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6:10 Um, the snail exhaust looks like an uncircumcised penis. 😂😂
my dude is all over the place. i love it! 😅
whats wrong with all the dislikes?! 40% WTF?!
I’m not interested 😒
Can u add some butane and a spark ...maybe try an add a afterburner
Because of the fact that these centrifugal designs usually produce a significantly good pressure when allowed to flow, did you try reducing the diameter of the outlet nozzle at all?
I know more air flow is desired but I was thinking just the rear engine with the higher velocity flow and keep the front on with higher volume?
At first I thougth it was a PeterSripol video.
Same bruh
Same
But it was successful
Wow, same
Me too 😂
I bought a broken one.
It happened to be an easy repair too
I had to buy another one.
Still repairable.
*Week later*
Now I have 23 working Dyson vacuum cleaners
Lmfaooooooooooooo
Do you ship?
Sell them
Profit: ???
> Now I have 23 working Dyson vacuum cleaners
The Collective ... is growing!
Can we all stop and appreciate the absolute butter of a landing at 10:12
Was looking for this comment 😅
Dyson might be over engineered, but they’re incredible at what they do.
Over-engineered, over-marketed, but have for a long time been the best by far. There are obviously a number of good product people keeping things going
Dysons are powerful but always have a bunch of gimmicks-over-engineering actually hurts performance. Also harder to clean. Shark vacs are superior because of this.
So, knowing that the intake position is not particularly sensitive to location, you might be able to gain some advantage by burying the centrifugal fans inside a wing with a top surface inlet and exhausts below/aft the wing. The low pressure may well contribute to overall lift.
Thinking about this a bit more, over the course of the day, I would suggest you could have an upper surface inlet inboard, close to the fuselage, if there is one. You may require a fence outboard of the inlet in case the low pressure zone disrupts the outboard flow. The other thing you could do with this (and it could be impractical at this scale....) is to use the jet exhaust as a trailing edge jet, rather than as a propulsion system. This could act as a jet flap and encourage flow attachment when it would otherwise break away - boundary layer control. This has been tried on a few aircraft over the years - today the Shinmaywa US-2 uses a separate power system to generate flow for BLC on flaps, rudder and elevators. Another aircraft to look up is the british Hunting H.126 which was used to investigate these systems.
would be cool in a flying wing
So in static testing no. But in flight there's "ram recovery".
The air rams itself into the intake making the impeller more efficient
would be interesting to test this, because some aeronautical engineers claim that the lift is produced by the reaction force that results from the airflow leaving the wing, not the old concept of low pressure above the wing. If air is sucked away from the top of the wing, it might reduce the pressure there, but it will also reduce the amount of air flowing off the wing. If the old concept is right, then the lift should be improved, if the new ideas are right, the lift should be reduced (provided the air intake is relevant compared to the total wing surface).
@@lukearts2954 Isn't the airflow leaving the wing called the Mach Tuck? Rather than lifting the plane, it changes the CG of the plane enough to cause it to nose down, causing quite a few air crashes in the past. Modern planes have features to prevent this these days so if that claim was true, these modern planes would have had less lift than those in the past but you don't see this, so I'm a bit skeptical about that claim.
This was an awesome project to see in person, thanks for offering to let me do a flight with her! Had a blast. 😁 -Zach
so you didn't say thanks when you were there? you forgot and had to post it here?
@@CaptainHoratioPugwash yeah. I know what it's actually for. but it's so obvious. lol.
Hi Zach
@@CaptainHoratioPugwash r/whoosh ;)
Don't quit ya day job...
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL - and I have followed for YEARS! KEEP GOING.. you are TOP quality!
Agreed. Great sense of humor.
You have to try to build one of those bladeless dyson fan rings to try to get more thrust and efficiency!
I think he's the smartest guy on youtube.
This was so fun and impressive. I was kinda dying at the asymmetric mount to get your center of gravity/lift to be right. Since you have a 3d printer, next time you do this and it needs 2 motors, just print an inverted flow unit so you can mount the motors on the left and right of center line for the craft (in forward direction)! But seriously, this was awesome and the bonus destruction at the end had me stunned!
someone just tossed a $500 vacuum away cuz one battery was bad lmao. good find on your part. i got a dyson and its impressively quite yet powerful like you said in the intro. this should be an interesting video.
yeah why can he find so many dysons?? I wonder where he looked for them..
Wealthy yuppies in Seattle, that's all there is to it.
seattle. lots of people with money
that model is like 12 years old now
A good tip for when the batteries wear out is to get an adapter for DeWalt/Makita or whatever batteries your cordless tools use.
You are so smooth on the stick, those landings were all light as a feather
Not to discredit daniel but he did have a flight controller
If you match the desired speed of the airplane with the area of the inlet with a gradual (low loss) cross section reduction from the inlet bell to the impeller vs the same mass exiting the fan system you will minimize inlet losses and maximize available thrust. Keep in mind that the fan you are using was designed for high inlet velocities with no restriction. Create a ram inlet to maximize the aspiration volume and minimize the aspiration losses . Likewise, the outlet nozzle should do some flow straightening to get maximum impulse, and the area ahead of and outside of the nozzle should be tapered to allow the ambient airstream to gently return to fill the void created by the engine cross section avoiding turbulence rapid shear at the trailing edge. You end up with an aerodynamically efficient engine housing and an efficient energy transfer. Remember that an inlet to a fan that is "starved" will produce less net gain in pressure and therefore a lower exhaust impulse (MV2). Spend more of the energy compressing and accelerating the air to maximize the V2 component of the MV2 formula at the outlet. It will always be true that the M portion is the same for the inlet and the outlet. (conservation of matter) so look for lower V2 at the inlet (larger smooth intake) and highest possible V2 at the outlet. This all would be best achieved by placing the motor with its inlet axis the same as craft direction of travel and then using a bell housing around the motor outlet to collect and compress the air as it moves rearward towards the exhaust nozzle. Voila..electric jet engine. Forcing the air to spin around the volute (many times) instead of moving directly to the outlet with a single turn burns energy as friction and heat.
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@@TheHishamManna what he said
Yeah, make sure it's not to bell though.
Nerd!
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Damn dude, that is impressive.
Impressive, it's flying so stable and smooth. And the sound sounds like a turbo jet engine 😅
Well, it is a compressor.
Turn the intakes up, for VTOL lift! 😋
3:25 that outlet is looking pretty sus...
Man of culture
Did you try even smaller nozzles to see if it increased thrust more?
Really enjoyed watching this one. I like seeing how creative you can be with these flying machines. Great job!
Looking forward to seeing this progressed. I watched the earlier attempts and Kevin T.’s video covering the speed week & his own attempts. Exciting stuff!
Because It acts as a centrifugal compressor, build an afterburner, increase the thrust and burn some fuel ;)
The dyson hair dryer doesnt only pull air from the duct, it uses the venturi effect to pull more air through another opening. that's where all your efficiency went!
pweez twy it XD
Glad to see someone else make the point on vacuums. I've told people that the motor speeds up because it's doing less work, but people never believe me. Just like you pointed out moving the air is the load. If your not moving any air there's no load.
Multi stage and thrust vectoring up next! Enjoy seeing how your projects workout and the thought process behind them.
Well done Daniel, it's a great video. I was thinking of going down the EDF route, as a new RC plane, but now I see that there's a whole lot I didn't think about... can't wait for the next video! 😮
Cool project! Worked amazingly well. I wonder if any gains might be had if you line them up to get a little compound thrust by pointing the outlet from the front motor towards the inlet of the rear motor. Not up close but in the thrust path to give it a little forced induction.
If I remember correctly, the material used in the latest Dyson impellors is a composite of PPS specialty polymer compounded with 30% or 40% glass fiber reinforcement. Plain resin isn't strong enough for the forces endured at extreme RPMs. Should make for exciting high speed explosions though.
I think the backwards intake position was only working well because you designed the intake smoothly, so there will always be smooth airflow, but relative to flying the intake was causing turbulences which it immediately sucked in. one interesting thing is that suction force acts before explosion force, because the vacuum is dragging on the prop blade first acting on the molecules that stick to the surface of the blade, and mainly helps to overcome the inertia moment but its soon outruled by building up thrust (to which it is converted in a stream). I believe it is possible to harmonize and make a plane the works only by pull, however I dont know exactly how that would be, the thrust would have to feed its own intake instead of producing thrust
Cool project! I would look into making the housing have an increasing size, like what it typical on turbochargers.
I was thinking of metal components and an injection of fuel into the exhaust like an afterburner.....now that would be a project 😂
it isn't that hard to ditch the snail shape for an axial shape and get a better aerodynamic profile.
you could also check a multi-stage dyson turbine. it might increase both ejection velocity and flowrate.
specially for a motorjet engine ;)
Stacking identical compressors usually does nothing. You'd need the second one to be smaller so that there is a net confinement of the flow. The open air compressor can develop pressure because there is an unrestricted mass flow of air into it, but the second one can only work with the fixed volume that the first provides it. You might even see a decrease in net pressure if you stack them due to the back pressure on the first lowering its efficiency. You might see something happen if you use multiple parallel compressors to feed a single additional compressor, as that would create the net restriction needed to develop further pressure.
@@dustinbrueggemann1875 You need a stator too. An axial compressor stage is, like, really freaking hard to build.
@@NonEuclideanTacoCannon I don't think vortex effects are going to matter when there's already a manifold duct involved. Maybe some parallel baffles on the mouth of the second stage would do a little bit, but its not like the angular moment of the flow will be anywhere close to the speed of the impellers.
This isn't the usual sort of content I watch on YT yet I found this very interesting. Seems like there is more potential to be unlocked here. Great work!
LOL, a screenshot at 4:07 is definitely tee-shirt worthy😄
Cool to see! I actually did the exact same thing you did to the two motors. The only difference was that i wanted to design the "snail" so that the area inside of the snail does match the area that the motor outlet has from beginning to a certain point at any point around the motor. So the inner area of the snail rises parallel to the area of the outlet while you go "arround" the motor...if that makes any sense. I did this to have the same airpressure everywhere inside of the snail. I couldn´t finish it sadly. My CAD skills are still not good enough to make this happen :(
Maybe you can make something akin to a jet engine:
You set the impeller in the middle and let the exhaust of the impeller get redirected from all sides, basically creating a sort of bell shape that tapers off towards the end. Then you take a sort of trumped shaped inlet, so when the aircraft flies, it generates static pressure infront of the impeller, so it acts like a compressor.
No idea about how aerodynamic that would be, but that is how I would do it, personally.
Was going to suggest the same.
A setup like that could make for a more compact "thruster".
for the next plane, remote controlled start, could work. also setting up the vacuum motors like jet engines could help with the stability, as well as ducting the intake could help with the thrust issues.
Great project with wonderful engineering. Well done...Dyson would be impressed.
Small correction - the Dyson engineers did the engineering.
Well, sure, they may have refined it, but James Dyson has a background in engineering and industrial design and spent about 15 years making his first bagless vacuum with cyclonic separation. So, I think it’s fair to give the guy a little credit, even if many of current components weren’t designed by him.
You could replace the snail flow-director with the same kind of flow director used in centrifugal-flow jet engines, which redirects the air all around the centrifugal flow and directly backwards.
then you could put a flame catch can and inject fuel and burn it for more thrust
That would only benefit an internal combustion engine. There is NO reason to bypass air if there's no combustion happening inside of it.
@@davelowets It's not a bypass, it's just a way of more evenly distributing the flow. See the following image for what. I mean. Ignore the combustion and turbine, just look at the compressor and how the air flows around it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_compressor#/media/File:Turbojet_operation-centrifugal_flow-en.svg
i love how you open things
its, beautiful
This channel kept popping up in my feed and I'm so glad I watched it this time! Fun and just technical enough.
13:00 I'm not sure but I would say that most of the difference would come from the orientation relative to the moving air. In a static test, where there's no airflow this would have no effect (right?)
Technically the low pressure zone would still provide thrust as it is just Pressure * Area
@@christianlabanca5377 But i would expect the front-facing one to outperform the other one while moving, as it experiences a higher dynamic pressure. With static pressure it's just the same
Great video. Since the Dyson can create such a huge pressure differential, I'd be curious to see what a nozzle might do to increase thrust
What do you think he has on the end of it already?? 🤔
I'll be damned, it's a NOZZLE!! 😕
This video was suggested by TH-cam. It earned an instant sub after looking at some of your other video titles. Ingenious work!
Love it. Nice experimenting, especially rotating the intakes
What a cool project, didn't think there was any way those tiny motors would have enough thrust!
The motor is over 150 watts, and is very efficient, it had BETTER..
Id have a look at the Dyson hair driers if you can get them cheap, they're axial flow I think. Id also like to think 2 of those fan and motor units (compressors) mounted vertically staggered in a fuselage and a 60 degree swept wing would make a pretty fast aircraft... Like a tribute to the EE Lightning 😍
The problem with the hair driers is that they run on AC input. So they aren't as suitable for such an RC conversion...
I love the park at the end with a racing drone crashes into the foamy airplane when explodes every word that has happened to me before it’s fun😂😂😂
Really inspiring how much you channel has grown and that your getting sponsors now like crazy. You never changed your style to clickbait and I respect that a lot.
I wonder if a "flow multiplier" like in bladeless fans would improve thrust over a simple nozzle.
Same thought!
The intake at 6:11 looking really suspicious after you made it pink ;)
Brilliant idea for a project!! Well done.
If you do a lot of 3D printing - which it seems you do :) - one trick for connecting FDM prints is to “glue” them together using the same plastic spool used to print them. There’s a dozen different ways to do this…but my favorite is to use a cheap $35 3D printer PEN, and feed a length of your spool through it. You can then just sand off any of the excess to give you a seamless connection that few would be able to tell was “glued together.”
Keep it up!
Sometimes those sharp edges at the inlet help the compressor to achieve a slightly wider compressor map. Uses the disturbed boundary layer to achieve a cheap port shrouding effect via forcing more flow towards the center of the wheel
I beg you, please calibrate your FDM printer
yeah that was the best quality footage i've seen of an absolute trash print in ages
OK now connect the exhaust of one centrifugal fan to the intake of the other one
You'd have to mess with the diameters of the tubing for the intake of the 2nd stage fan I think
Multi stage centrifugal pumps don't increase the flow rate but it does increase the total head. Since the thrust produced is from the flow rate then the thrust wouldn't be increased. You could try altering the diameter of the exhaust of the 2nd stage with a converging nozzle as the pressure would be higher to attempt to accelerate the air more to produce more thrust maybe.
Woud love to see you use one inpeller to power a dyson bladeless fan which would probably provide a lot more thrust-to weight ratio. Jetoptera is actually using this technology to power the drones they are developing. Down the road you could rotate the dyson fans in fligt to take-off vertically and then fly horizontally.
The flared intake pulls air from all round. I guess you were hoping for the koanda effect to add lift/pull, but I think ram pressure overrides that. Replace flared intakes with a straight, sharp edged tube , so it pulls only from Infront. Ideally also fair the outside edges, but not so vital with the airodynamics of that beast. Possibly a stator to true up the intake would help, but not sure
Next the bladeless Dyson fan?
That pink tip lol
That was almost as much fun to watch as it must have been to make. Very interesting concepts being brought to reality.
I've heard of vacuum motor powered hovercraft, but this is a new one. I actually copied and 3D printed that impeller design, but in the end, I was too scared to actually put it on a brushless. I just knew that the forces would tear it apart and send plastic shrapnel everywhere.
In motion, I'm wondering instead of a tuba shaped inlet if a more conical would reduce drag while still providing a smooth laminal flow
Also due to lack of fan speed control, it'd be interesting to see if controlling the nozzle diameter could control speed/thrust
Yes nozzle or inlet control, it is a vacuum after all so you can't over rev it.
That was an awesome video and love the work you do! Actually looking forward to seeing some of the prototype designs you showed off at the end of the video there!
And some rather incredible drone flying, doing loops around another craft
Watching you smash apart a vacuum violently just after watching NileRed delicately procure a tiny vial of cherry flavour from paint thinner is quite jarring.
I’m always impressed by Dyson stuff, especially what little I’ve heard from people that have worked on it .
Im not at all impressed with the materials used, and the prices charged, for Dyson products..
You’re a mad genius. Extremely satisfying watch!
Dyson should send you a box of left overs for all kinds of projects! You make some really cool stuff, and I wish I could be organized enough to start and finish a project. - Cheers
You explain everything so nice. You are a great teacher. Thank you
it would be interesting to see how much you could change on just building around the dyson motor to improve flight performance such as the output diameter. You could also run small direct tubing from the exhaust holes on the motor into the snail to try to increase thrust
Has anyone ever told you that you kinda look the engineer version of logic? Great video as always, really like that you tested multiple factors and explained everything so well
The flat profile of the impeller would probably mount nicely inside the wing reducing drag could 3d print as part of wing as one unit. Loved you work brilliant idea 💡
I've aways through about using vaccum cleaner as RC plane thruster (and also if you could do one with hair dryers) but i think you shall try to shape your engines, not as a turbocharger, but as a reactor. I mean put it with the compressor facing the air flow and attached under the wings (like a passager plane) or half way in the fuselage like a fighter jet. Maybe the second will reduce the drag.
In any case well done you've realised one of my childhood mad experience
Well as you turned the inlets around you lowered the pressure of the air going in, so the fan just spun faster and compensated the loss of power by consuming more power (due to lower efficiency) and more RPM
I absolutely luv this and definitely gonna give it a go
First time watcher. Brilliant video. Loved the sense of humor and slick into to the sponsor. Witty and soaked with interesting techy detail. A+
Crazy. Great job and piloting
You are doing this world a great service sir! You do 'would that shit work' stuff IRL and share with us other nerds on TH-cam 10/10 ❤
Amazing video !! Really enjoyed watching it ! Keep up the good work guys
Back in the college days, 1982, in bio lab, I used stereo microscope to draw images of specimens on a slide, using 1 eye and optic to view, and the other eye to project on to the desk and paper.
Love to watch your channel Daniel. Well done.
Your plane is flying very stable, most probably due to to gyroscopic motions generated by the blower. Thanks for the video.
Will you think about producing some of the assembling kits relating to your previous projects for sale on TH-cam, amazon, or, on your own websites.
Many of my friends are interested in the auto pilot boats, surface effect crafts and planes, and they don't have time to figure out where and what to buy these amazing devices.
This was great to watch thanks for sharing
These shots in the end are CRAZY! Very cool project!
that was some fun rapid unscheduled disassembly at the end ^_~. and man that dyson motor is insane.
Adding some dihedral (upward angling) on the wings, might've allowed the rudder to influence roll while also providing some inherent roll stability.
Dude, the stuff you're doing is seriously cool! Also love all the boat stuff.
I like how you so gingerly dissected p the vacuum
The Factor meals looks okay and loving your clips.
I think the chase drone and onboard video is very impressive!
cool video mate, i liked the additional clips at the end XD
This reminds me of the Dave Gingery book, How To Design & Build Centrifugal Fans For the Home Shop.
You can use the compressing capabilities to skip over the turbo part of a turbojet and make a dyson powered jet with a lot more thrust
Thank you (seriously) for never saying "that begs the question." Your proper use of English is admirable.
Also; your throttle control setup is functionally the same as that of the Stopwith Camel ("throttle" was controlled by engaging and disengaging the ignition system), and that was THE best combat airplane of WW I.
You can make a housing for the impeller that redirects the radial output of the air stream into axial flow. That how most of the cooling fans on grow systems are arranged.
You taught me something new thank you
that was a fine landing!
Super interesting! Thanks for sharing
I wonder if even more power would be unlocked if the air outlet had a smaller diameter
Amazing footage. You really deserve much more publicity. Great content 🙏🏽😎🤙🏽
You are a certified genius love this plane
Put a smile in my face. Hilariously well done!
About diverting the inlet-bell backward, perhaps the Drag was reduced to compensate the (gone)tiny thrust (compared to inlet vacuum) produced by these same bells/inlets..!!
YOU ARE KILLING IT! Freakin love your work
Excellent Engineering. Very Interesting. Well Done. Thank You.
Look at how a turbo comp cover and anti surge section is made for some efficiency gain and velocity gain also look at the ratio of intake or inducer size to outlet nozzle size velocity should help thrust