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- Many companies and employees are clashing over return-to-office policies. Axios communications reporter Eleanor Hawkins joined CBS News' Vladimir Duthiers and Anne-Marie Green to discuss the friction and how to find balance in the workplace.
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WFH saves me at least 2-3 hours a day. Why would I want to go back to the office and deal with office drama?
People who work from home suck. Took them forever to respond. Slow everything down. If I show up to their office, they will have to give me answer right there.
@@teole6364 There are slackers, but digital tools could close such gaps. Did you call/Zoom or ping the person? If not, you’re not leveraging available digital tools.
When you were hired were you hired to work at the workplace? Or from home? If you were hire to work at the workplace get back to the work place. It’s a bit ridiculous otherwise.
@@teole6364then fire the slackers, dont punish everyone else just because a select few sucks
@@KennnnyT if people don’t have the discipline to drive in, they definitely slacking at home.
I won't ever return to a office full time. I used to spend 3 hours every day, 15 hours a week, 60 hours a month, getting ready and traveling to and from work. Thanks, but I'll pass, people were not supposed to live this way. This highlights how little businesses care about their employees... Time is the only real thing we have in this life, how we spend it should be meaningful.
Omg yes! Time. People forget about that. We all age, we can't take time back, and we can always die tmrw. Thankfully only wasted 4 years of my life in an office. Now fully remote, 28 and earning $112k+. Turn down offers of 140k+, because it's not worth it to me even if only hybrid.
@@djm2189 Stuff like that is so encouraging. Rejecting the higher pay for a greater quality of life. Having a higher buy price for yourself that money can’t buy is a good place to be.
Well I hope the spoiled corporate workers could throw healthcare workers a bone (where massive shortages exist) with laws. We don’t have a choice if you’re in direct patient care. A 6 hour workday x 5 days a week would be great since we have to still commute. Hearing a groan from your supervisor every time you want off isn’t pleasant either with skeleton staffs.
Exactly, it feels like you are in prison or something, having to return to your cell so wardens can check on you lol.
"people were not supposed to live this way" well thankfully doctors, law enforcement, construction workers, service workers, and onsite engineers are willing to live such inhumane lives.....
Why would anyone want to return to the commuter rat race? It’s been proven that work from home works
The issue isn't whether remote workers want to or not. There wouldn't be a push for a return to office if companies could keep their remote workers happy if there were no loss in productivity. But my guess is there is and companies want workers back thinking that workers are more productive in the office. Who is to say this isn't true? We all could imagine a good number of workers out there who are not actually that productive without visibly being supervised or rounded on by a manager. Remote work reduces accountability.
@@johns5177a work at home RN case manager for Anthem Blue Cross and Health Net for years before this pandemic. They were one of the first corporate companies to send some of their licensed professionals home to work. It was a salaried position with great benefits and pay and amazing flexibility if you were hired and could handle the job. It was extremely difficult and demanding with much responsibility. Sometimes the hours were late into the night and the company expected you to get the work done no matter what time it was. Hospitals run 24-7 and the work is time-sensitive. That said, only certain professional employees were allowed to work at home and it was strictly regulated and monitored in terms of performance. They would bring their nurses back to the office if they failed to meet standards.
Corporations love to micromanage their employees and to be honest, unlicensed workers and workers without a college education don’t have the work ethic or self discipline to work at home. They aren’t self-starters and if they were, they would have higher-paying jobs to begin with.
@@johns5177 go through all of the effort of commuting to work just to still sit on a virtual zoom meeting for a majority of the time. plus being back in office brings back issues of harrassment and discrimination based on looks or similar issues. much less of those issues being remote.
@@jonasbaine3538 I quit a job like that, they changed the location overnight. We sat in a small office communicating on teams. Fkng stupid
@@johns5177 That claim about productivity loss when WFH is BS. Every week the output of my coworkers and me is individually measured, recorded, and tracked. I've been WFH and I've actually increased the amount of work I've gotten done BECAUSE I didn't have to worry about commuting, getting ready in the morning, and even because I could work almost whenever I wanted and take breaks almost whenever I wanted. WFH allows me to let my work speak for itself instead of being just another victim of office politics.
I'm at the middle of my professional life and have never had a WFH job, until now. I absolutely love it! No traffic, no office politics or noise to distract me, better diet, less expenses, better work-life balance... The list goes on, I'll never go back into an office regularly for employment. Yes, I do have to make site visits for inspections, but that's on my own clock.
What's great is bad weather days that shut down the office doesn't shut down wfh.
If you're taking medicine that state don't drive or simply would normally call out sick, you can wfh.
No more parking tickets or parking fees.
Car insurance dropped as the car isn't used anywhere as much.
The company downsized office space and saved money.
I get more distractions at the office because there is always a group of people that want to chat and gossip, but if you wfh, people really can't schedule walking to your desk to gossip (on zoom)
I love not having to commute or buy work clothes. I save on gas and wear and tear on my vehicle. I gained 10 hours of time by not having to commute.
Site inspections on your time or company time? LOL Sounds like you got a bad gig if its on your time
@@fib4923 I think they meant like they show up for inspection when their schedule allows it lol
You mean I get to pay for daycare for my kids, pay for gas, pack a lunch, commute to work, deal with interpersonal squabbles from coworkers, and I don't get paid any more for it? Sign me up!
You mean like you were doing before?
@@1981lashlarue I'll never understand why people walk around with lighters. It's like everyone forgot flint and steel.
@@Dead_Heir Not to mention being late because of traffic or accidents which put blemishes on your record
You know, like a regular job. Yah.
@@JK-br1mu yup the same job I can do just as well at home..
it’s dumb to require people who can work from home to return to an office.
You’re returning to work Because the person who has 30 others lined up wanting your job and just so happens to put his signature on your paychecks says so. And that’s all you need to know son
@@jsperez240 this issue doesn’t affect me personally. but unlike you, i care about the quality of life of others. it’s a thing known as empathy.
@@jsperez240you must be an old man. Also this isn’t Mexico bro.
@@CobraCommander11 what does my age have to do with anything punk? I’m 69 years old , those are EXPERIENCED YEARS. Recession years
@@jsperez240 Ok Boomer.
Remote work is the wave of the future. Hybrid schedules should be an option ONLY, not mandatory. I’m 100% remote and I LOVE IT. I’m hoping to never have to go back in an office setting again, especially not at the low rates employers pay these days.
Most employers just cannot let go of micromanagement and want their employees in the office for pure oversight. I think that is why they want them back in person regardless of what productivity and results show...
Traders used to trade on the NYSE floor yelling at each other and making hand signals; now, all the tradings happen behind a computer.
Time has changed, employers should adapt.
Yep that’s exactly it. What gets me is these companies still want to offer the same low pay they did before the pandemic, but the cost of living is much higher now. So not only is commuting to work a waste of time, it’s also forcing people to take a pay cut
Bingo - it’s about consolidating managerial control over employees and justifying their often inflated salaries.
This is the exact reason. Managerial staff is terrified they will be downsized if there is no need to continually supervise employees.
Exactly!!!!!
There’s absolutely no reason to be loyal to any corporation in 2023. The chances of keeping your job, earning a pension or getting any perks are gone. So people are focusing more on their lives rather than making work their life.
They surely do make loyalty difficult even to the ones that want to maintain it.
Truth!!
I’ve worked in IT for over 10 years and saw a noticeable uptick in productivity during the pandemic… Deliverables were completed on time, Slack messages and emails got replies within minutes not hours or days. However, since we’ve been back in the office, it’s been back to the delays and organized chaos.
My theory is that not being in the office reduced distractions, increased actual work time due to lack of commuting and 2 hour lunch breaks, as well as increased the overall sense of accountability across disciplines. No one could rely on their interpersonal relationships or “cooler talk” skills for job security. Your work had to speak for itself.
Yes since being back in the office, so much of my time is wasted hearing about somebody’s dog or kids, overhearing gossip, going to this team get together or the other, but not actually getting more work done. I end up having to catch up from home anyway.
i agree with you but as your in IT you may know a bit more as i was thinking there must be some IT jobs were it wouldnt be safe for people being at home for security reason or personal info being hacked more likly for unsecure networks, so do you think theres some jobs that shouldnt be allowed to be at home accourding to IT jobs? sry for the bad spelling no auto correct to help.
@@meowmix3722 If the job deals with the physical maintenance and/or security of hardware, then being on site may be necessary. But your most common IT workers simply use a VPN (virtual private network) to access a company’s secure data. If needed, they’re given special hardware for additional security.
Pretty much all of the talk in favor of
in office work is executive b.s. about culture and micromanagers who don’t have a good handle on the success criteria of their direct reports. Some of them actually think seeing someone at a desk tells them something about how well they’re doing their job.
Exactly what I said. Those who have the gift of gab are now in the position of actually having to show and prove. That’s why they’re primarily the ones who miss the office.
I find so true. I always am afraid of people thinking I’m not working as hard when I’m WFH, so I make sure to never get lazy. Because at the end of the day when all said. Your work will speak for its self.
WFH makes me not call in sick for work. I honestly love working from home 2 days a week. My elderly mom also loves it because she's not in the house by herself.
Yes me too!
Companies that offer WFH will get the pick of the most talented candidates while companies that remain strictly office-based will get whatever is left over. There are many candidates out there looking for jobs that simply are not interested in working in an office-based environment.
So what makes you think these companies won't outsource these jobs overseas for cheaper labor?
@@ocampbell1954 outsourcing labor isn’t as cheap as it used to be and there are quite a few jobs that simply can’t be outsourced. It’s a workers’ job market and will probably continue to be for some time.
@@ocampbell1954 because it’s not convenient too. The jobs that have become hybrid or fully remote aren’t your average telecommuting jobs. It’s accounting, analysts, software engineers -mostly higher skill level jobs that would be very inconvenient to move to another country without building the proper infrastructure needed first. Information jobs are more likely to be automated before they are outsourced.
@@jakem3043 What makes you think any of those jobs can't be outsourced to a country like India that clearly has the people to do Software engineering, IT, accounting, etc. All these so called high skilled jobs that they are more than qualified for.
@@ocampbell1954 and yet those same people you talk about are coming to the US for better opportunities. The fact is the US has a larger pool of high skill labor than India and probably more than any other country you can think of that can do the job “cheaper”. Not to mention, economically, politically and socially the US is more stable relatively speaking. Infrastructure and politics matters today more than ever and therefore it matters where you move your operations. Many of the jobs I refer to are also Corporate type of jobs. You really think a company would move their corporation to a developing nation? These are jobs that work with tons of data and information-you can’t just outsource them without training people on business rules, procedures, and general subject matter which takes time to learn outside of just any skill. This isn’t factory work where employees are exactly expendable anymore. And even if they did outsource, you think the US government would allow that? There would be steep taxes for corporations that offshore their high skill labor to another country even if it was feasible.
I would think companies would be thrilled to save money on office supplies and utility bills, by allowing people to work from home.
Well with wfh, they don't get to business expense those bills to pay less in taxes. Plus how can they watch the workers
Middle management needs to be in the office when they pretend to work. Can’t waste time at meetings with no one there.
But most companies are control freaks. They want to be able to be watching over the shoulder of their employees as they work.
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What % of people actually give a full-day’s work, when working from home? & how in the world can an employee think they have the *right* to demand they be permitted to work from home? It’s a privilege, not an entitlement. People are such whiners. Go to work (and stop whining) - or start your own business and run it the way you want.
It's simply a power play by those corporations who have poor management structures and old fashion work environments. These corporations will lose in the long run as the train has left the station.
Speaking of poor mangement, working in the office allows bosses to harass their employees. I got to experience workplace abuse from Brent Forslin and Angela Mead of HGA Architects and Engineers. WFH means you can record that abuse and post it on TH-cam for all to see. th-cam.com/play/PLZf9uyhYCn4Oo_K5e6RF36IJDyiIwk7Uh.html
I have been asking to work from home for 20 years. Finally I have it and I’m good!
I’m happy for you!! I’m currently hoping to get a work from home job too.
@@kimchi8022 for people that are coming for example from the hospitality industry they want to apply to work at an office but is a totally different environment. Some don’t even meet the job requirements to be call for an interview
Remote workers have already proven Elon Musk is wrong. WFH is working for lots of people. This is the new normal.
Spoken like a true libertarian, n00b.
The boomers hate it and want to change it back.
Interesting, do you build rockets remotely, or car engines and stuff like that?
@@user9b2 Those require being in the office. Jobs that are desk work are able to be done remotely. I personally don’t want something 100 percent remote after grad school because it is hard to develop relationships with clients remotely or build trust with senior management to take clients as a junior associate.
@@user9b2 now you're talking about a very small percentage of ppl.
I absolutely love working from home!!! I save money on gas, lunch, and clothes. Plus commuting doesn't make me tired and I don't have to deal with aggressive drivers on the road!!! I was in two toxic work environments!! I didn't like this.
Working in an office, you deal with gossip, Supervisor favorite, older coworker, micromanaging and coworkers who don't want to do there work. I rather be home working and avoid all this! Too much drama too deal with.
This is such a missed opportunity. This is a “benefit” that literally costs nothing to the employer. It improves morale and helps improve job satisfaction. Unless performance is slipping or deadlines are getting missed, this is going to be a losing proposition for lots of companies
Performance IS SLIPPING. What makes you think you know more about the business you work for than the owner of that business? You don’t know about all the complaints management gets about the quality of your customer service and the quality of your work.
@@jsperez240 really? Performance is slipping across every company and every industry? My job told us we were all killing it but they kept trying to force us back to the office.
@@jsperez240 If performance is slipping, you let that employee go and hire a new one.
@@derekfreiley7980 they only said that to make you feel better. Truth is you can’t handle working from home. I’ve seen it in many industries, including my payroll company
@@jsperez240 okay…. Whatever you say….
My favorite moment recently was someone suggesting in an in person meeting that everyone take it from their desk because it was unfair to those not in the room. So you guys want us to come to the office just to end up on phone calls on Teams or Zoom anyway. Even from the office, half my time is spent on Teams. It’s so silly.
Unless they're going to make everyone be in the office on the same days, you are absolutely correct about sitting in a cubicle with a headset on.
Yes! We work 3 days/wk. Supposedly went back to the office for more collaboration but everyone does meetings from TEAMS still! I feel a lot of it has to do with the building and the amenities at the building.
@ghost mall Get it. I was referring to my place of work. A half empty building, a cafeteria and gym with trainers would be a loss for them.
I love when people's response to this is "oh yeah well remote work isn't an option in *my* industry, therefore they should just return to the office and shut up forever". By that logic, I should rail against other workers getting overtime pay since I'm salaried and not eligible for it. If you demand WFH ends, don't ever complain about the traffic or increased emissions, either.
Those are ppl who want to WFH but can’t, the word for it is jealousy. But also to be honest, many WFH ppl have an arrogance and entitlement about it. All you have to do is look at some of the comments here. I acknowledge the privileged I had in being able to WFH, especially during lockdown when others were laid off. I acknowledge that some were focused back into the office because they have ppl depending on them. My boyfriend hates WFH ppl because he said we come off like corporations owe us some thing ( which they don’t), and we act so superior and outraged over first world problems of oh my God we have to go back to the office. And I acknowledge I was one of them. WFH is a privilege not an entitlement. I think that’s what bothers some people as well as being jealous of the fact that we do have that option. But, I don’t think we should act entitled to it and that our employers own it to us, because true is, they don’t, we are their employees. And many of us do come off as entitled brats. 😂😂😂
They should leave that job and get a job that does allow work from home then.
If a massive amount of people do that then there will be a massive shortage of in-person work and wages will go up for that job.
OCCASIONALLY the free market benefits workers if you play your cards right.
As a WFH creature eight years before the pandemic, I knew companies will be forcing their employees back to the office once the pandemic was over. I could see through the facade when they put out statement touting remote work as the future of work. I am glad some are quitting because they like alternatives.
May I ask what you do? It’s high time I change my line of career.
Technology makes work from home viable. What this does is makes managers irrelevant. I deal directly with my customers here at home, more easily than if in the office where distractions and noise from the open floor plan are constant.
Or getting called into waste of time meetings or little get togethers to discuss company culture or some middle management drone needing to “touch base,” but not discuss anything relevant.
The same open floor plan they use to try to micro manage.
Our last CEO was extremely short so when we had an office re-design he specifically ordered cubicle walls to be short enough that he could look into your workspace.
Exactly
Translation: I enjoy being unsupervised so I can do my personal stuff during work hours.
Yeah don't forget about the mental games played in the office, work place bullying is real and has gotten worse, I think the government should step in and make an employer give options due to the pollution and gas ⛽️ issues., what if you had options 🤔, for those who use the office to get away from home life they may want to be in the office full-time, for those who don't mind being in the office sometimes, a hybrid option and you get to choose how many days a week you are there, and then fully remote option, also the employer can maybe have a policy where the employee has to pay for there own equipment if they choose to work from home. I would be glad to pay for mine.😊 , savings on gas and daycare alone would help you pay for your equipment, has anyone noticed how bad children has gotten, WFH would keep parents at home so they can raise their children, instead of them not being there at a job in a cubicle all day long , savings on daycare, what is wrong with options if your job can be worked from home
It makes no sense to force people to come back into an office when they don't want to and they have been successfully doing their job at home for over 3 years. Loss of time commuting, cost, lost time with family, etc. are all reasons I will never go back into an office. Time is finite and I will no longer waste it sitting on a subway to get into an office where I sit there and do exactly what I can do from home.
Depends on the job. Forcing people to do an insane commute, when it's not needed, is just adding to air pollution, increased insurance, stress, and wasted time.
Pick other job/company. Nobody is forcing anybody you are paid to show up and work if not you can leave
@@ramos_pinho117 yeah hi did you know that food and shelter costs money? Mindblowing right?
Besides its just one company, its not like every major white collar employer in the US collectively decided within the same 3 month period that workers should be forced back into the office OH WAIT
@ramos_pinho117 yea right? Oh the commute in my plush car with music and ac is so much work. Didnt our grandparents have to walk miles to get to the store? I didnt want to go to school but i had to take a bus, walk, or bike it there. Why cant I school from home and save the world from carbon emissons from school buses.
I got bunch of recruiters reached out to me for hybrid work pays are good. But I would rather stick on my fully remote work even though pay is lower
When you run the numbers it's not that much of a difference. Well unless it's 20% but even then I'm much happier at home. I'm 28, earn $112k+, keep turning down offers of 140k+. I'm like naw I love being remote and flexible. I make enough that it's not worth it.
You are winning when you are willing to take a lower pay for greater quality of life. Sadly, many seem to go at it backwards. I’ve been guilty of it too.
But if i could find a job that is 50% or more than what I currently making I’ll jump on it
@@djm2189 how many years of experience do you have? What field? Cause I feel like I’m super underpaid
@@drew9073 sure I'll give ya some info if you could also provide yours. Also region. So I'm in SoCal. Graduated Uni 2016 BS in computer science. First job paid 55k then next year 65k then 75k. Jumped into pharma and went 80k, 100k and now 112k+. I jump companies frequently thus earning more than staying put.
Some people don’t have an identity outside of the office. The office is their life. 🥴
Grateful that I retired early. I still loved the work, but I was completely burned out by the office politics and drama.
Employees should have a right to work from home if it doesn't impact productivity.
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The old ways of getting a promotion are over. Being seen in the office doesn't get you a promotion. Moving to another company does. Even if your current company promotes you, you would make much more money moving to another company. Job hopping is the way to go. I've been WFH for 12 years and worked 12 before that in an office setting. I get more raises and "promotions" being WFH than in the office. Not too mention all the additional time and the cost savings from not commuting.
And that’s why a lot of people want remote work to continue. If more companies allow it, chances are others will too….
Commute costs, child care, wardrobe. Meals. Give me a raise that cover those costs.
You do realize most people work full time onsite right?
@@Mike-dd8bd uh yea. I spoke to a gal this morning in Seattle. She is a mom. She commutes 2 hours each way to get to her job. Shes got degrees, but cant afford rent closer to her job. She spends 600 a month on gas plus overtime child care. Shes as productive remotely, but Boeing isn't having it.
My company is hybrid 2 days at the office and 3 days at home. It works just fine and everyone’s happy.
I’m a CPA. I work 2 days in the office and 3 days from home. I honestly really enjoy it. I like being in the office because I tend to be more productive and I enjoy getting to know my team. My boss takes us out to lunch or caters food. Conversely, I like working from home because I can squeeze out an extra hour of sleep, and I can roll right out of bed. Also power naps while WFH are amazing. I love the flexibility and I would be very hesitant of a position in my industry that requires 5 days in the office.
We had a survey sent today about it...anonymous...nobody wants to go 5 days a week 1-2 days max...we proved after 3 years being home we are more productive and the company is financially better!
Alot of people dont wanna deal with the standard toxic work environment where you spend much of your week around people you just dont like all that much. In most cases, co workers are not your friends. So less time around fake work friends means more time around real friends and family, or just more alone time.
I don't understand the hybrid model, tbh, and many workers agreeing to it. I work remotely and would never agree to on-site or hybrid because both would require me to move closer to the office, usually in a major metropolis, without the bump in standard-of-living pay. Also, I got 2 raises and promos as a remote employee in just 2 years--I think there's no impact on career advancement when more than 1/2 the organization is allowed to work remotely.
Well that's the thing. Both you and i have great wfh situations. But many companies nowadays won't allow it and push for a maximum of hybrid. If you're looking for a job then it's better than nothing. Granted many will still be open and looking hoping for a fully remote position. Friends doing that. We unfortunately have bills and sometimes you gotta take something in the meantime.
I am forced to come to office 3 days a week. Either that or go homeless
@@adammorra3813 Its almost like a job is a means of survival or something.
I think it depends. When we were planning our return to the office, I was honestly shocked that everyone on my team was looking forward to a couple days a week in the office with other people. Not a single person wanted to remain fully remote (including myself, which surprised me 😅).
@Mike exactly and i have no leverage
If you can do your job from home and don't need someone supervising, then it seems a dumb move for businesses. Just give employees a raise for internet and phone services and they'd save so much in overhead.
They won’t insure you then, because if you’re under the clock at your house you could sue or claim insurance/workers comp since you are on the clock at your house. That means if you fall and break a leg at your house on the clock you could be eligible to claim coworkers comp. Its a matter of legality not what you think it’s right or wrong.
@@gilberttorres8 I don't understand the difference. If you fall and break your leg at a business on the clock, you're still going to get workers comp. Require ppl to have a camera in their office so nothing unsavory happens. Simple solutions
@@gilberttorres8 People were already covered for worker’s comp when working from home before the pandemic. They claims with desk jobs are rare, people just need to have an ergonomic desk set up.
@@DebraJohnson you don’t understand, the problem is that you’re more likely to get into an accident at home than at work, work has to pass inspections from OSHA to make sure you’re safe at work. OSHA doesn’t go to your house, for all we know it could be a mess and spell out workers Como everywhere in your house. Such as kids toys on the floor that you can trip, spilled water from your kids. The chances increase at your house for workers comp. At work they have companies that clean that if you fall and they find it was their fault they can sue the cleaning company. At your house they can’t use anyone.
I would not give them a raise-they are already saving money on commuting costs.
Managers are just trying to prove they have a reason to exist
Return to work? Are you implying that people aren't working at home?
I switched career paths at 26. While in grad school, I had two internships. One was hybrid and the other was onsite. First one, the team was high in morale and the worm got done expeditiously because people were able to brace busy season in stride. The second one was lackluster at best. There was definitely favoritism geared towards those who work from home as opposed to the office. It put a sour taste in my mouth to say the least.
I won’t work for a company that doesn’t offer a hybrid model. When I signed with my current firm, I had them put 3 days home/2 days in office in writing. The older generation needs to get with the times.
At this point after 3 years of remote work, and high gas prices, going back to the office is a pay cut I personally wouldn’t accept.
What is the benefit to the employer? This is is not made clear by employers. How does coming into an over priced office space help the bottom line for an employer? Just saying this was how we did it before Covid is not enough. Why not dump the lease costs on real estate and apply that money to getting the best talent you can remotely?
They’ve mentioned on other videos, it’s creates a more connected experience and more productive communication with employees when they’re in person. It is so true!
@@jbar_85 Where's the data to support that?
@@jbar_85 This sounds wonderful, but wonderful feelings need to translate to improved business. Improved business is actually easy to prove. But in most cases they can't, so they use feelings vs fact. Keep in mind most companies these days have little emotional "connection" to employees. This is why even companies with deep rich pockets are fine letting tens of thousands employees go when they could easily keep them on board and make use of them. Another reality of modern work is that even if the employee is in their "cube", they spend most of their time in virtual meetings while sitting in their cube. So zero additional connective interaction is occurring. The employee has essentially taken up real estate that the company pays for doing Exactly what could have been performed remotely.
@@jbar_85 The best idea is to make the employee's that are not meeting expectations come back to the office, but if an employee is exceeding the employers expectations while working from home then what reason is there to make them come back to the office?
@@GroovyFeminist there is none. She's just parroting what middle management says to justify the continued existence of their career.
I'd love to see a documentary about the climate impact of return to office. All of that driving/public transport is not good for the planet, or at least our continued existence upon the planet.
Step up your game, managers and leaders, make remote and/or hybrid work…work. It takes more effort initially to make hybrid and/or remote work successful, and you have to be deliberate with how you engage employees in that environment, but it’s worth it in the end and gives employees more work-life balance. My team is amazing despite almost everyone having hybrid work arrangements. That’s not an accident.
Most of the shareholders of large corporations are also landowners/business owners. Who will lease their office/rental spaces and eat at their restaurants? They need people to come back to ensure their business rebounds.
It’s sad that companies are forcing employees back to the office even though productivity is better with employees working at home. The only reason they are forcing them back to the workplace is the million building that are sitting almost empty.
You, clearly, have never run your own business.
& productivity is not better, in the vast majority of cases. Nice try.
I'm curious about the extent to which employers' insistence on employees returning to the office is motivated by factors beyond just wanting them back in the physical workspace. One possible consideration could be the impact on the commercial real estate market, which heavily relies on revenue from organizations committing to multi-year leases. If these companies were to move towards remote work or significantly downsize their physical office space, it could substantially affect the market, particularly in cities like Washington, DC.
Good, let it rot and make more housing. This also saves resources and helps the environment. It should be that those liberal hypocrites would love this but instead now fight it cuz they are part of this scheme and have money tied into it. Again hypocrites. Republicans also as bad but they never force feed all this climate stuff thus the Democrats are much more the hypocrites now.
It is 100% motivated by commercial real estate interests. Its the only pro-RTO argument that exists thats actually backed by data.
What a great interview! I learn alot of new and relevant things. And yes WFH is here to stay! The managers just need to adapt to it.
Exactly!!!
if the employees are ready to quit over this, then the employers better think twice about what they are asking for. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP ALL THEY HAVE GAINED FROM SURVIVING THE PANDEMIC!!!!
The only people that are mad about wfh are those that don’t have the option. They think everyone should be just as miserable and unnecessarily inconvenienced as they are. My wfh space is optimized for me. I have the chair and standing desk i want. I don’t have to deal with the distraction of people running around, phones ringing, and multiple conversations happening around me. I don’t have to walk all the way to the other side of the building to access the bathroom and kitchen. I don’t have to queue up to use the coffee machine or the microwave during lunch. I get to prioritize tasks based on what’s actually important and time sensitive and not based on who runs up to my desk and pesters me the most. The list goes on and on.
Well technology is ever improving rapidly. Working from home actually is more productive and efficient. Commuting and sitting in an office 8 hours a day 5 days a week is increasing burn out and low productivity. Yes some jobs require in person attendance but that trend is shrinking also.
There is always a small number of people that ruins the fun for everyone.
Tha pandemic proved that shoving hundreds of people into an office building like sardines is not necessary. In fact, it is a waste of time, money, resources and mental health. I don't blame people for not wanting to put themselves in those harmful environments anymore.
What a world we live in. People bitching about working at an office setting. Here I am with a four year degree and not able to find employment, the irony of it all. 😅😅
This will smooth out in a few years as people job hop. I see most new positions being created requiring upfront that the employee agree to follow the company policy whether that is WFH or be required to go into the office. Those people who want to continue to work from home will eventually end up at the companies that allow it while those who prefer to go into the office will end up at the companies that require that. Going forward there will absolutely be more work from home job opportunities than there were in the past so those who want to work from home should still be able to do it, they might just have to find a new company or job. And keep in mind that this tight labor market with low unemployment will not last forever so my advice is, if you want to work from home and the company you are at is pushing you to come back to the office, quit now while the quitting is good and the other job offers are plentiful. Do not wait until there is a recession and people are layed off because then you will be stuck. Quit now and go to a WFH friendly company, before the economy collapses in a recession in a year or so.
I don`t think there is enough fully remote jobs for everyone who wants one though. Most of my friends are now hybrid and they work at huge corporations.
There will be slow adjustments on both sides.
No issue going into work before Covid. Go back or quit!!!
If a company is paying you then it’s their right to dictate what they want from the employees.
If it has worked fine for 3 years then it does not need to go back to office life.
I want to work from home forever!
As a manager , I prefer people to come to work few times a week. They are more engaged and we do alot of knowledge transfer for the guys to learn business process. This is hard to do with someone is always working from home. There is more mentorship that comes with face to face interactions which can lead to quicker learning and more growth..
Hard to put the genie back in the bottle. I've WFH for years, and I would have to be on the brink of ruin to go back to the office.
I took on a role in 2012 that was completely WFH, where all teams except senior management were remote nationwide. It enabled us to have total coverage for time zones which enabled us to have greater productivity because office hours were basically 14 hours a day spanning Eastern to Hawaii, so we’d be able to work projects, incidents or do research at a much faster pace than competitors who were limited to a single time zone and office.
So companies want to waste money on overhead cost just do the managers can get hard ons for seeing people .
Humanity as a whole really does need more flexibility. To me, the thought of going to a building for 5 days a week from 9am - 5pm and not really being able to leave just feels very confining now. Honestly, working from home has just made me feel more free & happy as a human being. And I still get all of my work done just like always. When I was in a building, I still had times during the day when I wasn't really doing anything. But when I was in a building, I would just sit at the computer and covertly browse social media during downtime. Now, I get up and go for a quick bike ride when I have a little downtime.
Really the ONE thing I do miss about in person work is seeing some of my coworkers (only the ones I liked) more regularly. We do still get drinks once in a while, but I did enjoy seeing some of them every day before.
Add in commuting and getting ready. You're living to work at that point.
We had 3 years that basically proved to the world that we do not need office or corporate buildings. Why insist?
Returning back to the office means people have to spend extra money on parking, tolls, public transportation, fight traffic, etc.
Sorry employers, but if your people are actually being more productive working from home, why this big push to get them back in the office full time? Some of these employers aren't even trying to work with their employees. What about hybrid office/work from home schedules like one week in, one week out?
Bringing large crowds back into office buildings means greater possibility of transmission of colds, more sick days being requested, etc. Which some employers were previously complaining about.
Companies better get used to the pushback because the pandemic changed the way people think about work, commuting to work everyday and working from home. Employees are not coming back to work without a fight after now experiencing all of the money they are saving by not commuting everyday.
I’m picturing Office Space d-bags dying for some employee who lets them be pushed around
Sitting on Zoom in the office is such a waste and a management load of nonsense. What water cooler talk? You mean gossip? Gossip is toxic.
Exactly….
It's about annoying employees, nothing else. It's like talking to a dog: stay (at home) - come here - stay - come - make noise!
Working for corporations is horrible in so many ways. A terrible way to live your life. Work for yourself.
Easier said than done and stay on topic.
Company's did fine when we all worked from home.
Here’s the math:
1 hour to get dressed
30 mins for breakfast
30 min to take kids to daycare
1 hour in rush hour traffic to work.
1 hour to leave work
30 mins from daycare to home
-OR-
~4+ hours for productivity working from home.
Let’s also factor Murphy’s law like useless workplace office chats, potential car accidents, etc.
Upper Management: This is a No Brainer.
One aspect no one seems to be mentioning is that working remotely mean employees are able live in smaller cities where the cost of living is cheaper and the quality of life is better and still earn a "big city" salary.
Save earth, drive less. Turn those emptied offices into affordable housing. Created job locally, eat and shop locally, no one should have to drive for more than 10, 15 minutes to run errands. Children shouldn’t have to take long bus ride just to get some basic education. Take care of our families first by going “backwards” is necessary for leaping forward.
Wrong
Get with the times Money Watch. The career advancement nowadays happens when you switch employers. Nothing good comes from working weekends for years to just 3% raises and the "potential" (carrot) of a promotion as long as the bosses' kids don't get there first.
I have a government job and the head of my department saw how happy and productive people were when they worked from home 2 to 3 days a week. Now its a permanent thing, i dont want to leave a job with so much autonomy 🎉
The train system broke down for months with slow zones - making it super painful and time consuming to commute to work.
Also, for white collar jobs, 99% of the communications happen on Zoom, message apps, screen share, and emails across coworkers and clients. No one sees the need to go back to the office. Many people even got sick after being forced back to the office.
Work should be evaluated based on results not physical appearance.
Having a remote job will the the ultimate flex. Companies that rely on their "prestige" will lose out.
Empty office buildings mean, less energy use, less gas for cars , less cars sold, less restaurants used, more energy use, etc etc etc. the oil companies run this country. Think about who is damanding this? Simple.
Also means less tax revenues, now you have to plug the gap. Simple
I physically cannot go to an office day to day. My company is UK based and I live in Boston. I make occasional visits. I’ve had partial WFH jobs for over 20 years. It’s common in my industry and something I’m not willing to give up.
I actually worked more while working from home, I have my working computer always on, working otherwise trapped on the traffic..
Exactly….!!!!
If employees want to quit because the employer wants them to return to the office, then let them quit. With the economy as it is right now, there are plenty of people lined up for jobs and cant afford to be picky.
I left a company where the group of 60 phone agents would have refused to return if asked. The company had their hands tied. Being one of only 3 who returned for a year after the covid peak was the reason I quit last year.
I’ve worked from home exclusively for 3 years now and my company now states we will be permanently at home. Even the office space we leased we are now saving money on for the company. I will say one con is that it can be very isolating and lonely, however the hours you save by getting doing something on lunch break that you need to get done, the money you save in gas is such a positive impact in life. No Commute, I didn’t realize before this because we just had to travel to work, is such a reason to pick a WFH job. My company did research and later found that my department was much more productive at home.
My husband started a job back in May 2019 was allowed to WFH for over 2 years and then was told everyone had to come into the office at least 2 days a week. He pushed back and upper management punished him for not coming into the office by taking his bonus payout. This was after he made the company meet their profit goals. Two weeks later he had a job offer and gave a 8 day notice. The come into the office was not his deal breaker, but the micromanagement was. He had 5 boss changes in 3 years because executives moved supervisors around constantly! If CEOs and supervisors don't keep their workers happy then the talented workers will go elsewhere and then their profits drop. It's been 2 months at his new job and no regrets! He now WFH as much or as little as he wants and it's like that for the whole team. His new supervisor doesn't micromanage him. His stress level is drastically lower, he actually sleeps through the night solid every night whereas before he woke up at least 3 times every night. No commute time, no time restraints, trusting your employees you will see them work harder.
WFH for about a year for a Tech Title company then got laid off. What I learned:
1. I loved the flexibility but resented the constant meetings that crept into my workday
2. I was chained to my desk for hours at a time, monitored, and felt I had less time to be outside. Also I was in workout clothes all day, and it hindered my style and motivation to look good and go to the next level professionally and socially.
3. I worked at cafes half the time because I craved real human interaction (if ur single and live alone, WFM can get quite lonely)
4. I was much less motivated for my future goals, I was making a lot of money more than I’ve ever made in my life, but I ended up spending it on vacations, because I was so exhausted, having to work weekends, nights etc
5. I realized I wasn’t cut out for remote work, it just doesn’t fit with my lifestyle, now I manage an office, and I feel so grateful to be around people that help motivate me on a daily basis, one thing I also did wasn’t sure that where I worked was blocks away from where I live. Another thing is my new position is so grateful that I’m even willing to come into the office, on days that I’m not able to come in like a sick day, it’s not a huge deal, and there’s more trust there because I’m showing my face every single day, I also have opportunities to work from home on the weekends. If I want to get more hours are in the evening, and I have a lot more job flexibility in general.
I live in Austin Texas and my job is quite literally a 10 to 15 minute drive, if I have car issues it’s a $15 Uber, and if I can’t afford that it’s about a 30 minute bike ride.
One thing I know for sure working from home is not for everybody, I think you just have to figure out what works for you and go from there, but I’m so glad I got the opportunity to realize that working from home just wasn’t for me, unless it’s a part time situation, it just didn’t fit with my lifestyle ♥️
Since when does the person paying have to debate with the payee?
The reason people are not going back into the office because they do not be subjected to harassment in the office. I was harassed by my bosses at HGA Architects and Engineers. I was placed on an unjustified PIP and constantly bullied by Brent Forslin and Angela Mead. I was glad to be working from home because I was having panic attacks from these people. I was told by Brent Forslin and Angela MEad not to discuss the PIP in front of anyone, including members of my own family. I was laid off from HGA, but not before I recorded all my meetings and posted them to TH-cam for all to see. These videos show my boss Brent Forslin caring more about profits than my professional engineering license. Also, CBS owned stations KOVR-TV and WCCO TV give air time to their employees. Before they give HGA anymore airtime, they need to see the videos of Brent Forslin and Angela Mead treating their employees like crap. th-cam.com/play/PLZf9uyhYCn4Oo_K5e6RF36IJDyiIwk7Uh.html
2 to 3 hours wasted getting ready and driving to office job that can be done at home
haha when she's like "I mean doesn't matter if you GO to the office, you'll still end up on ZOOM anyway". Pretty much sums it up.
I managed a Telecommute team for 6 years (2011-2017) and half of them weren’t cut out for it. They’re attention span, reading comprehension, ability to use a computer/word document and even the ability to mute a phone line was NIL. And this was a group of people with minimum of a Bachelors degree!
I’ve been going in twice a week since September 2020. I want to add at least one more day, but I take the bus and because of the pandemic I have to bring a laptop now. My back is hurting from having to lug around a laptop and from the seats on the bus. I spend my days at home recovering from the pain.
I think one assumption you need to reflect upon is this...the managers have remained in the office while staff who report to them are working at home. I returned to the office (to be around other workers) in January. Often managers are working from home perhaps one to three days per week. I am an older worker, so my base work experience was gained through in person experience. It has many advantages as there is much information transferred through person to person connection and the multilayered nuance of live communication. On the either hand, many people I work with seem to prefer working offsite. It is just not for me, except maybe on an exception basis. I think the multiple preference office is here to stay.
That would depend on the company. The managers at my company are working from home as well. And it's definitely a generational divide now. I graduated college in 2019 never expecting to 'WFH', but that's pretty much all I know 😅
Im not against certain WFH but presentation bias? Come on. If someone goes in to hit the grind 4 days a week to collaborate with senior colleagues then that’s just more exposure and effort. Plus it’s done by choice. I’d rather promote that guy then the one rarely comes in and is negative about it too.
While others have no offices or jobs to return to….
Dear companies go with your data, you have how the employee worked before and has worked after if the productivity numbers went up... you need to adapt your workflow. If you need less office space there is the savings your looking for. Leadership is important, but you "should" be able to lead or meet anywhere or you are not doing well. Know your product, know your business and know your workforce those are the pillars.
The power is with the people more and more are waking up
My question is how many companies are stuck with large office buildings and are trying to justify keeping them. At the end of the day downsizing office locations to meet logistic needs might be more cost effective to corporate America.
I’ve got a theory that it’s just hard to get employees to do the management and training duties they weren’t really getting paid for when they work remotely. It’s making more work for managers and there aren’t enough managers and the ones there are haven’t got the best leadership skills.
How are workers going to know they are less important than their manager if they're not all toiling out of little cubicles while the manager oversees them from his private office? How are other people at the company going to know how important an executive is if they can't see all his underlings on display as they walk by? What's the point of a big shot having a corner office if there isn't anyone there to be impressed or intimidated by it?
The Govt is putting huge pressure on Companies to return employees to the Office.. and I believe there will be strict financial penalties for those that do not.. it's about the money.. commercial real estate space is clearing out.. the value of what remains is declining .. people are moving out of the Cities ...eroding the local tax base that Cities rely upon to provide services .. the local businesses that historically were supported by local offices in the cities are failing .. fewer people are driving fewer miles and are passing fewer tolls .. reducing the taxes and fees ending up in Govt pockets..
The company I work for looks down on people wanting to WFH. It’s a shame. It’s a thought of ‘well I had to so you have to’
And what’s worse is I’ll go in and all the meetings are still in zoom and remote. There is no point but to make some oldschool higher-up’s feel good we’re doing antiquated practices
Man, most of us never left "the office" -- even in the height of the pandemic
Yup. My partner works on planes handling bags. It definitely depends on the job.
I admire my local mail carrier too, seems like that person rarely has time off.
Same here. I have to be onsite to do my job. I consider myself to be a lot more important than say our IT staff who you can never reach, or the "Chief People Manager" aka Human Resources. They always seem to be "away from their desk" or "in a meeting".