@@deltablaze77 What's so weird and trippy to me is the upload date. He said it ALMOST exactly to the day 5 five years before it actually happened. Such an oddly perfectly timed thing to say.
Re-watching this in December 2021 and I'm thinking. Almost exactly five years later and armed insurrectionists did indeed take over the capital building. And Also how was that less than a year ago!!?!?!?
"Which is both a big deal: armed civilians are in control of a federal building and not that big of a deal. Like, it's not like the building in question is the US Capitol" Welp....
"Some people with guns decided to take over the refuge's headquarters. which is both a big deal, like armed civilians are in in control of a federal building and no that big of a deal. Like its not like the building in question is the US capital" Little did john know. Whats really crazy is this video was posted on jan 5th 2016 and the capital building was attacked on January 6, 2021
Am I the only one intrigued by the fact that the wildlife refuge is called Malheur, which is a French word meaning "misfortune"? Seriously, America? Was "Mount Doom National Park" already taken?
I find the name even stranger since the French word malheur does mean what you say but in German is used as a synonym for what would probably be called "mishap" in English. At least if only something rather insignificant is meant when the word "mishap" is used. I have a "oopsie" situation in mind if I hear the word " malheur."
+TheIdahoGamer Which makes no difference at all to the question of "Why would you name a place *Misfortune Wildlife Refuge* (or *Mishap Wildlife Refuge*, as Marie said)?" If anything it makes even less sense if it was named by native French speakers, who would definitely have known the name's meaning.
It's named after the Malheur river, where some french canadians' cache of furs was stolen by native americans. Pretty small, dumb reason to name a river "misfortune", but...
+Vive Memor Leti Since you asked the initial question and have referred to me after that I feek like telling YOU mainly that there is a place called "Spiegel" close to where I live and also two in Germany and one in Poland. "Spiegel" is German for "mirror".
“Which is both a big deal, like armed civilians are in control of a federal building, and not that big of a deal. Like it’s not like the building in question in the US Capitol.” Oh dear lord, he didn’t know yet what was to come on 1/6/2021... 😨
+BC Denton Yeah, there's an oxygen master who lives on the top on Mount Everest and secretly owns all of the oxygen in the world. If he gets angry with us he takes the oxygen away and we all die. :)
Well oxygen is a key part of the water molecule. When Disney discovered that water molecules are shaped like Micky mouse ears they sued water for copyright infringement and received the rights to water. Therefore, Disney owns oxygen
I have read a bit of John Locke about private properties for a philosophy class. I have written an exam, passed the class, but I still don't know if I understand anything. And now this video reminds me how complicated things always are.
+Calicido god, locke is a hard read. I studied him multiple times for my major and im still fuzzy on it (probably because his works are dense and boring...)
Ownership of property is based on your ability to defend it in the best of times, notwithstanding pieces of paper telling people to leave you alone. In the worst of times, defending it requires insane blood sacrifice.
Locke's theory of private property is useful to know, but it's never what governments use. They instead favour rights derived from the feudal Crown where the King not only rules the kingdom but owns the land of the kingdom.
+Rob Porritt On the west coast, we barely add the "e" sound in so the word sounds much closer to "organ" but not quite. "Or-EH-gawn" is more of a New England thing.
Sometimes it is the most important Vlogbrothers videos that bring out the most difficult-to-stomach comment streams. In this case, it's sad that you could do a similar video pretty much every week on the injustice suffered by Native Americans throughout the Americas without ever running out of material. And it's sad that so many of those that might call themselves Nerdfighters don't seem to understand what is Awesome and what is Worldsuck in too many of these cases. Still, thank you, John, for an excellent piece of work.
+David Olson But we do have the best soccer fan base in the US. I mean, how can you compete with the Timber's Army? They were almost louder than the Crew fans when we were in Columbus!!! And we won the MLS cup!!!!!
For in the comment section thinking america is the only country in the world that mistreated their natives, think again. Do some research before you send fire and brimstone, show the world you are educated.
Meow said Da Dog "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That has nothing to do with said Militia illegally seizing federal land. Last I checked... no armed organization can just waltz in & claim land belongs to them.
Meow said Da Dog This would be a wholly different conversation if a 'militia' of Islamist's made these claims. I like how it's being ignored, as if it isn't a huge WTF that should be settled immediately. I guarantee, if it wasn't a group of Caucasian Americans, then the media would descend upon them as wolves. It should be treated just as seriously.
illyounotme I certainly don't entertain the idea of it escalating into an armed engagement with shots fired. Either they want to become martyrs, or they'll think they are winning by stalemating the Government. I just don't want those kind of ignoramuses to get away with that kind of abuse of what they misinterpret their civil liberties to be. Because that only encourages other psychos of the same ilk. They rather tote guns spewing nonsense than... I dunno, actual read the constitution?
ALSO it should be noted that the Burns Piute Tribe (pictured at the end of the video) while similar(?) to Northern Piute, is not the same thing. The Burns Piute are a federally recognized tribe, while the Northern Piute are part of the federally recognized Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs.
And yeah, Salem is the capital. As an Oregonian who was paying attention to this when it was happening so much of the video is wrong. A lot of it is awesome and worth thinking about, but there's a lot more room for understanding the details of the situation. And this kinda one-sided coverage of even our history is eye-twitchingly wrong and more than that, not even wrong, like it's so far disconnected from history it's hard to figure out where to begin.
I'm in Oregon and depressed that those assholes can't just stay in Nevada. The guy leading this militia is clive bundys brother. He was the jackass who refused to pay grazing fees on federal land, and then proceeded to set up a militia to guard "his" land from the federal government he does not acknowledge the existence of.
0:11 "... which is both a big deal - Like, armed civilians are in control of a federal building - and not THAT big of a deal - like, it's not like the building in question is the U.S. Capitol" Oh, John of the past. Just you wait.
Wow way to paint my state and way to paint this situation to demonize the ranchers. Yes, I do realize that Malheur, along with the rest of the United States, was taken from the Indians. But how the world did you find it justifiable to say that it ended in the early 1900s? Did you think just because we are a small, rural community down here in South Eastern Oregon (Which is how most of Eastern Oregon is) that we just stood still in time? I find it incredibly dishonest that you have not addressed a single thing that the Feds have done to the ranchers, nor have you mentioned the treatment of the Hammonds. There is a long list of anger that those of us in Eastern Oregon have. Yet, you glossed over that by not having an honest clue why it is we are so angry. Love also how you say a lot of land is owned by the Feds with a map that shows how the West and their ranchers are screwed. But what did I expect from someone who grew up in Ohio. Please you outsider, don't talk about us like you know better. You haven't a flipping clue what it is like for ranchers, nor do you care. As someone who knew some of the Hammonds and someone who grew up in that area with family who are ranchers, please go actually look into the situation instead of glossing it over so you can at least try to not be bias.
+HelenaeCat See, what I'm seeing is "Wah, the government owns a bunch of land, which sucks for people that basically agreed to use their land." You kind of forgot the part where you justify why you aren't whining that you don't get to profit off another's bounty.
Seems to me that John was trying to address the 'What of the method' rather than the 'What of the motivation' regarding this situation. As in John is asking 'What is the background of this method of protest which the occupiers have chosen' rather than 'What are they protesting about'. It's fine to want the other question explored but just because John focused on a different aspect doesn't make him dishonest. Also, just by and by, he's not from Ohio he's from Florida/Alabama, still not Oregon I suppose.
There was no lie presented here, just the cold truth of American history. Just because the information you wanted addressed wasn't there, and the information presented painted a bad picture of the ranchers (rightfully so) doesn't make any of this information "false"
+seigeengine You do realize this was all started because a federal judge sent two ranchers (The Hammond's that she mentioned) to jail for a crime that they had already served time for and been released. That is a clear violation of the Constitution and the people who are angry about this are completely justified.
John, As an Oregonian I do need to correct one thing in your video, Portland is not the capital of Oregon, Salem is. Common mistake. I have been following this event closely as it hits close to home. I am very torn by the events taking place. Growing up in a small town that has a larger farmer and ranchers population I understand their frustrations and why they decided to take the actions they did. I grew up very conservative, but now living in NYC I find myself left leaning. From what I've read the militia has formed in reaction to the ranchers going to prison for their controlled burns that got out of hand so they were sentence to a required minimum of five years and the militia feels like that is unjust. I honestly don't know where I stand but another video exploring why they are occupying and the back story would be so helpful. P.S. Love all your books, specifically An Abundance of Katherine's
+Samella Reed From what I've read, they burned up land to hide traces of their illegal deer-hunting. If that is indeed true, the punishment makes total sense.
+wiet111 I agree with you on that, if that's what's happened. I also read that the BML office approved their burnings so they knew what was going to happen. The burning were to stop invasive species from coming him. I understand the ranchers because this is their entries livelihood and they know nothing else but it doesn't make this okay. I just hope no one gets hurt.
+Samella Reed Hard to have good info on the situation, but I heard that the Hammonds (the father and son sentence to prison for the arson) never wanted that to happen. The Bundy clan went help them, there was a protest, but then the Bundy and others went take the Federal Building and the Hammonds just said fuck that shit and delivers themselves to the local sheriff to have no affiliation with the militia. But I might have heard wrong infos.
+Samella Reed I've been wondering a lot about this. The articles I've read haven't given me much context for why the ranchers are so angry. They haven't really made their objectives clear during all of this, but obviously there are some long standing tensions between these Ranchers and the Feds. While I agree with what John is saying, he still hasn't provided any more clarification on just what these ranchers take issue with. They feel like they've been wronged by the government, but how? From what I've read it seems that the Hammonds' arrest over the burnings was the catalyst, but the motivations of these ranchers have to be much bigger than that. I mean if we give these guys A LOT of grace, then at the moment this is basically a sit in with the threat of violence. They've said they are prepared for violence, but there hasn't been any yet. On some level this is public protest by citizens, which is an important part of any democracy (on another level, this is people with guns who have taken over a federal building and said that they are ready to kill for it). I just wish I knew more about what they want/how they think they've been wronged.You know, imagine people complexly and all that, even if they have guns.
+Samella Reed There is a lot left out of the media, John needs to also include other important laws that were made that give the backstory to why the fed refused to turn all this land over to the newly enacted states. Congress created in 1920 the Federal Mineral Lease Act that allowed them to become landlords instead of the trustees they were originally form to be, and control the oil and mineral contracts keeping 50% of the royalties for themselves. The "militants" just came out in their press release that essentially requested that the government follow the Constitution and the land be transferred to the County and Indians in joint management. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the US Constitution says that Congress shall have the power…”To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful buildings…”
+Crazy Lace that is the root of this issue the people being protested for for were re-sentenced as domestic terrorists for setting fires on their own land that spread to federally controlled land. after the judge overturned that as cruel and unusual
+Elliott Collins So it only counts as terror if you kill people? The root of the concept lies in making people afraid. Afraid to send their children to school, afraid to disagree with the people causing the fear, afraid that they'll be caught in whatever crossfire there might be. Terrorism is the weaponization of fear. +Anthony Dobbs The judge ruled in favor of the prosecution about the reason for the first fire: the destruction of evidence of an illegal poaching event on federal land. The second fire endangered fire fighters. But that's beside the point. The Hammonds accepted the appeal. The protesters glommed onto the issue as a platform for protesting the federal government's right to manage and own public lands. Militant protest, to be clear. The Hammonds have clearly stated that they don't support this protest in their favor. Hank actually has some interesting things to say about why nobody has died in this yet if you check out his tumblr: edwardspoonhands.com
+jjdogbutte Most of them didn't hold their territory with guns. Occupy Wallstreet was completely different because nobody there was using a tacit threat of violence to keep from being moved. The constitution protects peaceful assembly. This does not qualify. Nice straw man argument, though. You almost made me mad for a half second.
+Crazy Lace I like how you said "most", making some fall within your definition of "terrorist." Occupy Wallstreet was only somewhat different and although peaceful in some cases was outside of "legal" assembly and within criminal trespass. Occupy Oakland in late Jan 2012 was a violent protest resulting in violence and destruction of property. But, again you're not willing to call those incidents terrorist and happily call these law breaking protestor terrorists. A serious double standard and lack of memory on your part.
Exactly! It sucks butt that we all just kinda go along with stealing other peoples land and calling it our own, but it sucks even bigger butts to think that there is a group of people that are willing to harm others in the pursuit of taking something that is not and never was theirs, in a 21st century first-world country.
We came here, conquered land, it and control the land, and defend the land. I believe the United States owns it. Just like any country did in its beginning to gain control of territory.
+Kevin Hiemenz I agree with conquering in some of the situations, but for the most part, especially with the Native Americans, we really did technically steal the land.
+Leah so the definition of stealing is "to take another person's property without permission or legal right without intending to return it" Indians didn't have laws, and who would we get permission from to take the land their ideals of ownership of land didn't exist. They were nomads. This anti-American history to say Americans did bad things Americans didn't do things the right way in history needs to stop. Yes not everything we did was right looking back but we are a people founded by principles and we move on as people. Are we going to keep limiting ourselves to our past and not advancing as a nation. This is the greatest country the world has seen. we are a group of people who do wonderful things innovation and invention and most of that is absent. Back to the topic The definition of conquer is " overcoming and take control of a place or people by use of military force".
+Leah M. We conquered the Indian's territory. What other country would have set up lands where they live and keep their culture? We are the only nation to have a reservation where they don't pay taxes yet live in the United States but police officers can't arrest someone there.
+Imarockstardressedlikeaswiftie unless you are somehow profiting from the showing of this video, there is no way that you could get in trouble for just watching a video on a public video site with other people (even if Hank and John were that kind of people, and they are not)
+Imarockstardressedlikeaswiftie Everything anybody makes ever is copyrighted. You don't have to "have a copyright thingy", every living person does. You have copyright over that comment. I have copyright over this comment. Everything is copyrighted at the moment of creation. What you should be asking is if they will license you the ability to use their copyrighted property for your purposes. In your case, you probably don't need to, because there is an exception in copyright law, material used for educational purposes generally falls into "fair use".
Thank you so much for spreading knowledge. I was starting to wonder where all the smart people were. Those idiots don't understand what a democracy is and my advice to them is to leave if they don't like how USA works, trust me there are millions of people who want to live in America and loves how things work here.
+jkcyriac23 I disagree with the changes the want to see made, but demanding changes in federal policy and priority *is* how America works. If you want the right to protest here, you don't get to tell other protesters to GTFO for "not liking how USA works".
notnormalyet Yeah, you didn't call them out or tell them to emigrate for threatening violence, you did it for not liking how USA works. I don't like how USA works, either; it's the American way.
I saw the update and saw 'Oregon' and flipped, my state finally got attention (and addressed the fact that Portland is the only interesting thing about it)
And to clarify, I'm not watching it BECAUSE rioters actually sieged the Capitol, but because I rewatch random vlogbrothers videos whenever I can't sleep. So yeah.
I had to pause this 30 seconds in bc i'm recently getting back into vlogbrothers after a ~7yr break and so I'm watching a bunch of older videos... "It's not like the building in question is the US Capitol." Flash forward to Jan 2021.......
"At least it's not the U.S capitol" The world has gotten more crazy than you can imagine 5 years ago John. Also its not a seige, if it was a siege it would have been the shortest seige in history, which is why it was not, it was an allowed invasion.
John, you're choosing to misunderstand the point. While I feel what they are doing is wrong, this is not about political maneuvering. This is a response to federal and local police overstepping their bounds to enforce laws that do not apply to the private property owned by people. And to the people who are calling these militiamen "terrorists", this is the exact kind of thing the second amendment was constructed to to allow. Not even the hundreds of years old interpretations about personal gun ownership, but a by the letter organized militia armed to oppose a perceived threat from the government. They are not instilling fear into the common populace to force political change, they are occupying a government building in protest to legal action. In effect, they're no different than black lives matter, except they're too organized for agitators to use it as a cover for crime.
+Dennis X (Steveman) I don't misunderstand the point. The protests are about whether public lands belong to the government and whether the government has the right to regulate the land. (They do, and it does.) The arson that started the protests was a fire started on federal land. The leaders of the protests are from a family that has refused to pay grazing fees on leased federal land for 20 years. This is about nothing but whether the government has the right to own and regulate land. And if it doesn't, then it seems to me that a lot of private property in the U.S. immediately becomes illegitimate. -John
+vlogbrothers I'm not sure about that. My understanding is that the government obtained some of the land (up to 100 ranches?) by unlawful means. Yes, the govt can regulate land it owns; the question is prior to ownership -- were these ranches unlawfully obtained?
***** I know that this is a persuasive work, but changing to a sad tone is taking advantage of people's illogical tendency to prioritize emotions over logic.
Aside from the goof on the Oregon capital this is a BRILLIANT video. I should know, I am a grad student studying American history. The history of Western lands and Native tribes is shameful and almost always ignored when land disputes like this make national news. John, DTFBA not that you need the reminder.
I'm really interested in how you and Hank structure the script of your videos! It doesn't ever matter what you're talking about, I never cease to be amazed by your video's regardless of the content.
@@jedison2441 If that's foreshadowing... Then what was these same fascists doing the same shit to Oregon's capitol building (in Salem, not Portland) only a few wks prior to their planned DC riots?
Supposedly its not about the land of Malheur, its in response to some ranchers doing a control burn on their land to avoid wildfires. This got out of control briefly, but was quickly knocked out. The ranchers are the Hammonds and they were charged with Arson, found guilty and sent to prison for a year for their punishment. They served their time and got out, but a federal judge later saw their case and said they did not serve the minimum time for Arson and demanded they serve 4 more years, even though several years have passed since they got out. The militia believe this to be federal bullying and a violation of Double Jeopardy laws. The Hammonds, however, have chosen to honor the court's decision. So basically they see an ever encroaching government trying to ruin private land owners in order to confiscate their lands, violation of constitutional rights, and outright bullying of ranchers. This is why they are occupying a federal building at this time. It basically follows the principle of, you take stuff from us, we will take stuff from you.
+Sollerite this is also definitely spillover from the Bundy Ranch incident last year. Largely, what we are seeing is an increasing dissatisfaction and polarization of the citizenry and it seems that people are starting to lose faith in the system and have instead decided to use swift, forceful action to get their points across.
+Sollerite I do feel that our democracy just isn't working anymore. Both parties are more focused on countering each other rather than trying to find common ground and solve this nation's problem. In their eyes everyone not part of their party is perceived as a devil and liar while supposedly championing their own cause. Too much surety and not enough questioning attitudes.
+Sollerite Meanwhile, Trump's narcissism and the profiteer-backers are painting a giant bulls-eye on America. He's the puppet they couldn't groom Sarah Palin into.
I wouldn't say he's a puppet, the man already has a vast amount of wealth. The polarizing environment of the current political world is what led us to allowing him to be top of the polls though.
Oregon's capital is Salem. I apologize. I was not paying attention in fifth grade. -John
+vlogbrothers we forgive you John
+vlogbrothers Did any of us? That being said I didn't have fifth grade. Yay for being from New Zealand.
+vlogbrothers I think I need to change my punishment vote in Hank's survey...
Good. You scared me for a second John. But Oregon forgives you.
I was going to call you out, but as you listed two of the greatest things in Oregon... the Timbers, PTFC, and trimet I'll get over it.
"Like it's not like the building in question is the U.S. Capitol."
WE ARE LIVING IN THE WORST TIMELINE!
I know right, it's almost freaky he said this.
John predicted this timeline so many times and ways.
@@deltablaze77 What's so weird and trippy to me is the upload date. He said it ALMOST exactly to the day 5 five years before it actually happened. Such an oddly perfectly timed thing to say.
@@morganherring6958 Wow! I didn't even notice that before, that makes it extra weird.
Re-watching this in December 2021 and I'm thinking. Almost exactly five years later and armed insurrectionists did indeed take over the capital building. And Also how was that less than a year ago!!?!?!?
“It’s not like the building in question is the US Capitol”... this has not aged well
Lol, had the same thought
Literally came back to this video to say the same thing.
This is the comment I am here for
I was all ready thinking this was the reason this video showed on my timeline. Sneaky TH-cam algorithm
Not at all.
"Which is both a big deal: armed civilians are in control of a federal building and not that big of a deal. Like, it's not like the building in question is the US Capitol"
Welp....
Aged like milk
"Some people with guns decided to take over the refuge's headquarters. which is both a big deal, like armed civilians are in in control of a federal building and no that big of a deal. Like its not like the building in question is the US capital" Little did john know. Whats really crazy is this video was posted on jan 5th 2016 and the capital building was attacked on January 6, 2021
5 year and 1 day later the prediction is true.
John really can predict the future.
They weren't even armed bro, calm down.
@@IronWillClipz Well, aside from tazers, baseball bats, bear mace, flash bangs, pitchforks, knives, etc, oh and the bombs that were planted nearby
@@phoenixliv what are you referring to?
Intelligence is knowing that Portland is not the capital of Oregon.
Wisdom is knowing that Portland is indeed the capital of Oregon.
I can't believe that this comment after four years has only 18 likes. I hope this reply gives it a boost
@@OHYS I know your comment is farily old now, and the original comment is even older, but we just managed to double the amount of likes! Yaaaay! :D
@@vladimird03 so it did give it a boost
So that's why they're 2 different stats in dnd
Lol thanks for the boosts over the years, nerdfighters. John's joke at 0:12 hits a bit different here in 2021.
Am I the only one intrigued by the fact that the wildlife refuge is called Malheur, which is a French word meaning "misfortune"? Seriously, America? Was "Mount Doom National Park" already taken?
I find the name even stranger since the French word malheur does mean what you say but in German is used as a synonym for what would probably be called "mishap" in English. At least if only something rather insignificant is meant when the word "mishap" is used. I have a "oopsie" situation in mind if I hear the word " malheur."
Or maybe it used to be a part of French Louisiana.
+TheIdahoGamer Which makes no difference at all to the question of "Why would you name a place *Misfortune Wildlife Refuge* (or *Mishap Wildlife Refuge*, as Marie said)?" If anything it makes even less sense if it was named by native French speakers, who would definitely have known the name's meaning.
It's named after the Malheur river, where some french canadians' cache of furs was stolen by native americans. Pretty small, dumb reason to name a river "misfortune", but...
+Vive Memor Leti Since you asked the initial question and have referred to me after that I feek like telling YOU mainly that there is a place called "Spiegel" close to where I live and also two in Germany and one in Poland. "Spiegel" is German for "mirror".
"It's not like the building in question is the US Capitol" Oh boy John wait till you see what happens five years and one day after this upload
I was going to comment the same thing!
"It's not like it was the US Capitol." Well that intro aged well.
“Which is both a big deal, like armed civilians are in control of a federal building, and not that big of a deal. Like it’s not like the building in question in the US Capitol.” Oh dear lord, he didn’t know yet what was to come on 1/6/2021... 😨
He was so innocent!!
0:16 Hits a little harder now.
I thought this said "Who owns Oxygen?" and was extremely intrigued.
+BC Denton Yeah, there's an oxygen master who lives on the top on Mount Everest and secretly owns all of the oxygen in the world. If he gets angry with us he takes the oxygen away and we all die. :)
That sounds like the title of a Vsauce video
+Nathaniel Nelson Well i'm liking what he's doing with it so far, keeping those o2 levels good n' high
+BC Denton Sounds like a job for VSauce!
Well oxygen is a key part of the water molecule. When Disney discovered that water molecules are shaped like Micky mouse ears they sued water for copyright infringement and received the rights to water. Therefore, Disney owns oxygen
John is blinking in a video! Is this a new 2016 thing?
+Joseph Willingham WAIT WHAT HOLD THE PHONE FRENCH THE LLAMA
+fossilfighters101 I noticed the same thing!
OH GOD
+Joseph Willingham It's an annoying thing.
+John Michaelson Blinking is annoying?
“At least it wasn’t the capitol”
“It’s not like it’s the us capital”
-2016 john green
Hold my beer
-2021
0:16 ...this reads pretty differently now.
"Its not like that building is the us capitol."
Aged like milk.
"armed civilians are in control of a Federal building' *2021 just joined the chat
I have read a bit of John Locke about private properties for a philosophy class. I have written an exam, passed the class, but I still don't know if I understand anything. And now this video reminds me how complicated things always are.
+Calicido Oh god, John Locke's discussion of private property made absolutely no sense to me when I had to read Two Treatises last semester...
+Calicido The sign of a truly honest person "I've studied it and I still don't know."
+Calicido god, locke is a hard read. I studied him multiple times for my major and im still fuzzy on it (probably because his works are dense and boring...)
Ownership of property is based on your ability to defend it in the best of times, notwithstanding pieces of paper telling people to leave you alone. In the worst of times, defending it requires insane blood sacrifice.
Locke's theory of private property is useful to know, but it's never what governments use. They instead favour rights derived from the feudal Crown where the King not only rules the kingdom but owns the land of the kingdom.
"Like its not like the building in question is the US capitol"
Buddy I got a story to tell ya
“It’s not like the building in question is the US Capitol” oof
Negative points for mistaking the capital of Oregon (its Salem btw) and positive points for properly pronouncing Oregon.
+Rob Porritt ...Do people mispronounce it? How? The way John says is the only way I've heard here in Ohio.
The wrong way is to pronounce the last syllable like "gone" (or-e-gawn).
+Rob Porritt Huh. Well, I didn't know that. Danke.
+fossilfighters101 Some people pronounce it as Ore-GONE. It's horrible.
+Rob Porritt On the west coast, we barely add the "e" sound in so the word sounds much closer to "organ" but not quite. "Or-EH-gawn" is more of a New England thing.
"it's not like the building in question is the US capital"
Oh, John
“Not like the building in question is the US capital.” Ironic
In 2021 like “it’s not like it’s the US capitol” oh John. John you have no idea
Sometimes it is the most important Vlogbrothers videos that bring out the most difficult-to-stomach comment streams. In this case, it's sad that you could do a similar video pretty much every week on the injustice suffered by Native Americans throughout the Americas without ever running out of material. And it's sad that so many of those that might call themselves Nerdfighters don't seem to understand what is Awesome and what is Worldsuck in too many of these cases. Still, thank you, John, for an excellent piece of work.
Portland is America's greatest city no doubt. Go Timbers!
+OhHeyItsHonor It's great but I would not go with greatest.
+David Olson But we do have the best soccer fan base in the US. I mean, how can you compete with the Timber's Army? They were almost louder than the Crew fans when we were in Columbus!!! And we won the MLS cup!!!!!
Nathaniel Nelson That I will not argue. Then again I have no other basis for comparison. Either way RCTID!
Yeah. It is
+Levi “When will we want wantons” Quickburger5000 Please someone respond. That was on the wrong comment. I meant to do it on the below comment.
For in the comment section thinking america is the only country in the world that mistreated their natives, think again. Do some research before you send fire and brimstone, show the world you are educated.
+Isaac Fletcher Did I say or imply that? -John
Sorry john I was referring to previous comments. Not your video.
+vlogbrothers nope
+vlogbrothers No. - A Canadian viewer who's used to discussions of his government's bad history of engaging native peoples
+vlogbrothers He said "comments" not John. The comments are full of uneducated twits.
How isn't this being treated as domestic terrorism? And yes John, as an Oregonian myself; I concur that you are indeed a grapefruit.
2nd amendment
Meow said Da Dog
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
That has nothing to do with said Militia illegally seizing federal land. Last I checked... no armed organization can just waltz in & claim land belongs to them.
NINmann01 I noticed, but I'm going to guess that'll be these guy's reason
Meow said Da Dog
This would be a wholly different conversation if a 'militia' of Islamist's made these claims.
I like how it's being ignored, as if it isn't a huge WTF that should be settled immediately.
I guarantee, if it wasn't a group of Caucasian Americans, then the media would descend upon them as wolves. It should be treated just as seriously.
illyounotme
I certainly don't entertain the idea of it escalating into an armed engagement with shots fired.
Either they want to become martyrs, or they'll think they are winning by stalemating the Government.
I just don't want those kind of ignoramuses to get away with that kind of abuse of what they misinterpret their civil liberties to be. Because that only encourages other psychos of the same ilk.
They rather tote guns spewing nonsense than... I dunno, actual read the constitution?
"It's not like the building in question is the US Capitol."
*long sigh*
*just a very long and very exasperated sigh*
*one more for the road*
“It’s not like the building in question is the U.S. capital”
Don’t worry John it’ll happen soon enough
came to the comments to find this
ALSO it should be noted that the Burns Piute Tribe (pictured at the end of the video) while similar(?) to Northern Piute, is not the same thing. The Burns Piute are a federally recognized tribe, while the Northern Piute are part of the federally recognized Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs.
“It’s not like the building in question is the US capitol”
Highlight of my day: John Green saying Portland might be the greatest city in America 💖 (even though we're not the capital 😜)
The annual rose parade was beautiful 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
This comment didn't age well... How's Portland now?
@@IronWillClipz Even more the greatest city in America. :)
@@IronWillClipz wait what happened?
@@michellebailey6216 city doesn't know how to run a city.
"it's not like the building in question is the US capital" John called it 5 years early 😅
0:03
"Southwestern Oregon"
That's SouthEASTern Oregon ;-;
And yeah, Salem is the capital. As an Oregonian who was paying attention to this when it was happening so much of the video is wrong. A lot of it is awesome and worth thinking about, but there's a lot more room for understanding the details of the situation. And this kinda one-sided coverage of even our history is eye-twitchingly wrong and more than that, not even wrong, like it's so far disconnected from history it's hard to figure out where to begin.
Portland isn't Oregon's Capital. Salem is.
+cockroach2 Ouch. I rewatched to make sure he actually said that. And he did. Rest of the information is great though!
He wrote in the comments that he got it wrong. :)
I know, but I corrected him before then. I am so smart! I am so smart! S-M-R-T!
+cockroach2 No, you're wrong. The Internet has spoken.
This whole militia thing in Oregon is pretty stupid.
+Anne Frank who cares
I'm in Oregon and depressed that those assholes can't just stay in Nevada. The guy leading this militia is clive bundys brother. He was the jackass who refused to pay grazing fees on federal land, and then proceeded to set up a militia to guard "his" land from the federal government he does not acknowledge the existence of.
+Anne Frank ugh, atleast change your name wen you see things like this.
+Anne Frank Not really.
+sean Hicks When you only tell part of a story you can twist any situation to suit your beliefs.
That's south-east Oregon John. South-west would be towards the pacific ocean.
+Eric Taysom Adding annotation now. SORRY! -John
***** No worries. :)
0:11 "... which is both a big deal - Like, armed civilians are in control of a federal building - and not THAT big of a deal - like, it's not like the building in question is the U.S. Capitol"
Oh, John of the past. Just you wait.
Wow way to paint my state and way to paint this situation to demonize the ranchers. Yes, I do realize that Malheur, along with the rest of the United States, was taken from the Indians. But how the world did you find it justifiable to say that it ended in the early 1900s? Did you think just because we are a small, rural community down here in South Eastern Oregon (Which is how most of Eastern Oregon is) that we just stood still in time? I find it incredibly dishonest that you have not addressed a single thing that the Feds have done to the ranchers, nor have you mentioned the treatment of the Hammonds. There is a long list of anger that those of us in Eastern Oregon have. Yet, you glossed over that by not having an honest clue why it is we are so angry. Love also how you say a lot of land is owned by the Feds with a map that shows how the West and their ranchers are screwed. But what did I expect from someone who grew up in Ohio. Please you outsider, don't talk about us like you know better. You haven't a flipping clue what it is like for ranchers, nor do you care. As someone who knew some of the Hammonds and someone who grew up in that area with family who are ranchers, please go actually look into the situation instead of glossing it over so you can at least try to not be bias.
+HelenaeCat See, what I'm seeing is "Wah, the government owns a bunch of land, which sucks for people that basically agreed to use their land."
You kind of forgot the part where you justify why you aren't whining that you don't get to profit off another's bounty.
Seems to me that John was trying to address the 'What of the method' rather than the 'What of the motivation' regarding this situation. As in John is asking 'What is the background of this method of protest which the occupiers have chosen' rather than 'What are they protesting about'. It's fine to want the other question explored but just because John focused on a different aspect doesn't make him dishonest. Also, just by and by, he's not from Ohio he's from Florida/Alabama, still not Oregon I suppose.
Man, white people always trying to deflect the issues from other groups back onto themselves. Y'all need a firm talking to.
There was no lie presented here, just the cold truth of American history. Just because the information you wanted addressed wasn't there, and the information presented painted a bad picture of the ranchers (rightfully so) doesn't make any of this information "false"
+seigeengine
You do realize this was all started because a federal judge sent two ranchers (The Hammond's that she mentioned) to jail for a crime that they had already served time for and been released. That is a clear violation of the Constitution and the people who are angry about this are completely justified.
"You think you own whatever land you land on" quote from Pocahontas springs into mind. A great observation.
John, you know Oregon's capital is Salem, right? Not Portland? :)
+Carley Thomas OH CRAP. -John
+vlogbrothers Good job John. lol
+vlogbrothers Portland is Oregon's Central Business District. If I hadn't grown up in Salem I wouldn't have known.
+Carley Thomas Coming from an Oregonian, I wish Portland was the Capital. Would stop the confusion.
Originally it was supposed to be Oregon City and then it was supposed to be Portland.
Thoughts go out to the surviving members of the Paiute tribe. May they battle adversity and strive to keep their history and culture alive.
“Hank, there are many compelling arguments to be had about government infringing on the rights of citizens...but this is not one of them.”
"It's not like the building in question is the US Capitol." If only he knew...
John,
As an Oregonian I do need to correct one thing in your video, Portland is not the capital of Oregon, Salem is. Common mistake.
I have been following this event closely as it hits close to home. I am very torn by the events taking place. Growing up in a small town that has a larger farmer and ranchers population I understand their frustrations and why they decided to take the actions they did. I grew up very conservative, but now living in NYC I find myself left leaning. From what I've read the militia has formed in reaction to the ranchers going to prison for their controlled burns that got out of hand so they were sentence to a required minimum of five years and the militia feels like that is unjust. I honestly don't know where I stand but another video exploring why they are occupying and the back story would be so helpful.
P.S. Love all your books, specifically An Abundance of Katherine's
+Samella Reed From what I've read, they burned up land to hide traces of their illegal deer-hunting. If that is indeed true, the punishment makes total sense.
+wiet111 I agree with you on that, if that's what's happened. I also read that the BML office approved their burnings so they knew what was going to happen. The burning were to stop invasive species from coming him. I understand the ranchers because this is their entries livelihood and they know nothing else but it doesn't make this okay. I just hope no one gets hurt.
+Samella Reed
Hard to have good info on the situation, but I heard that the Hammonds (the father and son sentence to prison for the arson) never wanted that to happen. The Bundy clan went help them, there was a protest, but then the Bundy and others went take the Federal Building and the Hammonds just said fuck that shit and delivers themselves to the local sheriff to have no affiliation with the militia. But I might have heard wrong infos.
+Samella Reed I've been wondering a lot about this. The articles I've read haven't given me much context for why the ranchers are so angry. They haven't really made their objectives clear during all of this, but obviously there are some long standing tensions between these Ranchers and the Feds. While I agree with what John is saying, he still hasn't provided any more clarification on just what these ranchers take issue with. They feel like they've been wronged by the government, but how? From what I've read it seems that the Hammonds' arrest over the burnings was the catalyst, but the motivations of these ranchers have to be much bigger than that.
I mean if we give these guys A LOT of grace, then at the moment this is basically a sit in with the threat of violence. They've said they are prepared for violence, but there hasn't been any yet. On some level this is public protest by citizens, which is an important part of any democracy (on another level, this is people with guns who have taken over a federal building and said that they are ready to kill for it). I just wish I knew more about what they want/how they think they've been wronged.You know, imagine people complexly and all that, even if they have guns.
+Samella Reed There is a lot left out of the media, John needs to also include other important laws that were made that give the backstory to why the fed refused to turn all this land over to the newly enacted states. Congress created in 1920 the Federal Mineral Lease Act that allowed them to become landlords instead of the trustees they were originally form to be, and control the oil and mineral contracts keeping 50% of the royalties for themselves. The "militants" just came out in their press release that essentially requested that the government follow the Constitution and the land be transferred to the County and Indians in joint management. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the US Constitution says that Congress
shall have the power…”To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases
whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by
Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the
Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority
over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in
which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals,
dock-Yards and other needful buildings…”
I'm still astonished that more people aren't calling this domestic terrorism.
+Crazy Lace
that is the root of this issue the people being protested for for were re-sentenced as domestic terrorists for setting fires on their own land that spread to federally controlled land. after the judge overturned that as cruel and unusual
+Crazy Lace That phrase is more commonly reserved for people who kill people.
+Elliott Collins So it only counts as terror if you kill people? The root of the concept lies in making people afraid. Afraid to send their children to school, afraid to disagree with the people causing the fear, afraid that they'll be caught in whatever crossfire there might be. Terrorism is the weaponization of fear.
+Anthony Dobbs The judge ruled in favor of the prosecution about the reason for the first fire: the destruction of evidence of an illegal poaching event on federal land. The second fire endangered fire fighters. But that's beside the point. The Hammonds accepted the appeal. The protesters glommed onto the issue as a platform for protesting the federal government's right to manage and own public lands. Militant protest, to be clear. The Hammonds have clearly stated that they don't support this protest in their favor.
Hank actually has some interesting things to say about why nobody has died in this yet if you check out his tumblr: edwardspoonhands.com
+jjdogbutte Most of them didn't hold their territory with guns. Occupy Wallstreet was completely different because nobody there was using a tacit threat of violence to keep from being moved. The constitution protects peaceful assembly. This does not qualify. Nice straw man argument, though. You almost made me mad for a half second.
+Crazy Lace I like how you said "most", making some fall within your definition of "terrorist." Occupy Wallstreet was only somewhat different and although peaceful in some cases was outside of "legal" assembly and within criminal trespass. Occupy Oakland in late Jan 2012 was a violent protest resulting in violence and destruction of property. But, again you're not willing to call those incidents terrorist and happily call these law breaking protestor terrorists. A serious double standard and lack of memory on your part.
Wow. It's not often I see a white man so passionately rip into the concept of Manifest Destiny. It's refreshing. Thank you, John. Keep being awesome.
Man while I was in schoo,l in the US I was so confused by Manifest Destiny. >.
0:10 well that didnt age well...
god damn, watching the intro to this video in 2021 hits different
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remember, they're called Y'all Qaeda
Amen!
oh no i watched this after the capital got raided and i wonder if 2016 john would even believe the capital could get stormed this soon
"It's not like that building was the US Capitol"
Laughs in 2021
Oh from 2021 this video has some foreshadowing for the american capitol.
“At least it wasn’t the capitol...”
Yeah...
Exactly! It sucks butt that we all just kinda go along with stealing other peoples land and calling it our own, but it sucks even bigger butts to think that there is a group of people that are willing to harm others in the pursuit of taking something that is not and never was theirs, in a 21st century first-world country.
We came here, conquered land, it and control the land, and defend the land. I believe the United States owns it. Just like any country did in its beginning to gain control of territory.
+Kevin Hiemenz I agree with conquering in some of the situations, but for the most part, especially with the Native Americans, we really did technically steal the land.
+Leah so the definition of stealing is "to take another person's property without permission or legal right without intending to return it" Indians didn't have laws, and who would we get permission from to take the land their ideals of ownership of land didn't exist. They were nomads. This anti-American history to say Americans did bad things Americans didn't do things the right way in history needs to stop. Yes not everything we did was right looking back but we are a people founded by principles and we move on as people. Are we going to keep limiting ourselves to our past and not advancing as a nation. This is the greatest country the world has seen. we are a group of people who do wonderful things innovation and invention and most of that is absent. Back to the topic The definition of conquer is " overcoming and take control of a place or people by use of military force".
+Leah M. We conquered the Indian's territory. What other country would have set up lands where they live and keep their culture? We are the only nation to have a reservation where they don't pay taxes yet live in the United States but police officers can't arrest someone there.
+Kevin Hiemenz In the eyes of many historians it was technically stealing. That is all.
I love it when awesome people talk about Oregon
Not a Militia, a group of armed terrorists. Or criminals, I would accept criminals.
“Armed civilians have taken a federally controlled building. But it’s not the capitol, so”
Bad news, John
0:15 well this aged like milk
am I allowed to show this to my History class or do Vlogbrothers have a copyright thingy?
loved the video btw!
You can show videos in your class. It's just like if you were watching it.
Go ahead, they encourage showing videos of theirs in classrooms. Also check out John's Crash Course world/American history series.
+Imarockstardressedlikeaswiftie unless you are somehow profiting from the showing of this video, there is no way that you could get in trouble for just watching a video on a public video site with other people (even if Hank and John were that kind of people, and they are not)
Marcus Kaiser Nice profile pic.
+Imarockstardressedlikeaswiftie Everything anybody makes ever is copyrighted. You don't have to "have a copyright thingy", every living person does. You have copyright over that comment. I have copyright over this comment. Everything is copyrighted at the moment of creation.
What you should be asking is if they will license you the ability to use their copyrighted property for your purposes. In your case, you probably don't need to, because there is an exception in copyright law, material used for educational purposes generally falls into "fair use".
Thank you so much for spreading knowledge. I was starting to wonder where all the smart people were. Those idiots don't understand what a democracy is and my advice to them is to leave if they don't like how USA works, trust me there are millions of people who want to live in America and loves how things work here.
true
+jkcyriac23 The problem with leaving the U.S. is that then you become a victim of it's foreign policy. :/
+jkcyriac23 I disagree with the changes the want to see made, but demanding changes in federal policy and priority *is* how America works. If you want the right to protest here, you don't get to tell other protesters to GTFO for "not liking how USA works".
+Elliott Collins you can if the "protesters" are threatening violence.
notnormalyet Yeah, you didn't call them out or tell them to emigrate for threatening violence, you did it for not liking how USA works. I don't like how USA works, either; it's the American way.
I fear for the comments on this video. Nerdfighters, you're the best. Just a reminder. DFTBA.
That didn't age well 0:12.
0:13 bruhhhhhhhhhhhh
Hi from 2021, and unfortunately, moment 0:19 is no longer true
0:18 *It's always sunny in Philadelphia theme plays*
“It’s not like it’s the US Capital”! 😱😱😱
I saw the update and saw 'Oregon' and flipped, my state finally got attention (and addressed the fact that Portland is the only interesting thing about it)
Rewatching this in 2021... After people actually did siege the U.S. Capitol
And to clarify, I'm not watching it BECAUSE rioters actually sieged the Capitol, but because I rewatch random vlogbrothers videos whenever I can't sleep. So yeah.
John this video is just so unique,
so one of a kind,
so... Oregon-al.
I'll see myself out
+Jess Kidding EVEN YOUR USERNAME IS A PUN. :) -John
OH MY GOD MY PUNS HAVE BEEN RECOGNISED BY THE KINGS THEMSELVES. Oh happy day!! (More on my channel, by the way) :D xx
I had to pause this 30 seconds in bc i'm recently getting back into vlogbrothers after a ~7yr break and so I'm watching a bunch of older videos...
"It's not like the building in question is the US Capitol."
Flash forward to Jan 2021.......
Woah. 20 secs in. Haunting. I was like looking for something else and, yeah, that comment oh so long ago caught me by surprise.
I always get cult and serial killer vibes from Oregon.
Not the capitol building.
Uh oh
At least it’s not the US Capital - RIP
"At least it's not the U.S capitol" The world has gotten more crazy than you can imagine 5 years ago John. Also its not a seige, if it was a siege it would have been the shortest seige in history, which is why it was not, it was an allowed invasion.
"not like its the capital" aged well
“It’s not like the building in question is the US capital” 😂😂😂 no way
John, you're choosing to misunderstand the point. While I feel what they are doing is wrong, this is not about political maneuvering. This is a response to federal and local police overstepping their bounds to enforce laws that do not apply to the private property owned by people.
And to the people who are calling these militiamen "terrorists", this is the exact kind of thing the second amendment was constructed to to allow. Not even the hundreds of years old interpretations about personal gun ownership, but a by the letter organized militia armed to oppose a perceived threat from the government. They are not instilling fear into the common populace to force political change, they are occupying a government building in protest to legal action. In effect, they're no different than black lives matter, except they're too organized for agitators to use it as a cover for crime.
+Dennis X (Steveman) I don't misunderstand the point. The protests are about whether public lands belong to the government and whether the government has the right to regulate the land. (They do, and it does.) The arson that started the protests was a fire started on federal land. The leaders of the protests are from a family that has refused to pay grazing fees on leased federal land for 20 years. This is about nothing but whether the government has the right to own and regulate land.
And if it doesn't, then it seems to me that a lot of private property in the U.S. immediately becomes illegitimate. -John
+Dennis X (Steveman) wrong on so many levels.
***** Why would a lot of private property in the U.S. become illegitimate?
+vlogbrothers I'm not sure about that. My understanding is that the government obtained some of the land (up to 100 ranches?) by unlawful means. Yes, the govt can regulate land it owns; the question is prior to ownership -- were these ranches unlawfully obtained?
***** I know that this is a persuasive work, but changing to a sad tone is taking advantage of people's illogical tendency to prioritize emotions over logic.
0:18 "it's not like the us capitol", this aged well
“Like it’s not like the building in question is the US capitol” was such a timely joke right now, I thought this video was from 2021
...so the federal government agreed to let the Paiute tribe own the land - and then immediately turned around and conquered them. ... ...UHMERIKUH!
Aside from the goof on the Oregon capital this is a BRILLIANT video. I should know, I am a grad student studying American history. The history of Western lands and Native tribes is shameful and almost always ignored when land disputes like this make national news. John, DTFBA not that you need the reminder.
Watching this in 2021 is just a bit eerie.
2021 : 0:19 didn’t age well
The capitol... Oof.
“it’s not like the building is the nations capital” >.> ....... foreshadowing??
0:15 laughs in 2020(1)
(2021)
Oh America. Can you never be simple?
+Drew Barnes Whats this 'simple' you speak of?
+ItzNetherSlime even I don't know
+Drew Barnes lol no country on the face of the earth is "simple"
+4th Dimensional Bubble Yeah but America quite excels in being 'non-simple'.
You know, you would think that I would love seeing John talking about my state in his video, but not about this. NOT THIS.
And by this, I mean this debacle of a spectacle.
Armed civilians in the US Capital.. Thank God that never happened..
I'm really interested in how you and Hank structure the script of your videos! It doesn't ever matter what you're talking about, I never cease to be amazed by your video's regardless of the content.
"It's not like the building is the US Capitol".... Fast forward to exactly 5 years and 1 day... -.-
Foreshadowing, :P
@@jedison2441 If that's foreshadowing... Then what was these same fascists doing the same shit to Oregon's capitol building (in Salem, not Portland) only a few wks prior to their planned DC riots?
@@jedison2441 indeed...
@@SylviaRustyFae practicing?
@@johnyludvigsson Or a diff kind of fore- :p
does John need a punishment or does this not count?
+Zach Crennen Educational/informational videos are exempt!! :) -John
I think it qualifies as educational.
+vlogbrothers Do you still have the time limit?
Educational videos can go over the limit!
+Zach Crennen this one does not count :)
0:20 oh you sweet summer child
All of these dress rehearsals keep getting played down. I wonder what's next 🤔
When he said the thing about the US capital.....
Portland is the greatest city ❤
Supposedly its not about the land of Malheur, its in response to some ranchers doing a control burn on their land to avoid wildfires. This got out of control briefly, but was quickly knocked out. The ranchers are the Hammonds and they were charged with Arson, found guilty and sent to prison for a year for their punishment. They served their time and got out, but a federal judge later saw their case and said they did not serve the minimum time for Arson and demanded they serve 4 more years, even though several years have passed since they got out. The militia believe this to be federal bullying and a violation of Double Jeopardy laws. The Hammonds, however, have chosen to honor the court's decision.
So basically they see an ever encroaching government trying to ruin private land owners in order to confiscate their lands, violation of constitutional rights, and outright bullying of ranchers. This is why they are occupying a federal building at this time. It basically follows the principle of, you take stuff from us, we will take stuff from you.
+Sollerite Regardless of who is in the right, I would like this situation to defuse peacefully and that no one gets hurt.
+Sollerite this is also definitely spillover from the Bundy Ranch incident last year. Largely, what we are seeing is an increasing dissatisfaction and polarization of the citizenry and it seems that people are starting to lose faith in the system and have instead decided to use swift, forceful action to get their points across.
+Sollerite I do feel that our democracy just isn't working anymore. Both parties are more focused on countering each other rather than trying to find common ground and solve this nation's problem. In their eyes everyone not part of their party is perceived as a devil and liar while supposedly championing their own cause. Too much surety and not enough questioning attitudes.
+Sollerite Meanwhile, Trump's narcissism and the profiteer-backers are painting a giant bulls-eye on America. He's the puppet they couldn't groom Sarah Palin into.
I wouldn't say he's a puppet, the man already has a vast amount of wealth. The polarizing environment of the current political world is what led us to allowing him to be top of the polls though.