Is This Myth GREEK or EGYPTIAN?
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Btw, once you finish with heracles, do you have any troyan war related plans?
As far as i remember from the osp video there are like 5 books (i only remember 3 books talking about it, one of them isn't even greek) but there are many inconsistencies (like most of myths, but troyan war seems kinda important as almost any book i know talks about it)
@@inigo-montoya you watch osp too! i've got the Hephaestus and Aphrodite pins.
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Fun fact, these myths inspired the movie Mrs. Doubtfire. The scene where Mrs. Doubtfire sets one of the kids on fire to make them immortal was cut from the theatrical release. The name of the movie and the titular character really don't make sense anymore without the scene of the children's mother doubting that the fire was a positive thing.
got me in the first half ngl
Is this real 😅
@@spinningspinach5183 no. Fake news.
Such a long walk for a short sip of Water. LOVE IT.❤
Hah
The whole "character losing loved one and going to the underworld to resurrect them just to find out that the revived won't be the same anymore" is also similar to Gilgamesh's story with Enkidu
I do believe that the goddess Ishtar, who Im pretty sure is in the same mythology as Gilgamesh, also had a similar story. She traveled to the Underworld for a similar reason! The channel OverlySarcasticProductions did a video on similar "Person goes to underworld to save someone" stories! Its neat to watch
@@pixeltycoon1967 Ironically, It was thanks to Ishtar that Enkidu died iirc
She had a crush on Gilgamesh and since he rejected her she sent a giant bull after him, but he defeated it anyway so she cursed at him and Enkidu butted in his defense
The gods remembered that they created Enkidu to kill Gilgamesh and instead befriended him, so they punished them by making Enkidu terminally ill
This is also similar to the tale of the three brothers in Harry Potter
@@GandalfTheTsaagan I thought the gods cursed Enkidu to slowly return to what he's made out of, clay.
@@neoniintention4536 That's likely the case, the version I saw said that he started dying
The mother at the pool: Kids on youtube
The kid being played with: Greek Mythology
The kid drowning: Egyptian Mythology
The skeleton at the bottom of the sea: Sumerian Mythology
people should talk about Sumer more
I like how he adds some mythology podcast on his cat filming videos
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Time to rant about this.
The big problem with Egyptian mythology in modern media is that we never relate it to the actual EGYPTIAN sources. The Osiris myth is several millennia old, is bloody big and complicated, has changed very often, varied from local narratives and consists of thousands of fragments. But every time the Osiris myth is mentioned on an internet page or a TH-cam video, it is always the version of Plutarch. Plutarch, s GREEK writer who did not even intend to report neutrally on Egyptian mythology. A myth that is thousands of years old gets always reduced to a version from a single later foreign source.
Nephthys dresses up as Isis to sleep with Osriris? Plutarch wrote it. There is no reference to this tale in any Egyptian source.
Seth has a coffin made to kill Osiris? Plutarch wrote it. There is no reference to this tale in any (early) Egyptian source. In the Pyramid Texts, Osiris is killed by Seth with a knife.
Seth kills Osiris because of Nephthy's affair? Plutarch wrote it. There is no reference to this tale in any Egyptian source. In the Osiris myth, Nephthys is only ever mentioned as a nurse or mother of Horus and second wife or (and) sister of Osiris
It's basically like basing knowledge of European fairy tales on Disney films.
I had never heard this bizarro coffin and sleeping with Nephthys version of Osiris's myth before. The one I heard, Set dices up Osiris like that "Peppa pig jigsaw puzzle" meme where the puzzle is just pancetta. Then Set sprinkles the pieces all over the land. Isis and Nephthys try to gather up the all the pieces and find everything but his dong. So they replace his missing peen with a gold one but since they couldn't find all the pieces they couldn't bring him back to life and Osiris was only half brought back and must stay afterlife. EDIT:Spelling
@@vladprus4019 i'd say that base it in Disney life action, but yeah, kinda
The problem with Egyptian mythology in general is that the gods never seem to be as human and relatable as the Greek ones. Outside of Seth killing Osiris, i can't remember any story of them acting out of human emotions we all share (hopefully outside of wanting to kill someone).
@@avidfather1864 I don't think that's true; Egyptian gods might be more disconnected from the human experience than Greek ones but there's plenty of times when they act on emotion or behave like humans.
Geb(the earth) and Nut(the sky) are married but forcibly separated by their father Shu(air/sky) which, while creating the cosmos, is a real dick move and supposedly done out of jealousy. When Geb later becomes farao he takes Shu's wife as his queen to get revenge.
Khnum(creator god) prevents the Nile from flooding for seven years, causing a great famine, because he felt neglected and thought minor gods were getting more attention than him. He doesn't forgive the humans until he gets lots of gold etc. and is promised even more riches in the future.
Bes protects homes from evil and since he keeps bad things away he must like good things, making the same god who scares away demons with his intimidating looks a huge fan of dance, music and sexual pleasure.
Taweret is utterly horrifying but that's just because she's a protective mother and together with Bes, she watches over women in labour and protects all mothers and children.
Isis is often scheming to get more powerful or protect a loved one.
Nephtys is heavily associated with mourning and depicted on her knees, crying over the death of Osiris.
Ra is often selfish or hungry for power and there are myths about him sulking, being paranoid or vengeful.
I know Overly Sarcastic Productions have some videos where the human side of Egyptian gods is shown but there's lots to read about it, both in books and online.
I really like listening to people recap mythology especially when it has humour.
what I love about this channel is your willingness to both do the animation in order to visually illustrate the condensed retelling of ancient myths and histories, while also taking the time to cite your sources and explain where these interpretations come from.
many other content creators would simply settle for the simplified retelling, without further contextualizing that content. that you do both is what elevates your content beyond other similar channels, at least for me.
Jake: *An entire explanation on the time that these two similar legends were first recorded and why they are so similar*
Me: Ooh cat.
The "placing child on a hearth" thing comes from prehistoric rituals which survived in tales and some myth but lost their true meaing. These rituals are shared between many cultures, no wonder they apperar both in Greek and Egyptian myght. This theme of placing child in fire appears even in Russian folklore
You definetly should read the book "Historical Roots of the wonder tale" by Vladimir Propp. You will love it, tons of chaotic pagan stuff with proper academic analysis which might help you in your videos
The Bible even has a passage in which God forbids people from 'passing their children through the fire'
As I mentioned in another video about Persephone's lore; Demeter's wrath is almost similar to how Parvati demonstrate how material things such as food are important, to Shiva. Almost like Demeter who went away causing crops to not grow and people to grow hungry, Parvati also went away to prove her point. However, when she came back she became Annapurna who provides food; in Demeter's case the seasons had some reason of being.
Ur indian?
Agar ho toh aap sahi ke rahe agar nahi toh mei khafi impressed hu
Translation: if u are, u are righttttttt but if u are not i am impressed
i saw annapurna and went "isn't that an indie game studio?"
i always find it interesting when companies with names like annapurna interactive turn out to be named after deities
@@SimsyHazel No
@@auliamate I don't know, maybe.
The "Magical Nanny" thing got me thinking; given the powers she has in the original Travers' novel, it could be that Mary Poppins is just Isis in disguise.
huh
I've heard an argument that the story of Osiris actually influenced the story of Dionysos, another Chthonic god who had the whole "torn-apart-and-resurrected" thing happening.
Specifically, Orphic Dionysus
Love how both you and OSP call Alexander, the "pretty alright".
Another example of two cultures with a similar story are that of Ireland’s: Oisin and Tir na nog and Japan’s Urashima Taro, both are very similar despite how far away Ireland and Japan are from each other.
Same applies with Herakles and Krishna
So a possible ancient Greek Source?
Just wanted to say that I love your videos! They're funny, but also an interesting take on how historical events/phenomenon influenced belief systems of the time. I really appreciate the amount of work you put into each of these! Keep up the good work!
5:41 in case you didn't notice, the cat in the background is licking itself and has the word " gross" written on it
Think you could do a video on the syncretism of flood stories?
The Bible has one, Mesopotamia has 2, even Greece has one. And Egyptian myth starts with one.
YES PLEASE! I'd love to see all the ancient Flood story heros thinking they're the only one who survived , but there's like an ancient sea vessel from various different cultures all bobbing over the waves.
There are some videos already explaining the flood myth which, just like the myth of humans and the myth of some huge snake-like appearing everywhere around the world in some way or form, are pretty universal even if it's refrenced everywhere actually, most have concluded that it was due to a geological event which happened a long ass time ago, or mostly because the first civilizations depended on the rivers around them (Nile, Tigris and Eufrates, Yellow and Indus) so there was always bound to be a common flood within these places, (reason why the Egyptian made a calendar for the irrigation of the Nile, why the Mesopotamians worshipped their God who were always cruel since there where a lot of bad floodings, why the yellow River also floods in the romance era, and Indus valley.... the civilization actually seemed to really care about water a lot seeing that there where public baths and in all houses there was also some kind of bath, so yeah, water was very important.)
It isn't much of syncretism, rather just natural events which would occur to any civilizations, like seasons or the explanation of the dead, or snake people...everywhere... though there are some which do sound familiar, take the case of the Bible and Mesopotamia, or the case of the two children in ancient China surviving the flood and creating the population a new. Rather the flood myth in general always has some sort of ties to the first and last humans which would have created the world in which we live in now. And that could also just be a very powerful myth passed down or copied from other places, especially when it retells a part as to who we came from.
@@mewe1717 ok.
But what if I want a specific content creator I like to do one?
@@yusheitslv100 patreon prob would help
@@yusheitslv100 I'm with you there my guy. It's not that I'm not aware of the stories, it's that I would love to see a comedic take on them in such a medium.
Old culture did not live in isolated bubbles so it is common to see myth and folklore crossing over. Like Oskoreia (Scandinavian), Herlaping (England), Maisnie Hellequin (France), Dziki Gon (Poland), Ghost Rider (USA) and so on. All version of a wild hunt.
0:17 georgie!
I loved the half n half goddess of Isis and Demeter. Really gives you a character that's funny and a good idea of how they merged into one entity over the millennia.
I'd like that you cover other events that aren't necessarily mythology, like the death of Socrates, as long as it sounds interesting.
"Taboo against recording super bad events"
Holy shit that's real. Generally, it is still a taboo talk about anything bad, especially related to death. People generally avoid talking about mortality because they are afraid it will bring bad luck and will cause death to happen, I really hate when I am trying to have a serious conversation about death and someone shushes me for bad luck.
Thanks for the video! I knew Isis became popular among the Greeks, didn’t know she merged with Demeter. And that magical nanny story... wasn’t there a similar story about Moses? Wasn’t Moses sent down a river in Egypt when he was a baby where he was found by an Egyptian princess who adopted him and hired his real mother to be his nanny? Or something like that. I only vaguely recall a couple tales from Moses youth, did any of them include the themes that linked Isis and Demeter ? It would be interesting to know if a third story line also shared this same plot
My vision of how the two myths got to be one is that in some room in egypt there were two dudes, an egyptian and a greek smoking pot or some other type of drug. Then the two start talking about meaning in life, morality and religion and they suddenly got the biggest wtf moment in they lifes.
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Woah I did know that...
Waited the whole day for this likely to be 4 minute video, cant wait
I totally loved the mythology bits of the ad. Was kind of expecting you to talk about Atlas the Titan though but what we got was really funny.
It's Mediterranean because nearby cultures share myths.
3:58 "that cool but physically impossible slide" TO YOU. I can do it flawlessly.
Jake I just want you to know! I absolutely love your videos! I check every week for your content, it’s fantastic! Keep it up! Thank you for what you do! (Yes I am drunk but yours are one of the first channels I look for every week! You legend!
I love this series, it's nice to have simple recaps of mythology like this. :)
also 420th like lets gooo
I’m not gonna go on a rant because I do not have a wrinkly brain and know a whole lot about Greek mythology. I just wanted to say: I love your videos and I find Greek mythology really interesting because of you. Thanks. Oh wait. I guess this was a rant.
You know what... Both stories sound like Ishtar's journey into the underworld to rescue her husband
Here from the smelly stream!
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Alex the pretty alright! Yes! Might we have another osp fan here?
I wonder if there’s also a connection to be made with the whole “lost loved one becoming a prominent underworld diety” thing?
Hey love your channel, I know animation takes a while so if it helps I think people enjoy the videos where you just record yourself as much as your animations. If you think that will make it easier to produce content
The way the cats are sleeping omg 😭😭💕💕💕
we need vids on underrated gods like prometheus or vidar in norse mythology
I agree! Prometheus has always seemed such a benefactor to humans, but the few tales about him he gets punished.
6:20 OSP reference?
Here from stream
Such a thorough analisis. Amazing
I love when you always cited the sources.
People tend to forget that most ancient myths didn't come in ready-made, neatly anthologized paclages.
Love the new style! Awesome video btw
Finally the stream started 🙂
Makes me think of how the Irish myth of Oisin in Tir na Nog is really similar to the Japanese story of Urashima Taro.
I love your illustration of the “normal lady” disguise😂
It'd be cool if you did a video on Baltic Paganism
Good stream
Also the sky and earth gods getting hooked up
Great explanation!!! I love it.
Hello people from the stream
My body is ready
Who was just looking at the cat 😂
In my old class I learned the collected unconscience it where people who have never met before shares similar story like the werewolf and the wendigo.
The TLDR one can always get from ancient history and mythology: ain't nobody writing anything down (edit: and keeping it safe enough to wind up in a museum 90% of the time)
yeah i was thinking that too when i was watching that i was like isn't that exactly like demeter burning a babey so he could be powerful
The Background Cats make this video so much better!
You remind me of overly sarcastic productions! I love both of your channels. The way you tell myths keeps me interested
Atlas is a titan, you could've said something along the lines of "Atlas holds up your sky/internet protection"
magic nanny lady sounds like a bad movie lol
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Zeus might had less children if he had that protection 😂😂
A tale where Two Stories happened at the same time????😮
"Alex the Pretty Alright"
I see you're a man of culture
love your videos!
I'm just here for the cats.
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Makes me think about how religions would interact in Alternate History Beyond Vinland.
Specifically with an alternate Greenland where Inuit mythology would be adopted by Norse as more Inuit migrate southwards with them and become an influential part of the fishing and whaling industry. Sedna being adopted by Norse whalers hunting off the East Coast. Similarly, Nanook growing in popularity as a war god, again by Norse and Inuit as they migrate southwards and conflict with continental natives who may also be simultaneously suffering from Old World plague caused from Iceland starting intercontinental trade centuries earlier from OTL.
Along with various traditions like Norse men with inuit wives dumping alcohol and treasure into the sea as a sort of Dower to Sedna before sailing south to settle warmer land.
So its a mythological crossover episode
Reminds me of the game of telephone of how divine and celestial beings in the Bible shares a bit of Egyptian and Babylonian imagery.
Just a question when will the Heracles part two come out??? (I know they take a long time to make so, sorry if this comment makes you feel rushed)
great stream.
What about the similarities between Orpheus, Izanagi and another deity from Latin America I currently don't remember ? (The fact that all of them need to get to the underworld to save a person they love but they lose them because they turn around to look at them while coming back)
There’s also a Lithuanian paganism myth that sounds exactly the same as well. The god of Thunder had his wife kidnapped by the god of the dead
3rd comment! Also why is there a flaming baby.
Demeter(the goddess with brown hair and a yellow dress holding grains) exposed that baby to heat to make him immortal to as a thankyou for his family for helping Demeter find her daughter... I am not sure about the Egyptian story though
Thankyou it'll help me in future...
So it’s like a divine version of mrs. Doubtfire?
I just love that you can see the cats in the background
Also don’t forget the fact that the Trojan war technically exists in Egyptian mythology!
There's also the birth of Apollo and Artemis, the death of balder, and the birth of Osiris that are all similar stories. Especially the first two
Me: oh this is such a fun video I love learning! Also me: CAT
Awww I can't see it because of school but I will watch it after
For the add u forgot that atlas is holding the sky up you could've done something like: Like Atlas Atlas VPN protect you from danger yadiyadiya
I also thought that Greek and Egyptian mythologies are linked for instance when typhon was attacking olympus many gods flew to Egypt after transforming into animals .
Btw can you do Indian mythology please.
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@@Engineer_Why ok
That example isn't really syncretism between two cultures. It's just a Greek person thinking, "why do those Egyptians think the gods have animal heads?" and coming up with an explanation.
@@JakeDoubleyoo can you please do Indian mythology?
THE GREEK NANNY MYTH CAME FIRST?? 😳
OK, appreciation for his mug tho
Unrelated to the topic of the video, 5:43 had me laughing at the cat for a good minute so I had to back up and re-listen to what I missed. "Gross" LOL
Ngl pretty envious of that sick AF cat tree you got in the back
I usually hear Demeter pronounced "dem-uh-tur". Is your "de-meat-er" pronunciation more accurate or just how you say it?
We need episode about every crossover
there are so manyy mythologies like chinese,hindu,aztec etc.. any plans on them?
I’m a Number One fan again it’s been long time
The cats in the background
Outro was my favorite part lol
Please let this be about comparative mythology 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
When Buddhism was introduced in Japan, Buddhism and Shintoism start to merge with one another. They thought that Vairocana Buddha, The Light/Illumination Buddha was a Buddhist counterpart of Amaterasu, The Sun Goddess.