It's not right that the SA wasn't allowed in the 2nd trial. Their testimony was heartbreaking. The way people treated boys that were abused back then is wrong. They need to be set free!
@@MisterCrockett This is what people are missing due to emotions. As much you want to believe them it has to be proven. Also the letter was allegedly written 8 months before the murder and both the recipient, Andy & Erik testified. And yet neither of them mentioned the letter, which would’ve been key evidence? I don’t understand…
@@AllAboutPurple Okay listen 8 months do you think it would have been remembered ESPECIALLY with all the stress and the court trial? You have to think about that.
@@bellaisapepper If I’m facing Life in Prison or Death penalty, I’m definitely remembering it, because if what was written in that letter is true, which was abuse as a teen/adult, then. That would have fresh painful memory. Again 8 months before the murders & it alleged continued assault. Lawyers would’ve prepped Andy & got info from him before his testimony. Even in 30 years in prison, when the verdict judgment had been handed down, they he should’ve remembered, he had a lot of time on his hands to do so in prison.
I feel like too many reports gloss over the fact that Lyle testified that his mother was s’xually ab’sive towards him. Kitty wasn’t just complicit in Jose’s abuse of her sons, she was an active participant.
Why are you so sure in your beliefs? It’s their word and you are condemning a murdered woman with zero proof other than the words of murderers and proven liars.
Always makes me feel weird that Gypsy Blanchard is out here making insane money from TV shows and being naively loved by many, flaunting around online… but these brothers are rotting in prison?? I’m not saying the violence in either case is excusable - I just think the comparison is wild 😢😢
Well there's been a lot of controversy on whether the abuse the boys suffered really happened. Gypsy's abuse was easily proven with medical documents of the forced pretend illnesses that her mother told everyone she had. I believe with all the new evidence coming out the Mendez brothers will be released in the spring of next year
@@JC-jr9hwthey also found pictures the Dad or mom had of the boys penis. No parent has a picture of just that. Naked in the bathtub, yes, but not of that. It's weird.
I watched the new documentary on Netflix and it seems the prosecutor had a personal vendetta against them she had no sympathy and was very angry! And it was unfair they couldn't use their SA defense!! Isn't everyone entitled to a defense?
Agree, they should have been allowed to present their defense and let the jury decide. Even Sarah Boone is being allowed to present her battered spouse defense despite all the major inconsistencies with her story.
I noticed that too! After all these years, she was clearly still holding a petty grudge against Leslie Abramson & didn't care about having a fair trial at all.
@@jonathanarnold1844 I am am so sorry I am glad that you were validated I also am a survivor and having your innocence stolen changes who you could of been
Totally deceitful pair of villainous "parents". I listened to the original court case and believed the boys. There was one doctors evidence which I considered as collaborative with regards to abuse. He had examined the boy on one of the occasions he attended the emergency department at the hospital. The injuries he had sustained were consistent with abuse trauma.
Anyone gullible enough to fall for the "Abuse" excuse needs help. They could have walked away they were plenty old enough. They went on 700,00.00 shopping spree. That is very telling. They planned the murders and hid the evidence. Abuse is alleged and there has been no evidence. They were greedy adults that couldn't wait for their parents' money
@@princessshenaniganspresent5538 Impossible, it must be the best-known story in the world, and if they didn't know it, they wouldn't come here to see what was NEW.
They were victims of their monster parents. They were abused and traumatized brutally in every way. Their parents and society failed them miserably. Release them! It’s about time.
Following the same rationale, their parents might have been abused and traumatised as kids (hard to say as they have been killed), so as a result they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions, as in the end they might also be in their own ways, victims of society or their parents. Everyone failed everyone so we should condone violence as it's someone else fault, the notion of free will doesn't exist so we are clueless victims, with a few exception society defines as monsters (these guys don't have traumas they are just bad) and the rest should be released based on a popular vote on social media.
These two brothers need to be free that Netflix documentary almost had me in tears the fact that the sa wasn’t allowed in the 2nd trial was just absolutely beyond belief
In prison for 35 years is enough time for them to be in prison. They are in their 50's & they haven't done anything wrong in prison. I watched the trial & I have been following this story for 35 years!! Enough is enough to finally be with their families. Please let them go to live out the rest of their lives in freedom!!🥺🥺🥺
In reality, theyre going "before a JUDGE"! So youre stating its okay to murder if anyone is S.A? Both are disgusting! These are also "claims" and blown up on social media!
@@leiakikiyeah because they wouldn't dare to go against Jose either, he was the boss and held all the power in the family, if they were afraid enough of him, why do ppl expect the boys to be able to stand up against him. The one time Erik said no to him he had a knive at his throat. The man wasn't to be messed with. I'm honestly not sure myself how Erik would have been able to get out, since his Dad could had all the resources to tracked them down if they run, especially when he was afraid they would tell on him.
@@65tjomo there’s literally 1000s of clear cut cases where family members stand by murderers . Why is this one any different ? It’s so obvious they done it for the money. And by the way, we’re judging people who shot their parents 15 times in a cold calculated murder. They even went back to reload and shoot again.
I've been rewatching the trial since finishing the series. How the juries remained hung after the first trial just baffles me. It should have ended in manslaughter charge at that point.
@@savagepro9060 the kardashian/Jenner family is literally living off all of their fans backs and then she wants us to believe that these men who m’dered their parents are innocent because they lied about their dad m{}lesting them years earlier. They were lied about it then and they are still lying. Everything that comes out of their mouths are lies. I didn’t believe them then and I certainly don’t believe them now.
@@GarthGoldberg there’s no justification for murder, but, a huge understanding of what caused it. I’m a mother, and if I ever sat by and allowed anyone to violate my children, I’d absolutely deserve the same retaliation!!! These boys were TORTURED!!!! Anyone who steals a child’s innocence is a disgusting monster!!! And those who tolerate it are even worse!!
@@PinkPrudie29 🙌🏽🫶🏽 Thank You!!!! I can’t stand the people that defend Kitty like she was a poor victim. She knew what was going on in the house, she participated, she said she didn’t wanted children, she was also present when he had other kids in the house. Enablers are equally guilty, and she was a mother, she had the main responsibility to protect her kids. Thanks for being a mother with accountability.
Ikr! It's shocking there aren't that many comments about her....she is clearly very bitter and unstable. Her stubbornness is over the top; lady, the words "I was wrong" are far more admirable than your childish behavior on film
@@deja565508 I know the message from her all too well, dear. Idolization, seduction, body dysmorphia, desire for attention, etc. Every message she sends out (in particular to impressionable young women) to the world is garbage. Surely she advocates for certain convicted criminals for early release. However, you won’t hear the other side from the jury, family testimonies, etc. of why said criminals were convicted in the first place. I don’t allow Netflix form my opinion on a subject and certainly won’t entertain the words of a career jezebel to sway me a certain way towards anything. If you feel a different way then by all means you do you.
They were terribly abused their entire childhood and then spent 35 years in an all-male prison, where I am sure they have experienced more of the same. Abuse changes who we are, and often, abused boys grow up to be abusers themselves, so before I join the "let them out" chorus, I need to know what kind of therapy they've had and what kind of men they have become. They are now in their 50s, and whether or not they're a threat to society has yet to be determined.
All the more reason we need prison reform. People should not come out a bigger threat to society than they went in. If "prison turns people into criminals "is an argument to keep people in, then by that logic we can't ever let anyone out, even people falsely imprisoned or who have served their full term.
@boring_elderly_millenial There are some people in prison today who have said that they actually learned how to be a criminal after they were falsely imprisoned the first time. It does happen that way, sometimes. I think it depends on the individual on whether they have the potential to reform or just become a better criminal. I think that the place to begin is with reform, but have them re-evaluated on an individual basis.
Not just that evidence, but all the key evidence from the 1st trial that was omitted in the 2nd because the judge claimed boys couldn't be SA. Over 50 witnesses (family, friends, etc) who testified about the SA was excluded. Plus, the jury was given unreasonable sentencing instructions, forcing them to choose between convicting of 1st degree or saying no crime was committed at all. The DA was up for re-election & desperately needed a win after losing high-profile cases like Rodney King & OJ, & they made sure to get a conviction in the Menéndez case. At most, the bros should’ve received imperfect self-defense/manslaughter, which was an option in the 1st trial but not in 2nd. This was clearly an unjust situation that deserves to be retried, at the very least. Otherwise, free these guys with time served!
Trouble is, if you are going to say 35 years served is enough, then don't you have to revise all the other "life without parole" sentences too? To be fair?
no. they wouldn't have to do that. this was a special high profile case that had with two completely different trials because the first had two hung jury deliberations and the second trial (the solution) omitted evidence from the first to land a conviction. Most trials aren't like that. If ANYTHING, I think they would have to look at trials that might have done similar tactics, and used the same judge.
you would only revise other "life without parole" sentences if there was reasonable evidence to justify reviewing it. That is evident with the case of the Menendez brothers. If other jailed persons with life without parole have enough evidence, then they too would have their case reviewed.
No, it’s a case by case basis. In this case evidence that rightfully should have been considered to determine guilt was withheld only to be considered at sentence. But once you’ve determined the charge they’re convicted with aka first degree murder the only mitigation at sentence is death penalty versus life without parole. This is a miscarriage of justice. Cases without any new evidence or indication of potential miscarriage of justice would not be revisited
"We do not see anything wrong with the original trial" is just vile considering it was mentioned that men can't be r* and they weren't allowed to speak about it.
Only have to look at the latest research on the psychological harms inflicted on child soldiers on their learning and wellbeing. For this reason, the US Army doesn't hire 14 year old's to operate a rifle. Yet, we have folks thinking 14 year old Carly Gregg was mature in her actions. Smh.
Those two men were tortured and made to do horrific things when they were just babies smfh and before someone tries to come up under my post and say they weren't u obviously didnt watch the first trial there are literally witnesses 😒🙄whoever says they dont deserve freedom is sick and just as corrupted as their parents 🤷🏽♀️
but the difference is gypsy didn't kill her mother she got someone else to do it THE BROTHERS actually BOTH killed their parents READING IS FUNDAMENTAL
Shooting the mother with the shotgun. She was still alive, crawling to escape. One of the killers went outside to the car to reload & came back inside to finish her off. Bad.
Um hum. S.a. created rage but is that a defense? If they were girls, would they have done That? Stats on violent crime say no. People saying they were sentenced more harshly than if they were girls need to consider that. Usually females don't commit the brutal kind of murders, which this was. They had alternatives. They could have left home.
@Walker-q4q why didn't they report the abuse to the police instead of killing them? 😒 Rather than perpretrate what could only be reported as overkill.
@@AllAboutPurple That is wild!! What was he thinking?! I have read a little about the ‘new evidence’ letter that was found in the cousin’s possession after he passed away. And it’s hard to think why the cousin, Andy, who did testify at both trials, didn’t mention the letter in his testimony, especially at the first trial? And the other theory that the letter was sent to back up the impending murder. It’s just so hard to know with this guys! If only walls could talk.
I would love to see them out. And yes I am old enough also to know this case. If there is no evidence to prove they were sexually interfered with, then there is also none to prove it didn’t happen. Both Lyle and Eric to me my whole adult life seem to be telling the truth.
I grew up in Orange County, CA just south of Los Angeles in the 80s. I remember this case vividly. I distinctly remember comments like, "boys can't be r*@#$ because they have to be aroused for anything to happen." We have come a LONG way since then. I'm no fan of Kardashian but she got this one right. If it was the Mendendez sisters, they would have been left off or not charged at all. And there would have been resources to help them before it got to that point.
Back then, I heard it's against the law to make a person do something he doesn't want to do, even if he is a male, but crimes like that go unpunished pretty often if the victim is male.
When Erik and Lyle said they felt sorry for their mother and her murder was more like euthanasia. That is a lie. I think they hated their mother for not saving and protecting them. They were further victimized by Oziel who is completely unethical and didn't care about the consequences to the brothers.
With all due respect that’s incorrect. They only have to report if you threaten a future crime, or you threaten to harm yourself. Confessing to a crime in the past is very much protected under patient/doctor confidentiality. In this case, because the brother threatened the Dr, that is the reason why the conversations were not protected. Threatening your Dr immediately voids your patient/Dr confidentiality. @@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door
@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door No, that's not true at all. In most states they have to keep this information private unless given permission to release it or if they say they are going to commit a crime in the future. Some jurisdictions require mental health professionals to tell authorities if their patient admitted to a crime, but there's special stipulations. Generally speaking they are not supposed to reveal past information if there is no threat to people being hurt in the future. In this case it's a toss up. I would say I understand why they spoke up, but I will also add they should have come to the conclusion they were not a danger to others and that they killed their parents because of the abuse. It's not like they were violent criminals.
@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door He was also scared do his life. They should never get out I was they at the start. They were adults. And it was premeditated and a horrific double murder.
The judge and the DA purposely were biased and wouldn’t let them discuss the evidence in the second trial. They wanted a conviction no matter how they had to get it. Let these men out and start their lives! They have served enough time!!!
I have followed this case since it began all the way back in 1989 and I was one of those people who was saying lock them up for life! While I totally believe there was another choice that the Menendez brothers could’ve made at the time after 35 years and with everything that has come out, it’s time to let them out of prison. Clearly they do not pose a threat to society and I now believe they have more than served enough time!
If not an eye for an eye, then why didn't you say this after they spent one week in the pokey? Obviously not a thuh - redt to society, and they "learned their lesson" after the first week, right? And gunplay is just "boys being boys", right? And the icing on the cake is that the Internet proclaims it was only m-slot-her to pull the trigger 15 times, uh huh! Ah, California attitudes so elevate the species!
Charles Manson never killed anyone, he died in prison. These two sociopaths shot their parents 18 times with a 12 gauge pump, going back outside to reload. They spent 700,000 dollars of their dads money after they blew his head off.
If they are so innocent why did they try to escape from prison.......... I know.....I worked there when this happened. They found home made escape devices that they made.
Honest questions from a non-lawyer. What difference would the letter make? Would they have been found guilty of a lesser crime? Would it also impact the sentence for the killing of the mother if there is no mention in the letter about her?
Yes, very possibly they could have been convicted of a lesser crime. That is exactly the issue that caused the mistrial during their first trial. The jurors could not agree on the level of homicide-1st degree or manslaughter.
@@IvanRivera-h8n it makes a huge difference...It would make a big difference for me on the jury....would it make a difference for you if they were Menendez sisters and not brothers...and sexually abuse by their father...the mother knowing and not doing anything....
@@misamasa1 that sounds like you’re condoning a double homicide. You believe that the men were raised in a different family than I. I believe that the men lied about their upbringing to justify their actions. I believe they are still literally lying about everything to try to get out of jail. Years of letter writing about abuse that is all one sided. They are where they belong and where they should stay.
I feel bad for them but they were old enough to just leave! They were free to come and go as they please so literally could have just left and moved out.Then went to the police and pressed charges against their parents. They didn't have to kill them.
@@CMonaLisa157 oh yes, I do have a heart trust and believe. They are grown men they could’ve left home. They could’ve called the authorities. No, they didn’t. They wanted the money, spoiled brats. So reap what you sow
Sadly, the most important stuff she does is not what she promotes. Her priorities are completely out of whack. She has been a legitimate and powerful prison reform advocate for decades, but she pushes her crap stuff instead...
Those boys only attacked those that were harming them. I do not believe they would've ever harmed anyone then, or now if they weren't trying to simply stop the abuse
After all that these men (boys at the time) experienced at the hands of their parents, I agree that they needed some help and rehabilitation. But, they did not need to be banished to prison for the rest of their lives. They were tortured and traumatized since early childhood. They lived in fear of their parents their entire lives.
@@coffeecup6751their Father had immense power & control over the family, unless you’ve been sexually groomed, conditioned & abused by a parent from a very early age, their ages when the crime occurred is irrelevant. Not one character witness for Jose Menendez - speaks volumes.
@@rlm-8333 I remember when it happened I was in my 20s on my own. It took care of myself.. They were grown men sorry individuals make their own wealth. Like I said before they need to remain in prison.
Wait what? You said at the end of the video that they're in separate prisons... weren't they just reunited in the last few years/months? They're now in the same pod, in the same prison
@@leiakiki yeah that’s what I thought! Funny they got that wrong at the end. That was the reason for the prison photo of Lyle with the massive smile on his face 😆 🥺
The jurors never would have convicted if they knew what had happened like they did at the first trial. It was the same judge the second time and he said he learned what he did wrong, so said I won’t allow the abuse excuse. They were denied a defense and victimized over and over again. It was wrong from start to finish and you can’t get any more wrong than that.
I watched the whole trial as it unfolded. I have been keeping up with them all these years. I always thought they were afraid to tell what was happening, especially while their parents were alive. Who would believe the boys over the parents, and if they did tell someone while they were alive, they were probably scared to death of what they would do to them afterwards. In their minds, they probably felt they only had one way out.
There are so many victims in prison for life that will never get out because they're not the famous Menendez brothers. These two slaughtered both their parents. How many thousands upon thousands of other victims THAT WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING made different choices? Ran away? Went to the authorities? They didn't have to murder them.
Even if they would’ve went to the authorities there dad had power so it wouldn’t matter if they did and the fact the mom knew and didn’t protect the boys like a mom should she just let it happened
The brothers could have moved out. They werent in danger of their perverted Dad when they killed the parents. They stood for the money, cars and mansion.
Their father was so powerful and he had threatened them that he himself would end them if they ever bucked up to him. He had all of the money, he had all of the power and he had been mentally and physically abusing them their entire lives. Your comment is asinine.
I've always wondered, if the brothers were in fear for their lives, why they didn't put as much distance between themselves and their parents as possible? If they thought they were going to be written out of their parent's wills it would make sense that they needed to do something drastic before that could happen.
You should watch the new documentary. It explains this. They thought college was their out when they turned 18, but their dad would not let them go away to college and made them stay at home. That’s when they snapped.
They We’re not in fear. They were adults and could have left anytime. Money. They wanted. They are right we’re they should be. If not. Then they are saying it is okay to do a double premeditated murder.
@@whitneyhesmer6648 They could have left anytime, while they were out and about. They had their own vehicles, money and time to go out to restaurants etc. If they were being held by golden handcuffs, which doesn't count IMO.
Because they are liars. Were they abused? Probably. Did it get ugly? Yep. But then they decided to horrendously murder their parents. As an abuse survivor, I do NOT condone their actions, or their release.
I believe the abuse claims. I don't think that they are a danger to the general public and they have served a significant sentence already. I think that they should be set free now.
I’m no expert but if this was about money you’d think it would be planned properly. If it was premeditated, they would’ve had a rock solid alibi. If they did it for money, they wouldn’t have sat there waiting for the police to come. If they wanted an early inheritance they wouldn’t have left guns in their car. If they lied about the abuse, Erik wouldn’t have sat in the court room biting his finger to stop himself from crying 🤷♀️ Monsters try to force the tears out, not bite themselves to force them to stop.
I was a little girl when the Mendez brothers were trial for a second time for the tragic crime of them ending, their parents lives. I had a question on why they didn’t confess to the psychologist about the abuse that was going on with their parents, but they confess to the crime and so I decided to google the psychologist and peoples magazine has a very interesting article about the psychologist and the confession that they made to him in confidence. I think this case is a lot more complicated and that the more you peel back the layers the more you find interesting things about it.
If they were bragging about what they did, they wouldn't include what their parents did as bragging. The thing is, law is what is supposed to determine the outcome of their cases. Some places consider what they did as self-defense, but California law doesn't recognize ending child Moe Lesters lives as self-defense. It's going to be very difficult for the Menendez boys to walk out free men.
@@MrJuvefrank in the article that I read on peoples magazine they didn’t talk about what their parents did to them. They insinuated that the reason why they did it was their mother couldn’t live without her husband, so I was to put her out of her misery and that their father was an intolerable person to deal with and that they got this from a documentary
@@MrJuvefrank I’m pretty sure they’re going to you know review the case and see the evidence again I know that they said that the psychologist was a Sleeze ball, but he wasn’t the one that that went to the police. It was his ex that went to the police with these tapes and the reason why they made these tapes immiscible in court is because they threatened him, and the judge found that this no longer breaks client privilege confidentiality because they made threats to him
@@gabegood8989 yes, because the stories could not be substantiated, again there is no actual proof. And a dv defence only existed for women at that time in California, not for men.
You really believe that this letter sat around for all those years and was never brought forward by the people that supported the brothers from the beginning? I just dont buy it.
I don't think that even girl's would've been treated much better, because in the late 80's/early 90's SA was still treated like a "they asked for it" kind of thing... male or female. That started to shift with the release of films like Jody Foster in "Accused". It's not even that society hadn't evolved in the understanding of SA, but it also didn't even understand things like narcissism & Narcissistic abuse. I think more than the Mendendez brothers not being girls... the real issue was the parent's wealth. Had the Mendendez brothers come from a poor family with no inheritance to gain the outcome may have been different. It's the wealth that's always used against them & their motives & caused a dismissal of their claims despite all the actual evidence of abuse.
I’m really praying the brothers finally get a just resentencing. They’ve spent 35 years oftheir life in prison, and a life before that being abused in every way by their parents. It’s time they get to live a life free and safe for the first time ever!
They unalived both their parents. They’re making vile accusations against two people who are dead. Child molestation is one of the worst crimes there are. But they were both adults over 18. What they should’ve done is tell the authorities about what was happening. But turning in their parents meant that they wouldn’t inherit any of their father’s fortune and this is why their crime is premeditated first degree murder and their original sentence should stand.
It was a totally different time. We had NO mental health support, instead we were told to suck it up. NOBODY who was being molested would have ever spoken out, it would have been ignored and treated the victim with shame. If this happened today i would agree with you, but it's not comparable.
@@lizswenson2813agree. Also, let’s not forget what abuse does to a developing human brain. Some areas don’t fully develop because of the trauma. Factor that in with being teens & how the decision making part of the brain was effected.
@@chris-uh2xo They were on the 1981 on will, and started spending like crazy after finding the 1981 will & destroying any evidence or possibility of another will.
He surrendered his license. It probably would have been stripped from him otherwise. He was ethically in trouble for dating clients. That is a big no-no.
FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS! Their parents were the monsters, those two men deserve a second chance at life to finally be free and happy after all they endured in their childhood. They served more than enough time. The second trial was rigged, unfair, and unjust. Set them free! 🙏
ok even if they were abused, which is only hearsay, it still doesn't negate the fact that they murdered their parents. Have you ever heard of the saying, two wrongs don't make a right? Idk if they were abused or not but I do find it suspicious that they killed the parents right after they were told they were being cut out of the will. These monsters are were they belong. But I keep forgetting that we live in a time where criminals are treated better than law-abiding citizens.
Man I really hate to say this but you sound like you are an abuser. If you are not hopefully you get abused. Yeah I know that was kind of mean but then again you're saying that they shouldn't have done the only thing that they felt they could do in order for them to not be abused for the rest of their lives. Do the research on this case.
@@jeanniebrown446you’ve lost your mind. Wow 😳 they were grown adults and could have went to police instead they planned a brutal murder of their parents and tried to cover it up. Shame on you.
You really have missed the whole point…they were afraid of their dad and powerful man after telling him they were going to out his for his CRIMES . Do your research plz.
@@pc9020 I know this case quite well, I was an adult when this happened. It doesn't change the fact that premeditated murder, along with trying to find an alibi for the murders is not a reasonable option for what they claim their father did.
@@A.M-b8t But he DID leave for college and they COULD have left without repercussions - the only 'repercussion' would have been they get cut off from Jose's bank accounts. That happens to thousands of kids every day. I have zero sympathy for either of them.
Why didn’t they tell their therapist that they were being abused? Plus they were adults when they blew their parents away - they could have pressed charges against their father or something. They just wanted the money.
Their father had the therapist sign a document stating that he would tell him everything they said in their sessions. It wasn't a safe space for them to speak about the abuse.
@@orangepop. was that proven because the therapist could have lost his license. Doesn’t make sense that he wouldn’t tell the cops about the confession but was ok disclosing patient info to the father.
They spent $700,000 after they murdered their parents? Don’t believe a word either one of them had to say. They were both old enough to have left home but were too spoiled to go out and get jobs.
I don't think it's fair for the brothers to be sentenced to life without parole. They should've been sentenced with a possibility of parole or charged with manslaughter. Many of their family members believe them when they came out with the abuse they suffered at the hands of their parents and want them free. They've served their time so it's time for them to be released.
Why do you say that eyewitness testimony isn't evidence? Seems like a basic legal definition that undermines testimony from victims. If you want to refer to forensic evidence please say that instead. Not considering witness testimony to be evidence is factually wrong.
I’ve been watching your TH-cam videos for the past week, and they’re really great! You’re doing a fantastic job as a content creator. How long have you been on TH-cam, and what challenges have you faced with your channel?
Herein lies the challenge: They premeditated and planned it, they were adults at the time of the crime (didn't live at home/had other options), they attempted to conceal their involvement and THEN they spent their parents $$$$$....... EVERY criminal has an "excuse" in their history- it does NOT change what they did and the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of people with a past don't execute their "supposed abuser".
@@tinameyer7080 however serial killers killing someone bc they were compelled to for unknown reasons that is beyond their control is different from killing someone bc of all sorts of abuse throughout your life
It doesn’t matter what other victims do though. It matters what these unique individuals did in response to their abuse and why. This offers an explanation rather than an excuse for their actions but also mitigating factors relevant to sentencing. Level of punishment is informed by level of culpability, mitigating circumstances, minimum punishment for justice to the victims and perps ongoing risk to the public. Life without parole is rarely justified in my opinion for a victim who kills their abuser even when not strictly carried out in self defence from imminent risk but rather as their perceived only way to release themselves form ongoing danger
the jurors in second trial said they'd never have given them life without parole if they had heard from the witnesses regarding the abuse...
That's what is so corrupt
The judge sentences the accused, not the jury lol
@@TicklePickleLoverok, the jury would never have *agreed* to life without parole. Being pedantic isn't the same thing as being smart.
@@TicklePickleLover Depends on the state. In the Carly Gregg case (MS), the jury chose to also decide the sentence. They chose life without parole.
There was no abuse glad they got no parole
It's not right that the SA wasn't allowed in the 2nd trial.
Their testimony was heartbreaking. The way people treated boys that were abused back then is wrong.
They need to be set free!
I get what you’re saying but those accusations still have to be proven as factual evidence.
@@MisterCrockett
This is what people are missing due to emotions. As much you want to believe them it has to be proven.
Also the letter was allegedly written 8 months before the murder and both the recipient, Andy & Erik testified. And yet neither of them mentioned the letter, which would’ve been key evidence? I don’t understand…
@@AllAboutPurple Okay listen 8 months do you think it would have been remembered ESPECIALLY with all the stress and the court trial? You have to think about that.
@@bellaisapepper
If I’m facing Life in Prison or Death penalty, I’m definitely remembering it, because if what was written in that letter is true, which was abuse as a teen/adult, then. That would have fresh painful memory. Again 8 months before the murders & it alleged continued assault. Lawyers would’ve prepped Andy & got info from him before his testimony.
Even in 30 years in prison, when the verdict judgment had been handed down, they he should’ve remembered, he had a lot of time on his hands to do so in prison.
@@AllAboutPurple Whether or not they remembered the letter, it EXISTS. You can't deny that, no matter how much you try.
They already served over 30 years in prison and they served 20 years in their sick dad’s prison before that. Let them out.
Exactly!
No. They were adults. They could have walked away.
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Why did they kill the mother? She did not abuse them. But with her in the picture, they will have no money to spend.
@@dailybibleverses4903their mother knew the abuse from their father was going on and did nothing. She also abused them in other ways.
I feel like too many reports gloss over the fact that Lyle testified that his mother was s’xually ab’sive towards him. Kitty wasn’t just complicit in Jose’s abuse of her sons, she was an active participant.
Why are you so sure in your beliefs? It’s their word and you are condemning a murdered woman with zero proof other than the words of murderers and proven liars.
@@veroniquea4957What about pics of the nakid with her handwriting?!
I agree with you, minnaw
@@janrah3881was it proven in court ?
@@janrah3881
NOT AN EXCUSE ..millions of kids are abused 😢 regretfully.. THo don't murder their folks .
Always makes me feel weird that Gypsy Blanchard is out here making insane money from TV shows and being naively loved by many, flaunting around online… but these brothers are rotting in prison??
I’m not saying the violence in either case is excusable - I just think the comparison is wild 😢😢
Sexism...
no it's because they are rich kids.
Well there's been a lot of controversy on whether the abuse the boys suffered really happened. Gypsy's abuse was easily proven with medical documents of the forced pretend illnesses that her mother told everyone she had. I believe with all the new evidence coming out the Mendez brothers will be released in the spring of next year
Justice has never been more blind.
GRB was literally tortured from infancy.
It's not alledged sa. There's evidence. It's a fact that they were sa' d.
And not just SA, but sadistic SA! Such a sad life so far. They deserve to experience some freedom.
What’s the evidence, beyond the brothers’ contention that it happened?
@@JC-jr9hw Medical records, letter sent to their cousin 8 months prior to the killings, and another victim spoke out.
@@JC-jr9hwthey also found pictures the Dad or mom had of the boys penis. No parent has a picture of just that. Naked in the bathtub, yes, but not of that. It's weird.
I was just a kid when this happened. But I’ll never forget Lyle on the stand crying and talking about his dads abuse
I watched the new documentary on Netflix and it seems the prosecutor had a personal vendetta against them she had no sympathy and was very angry! And it was unfair they couldn't use their SA defense!! Isn't everyone entitled to a defense?
Agree, they should have been allowed to present their defense and let the jury decide. Even Sarah Boone is being allowed to present her battered spouse defense despite all the major inconsistencies with her story.
All the attorneys and judge that knew of the evidence and still did nothing - kept us secret might be abusers too.
I noticed that too! After all these years, she was clearly still holding a petty grudge against Leslie Abramson & didn't care about having a fair trial at all.
Dad ruined their lives and judge ruined the rest of it. Absolutely disgusting
@@annettebenson5751 yep
These men have been victims for more than 50 years!!!! 35 in prison and 20 at the hands of their twisted parents!!! Set them free!!!
As a boy I wasn’t believed until my sister came forward years later. They should be free.
I am really sorry. You did not deserve that
I am so sorry about that.
@@jonathanarnold1844 I am am so sorry I am glad that you were validated I also am a survivor and having your innocence stolen changes who you could of been
Anyone still defending their sicko parents in 2024 should have their hard drives checked.
Amen 🙏🏻
Truly!!!
Totally deceitful pair of villainous "parents".
I listened to the original court case and believed the boys. There was one doctors evidence which I considered as collaborative with regards to abuse. He had examined the boy on one of the occasions he attended the emergency department at the hospital. The injuries he had sustained were consistent with abuse trauma.
@@MonaLisa-lu8ziyes and it’s sick this wasn’t allowed in the second trial
Anyone gullible enough to fall for the "Abuse" excuse needs help. They could have walked away they were plenty old enough. They went on 700,00.00 shopping spree. That is very telling. They planned the murders and hid the evidence. Abuse is alleged and there has been no evidence. They were greedy adults that couldn't wait for their parents' money
Please, do not tell us the all storie AGAIN, we just wanna know the news!
Yes! It's annoying!
Agreed! So many channels do this, and it's infuriating.
Context is needed for those who don’t know the case, they are doing their job
Some people don't know the story.
@@princessshenaniganspresent5538 Impossible, it must be the best-known story in the world, and if they didn't know it, they wouldn't come here to see what was NEW.
They were victims of their monster parents. They were abused and traumatized brutally in every way. Their parents and society failed them miserably. Release them! It’s about time.
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Following the same rationale, their parents might have been abused and traumatised as kids (hard to say as they have been killed), so as a result they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions, as in the end they might also be in their own ways, victims of society or their parents. Everyone failed everyone so we should condone violence as it's someone else fault, the notion of free will doesn't exist so we are clueless victims, with a few exception society defines as monsters (these guys don't have traumas they are just bad) and the rest should be released based on a popular vote on social media.
These two brothers need to be free that Netflix documentary almost had me in tears the fact that the sa wasn’t allowed in the 2nd trial was just absolutely beyond belief
In prison for 35 years is enough time for them to be in prison. They are in their 50's & they haven't done anything wrong in prison. I watched the trial & I have been following this story for 35 years!! Enough is enough to finally be with their families. Please let them go to live out the rest of their lives in freedom!!🥺🥺🥺
I agree with you. Their family supports them. Let them have their freedom now 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This
I absolutely agree !
Exactly🙏🏻😓
Were young and abused - by dad! Were they I the old man’s will. Any $ left?
Listen to their other family members who support them 100% before you judge.
In reality, theyre going "before a JUDGE"! So youre stating its okay to murder if anyone is S.A? Both are disgusting! These are also "claims" and blown up on social media!
@@65tjomo isn’t it amazing that none of the family attempted to help they boys at the time?
Money, it's all about that, think before you speak
@@leiakikiyeah because they wouldn't dare to go against Jose either, he was the boss and held all the power in the family, if they were afraid enough of him, why do ppl expect the boys to be able to stand up against him.
The one time Erik said no to him he had a knive at his throat. The man wasn't to be messed with.
I'm honestly not sure myself how Erik would have been able to get out, since his Dad could had all the resources to tracked them down if they run, especially when he was afraid they would tell on him.
@@65tjomo there’s literally 1000s of clear cut cases where family members stand by murderers . Why is this one any different ? It’s so obvious they done it for the money. And by the way, we’re judging people who shot their parents 15 times in a cold calculated murder. They even went back to reload and shoot again.
Been waiting years for this
"Menudo"? Whoa! That takes me back. Gen-Xer's have this trial permanently bookmarked in our collective memories.
Speak for yourself
*im not saying this in a rude or negative way, I just have no memory of it 😅
I remember the crew neck sweater look being the Halloween costume that year.
I've been rewatching the trial since finishing the series. How the juries remained hung after the first trial just baffles me. It should have ended in manslaughter charge at that point.
Kim Kardashian is better off preparing herself for involvement in the P Diddy's fiasco!
Words!
💯 facts!!!
You are thinking about Jennifer Lopez
@@savagepro9060 the kardashian/Jenner family is literally living off all of their fans backs and then she wants us to believe that these men who m’dered their parents are innocent because they lied about their dad m{}lesting them years earlier. They were lied about it then and they are still lying. Everything that comes out of their mouths are lies. I didn’t believe them then and I certainly don’t believe them now.
@@sharongannon-rp1cp BOTH of them!
Jose was a monster 👹
And so that justifies killing Kitty?
Don't forget: they reloaded.
@@GarthGoldberg there’s no justification for murder, but, a huge understanding of what caused it. I’m a mother, and if I ever sat by and allowed anyone to violate my children, I’d absolutely deserve the same retaliation!!! These boys were TORTURED!!!! Anyone who steals a child’s innocence is a disgusting monster!!! And those who tolerate it are even worse!!
He spawned two more monsters, apparently. The whole family is nuts.
@@PinkPrudie29 🙌🏽🫶🏽 Thank You!!!! I can’t stand the people that defend Kitty like she was a poor victim. She knew what was going on in the house, she participated, she said she didn’t wanted children, she was also present when he had other kids in the house. Enablers are equally guilty, and she was a mother, she had the main responsibility to protect her kids. Thanks for being a mother with accountability.
@@Doris-i3oI’m sorry that emotional maturity is not accessible to everybody, and it apparently skip you.
That DA belongs in prison
Ikr! It's shocking there aren't that many comments about her....she is clearly very bitter and unstable. Her stubbornness is over the top; lady, the words "I was wrong" are far more admirable than your childish behavior on film
They need a new trial. Thank you
@@jeaniemull5694 there won’t be a new trial. A lot of the key witnesses have passed away. It will be resentencing.
My only opinion on this is Kim Kardashian should be in no form a person to appeal to justice or morals in this society
Thank you, especially with her being wrapped up in this Diddy scandal.
This channel is a joke.
She is a legitimate advocate and she does make valid points. Ignore the Messenger pay attention to the message
@@deja565508 I know the message from her all too well, dear. Idolization, seduction, body dysmorphia, desire for attention, etc. Every message she sends out (in particular to impressionable young women) to the world is garbage. Surely she advocates for certain convicted criminals for early release. However, you won’t hear the other side from the jury, family testimonies, etc. of why said criminals were convicted in the first place. I don’t allow Netflix form my opinion on a subject and certainly won’t entertain the words of a career jezebel to sway me a certain way towards anything. If you feel a different way then by all means you do you.
Kim who?
I am not a fan of hers but I bet if you were unjustly incarcerated you would welcome her help with open arms.
They were terribly abused their entire childhood and then spent 35 years in an all-male prison, where I am sure they have experienced more of the same. Abuse changes who we are, and often, abused boys grow up to be abusers themselves, so before I join the "let them out" chorus, I need to know what kind of therapy they've had and what kind of men they have become. They are now in their 50s, and whether or not they're a threat to society has yet to be determined.
Sooooooooo
All the more reason we need prison reform. People should not come out a bigger threat to society than they went in. If "prison turns people into criminals "is an argument to keep people in, then by that logic we can't ever let anyone out, even people falsely imprisoned or who have served their full term.
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Pretty sure society is safe
@boring_elderly_millenial There are some people in prison today who have said that they actually learned how to be a criminal after they were falsely imprisoned the first time. It does happen that way, sometimes. I think it depends on the individual on whether they have the potential to reform or just become a better criminal. I think that the place to begin is with reform, but have them re-evaluated on an individual basis.
No one would murder their parents in this way without rage!
@@Clintsessentials and greed for their parents money
@@albertblandshaw7790rage…
@@G-host0069greed
@@albertblandshaw7790yall really think the world is sunshine and rainbows 😂
Well, the rage is merited
Not just that evidence, but all the key evidence from the 1st trial that was omitted in the 2nd because the judge claimed boys couldn't be SA. Over 50 witnesses (family, friends, etc) who testified about the SA was excluded. Plus, the jury was given unreasonable sentencing instructions, forcing them to choose between convicting of 1st degree or saying no crime was committed at all.
The DA was up for re-election & desperately needed a win after losing high-profile cases like Rodney King & OJ, & they made sure to get a conviction in the Menéndez case. At most, the bros should’ve received imperfect self-defense/manslaughter, which was an option in the 1st trial but not in 2nd.
This was clearly an unjust situation that deserves to be retried, at the very least. Otherwise, free these guys with time served!
Trouble is, if you are going to say 35 years served is enough, then don't you have to revise all the other "life without parole" sentences too? To be fair?
no. they wouldn't have to do that. this was a special high profile case that had with two completely different trials because the first had two hung jury deliberations and the second trial (the solution) omitted evidence from the first to land a conviction. Most trials aren't like that. If ANYTHING, I think they would have to look at trials that might have done similar tactics, and used the same judge.
You would think..but we're talking about America's judicial system here
Nope. Only high profile cases that get attention for shows, movies & books
you would only revise other "life without parole" sentences if there was reasonable evidence to justify reviewing it. That is evident with the case of the Menendez brothers. If other jailed persons with life without parole have enough evidence, then they too would have their case reviewed.
No, it’s a case by case basis. In this case evidence that rightfully should have been considered to determine guilt was withheld only to be considered at sentence. But once you’ve determined the charge they’re convicted with aka first degree murder the only mitigation at sentence is death penalty versus life without parole. This is a miscarriage of justice. Cases without any new evidence or indication of potential miscarriage of justice would not be revisited
"We do not see anything wrong with the original trial" is just vile considering it was mentioned that men can't be r* and they weren't allowed to speak about it.
No one should kill anyone. However, abuse is a serious crime and you don’t know what you’re capable of when all that pain and rage emerges. 🙏
Yeah like shopping for exotic cars…
Exactly. Unless you live it, you really don’t know
It's not unreasonable to think someone being abused might fight for their lives from their perpetrator.
@@interesante80 Yup
Only have to look at the latest research on the psychological harms inflicted on child soldiers on their learning and wellbeing. For this reason, the US Army doesn't hire 14 year old's to operate a rifle. Yet, we have folks thinking 14 year old Carly Gregg was mature in her actions. Smh.
Those two men were tortured and made to do horrific things when they were just babies smfh and before someone tries to come up under my post and say they weren't u obviously didnt watch the first trial there are literally witnesses 😒🙄whoever says they dont deserve freedom is sick and just as corrupted as their parents 🤷🏽♀️
Gipsy Rose also premeditated a murder... Just saying...
@@jlopezb04 she still needs to be in prison just like her boyfriend
It was clear and proven what the mom did, yet not as clear and up for debate whether the menendez were actually abused
but the difference is gypsy didn't kill her mother she got someone else to do it THE BROTHERS actually BOTH killed their parents READING IS FUNDAMENTAL
And gypsy should be in jail too
The cases are complete different, u can’t compare them at all
Well, if Kim K is speaking out - then we should listen. After all, her father was part of O.J.'s defense team. What a joke.
Agree
She needs a distraction from being inked to the Diddler
And you heard, she’s an “A” list star, LOL!
Her father was a crook, I heard that he knew AJ did it.
think whatever of her but at least she's using her giant platform to spread awareness of the unending injustices occurring in our collective name.
Shooting the mother with the shotgun. She was still alive, crawling to escape. One of the killers went outside to the car to reload & came back inside to finish her off. Bad.
Um hum. S.a. created rage but is that a defense? If they were girls, would they have done That? Stats on violent crime say no. People saying they were sentenced more harshly than if they were girls need to consider that. Usually females don't commit the brutal kind of murders, which this was.
They had alternatives. They could have left home.
The “mother” also knew about her sons being abused and didn’t do anything to stop it - I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.
They should be free now. Those parents were the monsters.
@Walker-q4q why didn't they report the abuse to the police instead of killing them? 😒 Rather than perpretrate what could only be reported as overkill.
@conorsmith8551 Unless you were groomed since you were 6 years old I don't really think you would be able to understand how they were thinking
I remember the first trial they did mention a letter that Lyle had written
Are you speaking of Lyle sending a letter to a friend asking him to lie about testimony?
Are you speaking of Lyle sending a letter to a friend asking him to lie about testimony?
@@AllAboutPurple lmao!
@@leiakiki
Lol I’m serious he got caught trying to ask a friend via letter to lie about some details, the friend later admitted to it 😬
@@AllAboutPurple That is wild!! What was he thinking?! I have read a little about the ‘new evidence’ letter that was found in the cousin’s possession after he passed away. And it’s hard to think why the cousin, Andy, who did testify at both trials, didn’t mention the letter in his testimony, especially at the first trial? And the other theory that the letter was sent to back up the impending murder. It’s just so hard to know with this guys! If only walls could talk.
I would love to see them out. And yes I am old enough also to know this case. If there is no evidence to prove they were sexually interfered with, then there is also none to prove it didn’t happen. Both Lyle and Eric to me my whole adult life seem to be telling the truth.
They're making the claim, they have to prove their innocence. In the meantime, there's none but dead folks
Recap ends at 5:35
😂😂😂thanks
You the MVP
Thank you 🙏
thank you 🤦🏾♂️
That's very possible y'all got the judge is very corrupt and has some weird involvements with the parents
@@joannajamerson35 it was a murder cause, not a SA case. The claims at that time could not be substantiated. Please research how evidence works.
I grew up in Orange County, CA just south of Los Angeles in the 80s. I remember this case vividly. I distinctly remember comments like, "boys can't be r*@#$ because they have to be aroused for anything to happen." We have come a LONG way since then. I'm no fan of Kardashian but she got this one right. If it was the Mendendez sisters, they would have been left off or not charged at all. And there would have been resources to help them before it got to that point.
Back then, I heard it's against the law to make a person do something he doesn't want to do, even if he is a male, but crimes like that go unpunished pretty often if the victim is male.
I agree
They are guilty, and why do you think nothing came to light before, guilty, guilty
This happens far to often where the victims end up in jail. Why!?! Because no one ever believes them. It’s ridiculous!!
@@whocares1739 they still killed their parents.. they are murderers
Even if someone believes them , you can’t set the standard that you will get leniency in murder charges if you were abused
I hope the Monsters series Retells the Gypsy story in a true light over her being a justified victim. She is a Monster
Kardashian??? Who allegedly rolled with Diddy? LOL
Whose dad got a murderer off.
When Erik and Lyle said they felt sorry for their mother and her murder was more like euthanasia. That is a lie. I think they hated their mother for not saving and protecting them. They were further victimized by Oziel who is completely unethical and didn't care about the consequences to the brothers.
Psychologist breached the confidentiality
When you admit to a psychologist or psychiatrist that you have committed a serious crime they have an obligation to inform the authorities.
With all due respect that’s incorrect. They only have to report if you threaten a future crime, or you threaten to harm yourself. Confessing to a crime in the past is very much protected under patient/doctor confidentiality. In this case, because the brother threatened the Dr, that is the reason why the conversations were not protected. Threatening your Dr immediately voids your patient/Dr confidentiality. @@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door
@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door
Absolutely 💯%!
@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door No, that's not true at all. In most states they have to keep this information private unless given permission to release it or if they say they are going to commit a crime in the future. Some jurisdictions require mental health professionals to tell authorities if their patient admitted to a crime, but there's special stipulations. Generally speaking they are not supposed to reveal past information if there is no threat to people being hurt in the future. In this case it's a toss up. I would say I understand why they spoke up, but I will also add they should have come to the conclusion they were not a danger to others and that they killed their parents because of the abuse. It's not like they were violent criminals.
@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door He was also scared do his life. They should never get out I was they at the start. They were adults. And it was premeditated and a horrific double murder.
The judge and the DA purposely were biased and wouldn’t let them discuss the evidence in the second trial. They wanted a conviction no matter how they had to get it. Let these men out and start their lives! They have served enough time!!!
I have followed this case since it began all the way back in 1989 and I was one of those people who was saying lock them up for life! While I totally believe there was another choice that the Menendez brothers could’ve made at the time after 35 years and with everything that has come out, it’s time to let them out of prison. Clearly they do not pose a threat to society and I now believe they have more than served enough time!
If not an eye for an eye, then why didn't you say this after they spent one week in the pokey? Obviously not a thuh - redt to society, and they "learned their lesson" after the first week, right? And gunplay is just "boys being boys", right? And the icing on the cake is that the Internet proclaims it was only m-slot-her to pull the trigger 15 times, uh huh! Ah, California attitudes so elevate the species!
Charles Manson never killed anyone, he died in prison. These two sociopaths shot their parents 18 times with a 12 gauge pump, going back outside to reload. They spent 700,000 dollars of their dads money after they blew his head off.
How do you know they won’t be a threat to society?
They’ve been model prisoners and have helped other inmates despite having a life sentence with no reason to help others.
If they are so innocent why did they try to escape from prison.......... I know.....I worked there when this happened. They found home made escape devices that they made.
DA needs to stop . Just let them free. They spent enough time in prison .
Honest questions from a non-lawyer. What difference would the letter make? Would they have been found guilty of a lesser crime? Would it also impact the sentence for the killing of the mother if there is no mention in the letter about her?
Yes, very possibly they could have been convicted of a lesser crime. That is exactly the issue that caused the mistrial during their first trial. The jurors could not agree on the level of homicide-1st degree or manslaughter.
@@IvanRivera-h8n it makes a huge difference...It would make a big difference for me on the jury....would it make a difference for you if they were Menendez sisters and not brothers...and sexually abuse by their father...the mother knowing and not doing anything....
@@misamasa1 that sounds like you’re condoning a double homicide. You believe that the men were raised in a different family than I. I believe that the men lied about their upbringing to justify their actions. I believe they are still literally lying about everything to try to get out of jail. Years of letter writing about abuse that is all one sided. They are where they belong and where they should stay.
It would have proven the abuse.
It makes a huge difference because self defense or someone's motive for committing murder makes a big difference in how they're sentenced
I feel bad for them but they were old enough to just leave! They were free to come and go as they please so literally could have just left and moved out.Then went to the police and pressed charges against their parents. They didn't have to kill them.
Time served, now release them!
They were both grown men they could’ve lived on their own. They are spoiled brats, and they need to remain in prison for the rest of their lives.
@@coffeecup6751I wish you kids family or friend will never experience abused by their OWN MOTHER AND FATHER! YOU HAVE NO HEART!!
@@coffeecup6751 dude what are you talking about what kind of human you are
You probably a murderer get an investigator on this creep
@@CMonaLisa157 oh yes, I do have a heart trust and believe. They are grown men they could’ve left home. They could’ve called the authorities. No, they didn’t. They wanted the money, spoiled brats. So reap what you sow
They still shot their parents in their faces with shotguns. Shotguns. And went on shopping sprees.
Really?? I never knew that😂
I mean, who wouldn't... 🤷🏻
Mitigating circumstances.🙂
🎉🎉😂
They didn’t deny killing their parents. The court denied them of right to hear the abuse evidence.
Sorry but you lost me at Kim Kardashian being an "advocate" for justice. LOL
@@brasstacks7181 well she did pass the baby bar… lol 🤣 (inserting sarcasm in case that not clear)
She fights to try and get innocent people released from prison. You people will never be happy.
Agreed, she's vile....as is her whole family.
She has helped other inmates in the past. What would be different this time?
Sadly, the most important stuff she does is not what she promotes. Her priorities are completely out of whack. She has been a legitimate and powerful prison reform advocate for decades, but she pushes her crap stuff instead...
Wow it will be so historical to see them free !
They’re not seeing anything wrong with it?? The whole defense was blocked from giving their evidence by a shady judge GTFOH
Those boys only attacked those that were harming them. I do not believe they would've ever harmed anyone then, or now if they weren't trying to simply stop the abuse
After all that these men (boys at the time) experienced at the hands of their parents, I agree that they needed some help and rehabilitation. But, they did not need to be banished to prison for the rest of their lives. They were tortured and traumatized since early childhood. They lived in fear of their parents their entire lives.
@@interesante80 both of them were over the age of 18 they’re considered men
@@coffeecup6751their Father had immense power & control over the family, unless you’ve been sexually groomed, conditioned & abused by a parent from a very early age, their ages when the crime occurred is irrelevant.
Not one character witness for Jose Menendez - speaks volumes.
@@rlm-8333 I remember when it happened I was in my 20s on my own. It took care of myself.. They were grown men sorry individuals make their own wealth. Like I said before they need to remain in prison.
@@coffeecup6751people are acting like they were 12 year olds protecting themselves 🤦
@@ronrammer4666 Amen
Wait what? You said at the end of the video that they're in separate prisons... weren't they just reunited in the last few years/months? They're now in the same pod, in the same prison
That's what I heard.
@@SammyShrooms they’ve been at the same prison since 2018.
@@leiakiki yeah that’s what I thought! Funny they got that wrong at the end. That was the reason for the prison photo of Lyle with the massive smile on his face 😆 🥺
@@SammyShrooms I’m not sure Law & Crime actually knows anything about this case 😂
@@leiakiki LOO fair enough
The brothers' sentence at the trial not only shut them up but also all the other victims who were going through the same thing
The jurors never would have convicted if they knew what had happened like they did at the first trial. It was the same judge the second time and he said he learned what he did wrong, so said I won’t allow the abuse excuse. They were denied a defense and victimized over and over again. It was wrong from start to finish and you can’t get any more wrong than that.
They m8ght have. Half of the jurors from the first trial felt they deserved the first degree murder conviction, and they heard about it.
They did not get a fair trial!!!
They absolutey deserve to be re-sentenced. FREE THEM!
I watched the whole trial as it unfolded. I have been keeping up with them all these years. I always thought they were afraid to tell what was happening, especially while their parents were alive. Who would believe the boys over the parents, and if they did tell someone while they were alive, they were probably scared to death of what they would do to them afterwards. In their minds, they probably felt they only had one way out.
The web says both brothers have been reunited and in the same prison "Richard J. Donovan Correctional Facility" in CA since 2018 🤔.
And?
@@FancieBravo-k4n The lady reporting here says they're in seperate prisons.
They are in the same prison. I was just saying the same thing. They’re together now and have been for a while.
I thought family members aren’t allowed to be incarcerated in the same prison?
so they sentenced poor boys unfairly and now after half of the life want to reopen the case???? wtffff!!!! this world is sick
Guilty as charged and they are right where they should be
Wow it will be so historical to see them free ! In such sad era ! Set them free
There are so many victims in prison for life that will never get out because they're not the famous Menendez brothers. These two slaughtered both their parents. How many thousands upon thousands of other victims THAT WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING made different choices? Ran away? Went to the authorities? They didn't have to murder them.
It's bizaree how, from the very beginning, huge numbers of people, particularly women, wanted to give them a pass.
Even if they would’ve went to the authorities there dad had power so it wouldn’t matter if they did and the fact the mom knew and didn’t protect the boys like a mom should she just let it happened
SO WHAT... THESE MEN SHOULD HAVE MOVED OUT
I get your point, but you don't need to SHOUT.
lol u don't need to use caps these boys were abused
The brothers could have moved out. They werent in danger of their perverted Dad when they killed the parents. They stood for the money, cars and mansion.
Try spending your entire life being abused and your mind warped by your abuser, then see how you feel. It's not that easy.
Their father was so powerful and he had threatened them that he himself would end them if they ever bucked up to him. He had all of the money, he had all of the power and he had been mentally and physically abusing them their entire lives. Your comment is asinine.
The glove don,t fit...It just does,nt fit..??
First time KK ever seemed somewhat interesting… at least she’s doing something that actually matters
I've always wondered, if the brothers were in fear for their lives, why they didn't put as much distance between themselves and their parents as possible?
If they thought they were going to be written out of their parent's wills it would make sense that they needed to do something drastic before that could happen.
You should watch the new documentary. It explains this. They thought college was their out when they turned 18, but their dad would not let them go away to college and made them stay at home. That’s when they snapped.
They We’re not in fear. They were adults and could have left anytime. Money. They wanted. They are right we’re they should be. If not. Then they are saying it is okay to do a double premeditated murder.
@@whitneyhesmer6648 They could have left anytime, while they were out and about. They had their own vehicles, money and time to go out to restaurants etc. If they were being held by golden handcuffs, which doesn't count IMO.
Because they are liars. Were they abused? Probably. Did it get ugly? Yep. But then they decided to horrendously murder their parents. As an abuse survivor, I do NOT condone their actions, or their release.
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I believe the abuse claims. I don't think that they are a danger to the general public and they have served a significant sentence already. I think that they should be set free now.
I’m no expert but if this was about money you’d think it would be planned properly.
If it was premeditated, they would’ve had a rock solid alibi. If they did it for money, they wouldn’t have sat there waiting for the police to come. If they wanted an early inheritance they wouldn’t have left guns in their car. If they lied about the abuse, Erik wouldn’t have sat in the court room biting his finger to stop himself from crying 🤷♀️ Monsters try to force the tears out, not bite themselves to force them to stop.
They killed their mom too.
She knew about the abuse by the father, she also abused Eric. She was not innocent at all.
@@jeanniebrown446so you're saying she deserved to die bleeding heart people nowadays I swear
@@jeanniebrown446: says who? The rotten killers? How convenient for them, ugh.
I was a little girl when the Mendez brothers were trial for a second time for the tragic crime of them ending, their parents lives. I had a question on why they didn’t confess to the psychologist about the abuse that was going on with their parents, but they confess to the crime and so I decided to google the psychologist and peoples magazine has a very interesting article about the psychologist and the confession that they made to him in confidence. I think this case is a lot more complicated and that the more you peel back the layers the more you find interesting things about it.
If they were bragging about what they did, they wouldn't include what their parents did as bragging. The thing is, law is what is supposed to determine the outcome of their cases. Some places consider what they did as self-defense, but California law doesn't recognize ending child Moe Lesters lives as self-defense. It's going to be very difficult for the Menendez boys to walk out free men.
@@MrJuvefrank in the article that I read on peoples magazine they didn’t talk about what their parents did to them. They insinuated that the reason why they did it was their mother couldn’t live without her husband, so I was to put her out of her misery and that their father was an intolerable person to deal with and that they got this from a documentary
@@Latraviesa_xo I hope the people in their court case see your comment.
@@MrJuvefrank I’m pretty sure they’re going to you know review the case and see the evidence again I know that they said that the psychologist was a Sleeze ball, but he wasn’t the one that that went to the police. It was his ex that went to the police with these tapes and the reason why they made these tapes immiscible in court is because they threatened him, and the judge found that this no longer breaks client privilege confidentiality because they made threats to him
@@Latraviesa_xowho said that???
I believe the judge and the second trial has some involvement with the parents.
Why? Because their legal team couldn’t provide proof of the abuse?
@@leiakiki because the judge ruled they couldn't use the abuse as a defense
@@gabegood8989 yes, because the stories could not be substantiated, again there is no actual proof. And a dv defence only existed for women at that time in California, not for men.
You really believe that this letter sat around for all those years and was never brought forward by the people that supported the brothers from the beginning? I just dont buy it.
I don't think that even girl's would've been treated much better, because in the late 80's/early 90's SA was still treated like a "they asked for it" kind of thing... male or female. That started to shift with the release of films like Jody Foster in "Accused".
It's not even that society hadn't evolved in the understanding of SA, but it also didn't even understand things like narcissism & Narcissistic abuse.
I think more than the Mendendez brothers not being girls... the real issue was the parent's wealth. Had the Mendendez brothers come from a poor family with no inheritance to gain the outcome may have been different.
It's the wealth that's always used against them & their motives & caused a dismissal of their claims despite all the actual evidence of abuse.
Dad 6 gunshot plus back of the head. Mom 10times. Theiy are cold blooded killers
Its just their first time.
I think they’ve served enough time considering they were abused and afraid and the parents’ family acknowledged this.
I’m really praying the brothers finally get a just resentencing. They’ve spent 35 years oftheir life in prison, and a life before that being abused in every way by their parents. It’s time they get to live a life free and safe for the first time ever!
I was young when the first trial took place. I'm here because of crime weekly 😊
They unalived both their parents. They’re making vile accusations against two people who are dead.
Child molestation is one of the worst crimes there are. But they were both adults over 18. What they should’ve done is tell the authorities about what was happening.
But turning in their parents meant that they wouldn’t inherit any of their father’s fortune and this is why their crime is premeditated first degree murder and their original sentence should stand.
they weren't on the will so no that's not why they did it
It was a totally different time. We had NO mental health support, instead we were told to suck it up. NOBODY who was being molested would have ever spoken out, it would have been ignored and treated the victim with shame. If this happened today i would agree with you, but it's not comparable.
@@lizswenson2813agree. Also, let’s not forget what abuse does to a developing human brain. Some areas don’t fully develop because of the trauma. Factor that in with being teens & how the decision making part of the brain was effected.
@@lizswenson2813 exactly I know when she'll be told to suck it up and deal with it.
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They were on the 1981 on will, and started spending like crazy after finding the 1981 will & destroying any evidence or possibility of another will.
soooooooo the psychologist lost his license right?
He surrendered his license. It probably would have been stripped from him otherwise. He was ethically in trouble for dating clients. That is a big no-no.
I believe he was. No doubts why these brothers didnt trusr him about the abuse. They knew how quack he was. And he was the only one trusted by Jose.
FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS! Their parents were the monsters, those two men deserve a second chance at life to finally be free and happy after all they endured in their childhood. They served more than enough time. The second trial was rigged, unfair, and unjust. Set them free! 🙏
ok even if they were abused, which is only hearsay, it still doesn't negate the fact that they murdered their parents. Have you ever heard of the saying, two wrongs don't make a right? Idk if they were abused or not but I do find it suspicious that they killed the parents right after they were told they were being cut out of the will. These monsters are were they belong. But I keep forgetting that we live in a time where criminals are treated better than law-abiding citizens.
Being abused doesn't excuse premeditated murder.
Man I really hate to say this but you sound like you are an abuser. If you are not hopefully you get abused. Yeah I know that was kind of mean but then again you're saying that they shouldn't have done the only thing that they felt they could do in order for them to not be abused for the rest of their lives. Do the research on this case.
@@jeanniebrown446you’ve lost your mind. Wow 😳
they were grown adults and could have went to police instead they planned a brutal murder of their parents and tried to cover it up. Shame on you.
You really have missed the whole point…they were afraid of their dad and powerful man after telling him they were going to out his for his CRIMES . Do your research plz.
@@pc9020 done enough to know these guys deserve to stay in jail forever.
@@pc9020 I know this case quite well, I was an adult when this happened. It doesn't change the fact that premeditated murder, along with trying to find an alibi for the murders is not a reasonable option for what they claim their father did.
If they were 19 and 21, why didn't they just leave the parents' house!😒🧐👀
Then they'd have to, oh, I dunno, get jobs like most of us? ;)
@@A.M-b8t But he DID leave for college and they COULD have left without repercussions - the only 'repercussion' would have been they get cut off from Jose's bank accounts. That happens to thousands of kids every day. I have zero sympathy for either of them.
Why didn’t they tell their therapist that they were being abused? Plus they were adults when they blew their parents away - they could have pressed charges against their father or something. They just wanted the money.
yes, talking from a healthy point of view - when someone abuses you - they abuse your mind also. Not just your body.
as soon as they killed their parents, they bought exotic cars, bought resturants,bought expensive watches and even bought basketball tickets
Their father had the therapist sign a document stating that he would tell him everything they said in their sessions. It wasn't a safe space for them to speak about the abuse.
@@orangepop. was that proven because the therapist could have lost his license. Doesn’t make sense that he wouldn’t tell the cops about the confession but was ok disclosing patient info to the father.
@@andreamarin4296yes.
They spent $700,000 after they murdered their parents? Don’t believe a word either one of them had to say. They were both old enough to have left home but were too spoiled to go out and get jobs.
💯 right
The glove don,t fit? It just does,nt fit?😢
They came across like sociopaths. I agree that you can't believe them.
I don't think it's fair for the brothers to be sentenced to life without parole. They should've been sentenced with a possibility of parole or charged with manslaughter. Many of their family members believe them when they came out with the abuse they suffered at the hands of their parents and want them free. They've served their time so it's time for them to be released.
Why do you say that eyewitness testimony isn't evidence? Seems like a basic legal definition that undermines testimony from victims. If you want to refer to forensic evidence please say that instead. Not considering witness testimony to be evidence is factually wrong.
I’ve been watching your TH-cam videos for the past week, and they’re really great! You’re doing a fantastic job as a content creator. How long have you been on TH-cam, and what challenges have you faced with your channel?
I still think they are guilty and should never be released from prison.
These two guys should be released.They have served long enough jail time.The Dad was a monster,and Mom knew all about it.Period !!!
The views are crazy its only been 7 minutes
Nationally? You mean Internationally. Watching from the uk 🇬🇧
Me too!
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Herein lies the challenge: They premeditated and planned it, they were adults at the time of the crime (didn't live at home/had other options), they attempted to conceal their involvement and THEN they spent their parents $$$$$....... EVERY criminal has an "excuse" in their history- it does NOT change what they did and the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of people with a past don't execute their "supposed abuser".
Don’t care
@@tinameyer7080 however serial killers killing someone bc they were compelled to for unknown reasons that is beyond their control is different from killing someone bc of all sorts of abuse throughout your life
@@nameyourchannelman1395 completely depends on the laws of the court where the trial is taking place.
It doesn’t matter what other victims do though. It matters what these unique individuals did in response to their abuse and why. This offers an explanation rather than an excuse for their actions but also mitigating factors relevant to sentencing. Level of punishment is informed by level of culpability, mitigating circumstances, minimum punishment for justice to the victims and perps ongoing risk to the public. Life without parole is rarely justified in my opinion for a victim who kills their abuser even when not strictly carried out in self defence from imminent risk but rather as their perceived only way to release themselves form ongoing danger
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What would make it beyond their control? Serial killers are rarely psychotic or delusional