Airplane + Hydrofoil - Good or Bad Idea?
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Reminded me of the Jeffrey Bezos song by Bo Burnham.
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@@runklestiltskin_2407 that's the song they based the one at the end of the video on lmao
Always
Hydrofoil, ***k yeah!
Truly impressed by Daniel's ability to find every lost or crashed plane, wing, drone or camera.
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He's like a airplane blood hound
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It’s because people don’t actually look into their sponsors. I’m surprised it took so long for someone to look into it and find what’s wrong with it. Although we will give this guy a little slack since the expose was about a month after this video was made.
Wow thats realy bad xD but the realy bad thing is that this youtuber promotes them LOL 😮
the level of details and depth in those projects is always stunning.
"Depth"? I dunno man it looked pretty shallow to me... 6:40
@@Daruma_Studio from a little beam shaped object, that must be like the Matianne Trench tho...
I always enjoy your little side quests, like finding a submerged camera :)
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The Line through the Clouds is called a Distrail - or dissipation trail, the opposite of a Contrail - or Condensation trail. Both have the same cause - heat and condensation nuclei from the engine exhaust creates localized areas where the water vapor is condensed into tiny ice crystals or water droplets. In the Distrail- the effect creates larger droplets from already condensed mist (the cloud) which are large enough to fall away, leaving an open lane in the cloud.
No, it happens when the plane is sucking up water to mix with its stores of dry chemicals, so it can continue in its mission to leave chemtrails. You know, to poison us or drug us into submission or whatever it is the nutters say they're doing.
They just didn't have their Chemtrails pumps going !
Good to know....
The distrail was caused by an earlier plane in a different path, not the one at 21:34
no it's not, it's from the chemicals they dispose of in jet engine fuel, read about chemtrails
My 5 cents about sharp foils: recently I dove into hydrofoils thing too, designing impeller blades for waterjets. And when I was about to use some basic airfoil I suddenly found the airfoils for water are actually different (surprise) from airfoils for the air. The main reason is the cavitation. And the other reason - much higher water resistance: many hydrofoils do use sharp leading edge. Anyway - within working range of allowed angles of attack (usually something from -13 to +13 deg.) the sharp leading edge works ok.
Was about to say that, due to the viscosity of water, a sharp leading edge is better. Look at boat/yacht shapes the sharp edge is at the front, contrary to airplanes where the sharp edge is at the back.
@@pawelrelidzynski680the sharp bow angle on boat hulls is meant to reduce the bow wave created at the interface between the air and water. Torpedos and submarines use rounded fronts because they are fully submerged
@BlueIron64 i get your point, but that is not entirely true. You can see some bigger ship types being rounded in front and thats due to the speeds they travel. In water there is less resistance with a pointy shape in front, and i have seen it in a controlled environment. Same with air, less resistance when the frontsurgace is rounded and pointy in the back
"so that's why we can't have sharp hydrofoils"
I think what you meant to say was:"so that's why we need to make this thing supersonic" 👍🏻
a little suggestion for the drone that went in the water: spraypaint the waterbottle a bright color so its very easy to spot when upsidedown in the water like that
or fill it w/ expanding foam, so incase it is damaged it does not sink whilst also being more visible
Good suggestion. As color I would recommand a bright orange or red.
If something samller would be wanted maybe the mechanism of an automatic life vest could be copied.
Also, a small LED light inside the bottle would be a good idea. It doesn’t add much weight but will provide you several hours of super accurate positioning.
@@arlenn729 yeah. That would be kinda sick
I've gotta say it's really nice to have someone to watch who just researches and tests things for the fun of it, it really keeps me motivated to just work on things that I think are interesting
The transition from hydrofoil lift to flight on the Regent aircraft seems to depend on a pitch-up "launch" to get more lift by increasing the angle of attack. While this might work, passengers might find such a maneuver more than a little unsettling.
its useless
I noticed that. It looks pretty jarring unless they have some special seat suspension that can enter the cargo area.
@@XenoWiz more motors does increase the safety in case of a failure
@@XenoWiz more motors actually generate more power than a single big motor due to tip speed limits. If your tips start hitting the sound barrier they won't generate as much thrust and will generate a ton of drag. As such you can run a smaller motor at much higher speeds and have more of the blade in the "optimal thrust region" For electric motors having a bunch of smaller motors has major benefits, the first being that you don't need to put huge amounts of current through a single wire (fire hazard). The second is for motor cooling, third is cost (a bunch of small motors is cheaper than a single big motor). The Blown Wing isn't a new technology, it's been used for decades on drones and has a long history with STOL. It actually does work since the effect of the wing is independent of the ground this allows for a functionally higher airspeed over the wing than your actual groundspeed, it's like taking off into a headwind. Momentum is conserved since the lift and thrust are (mostly) perpendicular to each other.
The reason why airplanes traditionally favoured having one or two big engines is because that was also their main powerplant. ICEs are big and heavy, their power to weight ratio is actually very low compared to electric motors (batteries and fuel not included). Gas turbines have a thrust to weight ratio comparable to electric motors. So why aren't electric motors used in aviation as much? Well batteries are heavy, much heavier that fuel, and that tends to be the deciding factor. And jets generate just so much power so easily that it's kind of dumb not to use them despite their complexity.
Yeah, you dweebs are just noticing a particular movement of a test vehicle and trying to extrapolate it into an inescapable aspect of the final product’s operation. Nice try dorks.
The reason why the flying boat has hydrofoils is exactly to *prevent* what you geniuses think it will cause; jarring vibration/shock.
A normal flying boat rides on the surface of the water, planing before it rotates. That means that the roughness felt by the passengers is directly related to the roughness of the water’s surface. If a seaplane has hydrofoils, it can quickly lift off *above* surface irregularities, causing a smooth ride as it builds enough speed to rotate. The only time you’d feel the rough surface/waves is at initial acceleration stages when the speed is low and affect on the airframe minimal. Basically a little rough right at the beginning, then transitioning to an incredibly smooth hydroplane affect, followed by a rotation that I’m sure can be modified in it’s severity. They probably just made it look like it was “jumping” out of the water for a cool promo video.
Y’all really need to look at the big picture, how the entire machine operates, and not just autistically and pedantically notice one single aspect and think your assumptions are that of a smart person….
I've learned so much from these videos but... I'm not going to lie, watching you recover shit you've lost is one of my greatest joys.
You're so knowledgeable about flying and boating that it makes the episodes fascinating to watch. I like when in some episodes you get super excited. It feels infectious! 👍🏻
In regard to what you mentioned on the jet. Why wouldn't skis be the ideal solution to most of these problems? At low speed the waves aren't an issue on the hull. At higher in water speeds the skis will plane, lifting the body/wings away from the waves. And then at highest speeds, when your airborne, then the skis could be retracted like landing gear against the body for a smooth hull. This seems to give you the best configuration for all three speeds for takeoff/landing transitions.
Skis would induce a lot of turbulence and drag but yeah if they were retractable it seems like a good idea. I just wonder if they would really help ekranoplans with the choppy water problem because they wouldn't be very useful at cruising speeds?
11:55 "that's the cutest little tugboat i've ever seen"
3D benchy in real life
Really great video as always, Daniel!! Thanks for including us in your projects 👍🏼Glad I got to hear your friends’ sweet tunes also! 🤘🏼
Hi! I was so happy to see my mug in the "instigators' list" 😊
Thank you so much for making all the research and the tests. As you suggest in the discussion, hydrofoils would need to be short and possibly retractable (although they provide a tiny amount of lift in the air too, with some added instability). The goal is to leave the water as soon as possible to make the transition to and from airborne as fast as possible, especially in choppy waters -- the goal is to fly over the sea, which is *never* flat, even in a cove.
From what you show and the Regent experment (I wasn't aware of this one), you'd use T-foils as they seem to provide more lift and less drag at low speed, and more than just one at the front spread around the CoG (i.e 1 ahead and 2 on the sides behind, or 2 and 2, adding to the same surface).
Currently, I'm more on the Lippisch design (inverted delta) with 12º anhedral to which I add canards, the idea being to add 1 hydrofoil under the fuselage and 1 under each of the floats located at the ends of the wings, so to transition as quickly as possible to airborne. So far, the canards are attached to a nacelle at the front (like big ears on the head of a flying duck) because I wanted to have wings swept 30º forward (making an skirt open 120º in front), but I probably drop that to no-sweep and have the canards attached to a straight edge so to modify the entire wing geometry by moving the canards'edges up and down.
Thank you again for all the work and the actual experimental results you provide. Keep up the fantastic job!
Always appreciate when you include information about aerodynamics; I didn't know about the foil shape stagnation point and you always do a great job simplifying it! Thanks for another great video sir!
That ventilation demo just before 10 minutes was really cool so thank you for doing that.
Outstanding! Thanks for teaching me about ventilation. Never heard of it before though I've seen it before while not recognizing it as anything. Amazing footage between the drone and the ground effect "napkin"!
Just a gut feeling - when there is no physical connection between an air cushion vehicle and the water, there must be
less drag than if you dangle some shape, any shape down into the water. Your interesting experiments proved just that. The air cushion principle is so elegant in its simplicity. One hypothesis I'd love to see you try is fencing - i.e., Run a raked vertical fin down into the wateron the rear inner faces of your sponsons. Seems to me that you could extend the cushion of high pressure air further back, negating form drag from any horizontal surface touching the water.
My theory is that fins would yield two benefits - first, lower form drag, and second, better lateral stablility.
I'd love to see you throw some fins on your mature research aircraft!
This is the video I've been waiting for for ages! Your closing remarks are the most valuable to me:
1) Hydrofoils could help get GEVs and seaplanes out of the water, and perhaps aid in landing.
2) They'd have to be retracted to make efficient use of GE.
3) This bonus is not present at RC scales (likely due to smaller mass to surface ratios and lower Reynold's number).
This had indeed been my hunch, but I'm so grateful to you for actually doing these tests and giving your expert's opinion. My motivation for the idea has always been the tell-tale fact that the Ekranoplan allegedly used 8 turbines to take off but only 2 for sustained flight. Perhaps one could also improve efficiency at sub-takeoff speeds by propelling the craft against the water rather than the air - e.g. by a mounting a boat prop to the back of the hydrofoil, or by creating a water jet with water sucked in through a hollow foil.
Jet powered take off ekranoplan sounds extremely badass
Cool vid as always! I'd love to see another long-distance autonomous project, either boat, plane, or maybe revisit the rover? Those were really interesting, but I understand they take a lot of time to make
Mr Daniel, I'm glad to see you again in my top video suggestions, its been a while. :) Hey, also, thanks for your previous videos on the auto gliders and solar planes etc... I'm almost done building up my ASW 28 for the auto soaring via ArduPilot, same as you did. Keeping on doing your thing, its top tier!
you should look into supercavitating hydrofoils. I reckon you'd love em! Im currently developing one for a high-speed foiling windsurfer down here in the choppy waters of the Swan River
Just to save you some money in the future: the steel you buy usually isn't hardened, so high carbon steel isn't harder than regular steel (mild or construction steel) unless you actually temper and aneal it. Not that it matters a lot in those quantities, but tool steel is about twice as expensive as mild steel :)
Additionally, brazing might be a better (easier) way to to attach pieces like that without sacrificing much strength.
Anyway, awesome and educational video as always!
PSA: Be cautious about what craftsmen/tradesmen tell you about heat treatment. Many of them are notorious for getting it wrong because they tend to learn by word of mouth and trial&error rather than reading about material science. And we all know how the game of telephone tends to go.
Heat treatment is a science. A branch of material science, to be exact. And it's complex enough to require highly educated and dedicated specialists when doing R&D for big expensive projects.
Anyway, annealing undoes tempering, and tempering improves strength, not hardness. Quenching fast makes it hard, though also much more brittle. Tempering reduces brittleness whilst retaining higher hardness than other processes, which ultimately increases its' overall strength. Coincidentally, that metric is called 'ultimate strength', which is different a completely different metric from 'hardness'. Look up the tests for measuring those two.
Annealing is the process which kind of 'resets' steel, typically used to maximize machinability (make it softer/more easily workable) and remove internal stresses due to forging and machining processes. It's also typically quenched more gently so you aren't left with an overly-brittle product.
Just the fact that you was able to find that camera deserves a subscription
I always thought about building one of those, except my concept was sort of a airplane with legs where the lifting body (passengers and pilot) is in front and the waterski/foil part (power source) remained attached to a surface on a sled.
Great video! I'm curious, have you tried a "fan wing" design before? It would be cool to see if you could combine the ground effects stuff with the supposed "ultra-high efficiency" and short take off distance that the design proposes. They're not capable of high speeds nor high maneuverability, but I'd like to see how efficient they can get.
Daniel, I am always amazed at how much science and education you pack in your videos, but ngl my favorite part is always the music videos at the end. So lucky to have your own personal musician! :D
Why I love this channel: *says something super technical I barely understand* and then “woah that cool boat has a crane”
Hey I'm in a video, cool! Thanks for the mention. Excellent exploration of the concept! It's cool to see the historical applications of the tech, so thanks for including those. Ventilation is the WORST when winging, I think that's the appeal of high dihedral front foils, although you rarely see it in rear stabilizers. I'm sure you've done plenty of research while making this thing, but if you want to get into hydrofoiling, there's plenty of money in the industry now, particularly wingfoiling, since it's the new hot thing, so lots of watersports companies have been investing in research to create the best hydrofoils. It's neat to see the differences in performance, high/low aspect, lots/no dihedral, thick/thin wings. I was toying with the idea of creating a biplane style hydrofoil, where the lower wing is smaller, creating less lift, but less drag to provide a gradual transition to flight, but you've proven pretty well the combination with ground effect aircraft isn't super compatible. Well done, keep playing!
Good video, the ventilation demo was cool. Established Titles is a scam though and you should check sponsors better before accepting them
"What has he built _now?"_ -- The birds of Washington state
That camera searching cut scene was epic
I love the evolution of these ground effect vehicles…
Now we just need a helicopter that runs on ground effect
Wouldn't that just be a -leg- _hedge-trimmer_ or something? XD
Nothing makes my morning better than seeing a new RC Test Flight video :D
Loved the bo cover at the end too. Thanks!
Please dump sponsors like Established Titles (others that come to mind are Kamikoto or RAID Shadow Legends). They're effectively scamming people out of their money. Sure, it's only a novelty gift, but charging 50+ dollars for absolutely nothing (maybe a single planted tree) is still a scam.
Kamikoto is actually part of the same parent company, although they sell actual products under false pretenses (shitty mass products that they claim are handmade quality products).
FYI established titles is a scam you’re better off just giving directly to something like one tree planted
I love how the insta go is white, perfect for dropping it in the snow!
I need to go to sleep, you can’t upload now
haha I already slept
Ha I just woke up
Literally 😭🤣
Feel that one
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Wonder if having a different wing profile would be better for hydrofoils, maybe even capturing the ventilation/cavitation air bubble and using it for lift. I know there are some boats with flooding compartments (flooded when not moving, for stability. Empty out as the boat starts to move for higher speeds.) Applying this concept to a hydro wing make me think of basically one with a front slat, but the slat is attached at the bottom. Or just a channel slightly behind the top of the wing profile. My thinking is that at speed this would create a pocket that would either just help with lift, air is lighter than water an all that, or serve as a vent to bring the gasses along the foil and out of the water, away from the wing itself.
Back in the 70s the Air Force Research Lab put a hovercraft guts on the bottom of an airplane (a C-7 Caribou IIRC, called the Air Cushion Landing System or ACLS). Not sure what their results were, but it sounds like something you would try.
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8:00 This is so fascinating. It's like how a truck has better fuel efficiency with the tailgate up even though you'd think that would produce drag, but it actually doesn't as it's designed to create a pocket of turbulent air that the other air just flows around. Driving with the tailgate down removes a tiny bit of theoretical drag from the tailgate, but adds more drag around it because it gets rid of that pocket.
Have you considered trying a water rudder with one or two vertical fins to provide horizontal force? You never seemed to be able to turn too sharply while in ground effect, that could give you some much sharper maneuverability.
@rctestflight : Maybe the submerged part could be used as an automatic pitch control if its design was different: I imagine a boom protruding 30 cm at the front, on the central axis, an a curved ski (like a comma) attached to the end. It could be a thin (5mm wide?) carbon strip, like the one we use to reinforce wings etc, which elasticity will provide the curved shape under the stress, and a dampening of the waves. Maybe you will have to overlay several strips like a leaf spring to have a more rigid front. Then tune the angle of the entry in water so it maintains the plane pitch close to the stall angle...
Fantastic Video!
My suggestion for an more adveanced and smaller version vor rescueing the drone could be a smaller mechanism of an automatic life vest.
And for better visivility of the rescueing device I would recommand a bright color, a bright orange and strong red are the most used colors for such applications as far as I know. (And could recommand that from my experience when I travel over water)
I imagine we will be getting a full version of the song at the end???
that was amazing and earned my sub!
Drone down 18:41, 18:46
Camera drown 7:02
Hydrofoil frown 13:01
Daniel not messing around,
for he's no clown.
epic video, love the loss and recovery clips, and that sweet sweet soundtrack
Keep amazing us with your DIY outcomes !
Thanks so much for trying this out and for the in depth explanations, great video :-)
great experimentation, analysis AND outro song!
Excellent video as always!
With regards to the use of hydrofoils, Regent are selling their addition as a different phase they can operate in. Ie they can operate in an area close to shore on the foils at relatively high speeds without the wake. When they then get out in the open they can proceed to flying. Rather than solely a way to get the craft out of the water more efficiently.
The thing to be concerned about with foils is the possibility of ''hooking' them in the water at high speed as happened with the X114. The Seaglider retracts them to avoid this. But there is still the concern about the conflicting aerodynamic/hydrodynamic forces/moments between foil and wing lift. They are very hard to marry up.
I learnt from one of your videos that I can replace the battery on a Dyson vacuum. This saved me from buying a new one. Thanks mate!
Well done guys that was so intertaining. Love the song too.
Great video and really interesting information! I think your submerged foil was pretty much designed to plane on the surface - like you said there's a feedback loop in there. Probably needs an active control loop to keep it underwater. Also could you make the vertical strut into less of a blade, so that it has less of an influence on yaw?
I LOVE THE OUTRO MUSIC!!!! SO WELL DONE!
well done, an entertaining mix, the music and song at the end is quite good
Great take on an interesting area of developemnet , The Americans spent a lot of time on foils on seaplanes ,in the 1940s ,not a lot came of it ,I now see why maybe . An Aussie guy has gone water ski waywith his boats, 'sea ski', may be the best solution for a lighter 'water form' for amphibian and sea planes . Of course modern materials can make lighter stronger hulls too .
Just a thought on turning a ground effect vehicle. Since your essentially flying flat, your tail section should steer like a car linkage. And, the front wing on the inside of the corner should create a small amount of non lift creating drag. Kind of like breaking one wheel on a car to make a tighter turn, but just slightly. Anyway, that was a fantastic lesson.
You can reduce ventilation with a delta shaped foil protruding in front of the struts, less weed and a larger planning height range. i mean just the tip outside is enough for planning by ventilation ( just when you want).
Short strut, small delta at an high AoA near the leading edge
if you have a multiple stage hydrofoil: the bottom one, smaller, pulling down, and a bigger that would skim the surface, perhaps with a mechanical 'feeler' that would auto-adjust the height?
There are hydrofoils that use supercavitation. This is just forced cavitation at higher speeds and can increase both top speed and efficiency. I think the largest benefit to adding both ground effect and hydrofoils into one vehicle would be it’s very high weight capacity; high weight would also help with the foil staying close or in the water… last thing, foils can also be used to pull the craft towards the water preventing the bouncing created with ground effect.
Cool project as always dude! I want one of those Ender printers, they look awesome. Also, Daniel deserves way more subscribers. The man made an entire parody album to go along with his channel. That's next level effort and deserves more attention!
Very cool have always wanted to see if a hydrofoil would work on a plane. On my electric foil board it has 2 wings front and back to stop pitching. Or try the piercing foils plus making them retractable could ultimately work the best.
16:20 looking at it, I'd say that it's almost certainly possible to land it without stalling at 52kts-- taking off would be more difficult, but the ground effect should help it reach the speeds it needs (for example, in soft field takeoffs, we lift off much sooner by applying full back elevator pressure-- however, once in the air, we immediately let off pressure, and stay in the ground effect until rotate speed). I'm pretty sure that plane's wingspan is long enough that it can be in ground effect without the hydrofoils being in water, so I imagine that's how they'll do it.
I think the skis might work like the Sea Dart used. A newer aircraft Burt Rutan made called the Skigull uses a similar approach as well
You answered several questions I have had about hydrofoils. Thank you
Best example of book/internet knowledge and actual knowledge. Lots of people think they know stuff because they read about it, but real life have its own rules. People love to comment trying to correct someone or give suggestion when they never saw or try that in real life by them self.
The reason why the flying boat (Regent) has hydrofoils is to prevent jarring vibration/shock;
A normal flying boat rides on the surface of the water, planing before it rotates. That means that the roughness felt by the passengers/airframe is directly related to the roughness of the water’s surface.
If a seaplane has hydrofoils, it can quickly lift off above surface irregularities, causing a smooth ride as it builds enough speed to rotate. The only time you’d feel the rough surface/waves is at initial acceleration stages when the speed is low and affect on the airframe minimal. Basically a little rough right at the beginning, then transitioning to an incredibly smooth hydroplane affect, followed by rotation.
It actually makes a lot of sense. Same thing with landing; land on the hydrofoils, then by the time the plane decelerates enough they don’t generate enough lift to lift the airframe above the water, the plane is going slow enough that the rough water won’t be too abusive to the airframe.
Remembering what you said about all ground effects being able to, with enough power, fly, I thought about how crazy it look to see a lun class ekreno plan flying at the same altitude has a fighterjet
Very good lesson on the efficiency of hydrofoil
Thank you so much for giving this a try! it's fun to see my comment in the video!
This is excellent, I'm so very glad to see it just about now. I'm currently making some carbon fiber foils that will be used in kitesurfing and perhaps downwinder SUP riding ~ My rejects (Of which I have several ) could be useful in a real nice one man version of the kind you model. They are overbuilt and it's taken some time to get it right. No demo yet but all the components are solid so far. I'm quite pumped over creating a WING IN GROUND amphibion ! THANKS !
Sweet, this was a nice video to watch also that ending song was great!
Hello, I am an embedded systems and aeronautics engineering student and I think you can keep the hydrofoil in the water by increasing its surface by making it longer but also larger. u could also place the rotors behind the aircraft (like the sr71 for example) and move the hydrofoil more towoards the nose/front of the aircraft. so the thrust is coming from behind and its helps stabilisation, or even better ur can do the opposit keep the rotors in front and bring the hydrofoil more the back you should try it actually it could be interessting keep in mind that performing these two ideas might introduce the need to add a variable angle hydrofoil for way better stabilisation !
I'm not surprised the Hydrofoil doesn't work so well. They work at different speed domains.
But I guess it could be a good idea to control the angle of attack with a servo to find the sweet spot (and possibly even put them into the pitch loop).
Good work on finding the camera. I lost a GoPro 10 at 35' depth. Found it a day after I lost it with a fresh tank, There is not a good GoPro mount available to anchor one for static underwater video. I have been filling goosenecks with lead pearl weights. Works OK.
I'm obsessed (years now) with the idea of a ground-effect vehicle that is propelled by a submerged prop behind the wing. Would you test this please? Love your channel. Thanks (would work with a single wheel too - on real ground)
watching your progression with the ground effect stuff,
'take off' always seems to need more power to achieve breaking the surface?
with the hull drag on water, and you cure this with your par thrust tilt motor set up
you said with an aircraft having a hydrofoil hanging is a lot of drag?
could you make a retractable foil?
so you can get lift from the surface really easily with its lift
then as soon as you get enough airspeed for the ground effect?
retract the foil :)
i guess the challenge there would be to make a boom that didnt have tons of drag.
and to keep the foil in line with the aerofoil while retracting
im sure with all your engineering know how..
you could make it happen as your half way there already ;)
love the vids dude keep it up !
(Another) one of your best! The detail on the theory and experiments is stellar. How you keep finding your posts I don't understand, Aa flyer on a mountainside, a 2 inch camera in a lake...
First time I’ve heard of ventilation being a bad thing but man does it look cool!
I would try to do it the other way around. Like a foiling boat that also uses groundeffect. With a propeller in the water and not in the air. just using Ground effekt for extra lift.
Kicking it up a notch and turning heads more more each time, good show
I'm curious if the sanding was helping to contribute to the ventilation. Like, if you hand-sanded continuously over the width of the bar going into the water, instead of length-wise, would it improve performance? Or if you were able to polish to a mirror-shine?
huge respect for finding that camera 👍
Based on my experience in sailing hull design, I wondered if making a V hydrofoil would help with the transition from air to water. A more gradual "entry".
I also was listening to an AC foiler Catamaran discussion, where they noted that any vertical surface entering the water, induced air down to the foiling surfaces, and created cavitation.
That diagram showed foils entering the water with Dihedral angles, :1:57 - "Surface Piercing" instead of straight down. "Fully Submerged"
Those two category's at :1:57 are deceptive. ALL foils are Surface Piercing, unless you are a Submarine.
Actually, the stagnation point does not remain static with changes in angle of attack. As the angle of attack increases the stagnation point moves backward from the leading edge, on the lower surface of the wing. At high AOA a small portion of airflow on the lower surface is inverted, spilling forward and up from the high pressure under the wing to the low pressure above it, and you can easily test this with smoke tests in a wind tunnel or with short tufts attached to the leading edge of the wing.
About the Regent Seaglider - their prototype also has wingtip pontoons whose holders (not sure of the technical term) prevent the air from escaping sideways and thus increase efficiency. For added bonus, I suppose they act like winglets and help in airplane mode as well. Not sure why they don't have them in the final design. Plus, as mentioned - high wingspan helps keep efficiency even if the wing absolute height is... well higher. Which, in turn, helps operate in rougher weather.
Reverse delta ground effect vehicles can also get away with higher wings (at least their leading edge). Also not sure why we don't get more of these.
Ok, that song at the end makes this awesome.
I think there's one more way to pair these two forces together and that's the way the Vestas Sailrocket 2 achieved it. The two forces have to be in opposition. In the case of the Sailrocket, the hydrofoil actually pulls to keep the boat near the water rather than lift it. I think Sailing Tip's video on the topic explains it very well, I recommed checking it out.
Very interesting video - thanks! Great song at the end too! Im actually building a RC wise craft at the mo... dont think Ill bother trying foils! LOL
I think there might be a way past this with the full-size. Why does it cavitate? It cavitates because you're changing the direction of the water with the foil in order to achieve lift. If you were able to adjust the angle of attack dynamically, you could adjust it to zero, which would minimize cavitation and drag and eliminate lift at high speeds, or adjust it to steep, which would allow for high lift at low speeds.
It is hard to tell from the video, but it didn't look like the steel foils in the first section had much of an airfoil shape? It looked like you were relying on angle of attack and the ram effect of the water being deflected downwards by the foil to produce some upward force? Another great video! It would be very cool if some small foils could be fitted to the pontoons of a seaplane - the amount of power it takes to get the pontoons onto the step (planing) is huge compared to how much power is required to maintain speed on the step. The sooner you can get those big drag-producing pontoon hulls out of the water, the sooner you will reach V(rotate), and less distance would be needed for takeoff. You would make Kenmore Air very happy :)
If i could affford to move to Seattle and your content was the only window into the city i'd ever seen... Bro it seems so beautiful and nice. Also your boys ear looked to be in pain there at the end.