@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda I did go to a catholic school actually ha ha. Wasn’t too bad, just the one dogmatic teacher who outright told us what to believe.
In Germany, a technical education leading to apprenticeships and a trade is valued as highly as a university education. What has happened in the UK thanks to nulabour, is that students leave uni with a massive debt hanging round their necks, and not enough 'suitable' jobs to go to. This led to mass importation of workers from other EU countries to do the jobs the Brits are not trained to do
I wont employ anyone with a degree, I value apprentices and wont even let degree savings entitled students in for interview. Those with real world experience are far more productive and commercially aware. Universities educate common sense and decency out of people with out of date rubbish courses
No, as a Joiner with 35 year under my belt , I still get Yuppie types that think they know better than me on how to fit a kitchen and that we are all dummies.
A reason why there are so few women in programming may be the same as why there are so few men in veterinary nursing, or hairdressing, or beauty and makeup, is that most of them do not want to do it.
A scheme by Labour to get the youth unemployment figures down. Having worked in Engineering for almost 50 years without a degree, by the time I retired I wouldn't even have got an interview for my own job. Curiously I was training Graduates who knew everything but could do nothing. Our apprentices were having to show them even simple things. Most of the Graduates moved quickly into management roles and the better apprentices moved up into the 'Engineer' level jobs with HNDs got with day release at college.
They could be if the meaning of an apprenticeship hadn't been watered down by ridiculous government plans. For example "apprenticeships" in McDonalds, retail, security guarding. These were introduced because lobbying industries can get away with paying someone an apprentice wage to someone who is essentially a trainee and can be trained within weeks. Compare that to a time served joinery or electrical installation apprenticeship.
A lot of companies would prefer to employ young people with apprenticeship. They often have a different attitude not pretending to know it all Just because they have a degree. My son did an apprenticeship first and then went to college and university.
I've been told by literally every careers advisor I ever met that most employers nowadays, value people with experience of working in a similar field such as having an apprenticeship over those having a degree.
A University degree in 2021 is, in most cases, utterly meaningless. First of all education has been so dumbed down that the graduates are considerably less educated than an A level student in the 1970s, and secondly what does a degree in media studies really offer someone? (There are many examples of useless degrees).
Who needs apprenticeships or university degrees, when there isn’t any jobs and if there is there is 100s of people applying for them. The job centre will be the biggest employer for sure
My advice is If you go to uni learn a skill....I did Architectural Technonology and let me tell you the employer didnt even look at the fact I got a first class. All they want to see is that you can use the software and do the work! However the degree got ke through the door but that's it
We count the income of the people with degrees and weigh them with the incomes of people who started with apprenticeships and then you have your answer. So the answer is there is no answer.
All university people .need a roof .it's best to have a professional ,in experience and technical ,to do the trade .To know when the university tought architect ,has dropped a kipper .Through lack of practical.happens a lot .???
I’m sick of this snobbery that “you won’t achieve anything if you don’t go to uni”. This is pretty much what was forced down our throats at school.
I can tell you didn't go to a Catholic School. They have more than just that forced down their throats.
So what did you do?
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda I did go to a catholic school actually ha ha. Wasn’t too bad, just the one dogmatic teacher who outright told us what to believe.
@@aidanlynn Doing a degree has never benefitted me. I will make sure my student loan is paid by the tax payer. Convert them back to polytechnics
Too many people got to university studying useless degrees, apprenticeships is the way forward for this country to plug the skills gaps we have.
Boris Johnson has a degree in Hreek Mythology.
He gets a bye from the folks who normally mock the younger folks who study at uni.
In Germany, a technical education leading to apprenticeships and a trade is valued as highly as a university education. What has happened in the UK thanks to nulabour, is that students leave uni with a massive debt hanging round their necks, and not enough 'suitable' jobs to go to. This led to mass importation of workers from other EU countries to do the jobs the Brits are not trained to do
@@chris-mg5ui comprehensive schools was the start of this. Typical Labour cock up.
@@chris-mg5ui Or the technical jobs were removed in the 1980s. Unlike the case in Germany.
I wont employ anyone with a degree, I value apprentices and wont even let degree savings entitled students in for interview. Those with real world experience are far more productive and commercially aware. Universities educate common sense and decency out of people with out of date rubbish courses
Like Greek Classics?
No, as a Joiner with 35 year under my belt , I still get Yuppie types that think they know better than me on how to fit a kitchen and that we are all dummies.
Ask the "Gender Study" uni grads if their degree is worth the paper it is printed on....
Oh those buggers will tell you it is, its everybody else's that isn't
A reason why there are so few women in programming may be the same as why there are so few men in veterinary nursing, or hairdressing, or beauty and makeup, is that most of them do not want to do it.
They should be seen as better.
Has anyone seen the state of Universities?
A scheme by Labour to get the youth unemployment figures down.
Having worked in Engineering for almost 50 years without a degree, by the time I retired I wouldn't even have got an interview for my own job. Curiously I was training Graduates who knew everything but could do nothing. Our apprentices were having to show them even simple things. Most of the Graduates moved quickly into management roles and the better apprentices moved up into the 'Engineer' level jobs with HNDs got with day release at college.
The previous Tory Government created YTS so that the youth unemployment figures were reduced. This allowed proper apprenticeships to be diluted.
They could be if the meaning of an apprenticeship hadn't been watered down by ridiculous government plans. For example "apprenticeships" in McDonalds, retail, security guarding. These were introduced because lobbying industries can get away with paying someone an apprentice wage to someone who is essentially a trainee and can be trained within weeks.
Compare that to a time served joinery or electrical installation apprenticeship.
Absolutely bang on the money.
A lot of companies would prefer to employ young people with apprenticeship. They often have a different attitude not pretending to know it all
Just because they have a degree. My son did an apprenticeship first and then went to college and university.
Apprenticeships have always been better
I've been told by literally every careers advisor I ever met that most employers nowadays, value people with experience of working in a similar field such as having an apprenticeship over those having a degree.
I'm an employer and I take the apprenticeship kids over the university ones any and every day of the week.
A University degree in 2021 is, in most cases, utterly meaningless. First of all education has been so dumbed down that the graduates are considerably less educated than an A level student in the 1970s, and secondly what does a degree in media studies really offer someone? (There are many examples of useless degrees).
Greek Classics?
In many cases an apprenticeships is not what it was you can get an apprenticeship for Mc Donald's
as soon as the people currently in university become employers.
Who needs apprenticeships or university degrees, when there isn’t any jobs and if there is there is 100s of people applying for them. The job centre will be the biggest employer for sure
Greatly appreciate your debates about Degrees v Apprenticeships but why all that Government properganda flashing at the bottom of the screen
My advice is If you go to uni learn a skill....I did Architectural Technonology and let me tell you the employer didnt even look at the fact I got a first class. All they want to see is that you can use the software and do the work! However the degree got ke through the door but that's it
Will we ever go back to work after Convid is the question?
We count the income of the people with degrees and weigh them with the incomes of people who started with apprenticeships and then you have your answer.
So the answer is there is no answer.
All university people .need a roof .it's best to have a professional ,in experience and technical ,to do the trade .To know when the university tought architect ,has dropped a kipper .Through lack of practical.happens a lot .???
They should. Infact they are more knowledge and skill capable
I have known a few millionaires in. My lifetime and not one of the had a degree.
Yeh met a few when you are on the game I bet.
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda oh school out early. Just people that worked hard.
They were 40 years ago.
What happened?