SOME SOURCES USED TO MAKE THIS VIDEO: China Zhi Gong Party website: www.zg.org.cn/ Jiangsu Province website of China Zhi Gong Party: www.jszg.org/ History of the Zhi Gong Party (in Chinese): www.rmzxb.com.cn/c/2022-02-26/3057816.shtml Account of the Zhi Gong Party at the formation of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Congress (CPPCC): www.unhm.org/2022/09/23/hong/archives/8685 CPPCC review of CZGP history: cppcc.china.com.cn/2020-10/10/content_76792764.htm BC Grand Lodge of (regular) Freemasons history of Chinese Freemasons: freemasonry.bcy.ca/history/chinese_freemasons/index.html Boston Chinese Freemasons website: www.bostonchinesefreemasons.org/ Boston Chinese Freemasons TH-cam channel: th-cam.com/channels/IPfhrVpTPrSMns_K_z_XTw.html Garibaldi’s Masonic biography: freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/garibaldi_g/garibaldi.html Taiwan’s Zhi Gong Party Wikipedia article (in Chinese): zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E6%B0%91%E6%97%8F%E8%87%B4%E5%85%AC%E9%BB%A8 Former deputy chairman of the Chinese National Zhigong Party arrested: www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2023/12/24/2003811071 NOTE: The China Zhi Gong Party did not reply to my emails requesting information.
chen jiongming, one of the founders of the party was also an interesting individual. he was a federalist warlord, but also was an anarchist. ive researched it a tad bit and chen also invaded southern fujian and supposedly established anarchism there and cities like zhengzhou were considered the "model city of the east" and the chinese equivalent of moscow because of it being a gathering point for anarchists (other east asian anarchists hoped that fujian could be a launching point for a greater east asian anarchist revolution). also another one of the 8 legal parties in china, the revolutionary committee of the chinese kuomintang was actually formed by the left wing of the kmt dissatisfied with chiang kai shek
I'm glad you know about Chen Jiongming. I really got the feeling that he has been written out of most history today, and I suspect if he had been more successful the world might be a much better place. I'd not heard of any association with him and anarchism, though! I will look into that! Yes, the Revolutionary Committee of the KMT was a breakaway faction of the main Kuomintang. I'm not sure if they really supported Mao and the Communists as much as they probably just wanted to see the Kuomintang marginalized. I might do a video about them in future! Thanks for your comment!
One thing that these kind of subservient, false democracy parties are good for is in offering some cool party symbol designs. -- The first time that I learned that the GDR technically had a multiparty system, I was utterly stunned.
As a vice chairman of CPPCC, you become a member of national leaders, a sub-national official and entitled to important national meetings, which means much more than ministers. Wan Gang was also in charge of Ministry of Science and Technology for 11 years. He was close to the US governments and European officials, where he spent years of studying and working.
Not so wasted a time at all: was immediately reminded of rubber-stamp parliaments in e.g. today's Hungary, where there are parties, new ones pop up with every election, but ... (Let alone similar erosions in so-called Western European countries ... )
That's an interesting take! Hungary's democratic system is definitely under strain, but I think the opposition parties are still independent and genuine (even if ineffective at the moment). Or do you think I'm being naive?
Well as a Chinese just to add that the last leader of Zhi Gong party Wan Gang has a more interesting story, and deserves a deeper look. He was the one who introduced Tesla to Shanghai and played a very very important role in recent power shift in China and he was "a member of National Leaders" as vice chairman of CPPCC, a far more important level for Chinese politician. The seat now belongs to Jiang Zuojun.
Thank you for this! It does seem that some of the recent leaders of Zhi Gong parties have become important bureacrats. But the party is still not important enough for anyone to publish how many seats it won in the last "election" - not even the party website (as far as I can tell). So I guess the leader is more important than the party itself?
@@FredoRockwell well the seats for CPPCC are mainly from recommendation. To understand it, you need to understand the Chinese “caste system", which divides citizens into cpc members, league members, young pioneers, democratic party members(DPM) , non-party individuals and ”public people". These DPMs, including ZGP members. are generally guaranteed seats in poeple's congress and government positions(all across the different levels of government). They don't need elections, they just need to share them according to CPC's recommendations. If you are someone not typically have deep relationships with the current power system, like someone who spent years as a professor, a businessman or one with minority conenctions (Xinjiang, Xizang, HK, Macao, Taiwan etc,.) this is basically the only way to get involved in the power system. Also, look, the peoples congress in different levels, national, provincial, or municipal, is similar to house of commons in many other nations. The main battlefield is the PPCC, which is like the upper house, where they can spread their influence on government's policymaking. The seats are not from elections, but from CPC's list of recommendations, so there would be fierce battle underground. Currently ZGP is the largest DP in China, so you would know their importance now.
@@FredoRockwell jsut to correct, ZGP is not the biggest DP currently. They did have quite big influence when Li Keqiang was premier, but we are now on the way of disconnecting from the rest of the world, ZGP doesnt matter that much now.
My father told me that he and my grandfather belonged to a Chinese fraternal organization based in Manhattan's Chinatown. My dad said the members were mostly older men who sat around and played mahjong or card games. I don't know if they added me to the membership list when I was born but I don't think I've ever visited it.
Hiya, there is a Chinese Masonic lodge in Manhattan, so yes that's very possibly what your father was referring to! As for your membership, I suspect you'd have to be initiated to be considered a member, but the fact that your father and grandfather are members would probably make you a strong candidate. I don't know enough to say whether that's a good thing to do or not, but having somewhere in Manhattan you can drop by for a game of cards or dry swimming sounds ace to me!
@FredoRockwell After some Googling, my guess is that my father and grandfather belonged to the "Hoy Sun Ning Yung" Association, which is named for the district where my great-grandfather was born. The Chinese Freemasons in NYC appear to also go by the name "Hung Mun Chee Kong Tong". Next time I see my father, I will have to show him this video and ask some questions about the Hoy Sun Ning Yung Association.
The use of the party system is also to generate different ideas and criticism that can be integrated to improve things. Not everything is a cynical power grab like anticommunists propaganda would have you believe.
@christophereduardo9903 Sorry, you must be unfamiliar with my work. I'm on the payroll of the Algerian government. Just check out the comments on my video about Western Sahara fire evidence.
@@FredoRockwelllol you are funny im resubscribing but yea man on contentious issues a more balanced take on the subjects may help not to alinate people who are sick and tired of the NATO lines (lies) on international politics.
Glad to have you! I've made plenty of videos that are critical of US policy, if that's what you're looking for. Check out the one on .io website domains for a good example.
SOME SOURCES USED TO MAKE THIS VIDEO:
China Zhi Gong Party website: www.zg.org.cn/
Jiangsu Province website of China Zhi Gong Party: www.jszg.org/
History of the Zhi Gong Party (in Chinese): www.rmzxb.com.cn/c/2022-02-26/3057816.shtml
Account of the Zhi Gong Party at the formation of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Congress (CPPCC): www.unhm.org/2022/09/23/hong/archives/8685
CPPCC review of CZGP history: cppcc.china.com.cn/2020-10/10/content_76792764.htm
BC Grand Lodge of (regular) Freemasons history of Chinese Freemasons: freemasonry.bcy.ca/history/chinese_freemasons/index.html
Boston Chinese Freemasons website: www.bostonchinesefreemasons.org/
Boston Chinese Freemasons TH-cam channel: th-cam.com/channels/IPfhrVpTPrSMns_K_z_XTw.html
Garibaldi’s Masonic biography: freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/garibaldi_g/garibaldi.html
Taiwan’s Zhi Gong Party Wikipedia article (in Chinese): zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E6%B0%91%E6%97%8F%E8%87%B4%E5%85%AC%E9%BB%A8
Former deputy chairman of the Chinese National Zhigong Party arrested: www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2023/12/24/2003811071
NOTE: The China Zhi Gong Party did not reply to my emails requesting information.
Well I learned something new today! Fascinating stuff. Love hearing about these smaller niche parts of dictatorships
chen jiongming, one of the founders of the party was also an interesting individual. he was a federalist warlord, but also was an anarchist. ive researched it a tad bit and chen also invaded southern fujian and supposedly established anarchism there and cities like zhengzhou were considered the "model city of the east" and the chinese equivalent of moscow because of it being a gathering point for anarchists (other east asian anarchists hoped that fujian could be a launching point for a greater east asian anarchist revolution).
also another one of the 8 legal parties in china, the revolutionary committee of the chinese kuomintang was actually formed by the left wing of the kmt dissatisfied with chiang kai shek
I'm glad you know about Chen Jiongming. I really got the feeling that he has been written out of most history today, and I suspect if he had been more successful the world might be a much better place.
I'd not heard of any association with him and anarchism, though! I will look into that!
Yes, the Revolutionary Committee of the KMT was a breakaway faction of the main Kuomintang. I'm not sure if they really supported Mao and the Communists as much as they probably just wanted to see the Kuomintang marginalized. I might do a video about them in future!
Thanks for your comment!
One thing that these kind of subservient, false democracy parties are good for is in offering some cool party symbol designs.
--
The first time that I learned that the GDR technically had a multiparty system, I was utterly stunned.
As a vice chairman of CPPCC, you become a member of national leaders, a sub-national official and entitled to important national meetings, which means much more than ministers. Wan Gang was also in charge of Ministry of Science and Technology for 11 years. He was close to the US governments and European officials, where he spent years of studying and working.
Not so wasted a time at all: was immediately reminded of rubber-stamp parliaments in e.g. today's Hungary, where there are parties, new ones pop up with every election, but ... (Let alone similar erosions in so-called Western European countries ... )
That's an interesting take! Hungary's democratic system is definitely under strain, but I think the opposition parties are still independent and genuine (even if ineffective at the moment). Or do you think I'm being naive?
Well as a Chinese just to add that the last leader of Zhi Gong party Wan Gang has a more interesting story, and deserves a deeper look. He was the one who introduced Tesla to Shanghai and played a very very important role in recent power shift in China and he was "a member of National Leaders" as vice chairman of CPPCC, a far more important level for Chinese politician. The seat now belongs to Jiang Zuojun.
Thank you for this! It does seem that some of the recent leaders of Zhi Gong parties have become important bureacrats. But the party is still not important enough for anyone to publish how many seats it won in the last "election" - not even the party website (as far as I can tell). So I guess the leader is more important than the party itself?
@@FredoRockwell well the seats for CPPCC are mainly from recommendation. To understand it, you need to understand the Chinese “caste system", which divides citizens into cpc members, league members, young pioneers, democratic party members(DPM) , non-party individuals and ”public people". These DPMs, including ZGP members. are generally guaranteed seats in poeple's congress and government positions(all across the different levels of government). They don't need elections, they just need to share them according to CPC's recommendations. If you are someone not typically have deep relationships with the current power system, like someone who spent years as a professor, a businessman or one with minority conenctions (Xinjiang, Xizang, HK, Macao, Taiwan etc,.) this is basically the only way to get involved in the power system. Also, look, the peoples congress in different levels, national, provincial, or municipal, is similar to house of commons in many other nations. The main battlefield is the PPCC, which is like the upper house, where they can spread their influence on government's policymaking. The seats are not from elections, but from CPC's list of recommendations, so there would be fierce battle underground. Currently ZGP is the largest DP in China, so you would know their importance now.
@@FredoRockwell jsut to correct, ZGP is not the biggest DP currently. They did have quite big influence when Li Keqiang was premier, but we are now on the way of disconnecting from the rest of the world, ZGP doesnt matter that much now.
My father told me that he and my grandfather belonged to a Chinese fraternal organization based in Manhattan's Chinatown. My dad said the members were mostly older men who sat around and played mahjong or card games. I don't know if they added me to the membership list when I was born but I don't think I've ever visited it.
Hiya, there is a Chinese Masonic lodge in Manhattan, so yes that's very possibly what your father was referring to! As for your membership, I suspect you'd have to be initiated to be considered a member, but the fact that your father and grandfather are members would probably make you a strong candidate. I don't know enough to say whether that's a good thing to do or not, but having somewhere in Manhattan you can drop by for a game of cards or dry swimming sounds ace to me!
@FredoRockwell After some Googling, my guess is that my father and grandfather belonged to the "Hoy Sun Ning Yung" Association, which is named for the district where my great-grandfather was born.
The Chinese Freemasons in NYC appear to also go by the name "Hung Mun Chee Kong Tong".
Next time I see my father, I will have to show him this video and ask some questions about the Hoy Sun Ning Yung Association.
@@ChuJungyin Yes, Chee Kong Tong is the old fashioned form of Zhi Gong Tong, so I think you are right! Let me know what you find out. :)
By the way I re-watched the East Germany version
I love this video
Thank you!
Yeah, they don’t make secret societies like they used to 😢
The use of the party system is also to generate different ideas and criticism that can be integrated to improve things. Not everything is a cynical power grab like anticommunists propaganda would have you believe.
So you're saying there are cynical power grabs made by the CCP? Anything specific you want to name?
@@FredoRockwell bro i just hope you charging the CIA for these propaganda videos, get paid
@christophereduardo9903 Sorry, you must be unfamiliar with my work. I'm on the payroll of the Algerian government. Just check out the comments on my video about Western Sahara fire evidence.
@@FredoRockwelllol you are funny im resubscribing but yea man on contentious issues a more balanced take on the subjects may help not to alinate people who are sick and tired of the NATO lines (lies) on international politics.
Glad to have you! I've made plenty of videos that are critical of US policy, if that's what you're looking for. Check out the one on .io website domains for a good example.
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