*Happy... Friday! I'm currently editing podcasts off a not great secondary computer of mine so it's been giving me issues with getting these out on time! At this rate, we might become a Friday podcast!* 😅
I feel your pain. My main computer (ONLY computer and how I watch your videos) is one my friend game to me in 2015. He got it from his job, but had a WAY better laptop he used, so he gave it to me. It's an office PC from...2010...😭😭😭
@@apsamplifier I actually personally really like the Friday releases, but hope things get better with editing! I hate when I end up needing to use my old potato for processing heavy work.
While I do think players should at least be fairly compensated for topping at events, Chris and Paul are right that nothing will change because the player base doesn’t care to make it change. When Konami sees players showing up even when prize support is trash, decks are becoming more and more overpowered, and sets are still being purchased why fix anything on their end. Personally once the tins drop, I’m gonna take a break from buying new cards and focus on Lorcana and Magic not because I don’t enjoy playing Yu-Gi-Oh anymore but I’m looking for a more back and forth experience which the current card design doesn’t support as much outside of playing with friends or having a good match up by sheer luck.
Fr so many players willing dropping 1k+ on snake eye and fiendsmith cores for tournaments knowing there is no cash prizing and then complaining about it afterward. Come on if you want things to change that ain’t how to go about it dog. I’ve tried plenty of mtg and digimon and while I enjoy both games they aren’t yugioh so I just dont have the passion for them. Thankfully our area has goat and Edison communities so I’ve spent most of my time plying those instead of modern during the snake eye formats. Much better and still yugioh.
I think if we cant do cash prizes, just make either alt art cards that you can only get winning, or alt art giant cards ect Playable new art & exclusive art to put up on your wall i think would be good
I don't think YGO will come to an end. BUT the competitive scene could die out if cash prizing isn't on the table going further. There are way more card games out now more than ever in North America and majority give cash prizing (Poke 1st Place Regional winner earns $10K). YGO needs incentives for players to compete.
Where are these expectations of prizes coming from though? the game has always been a casual card collector, there’s no one in yugioh who has made any amount of money in total in tournaments that would be enough to live on. If you look at other games, and even other tcg they have precedents of high cash payouts, but yugioh hasn’t at any point. These events are just for fun, and not for sweats to make a living. Looking at these people expecting big payouts when you can look at the event pages still and see what they are promised beforehand. These are false expectations players are putting on themselves. there’s no reason for Konami to cater to these people when they aren’t even the people who they make money off of (buying singles for decks). They make money off the casual players who buy several boxes just for the fun of cracking packs, which from all nearby players I’ve seen seems like the majority
@@ozmcsween Now hold on. A lot of the big players buy cases at a time. It's the big competitors and the vendors that dig through cases for resale value. That being said, Konami's *printing practices* need to be SEVERELY revised.
I say we shouldn’t write off cash prizes. We gotta call a spade a spade. Decks go for $800 to $1000 let alone shipping. It’s not worth it to be good at this game.
Are you really good at the game if everyone is running around with the same deck? The good players are those that flourish in those water with their own deck
@@al99901If everyone is running the same deck then that means you gotta be a better player than everyone else with said deck to win. So yeah it is still called being good at the game.
@napplepapple Konami keeps designing sets with a handful of broken chase cards and a ton of cards that are useless in a tournament. You see way more deck variety in games like magic or Pokémon because they actually reset the meta every season and design more balanced sets.
The thing about comparing prices of prizing in one piece to yugioh is that Bandai doesn’t set the price, but the players. They are only worth so much because people are willing to pay it
Same with YGO, Im not a fan of komoney but those prize card are valued by the players. You cant blame them because no one wants to buy it. Also different companies have a different set of rules to adhere to when it comes to prizing.
@@SoulOfTheLostWarriorMooCatKonami could make more appealing cards though, alt arts or exclusive rarities of popular or chase cards would get much more attention than the anotherverse cards. The problem with that line is that no one has the emotional attachment to them to want to buy them. They are only worth having if you’ve earned them for the story of how you got them and that’s it.
@@ducky36F This is ygo, the people actually buying the cards have no attachment to anything that isnt meta or top tier. With that said, I do agree to some extent but again, the community runs the market. So thosealt arts, exclusive rarities, or chase cards could be deemed as not worth it and youre back to square one.
I'll go ahead and drop the unpopular take. Konami never promised money or value for tournaments. Konami provides tournaments so people that want to get together and prove their skill with the hobby can do so. Complaining about Konami not offering better prizing would be like me going to a laser tag place regularly, getting incredibly good at laser tag, and then being mad the laser tag place won't pay me for my skill. Hobbies are hobbies, not jobs. If you aren't having fun or if the hobby is costing you more than you are comfortable with, you should step away and find something else that makes you happier/fits in your budget.
people are viewing the situation wrong, many players 'feel like' Ko-money is dis-respecting the top best players, it's basically saying even if you got good you'll be clowned on. How you treat your 'top best customers' is how you treat all your customers basically. Also multiple seasons on the TV Show literally center around tournaments, The idea that you could enter one in real life and be treated like this? And they're a million dollar company.. This isn't a Etsy indy project..
If it's only about proving who is the best then it shouldn't cost anything to enter. If I am paying an entrance fee for an event there is an expectation that doing well would have some sort of return. This isn't a Konami thing it's a universal thing. If I told you about a Poker tournament that had a $50 entrance fee you would naturally ask me what the prize for first is. Konami is the only TCG throwing big tournaments like this and not offering $$$ as a prize. There is an industry standard and they are the only ones who aren't even attempting to meet it.
@@Justiceinall Most hobbies have a cost and time investment with no expectation of reward. People travel far to golf with no expectation of ever joining the PGA. People drive and pay to play paintball. Paying for entrance into the tournament is to pay for the venue and overhead (any employees, insurance, etc), not for a betting pot.
Too much entitlement these days, no one owes you anything. If you want to make a living from being a "pro", there's other opportunities that come with playing at a high level. Unfortunately, complaining on social media doesn't do anything and only makes you look worse. Also, please no more "I quit" videos, no one cares lol
I legit just downloaded Master Duel the other week. Made my first yugioh deck on there. Played my first game on there. And now I’m sleeving up my first paper deck go get ready to bring to locals. I understand metas in games. I have done a ton of research on the current meta of THIS game. I understand that fiendsmith/snake eyes is a little too good. I understand that the prize support isn’t as great as other games, but I feel like it’s unfair to say that matters that much to anyone other than top players. I’m excited about the game. I’m climbing the ladder with my Galaxy Eyes deck on MD. I’m excited to bring it to locals even though it’s not meta. And I’m not expecting to win. What the people at the top are complaining about literally only applies to winners. Thousands of players attend regionals….. and only 8 of them are too 8. Less than 1% of people get prize support. And let’s be honest, less than 1% of people are EXPECTING to get prize support. They know they aren’t getting anything. From what I see attendance is up as well, meaning that new people ARE interested. The hype IS there. I saw so many videos about the EU tournament. I was excited about it. As someone who is on the complete other side of her argument…. I really just don’t see their argument. Can prize support be BETTER? Sure. Can some cards get banned? Sure (and it’s coming). But is it really KILLING new players interest in the game? I don’t think so. If anything, the fact that new people are winning in the EU just shows that.
Just started playing again and I see it the exact same way. It’s for the fun and experience not with the only goal of getting some prize. The game is a lot easier to learn than people make it sound so it’s hard to imagine what a “top” player really does other than playing the meta supported archetype.
@@ozmcsween I know for a fact that someone who is considered a top player is 10000% better than me. Even in games like hearthstone which are much more simple has a gulf between good players and bad players. But the argument of “prize support” really only applies for people who win. Winners wanting to win more basically. SHOULD there be better prize support with unique card arts and stuff? Sure that would be sick, but would that REALLY make new players join the game? I don’t think so. The only crowd that would win over are people who know they can win.
For what it's worth, in the OCG, especially in Japan, giving out a cash price for something can be considered a form of gambling. So, in a case like that, it would restrict the number of people that could not only enter but may also be considered illegal, considering how Japan treats gambling for some things.
There is no excuse for a game of this magnitude and market share to have worse prize support than games that are way smaller. Flesh and Blood TCG is giving $1.5 Million Dollars in Organized Play support this year and its ran by a tiny studio in New Zealand.
After MHA's ending not even Deku's creator would put Deku on his own Mt. Rushmore. Also that's hilarious, Paul giving a spot to Hibino Kafka. Paul saw 12 episodes and was like "I've seen enough, put him on there, he's one of the GOATS!". (I do love him too though) Also I'd still have to put Gon Freecss/Hunter x Hunter over Yusuke/Yu Yu Hakusho but good shounen Mt Rushmore. I want to love Bleach but I just feel like Tite Kubo just doesn't put enough respect on the long term side characters. They always get outscaled immediately. Also thanks for answering my question, gonna ask more now! It was fun to see your reasoning. I do think the complexity is a big deal though, people could literally not figure out how the easiest game Pokemon TCG worked as kids! Impossible to find even 1 friend at school to play it with, let alone Yu-Gi-Oh 2024.
Tbh the problem that the franchise is facing is the pricing and the powercreep. Casuals players, dont care about pro's quitting and I think content creators from EU and USA are focusing more in get you to think that prize support is a problem, when, in fact, the vast majority of people plying this game are casuals, and casuals don't neccesary play table 500 decks, they might play a meta deck, but since they have other responsibilities they might dont do as well as people who have more time to spend in ygo. There is a great Mexican Yugituber, El Tio Derpy, that explained this in a great way.
Real, no one care about some dude quitting the game because he dont earn money going to tournement, casual are still the core buyers. But i think they should make a nice prize for the winner, my idea was to give the winner the opportunity to choose a card and get 3 copy of it with an alt artwork made just for him. That's not money but could be sold for a lot if he doesnt want them and it's a really nice prize if he want to keep them that doesn't turn the game into gambling.
The game is just too far unbalanced to be playable as someone whos played for 2 years. Sensible adults cant buy meta decks every single year for prices like $1000. Especially if there isnt any real incentive to play the game. Kids dont even play the game anymore. They have one type of customer who only likes the game because of nostalgia but money is an actual concern to them. Make every deck more playable instead of releasing trash new strategies and clogging up sets with 90% bulk. Give support to every deck like pokemon and sales will go up and more people will be happy. its only "Pro" players that care about tier 0 formats and those people dont buy boxes and make the game horrible for everyone else. Sooner or later it will only be pro players at events because noone will enjoy the game other that those that get something meaningful out of winning. Yugioh is not hard to win at if you buy the latest deck. Konami literally makes it easy af for you to win if youre playing tier 0..not skillfull
I think alternate art of good cards being prizes is a genius idea. It keeps it's exclusivity while also allowing playability for the average person who can get the regular cards.
I think they should make a nice prize for the winner, my idea was to give the winner the opportunity to choose a card and get 3 copy of it with an alt artwork made just for him. That's not money but could be sold for a lot if he doesnt want them and it's a really nice prize if he want to keep them that doesn't turn the game into gambling.
There are no such things as pro yugioh players because proffesional means its their professions. yugioh does not give out money so no, they arent pros.
To clarify my question, I think I wrote “TCG players/CCs”, which CCs means “content creators” not “card collectors”. I really appreciate you guys’ answer to my question too!
i think the real issue here is like you guys said: "pro" play is created by community interest. If Konami believe that it is useful marketing tool to promote pro play, they would support it, but the reality is its not. (Look at basically every card game's attempt to push a pro scene crash and burn, like Mtg or Hearthstone for example). Sports generate money through selling tickets, sponsorship etc. But Yu-Gi-Oh isnt really a spectator sport. sure, enfranchised players may follow tournament results, but realistically who is going to pay to see a YGO tournament? the pro scene generates basically no money, and until it does, or until konami believes in its potential to market the game, it wont go out of its way to support it. I know it sucks but the reality is you don't have a right to make money or profit from something just because you're good at it. you need to be generating some value for whoever is paying you, which unfortunately this doesn't (or not enough).
There are better Organized Play systems that treat players who want to play at the pinnacle much better. Why not reward the players who are the most invested in playing your game.
The rules of Yugioh where to complex when I was a kid. When I came back to the game as a older teenager I was shocked to learn that mystical space thyphoon doesn't negate card effects. 😂
That was something that blew my mind as well when I starting playing again. That and learning all the Solemn counter trap differences, NOW THAT was a pain to wrap my head around😂
The thing is, if Jessica won first place the tournament do you think she still would have quit yugioh? Or is she only doing this because she wasnt happy she didn't get anything for getting top 8? How far should the prize line be stretched? Should Konami give a prize to the top 100 players? Or just stop strictly at top 8? I think this is the part that I don't agree with. Despite Konami not giving top 8 a prize I don't think it warranted a video of that magnitude. She was sort of calling Konami out. I think like most people, she is frustrated with the state of the game this was the last straw that broke the camel's back. I don't think it was about her not getting anything for top 8. It sounds like a mix of the state of the game and burn out. She says that she's only quitting competitive so it almost confirms that it's just burn out.
Kinda the equivalent of the Genshin Impact Boycott. Everyone has their thoughts of the game and dislikes where it's going or is at, but people are still supporting it and going to tourneys so there's no reason for Konami to listen or change.
We've known for decades now that Yu-Gi-Oh! will never be the "win money" game, but it seems like when YCS first started they used to have better, competitive promo cards as prizes but they slowly moved away that over the years. It's a fine line in Yu-Gi-Oh! because people don't want the best cards locked behind prize support and simply putting out an alternate art is difficult because that's nothing new to this game, either, and really given meta changes and collector mentality that determines the secondary market the whole "win promo, sell for money" tactic only can go so far. I think it's a difference of what is a 25 year old game versus these other games that are only a year or more old and have a "new hotness" feel. One Piece is hot right now, very popular, but how are things going to be in say five years when they're putting out another alt art Luffy card? Will it still see as much return? Same with Lorcana, there's demand now, but we're going to have to wait and see what happens next.
01:10:26 if Yu-Gi-Oh came out today, I think magic and Pokémon would have a little too big of a stranglehold and other Card games would beat it up in popularity however I do think it’s also worth considering since I admittedly am more of an anime guy in this hypothetical world would Yu-Gi-Oh! be perceived as a Shonen Jump anime or a card game to sell stuff Anime ? Because half of the Yu-Gi-Oh community is basically just nostalgia people not exclusively for the card game, but for the anime and manga as well and joy for the Dark Magician isn’t just because it’s a sort of strange archetype that likes spell counters and a weird unworldly level seven guy but because it’s used by a little relatable, guy who’s brave and may not be good at fighting, but certainly knows his way around the local game corner who uses his extensive awkward nerd knowledge to do the right thing. And not to mention, Yu-Gi-Oh! is adjacent to dragon ball and one piece of Naruto and Yugi is invited generally to the Shonen Jump cook out I don’t know if that’s true of Vrains or Sevens but… in the world where it comes out and it is held up alongside modern jump series, I think Yugioh might stand a chance
We have been talking about about jess quitting for weeks now on this pod and your videos. Infact everyone has been talking about this to. I play completive pokemon online and I wouldn't of been able to tell you how much it cost to enter a regional. Gallee I wouldn't of never guess it cost 80 bucks. I would of assume it was the price of a yugioh event like 20 max. I guess that is how pokemon can give out much better prize support.
To be fair to the entry though, there are different entry packages you can buy and you get more stuff. Your entry package alone could pay for your entry if you sell it.
Pokémon and wizards of the coast also have more money than god which are both things forgotten in this discussion. Yugioh is pretty much the card game alone at this point which is almost certainly not what props up the prizing for the other two.
When will Konami pull the plug and reboot the game? Other games do it with set rotations, I’d love some of the newer anime based decks like shining sarc’ or exodia, maybe rain in yubel a bit, to have a chance, because they’re descent but not super broken. Maybe it would be easier to make a list of cards that aren’t banned, limiting the pool. Or we just begin again and focus more on vanillas and learn from the mistakes of the past and prevent such broken formats.
1:09:25 here’s the thing about when we were kids, we didn’t play properly we played the way we saw in the anime! So if it was released with the power level of today it wouldn’t matter because we’d still play the way we saw in the anime. So yes 100% would still play. I didn’t play no goat format when I was a kid and I wouldn’t be playing no fiendsmith snake eye format either.
Replace the the Nintendo Switch with either A. A exclusive YGO prize edition decorated Switch or B. A YGO themed decorated Gaming PC and suddenly you have a big cash item bidders will bid fight over.
Just started playing again a month ago after not playing since 2013. Ive only been playing on master duel, and I do have to say, the game has sped up an insane amount. Duels over in like 2-3 turns. Hearing the gripes the community has with the current format sucks and the cost of meta decks being $1000 guarantees i wont be going to any locals and will just stick to Master Duel
I can agree with that player on why they are quitting. The format isn't really that good and it's not that rewarding but the political issues is what I don't understand or agree with
TeamAPS alumni in the building 🏆 Listen; one of the biggest elephants in the room is the fact based off of Chris's comment, "She uses the same deck, consistently" A simple rule over ratio is bound to surface, eventually If you run 60; you should be able to win using 60 DIFFERENT cards, all relative to your strategy If you run 50 ..... If you are running 40, you've got it in the bag 💯 NO DUPLICATEs or TRIPLICATEs of any card in any deck!! Unless THEEE FUSION monster(s) require multiple copies, there is NO REASON duelists cannot balance consistency using the entire, vast, massive card pool Synchro summoning does not require multiple copies of anything XYZ summoning does not require multiple copies of anything Link summoning does not require multiple copies of anything Call it what you want; slow & gimmicky, too ANIME-based (BRUH, IT'S ANIME!!!!) ... you CANNOT complain about originality & authenticity when you literally jam the same cycle of complete game demoralizing, hand checking, cock blocking, cotton picking annoyances into the new hottest archetype to CHEAT out your next "turbo" win 💯 Facts; you're not a champion, you're a loophole. Not authentic 🙏🏾 It's funny that everything that isn't in the META is simply considered "anti-META", or a "gimmick"; when every single archetype begs to have lore in Yu-Gi-Oh 🤦🏾♂️ All these archetypes have been treasured because of their authenticity!!! Run your META section the way you like; make a balanced sector of Yu-Gi-Oh for the ones who big brain REAL strategy, instead of facing the same phony ass META drones 🙏🏾 Like, how the hell do we expect new duelists to wanna stay in the game learning with an everlasting handicap?? They're forced to pick up momentum at light speed, or graduate themselves up a ladder they will literally never see the end of. It has always been the THRILL of the game that captivated us. We owe it to all duelists to develop in all aspects How exactly is a Link-1 Blue-Eyes dragon supposed to help a duelist who has no idea what Ash Blossom is? New ass whuppin on my page!!!! Good luck duelists
Top prizes should just be 1 of a kind Alternate Art anime adjacent cards, or set of 9, whatever or however you want to split it between top 8. Example: Dark Magician, BEWD, REBD, Utopia, Odd-Eyes, Code Talkers etc. Theres so many to choose from. Theyd have their $ worth, collectiblity AND is playable if the person was brave enough to pull up to locals with their YCS champ BEWD Artwork. Doesn't even have to be the main protag cards, rivals, signature spells, etc. Its literally that easy. Top 8 losing a booster box though for a switch is crazy 😂 (this comment is super late to the video)
Also that idea that Konami never wanted pro players is a load of crap. The fact that there is a world championship since 2004 says a lot so you can put that take in the trash cuz that's not at all true not to mention there is now a world's grind in the Yu-Gi-Oh master duel client that has you grind for 72 hours straight and you can only go to the world championship if you are the number one player in your region so stop that.
46:52 I live in Finland (it is one of the EU countries), and here you can buy Disney Lorcana from local card stores but, those are not sell really well yet, in here Finland. Top cardgame products that sell better than Lorcana in here Finland are now: -Pokemon TCG -MTG -Digimon TCG -Final Fantasy TCG -One Piece CG -Sorcery TCG -Flesh & Blood TCG
If you're allowed to make a living off of valerant off of fortnite off of so many other other games out there that are in the esports category and now that Yu-Gi-Oh master duel has its own client and is considered an esport there is no excuse why you can't make a living / make money
I just wanna say, at least with Pokémon, tournament entries at regional and up might be more expensive but a top meta deck will only run you around $100 if you don't feel the need to bling it out with full art variants and what not and that's not even most meta decks either. Compared to Yugioh where any meta deck will run you $100's to $1000+. I will gladly take paying $50 more to enter a regional with that in mind.
Hello, I just wanted to say I love all of you and your friends. You're all adorable and fantastic and inspired me to teach my wife how to play yugioh and to get a lot of our friends together to play again after years and years of not playing. It's been super fun. However, it is depressing to see stores now drop the products😢. Stay positive, yall ❤❤ and again thank you for being inspiring.
Konami is a multibillion $$ company, they can afford prize monies - even in the hundreds of thousands. Be great if Konami invested on this culture that could be up there with Magic.
I took the first question as would you have gotten into Yu-Gi-Oh as a kid if when it released instead of Blue Eyes and DM, Yugi was link summoning 15 monsters a turn lol
Josh Schmidt (and Jesse Kotten to a lesser extent) debunked most of the things Jess said in her video. Jessica got to go to Japan, expenses mostly paid, got a 'goodie' bag worth like 2-4k (as Josh explained). She did not go empty handed. Yes, the general prize support could be better, that much no one is debating.. but she was a little too much woe is me and exaggerating a LOT, acting like people were leaving in mass and such. All she accomplished was causing a lot of drama.
Giving bags worth 2-4K to a handful of people doesn't fix the system. If it costs 300$ or more to build a deck, people can't afford that cost without anything to show for it but a good time. Thats the business plan for hookers btw. The cost of the game needs to go down by a fucking lot. 1000$ to build a top rated deck, thats more than some people make in 2 weeks of work, hell at my old job I made 1200 a month. Thats damn near a whole months pay on fucking cardboard. With no way to really get anything out of those cards.
If a cut of the entry fee was going into a pool for prize money, it might be good for pros for a bump. If the prize cards were Alts or single print Alts that you could resell for their great rarity, it might help too.
24:27 As far as prizing goes, Konami out here giving the equivalent of a pizza party to players that were never promised a profit for playing yugioh well at a high level
I think a big part is the power creep. The meta currently feels so close to being varied enough to allow any type of deck to be a winner. But, this game is best when a player's creativity with different cards give you a leg up.
😂 Konami could always make GOAT official format and then wall off that area with a retro style booster list. It would probably force a cut off of escalation....or breed a second kind of power creep.
I'm quitting. I'm not some known player or anything but I've been in the game for 4 or 5 years now. I just don't love this game anymore. Atleast not playing it. I'm not having fun anymore and thats the most important part of a game is having fun. If I can't have fun I'm not going to play. The reasons I'm not having fun is to much to count and I really don't want to elaborate because quite a bit of it is the same reasons for others leaving, I'm not competing at the highest levels so prizing doesn't factor in I'll say that much.
Would I play modern Yu-Gi-Oh if I was a kid today. Unfortunately probably not. A good chunk of my friends and family members have kids. And unfortunately almost all of them seem to have even heard of Yu-Gi-Oh. What makes this even sadder is the 2 siblings that did got a structure deck (1 for both of them). Then they got immediately destroyed in their local card shop. According to my friend they haven't really gone back since. So it's extremely unlikely for the average kid these days to ever pick Yu-Gi-Oh out of every other hobby or game in the market these days
Could have a special pack that top cut gets that has 3 random anime characters as starlights with 20 different characters cards to pull from, similar to the ots packs but just for the ycs. DM 1, DM 2, DM 3, GX 1, GX 2 GX 3 etc maybe 5D 1 could contain everyone's king as a startlight for jacks card. Collectors would go nuts trying to collect them all. You open your DM 1 pack and you pull "the true pharaoh" "the ruler of dragons" and "the dancer of dreams" you will know you have hit it big. Maybe people could even create a human deck for fun.
I'm about 30 minutes in and maybe ya'll discuss this later but burning questions and comments and all that jazz. So I think the reason Yugioh (as a casual collector since 2002) on the competitive level over the past 5-10 years has that proverbial lens on it is for sure because of other card game competition. However, the other big thing is cost. Yugioh is very MTG like with product production year over year with cards not holding a ton of value - outside of staples that ramp up deck costs. For competitive players - that's tough, especially with inflation impacting all of us. I think that has been more impactful to the conversation than the super success of One Piece where participation prizing is valuable simply because it's SO hard to get into those events because of demand. So if you're going to have to drop $500 - $1000 on a competitive YUGIOH deck - travel & play (as a hobby!) the potential for rewards should be relatively significant - especially as one of the big 3.
The irony of the Anime having Uber rich characters ( Seto / Pegasus) setting up tournaments, season after season with stellar prizes. Why doesn’t Konami offer unreleased products (the polarizing metal cards, Seto brief case, etc…) as top prizes? Or even autographed items from anime or manga artist/ actors?
I think Yugioh players want more money for playing card games because the economy. People want more money period nowadays. From QBs in the NFL to Cashiers at BK, people see someone getting paid more for the same job, they wanna get paid more. If someone can play 1 card game at a certain level and get paid for it, why can’t they play this card game at the same level and get paid for it?
There’s zero reason why starlight sheets and better prize cards can’t be prizing for the best performers, especially when starlight sheets are already side event prizes. Konami feet dragging on this is so typical.
Something I heard floating around for a potential idea for prizing is custom giant cards for the winner. They can get whatever card they want in a giant card/oversized card AND I think they can even choose any rarity including premium or discontinued rarities
The field spell that negates that resolution is cool. I play Vernusylph and the Goddess has a monster negate at resolution, but she needs 4 other earth on the field to trigger. Glad to see a third card that triggers the same way
40:00 The issue is that Yugioh players have been accepting an abusive format management structure since the very beginning, ever since Konami discovered they could use the banlist as a way to change the format. That's not what a banlist is for. Banlists are supposed to be used sparingly to remove problem cards which slip through design and testing and are breaking the format. But Konami use it to arbitrarily stop players from using the best decks so that they have to buy the next best decks. Players will spend hundreds of dollars on a deck only for it to be banned months later and why? It likely wasn't tier 0, but there are new competitive decks that need to be sold. Yugioh players have just been conditioned to accept that this is the way a game is supposed to work
the abusive format management structure of the game is one problem in a much larger machine of problems with the game (although that is a large factoring part of it as well), Yu-Gi-Oh as a game is doomed to be what it is now forever more because the game is designed horribly and that's coming from someone who played since 2001 until Albaz. because there's no resources or limitations on what you can do and because everything made has to get stronger then what came before in order for people to buy the cards, if you have it in hand, you can play it. and because everything has to do more and more and more, it leads to what we have now, where 2 players fight eachother in 1 singular turn to decide who wins. one card combo's for player 1 (first turn) and hand traps for player 2 (second turn) and if player 2 can survive till their turn, they win. Sprites, Kashtira, Tearlaments, Ishizu, snake-eyes, fiendsmith, Yubel they are all examples of what the game inevitably boils down too when you reach the apex of the problems. and even then, the apex just gets higher because it has too for cards to sell. but if you suggest fixing the game, if you suggest even attempting to fix the design issues with Yu-Gi-Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh players will reject them without question because "this is how it's always been, it would be stupid to try and change it".
@@MTGDuelist8870 Well yeah, all that is true about the power creep but I was just responding to what Paul said at 40:00 about players forgetting their frustrations every time a new ban list is revealed. They see the ban list as a positive thing but to me looking in from the outside, the ban list is mainly used to remove from the meta those tier 1 decks which are still viable but are not being sold anymore in the current set. Occasionally it happens that the ban list serves its original purpose to hit a tier 0 deck like Tearlaments but the results are always the same. The ban list shouldn’t be the main mechanism driving format change in a game. It makes the game uncertain and expensive
@@ilyafoskin oh i agree 100%. hell sometimes the banlist just does nothing, and people will just see the current problem finally get hit by the banlist and just be happy one problem is out the door only to get faced with the next one and it starts all over again. it's just abusive and unhealthy for the game but like you said, players have been conditioned into believing that "hey, that's how it is". stockholm syndrome.
*Happy... Friday! I'm currently editing podcasts off a not great secondary computer of mine so it's been giving me issues with getting these out on time! At this rate, we might become a Friday podcast!* 😅
I feel your pain. My main computer (ONLY computer and how I watch your videos) is one my friend game to me in 2015. He got it from his job, but had a WAY better laptop he used, so he gave it to me. It's an office PC from...2010...😭😭😭
You’ll be smarter and better informed if you don’t watch trash like MSNBC making excuses for corpos and incompetent government
@@apsamplifier I actually personally really like the Friday releases, but hope things get better with editing! I hate when I end up needing to use my old potato for processing heavy work.
If they had to change Maxx c in the tcg it would have to be a hard "once per duel effect"
While I do think players should at least be fairly compensated for topping at events, Chris and Paul are right that nothing will change because the player base doesn’t care to make it change. When Konami sees players showing up even when prize support is trash, decks are becoming more and more overpowered, and sets are still being purchased why fix anything on their end.
Personally once the tins drop, I’m gonna take a break from buying new cards and focus on Lorcana and Magic not because I don’t enjoy playing Yu-Gi-Oh anymore but I’m looking for a more back and forth experience which the current card design doesn’t support as much outside of playing with friends or having a good match up by sheer luck.
Fr so many players willing dropping 1k+ on snake eye and fiendsmith cores for tournaments knowing there is no cash prizing and then complaining about it afterward.
Come on if you want things to change that ain’t how to go about it dog.
I’ve tried plenty of mtg and digimon and while I enjoy both games they aren’t yugioh so I just dont have the passion for them. Thankfully our area has goat and Edison communities so I’ve spent most of my time plying those instead of modern during the snake eye formats. Much better and still yugioh.
@@ducky36F I refuse to play Fiendsmith at all. I'm sticking with experimenting on WATER-based strategies.
I think if we cant do cash prizes, just make either alt art cards that you can only get winning, or alt art giant cards ect
Playable new art & exclusive art to put up on your wall i think would be good
Shueisha needs to get the stick out of their backsides about cash prizing if they want Yu-Gi-Oh to stay relevant.
@@gabudaichamuda2545tournaments isn’t what keeps yugioh relevant, people I see getting back into it is from social aspects and nostalgia.
@@ozmcsween That's true, but competition also keeps the game fun to a degree.
Chris is right. Listening at work rn. Helps tremendously with how boring work can be XD. Team APS is the best team!
Oh God yes. Especially when you have a last second realization you overrode the current QB's file with one that's a year old.
The horror....
Been doing that since the start of this podcast series.
I don't think YGO will come to an end. BUT the competitive scene could die out if cash prizing isn't on the table going further. There are way more card games out now more than ever in North America and majority give cash prizing (Poke 1st Place Regional winner earns $10K). YGO needs incentives for players to compete.
They could make the winner choose a card and make 3 copies of an unique alt art just for him, that sound way better than turning the game into poker
@@axelt6312 "Turning the game into poker"? Oh get over yourself. Cash prizes are not a bad thing.
Where are these expectations of prizes coming from though? the game has always been a casual card collector, there’s no one in yugioh who has made any amount of money in total in tournaments that would be enough to live on. If you look at other games, and even other tcg they have precedents of high cash payouts, but yugioh hasn’t at any point. These events are just for fun, and not for sweats to make a living. Looking at these people expecting big payouts when you can look at the event pages still and see what they are promised beforehand. These are false expectations players are putting on themselves. there’s no reason for Konami to cater to these people when they aren’t even the people who they make money off of (buying singles for decks). They make money off the casual players who buy several boxes just for the fun of cracking packs, which from all nearby players I’ve seen seems like the majority
@@ozmcsween Now hold on. A lot of the big players buy cases at a time. It's the big competitors and the vendors that dig through cases for resale value.
That being said, Konami's *printing practices* need to be SEVERELY revised.
@@gabudaichamuda2545 they will revise their model when people stop buying them
Oh shit Chris is in this one that's dope
Yes, I quit 11 years ago.....
Why am I here? 🧐
😂 I never played to begin with. It's just funny and I like the artwork
It's nice to have Chris! It's gonna be a great pod!
I say we shouldn’t write off cash prizes. We gotta call a spade a spade. Decks go for $800 to $1000 let alone shipping. It’s not worth it to be good at this game.
real asf
Are you really good at the game if everyone is running around with the same deck? The good players are those that flourish in those water with their own deck
@@al99901If everyone is running the same deck then that means you gotta be a better player than everyone else with said deck to win. So yeah it is still called being good at the game.
At playing, but not at deck building. Which is half of card games.
@napplepapple Konami keeps designing sets with a handful of broken chase cards and a ton of cards that are useless in a tournament.
You see way more deck variety in games like magic or Pokémon because they actually reset the meta every season and design more balanced sets.
The thing about comparing prices of prizing in one piece to yugioh is that Bandai doesn’t set the price, but the players. They are only worth so much because people are willing to pay it
Same with YGO, Im not a fan of komoney but those prize card are valued by the players. You cant blame them because no one wants to buy it. Also different companies have a different set of rules to adhere to when it comes to prizing.
@@SoulOfTheLostWarriorMooCatKonami could make more appealing cards though, alt arts or exclusive rarities of popular or chase cards would get much more attention than the anotherverse cards. The problem with that line is that no one has the emotional attachment to them to want to buy them. They are only worth having if you’ve earned them for the story of how you got them and that’s it.
@@ducky36F This is ygo, the people actually buying the cards have no attachment to anything that isnt meta or top tier. With that said, I do agree to some extent but again, the community runs the market. So thosealt arts, exclusive rarities, or chase cards could be deemed as not worth it and youre back to square one.
New Blue-Eyes support is SOOO HYPE!🐲
It's so sad how far they will drag kaiba dead body for profit, they massacred the blue eyes😢
Oh yeah chris is here. Nice🎉
Not letting the guest draw from the pot was a missed opportunity.
Maybe next time!
The idea of dissuading competitive players from playing your game as a way of lowering card prices is hilarious. 😂
😂 listen if makes our cards cheaper....
I'll go ahead and drop the unpopular take. Konami never promised money or value for tournaments. Konami provides tournaments so people that want to get together and prove their skill with the hobby can do so. Complaining about Konami not offering better prizing would be like me going to a laser tag place regularly, getting incredibly good at laser tag, and then being mad the laser tag place won't pay me for my skill. Hobbies are hobbies, not jobs. If you aren't having fun or if the hobby is costing you more than you are comfortable with, you should step away and find something else that makes you happier/fits in your budget.
people are viewing the situation wrong, many players 'feel like' Ko-money is dis-respecting the top best players, it's basically saying even if you got good you'll be clowned on. How you treat your 'top best customers' is how you treat all your customers basically. Also multiple seasons on the TV Show literally center around tournaments, The idea that you could enter one in real life and be treated like this? And they're a million dollar company.. This isn't a Etsy indy project..
If it's only about proving who is the best then it shouldn't cost anything to enter. If I am paying an entrance fee for an event there is an expectation that doing well would have some sort of return. This isn't a Konami thing it's a universal thing. If I told you about a Poker tournament that had a $50 entrance fee you would naturally ask me what the prize for first is. Konami is the only TCG throwing big tournaments like this and not offering $$$ as a prize. There is an industry standard and they are the only ones who aren't even attempting to meet it.
@@Justiceinall Most hobbies have a cost and time investment with no expectation of reward. People travel far to golf with no expectation of ever joining the PGA. People drive and pay to play paintball. Paying for entrance into the tournament is to pay for the venue and overhead (any employees, insurance, etc), not for a betting pot.
Too much entitlement these days, no one owes you anything. If you want to make a living from being a "pro", there's other opportunities that come with playing at a high level. Unfortunately, complaining on social media doesn't do anything and only makes you look worse. Also, please no more "I quit" videos, no one cares lol
Based. That sad I have empathy for people who want to treat going pro as legitimate and viable choice. Same way sports can be a hobby or a profession.
I legit just downloaded Master Duel the other week. Made my first yugioh deck on there. Played my first game on there. And now I’m sleeving up my first paper deck go get ready to bring to locals.
I understand metas in games. I have done a ton of research on the current meta of THIS game. I understand that fiendsmith/snake eyes is a little too good. I understand that the prize support isn’t as great as other games, but I feel like it’s unfair to say that matters that much to anyone other than top players. I’m excited about the game. I’m climbing the ladder with my Galaxy Eyes deck on MD. I’m excited to bring it to locals even though it’s not meta. And I’m not expecting to win. What the people at the top are complaining about literally only applies to winners. Thousands of players attend regionals….. and only 8 of them are too 8. Less than 1% of people get prize support. And let’s be honest, less than 1% of people are EXPECTING to get prize support. They know they aren’t getting anything. From what I see attendance is up as well, meaning that new people ARE interested. The hype IS there. I saw so many videos about the EU tournament. I was excited about it. As someone who is on the complete other side of her argument…. I really just don’t see their argument. Can prize support be BETTER? Sure. Can some cards get banned? Sure (and it’s coming). But is it really KILLING new players interest in the game? I don’t think so. If anything, the fact that new people are winning in the EU just shows that.
Just started playing again and I see it the exact same way. It’s for the fun and experience not with the only goal of getting some prize. The game is a lot easier to learn than people make it sound so it’s hard to imagine what a “top” player really does other than playing the meta supported archetype.
@@ozmcsween I know for a fact that someone who is considered a top player is 10000% better than me. Even in games like hearthstone which are much more simple has a gulf between good players and bad players. But the argument of “prize support” really only applies for people who win. Winners wanting to win more basically. SHOULD there be better prize support with unique card arts and stuff? Sure that would be sick, but would that REALLY make new players join the game? I don’t think so. The only crowd that would win over are people who know they can win.
For what it's worth, in the OCG, especially in Japan, giving out a cash price for something can be considered a form of gambling. So, in a case like that, it would restrict the number of people that could not only enter but may also be considered illegal, considering how Japan treats gambling for some things.
There is no excuse for a game of this magnitude and market share to have worse prize support than games that are way smaller. Flesh and Blood TCG is giving $1.5 Million Dollars in Organized Play support this year and its ran by a tiny studio in New Zealand.
One of you had a great Mt. Rushmore.
After MHA's ending not even Deku's creator would put Deku on his own Mt. Rushmore.
Also that's hilarious, Paul giving a spot to Hibino Kafka. Paul saw 12 episodes and was like "I've seen enough, put him on there, he's one of the GOATS!". (I do love him too though)
Also I'd still have to put Gon Freecss/Hunter x Hunter over Yusuke/Yu Yu Hakusho but good shounen Mt Rushmore.
I want to love Bleach but I just feel like Tite Kubo just doesn't put enough respect on the long term side characters. They always get outscaled immediately.
Also thanks for answering my question, gonna ask more now! It was fun to see your reasoning. I do think the complexity is a big deal though, people could literally not figure out how the easiest game Pokemon TCG worked as kids! Impossible to find even 1 friend at school to play it with, let alone Yu-Gi-Oh 2024.
Tbh the problem that the franchise is facing is the pricing and the powercreep. Casuals players, dont care about pro's quitting and I think content creators from EU and USA are focusing more in get you to think that prize support is a problem, when, in fact, the vast majority of people plying this game are casuals, and casuals don't neccesary play table 500 decks, they might play a meta deck, but since they have other responsibilities they might dont do as well as people who have more time to spend in ygo. There is a great Mexican Yugituber, El Tio Derpy, that explained this in a great way.
Real, no one care about some dude quitting the game because he dont earn money going to tournement, casual are still the core buyers.
But i think they should make a nice prize for the winner, my idea was to give the winner the opportunity to choose a card and get 3 copy of it with an alt artwork made just for him. That's not money but could be sold for a lot if he doesnt want them and it's a really nice prize if he want to keep them that doesn't turn the game into gambling.
The game is just too far unbalanced to be playable as someone whos played for 2 years. Sensible adults cant buy meta decks every single year for prices like $1000. Especially if there isnt any real incentive to play the game. Kids dont even play the game anymore. They have one type of customer who only likes the game because of nostalgia but money is an actual concern to them. Make every deck more playable instead of releasing trash new strategies and clogging up sets with 90% bulk. Give support to every deck like pokemon and sales will go up and more people will be happy. its only "Pro" players that care about tier 0 formats and those people dont buy boxes and make the game horrible for everyone else. Sooner or later it will only be pro players at events because noone will enjoy the game other that those that get something meaningful out of winning. Yugioh is not hard to win at if you buy the latest deck. Konami literally makes it easy af for you to win if youre playing tier 0..not skillfull
I think alternate art of good cards being prizes is a genius idea. It keeps it's exclusivity while also allowing playability for the average person who can get the regular cards.
I think they should make a nice prize for the winner, my idea was to give the winner the opportunity to choose a card and get 3 copy of it with an alt artwork made just for him. That's not money but could be sold for a lot if he doesnt want them and it's a really nice prize if he want to keep them that doesn't turn the game into gambling.
You know if the game was cheaper, prize support wouldn't really be an issue. The secondary market is the real villian here..
There are no such things as pro yugioh players because proffesional means its their professions. yugioh does not give out money so no, they arent pros.
To clarify my question, I think I wrote “TCG players/CCs”, which CCs means “content creators” not “card collectors”. I really appreciate you guys’ answer to my question too!
i think the real issue here is like you guys said: "pro" play is created by community interest. If Konami believe that it is useful marketing tool to promote pro play, they would support it, but the reality is its not. (Look at basically every card game's attempt to push a pro scene crash and burn, like Mtg or Hearthstone for example). Sports generate money through selling tickets, sponsorship etc. But Yu-Gi-Oh isnt really a spectator sport. sure, enfranchised players may follow tournament results, but realistically who is going to pay to see a YGO tournament? the pro scene generates basically no money, and until it does, or until konami believes in its potential to market the game, it wont go out of its way to support it. I know it sucks but the reality is you don't have a right to make money or profit from something just because you're good at it. you need to be generating some value for whoever is paying you, which unfortunately this doesn't (or not enough).
@@guillaumebasch2688 I agree 100%. I think Pokémon tcg is the oddity and that’s because pokemon in general makes a TON of money
There are better Organized Play systems that treat players who want to play at the pinnacle much better. Why not reward the players who are the most invested in playing your game.
The rules of Yugioh where to complex when I was a kid. When I came back to the game as a older teenager I was shocked to learn that mystical space thyphoon doesn't negate card effects. 😂
That was something that blew my mind as well when I starting playing again. That and learning all the Solemn counter trap differences, NOW THAT was a pain to wrap my head around😂
😅 I still think destroying a trap or spell during trigger negates it sometimes ngl
You can enter a hot dog eating competition and make money lmao even chess gives money. Konami just greedy af
Oh, my nephew loves Blue Eyes. He rewatches the 1st episode cause of them. A Blue Eyes deck would probably be his favorite thing if he ever plays.
Careful not to interrupt our guest Chris.
HE ACTUALLY BLINKED TWICE!!!
The thing is, if Jessica won first place the tournament do you think she still would have quit yugioh? Or is she only doing this because she wasnt happy she didn't get anything for getting top 8? How far should the prize line be stretched? Should Konami give a prize to the top 100 players? Or just stop strictly at top 8? I think this is the part that I don't agree with. Despite Konami not giving top 8 a prize I don't think it warranted a video of that magnitude. She was sort of calling Konami out. I think like most people, she is frustrated with the state of the game this was the last straw that broke the camel's back. I don't think it was about her not getting anything for top 8. It sounds like a mix of the state of the game and burn out. She says that she's only quitting competitive so it almost confirms that it's just burn out.
Kinda the equivalent of the Genshin Impact Boycott. Everyone has their thoughts of the game and dislikes where it's going or is at, but people are still supporting it and going to tourneys so there's no reason for Konami to listen or change.
We've known for decades now that Yu-Gi-Oh! will never be the "win money" game, but it seems like when YCS first started they used to have better, competitive promo cards as prizes but they slowly moved away that over the years. It's a fine line in Yu-Gi-Oh! because people don't want the best cards locked behind prize support and simply putting out an alternate art is difficult because that's nothing new to this game, either, and really given meta changes and collector mentality that determines the secondary market the whole "win promo, sell for money" tactic only can go so far. I think it's a difference of what is a 25 year old game versus these other games that are only a year or more old and have a "new hotness" feel. One Piece is hot right now, very popular, but how are things going to be in say five years when they're putting out another alt art Luffy card? Will it still see as much return? Same with Lorcana, there's demand now, but we're going to have to wait and see what happens next.
01:10:26 if Yu-Gi-Oh came out today, I think magic and Pokémon would have a little too big of a stranglehold and other Card games would beat it up in popularity however I do think it’s also worth considering since I admittedly am more of an anime guy
in this hypothetical world would Yu-Gi-Oh! be perceived as a Shonen Jump anime or a card game to sell stuff Anime ?
Because half of the Yu-Gi-Oh community is basically just nostalgia people not exclusively for the card game, but for the anime and manga as well and joy for the Dark Magician isn’t just because it’s a sort of strange archetype that likes spell counters and a weird unworldly level seven guy but because it’s used by a little relatable, guy who’s brave and may not be good at fighting, but certainly knows his way around the local game corner who uses his extensive awkward nerd knowledge to do the right thing.
And not to mention, Yu-Gi-Oh! is adjacent to dragon ball and one piece of Naruto and Yugi is invited generally to the Shonen Jump cook out
I don’t know if that’s true of Vrains or Sevens but… in the world where it comes out and it is held up alongside modern jump series, I think Yugioh might stand a chance
We have been talking about about jess quitting for weeks now on this pod and your videos. Infact everyone has been talking about this to. I play completive pokemon online and I wouldn't of been able to tell you how much it cost to enter a regional. Gallee I wouldn't of never guess it cost 80 bucks. I would of assume it was the price of a yugioh event like 20 max. I guess that is how pokemon can give out much better prize support.
To be fair to the entry though, there are different entry packages you can buy and you get more stuff. Your entry package alone could pay for your entry if you sell it.
@dpacula63 yea that use to be the chase for yugioh years ago but not so much today
Pokémon and wizards of the coast also have more money than god which are both things forgotten in this discussion. Yugioh is pretty much the card game alone at this point which is almost certainly not what props up the prizing for the other two.
1:16:50 Yeap Alec is right just talk what you know, it’s painfully obvious when you comment on something you don’t know.
Yooo aps crew guest. Now I gotta watch the premiere
When will Konami pull the plug and reboot the game? Other games do it with set rotations, I’d love some of the newer anime based decks like shining sarc’ or exodia, maybe rain in yubel a bit, to have a chance, because they’re descent but not super broken. Maybe it would be easier to make a list of cards that aren’t banned, limiting the pool. Or we just begin again and focus more on vanillas and learn from the mistakes of the past and prevent such broken formats.
1:09:25 here’s the thing about when we were kids, we didn’t play properly we played the way we saw in the anime!
So if it was released with the power level of today it wouldn’t matter because we’d still play the way we saw in the anime.
So yes 100% would still play. I didn’t play no goat format when I was a kid and I wouldn’t be playing no fiendsmith snake eye format either.
Replace the the Nintendo Switch with either A. A exclusive YGO prize edition decorated Switch or B. A YGO themed decorated Gaming PC and suddenly you have a big cash item bidders will bid fight over.
That's wassup, Chris is in this one!!!
Just started playing again a month ago after not playing since 2013. Ive only been playing on master duel, and I do have to say, the game has sped up an insane amount. Duels over in like 2-3 turns.
Hearing the gripes the community has with the current format sucks and the cost of meta decks being $1000 guarantees i wont be going to any locals and will just stick to Master Duel
I stopped collecting TCG yugioh cards because of how heavily censored their Artworks are.
He not she
I can agree with that player on why they are quitting. The format isn't really that good and it's not that rewarding but the political issues is what I don't understand or agree with
TeamAPS alumni in the building 🏆
Listen; one of the biggest elephants in the room is the fact based off of Chris's comment, "She uses the same deck, consistently"
A simple rule over ratio is bound to surface, eventually
If you run 60; you should be able to win using 60 DIFFERENT cards, all relative to your strategy
If you run 50 .....
If you are running 40, you've got it in the bag 💯
NO DUPLICATEs or TRIPLICATEs of any card in any deck!!
Unless THEEE FUSION monster(s) require multiple copies, there is NO REASON duelists cannot balance consistency using the entire, vast, massive card pool
Synchro summoning does not require multiple copies of anything
XYZ summoning does not require multiple copies of anything
Link summoning does not require multiple copies of anything
Call it what you want; slow & gimmicky, too ANIME-based (BRUH, IT'S ANIME!!!!) ... you CANNOT complain about originality & authenticity when you literally jam the same cycle of complete game demoralizing, hand checking, cock blocking, cotton picking annoyances into the new hottest archetype to CHEAT out your next "turbo" win 💯 Facts; you're not a champion, you're a loophole. Not authentic 🙏🏾
It's funny that everything that isn't in the META is simply considered "anti-META", or a "gimmick"; when every single archetype begs to have lore in Yu-Gi-Oh 🤦🏾♂️ All these archetypes have been treasured because of their authenticity!!!
Run your META section the way you like; make a balanced sector of Yu-Gi-Oh for the ones who big brain REAL strategy, instead of facing the same phony ass META drones 🙏🏾
Like, how the hell do we expect new duelists to wanna stay in the game learning with an everlasting handicap?? They're forced to pick up momentum at light speed, or graduate themselves up a ladder they will literally never see the end of. It has always been the THRILL of the game that captivated us. We owe it to all duelists to develop in all aspects
How exactly is a Link-1 Blue-Eyes dragon supposed to help a duelist who has no idea what Ash Blossom is?
New ass whuppin on my page!!!! Good luck duelists
Top prizes should just be 1 of a kind Alternate Art anime adjacent cards, or set of 9, whatever or however you want to split it between top 8. Example: Dark Magician, BEWD, REBD, Utopia, Odd-Eyes, Code Talkers etc. Theres so many to choose from. Theyd have their $ worth, collectiblity AND is playable if the person was brave enough to pull up to locals with their YCS champ BEWD Artwork. Doesn't even have to be the main protag cards, rivals, signature spells, etc. Its literally that easy. Top 8 losing a booster box though for a switch is crazy 😂 (this comment is super late to the video)
Unpopular opinion
Konami should merge the tcg into the OCG because Konami has abandoned structure decks in the TCG side
Also that idea that Konami never wanted pro players is a load of crap. The fact that there is a world championship since 2004 says a lot so you can put that take in the trash cuz that's not at all true not to mention there is now a world's grind in the Yu-Gi-Oh master duel client that has you grind for 72 hours straight and you can only go to the world championship if you are the number one player in your region so stop that.
46:52 I live in Finland (it is one of the EU countries), and here you can buy Disney Lorcana from local card stores but, those are not sell really well yet, in here Finland.
Top cardgame products that sell better than Lorcana in here Finland are now:
-Pokemon TCG
-MTG
-Digimon TCG
-Final Fantasy TCG
-One Piece CG
-Sorcery TCG
-Flesh & Blood TCG
If you're allowed to make a living off of valerant off of fortnite off of so many other other games out there that are in the esports category and now that Yu-Gi-Oh master duel has its own client and is considered an esport there is no excuse why you can't make a living / make money
BLEACH is absolutely on the Shonen Rushmore 10000000 percent
wtf someone sent Alec a video tape when he was getting into yugioh?! Dude where is your grampa at? Pegasus is no joke bro
I just wanna say, at least with Pokémon, tournament entries at regional and up might be more expensive but a top meta deck will only run you around $100 if you don't feel the need to bling it out with full art variants and what not and that's not even most meta decks either. Compared to Yugioh where any meta deck will run you $100's to $1000+. I will gladly take paying $50 more to enter a regional with that in mind.
Do what pokemon does where it has the Pikachu Trophy Card for top 4 and do it with DM(1), Blue Eyes(2), Red eyes(3 and 4) for top 4.
Hello, I just wanted to say I love all of you and your friends. You're all adorable and fantastic and inspired me to teach my wife how to play yugioh and to get a lot of our friends together to play again after years and years of not playing. It's been super fun. However, it is depressing to see stores now drop the products😢. Stay positive, yall ❤❤ and again thank you for being inspiring.
Konami is a multibillion $$ company, they can afford prize monies - even in the hundreds of thousands. Be great if Konami invested on this culture that could be up there with Magic.
I took the first question as would you have gotten into Yu-Gi-Oh as a kid if when it released instead of Blue Eyes and DM, Yugi was link summoning 15 monsters a turn lol
Josh Schmidt (and Jesse Kotten to a lesser extent) debunked most of the things Jess said in her video. Jessica got to go to Japan, expenses mostly paid, got a 'goodie' bag worth like 2-4k (as Josh explained). She did not go empty handed. Yes, the general prize support could be better, that much no one is debating.. but she was a little too much woe is me and exaggerating a LOT, acting like people were leaving in mass and such. All she accomplished was causing a lot of drama.
Giving bags worth 2-4K to a handful of people doesn't fix the system. If it costs 300$ or more to build a deck, people can't afford that cost without anything to show for it but a good time. Thats the business plan for hookers btw. The cost of the game needs to go down by a fucking lot. 1000$ to build a top rated deck, thats more than some people make in 2 weeks of work, hell at my old job I made 1200 a month. Thats damn near a whole months pay on fucking cardboard. With no way to really get anything out of those cards.
If a cut of the entry fee was going into a pool for prize money, it might be good for pros for a bump. If the prize cards were Alts or single print Alts that you could resell for their great rarity, it might help too.
24:27 As far as prizing goes, Konami out here giving the equivalent of a pizza party to players that were never promised a profit for playing yugioh well at a high level
I think a big part is the power creep. The meta currently feels so close to being varied enough to allow any type of deck to be a winner. But, this game is best when a player's creativity with different cards give you a leg up.
😂 Konami could always make GOAT official format and then wall off that area with a retro style booster list. It would probably force a cut off of escalation....or breed a second kind of power creep.
I moved to One Piece TCG. It reminds me of older YGO with Battle Phases being relevant.
43:00 Paul makes a great point here. Like if the company is still making money why change anything? Great pod
54:23 I heard someone say both the Pokémon trio and these new cards are based on judeo -Christian mythology
yes they are.
I wish the gluttonia card was cheaper I think that artwork is awesome and would love to own that card
I would love if Konami supported goat and Edison formats
Hell naaaaah, world keeps turning the duels will never stop
Blue eyes to win the 25th anniversary worlds 😆
Keep Reginal and ycs decks out of local events 40:06
I'm quitting. I'm not some known player or anything but I've been in the game for 4 or 5 years now.
I just don't love this game anymore. Atleast not playing it. I'm not having fun anymore and thats the most important part of a game is having fun. If I can't have fun I'm not going to play.
The reasons I'm not having fun is to much to count and I really don't want to elaborate because quite a bit of it is the same reasons for others leaving, I'm not competing at the highest levels so prizing doesn't factor in I'll say that much.
I hope we get more special guests soon!
Would I play modern Yu-Gi-Oh if I was a kid today. Unfortunately probably not. A good chunk of my friends and family members have kids. And unfortunately almost all of them seem to have even heard of Yu-Gi-Oh.
What makes this even sadder is the 2 siblings that did got a structure deck (1 for both of them). Then they got immediately destroyed in their local card shop. According to my friend they haven't really gone back since.
So it's extremely unlikely for the average kid these days to ever pick Yu-Gi-Oh out of every other hobby or game in the market these days
Could have a special pack that top cut gets that has 3 random anime characters as starlights with 20 different characters cards to pull from, similar to the ots packs but just for the ycs. DM 1, DM 2, DM 3, GX 1, GX 2 GX 3 etc maybe 5D 1 could contain everyone's king as a startlight for jacks card. Collectors would go nuts trying to collect them all. You open your DM 1 pack and you pull "the true pharaoh" "the ruler of dragons" and "the dancer of dreams" you will know you have hit it big. Maybe people could even create a human deck for fun.
I'm about 30 minutes in and maybe ya'll discuss this later but burning questions and comments and all that jazz. So I think the reason Yugioh (as a casual collector since 2002) on the competitive level over the past 5-10 years has that proverbial lens on it is for sure because of other card game competition. However, the other big thing is cost. Yugioh is very MTG like with product production year over year with cards not holding a ton of value - outside of staples that ramp up deck costs. For competitive players - that's tough, especially with inflation impacting all of us. I think that has been more impactful to the conversation than the super success of One Piece where participation prizing is valuable simply because it's SO hard to get into those events because of demand. So if you're going to have to drop $500 - $1000 on a competitive YUGIOH deck - travel & play (as a hobby!) the potential for rewards should be relatively significant - especially as one of the big 3.
The irony of the Anime having Uber rich characters ( Seto / Pegasus) setting up tournaments, season after season with stellar prizes.
Why doesn’t Konami offer unreleased products (the polarizing metal cards, Seto brief case, etc…) as top prizes? Or even autographed items from anime or manga artist/ actors?
I think Yugioh players want more money for playing card games because the economy. People want more money period nowadays. From QBs in the NFL to Cashiers at BK, people see someone getting paid more for the same job, they wanna get paid more. If someone can play 1 card game at a certain level and get paid for it, why can’t they play this card game at the same level and get paid for it?
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The Pros are just greedy 🤢🤮
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There’s zero reason why starlight sheets and better prize cards can’t be prizing for the best performers, especially when starlight sheets are already side event prizes. Konami feet dragging on this is so typical.
RUSH DUEL WILL SAVE US
You think if everyone stoped yugioh to the point of no tournaments being held, would konami make big changes, or would it just hert the game
I quit master duel because they reduced the amount of allowed copies of purrelyly down to 2 my purely ghostrick deck is ruined
I love the Pod of Greed!
Something I heard floating around for a potential idea for prizing is custom giant cards for the winner. They can get whatever card they want in a giant card/oversized card AND I think they can even choose any rarity including premium or discontinued rarities
Didn’t expect Paul to say you should watch cnbc in my lifetime ever 😂
The field spell that negates that resolution is cool. I play Vernusylph and the Goddess has a monster negate at resolution, but she needs 4 other earth on the field to trigger. Glad to see a third card that triggers the same way
1:26:06 I want to synchro summon Stardust Dragon in 3D. Edison format 😂
Well damn RIP pro players 😢casual rogue forever
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40:00 The issue is that Yugioh players have been accepting an abusive format management structure since the very beginning, ever since Konami discovered they could use the banlist as a way to change the format. That's not what a banlist is for. Banlists are supposed to be used sparingly to remove problem cards which slip through design and testing and are breaking the format. But Konami use it to arbitrarily stop players from using the best decks so that they have to buy the next best decks. Players will spend hundreds of dollars on a deck only for it to be banned months later and why? It likely wasn't tier 0, but there are new competitive decks that need to be sold. Yugioh players have just been conditioned to accept that this is the way a game is supposed to work
the abusive format management structure of the game is one problem in a much larger machine of problems with the game (although that is a large factoring part of it as well), Yu-Gi-Oh as a game is doomed to be what it is now forever more because the game is designed horribly and that's coming from someone who played since 2001 until Albaz. because there's no resources or limitations on what you can do and because everything made has to get stronger then what came before in order for people to buy the cards, if you have it in hand, you can play it. and because everything has to do more and more and more, it leads to what we have now, where 2 players fight eachother in 1 singular turn to decide who wins. one card combo's for player 1 (first turn) and hand traps for player 2 (second turn) and if player 2 can survive till their turn, they win. Sprites, Kashtira, Tearlaments, Ishizu, snake-eyes, fiendsmith, Yubel they are all examples of what the game inevitably boils down too when you reach the apex of the problems. and even then, the apex just gets higher because it has too for cards to sell. but if you suggest fixing the game, if you suggest even attempting to fix the design issues with Yu-Gi-Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh players will reject them without question because "this is how it's always been, it would be stupid to try and change it".
@@MTGDuelist8870 Well yeah, all that is true about the power creep but I was just responding to what Paul said at 40:00 about players forgetting their frustrations every time a new ban list is revealed. They see the ban list as a positive thing but to me looking in from the outside, the ban list is mainly used to remove from the meta those tier 1 decks which are still viable but are not being sold anymore in the current set. Occasionally it happens that the ban list serves its original purpose to hit a tier 0 deck like Tearlaments but the results are always the same. The ban list shouldn’t be the main mechanism driving format change in a game. It makes the game uncertain and expensive
@@ilyafoskin oh i agree 100%. hell sometimes the banlist just does nothing, and people will just see the current problem finally get hit by the banlist and just be happy one problem is out the door only to get faced with the next one and it starts all over again. it's just abusive and unhealthy for the game but like you said, players have been conditioned into believing that "hey, that's how it is". stockholm syndrome.
“Konami didn’t ask for pro players” you’re bugging bro they host YCS and WCS. They’re literally creating the environment for competition
But that was way after the fact. These are mainly for promotion imo.
The Paid In Full shirt is tuff, Shoutout that boy ACE
Paul not on location is going to take getting used to