Why can't you be color blind instead of focusing on color? People like you are so obsessed with color and it's extremely unhealthy and dumb. Who gives a fuck what color this woman is?
Because they're both people of color and they like to connect through this similarity in a subculture that is represented mostly by white people. You're the one who seems a little obsessed in stomping on her garden and having such a negative and "extremely unhealthy" demeanor. The person who uploaded this video was obviously happy about the compliment so there was no need to be so rude.
After watching the men's 40 years of goth I agree that this one was a little more costumy. The pin up I was sad to see because in my head I was waiting for Rockabilly. But then like you said there were no really dark colors and it just didn't feel right. I do wonder why they haven't shown an all white look that some goths like to wear.
As someone who wears Lolita she did terrible with it. There are loads of comments explaining what's wrong with it. Mainly the wig and the make up are really cringeworthy.
LOL. I'm going to have to look further into Gothic Lolita. I know what is is and what it looks like, but I'm not into it so I wasn't sure what was off. I really appreciate the comments here explaining what was off about what was shown in the video.
if you think pastel goth is bad wait till you see bubble goth XD from what i understand it's basically goth style clothing and accessories only with colors instead. spikey bracelets only they're pink or green or blue or whatever, big goth style boots only white or pink or cyan blue, leather corset top only it's pink or white.
Yes! I find that people in the workplace (including myself) who are goths, but have to work and they can't be too "extreme". Or, you're just not feeling it. Nu goth can be a nice segue.
+gothicsoulflower (Dasia Denise) exactly my job restricts me from going over the top with it and since I'm a student I can't exactly go all out with my wardrobe so nu goth is a perfect medium for me c:
As an elder goth myself, I've seen Native American goth, Chola goth and African goth and they're awesome in how each incorporates the dark aesthetic with ethnic style. My personal goth aesthetic tends to be mostly literary, though I tend to wear cameos with everything, lol. Victorian goth and steampunk are natural extensions of each other so I don't know why there's even an argument. Heck, Pirate goth is a thing. Being a Black goth chick, I've always made it a point to not be elitist about the different types of goth looks. Pastel goth is spooky cute, a la Wednesday Addams rocking a holographic unicorn dress. Pin up/rockabilly can also be goth aka The Nekromantiks. The Death Rock style seemed to be going for early Gitane Demone. Awesome review and I just subscribed to your channel.
I’ve seen several videos about this video of 40 year of gothic.... And I enjoy every single one of them, I’m a 45 year old goth many people criticize me because of being goth at my age.... Great video thanks for sharing....
I enjoyed this video so much. I am an elder Goth myself. At 50 I was around just as the scene was created and although it has morphed over the years my style tends to stay mostly the same. I like the way you described Nu Goth. I believe it is indeed a simplified version for people who do not have the time, money or patience to go through 2 hours or more of makeup and dressing. I think Lolita Goth never really took off in the US. I saw and continue to see it in Asian cultures or those who appreciate dolly culture. I will always prefer a good old fashioned Victorian Goth look for myself and I love seeing it on others as well. The sheer effort of it all and the grandeur is so aesthetically pleasing. I have no idea why TH-cam took 2 full years to bring you to me but better late then never. lol Off to check out more of your channel.
You look beautiful! I love your fan. I think if they really felt the need to add in Pin Up, they could have easily went with the "first" Gothic 50's pin up- Vampira! ;) My style of goth is like that...blood red lip, streamlined black dresses and pants, black velvet, a bit minimal in comparison to peers in my age group (early 20s) I guess. Perhaps a bit like a beatnick, too haha! Great video! I enjoyed your point of view.
Thank you, Ms. Autumn and I agree with you. Pin Up is a great style, but I wouldn't think she looked goth if I saw her on the street. Maybe not goth, but definitely alternative. The Vampira look (or even Morticia) would be more 1950s goth.
I agree with u not sure withe the steam punk and rockabilly I'm 44 uk original 80S goth but had to tone it down for work so I'm an elder weekend goth as I'm a store manager but I love the romantic goth
Love your video and opinion. I'm now over 40 years old and I've been there done it. In high school I was old school Punk Rock then Death Rock with Christian Death, Joy Division, The Sisters etc. Then as I got older I was involved in the Cleopatra Records New School Goth like Rosetta Stone, The Wake, Two Witches etc. and that was all me until I grew older. Now with mortgage, growing up in life I cut my hair, became clean cut and worked my way up. Still love the music but I don't dress up anymore. As a matter of fact I'm now just a hardcore retro video game toy collecting sporty goth if that makes any sense. lol. Yeah! :) I'm not a young kid anymore that can work at Hot Topic and look cool for minimum wage and live with my parents. I got a family to feed and a life to make so yeah I tapped out of the cool looks and grew up. Yet still.. I have the joy of enjoying all my past nostalgic stuff in my home and man cave. That's the way I roll. Love your video! : )
Thank you very much! And being older comes with responsibilities, including children, family, jobs, etc. for many. You do what you got to do. And the music will always be there as a retreat. :)
Pastel Goth was started in Japan. Japan is into pastellic colours and whatnot, but newer goths started to change it and started using it as a way of being goth but your still cute.
I don't necessarily think Nu Goth is Goth. The actual Goth scene is about music and art, and Nu Goth is just a fashion trend started by hipsters who don't know what Goth is actually about.
I know actual Goths who are into the rest of the subculture who are into Nu Goth, and I know "~edgy~" hipsters who just see it as a look to seem all 'dark' and 'witchy'. I guess it's like the Mall Goths and suchlike, some people will get into this properly, some people will appropriate the aesthetic for shallow reasons.
That's true. If someone wears blue jeans and a white t-shirt and they listen and love goth music, then to me they're goth - unless they clearly don't identify themselves as such. I feel goth fashion is an expression that comes FROM the music and the art.
Some of my best Goth-y musical conversations have been with people who don't look at all stereotypically Goth - especially people who may have looked Goth in the '80s, but now look more mainstream.
Yes! With getting older, having kids, etc. it can be a challenge to dress gothic. Especially with jobs - particularly among professionals. I myself took a break from dressing goth due to various jobs.
i can't see myself belonging to any of these labels. I just don't like being labeled period. However, I wear a lot of black, dark makeup, tattoos, I love the Goth Culture but I also love all those styles. I dont know anything really about the Goth culture, music and art wise, I just know that its beautiful & have always seen myself different which is what i find beautiful about all of this from the beginning. But i love learning about it all. I just turned 31 & just have always felt like i gravitated with this culture, because where i grew up no one really is into that except for me haha.
The pinup actually looked more rockabilly. Yes I agree it needed to be darker for gothabilly or psychobilly. Myself personally I'm rockabilly. And I would wear what she was wearing.
honestly i love your style as much as i adore the classic white face and dramatic makeup look of most goths your look is just so original and i veleive shows a good combo of gothic and natural beauty keep doing what you do!
I Think we all should try to see the positive aspects of those new sub-subkultures like pastel oder especially hipster goth. Firstly it makes the entire subkulture visible for lots and lots of people who are not rly IN the scene, but some of them could start to like it and learn more about goth as a lifestyle kind of thing, it´s a possibility for our community to grow. And secondly it makes it easier for us to go shopping in "normies" shops. Even if the examples in the video were like super easy examples without a lot of detail in the particular outfits - I think it was a nice try anyway!
I agree, mostly. I like the different styles, but if it's not connected to gothic rock then it really isn't goth. The music is the nucleus of the goth subculture. If goth was strictly about fashion, there would be no issue. There's nothing wrong with starting with the fashion first since it's the visible aspect of the subculture, but wearing the style with no love of the music is just that - dark fashion, not goth. :)
Nu Goth is trad goth but with modern cuts and patterns, basically. It shares elements with hipster fashion but so does Pastel-mostly just because the hipster look is popular with a lot of people even if they aren't actually Hipsters.
I think Nu Goth is popular because it's more "attainable". Nu Goth also looks good on a wider range of people, imo. I will always love trad goth, but I don't think I can pull it off any longer.
gothicsoulflower I can definitely see that. I know its a lot easier for me to dress up tights and a top now that i'm older and don't have the kind of money or time to devote to my wardrobe, than some of the more involved or extreme looks I wore as a teenager ( and especially now that I actually have a kid myself) Although I also just generally like it for aesthetic purposes, a lot of Nu Goth has a very witchy look to it that I really dig.
Of course. I will always love the more elaborate goth looks and I'm happy to see that there are people who have that aesthetic. I'm in the comfort stage of my life, so a lot of my garments are long and flowy. :)
Lolita was off. Think the wig and shoes were definitely off,and something about the dress seemed odd, but was too small for me to get a good view on here so will double check after I finish the comment. . Pastel goth was off a bit also, it was close, and is meant to be more creepy cute with a mix od pastels and cartoon ed out themes in a way, rather than black and spikes and dead things. Pin up and steampunk were way off and definitely have their own fashions, but we're missing the goth elements that cross over and bring the fashion back to actual goth. (much like lolita is it's own fashion, but has a goth cross over with some darker colors, or with kuro and shiro lolita). nu goth is like new age wicca goth, so kind of a cross of darkwr colors with wiccan or pentagram themes in prints or jewelry (her necklace and tights ). Romantic goth is more towards older historical goth (think rennasance dresses being more flow and long), as opposed to victorian goth, which is more victorian England style with longer skirts,fitted bodiced bustle gowns, fitted jackets, top hats, parasols, corsets,etc. Think they touched on some but missed many subgenres and lack in full details that make the styles unique from each other.
Interesting take on that. Again, I don't know much about Lolita other than the basics so I wasn't sure how much they got right. And yeah pastel goth - no. But, creepy cute? Yes. I think that's where I was getting hung up at. Creepy cute is definitely goth, with cartoony elements.
+gothicsoulflower (Dasia Denise) been into dark my whole life but discovered lolita few years back. so naturally I wear mostly gothic lolita myself. kuro lolita, being just black ,as opposed to regular gothic lolita which is black and say deep burgundy for example, seems to be more of what they were going for but went awry on. Fill DE porcelain has a kuro\gothic lolita channel transformation which is what we lean more torwarda. Very elegant, black, with bars , or crosses etc. but cute video if you want to take a look. :)
Sorry if it is weird for me to comment this long after but I think I know why the dress looked off. I believe she used an A-line petti with a cupcake dress... or even a babydoll petti ^^' I'm not quite sure but it looked like it ^^ Either A-line or cupcake is still a Lolita silhouette but when the dress is made for one type of petti and you use another it looks baaaaad (trust me I made that mistake when I started :P)
You're right, steampunk isn't goth. It's an offshoot of cyberpunk. I think the confusion comes in because the clothing is victorian, same as victorian/romantic goth.
I agree with you on a lot of your points. I was wearing 'Goth' styles when I did not know it was Goth in the 80s. I am 47 now. (Even when I was a child I fought not to wear colors and even took black shoe dye to color my clothes. My mother was furious) So it is interesting to see what is considered Goth and what is not by today's fashion judgments. I agree that I would probably not consider Pinup or Pastel as Goth but offshoots of it. Still I am not one to say what is and is not 'really' Goth. But I am sure that a lot of younger people would not consider me Goth either now that I have moved from Victorian but into a more Boho-Goth style. (Think Stevie Nicks) All of the frills but less constricting! LOL Loved your vid. :)
Yes yes yes! It sounds like we share a similar goth style! I belly dance and that's a big influence on my own style. I love comfort and beauty, so I love the dark bohemian, Stevie Nicks style. Some may not see this style as goth, but I certainly do. Thanks for watching and commenting on the video. I'm happy that you enjoyed it. :)
I would rather use creepy~cute instead of pastel goth and I think it fits better, NU goth for me is like a basic, normal-fashion-like and I don't really like it, it looks like a "proper goth". I prefer the messy hair, the big shirts, chains, the ripped fabric, the spooky makeup and how intimidating it looks
i dont think steampunk is goth but i guess it kinda depends as u could dress in a preppy steampunk or a gothic steampunk style or even just have elements of steampunk in ur outfit to express urself
I can see how people think Steampunk may be goth (when goths discovered brown, lol). But unfortunately it's just a completely separate genre - it doesn't even have "goth" in the name. Hmmm, Steamgoth maybe? :)
The goth subculture originated in a music scene called positive punk. It centered around Goth Rock, Deathrock, Post punk, Darkwave, Coldwave, aka ''the batcave club.'' Bands such as Bauhaus, Blood and Roses, Alien Sex Fiend, Christian Death, Specimen, Siouxsie and the banshees, etc started it all. Since it was all about the music, it was about creating your own clothes. Unfortunately, the 1990's media had to make the label very known, sabotaging its reputation; this was do to the rise of new heavy metal and gangster goth trends. Most goths today, although much less in number, are a propagation of the 90's goth trends. There are many more annoying goth trends today that are less mainstream. Unfortunately, most goths are not doing anything to support Goth Rock and Deathrock musicians. All metal head goths, cyber goths, Nu goths, and pastel goths are all goths. Goth is too fluid a definition and everybody gets included, making underground genre tags pretty much useless.
I disagree with "most goths are not doing anything to support Goth Rock and Deathrock musicians". Of course there are some, but there are plenty of goths supporting their music. Outside of attending shows and purchasing their music and videos, what more can be done? I do agree that goth is becoming too fluid, which is not a problem until it strays away from the music and the appreciation of darkness. I do see that happening currently, but it's happened before and those in it to be trendy will get bored and move on to the next thing.
+gothicsoulflower (Dasia Denise) lolita did look like a straight up costume. I don't know any goth lolitas but I know that lolitas do put more effort into it like us other goths.
They didn't get it right at all. Gothic lolita has nothing to do with western goth. No strong music associations, different aesthetic, etc. Gothic lolita is a substyle of lolita, not of goth, they just share some elements. The makeup was atrocious in the video. Old gothic lolitas did very natural Japanese makeup, as in some mascara, a hint of blush and that was it. Modern (or OTT/over the top) gothic lolitas also don't look like the video at all. They have a feminine dolly look, which is still all about the eyes and cutesy. They don't tend to shade under the eyes at all, and the brows should be really soft, not harsh like this. That really shitty "geisha lip" looking bs is more racist stereotyping than anything else. The wig was goddawful, the sausage curls were too thin, and not even a popular look for gothic. And you never show your petticoat, that's just in bad taste, not that she was even wearing the right kind. She needed a cupcake or A-line petticoat, her dress was limp. They actually messed up the majority of the substyles. And confused related styles for goth. Steampunk is not goth. Rockabilly is not goth. (Gothabilly and some psychobilly is) Pinup is not goth. These things can be related or share elements, but they aren't goth. The only non-goth style that made sense was punk, because goth came from that.
I agree that Steampunk, Rockabilly, and Pin Up aren't goth. But I thought they got Trad, Romantic right. The clothes were a bit costumey, but it's a 4 minute video, so it wasn't too serious for me. I don't know much about Gothic Lolita and your comments regarding that is interesting.
+gothicsoulflower (Dasia Denise) Trad and romantic were okay, but they felt cheap. I realize it's a low budget type production so I'm a bit over critical, but its just such a shame the poorly researched parts really stood out to me. Trad and Romantic felt alright, just a bit cliche, definitely not the worst, you're right. They just felt sort of like they're cosplays of the style, you know? With the costumey cheap ebay version of goth. It's like crow makeup in clothing form. Everyone is definitely free to have their own take, like with the steampunk debate (I only say it's not because most steampunks either identify as their own thing/fantasy historical fashion, or as a form of romantic punk rather than goth) Thanks for responding, I liked your video, you have a sweet and open minded approach that this bitter old crow appreciates, haha.
I like that they started with Punk. Romantic was alright. Slightly costumish but not bad and mostly accurate. Cyber Goth was done fairly accurate save for the dreads. Pastel they got right I believe. Steampunk isn't Goth. It is its own subculture and more of a cousin to Goth. Pin-up, I think they meant Gothabilly but that looked more like Rockabilly. As for Nu Goth. I thought it looked alright. It didn't look hipster really, more like Hippie. Which makes sense. Hippies did influence Goth a lot as they were around the same time period.
I actually really like the Romantic Goth, even if it was a bit costumey. Probably because I love long skirts and flowy things. You didn't think the dreads for Cyber Goth was correct? Were they too bright? Not full enough? I'm just curious.
gothicsoulflower Heh. I'm similar. I'm a fan of Victorian Goth and Military Goth personally fashion wise. Well I recall some Cyber Goth friends and a few other TH-camrs pointing them out. I personally can't say much on it, Cyber Goth isn't exactly my expertise. But something about the wrong materials I believe.
I'm sorry, they botched Gothic Lolita 😭 the dress was very costume-y and there weren't any accessories and no one wears hair or makeup like that! it just makes me upset :c
the death rock wasn't even death rock,death rockers men and women generally wear a death hawk wether black or a different color.death rock is a mix of punk and goth culture it came kinda 1980 or so
Hmm some of those are on point and some not so much I believe they should have got really people who live the life style pose for this video ESPECIALLY the Deathrock never ever seen someone with that hair!
I do like Nu-Goth fashion wise, but goth has to be connected to the music. Maybe we can take that style back and make it really goth? (I may be there already, lol.)
I have always wanted to be goth.... But I am poor, lazy and hated wearing make up for 90% of my life. Nu goth kind of gave me an in. But what they showed there as nu goth looked more like witchy goth or as i have heard some ppl call it occult goth??? If i could even call myself a goth i would be a bumgoth lazygothlolol
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Why can't you be color blind instead of focusing on color? People like you are so obsessed with color and it's extremely unhealthy and dumb. Who gives a fuck what color this woman is?
Because they're both people of color and they like to connect through this similarity in a subculture that is represented mostly by white people. You're the one who seems a little obsessed in stomping on her garden and having such a negative and "extremely unhealthy" demeanor. The person who uploaded this video was obviously happy about the compliment so there was no need to be so rude.
@@EsotericOccultist "people like you" what tf do you know abt this person
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i'm 46 and still goth! I like the various styles......
I do like how goth style has grown over the years.
After watching the men's 40 years of goth I agree that this one was a little more costumy. The pin up I was sad to see because in my head I was waiting for Rockabilly. But then like you said there were no really dark colors and it just didn't feel right. I do wonder why they haven't shown an all white look that some goths like to wear.
As someone who wears Lolita she did terrible with it. There are loads of comments explaining what's wrong with it. Mainly the wig and the make up are really cringeworthy.
LOL. I'm going to have to look further into Gothic Lolita. I know what is is and what it looks like, but I'm not into it so I wasn't sure what was off. I really appreciate the comments here explaining what was off about what was shown in the video.
Kudos to you as well for your video.
if you think pastel goth is bad wait till you see bubble goth XD from what i understand it's basically goth style clothing and accessories only with colors instead. spikey bracelets only they're pink or green or blue or whatever, big goth style boots only white or pink or cyan blue, leather corset top only it's pink or white.
I agree with the you on the nu goth style with the work place. That's how I dress for work. Finally someone who agrees
Yes! I find that people in the workplace (including myself) who are goths, but have to work and they can't be too "extreme". Or, you're just not feeling it. Nu goth can be a nice segue.
+gothicsoulflower (Dasia Denise) exactly my job restricts me from going over the top with it and since I'm a student I can't exactly go all out with my wardrobe so nu goth is a perfect medium for me c:
As an elder goth myself, I've seen Native American goth, Chola goth and African goth and they're awesome in how each incorporates the dark aesthetic with ethnic style. My personal goth aesthetic tends to be mostly literary, though I tend to wear cameos with everything, lol. Victorian goth and steampunk are natural extensions of each other so I don't know why there's even an argument. Heck, Pirate goth is a thing. Being a Black goth chick, I've always made it a point to not be elitist about the different types of goth looks. Pastel goth is spooky cute, a la Wednesday Addams rocking a holographic unicorn dress. Pin up/rockabilly can also be goth aka The Nekromantiks. The Death Rock style seemed to be going for early Gitane Demone. Awesome review and I just subscribed to your channel.
Tell them to stop appropriating white culture.
I’ve seen several videos about this video of 40 year of gothic....
And I enjoy every single one of them, I’m a 45 year old goth many people criticize me because of being goth at my age....
Great video thanks for sharing....
I really dig your channel. Thanks!👍
I enjoyed this video so much. I am an elder Goth myself. At 50 I was around just as the scene was created and although it has morphed over the years my style tends to stay mostly the same. I like the way you described Nu Goth. I believe it is indeed a simplified version for people who do not have the time, money or patience to go through 2 hours or more of makeup and dressing.
I think Lolita Goth never really took off in the US. I saw and continue to see it in Asian cultures or those who appreciate dolly culture. I will always prefer a good old fashioned Victorian Goth look for myself and I love seeing it on others as well. The sheer effort of it all and the grandeur is so aesthetically pleasing. I have no idea why TH-cam took 2 full years to bring you to me but better late then never. lol Off to check out more of your channel.
You look beautiful! I love your fan. I think if they really felt the need to add in Pin Up, they could have easily went with the "first" Gothic 50's pin up- Vampira! ;) My style of goth is like that...blood red lip, streamlined black dresses and pants, black velvet, a bit minimal in comparison to peers in my age group (early 20s) I guess. Perhaps a bit like a beatnick, too haha! Great video! I enjoyed your point of view.
Thank you, Ms. Autumn and I agree with you. Pin Up is a great style, but I wouldn't think she looked goth if I saw her on the street. Maybe not goth, but definitely alternative. The Vampira look (or even Morticia) would be more 1950s goth.
gothicsoulflower You're very welcome.
I agree with u not sure withe the steam punk and rockabilly I'm 44 uk original 80S goth but had to tone it down for work so I'm an elder weekend goth as I'm a store manager but I love the romantic goth
I think Nu Goth is better than no goth at all at least the message is carrying on somewhat.
Totally unrelated to the video, but I love your personality. Subbed!
Love your video and opinion. I'm now over 40 years old and I've been there done it. In high school I was old school Punk Rock then Death Rock with Christian Death, Joy Division, The Sisters etc. Then as I got older I was involved in the Cleopatra Records New School Goth like Rosetta Stone, The Wake, Two Witches etc. and that was all me until I grew older. Now with mortgage, growing up in life I cut my hair, became clean cut and worked my way up. Still love the music but I don't dress up anymore. As a matter of fact I'm now just a hardcore retro video game toy collecting sporty goth if that makes any sense. lol. Yeah! :) I'm not a young kid anymore that can work at Hot Topic and look cool for minimum wage and live with my parents. I got a family to feed and a life to make so yeah I tapped out of the cool looks and grew up. Yet still.. I have the joy of enjoying all my past nostalgic stuff in my home and man cave. That's the way I roll. Love your video! : )
Thank you very much! And being older comes with responsibilities, including children, family, jobs, etc. for many. You do what you got to do. And the music will always be there as a retreat. :)
Nice video hope to see more
Thank you and you will. :)
I appreciate your opinion. Love hearing from the elder goths.
Thank you very much. :)
Love this !
Great video!
Thank you!
Would've been nice to see their take on what corporate goth looks like....
Agreed. I'm not into suits and don't wear them, but corporate goth has a sharpness to it that I like when it's tailored well.
A corporate Goth is any Goth with a corporate level job.
That's true, actually. But for this video, I was talking about style. and there is a Corporate Goth style.
57 year old from Edinburgh and still goth. Cool review.
Pastel Goth was started in Japan. Japan is into pastellic colours and whatnot, but newer goths started to change it and started using it as a way of being goth but your still cute.
I don't necessarily think Nu Goth is Goth. The actual Goth scene is about music and art, and Nu Goth is just a fashion trend started by hipsters who don't know what Goth is actually about.
Oh I see. I thought maybe they were goths, but not "uber-goths". Yeah, if they're not into goth music and art that's no bueno.
I know actual Goths who are into the rest of the subculture who are into Nu Goth, and I know "~edgy~" hipsters who just see it as a look to seem all 'dark' and 'witchy'. I guess it's like the Mall Goths and suchlike, some people will get into this properly, some people will appropriate the aesthetic for shallow reasons.
That's true. If someone wears blue jeans and a white t-shirt and they listen and love goth music, then to me they're goth - unless they clearly don't identify themselves as such. I feel goth fashion is an expression that comes FROM the music and the art.
Some of my best Goth-y musical conversations have been with people who don't look at all stereotypically Goth - especially people who may have looked Goth in the '80s, but now look more mainstream.
Yes! With getting older, having kids, etc. it can be a challenge to dress gothic. Especially with jobs - particularly among professionals. I myself took a break from dressing goth due to various jobs.
i can't see myself belonging to any of these labels. I just don't like being labeled period. However, I wear a lot of black, dark makeup, tattoos, I love the Goth Culture but I also love all those styles. I dont know anything really about the Goth culture, music and art wise, I just know that its beautiful & have always seen myself different which is what i find beautiful about all of this from the beginning. But i love learning about it all. I just turned 31 & just have always felt like i gravitated with this culture, because where i grew up no one really is into that except for me haha.
The pinup actually looked more rockabilly. Yes I agree it needed to be darker for gothabilly or psychobilly. Myself personally I'm rockabilly. And I would wear what she was wearing.
I'll be back tomorrow to watch this
The punk outfit looked like someone you see on the corner on the street a night in Preston
Have seen some video,s by you. Like it and you are very kind. But saw just now i didn,t subcrived. So just did. Much love. Cisca
honestly i love your style as much as i adore the classic white face and dramatic makeup look of most goths your look is just so original and i veleive shows a good combo of gothic and natural beauty keep doing what you do!
I Think we all should try to see the positive aspects of those new sub-subkultures like pastel oder especially hipster goth. Firstly it makes the entire subkulture visible for lots and lots of people who are not rly IN the scene, but some of them could start to like it and learn more about goth as a lifestyle kind of thing, it´s a possibility for our community to grow. And secondly it makes it easier for us to go shopping in "normies" shops. Even if the examples in the video were like super easy examples without a lot of detail in the particular outfits - I think it was a nice try anyway!
I agree, mostly. I like the different styles, but if it's not connected to gothic rock then it really isn't goth. The music is the nucleus of the goth subculture. If goth was strictly about fashion, there would be no issue. There's nothing wrong with starting with the fashion first since it's the visible aspect of the subculture, but wearing the style with no love of the music is just that - dark fashion, not goth. :)
nice to hear reviews from a very exprienced one
Nu Goth is trad goth but with modern cuts and patterns, basically. It shares elements with hipster fashion but so does Pastel-mostly just because the hipster look is popular with a lot of people even if they aren't actually Hipsters.
I think Nu Goth is popular because it's more "attainable". Nu Goth also looks good on a wider range of people, imo. I will always love trad goth, but I don't think I can pull it off any longer.
gothicsoulflower I can definitely see that. I know its a lot easier for me to dress up tights and a top now that i'm older and don't have the kind of money or time to devote to my wardrobe, than some of the more involved or extreme looks I wore as a teenager ( and especially now that I actually have a kid myself) Although I also just generally like it for aesthetic purposes, a lot of Nu Goth has a very witchy look to it that I really dig.
Of course. I will always love the more elaborate goth looks and I'm happy to see that there are people who have that aesthetic. I'm in the comfort stage of my life, so a lot of my garments are long and flowy. :)
Lolita was off. Think the wig and shoes were definitely off,and something about the dress seemed odd, but was too small for me to get a good view on here so will double check after I finish the comment. . Pastel goth was off a bit also, it was close, and is meant to be more creepy cute with a mix od pastels and cartoon ed out themes in a way, rather than black and spikes and dead things. Pin up and steampunk were way off and definitely have their own fashions, but we're missing the goth elements that cross over and bring the fashion back to actual goth. (much like lolita is it's own fashion, but has a goth cross over with some darker colors, or with kuro and shiro lolita). nu goth is like new age wicca goth, so kind of a cross of darkwr colors with wiccan or pentagram themes in prints or jewelry (her necklace and tights ). Romantic goth is more towards older historical goth (think rennasance dresses being more flow and long), as opposed to victorian goth, which is more victorian England style with longer skirts,fitted bodiced bustle gowns, fitted jackets, top hats, parasols, corsets,etc. Think they touched on some but missed many subgenres and lack in full details that make the styles unique from each other.
Interesting take on that. Again, I don't know much about Lolita other than the basics so I wasn't sure how much they got right. And yeah pastel goth - no. But, creepy cute? Yes. I think that's where I was getting hung up at. Creepy cute is definitely goth, with cartoony elements.
+gothicsoulflower (Dasia Denise) been into dark my whole life but discovered lolita few years back. so naturally I wear mostly gothic lolita myself. kuro lolita, being just black ,as opposed to regular gothic lolita which is black and say deep burgundy for example, seems to be more of what they were going for but went awry on. Fill DE porcelain has a kuro\gothic lolita channel transformation which is what we lean more torwarda. Very elegant, black, with bars , or crosses etc. but cute video if you want to take a look. :)
Ooh, I will definitely take a look. That sounds amazing.
Sorry if it is weird for me to comment this long after but I think I know why the dress looked off. I believe she used an A-line petti with a cupcake dress... or even a babydoll petti ^^' I'm not quite sure but it looked like it ^^ Either A-line or cupcake is still a Lolita silhouette but when the dress is made for one type of petti and you use another it looks baaaaad (trust me I made that mistake when I started :P)
You're right, steampunk isn't goth. It's an offshoot of cyberpunk. I think the confusion comes in because the clothing is victorian, same as victorian/romantic goth.
I agree with you. It's like what the meme says: "Steampunk is what happens when Goths discover brown". Lol.
I Never heard that one before; I thought it was just "Slap a gear on it."
LOL!
This is the first video I've seen by you and your really pretty.
Aw. Thank you. :)
I agree with you on a lot of your points. I was wearing 'Goth' styles when I did not know it was Goth in the 80s. I am 47 now. (Even when I was a child I fought not to wear colors and even took black shoe dye to color my clothes. My mother was furious) So it is interesting to see what is considered Goth and what is not by today's fashion judgments. I agree that I would probably not consider Pinup or Pastel as Goth but offshoots of it. Still I am not one to say what is and is not 'really' Goth. But I am sure that a lot of younger people would not consider me Goth either now that I have moved from Victorian but into a more Boho-Goth style. (Think Stevie Nicks) All of the frills but less constricting! LOL Loved your vid. :)
Yes yes yes! It sounds like we share a similar goth style! I belly dance and that's a big influence on my own style. I love comfort and beauty, so I love the dark bohemian, Stevie Nicks style. Some may not see this style as goth, but I certainly do. Thanks for watching and commenting on the video. I'm happy that you enjoyed it. :)
ughhh I love you immediately lol
Thank you! :)
Nice to see older goThs
I would rather use creepy~cute instead of pastel goth and I think it fits better, NU goth for me is like a basic, normal-fashion-like and I don't really like it, it looks like a "proper goth".
I prefer the messy hair, the big shirts, chains, the ripped fabric, the spooky makeup and how intimidating it looks
i dont think steampunk is goth but i guess it kinda depends as u could dress in a preppy steampunk or a gothic steampunk style or even just have elements of steampunk in ur outfit to express urself
I can see how people think Steampunk may be goth (when goths discovered brown, lol). But unfortunately it's just a completely separate genre - it doesn't even have "goth" in the name. Hmmm, Steamgoth maybe? :)
The goth subculture originated in a music scene called positive punk. It centered around Goth Rock, Deathrock, Post punk, Darkwave, Coldwave, aka ''the batcave club.'' Bands such as Bauhaus, Blood and Roses, Alien Sex Fiend, Christian Death, Specimen, Siouxsie and the banshees, etc started it all. Since it was all about the music, it was about creating your own clothes. Unfortunately, the 1990's media had to make the label very known, sabotaging its reputation; this was do to the rise of new heavy metal and gangster goth trends. Most goths today, although much less in number, are a propagation of the 90's goth trends. There are many more annoying goth trends today that are less mainstream. Unfortunately, most goths are not doing anything to support Goth Rock and Deathrock musicians. All metal head goths, cyber goths, Nu goths, and pastel goths are all goths. Goth is too fluid a definition and everybody gets included, making underground genre tags pretty much useless.
I disagree with "most goths are not doing anything to support Goth Rock and Deathrock musicians". Of course there are some, but there are plenty of goths supporting their music. Outside of attending shows and purchasing their music and videos, what more can be done? I do agree that goth is becoming too fluid, which is not a problem until it strays away from the music and the appreciation of darkness. I do see that happening currently, but it's happened before and those in it to be trendy will get bored and move on to the next thing.
pin up is like psychobilly...not really goth.
True.
+gothicsoulflower (Dasia Denise) lolita did look like a straight up costume. I don't know any goth lolitas but I know that lolitas do put more effort into it like us other goths.
They didn't get it right at all. Gothic lolita has nothing to do with western goth. No strong music associations, different aesthetic, etc. Gothic lolita is a substyle of lolita, not of goth, they just share some elements.
The makeup was atrocious in the video. Old gothic lolitas did very natural Japanese makeup, as in some mascara, a hint of blush and that was it. Modern (or OTT/over the top) gothic lolitas also don't look like the video at all. They have a feminine dolly look, which is still all about the eyes and cutesy. They don't tend to shade under the eyes at all, and the brows should be really soft, not harsh like this. That really shitty "geisha lip" looking bs is more racist stereotyping than anything else. The wig was goddawful, the sausage curls were too thin, and not even a popular look for gothic. And you never show your petticoat, that's just in bad taste, not that she was even wearing the right kind. She needed a cupcake or A-line petticoat, her dress was limp.
They actually messed up the majority of the substyles. And confused related styles for goth. Steampunk is not goth. Rockabilly is not goth. (Gothabilly and some psychobilly is) Pinup is not goth. These things can be related or share elements, but they aren't goth. The only non-goth style that made sense was punk, because goth came from that.
I agree that Steampunk, Rockabilly, and Pin Up aren't goth. But I thought they got Trad, Romantic right. The clothes were a bit costumey, but it's a 4 minute video, so it wasn't too serious for me. I don't know much about Gothic Lolita and your comments regarding that is interesting.
+gothicsoulflower (Dasia Denise) Trad and romantic were okay, but they felt cheap. I realize it's a low budget type production so I'm a bit over critical, but its just such a shame the poorly researched parts really stood out to me. Trad and Romantic felt alright, just a bit cliche, definitely not the worst, you're right. They just felt sort of like they're cosplays of the style, you know? With the costumey cheap ebay version of goth. It's like crow makeup in clothing form.
Everyone is definitely free to have their own take, like with the steampunk debate (I only say it's not because most steampunks either identify as their own thing/fantasy historical fashion, or as a form of romantic punk rather than goth)
Thanks for responding, I liked your video, you have a sweet and open minded approach that this bitter old crow appreciates, haha.
Nu Goth is gorgeous! Minus the pentagram!
I like that they started with Punk. Romantic was alright. Slightly costumish but not bad and mostly accurate. Cyber Goth was done fairly accurate save for the dreads. Pastel they got right I believe. Steampunk isn't Goth. It is its own subculture and more of a cousin to Goth. Pin-up, I think they meant Gothabilly but that looked more like Rockabilly. As for Nu Goth. I thought it looked alright. It didn't look hipster really, more like Hippie. Which makes sense. Hippies did influence Goth a lot as they were around the same time period.
I actually really like the Romantic Goth, even if it was a bit costumey. Probably because I love long skirts and flowy things. You didn't think the dreads for Cyber Goth was correct? Were they too bright? Not full enough? I'm just curious.
gothicsoulflower
Heh. I'm similar. I'm a fan of Victorian Goth and Military Goth personally fashion wise.
Well I recall some Cyber Goth friends and a few other TH-camrs pointing them out. I personally can't say much on it, Cyber Goth isn't exactly my expertise. But something about the wrong materials I believe.
Trad goth is everything there needs to be more of it imo .... Im about to start a prayer circle n bring her back TBH
As a Gothic Lolita myself I can say the make up wasn't quite right it went a bit too doll like but she nailed the dress
I had no idea there were different types or styles of goth....
Yep. Goth style has grown quite a bit even though certain styles really aren't goth. But I've been digging the convo so far. :)
I'm sorry, they botched Gothic Lolita 😭
the dress was very costume-y and there weren't any accessories
and no one wears hair or makeup like that! it just makes me upset :c
Oh no. Sorry. :(
gothicsoulflower sorry I got worked up haha 😅
No worries. I completely understand. :)
***** Yes omg, its so terrible it makes me gag
lowkey wanna cry XD
Neo-goth is to live for.
I'm a goth myself and some of it was quite in acurate . I don't think pin up is goth
love
Thank you!
They did Romantic Goth but not Victorian Goth. They forgot one oops. Love your video though :D
the death rock wasn't even death rock,death rockers men and women generally wear a death hawk wether black or a different color.death rock is a mix of punk and goth culture it came kinda 1980 or so
Correct. There's a "roughness" to death rock that I felt was missing.
Hmm. You make a good point. She did look like Nina Hagen, actually.
Hmm some of those are on point and some not so much I believe they should have got really people who live the life style pose for this video ESPECIALLY the Deathrock never ever seen someone with that hair!
steam punk it's self is not goth but does have its own goth section
Really? Didn't know that.
gothicsoulflower yeah steam punk can be every broud when it come to some sub categories.
last goth would be best for me or some cyber
I do like Nu-Goth fashion wise, but goth has to be connected to the music. Maybe we can take that style back and make it really goth? (I may be there already, lol.)
gothicsoulflower lol....i guess
oh my goodness, you are just so adorable and badass
I think nu goth isn't just the "hipster" version of goth. It's just a more modern style. Fashion evolves with time.
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No Black Metal?
Nope. Black Metal and Goth are two completely different genres. Black Metal is a style of heavy metal, ofc.
Yeah both are tied by Post Punk
They are, but they're still two separate genres. Of course, there's goth metal but I personally I like doom metal. :)
Nu goth are basically witches like me haha
I have always wanted to be goth.... But I am poor, lazy and hated wearing make up for 90% of my life. Nu goth kind of gave me an in. But what they showed there as nu goth looked more like witchy goth or as i have heard some ppl call it occult goth??? If i could even call myself a goth i would be a bumgoth lazygothlolol
Nu goth is just a darker version of today’s fashion.
I think steampunk can be goth, but not all steampunk is goth
THEY DID FORGET EMO THO
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