skilled than someone who does. I was just stating that only certain careers have skills that allow them to work from home in certain industries. Such as IT or Finance. That is just common sense. So anyone who wants to should consider finding out how to obtain those skills that they have to get into those industries.
The fact that people get triggered just by stating the obvious speaks for itself. At the end of the day, if someone wants to be offended, they will be. By anything and anyone. It's not about working remote, it's about how people working remote is making other people feel if you're really being honest with yourself. And if that's the case, then you should ask yourself why YOU feel that way?
@@toothrestorer6588 I don't know. I'm seeing an awful lot of workers talk about being ordered to return to the office, only to find that they are the only person in their office for days at a time. If the manager doesn't intend to ever come back to the office, why would they want their employees to return ?
I think a lot of this has to do with the real estate expenses of office parks.
When our company announced the return to office plan almost all of us workers threatened to resign😂 and now its already 2024 and we are still working from home😂
This guest is so right. Need her on more often!
The male host is so out of touch.
Thank you big companies for training the people who are golden handcuffed so they are required to return to the office. Once they are trained my company will take them off your hands since they will be ready to work from home.
We are being mandated to go back a few days in the office. We don’t want to but they keep sending emails, saying things like we are monitoring your key cards. Is this even legal. It’s not written anywhere either.
I have an experience when there's an exclamation point! WOW that is scary
What do these bosses have in common that want people back into the office?
control, possession
Real estate investments
Maintaining the value of their substantial commercial real estate portfolios
This is crazy. The only person that has control over you returning to the office is whoever signs your paycheck, period. No, it doesn't make sense to make people incur the time and cost of returning to office but employers don't care about that. It's all about control. Period. I'm being forced to start going back in soon after four and a half years of working from home. It totally sucks but I need my paycheck.
So during the pandemic it’s ok for me and the rest of the warehouse staff not to come to work some even taking public transport. But all the office staff can work from home forever ? I’m tired of hearing kids in the background while I’m trying to save our company.
3:09 BINGO
What happens when you quit your job, but all the other companies also want you to work in the office?
You find work as a contractor, moonlight, freelance, gig economy level. Get hired for and complete a particular job/project and then move on to the next gig. The clients/employers at that level only care that you can finish the work on time and accurately and can care less about culture or how, when, or where you work.
Commercial space wont sell/investment made
Employee micro-managing etc
This will change with a heavy recession. Bosses will lay off the remote ones. As things recover the new jobs will require office attendance.
all these "phrases" are simply normal human interaction with the world
They just replaced 38 employees that refused to come back to the office in a week in the company where I work. I work in the IT department of a well known company that I will not mention. People from all over the world come to visit the place where I work. You may put two and two together. These are jobs that pay well over 100,000 a year. People are playing with fire when trying to make their employers submit to them. I seen it with my own eyes 😁 is not going to play out well for the employees.
This is going to be the case increasingly and I'm genuinely concerned how out of touch with how the real world actually functions people have become, especially those who have only worked under the pandemic conditions.
Perks, high salary, remote work, free food, fancy offices - these haven't always been the norm and many came about in a hot job market with lots of cheap money - anyone who expects the same in a recession should prepare for a real kick on the happy sack.
So? The 38 employees will eventually find work elsewhere. Either with a company that allows them to continue WFH or continue as a contractor/moonlighter in the gig economy. They'll be fine. Others have other prerogatives such as family and/or retirement, so getting fired is not an issue to them.
How does that boot taste hmm?😁
Our company has been hiring the talent from these big tech companies so keep it coming. We have taken candidates who were working at google, netflix and amazon for cheap. Thank you for training them for us, we will keep taking them once you train the next lot :)
Wow, so many commenters here seem to like the taste of boots
Don’t show up for work as required, you quit…..Apple et. Al. will be fine even while downsizing. Apple won’t be the only company requiring work presence. Remote only demands from job seekers will fail.
And apple employees probably won't have any problem finding another job.
Sounds like you just want people to go into the office unnecessarily to be miserable alongside you, pathetic.
That will end when the layoffs start picking up steam
Exactly, even if they leave, there are other people who do want to work and wont complain about coming in to the office or workspace.
Do you know how much it costs to train a new employee? The upfront costs plus their salary, it's better to retain. Let someone work at home and save money on building space, etc.
Lol - yeah that’s why the unemployment rate is at a record low with an unprecedented amount of openings.
@@miraclemile837 Unproductive yes men.
@@miraclemile837 How many of those will be in the area and be able to afford the housing in those areas?
Formerly, "Quiet Quitters" were just called "Slackers".
And the people calling them slackers, IMO, are being dumb - at least, if my understanding of what this phenomenon is stands correct, and it's basically putting boundaries, not working past your time, not answering emails off the clock, etc.
Businesses will have lots of liability for being willy nilly with the customers information being scattered all around and not secure within an office setting
This is why they some companies want people to come back to the office or continue to work through the pandemic in the office wearing a mask all day. Surprisingly nobody talks about it.
Nice try lol
oh yes, because sending emails to anyone is dangerous. LOL
@@ST-rj8iu oh you think talking on speaker phone with your sneaky roommates hearing that people's information is safe? How do you like knowing when you're calling a company, that you think is in an office , but really you're on speakerphone with some guy on the park bench with everybody hearing all of your personal information? Does that make you feel like your information is secure as possible?
@@MagnificentSails because you cannot hit record and share it anyway? How about not talking personal information to begin with? And if people don't know me, who cares if they know my medical information? Why would you laugh anyway. Get a life!
The guest is a young entitled chick
Lol, you're a goofy guy. Don't even know how old she is. She ran a study and presented the numbers. And she is fully employed doing her job. Make it make sense. You can't. Ha.
@@quinnh1398 research
Found the person afraid of data.
She is clearly infinitely more intelligent and experienced than you.
@@PM_2066 pretty much ... Been working 20 odd years, PE and IB career. Now at senior mgmt level - we all know there is a productivity problem. There was always an 80/20 rule ... Now unfortunately, the people who were sloppy before are abysmal in work performance...and people who were competent and hard working before work the same or harder (from home or office)...how to fix it? All the under performers will be forced back to office or fired... Since they are doing extremely bad anyways, we don't lose anything (if anything a chance to replace a laggard or dinosaur with someone more deserving)... The ones who were hard working before covid and performed well during covid regardless of work from home, we are more than happy to offer than more flexibility to retain them...afterall who would want to risk losing super stars....
Facts .... Work hard, whine less ...it will always be rewarded
Is going to the office really that difficult for you people? I was an analyst for 5 years before becoming a firefighter.
There’s is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING difficult about being an office worker lol.
Thank God you guys work from home, we wouldn’t want y’all dying of inconvenience in the workplace.
From what I'm seeing, it's the commute that people don't want. Two hours a day on the road really adds up. And if the work got done from home during quarantine, why die on the hill at the office?
The firehouse is like home away from home so it’s not a comparable. Quarters,gym, fancy kitchen, recliners and satellite tv. Never seen a fireman in a cubicle lol.
It is so easy it can be done from home...
Goodbye lazy people, work or go hungery
Fire them. Their are 1000's who will work.
FIRE THEM
are the 1000s qualified? good luck finding quality employees. we're talking knowledge and skilled work here. You must be thinking about fast food servers.
this comment did not age well lul!
Lol you people really are out of touch with the current work force and the locations of most of these businesses.
@@rosemarysypolt2197 listen to you.
Fire all those APPLE employees refusing to go back to work and then hire employees dedicated to follow company rules....
Yeah. We’ll see if you’re still saying that when all your iOS apps and Apple TV start crashing.
haha do you have any idea how much effort, time, and money it takes to hire someone for Apple? We're talking software engineer types here.
Yeah, they have to find employees dedicaded to follow unreasonable and time and gas wasting company rules. Its like having to drive to a walmart 30 miles away instead of going to the walmart in your neighborhood.
That would be a dumb course of action.
This is to those who refuse to return to the office.
Quit your job and go freelance. Oh that’s right, you don’t want to because that would require being fully responsible for your own health insurance, tax deductions and retirement plans. NEWSFLASH! No matter how skilled you are you’re just another number as in “EXPENDABLE.” And with all of these layoffs happening I’m sure that there are plenty of unemployed people out there ready to take your place.