Hi! Thanks for the infos, very good! As I see it is a Zero S and not the bigger SR, maybe the older model of SR looked like the new S version?. I already ordered a Zero S 2021 14.4 now here in Europe. I have to make at summer some trip to 180miles, I hope with low speed and easy on throttle, low torque setting I can make it without Charge tank option. Other option would be a Harley Davidson LiveWire used, for same price and it has CCS 1 hour fast charge, but to heavy for me.
@@usmcsaxoki I have the Model 3 AWD and a 2002 Softail Deuce which is old but still in primo condition :). I still love riding the Harley and love the sound of my custom pipes but don't road trip much anymore, I'd love to never have to get gas again!
Thanks for bringing up the quietness aspect letting one be closer to one’s surroundings. Having not ridden an BEV bike, I had not thought of that aspect, and to me that is one of the major reasons to ride a motorcycle; is to experience the world more than in a car, and it seems like this would make it even more so.
I own a 2014 zero sr for several years now and my gas bikes collecting dusts. I tidy up the tail, switch to a pair of bar end mirrors, and changed both front bulbs to LED.
THANKS BRO. LOVE THE BIKE AND LOVED THE WAY YOU TOLD EVERY THING ABOUT IT, IT WAS SO INFORMATIVE. BY LISTENING TO YOUR REVIEW I WISH TO BUY IT ONE DAY.
Going to try a DSR out soon as I need the higher seat height. My daily commute is 140 miles total, but we do have some quick charge facilities at work. I just need to check whether they are compatriot with the fast charger, or whether work will let my run the standard charge lead in through a window!
If they're Level II, they should be the standard J1772 charge port. You'll need the Charge Tank option installed on your DSR though to take advantage of that.
I've been really thinking about getting one. I have a 00' RC51 that.... Well, I use her daily for commuting and she really should just be restored and used for weekend fun. This is good information. Thanks, bro.
I got a used 2017 SR in July with 3,000 miles on it, rode it for 1,000 miles got the battery replaced under warranty finally got it back a little over a month ago and have put 3,000 more miles on it. So 4,000 miles in two months of riding for $9k and maybe $20 of electricity at my home (the rest for free everywhere else). They're not for everyone and I'm still looking to replace my GSX-R with an Aprilia RSV4 for the longer trips and track days but the Zero is my daily commuter at 60 miles minimum per a day. I haven't decided with the kid now if we're going to sell the Harley that my wife and I ride together.
I live in Durham and just visited TPS in Raleigh. Went in looking at their Z650s/SV650s, had never even heard of Zero before .... About 50 TH-cam videos later- I HAVE to have one now. So would TPS be where you get this serviced? Also, is your garage heated and do you do anything special for the battery during winter months? Thank you very much for the video! You did a great job 🙏
I actually live in Indiana now and no, I lived in Jacksonville, NC which was too far to get it to Raleigh. Thankfully, the bike never needed specialized Zero service in two years time. I had a local bike shop replace both the rear and front tire, one due to a puncture and another due to wear. Only thing needed for winter month storage is to keep the battery SOC between 30 and 60% and obviously the tires properly inflated. My garage is not heated and this is not necessary to store the bike. Yeah, test ride one if you haven't. Will change your view of the world. Funny because I'm actually about to do a video about winter storage for the SR.
@@usmcsaxokiThat's awesome, I'll be watching for that 👌 ☃️❄️ Yeah I've read the official Zero explanation of cold weather care, I was just worried about when it got below freezing. Glad it's been trouble free riding for you brother. Thank you for serving our country 🎖️
Nice ownership review. Has everything to be noted, positives and negatives. Do you think bigger wind screen would be good? Can you make a video about 6kWh rapid charger for Zero SR? (connecting 4 of them to charge upto 95% under 3 hours in home plug)
I think any windscreen would be good depending on what you want as a rider. A wind screen would help with aerodynamics and therefore, efficiency. Also would obviously help with a lot of highway riding. But, if you enjoy the free flow of air in your face, I wouldn't bother. Can't really comment on the accessory chargers. I know you're supposed to use a separate outlet for each one so that would be five outlets total. I could definitely see the benefit of having one accessory charger to bring down the charge time, but that's it. Otherwise, you should get the Charge Tank and a Level II installed in your garage.
Old question i know but... I was at our local dealer yesterday looking at these. He thinks the screen is good for nearly 10 miles added range if you use it right.
It’s exactly 180 miles to the beach from my house in South Carolina. Once these things get up to a range of about 200 miles and a full charge time under an hour plus keeping price under $10,000 I think gas powered bikes will start becoming a thing of the past really fast
Definitely agree with that statement. Today, electric motorcycles only make sense on a case by case basis as far as where you live, what type of ridding you want to do and the availability of charging infrastructure.
Great bike. Thanks for the balanced and detailed review. I have 2 EVs and am now looking for an electric replacement for my motorcycle. I just love having no maintenance. Just wondering what zero says about seasonal storage of the bike? My EVs are constantly in use so this has never been a consideration of mine. Here in Canada we have about 4 months of winter where you can't ride a bike because there's snow. Do you know anything about what Zero recommends for storage for winter or say if you go on a long holiday? Charge to 50% and unplug? Also, is the battery just air cooled? Thanks!
Thanks for the comment! Zero recommends leaving the bike between 30 and 60% SOC (state of charge) and unplugged if not riding for a month or longer. Yes, the battery is air cooled. It's very warm during the summer time in North Carolina (100+ F) and have never had an issue with overheating.
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I’m thinking hard about Zero as I have a 25 mile round trip commute so range isn’t the problem. I’m waiting for a scooter format (with rapid acceleration etc.) as the only thing putting me off is the lack of weather protection.
@@usmcsaxoki No, don’t get me wrong, and thanks for replying! Zero bikes are incredibly impressive. I’m not criticising any naked bike for being just that and am seriously considering a Zero, probably the DS, as my next purchase. For my specific requirements- short range (25mile round trip) commute, often in rain - a rapid scooter would be fun and practical. If there is no Zero Scooter it’s not a dealbreaker nor is it a criticism of the Zero bikes already available.
@@Rick-ve5lx No, they do not have a scooter. I would go with the S for your specific purpose. Very lightweight, lots of storage and almost as inexpensive as Zeros get.
Thanks for the review. Like hearing from someone who owns instead of just riding one once. I’m the same with you. Once you get into electric propulsion. It’s game over for gas engines. Got my TESLA and will never buy a gas car again. So it’s leaking Into my motorcycles and know this is the next step like you. Thanks
About time someone came out and said it plainly; if you like riding 50-100 miles ... My feeling is e-bikes will continue to be impractical until 3 criteria is met: 1. increased range 2. decreased charging times 3. increased number of nationwide ECS
Not for everyone. I have a ‘16 SR and it has a slightly smaller battery than this one. I use it to commute (90 mile round trip) and for quick weekend rides. If I know I’m going to be somewhere for a while, I’ll just carry an extra charge cable in the storage area, and plug in for some extra range. If I were into long touring rides, then I wouldn’t have considered this bike. As it is, I ride to work and back, and plug in while I’m asleep and it is ready to go again the next day. There’s no maintenance, outside of mostly just wheels and brakes (brakes wear out much less often, due to regenerative braking). They are less annoying in traffic situations and starting and stopping on steep hills..no clutch, just throttle and brake.
Love Zero’s bike line up but until Tesla makes e motos, my money’s on Energica. More range, faster charging, and can use L1, 2, & 3. They’ve incorporated the knowledge gained from being the official supplier of electric moto GP and include much of that tech into their street bikes. Insane torque at the twist of the wrist 💨 www.energicamotorusa.com
@@usmcsaxoki I have a question, I bought mine used 2021 Zero S with 2500 miles in the clock and I can hear the friction of the front brake pad with the disk, this is normal? two different persons told me is normal, what is your experience?
I actually would love to have an FXS as well. It depends on what you want the motorcycle for. If you will be doing purely urban/commuting type riding of 50 miles a day or less, I'd go with the FXS. Save you some money and probably a little bit more fun than the SR. If you want max range (about 120 miles has been my experience based on how I ride) and max performance, go with the SR. The SR is a bargain when compared to the SR/S and SR/F.
@@usmcsaxoki thanks for replying! I test drove the FSX a while ago, didn't like it bc the seats too skinny. 2 days ago I test drove the S and I love it! Would you get the S if you had a charge tank?
I was so gonna ask where u live and you stated NC....and theres a store that carries them HERE...Im so gonna go check that out soon...Im in Greensboro so thats a very short drive for that kinda experience. thanks. can't w8!
I have a 2017....very nice bike...snapped a belt in the first 6 months ..warranty covered...good since then..3years., ive had my livewire for 6 months...great bike!!! I'm biased, 16 bikes, mostly Harley's and buells....but the zero and livewire are definitely fun and different...ride.
That's great, sir. I've rode the Livewire and it's pretty sweet. Love to have one if I could. I did buy an extra belt because I've heard of that happening on Zeros but it hasn't happened to me yet. Only thing I've had to do is replace both tires after almost 10k miles now. Still love it!
@@usmcsaxoki I'm just North of Indy in the 'burbs. I've been eyeballing the DSR- looks like a great machine! Stay safe down there- I have family in Apex- and Happy Holidays.
So how long will it take me to get to Florida from Arizona? A week? What am I supposed to do while I wait for this thing to charge up? Geez, I like naps but three hours to get going again sucks. At this rate a guy on a mountain bike will get to Florida first
No doubt. I say in the review it is NOT a road trip bike. You can spend half the money and find literally thousands of better options new and used if you want to travel cross country on a motorcycle. Thanks.
It does. Either underneath or in the storage compartment. It's not a "charger", it's just the chord that you plug into the bike and an outlet. The charger is integrated into the bike.
👍🏼 Nice! Haven’t done a thing to my electric motorcycle since 2016. No warming up before riding.. no oil/filter changes. No stopping at gas stations. Just unplug and ride! 😎
Great, in-depth review. I love my 2016 Zero SR, and while I do still have an ICE bike I only ride that when I need long distance capability. Although that's about to change with the installation of an aftermarket 10 kW Type 2 charger kit that is nearly twice as fast as the Zero Charge Tank but only replaces the belly pan and OEM charger and will leave my storage compartment free. It will also keep the center of gravity nice and low so it doesn't hurt the awesome handling of the bike. I'll also have a lot more flexibility for different types of charge points and it will charge 50% faster even from a regular wall outlet. Can't wait!!!
Damn. You should make a video about that. Not sure how you charge 50% faster from a regular wall outlet since the outlet only outputs a certain amount of energy no matter how much charge capacity you have.
@@usmcsaxoki You're aware there's a charger involved, right? Because the OEM charger only does 1.5 kW, whereas an Australian wall outlet can supply 2.4 kW, and a Diginow charger can do 3.3 kW. So yeah, a DigiNow charger can charge your bike twice as fast from the same wall outlet as the factory charger can, and has to be *turned down* to do it.
@@googlebox1655 Hmm. Interesting. I will have to research that. The only thing I was thinking of doing is buying a quick charger to double the charge time but honestly, I've never needed quicker charging.
@@usmcsaxoki There's really not much difference between overnight and a few hours. Anything over an hour is useless for road tripping, so there's not any useful difference between 2 hours and 9 hours except in very rare circumstances. But that's why it's critical that all the bike manufacturers put quick charging - 1 hour or less - on their bikes. Once there's no difference in capability between electric and ICE, there's no reason to go ICE.
I'm looking into electric bikes as a more efficient way for me to get to work. My route is a decent amount of ups and downs and straights. Total to and from is about 66miles or 55 minutes of normal driving. Would the bike handle that well or would I risk running out of battery. Thanks for any comment!
66 miles round trip would be no problem for a Zero SR or SR/F or SR/S. Depending on how fast and how much stop and go traffic is, you could almost do that twice before charging. I recommend looking at the range specs on Zero's website for deferent types of driving. I've found these to be accurate based on my own experience.
Every Zero except the SR/F will go all the way to 100% if left plugged in. Like a Tesla, the SR/F charging limit can be set. So, if you only need 80% charge, you set it to that and the bike will stop charging at 80%. For all Zero's bikes, they recommend that if you do charge it to 100%, do not leave it plugged in. This is to help longevity of the battery. If you know anything about Li-Ion batteries, they do not like to be charged all the way and then discharged to near nothing. Unless I'm going for a long ride, I usually keep my bike charged around 80 to 90%. The lowest I've ran the battery was down into the teens. The only way to limit the charge level is to simply go out and unplug it when it's charged to the level I want. Like most things in life, if you don't push them to their limit constantly, they will last you a long time.
usmcsaxoki Loved your video! My two favorite e motos are the Zero SR (the SR/F is also nice) and Energica’s Ribelle. Once I felt my first rush of torque from electric propulsion, I’ve never looked back. My family & I are electric for life! ⚡️ my wife has 95,600+ mikes on her 2014 Model S and the only maintenance she’s had to do is replace the rear tires and change the cabin air filter. She rarely charges past 65% due to the 85kW battery and only charges to 80-90% if she’s taking a multi-state road trip. This last summer, she drove from LA to Vancouver Canada & back. As simple as typing in the destination and letting the nav calculate where to stop and for how long. Naturally, the other 99% of the time, she just wakes up to a sufficiently charged car every morning. Takes just 10 seconds to plug in and another 10 seconds to unplug the next day- the vehicle is smart enough to charge when it needs to the state of charge it needs.
keep in mind though all zeros have the greenwatt "calex 1200" on board charger that is prone for failure after 20k miles. I just replaced one and some guys with higher miles is on their second. If you use your zero for longer distances and often enough, than you are lucky enough for that to fail during periods that is covered under warranty. I wasn't one of those. I hit 20k miles after 5 years of owning my 2014 s, so i paid that out of pocket. It costed 800$ for the part with 400$ for labor, i did that labor myself. So just be ready to spend 1200$ every 20k miles for a new on board charger if you don't plan on changing those out yourselves.
Thanks for the info. Hopefully, the on board charger is better on the 2018s than the 2014s but I have heard bad things about them in the past. Would you recommend buying a $600 quick charger and just using that to charge at home to increase the longevity of the on board charger?
@@usmcsaxoki I dont own quick charger, but I suppose it would help. When I go to work, I now charge it for 3 hours before lunch, then unplug it. After lunch I plug it back for 3 more hours. That way the on board charger gets an hour to cooldown. Hopefully that helps with the longevity
Great questions. Answer: I don't know. The battery has a 5 year warranty and I haven't had to do anything with it yet. No degradation I've noticed either.
Sorry if you told that in video but what is your average KWH consumption per 60 miles (miles per 1 KWH?)? does bike show that? Interested in real person experience.
I average about 10 to 12 miles per KWh. I explain how this is in my other Zero SR videos. The bike shows displays instant watt hours (Whs) per mile, trip average Whs per mile and lifetime average Whs per mile. My average Wh per mile is 83.9. My range varies from around 100 to 120 to 140 based on a number of conditions like how hard I ride, how fast I ride and ambient air temperature.
Thank you for your reply. This is a smaller consumption than I thought; however, I still think that I need at least a 23 kWh battery for my riding preferences. Love everything else about th bike though.
walter kersting The battery is designed to last 2,000 charge cycles before it drops in efficiency. If you average around 100 miles per charge, you get the 200k he listed. The battery and motor are supposed to last well past that, too.
Eric Benson mmmkay. I am at once amazed by electric vehicles of all kinds( every time I drive an electric vehicle I am impressed; I drove a leaf, an electric bicycle, a scooter and of course who hasn’t thrashed the hell out of a melex golf cart) and skeptical of their performance claims.
I don't like how far the bike leans on its stand so I put a little book about one inch thick and an old work glove to keep the kickstand from sliding off the book. Plus, it takes up less room in the garage when it is not leaned over as far.
Yes. The charger is integrated into the bike. You can't even see it but it sits below the battery. The charging chord comes with the bike. I bought a spare to keep one in my garage and one in the bike at all times.
@@misterjay4347 Depends on where the battery is at. I think Zero says 9.8 hrs from 0 to 100%. I've never been down into the single digits. Usually where I'm at, it takes around 2 to 3 hours.
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Nice gen1 Volt! I have one in my EV family fleet as well. That Prius could be replaced with a Model 3 ;). I am a motorcyclist but still waiting for a bike that is as compelling and capable as my Model 3. For me, price, range, and charging infrastructure for bikes still has to get a bit better. The Lightning Strike could be close but ergonomics may be too sporty.
I would love a Model 3. Only problem is the 40k+ for the standard range plus all said and done. Can't except a car payment right now. My 2013 Prius is a great car and a true work horse. Best road trip car if you don't own a Tesla with the 48+ MPGs.
Nice video. I have one ICE vehicle left (k1300s BMW) and it's getting replaced by an Energica Ego+ in a couple weeks. Totally agree electric is the future.
You are comparing this with a street glide??? They are NOT even in the same category. Completely different kinds of bike even with electric aside. I was expecting a comparison to the HD Wire. I'd suggest riding that and then coming back for an update comparison review.
@@infini1970 That comparison was to just put some torque figures in perspective. Obviously comparing these two would be like comparing a Tesla Model S to a RAM 2500.
@@usmcsaxoki Right. Sorry if I was being hard on you a bit. Internet. Watching your comparison video though I can see the value in the Zero. Like Toyota over a BMW in a way. I did test ride the Wire and was really really impressed with it. I don't think it's a viable purchase over yours if you have long trips like 100 miles a day honestly. For me if I had the $$ either of these bikes would be great for the city though. Really good for that.
i see it has passenger foot rests but no passenger strap. Can you ride with a passenger or need to add additional accessory to make it street legal for passenger rules?
@@usmcsaxoki Every EV needs it, because 100% torque available from zero revs is an accident (in the wet, particularly) waiting to happen - just search "Zero motorcycle crash" on TH-cam to see the examples why. It's why I prefer the SR/F personally.
@@RichDunn Well, yes if the bike allowed for 100% of the torque at 0 MPH, you'd immediately crash on dry pavement. You don't need it unless you ride extremely hard and extremely dangerously. "This is my traction control." (Picture a hand and wrist twisting a throttle.)
I had the same thought. Some friendly advice: slow down. It’s apparent that you’re reading from a script, but we want to hear every word. Great review!
Ok, difficult question. From what I've heard from a source in the electrical motorcycle industry that I trust is that Harley-Davidson had a company they acquired make 200 or so of them, the batteries used in them are already years old and that once those 200 or so produced are sold, that's it. Harley will not make any more because they can't. It's essentially a publicity stunt to show people that Harley is "innovating" and "looking to the future". It's also a way for Harley to say that they "tried" but that it failed and people only want their other bikes. That sounds like it's a conspiracy but that's what I've heard. And for 30k, it's really going to just be a collectors bike for people with lots of extra money that love motorcycles. The bike itself looks really cool and I'm sure it's fun to ride. Needs to be under 20k though. And, why the hell can't it charge at Level II? It will only charge on Level I and Level III according to the website. Weird. And seriously, electric motorcycles are such a niche product anyway that anybody who wants one will research them and go to Zero, Energica or another small company that specializes in them.
@@usmcsaxoki A couple of reasons. I have had nonstop problems with my road glide, mostly little recall things, and also a couple electrical problems. I ended up not using it for going on many road trips, ended up just being my around town bike and occasional road trip. I used to have a Victory Empulse (until my brother totaled it) and have been wanting to get back into the EV world. Zero motorcycles were always tempting, but I never really liked the style. Even with the SR/F, I was torn between it, Energica, and Lightning...Zero dealer is 10 minutes away from me, so they won in the end.
@@Amnpaterson Well, Energica and Lightning are much more expensive. I didn't like the Energicas because they are so heavy. My Dad's kind of in the same situation. He has a Road King and only uses it for short trips. I think he'd love a Zero FX because he has some woods and you can take that bike on the road as well.
Andrew P Honestly I don’t know why brothers have a tendency to total vehicles that aren’t theirs,I let my brother use my car for the week and he brought it back totaled.. I ended up giving it to him and he sold it for scraps,I felt like a piece of shit for even letting him sit in it..
usmcsaxoki I’m talking from brother to brother,is it worth it to get one of these? I don’t mind the price,I care about how much smiles I get per mile. People complain about how expensive these babies get but they are the same people spending 50k dollars on a new Toyota Avalon. Keep it good man and hope you squeeze every ounce of fun out of it 👍
If you have an EV, and trully want to protect the envvironment, either install Solar/wind power OR contact your power company. WHere I live I can pay a bit extra a month,b ut it guarantees most of my power comes from so called "green" energy sources, versus coal powerplants (which are very common in my state) or or gas powerplants. I do love EVs as a means of lower commuting prices. And you can have fun with them (Even a Smart EV!)
Yep. My local provider is a Coop and they unfortunately don't have a "green" power option. Buying a house right now and plan to install solar PV. Video's to come...
The number of distracted drivers on the road continues to increase with every new app on their phone. I used to ride road bicycle everywhere, even in Wisconsin’s cold winters. I stopped riding on roads about 10 years ago due to all the distracted drivers, only a matter of time before I would get hit. (Family friend was fiend for riding and got hit by a young lady, with a nice new car and no insurance. Messed him up really bad, he’s cognitively slow now.) That brings me to motorcycles. I used to be a “quiet pipe” advocate, but not anymore. I want them to know I am near. I have a quiet motorcycle and it’s night and day how many cars/trucks try to change lanes into me, drift into me, etc. When I’m on my loudest bike, NEVER an issue. I would go so far as to say I can see the moment they hear me because the swaying stops, they center up in their lane, and stay that way. Like the clickety clack of my T.I.’s boots I think. It makes me grin every time. On my quiet bike I can almost sneak up on them, get alongside and see them looking down at their cell phone. Anyhow, I like the idea of electric bikes, I would love to own one, but I’m skeptical about not being heard. We need every advantage to be seen and heard now that 90% (yes 90%) are distracted. Plus I like the rumble of my Harley :)
Understand completely. Bottom line, we must always ride like we are invisible and all other drivers have no idea we are near. (I miss the rumble too sometimes. Don't tell anybody.)
Thanks for posting this video. Me and a co-worker had a conversation about Harley's electric bike. I think if they were actually serious about selling this bike, then they screwed up. I also think that at this point electric bikes in general are still at the novelty stage. I think that electric bikes have an enormous potential..... as soon as they can get their miles per charge up and more charging stations are available. But only able to go off the harley, 8 hour charge times and a 130-200 mile limit just isn't good enough. Not to mention not all that many charging places. Also, the price. The live-wire goes for 30K US. A sportster with a peanut tank has about the same range on a tank.and only a 8k price tag brand new. Me? I'm oldschool hardcore (?) Anyways, it's not uncommon for me to go 400-600 miles at a time. My normal work commute is 60 miles (30-eachway in rush hour traffic) An electric bike at this time just won't do that. I think that's what electric bike makers need to shoot for. Anyways, glad you like your bike. LOL when are we gonna see an electric bagger?
To be honest, most Zero motorcycles can handle 60 miles. You just charge every time you park and you’re usually good to go. I have electric dirt bikes I commute on and I’ve been good. Just can’t go as fast for as long. Only downside.
I'd get the L2 charger option so i could take short trips. Lots of places to ride here in Florida, so it would be nice to juice it up quick to ride back home without having to wait for an overnight charge.
To be fair, it doesn’t take much to too a Harley. Literally any similar engine produced from 1980+ will be a upgrade from most Harleys. No hate on Harley. They have a purpose. But these Zeros are changing the game. Once batteries are standardized and stations have battery swaps, these things will be everywhere. But only if they upgrade the battery swap market for them. Without that, charging kinda sucks.
"Ride like you're invisible." Harley: Needy and attention-seeking, dressing up and being as loud as possible, like a 16-year-old girl. Vrrrreeeemmmm-blap-bre-bre-bre-bre-bre!
You lost me at the price lol. Sorry, but I remember when 1080p plasma flat screen tv's were $6000 and needed recharged. Today that same size tv at 4k is $300. I know because I just bought one. It's amazing. I'm astonished at what people pay to have the latest and greatest to impress their family and friends. This same bike will cost $500 or less in 5 years. After politicians find a way to hijack $$ off of them of course. I want one, and will get one, just not NOW.
I don't know about $500 or less in five years but hopefully the price continues to drop. The Zero SR is already a grand less today than when I bought it.
Gas motorcycles are around the same price and have so much more hidden problems. Harley has e bikes and cost 20000 just for the name. Lol They might not let them get that cheap.
@@formeitwastuesday.1515 I want on one badly but you also have to remember what happens when they release the latest and greatest smart phones. They cost the most and haven't worked out the glitches. My ex dropped $800 on my son's Iphone 10 when it came out. Sure it was the baddest dog on the block and came with bragging rights but my first smart phone was an LG Rebel 4. It has a 16 mp camera, bluetooth, 32gb memory, ect. All the features and only cost me $50 with no contract. Is it an Apple product? No, but works just fine for me. I'm willing to wait for the technology to become affordable before I pull the trigger. Of course I was exaggerating when I said $500 for an electric motorcycle but when they get down to the $2500-$3500 range with better range and charging times I'll be there. Checkbook in hand.
The thing is, its not all about impressing other people. If there are no early adopters, they will not get cheaper. If you think electric bikes are a good idea, and you want to see them everywhere, you can support the market by getting one when you can afford it. Also, the price drop will not be as radical as you're saying. Even as batteries get cheaper, you still have to build a motorbike and turn a profit. Never going to be $500.
Never owned a Harley and until the Zero can do 250 miles highway and charge in 20 minutes Full won’t get one of those either, would however love to see the Harley Bronx. However I do have a reservation for the controversial CyberTruck. So not against electrics.
You love speed, yet it tops out at just over 100 mph HAHA! That's barely touching second gear for me. This thing could never replace my superbike or supersport on the track or the road. How many laps can this thing even do before the battery dies? It seems like a bike more suited towards people who prefer cruisers or hyper naked bikes., or the sportbike rider that buys one for the "cool" factor and the thought of going fast but never does. I personally love up and downshifting through the gears, the sound of the engine without any restrictions like cats, and the challenge of trying to tame 200+hp.
You do you, brother (or sister, don't know for sure). This is definitely not a replacement for a proper liter bike. I think by speed, I meant quickness and yes, I realize there's a big difference. I'm not a track guy and the fastest I ever want to go on or in anything is about 90 (on the ground. I've flown two seat aircraft cruising at 320 mph). 90 is fast enough for me. Be safe out there.
The ONLY thing that turns me off from a Zero is the cheap looking LCD screen. I have seen an electric Honda scooter and it had a very nice LED screen. SO MUCH easier to read. I wish Zero wouldn’t cheap out with these ugly LCD screens.
Over 12,000 miles now. Still no issues and still awesome.
Amazing! I'm looking to get the FX this year! 😁
@@EssiCrana Nice.
Hello there, how is the battery range now after a fair few miles? Thanks!
@@nathanshipp9198 Same as brand new as far as I can tell. No issues.
awesome man. I appreciate the updates here in the comments. I'm thinking about getting one of these someday for some recreational riding
Just passed 8,000 miles on the 'ol Zero. Still no issues.
Lol keep up dated, is this the close for a "tesla bike" I know they make one but how do you feel about that topic
@@sammyg.4255 Tesla does not make a bike. Wish they did. I think they have their hands full making excellent cars right now.
Keep us updated. My only concern is reliability.
@@shahaan400 Still works great!
like that chevy volt also!
That's awesome. No gas, economical, quiet, direct power and torque...wow.
Right the battery magically recharges it self. Do people still not understand where there electricity comes from.
Just clocked over 5,100 miles! Love it.
Hi! Thanks for the infos, very good! As I see it is a Zero S and not the bigger SR, maybe the older model of SR looked like the new S version?. I already ordered a Zero S 2021 14.4 now here in Europe. I have to make at summer some trip to 180miles, I hope with low speed and easy on throttle, low torque setting I can make it without Charge tank option. Other option would be a Harley Davidson LiveWire used, for same price and it has CCS 1 hour fast charge, but to heavy for me.
Yes, it is the old version of the SR. S and the SR used to look almost identical but had different batteries and motors.
Before the SR/F that came out in 2019, my 2018 SR was Zero's top of the line bike.
Took me 4 hours of research to find this. Exactly what i needed
Thanks. I hope you got a lot of good information!
I have a Tesla and want to go all-electric but i'm having a really, really tough time letting go of my Harley. I'll have to go test drive a Zero.
Which Tesla and which Harley do you own?
@@usmcsaxoki I have the Model 3 AWD and a 2002 Softail Deuce which is old but still in primo condition :). I still love riding the Harley and love the sound of my custom pipes but don't road trip much anymore, I'd love to never have to get gas again!
@@kcopen That's the dream. I'm waiting for a Model X I can afford.
Thanks for bringing up the quietness aspect letting one be closer to one’s surroundings. Having not ridden an BEV bike, I had not thought of that aspect, and to me that is one of the major reasons to ride a motorcycle; is to experience the world more than in a car, and it seems like this would make it even more so.
It is very enjoyable.
I own a 2014 zero sr for several years now and my gas bikes collecting dusts. I tidy up the tail, switch to a pair of bar end mirrors, and changed both front bulbs to LED.
Nice.
How does it fare after 6 years? Baterry life? Belt? Brakes? Tires? Can you give us some more details of your experience with the bike?
Excellent review and very insightful! Doing research for a friend (I have a LiveWire but have always loved Zeroes). Thanks!!
THANKS BRO. LOVE THE BIKE AND LOVED THE WAY YOU TOLD EVERY THING ABOUT IT, IT WAS SO INFORMATIVE. BY LISTENING TO YOUR REVIEW I WISH TO BUY IT ONE DAY.
Do it. Zeros are awesome!
Great video. Every year I wait to buy my next bike, it gets closer and closer to being a DSR.
Cool. Still love mine.
Going to try a DSR out soon as I need the higher seat height. My daily commute is 140 miles total, but we do have some quick charge facilities at work. I just need to check whether they are compatriot with the fast charger, or whether work will let my run the standard charge lead in through a window!
If they're Level II, they should be the standard J1772 charge port. You'll need the Charge Tank option installed on your DSR though to take advantage of that.
Interesting video, This is (probably) the future, Looking forward to E-bikes, after 3 decades on gas bikes! Thanks for uploading.
Thanks. I do a lot of videos about my Zero.
Great video. Love to own a Zero one day.
I wonder: do you use Apple airpods for the mics? They are always sounding as if you're underwater.
Thanks!
Ha. No I do not. I used my computer's built in microphone for the voiceover.
Wait till solid cell batteries hit the market, you'll get more travel time, less charge time.
Looking forward to it!
I've been really thinking about getting one. I have a 00' RC51 that.... Well, I use her daily for commuting and she really should just be restored and used for weekend fun. This is good information. Thanks, bro.
No problem. Damn, that's a powerful bike. You'd enjoy the Zero's torque. Recommend go test ride one.
I got a used 2017 SR in July with 3,000 miles on it, rode it for 1,000 miles got the battery replaced under warranty finally got it back a little over a month ago and have put 3,000 more miles on it. So 4,000 miles in two months of riding for $9k and maybe $20 of electricity at my home (the rest for free everywhere else). They're not for everyone and I'm still looking to replace my GSX-R with an Aprilia RSV4 for the longer trips and track days but the Zero is my daily commuter at 60 miles minimum per a day. I haven't decided with the kid now if we're going to sell the Harley that my wife and I ride together.
Cool. Why did the battery need replaced with that few miles? It is definitely an awesome commuter.
I live in Durham and just visited TPS in Raleigh. Went in looking at their Z650s/SV650s, had never even heard of Zero before .... About 50 TH-cam videos later- I HAVE to have one now.
So would TPS be where you get this serviced? Also, is your garage heated and do you do anything special for the battery during winter months? Thank you very much for the video! You did a great job 🙏
I actually live in Indiana now and no, I lived in Jacksonville, NC which was too far to get it to Raleigh. Thankfully, the bike never needed specialized Zero service in two years time. I had a local bike shop replace both the rear and front tire, one due to a puncture and another due to wear.
Only thing needed for winter month storage is to keep the battery SOC between 30 and 60% and obviously the tires properly inflated. My garage is not heated and this is not necessary to store the bike.
Yeah, test ride one if you haven't. Will change your view of the world.
Funny because I'm actually about to do a video about winter storage for the SR.
@@usmcsaxokiThat's awesome, I'll be watching for that 👌 ☃️❄️ Yeah I've read the official Zero explanation of cold weather care, I was just worried about when it got below freezing. Glad it's been trouble free riding for you brother. Thank you for serving our country 🎖️
@@Gaverny No problem. They paid me well. (Wouldn't store your bike outside uncovered obviously...)
I want to get one due to 1 not having to clutch and 2 little to no maintenance.
Yeah brother. If you haven't test rode one, go do it! Only thing I've had to do is replace both tires after almost 10k miles.
Nice ownership review. Has everything to be noted, positives and negatives.
Do you think bigger wind screen would be good?
Can you make a video about 6kWh rapid charger for Zero SR? (connecting 4 of them to charge upto 95% under 3 hours in home plug)
I think any windscreen would be good depending on what you want as a rider. A wind screen would help with aerodynamics and therefore, efficiency. Also would obviously help with a lot of highway riding. But, if you enjoy the free flow of air in your face, I wouldn't bother.
Can't really comment on the accessory chargers. I know you're supposed to use a separate outlet for each one so that would be five outlets total. I could definitely see the benefit of having one accessory charger to bring down the charge time, but that's it. Otherwise, you should get the Charge Tank and a Level II installed in your garage.
Old question i know but...
I was at our local dealer yesterday looking at these. He thinks the screen is good for nearly 10 miles added range if you use it right.
It’s exactly 180 miles to the beach from my house in South Carolina. Once these things get up to a range of about 200 miles and a full charge time under an hour plus keeping price under $10,000 I think gas powered bikes will start becoming a thing of the past really fast
Definitely agree with that statement. Today, electric motorcycles only make sense on a case by case basis as far as where you live, what type of ridding you want to do and the availability of charging infrastructure.
Yes these are exactly the specs needed in my opinion for it to take off
@@beausbargarage6213 @RF90 Energica Experia can doit now ;)
Energica Experia can do it now ;)
Great bike. Thanks for the balanced and detailed review. I have 2 EVs and am now looking for an electric replacement for my motorcycle. I just love having no maintenance. Just wondering what zero says about seasonal storage of the bike? My EVs are constantly in use so this has never been a consideration of mine. Here in Canada we have about 4 months of winter where you can't ride a bike because there's snow. Do you know anything about what Zero recommends for storage for winter or say if you go on a long holiday? Charge to 50% and unplug? Also, is the battery just air cooled? Thanks!
Thanks for the comment! Zero recommends leaving the bike between 30 and 60% SOC (state of charge) and unplugged if not riding for a month or longer. Yes, the battery is air cooled. It's very warm during the summer time in North Carolina (100+ F) and have never had an issue with overheating.
I feel like another Zero video needs to be made. Do you have a goPro that could show us the ride?
This bike looks amazing!🔥 I have a eye on it for a while!. Stay Safe!🙌
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I’m thinking hard about Zero as I have a 25 mile round trip commute so range isn’t the problem. I’m waiting for a scooter format (with rapid acceleration etc.) as the only thing putting me off is the lack of weather protection.
@@Rick-ve5lxAs in, the lack of "weather protection" all motorcycles have or something peculiar to the Zero?
@@usmcsaxoki No, don’t get me wrong, and thanks for replying!
Zero bikes are incredibly impressive. I’m not criticising any naked bike for being just that and am seriously considering a Zero, probably the DS, as my next purchase.
For my specific requirements- short range (25mile round trip) commute, often in rain - a rapid scooter would be fun and practical. If there is no Zero Scooter it’s not a dealbreaker nor is it a criticism of the Zero bikes already available.
@@Rick-ve5lx No, they do not have a scooter. I would go with the S for your specific purpose. Very lightweight, lots of storage and almost as inexpensive as Zeros get.
Quick question. Besides the inside of the extra tank area. Do you have usb plug ins? I use my phone as gps and would like to charge it while ridding
No, the only bikes in Zero's lineup that have the USBs in the storage area are the SR/S and SR/F. Definitely a nice feature.
@@usmcsaxoki gotcha thank you so much! I’m looking to get one this coming summer. So I’m mentally preparing myself
@@MrSokkermasta Nice!
Thanks for the review. Like hearing from someone who owns instead of just riding one once.
I’m the same with you. Once you get into electric propulsion. It’s game over for gas engines. Got my TESLA and will never buy a gas car again. So it’s leaking Into my motorcycles and know this is the next step like you. Thanks
Yep, I've driven the S, X and 3 but haven't been able to pull the trigger on one. Too expensive for me yet. Thanks for the comment.
About time someone came out and said it plainly; if you like riding 50-100 miles ...
My feeling is e-bikes will continue to be impractical until 3 criteria is met:
1. increased range
2. decreased charging times
3. increased number of nationwide ECS
wow - amazing how you narrowed it down - lol
Not for everyone. I have a ‘16 SR and it has a slightly smaller battery than this one. I use it to commute (90 mile round trip) and for quick weekend rides. If I know I’m going to be somewhere for a while, I’ll just carry an extra charge cable in the storage area, and plug in for some extra range. If I were into long touring rides, then I wouldn’t have considered this bike. As it is, I ride to work and back, and plug in while I’m asleep and it is ready to go again the next day. There’s no maintenance, outside of mostly just wheels and brakes (brakes wear out much less often, due to regenerative braking). They are less annoying in traffic situations and starting and stopping on steep hills..no clutch, just throttle and brake.
Love Zero’s bike line up but until Tesla makes e motos, my money’s on Energica. More range, faster charging, and can use L1, 2, & 3.
They’ve incorporated the knowledge gained from being the official supplier of electric moto GP and include much of that tech into their street bikes. Insane torque at the twist of the wrist 💨
www.energicamotorusa.com
Nice review man, do you carry a passenger with you? or ride alone?
Alone. Only carried a passenger once.
@@usmcsaxoki I have a question, I bought mine used 2021 Zero S with 2500 miles in the clock and I can hear the friction of the front brake pad with the disk, this is normal? two different persons told me is normal, what is your experience?
@@metatronmen2431 I do not hear that on mine. However, I do not think it is a problem but you may want to have a bike shop check it out just in case.
thanks for the video! im trying to decide on the fxs or this
I actually would love to have an FXS as well. It depends on what you want the motorcycle for. If you will be doing purely urban/commuting type riding of 50 miles a day or less, I'd go with the FXS. Save you some money and probably a little bit more fun than the SR.
If you want max range (about 120 miles has been my experience based on how I ride) and max performance, go with the SR. The SR is a bargain when compared to the SR/S and SR/F.
Change is good
I rode the Harley one but I’ll take the
Zero DSR
FLY NAVY
Devil Dog, how is the comfort? I'm concerned at 6'2" and 215 that it might be a bit small. Thanks, and SF!
At your height, the bike is probably a little small. You'd be more comfortable on a Zero DSR. Cheers.
@@usmcsaxoki That's what I thought- thanks.
No charge tank installed? Why not?
No level II charger and I prefer to have that storage space.
@@usmcsaxoki thanks for replying! I test drove the FSX a while ago, didn't like it bc the seats too skinny. 2 days ago I test drove the S and I love it! Would you get the S if you had a charge tank?
@@blacksharkus Nope. I do like the FSX though. If I got another one, that's what I'd get.
This is the first time I have seen a review. Owner review that is. Cheers
Thanks!
I was so gonna ask where u live and you stated NC....and theres a store that carries them HERE...Im so gonna go check that out soon...Im in Greensboro so thats a very short drive for that kinda experience. thanks. can't w8!
I bought mine from Team Powersports in Raleigh. Definitely go test ride one.
@@usmcsaxoki most definitely will thanx
Shame about the price which puts it out of the range of a lot of would-be buyers :(
It is expensive, no doubt. But still the industry leader if you ask me when it comes to money for performance and range.
@Dumbelldoor Yessir.
@Dumbelldoor Cheers!
Check out sondors metacycle .MAYBE IN YOUR RANGE.
@@usmcsaxoki what about the energica or Damon?
Thank you 🙏
You're welcome.
I have a 2017....very nice bike...snapped a belt in the first 6 months ..warranty covered...good since then..3years., ive had my livewire for 6 months...great bike!!!
I'm biased, 16 bikes, mostly Harley's and buells....but the zero and livewire are definitely fun and different...ride.
That's great, sir. I've rode the Livewire and it's pretty sweet. Love to have one if I could. I did buy an extra belt because I've heard of that happening on Zeros but it hasn't happened to me yet. Only thing I've had to do is replace both tires after almost 10k miles now. Still love it!
Great vid, Devil Dog! Is that an Indiana plate on your Prius?
Yep.
@@usmcsaxoki I'm just North of Indy in the 'burbs. I've been eyeballing the DSR- looks like a great machine! Stay safe down there- I have family in Apex- and Happy Holidays.
Great looking bike ( it's the way to go ) thinking of getting one .
No regrets.
So how long will it take me to get to Florida from Arizona? A week? What am I supposed to do while I wait for this thing to charge up? Geez, I like naps but three hours to get going again sucks. At this rate a guy on a mountain bike will get to Florida first
No doubt. I say in the review it is NOT a road trip bike. You can spend half the money and find literally thousands of better options new and used if you want to travel cross country on a motorcycle. Thanks.
How do they in weather conditions is getting the battery wet a issue
Colder temperatures = less range and vice versa. Riding in the rain has no effect on the battery or the motorcycle in general.
does the bike has a space to carry the charger?
great review.
It does. Either underneath or in the storage compartment. It's not a "charger", it's just the chord that you plug into the bike and an outlet. The charger is integrated into the bike.
Or carry a petrol generator in your pannier and charge it from that😁 ( joking)
Wow great review! Thanks 👍
Thank you.
Excellent review, thanks for sharing!
Check out my SR/F review. Thanks!
Over 7,100 miles now. Zero (pun intended) issues.
👍🏼 Nice! Haven’t done a thing to my electric motorcycle since 2016. No warming up before riding.. no oil/filter changes. No stopping at gas stations. Just unplug and ride! 😎
@@evolv.e Yeah! What kind do you have?
Great, in-depth review. I love my 2016 Zero SR, and while I do still have an ICE bike I only ride that when I need long distance capability. Although that's about to change with the installation of an aftermarket 10 kW Type 2 charger kit that is nearly twice as fast as the Zero Charge Tank but only replaces the belly pan and OEM charger and will leave my storage compartment free. It will also keep the center of gravity nice and low so it doesn't hurt the awesome handling of the bike. I'll also have a lot more flexibility for different types of charge points and it will charge 50% faster even from a regular wall outlet. Can't wait!!!
Damn. You should make a video about that. Not sure how you charge 50% faster from a regular wall outlet since the outlet only outputs a certain amount of energy no matter how much charge capacity you have.
@@usmcsaxoki You're aware there's a charger involved, right? Because the OEM charger only does 1.5 kW, whereas an Australian wall outlet can supply 2.4 kW, and a Diginow charger can do 3.3 kW. So yeah, a DigiNow charger can charge your bike twice as fast from the same wall outlet as the factory charger can, and has to be *turned down* to do it.
@@googlebox1655 Hmm. Interesting. I will have to research that. The only thing I was thinking of doing is buying a quick charger to double the charge time but honestly, I've never needed quicker charging.
@@usmcsaxoki There's really not much difference between overnight and a few hours. Anything over an hour is useless for road tripping, so there's not any useful difference between 2 hours and 9 hours except in very rare circumstances. But that's why it's critical that all the bike manufacturers put quick charging - 1 hour or less - on their bikes. Once there's no difference in capability between electric and ICE, there's no reason to go ICE.
@@googlebox1655 Yes. And obviously, price too.
I'm looking into electric bikes as a more efficient way for me to get to work. My route is a decent amount of ups and downs and straights. Total to and from is about 66miles or 55 minutes of normal driving. Would the bike handle that well or would I risk running out of battery. Thanks for any comment!
66 miles round trip would be no problem for a Zero SR or SR/F or SR/S. Depending on how fast and how much stop and go traffic is, you could almost do that twice before charging.
I recommend looking at the range specs on Zero's website for deferent types of driving. I've found these to be accurate based on my own experience.
Does it stop when it gets hot?
Hasn't happened to me yet.
@@usmcsaxoki in the summer in Bakersfield, ca. my temp got up to 220f after about three or four hard acceleration and the motor went to turtle mode.
Every Zero except the SR/F will go all the way to 100% if left plugged in. Like a Tesla, the SR/F charging limit can be set. So, if you only need 80% charge, you set it to that and the bike will stop charging at 80%. For all Zero's bikes, they recommend that if you do charge it to 100%, do not leave it plugged in. This is to help longevity of the battery. If you know anything about Li-Ion batteries, they do not like to be charged all the way and then discharged to near nothing. Unless I'm going for a long ride, I usually keep my bike charged around 80 to 90%. The lowest I've ran the battery was down into the teens. The only way to limit the charge level is to simply go out and unplug it when it's charged to the level I want. Like most things in life, if you don't push them to their limit constantly, they will last you a long time.
usmcsaxoki Loved your video! My two favorite e motos are the Zero SR (the SR/F is also nice) and Energica’s Ribelle. Once I felt my first rush of torque from electric propulsion, I’ve never looked back. My family & I are electric for life! ⚡️
my wife has 95,600+ mikes on her 2014 Model S and the only maintenance she’s had to do is replace the rear tires and change the cabin air filter. She rarely charges past 65% due to the 85kW battery and only charges to 80-90% if she’s taking a multi-state road trip. This last summer, she drove from LA to Vancouver Canada & back. As simple as typing in the destination and letting the nav calculate where to stop and for how long. Naturally, the other 99% of the time, she just wakes up to a sufficiently charged car every morning. Takes just 10 seconds to plug in and another 10 seconds to unplug the next day- the vehicle is smart enough to charge when it needs to the state of charge it needs.
keep in mind though all zeros have the greenwatt "calex 1200" on board charger that is prone for failure after 20k miles. I just replaced one and some guys with higher miles is on their second. If you use your zero for longer distances and often enough, than you are lucky enough for that to fail during periods that is covered under warranty. I wasn't one of those. I hit 20k miles after 5 years of owning my 2014 s, so i paid that out of pocket. It costed 800$ for the part with 400$ for labor, i did that labor myself. So just be ready to spend 1200$ every 20k miles for a new on board charger if you don't plan on changing those out yourselves.
Thanks for the info. Hopefully, the on board charger is better on the 2018s than the 2014s but I have heard bad things about them in the past. Would you recommend buying a $600 quick charger and just using that to charge at home to increase the longevity of the on board charger?
@@usmcsaxoki I dont own quick charger, but I suppose it would help. When I go to work, I now charge it for 3 hours before lunch, then unplug it. After lunch I plug it back for 3 more hours. That way the on board charger gets an hour to cooldown. Hopefully that helps with the longevity
Would you ever consider a Livewire ?
Nope. Too expensive.
Hi, how long the battery last before need to be replaced and what is the price for that ?
Great questions. Answer: I don't know. The battery has a 5 year warranty and I haven't had to do anything with it yet. No degradation I've noticed either.
Sorry if you told that in video but what is your average KWH consumption per 60 miles (miles per 1 KWH?)? does bike show that? Interested in real person experience.
I average about 10 to 12 miles per KWh. I explain how this is in my other Zero SR videos. The bike shows displays instant watt hours (Whs) per mile, trip average Whs per mile and lifetime average Whs per mile. My average Wh per mile is 83.9. My range varies from around 100 to 120 to 140 based on a number of conditions like how hard I ride, how fast I ride and ambient air temperature.
Thank you for your reply. This is a smaller consumption than I thought; however, I still think that I need at least a 23 kWh battery for my riding preferences. Love everything else about th bike though.
@@ernestt4460 You do you, brother. Last I checked, there are no bikes with that big a battery. Thanks for your comments!
How much to replace batteries?
Don't know. Probably not cheap though. I'll let you know after about 200,000 miles.
usmcsaxoki 200,000?
walter kersting The battery is designed to last 2,000 charge cycles before it drops in efficiency. If you average around 100 miles per charge, you get the 200k he listed. The battery and motor are supposed to last well past that, too.
Eric Benson mmmkay. I am at once amazed by electric vehicles of all kinds( every time I drive an electric vehicle I am impressed; I drove a leaf, an electric bicycle, a scooter and of course who hasn’t thrashed the hell out of a melex golf cart) and skeptical of their performance claims.
@@stuntviking9697 Yep. Hopefully, it's not an issue for my time with the bike.
why you put your glove below the kickstand?
I don't like how far the bike leans on its stand so I put a little book about one inch thick and an old work glove to keep the kickstand from sliding off the book. Plus, it takes up less room in the garage when it is not leaned over as far.
Does it come with the charger
Yes. The charger is integrated into the bike. You can't even see it but it sits below the battery. The charging chord comes with the bike. I bought a spare to keep one in my garage and one in the bike at all times.
usmcsaxoki how fast does it charge using the cord it comes with?
@@misterjay4347 Depends on where the battery is at. I think Zero says 9.8 hrs from 0 to 100%. I've never been down into the single digits. Usually where I'm at, it takes around 2 to 3 hours.
Can you tell me if the brake lights come on during re-gen braking?
They do not.
My peeve is it doesn't come with a windshield.
Yep. Just bought the "touring" windshield for $250. Worth it.
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Thank you enough contemplating for mr brother...I’m getting me 19’ or 20’ SR model..are there any difference i
Between the two years?
There may be some software upgrades but I think that's about it.
See it all as well electric, if that time ones come,when I’m watching all these bikes, cars , it’s just impressive
Nice gen1 Volt! I have one in my EV family fleet as well. That Prius could be replaced with a Model 3 ;). I am a motorcyclist but still waiting for a bike that is as compelling and capable as my Model 3. For me, price, range, and charging infrastructure for bikes still has to get a bit better. The Lightning Strike could be close but ergonomics may be too sporty.
I would love a Model 3. Only problem is the 40k+ for the standard range plus all said and done. Can't except a car payment right now. My 2013 Prius is a great car and a true work horse. Best road trip car if you don't own a Tesla with the 48+ MPGs.
This is a great review, thanks
No problem. Still love this bike after 11,000 miles.
Hell yeah dude🤙
That's a nice color, I didn't know they had a white one. God bless brother.
Thanks!
Nice video. I have one ICE vehicle left (k1300s BMW) and it's getting replaced by an Energica Ego+ in a couple weeks. Totally agree electric is the future.
That's awesome! Energica's are really heavy though.
@@usmcsaxoki new one is a little lighter and 22kw pack
how high is the seat, I'm not that tall 5'5'' had a Buell lighting had difficulty touching the ground, no seat adjustment.
Seat height is 31.8 inches. I'm 5' 10" and both my feet lay flat when sitting on the bike.
thanks for reply, a bit to tall for me, the manufacturers don't seem to consider adjustable seats, unlike cars,
@@spgranorthiam123 Yes, Zero's bikes are tall. Never thought of an adjustable seat on a motorcycle.
You are comparing this with a street glide??? They are NOT even in the same category. Completely different kinds of bike even with electric aside. I was expecting a comparison to the HD Wire. I'd suggest riding that and then coming back for an update comparison review.
I did review both.
@@usmcsaxoki I'll look it up. Thanks.....
@@usmcsaxoki Still does not take from my statement about comparing a street glide to this thing.
@@infini1970 That comparison was to just put some torque figures in perspective. Obviously comparing these two would be like comparing a Tesla Model S to a RAM 2500.
@@usmcsaxoki Right. Sorry if I was being hard on you a bit. Internet. Watching your comparison video though I can see the value in the Zero. Like Toyota over a BMW in a way. I did test ride the Wire and was really really impressed with it. I don't think it's a viable purchase over yours if you have long trips like 100 miles a day honestly. For me if I had the $$ either of these bikes would be great for the city though. Really good for that.
Excellent video.
Thanks!
i see it has passenger foot rests but no passenger strap. Can you ride with a passenger or need to add additional accessory to make it street legal for passenger rules?
Having a passenger is completely legal. Many Zero riders ride two up.
Bet your Toyota needed a charge the next morning. Your interior lights on!
What? The engine charges the Prius battery as a pure hybrid.
how you feel about the lack of traction control?
Don't need it.
@@usmcsaxoki Every EV needs it, because 100% torque available from zero revs is an accident (in the wet, particularly) waiting to happen - just search "Zero motorcycle crash" on TH-cam to see the examples why. It's why I prefer the SR/F personally.
@@RichDunn Well, yes if the bike allowed for 100% of the torque at 0 MPH, you'd immediately crash on dry pavement. You don't need it unless you ride extremely hard and extremely dangerously. "This is my traction control." (Picture a hand and wrist twisting a throttle.)
@@RichDunn Search "car crashes" on TH-cam to see idiots crashing their cars.
Nice review, thank you for sharing. Is it just me... or you speak really fast ? Had difficulty to understand. Ride safe 👍👍👍
Probably speaking really fast. Thanks!
I had the same thought. Some friendly advice: slow down. It’s apparent that you’re reading from a script, but we want to hear every word. Great review!
@@DadOutdoors thank goodness, I thought was only me, hehehe 👍👍👍
@@DadOutdoors Thanks!
What do you think about Harley's up coming Livewire?
That's a difficult question to answer. Will get back to you when I have a little more time.
Ok, difficult question. From what I've heard from a source in the electrical motorcycle industry that I trust is that Harley-Davidson had a company they acquired make 200 or so of them, the batteries used in them are already years old and that once those 200 or so produced are sold, that's it. Harley will not make any more because they can't. It's essentially a publicity stunt to show people that Harley is "innovating" and "looking to the future". It's also a way for Harley to say that they "tried" but that it failed and people only want their other bikes. That sounds like it's a conspiracy but that's what I've heard. And for 30k, it's really going to just be a collectors bike for people with lots of extra money that love motorcycles.
The bike itself looks really cool and I'm sure it's fun to ride. Needs to be under 20k though. And, why the hell can't it charge at Level II? It will only charge on Level I and Level III according to the website. Weird.
And seriously, electric motorcycles are such a niche product anyway that anybody who wants one will research them and go to Zero, Energica or another small company that specializes in them.
❤️ Zero!
Yeah!
Traded in my Harley Road Glide for the new SR/F :)
Ha! Nice. What made you do that?
@@usmcsaxoki A couple of reasons. I have had nonstop problems with my road glide, mostly little recall things, and also a couple electrical problems.
I ended up not using it for going on many road trips, ended up just being my around town bike and occasional road trip.
I used to have a Victory Empulse (until my brother totaled it) and have been wanting to get back into the EV world. Zero motorcycles were always tempting, but I never really liked the style. Even with the SR/F, I was torn between it, Energica, and Lightning...Zero dealer is 10 minutes away from me, so they won in the end.
@@Amnpaterson Well, Energica and Lightning are much more expensive. I didn't like the Energicas because they are so heavy. My Dad's kind of in the same situation. He has a Road King and only uses it for short trips. I think he'd love a Zero FX because he has some woods and you can take that bike on the road as well.
Andrew P Honestly I don’t know why brothers have a tendency to total vehicles that aren’t theirs,I let my brother use my car for the week and he brought it back totaled.. I ended up giving it to him and he sold it for scraps,I felt like a piece of shit for even letting him sit in it..
usmcsaxoki I’m talking from brother to brother,is it worth it to get one of these? I don’t mind the price,I care about how much smiles I get per mile. People complain about how expensive these babies get but they are the same people spending 50k dollars on a new Toyota Avalon. Keep it good man and hope you squeeze every ounce of fun out of it 👍
If you have an EV, and trully want to protect the envvironment, either install Solar/wind power OR contact your power company. WHere I live I can pay a bit extra a month,b ut it guarantees most of my power comes from so called "green" energy sources, versus coal powerplants (which are very common in my state) or or gas powerplants.
I do love EVs as a means of lower commuting prices. And you can have fun with them (Even a Smart EV!)
Yep. My local provider is a Coop and they unfortunately don't have a "green" power option. Buying a house right now and plan to install solar PV. Video's to come...
The number of distracted drivers on the road continues to increase with every new app on their phone. I used to ride road bicycle everywhere, even in Wisconsin’s cold winters. I stopped riding on roads about 10 years ago due to all the distracted drivers, only a matter of time before I would get hit. (Family friend was fiend for riding and got hit by a young lady, with a nice new car and no insurance. Messed him up really bad, he’s cognitively slow now.) That brings me to motorcycles. I used to be a “quiet pipe” advocate, but not anymore. I want them to know I am near. I have a quiet motorcycle and it’s night and day how many cars/trucks try to change lanes into me, drift into me, etc. When I’m on my loudest bike, NEVER an issue. I would go so far as to say I can see the moment they hear me because the swaying stops, they center up in their lane, and stay that way. Like the clickety clack of my T.I.’s boots I think. It makes me grin every time. On my quiet bike I can almost sneak up on them, get alongside and see them looking down at their cell phone. Anyhow, I like the idea of electric bikes, I would love to own one, but I’m skeptical about not being heard. We need every advantage to be seen and heard now that 90% (yes 90%) are distracted. Plus I like the rumble of my Harley :)
Understand completely. Bottom line, we must always ride like we are invisible and all other drivers have no idea we are near. (I miss the rumble too sometimes. Don't tell anybody.)
You said beeping you were probably thinking blinking
If you are talking about the charging indicator light, correct. It does not make any beeping noise when charging. That would be annoying.
I feel like Tito Ortiz is telling me bout this bike I love it 👍🏻
Had to look up who Tito Ortiz is and I'm going to take it as a compliment unless you tell me otherwise. Thanks!!!
Thanks for posting this video. Me and a co-worker had a conversation about Harley's electric bike. I think if they were actually serious about selling this bike, then they screwed up. I also think that at this point electric bikes in general are still at the novelty stage. I think that electric bikes have an enormous potential..... as soon as they can get their miles per charge up and more charging stations are available. But only able to go off the harley, 8 hour charge times and a 130-200 mile limit just isn't good enough. Not to mention not all that many charging places. Also, the price. The live-wire goes for 30K US. A sportster with a peanut tank has about the same range on a tank.and only a 8k price tag brand new. Me? I'm oldschool hardcore (?) Anyways, it's not uncommon for me to go 400-600 miles at a time. My normal work commute is 60 miles (30-eachway in rush hour traffic) An electric bike at this time just won't do that. I think that's what electric bike makers need to shoot for. Anyways, glad you like your bike. LOL when are we gonna see an electric bagger?
Still love it after 11,000 miles and counting. Thanks for the comment.
To be honest, most Zero motorcycles can handle 60 miles. You just charge every time you park and you’re usually good to go.
I have electric dirt bikes I commute on and I’ve been good. Just can’t go as fast for as long. Only downside.
Will this fit a big boy lol
Maybe. It's a pretty small bike. Carrying capacity is 492 lbs so...
I'd get the L2 charger option so i could take short trips. Lots of places to ride here in Florida, so it would be nice to juice it up quick to ride back home without having to wait for an overnight charge.
Good call.
NC baby
Just learned Michael Jordan grew up in Wilmington.
good review
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
To be fair, it doesn’t take much to too a Harley. Literally any similar engine produced from 1980+ will be a upgrade from most Harleys. No hate on Harley. They have a purpose.
But these Zeros are changing the game. Once batteries are standardized and stations have battery swaps, these things will be everywhere. But only if they upgrade the battery swap market for them. Without that, charging kinda sucks.
Not for everyone, that's for sure. I think it's simple economics. Make a great product with a market that's priced right and people will buy it.
"Ride like you're invisible."
Harley: Needy and attention-seeking, dressing up and being as loud as possible, like a 16-year-old girl.
Vrrrreeeemmmm-blap-bre-bre-bre-bre-bre!
Yes
Yeah, thanks, great video, but now I have to get another bike haha
Can you have too many?
You lost me at the price lol. Sorry, but I remember when 1080p plasma flat screen tv's were $6000 and needed recharged. Today that same size tv at 4k is $300. I know because I just bought one. It's amazing. I'm astonished at what people pay to have the latest and greatest to impress their family and friends. This same bike will cost $500 or less in 5 years. After politicians find a way to hijack $$ off of them of course. I want one, and will get one, just not NOW.
I don't know about $500 or less in five years but hopefully the price continues to drop. The Zero SR is already a grand less today than when I bought it.
Gas motorcycles are around the same price and have so much more hidden problems. Harley has e bikes and cost 20000 just for the name. Lol They might not let them get that cheap.
@@formeitwastuesday.1515 I want on one badly but you also have to remember what happens when they release the latest and greatest smart phones. They cost the most and haven't worked out the glitches. My ex dropped $800 on my son's Iphone 10 when it came out. Sure it was the baddest dog on the block and came with bragging rights but my first smart phone was an LG Rebel 4. It has a 16 mp camera, bluetooth, 32gb memory, ect. All the features and only cost me $50 with no contract. Is it an Apple product? No, but works just fine for me. I'm willing to wait for the technology to become affordable before I pull the trigger. Of course I was exaggerating when I said $500 for an electric motorcycle but when they get down to the $2500-$3500 range with better range and charging times I'll be there. Checkbook in hand.
The thing is, its not all about impressing other people. If there are no early adopters, they will not get cheaper. If you think electric bikes are a good idea, and you want to see them everywhere, you can support the market by getting one when you can afford it. Also, the price drop will not be as radical as you're saying. Even as batteries get cheaper, you still have to build a motorbike and turn a profit. Never going to be $500.
Truly a lovely E-MC
Never owned a Harley and until the Zero can do 250 miles highway and charge in 20 minutes Full won’t get one of those either, would however love to see the Harley Bronx. However I do have a reservation for the controversial CyberTruck. So not against electrics.
Cool.
You love speed, yet it tops out at just over 100 mph HAHA! That's barely touching second gear for me. This thing could never replace my superbike or supersport on the track or the road. How many laps can this thing even do before the battery dies? It seems like a bike more suited towards people who prefer cruisers or hyper naked bikes., or the sportbike rider that buys one for the "cool" factor and the thought of going fast but never does. I personally love up and downshifting through the gears, the sound of the engine without any restrictions like cats, and the challenge of trying to tame 200+hp.
You do you, brother (or sister, don't know for sure). This is definitely not a replacement for a proper liter bike. I think by speed, I meant quickness and yes, I realize there's a big difference. I'm not a track guy and the fastest I ever want to go on or in anything is about 90 (on the ground. I've flown two seat aircraft cruising at 320 mph). 90 is fast enough for me. Be safe out there.
0-200 km/h ( 125 Miles/h) with a Energica Ego in 7,2 Sec.
The most superbikes are slower.
Xero, Prius, Volt.
The ONLY thing that turns me off from a Zero is the cheap looking LCD screen. I have seen an electric Honda scooter and it had a very nice LED screen. SO MUCH easier to read. I wish Zero wouldn’t cheap out with these ugly LCD screens.
Cool. Disagree but I kind of know what you mean. I like minimalistic things and their screen gives me exactly what I need without fluff.
if you put a hydrogen fuel cell in it you will get a huge range....
Probably wouldn't be as aerodynamic though with all the accouterments that go along with that technology. Might weigh more too.
@@usmcsaxoki 99% of aerodynamics are lost from the riders back and helmet, it'll fit...
@@usmcsaxoki it'll cost alot though...
@@dylandesmond You build it, I'll test ride it.
@@usmcsaxoki i'll stick to my 900nm ebike instead haha
I’m going to buy one
I never Buy a electric bike battery died you know no one's got hours to be charging sitting when they have to go somewhere
Never stop for gas sounds great to me Bro I like that option😊👍
But with the Electric Bike you just Be Stoping for Air 😂
Ill pass on any electric..maybe good for around town but for serious touring not practical
Agreed.
To bad the government doesn't get tax revenue from electric vehicles to maintain the roads.
Too bad...