Avengers and The Future of FGO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- Cool Avenger Facts: Shout out to people who actively spoil things then feign ignorance. Gotta be my least favorite gender.
Disclaimer: I don't have all of the accurate details of what happened in Id, but the main point of the video remains relevant. Given how many different takes I have seen in the community about what happened leads me to believe that the translations people are reading are also kind of weird. So, if the information presented isn't accurate, I apologize.
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If the Avengers do come back in like the final battle, there's a very obvious "Avengers Assemble!" Joke right there and I'm ALL for it.
Given that the avengers who’ve left have gone to Antarctica, likely for the final battle, I’d be shocked if they didn’t do that
Jalter: "On your left, Master!"
I have a feeling that fgo in its tenth anniversary is going to take a page out of honkai impacts book and just full on overhaul the game, while keeping what made the game "itself" at its core
god I hope so
Have a style like Honkai star rail would work nicely since they are both turn based games
@@belphy205nah nah we do FGO Arcade style, add some skill based gameplay into it fr.
High cope
That's a high dose of copium and hopium. But goddamn if I don't wish for the same.
I just realized that Angra's whole deal could be a reference to Hollow Ataraxia, in which his existence is like a dream. He exists, you know that he exists, yet you cannot remember him after meeting him, like forgetting a dream soon after waking up.
like shiki void?
Are you expecting a little thing like this to ever have a hope of stopping Ranmaru X? The most Ranmaru of the Ranmarus from Ranmaru?
10:17 yes and no. We DO have a fourth trial, the foreigner trial. Goetia just simply said "don't go there yet, go do these 3 first"
So yeah
We could say goodbye to Abby too (I would cry, foreigners are my favourite class)
We don't even know if it's a foreigner trial for all we know it could be something similar to traum or imaginary scramble event
@@anotheronebitesthedust-fs6wrEvery time they say '3 trials' they say '4... No, three will suffice', which means 4 are prepared but 3 are the only mandatory ones.
Furthermore, the Ordeal Call trailer shows the Foreigner card in 1-frame flashes a couple of times, so the Foreigner OC is surely happening.
@@saxor96 or it could be another event I'm very much a person who waits and sees what will happen instead of relying on a theory I'm not saying it's impossible but as I said just wait and see atleast we can agree it's a foreigner or extra class related event
@@anotheronebitesthedust-fs6wr I mean, the CCC collab was part of Epic of Remnant, but it's also an event.
The Foreigner Ordeal can be an event, but it will still be an Ordeal Call that will surely happen.
Imagine that OC4 gives us a playable ORT.
"Pretender in a bikini." Was my Sr ticket. I look forward to it.
Explaining GudaGuda and Serventverse servants is also probably a Fool's errand let alone a servent who is both GudaGuda and Serventverse.
As someone who as all the Avenger servants to date in NA, you can bet I was royally upset they toasted my favorite class.
I also subscribe to the "we will meet again in the final battle" idea, at least to soothe my fanfic-making heart. Wait and Hope indeed.
Me with Jalter as currently my only gold foud Servant, np3, and almost halfway to 120... and Dantes as another favorite.
Yup. Wait and hope while our banished Avengers are planning their glorious "On your left" comeback moment.
well Avengers endgame is pretty popular and unlike everybody else who's ripping off Fate began as a multiverse, so I do imagine we fight the real big bad at the end replacer Beast 7 cause main Olga not only perished as a beast and Camatoz replaced Beast 1 but do to ORT hacking the grail and becoming Grand Foreigner the whole Heroic spirit Fate system is compromised essentially.
Fun fact, Angra does actually make an appearance in Ordeal Call 2. I won't spoil the particulars but it's a nice little callback.
Spoil me on why does Angra appear in the ordeal call 2 (I don't mind being spoiled)
@@yatogami9082 Oh so during the final battle against Cagliostro, he pops in to give an attack buff to the party.
It's got no story significance but it's kinda neat to see him during the Cagliostro pile on
@@WeedDigimon oh I thought he's gonna have a bit more story significance after God knows how long, but oh well
@@yatogami9082 It depends how you see it. Honestly, the fact he showed up at all and even stuck around in Chaldea after the Ordeal Call is enough for me. Also character wise it's kinda interesting, considering how he almost never goes out of his way to help anyone out.
I just think it's neat
"I would cause some major world fuckery to cause them to band together and coperate" Me: Don't not doubt my Jason and his effectivness against chaotic servants.
Now that we have got Mahoyo Trio with the FGO collab, the next milestone for FGO is to make U-OlgaMarie playable 5 star Beast!
Or the only 6 star if we are lucky
I really don't get this sentiment. Does everything in this game have to be added to the gacha so that 70% of players can't have it? Can't there be some things that don't get to appear or be mentioned like some point in the past?
One of the reasons why Maria alter is still with us, is because her spirit origin was restored by dante before leaving, and before leaving, she stuck around in request of dante
The Ranmaru section is the peak of Type-Moon discussions, Ranmaru out of 10.
Finally someone using rationality instead of doomposting about this subject. Thanks for the video, Kilidge.
I can't envision any other classes opting to dip wholesale. (For a given value of wholesale.)
Like, it might be theoretically possibly to convince the Ruler class that opposing Chaldea is in humanity's best interests, but you'd have a split decision there. Excluding class changes... QSH is literally the Lostbelt King, who walked the bleached earth to watch us. Himiko came to join us, not Chaldea, and Iyo followed her.
Moon Cancers means BB, who is there for us/to see us suffer, Kiara, who is there for us/to make us suffer, Jinako, who just want to be left to her games, and... Okay, Arcueid's dubiously canon, and could possibly dip.
The Alter Egos didn't bail after Papermoon, and they're collectively a ball of self-interest, there to watch us suffer, or both, with one or two outliers.
Pretenders... Somewhere between self-interest, and observing us.
Foreigners stared down the madness, and are mostly there for us, not humanity as a whole.
And Draco has declared that we are her's.
Gorgon in a bikini would be sweet 😙
Also the only way im going fgo 2 sould be if i could transfer my dervants to the new game, if not... WE RIOT!!!
I think i figured out the in universe reason that Angra Mainyu didn't leave Chaldea. The Mainyu we summon is not the real Angra Mainyu but a peasant who was chosen to be the scapegoat of All the World's Evil. He is an Avenger not because he seeks vengeance on the world or humanity but because Humanity used him to take the place of All the World's Evil. Really with that backstory you would think he would fit more in the pretender class. His actual name was even stricken from the Avesta so he wouldn't be called his human name
Eh. We very specifically became a wraith as an early example of Heaven's Feel, his soul becoming an eternally angry lingering spirit which hates humans, but finds purpose in hatong humans.
If anything, Avenger Angra being specifically in Shirou's body, who is the complete opposite of angra and the worst vessel by his own claim, is more likely to be a reason. Angra has literally given up on revenge to save Bazett, and got erased for it.
Dude I just got Gorgon to show up wdym she's gone? /jk
From what I know about Angra the idea that he's the least concerned about being actively vengeful seems arguably fitting. The one we summon was "just a guy" who was unlucky enough to be chosen as a scapegoat and given the role of Angra Mainyu, and subsequently tormented by everyone for the rest of his life. The idea that his main concern is just doing whatever he feels like fits pretty well for the second life of someone who went through that for their first, like the saying "Living well is the best revenge".
Getting to live a relatively comfortable life doing mostly whatever he feels like is probably the best life he can live as a servant with the in-built avenger baggage, and it probably would have the people of the village who abused him up in arms if they were around to see it. Given he was supposedly a relatively normal person before being declared the root of all evil, getting to live [an approximation of] the life that was robbed of him might even be one of his wishes.
Foreigners leaving like the Avengers makes sense. But so does the Alter Ego class. Everyone was calling them evil in the Mooncell event when we use their help to defeat Beast Kiara. I can also see the Mooncancer class doing the same to a lesser extent.
Angra does himself show up in the Fate/Zero event, he even molests Mashu which is absolutely proof that he was able to interact with Chaldea (and we of course kick his ass afterwards), another thing to note is that he mentions having a command spell collar on him, forcing him to do our bidding whether he wants to or not, which is pretty weird considering we're normally so much about having servants follow us of their own free will, though he does say "I would kill you and have my way with you, maybe even in that order." so it's probably a good idea to keep that on him,
in his interlude we also don't recognize him and question whether we even had a servant like him, he also seems tied to Singularity F which has been teased as a future plot point multiple times by now, copies of Angra keep spawning there and Angra himself says "They're not out to do right for the world. They don't want to change the world. Ally they have is a grudge that is burned into their very being...an instinct that compels them to kill humans." implying he himself does want to change the world, that possibly means he's hoping to be able to corrupt or intervene when we restore proper human history, but that's just a theory of mine
in general he says some pretty interesting stuff in his interlude, too much to unpack it all in a single youtube comment that's probably going to get buried anyways but one more interesting thing he says:
"Those born from hatred speak of love... /and they would show compassion after experiencing cruelty...
Those born from love speak of hatred. /Those who experienced happiness meet their end through betrayal.
Avengers are usually one of those two. It's just the difference of whether they scorn love, or if they burn with a pure hatred.
But what both of them have in common is that they have an attachment to human. Ever hear that the opposite of love is indifference?
The moment it clings to humans, it loses all chance at becoming something more than human."
implying there's 2 fundamentally different types of Avengers but to us they must seem the same because of the nature of our mission, i think what happened in OC2 is that the Avengers that "scorn love" have left us and the Avengers "born from hatred" still remain at our side, or maybe it's the other way around, Angra is also an exception to this which he himself recognizes, claiming that other Avengers have different methods of avenging from him, or maybe he's simply the opposite type of Avenger as only a handful were out when his interlude released
I originally just saw it as- "angra is the original avenger, he decides if his class goals align with chaldea or no"
But then i remembered who angra is as a person and laziness to answer the call seems more likely
I dont think thats the reason why the avengers left chaldea, i get theres alot of bad translations, also yea the abigail thing is correct, i dont think we'll get any other avengers till after the final battle.
Also another mild spoiler
-NONE of the extra class can be there at the final battle- The more accurate quote is "Only seven seats may battle to save the human order--- that is how it has been since the beginning, but perhaps there might be a single exception"
Spoiler
Its mostly that, avengers are too violent, if we brought them to the final battle its equavalent to burning down the hospital to get one person, so unless were willing to destroy the world to kill the alien god, we cannot use the avengers
Last major spoiler
-Jalter is gone, shes not a real heroic spirit like the other avenger, shes the wet dream of gilles that chaldeas recorded down and summoned. She has no place in the throne of heroes and when she got recalled, shes gone- Sorry I dont even know where this part about jalter even came from. I read through the ending part of OC2 again and saw no part of that even mentioned this.
I appreciate the clarification. I’ve seen so many different reasons as to the “why” so I kind of just hit the “we ball” button
@@klidge yea there was alot of misinformation when the chapter first came out..... its really infuriating to see people spread misinformation when it happen
I'm like 80% sure I'm correct cause i read the whole chapter with google translate and read every single discussion about what was right and what was bullshit
That honestly makes more sense than the explanation of "they left cause the goal doesn't align anymore". Cause by that logic Avengers never should have been summonable since the goals never aligned in the first place.
are there explanations like these for other classes? i mostly interested why rulers are not allowed, as there is nothing really wrong with them at a first glance
@@yellowdeceiver4818 I really doubt that Jalter is permanently gone.
First off, why is she Link Lost and not Data Lost? They put her in the same category as the other Avengers, even on the spirit origin list.
Second, there was literally multiple events about establishing fake Heroic Spirits as real ones, including second Christmas, which was about SPECIFICALLY Jalter becoming a strong enough existence for the throne.
Finally, how could Jalter be summoned to Chaldea or anywhere else if she wasn't a Heroic spirit? We didn't grab her out of orleans, so by that logic, we should have never seen her after orleans. And the THRONE SUMMONED her to SHINJUKU, not us.
I'm sorry if I come off as rude, I'm just trying to rationalize this and not immediately say 'Jalter is definitely gone'.
Ranmari HYPE! Eternal Loyalty~. So valuable~( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I didn't know she was THIS unique woth her manifestation.
I am still convinced Marie Alter is just pulling a tsundere act🤩
wasnt angra shown in the ereshmas event?i thought that was him being finnaly being releaved in the story if you can call random events story
He has actually shown up in a few events, although always in a small and often subtle capacity.
All these sacrifices we keep making to restore proper human history, and I bet that even if we do manage it we will still be rejected as an existence incompatible with it. And we’ll end up going off somewhere else where the story can continue and all of our friends can come back
"spoilers for Ordeal Call 2"
finally I can know what goes on in Ordeal Call
3:00 No one but me, I guess.
That's right. I like Requiem Collab, and the people who hate the board game mechanic are just weak IMO cuz it wasn't that bad.
(Edit/Side Note: Don't need to be too serious about my comment. I just said my opinion and nothing more.)
Eh, the board game mechanic only needed a few tweaks here and there and it would have been fine. A redundancy to make sure the player wasn't left constantly falling into empty spaces late into it definitely should have been prioritized.
The real problem with the Requiem collab was how braindead that Werewolf game was. Ran far too long for a completely obvious "mystery" plot point that then decided to arbitrarily break it's own rules.
Besides that, the rest of the plot was good and the climax of the event was outright fantastic.
I would say that your comments on Angra Mainyu seem to be on line with how he behaved in Hollow Ataraxia.
Spoiler:
In that game he chose to go back to wherever he came from, freeing everyone from the time loop because after living in Fuyuki from Shirou's perspective he derised to live new experiences more than to take revenge, i see this as something similar to one of the comments made by kid Gil on that same game, i think that it Shirou who questioned him about why did his adult self hated humans so much yet his younger version seem to really love humanity, to wich he answered that his older self still loves humanity but his hatred of certain aspects of them has a bigger wheight.
Im not ready for my Gorgon to go away... I love her...
I would be more destroyed if we will have to fight our Avenger friends when we see em again.
Also, there's the fact that Jalter had a back tattoo after her animation update until the devs patched that out a week after. What these markings on her back could mean, we don't know, but I feel it's plot-important (prolly connected to us re-establishing our link with her and the other Avengers) and not just some extraneous detail they decided to remove.
Honestly, I could see us reestablishing our link with Jalter and having her summoned in a Ruler form, hence the back tattoo and it being removed.
But at the same time it could have been there bcus they copied Jalter’s new sprite from Jeanne’s and forgot to remove the back tattoo initially
@@umbralumbreon7380 While it can possibly be a genuine error on the devs' part, what makes me feel the tattoo is plot-relevant is that it's a different design from Jeanne's (Jalter's seals resemble a horned dragon, while Jeanne's resemble six angelic wings). If it is indeed plot-important, then it would make sense for the devs to patch it out for now because it's a spoiler detail.
Though in hindsight, if Jalter's back seals are going to be canon part of her design, then it would make ALL of her figurines (the ones that show her bare back, at least) inaccurate.
@@neves783001Less inaccurate so much as outdated. Her back was certainly not tattoo'd up until this point. It may be that she newly obtains said tattoo by the time that we reestablish connection to her.
@@nevisysbryd7450 this is what's giving me hopium
I'm formulating a headcannon where Jalter is hiding out in Osakaabehime's room in Csejte Pyramid Himeji Castle because of its amenities for her hobby and likelyhood Osakabehime is going to cooperate when her collection is under threat of burning in hellfire.
1Big Snek gone 😢
Blud what?
@@President-of-Funny Gorgan
Salieri 😢...
I MISS MY KOMAEDA SNIFF
I wish they will scrap the video form NP and changing it to be like normal attack with extra effect to make it faster like reverse 1999
my guess: maybe for the tenth anniversary, maybe later, but I see us fighting all avengers that left to bring them back. basically proving ourselves worthy to have the avengers as your allies again. to help us fight whatever comes after U Olga. or, my other theory: the avengers are the next thing after U Olga. Like we had the crypters, go into each LB and fight them. the avengers form a group to stop us from our future goal (what ever that will be exactly)
Sorry but that is wrong. Avengers are just a misunderstood class, according to Dantes they wield the flame of vengeance that exists in order to exercise justice, they don't have to be evil and that's why most of them stopped being like that as they grew their bonds with the mc. The purpose of the OC 2 was to accomplish two things, one was to remove the Demon Pillar that was being cultivated in the depths of the mc psyche ever since the events of the Human Order (the Demon Pillars that were killed left vestiges in Guda's soul which combined and were slowly growing), second thing was to stop that from happening again (Guda was being fueled by the avengers flames which was slowly changing him, and all that accelerating the growth of the Demon Pillar), if they stay in Chaldea it'll happen again so they dipped. But they don't intend to let their story end by disappearing for good so they severed their contract instead and they are going to Antarctica ahead of Chaldea, they could even die there but I doubt that would happen because then there's no reunion and the story gets sad again.
The avengers BETTER come back. 😢😢Dantes my guy......I'm shocked he'd leave us.
I think maybe rulers need to leave since the servants are supposed to hold the rules but they do not anymore.
From what I can tell, they seem to be waiting for us.
1:43 Clearly this is a plot hole as mah boy salieri has the object of his revenge only while he is in chaldea.
Checkmate nasu.
Even though... Being smarter than the "people die when they are killed" guy doesnt feel rewarding
MY AVENGER MEDEA COPIUM WILL NEVER DIE!
Apple Manju probably stayed because he's not a real Avenger. He's a Beast Candidate who was not supposed to be able to be summoned as a servant. There's a reason why he's supremely powerful and able to corrupt the Holy Grail while also being the weakest servant, or why Kojiro is an unparalleled master of the sword but such a weak Assassin. He doesn't belong to his class.
I didn't get to try Eris event on NA and that makes me sad.
I sorta hope the final Ordeal Call gives us OLGA
Id honestly love to see Guda be thrown into a normal grail war, if we could get a mode where we can fight each other, they could make different tiers so f2p's dont get absolutely wrecked by Whales tho I dont really feel like that would be an issue with how FGO works
I believe its possible during one of the Ordeal Calls (or maybe even the end of the Part 3 series), the our goals would have re-alligned with the avengers, and they re-create the contract
Hmm, I thought Angra was mentioned by bame in the recent summer event? Or I'm I misremembering
Realistically I do not see Sony letting FGO end only a few years after acquiring the rights to it. They’ll keep it going for as long as the money is rolling in.
11:48 I heard what you did there.
It would be really funny if Jalter show up later, but the one that shows up is Lancer form. She just stop being tsundere and that's why she's here
But Lancer Jalter is properly-Altered OG Jeanne according to Samurai Remnant lore.
FGO Jalter is a magical clone of OG Jeanne.
the goal of avenger is to uncover, reveal, and correct injustices, and there is currently one injustice left on the bleach earth, that being Chaldea so they all basically went ahead, and dantes said they would all see each other again for the showdown.
So, since you’re talking spoilers, I’ll ask; when you say “We were given a choice” do you mean a case of “There’s a single dialog choice, but you have to select it yourself” type of case?
Also, I’m assuming the Avengers leaving is more just like Musashi “Dying”, in the sense of “you can still summon them in the gacha and use them, but story wise they ain’t technically there no more?
Yup, in-universe, what we have left are their Shadow Servant versions, which are basically less powerful and soulless copies of the LINK LOST Avengers geared for one thing only: combat.
In gameplay, though, they're still with us, so if you have an unga-bunga super-powerful Jalter, you can deploy her with her enhancements intact.
@@neves783001 correct me if im wrong but in-universe musashi is like never existed her data is not in the suitcase that ritsuka uses to summon shadow servants.
@@muhammetemiraydin1459 Musashi's case is different, as she's DATA LOST unlike the Avengers' LINK LOST status.
So, regarding Musashi, she's the equivalent of a "file not found" computer error: she no longer exists in the Throne, and can no longer be summoned. In-universe, we no longer have Musashi in Chaldea. Not even a Shadow Servant copy.
Of course, players (especially whales) WILL be angry if Musashi is completely made unplayable, so in gameplay, we can still use Musashi. She's basically "just there" as a playable unit, but we're supposed to pretend that she doesn't exist for story reasons.
@@neves783001 yeah the parent comment is what confused me thanks
Wait
So
Im confused
Why does Marie hate us?
From her voicelines and descriptions it felt like she was ok with us
So the ones that left, are they gone in a similar way to Musashi? As in can we still use them in combat ect but they wont show up in story bits anymore. Or are they truly gone and you can't use them anymore?
Musasahi style
Funny that i rolled a single 11x roll and got Marie, but my husband Monte refused to come home. 😭 This banner will probably bankrupt me in two years unless he decides to be nice to me.
This wasn't that bad a spoiler. I Mean it's definitely a spoiler but probably a spoiler I'll have forgotten in 2 years
7:36 yeah “Hate us”
It always makes me laugh when people try to claim games like FGO are about to hit EOS. Like, this game makes millions per year consistently and never falls off the top charts, yet somehow you think it’s gonna shut down in a month?
Ngl we gonna be stuck here for at least another decade.
With Ordeal Call 2 being called ID and the whole Ordeal Call story calling out the Avenger, Ruler, and Alter Ego classes my theory of how the following chapters will go was that OC3 would be about the Alter Egos (the chapters itself being called Ego similar to 2 being Id) probably going into depth about what it's like being an Alter Ego and having multiple entities/personalities in one Saint Graph and how it can sometimes be difficult to balance all of that. Then Ordeal Call 4 will be about the Rules called Superego and dealing with the fact that the Ruler classes purpose to safe guard and enforce the Rules set out by the Counter Force, namely that the dead must remain dead. In the end OC4 will be about the fact that eventually we will have to say good bye to our servants permanently, that no matter how much we may wish otherwise they have to return to the Throne and we'll have to go on living without them. Finally at the end of OC4 the last Marie attacks us and just like Cagliostro stated Chaldea can't beat her and in the end our servants sacrifice themselves to let us escape, starting a secret Ordeal Call 5 where we get the help of the Beast class to finally beat the last Marie probably ending with either A us summoning U-Olga Marie as the first welfare five star, or B as the first six star servant. Looking more into it this idea probably isn't going to happen since it looks like there is only supposed to be three ordeal calls (I just assumed it was going to be at least four and didn't look up the actually number until just now.) Still, you can never be sure, they may pull a fast one on us and either add a cannon event that technically isn't an Ordeal Call similar to Ooku, or just go "LOL nope we always meant to have 5, 6, 7+ Ordeal Calls"
1. We already have an Alter Ego OC, and it's titled PAPERMOON
2. OC is just a mini arc, it's not as big as CitL or even OoatT
3. Servants sacrificing themselves so Fujimaru could run away would literally just be ORT all over again and we still have a part 3 coming up. And it would be very wrong for an entire arc without the Chaldean servants
@mirzapramudya1580 I'm an NA player so I don't know everything going on in JP, had no idea that oc1 was about the alter egos, honestly thought it was just a side adventure. As for the servants sacrifice to let us get away, my idea is that it would be an arc where we run away gather our strength and then come back to finish the job, where as ORT was basically one very long battle where the point was to beat ORT while running for our lives rather than just running away, especially since there wasn't really anywhere we could run away too since ORT was going to destroy the planet.
Nooo, my beloved np5 jalter on NA server will leave me?
Me: who has no Avenger Servants.
Also me: I see this as an absolute win.
I’m wondering what type-moon has in store for us in the Ruler chapter of Ordeal Call. Because it looks like we’ll have to fight servants based on Biblical figures.
If Edmond Dante can be an avenger despite bot being a real person, but a fictional being.....can Batman be in FGO?
I love when the Avenger class servants say "It's Avenging Time" and avenge all over the place.
Not a jp player but watched anyways
I dont play JP but does finishing OC2 mean you can no longer use them in free quests and events or is it just for story? Because im not gonna lie, if the game outright says i cant use those characters anymore, what the hell was the point in saving/spending for those characters...
It’s purely a story thing, you’re just left with their shadow servant versions. Gameplays wise you still have them though
@@Castersvarog Thats still insane. I like the weight it has to the rest of the game but that is still wild.
I like to think erice is staying for voyager
There’s no shot that they’d end Fgo anytime soon, it racks in too much money lmao
I thought thay left because the extra classes should not exist and thay where some how erased or unsumend fro the throne of heroes but I just watched a clip of the end of the thing so can someone tell if I am ronge and if I am what actually happened 😅