Toby Young | Woke Culture HAS Gone Too Far - 3/8 | Oxford Union
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Initially used as a term to empower awareness of systemic inequalities in society, wokeism is now a deeply divisive term. The media's perpetuation of woke culture has made this term a buzzword. For some, being woke is part of the antidote of acknowledging the instruments of oppression. For others, it is a dangerously absolutist ideology, a sort of reverse McCarthyism, corroding liberal society and encouraging self-imposed victimhood. Is the 'war on woke' a legitimate phenomenon, or a reactionary distraction from the real problems being 'woke' addresses?
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You don't have to be an Oxford graduate to know this madness has gone way way to far
Most of the Oxford undergraduates (and possibly graduates), are well on board with the woke BS
@@richardduplessis1090
Is this because they attend an élite university? Or because they possess above average intelligence? Or both?
Ignorance has few benefits except to the purveyors of the tabloid newspapers which exploit it.
Oxford is a fine university. Along with Cambridge, the LSE, Imperial and Durham it's one of the few, in England, worth attending. Oxford is almost certainly the best of them. I say 'almost' only because Cambridge (shudder)runs it close.
Don't let envy cloud your judgement, dear boy.
@@robertcottam8824 I was educated at UCL long before the emergence of 'wokism', when degrees were worth a lot more than they are today. Your one sentence second paragraph states: "Ignorance has few benefits except to the purveyors of the tabloid newspapers which exploit it", impliedly suggesting that the 'woke' agenda is some form of enlightenment. My original comment was based on the supposition that these students reflect the bias of the institution within which they're being educated (brainwashed).
@@richardduplessis1090
I agree with you that degrees have declined in value as the number of universities - many of them nothing of the kind - has increased. But, nevertheless, the élite institutions, such as UCL, remain so.
The principles which underlie so-called 'wokeism' and 'identity politics' precede both both you and me - unless you're very old. 'Phenomenology', for instance, entered the schools of both Philosophy and Mathematics in the late '60s /early '70s.
Unfortunately, the activities of a few hotheads who simply or deliberately misunderstand the noble aims of inclusion and social equality have brought discredit with them. But the concept of 'uniqueness'; a cohort of one, remains. And it's been there for a long time in the writings of Camus, Sartre, Hugo, Byron... No one describes them as 'deviant' anymore - although they were all thought so, once.
Similarly, the suffragettes were once thought as dangerous, deranged or both. Only the boneheaded would think that now. In time, radical ideas often become mainstream.
More broadly, I don't have any problem with folk 'identfying' in any way they see fit. It's not my business. Neither do I have a problem in accepting that the lives of those possessing more melanin in their skin matter just as much as mine. What, then, is actually wrong with the ideas of 'woke' folk - apart from the shenanigans of relatively few dingbats?
The second paragraph of my first response, although short is discrete.
Best wishes.
Most of them are part of the problem so let them argue with themselves.
Spot on. Insulting people does not persuade them that you are right.
You say this as he insults an entire movement. The usual response to this is "Oh you're jus too triggered to understand when people are telling you facts". But again, maybe Toby Young and you are getting triggered over them telling YOU facts that you happen to take as insults.
@@CourtneyHaynes The movement deserves insults.
It claims the moral high ground on kindness and fairness yet in action is divisive, deceitful, completely dishonest and hateful.
@@CourtneyHaynes this movement is nothing more than a collection of people who have too much time on their and want to feel special because they don't have much resistance in their life.
I'd argue it solidifies that person's stance rather that opening their mind to a differing opinion. That's something extremely difficult to do even if one is respectful, insulting someone out of hand for a differing opinion will only drive them into a radicalised perspective. That's my experience at least.
@@smellthecoffee5314 maybe you and others deserve insults and they are on the moral high ground
Im so very happy to have come across these clips. So good to see intelligent people pushing back on the destructive woke movement.
well.. not everyone who has been pushing back have been intelligent, but everyone who is intelligent have been pushing back..... the problem has been the only ones who are publicized as pushing back have been the unintelligent ones.
What did they destroy
Nice to see that intelligent people still exist
@@driskoolio The careers of many decent and hardworking people who simply have a seperate opinion from them for a start.
They are destroying any chance of cohesive society - identity politics is a dividing force in society not briging it together.
It is destroying peoples belief in their own country making them feel it has done nothing but terrible things and they should feel perpetually guilty about it.
Woke activism is by design destructive - the disrupting of binaries, hierarchies and power structures is the very foundation of its Theories. It offers nothing constructive to replace them.
Look it up for yourself.
@@smellthecoffee5314 tell me about ONE person who had their career destroyed
Well said Toby, common sense at its best. Great points, excellent perspective.
The only person I can think of, who could have made this point so successfully is, Douglas Murray.
Would've been unfair to put Douglas against these kids!
Another freak.
And Christopher Hitchens
Douglas Murray and Andrew Doyle would've annihilated these college kids.
Douglas Murray and the word successful should never be used in the same sentence. He only exists in this tiny bubble of faux intelligentsia. But the truth is, outside of said bubble, nobody knows who he is. And nobody cares who he is.
When I mention WOKE culture or trans rights to my friends who don’t spend as much time as I do on TH-cam, they laugh and say “what are you on about. It’s a “thing” only on social media. I remember Kier Starmer getting flustered having being asked “what is a woman”. He knows perfectly well what a woman is, he’s married to one but he couldn’t explain it in words for fear of “offending” the woke movement. How crazy is that?
The opinions of real people differ vastly than the internet would lead us to believe. But most people dont want to be involved in the drama and stay quiet so the internet mob seizes control and believes itself to be the common opinion. Then they trick or threaten people/organizations into believing the same. Truth is most people arent inclined to engage in the drama and nobody asks them en masse what they believe and want, so the minority take the reigns.
OK, please define what a woman is. Don't just say "a female person". That's a synonym, not a definition.
@@guywilletts2804 a woman is those people who get around with real vaginas.
@@guywilletts2804 A woman is an adult human being that was born with female genitalia, hermaphrodites excepted, as they are a special case.
@@thewerewolfofnorway437 so does that include Phillipa York (google her)?
That was an absolute tour de force, Toby. A brilliant and articulate exposition of the flawed approach embraced by the Woke cult. Thank you.
Listening to this man is like a breath of fresh air. I hope these people are taking all this in.
Jackie, it’s all a load of right wing American bollocks. The woke, cancel culture, freedom, trans, women’s lavatories stuff from the USA has been tried in the last 3 Australian elections, state and federal, and failed miserably. The conservatives were demolished. People care about health, education and housing.
Yawn 🥱
As long as woke means being a descent human being and having empathy...(WHICH IT DOES) and also not being part of Tory"isum"...or believing msm bull crap (WHICH IT DOES)...then I am extremely pleased to be "woke".
@@spotable2 If you are the opposite of a Daily Mail reader, then you are woke and a decent human being.
@@spotable2*decent
Political ideologies have no brakes. They always go too far.
its a function of a certain cadre type that follows thru history, a type ever watching for new ideologies providing the springboard for acquisition and wielding of power.
I’m keeping that! Superb!
@@daskritterhaus5491 that's very well put.
Yes, the UK Tories and their 40 years of neo-liberalism along with their current Brexit obsession are proof of that. UK economic growth over the last few years has been abysmal.
Actually you are wrong , they cannot go too far. Because it cannot go too far, they always have something to turn into manure and turn the world into even more sh*"t.
The Tavistock Clinic is now facing over 1000 law suits for the medical malpractice and injuries caused to children and the ignoring of psychological problems and the help that should have been given instead of mutilation !
And that class action WILL be won.
Class Action does not exist in UK law….
@@monk3yboy69 you do know the UK is a mix of countries don't you?
Everyone involved with Tavistock should be criminally prosecuted for their crimes.
Make no mistake, what they were doing' and what all these gender clinics are doing are Crimes Against Humanity. And should be treated as such.
@@thewerewolfofnorway437 Yes, and Wales and Scotland don’t deserve a say in any laws etc, because incredibly they are even more corrupt, useless, and vile than the vermin in Westminster. Trust me I know, I’m Welsh, and I’d Tsar the lot of them, especially Mrs Doubtfire.
Brilliant, articulate and inspirational! Thank you Toby Young!
I don’t believe woke means anything. It came from the American right and is used as a cultural cudgel to bash people on the enlightened side of politics. Next on the conveyer belt of indignation from the US is grooming. Prepare your battle lines. Listening to this wordy Tory babbling about the woke, the woke is sickening. The woke army does not exist except in the minds of conservatives, especially the privileged variety.
He had a great speech up until the last 20 or so seconds and then he basically caved by naming some groups and causes such as BLM and others that he said were good and everyone supported. Sorry, but I don't respect those that give us a firey speech and then at the last moment in the end, throw out a "disclaimer" essentially invalidating a large part of what they just said.
Woke culture is despicable and should be targeted and destroyed whenever possible. If we don't, they will continue to fester and remain around much as racism has.
Why don't you donate money?
I wish we had something like this here in the US. Good speeches and a free exchange of ideas.
That Tory used the word ‘woke’ 31 times in his diatribe. There is no such entity as ‘the woke’, it is a right wing American cultural creation similar to the lefts use of ‘RWNJ’.
Your implying we don't? Or just not something as this hosted by a reputable University?
WUT? You have billion of those.
LOLOL. we do on more campuses than you can count
In the U.S., speeches like this are constantly shouted down by “woke” protesters or the forums are cancelled altogether by the university leadership who kowtow to the angry mob.
"To smear, to ostracise, to publicly shame, to cancel".
Twitter is the same. Your are having a reasonable exchange of Tweets about women's rights and some Gender Identity activists crash in calling everyone a bigot and a transphobe , reporting you to get you suspended: the Twitter equivalent of banging pots and pans and blaring foghorns outside a lecture theatre or meeting place. The Grievance Industrial Comple is such a good term; the first time I heard it. Thank you Toby.
People like him and other right wing commentators do that all of the time. But as with most snowflakes culture warriors, they can give it but can’t take it. Love cancelling people, hate being cancelled.
@@lil-g4879 classic TRA lying and hyperbole. This is why you are losing
''To smear, to ostracise, to publicly shame, to cancel" yes that's exactly what the right wing media and politicians have been doing for YEARS and it's worse now than ever and it's the reason the country is on it's knees and people dying left right and centre for reasons they never would have died for under Labour.
@@AH-gk6qs you’ve just said a lot of words without actually saying anything. Losing what ye tit?
@@martinneill5396 I can see why it is difficult for you to be blinkered given you’re probably a Conservative, but I’m afraid you’re not telling the whole truth. One of the key strategists in the UK working on behalf of the Tories is a man called Ed Barker. Like other right-wing strategists, Barker is leading the Conservatives into a new culture war. One of the key ideas they are trying to push is that there is such a thing as ‘cancel culture’.
In 2018, the BBC’s Reality Check team sent Freedom of Information requests to every university in the country asking for lists of books that had been banned, speakers cancelled and courses changed as a result of offence caused.
Out of 120 universities that responded, no book had been removed from any library since 2010 - though Holocaust denier David Irving had the indignity of his being moved out of the ‘history’ section in two. Only four courses had been changed - in one case, to remove a joke photo of a scrotum. And there were only six occasions on which universities had cancelled speakers as a result of complaints.
There’s no such thing as cancel culture; it is a made up strawman by right wing strategists and politicians to use to curry favour with their voters because they know how the bigoted English don’t like equality. It’s better than dealing with actual policies that can affect people’s lives; why not just pretend you’re at war with woke…you’re part of the problem unfortunately, you’ve been sidetracked by it, instead of focusing on what policies from the political parties could actual help Britain. The Tories have none, so they make up this shite, and you all lap it up…
this and Konstantin's speeches are why no-platforming became so popular. Good to see debate taking place. Hope this spreads to other places.
rubbish , why is the commonwealth still in existence?
Uhhhhh did you not also watch James Lindsay’s speech???? It’s the best one of all. He destroys woke culture WHILST BEING ON THEIR SIDE OF THE DEBATE.
I am so delighted that this popped up in my feed... I have been trying to find the words to express what has happened in Australia and New Zealand this weekend...
"What has woke culture given us? Meghan Markle's podcast." 😂😂😂
Hypocrites
Jeremy Clarkson said nothing wrong.
The Duchess of Netflix 😅
As long as woke means being a desent human being and having empathy...(WHICH IT DOES) and also not being part of Tory"isum"...or beliving msm bull crap (WHICH IT DOES)...then I am extremely pleased to be "woke".
As a recovering woke individual, it is beyond a breath of fresh air to hear such debates now at the center of stage. I for one support the ideals of the “woke” movement, but have lost faith in the tactics and lack of a concise and clear platform that doesn’t involve canceling or berating people into submission. It is indeed a form of fascism, where the left circle back on themselves.
By identifying yourself as a 'recovering woke individual' you're not quite recovered yet but I certainly applaud your awareness.
@@Solo.Vitality not all “woke” is bad, there are many admirable goals of such ideology. Unfortunately progressive culture has been hijack by extremists which are never good. I was never an extremist as well not all conservative culture is positive, it has its fair share of extremists. To me woke culture is any one who try’s to tell others how to live on both sides of the spectrum.
@Dildo Insaney What a "woke" statement haha Woke is NOT an ideology of compassion, its an ideology of the opposite - HATE who oppose wokeness - fascism through force, manipulation and coercion
If a group of people are trying to view others with compassion then I would be better able to listen to them and be more likely to have empathy with them.
But students in the late '60's were known for disruptive anti-academic behaviour. Has this gene been passed on to their grandchildren?
@@myparceltape1169
Where do you get your understanding of 60's kids?
If you are talking about the riots and demonstrations that had nothing to do with education at all.
No it would not be passed down in the genes.
It would be the cultural changes happening and the schools.
I loved school and had no problems with it until the fourth grade. Loved math. But in fourth grade they introduced us to new math. I hated it after that.
I had a teacher conference for my son one year. She set in front of me a paper with a sentence on it that was so ridiculous and told me he could not form a sentence like this. I said what kind of a sentence is this? It doesn't make sense. We don't speak like this.
She looked at me with a strange look and said it was a sentence formed with key words emphasized for global communication.
Here is my understanding of it. Its for global trade with other countries and the keys words standing out like we do on computers for searches.
Then she explained to me that he was having problems with his math so they changed it to new math? Of course that perked me up and I asked. What is that? She said, old math.
I was ticked.
Good speech. I hope we are at a turning point now where the woke backlash and cancel culture will gradually be faded out. Only time will tell, but I hope that soon we are looking back on this terrible episode through the rear-view mirror.
A lot of damage has already been done, let's get back on track as a society.
Seems unlikely as its taught as fact throughout the schooling process in the UK
"Won't SOMEBODY please think of the CHILDREN!" Every generation has a coronary about people who appear to be shattering their little world of Old Normal. Live a little longer, and you will see it. We had the anti slavery crowd whom everyone labelled as insane, then we had the suffragettes, then the swingers, then the ducktails, the hippies.....We just give the same thing new names. And always people talk of the horrors of change and "those weird people destroying our traditions and beliefs." Young pups. You all make me laugh heartily.
@@wordscapes5690 The suffragettes weren't demanding that people who didn't agree with them be censored or fired from their jobs, neither did Ghandi or Martin Luther King.
Incredibly disingenuous to make such comparisons.
They also didn't ask for doctors to throw all biology and scientific methodologies out the window to allow children to have irreversible treatments done to them (like hormone therapy or castration) so they can 'transition' to another gender 'because they can feel better' - without questioning the consequences for their futures!
It could have been good, but his ending killed it. He's fine with endorsing all of their degeneracy as long as they just stop being mean about it.
Mr. Young was brilliant. Strong arguments, polite, courteous, professional and blunt with his questioners. A damn perfect job.
You won't be saying that we he drives his bus full of eugenicists over your head... Pfft sycophant
@@partidaportet27 I will look into your claim. My guess is, in much the same way that folks intentionally misquote Jordan Peterson about so-called enforced monogamy, you are probably intentionally misquoting something this fellow said. With enforced monogamy, we know Peterson meant peer pressure, essentially. Let's say friends and family members saying to a married son, daughter or friend "Hey, if you have sex outside of your marriage it will hurt your partner's feelings and probably ruin your marriage. It will also hurt your children." - - That was what Peterson meant, I don't know what this man said, or what he meant, but I would bet dollars to donuts it's that same kind of intentional misquote, based on disingenuous virtue signaling.
As a conservative living in America I can assure you we feel the exact same way about wokeness as this gentleman does. Wokeness conducts itself with the same racial bigotry that they claim to oppose in all it's forms. Next time an American academic preaches to you about inclusivity ask them how many conservatives are in their sociology department. Hypocrisy abounds.
Well Said
Conservatives value money over peoples issues. They’re not beating down the doors of sociology departments for that equal representation. The conservative brain is absolutely different than the dare I say Social brain? Just go look at brain scans. The problems we have is there is no more compromise just my way or the highway by both sides.
Hypocrisy is the enclave of the Left.
I’m fairly young (17) and am attending a summer academy at a major university, one that’s become somewhat synonymous with “wokeness”.
I can say from personal experience that what your talking about doesn’t really exist. Many of the kids here have conservative views and contrary to popular media they aren’t crushed, they are debated by other students on the merits of their opinion.
The only lines we don’t cross are abject Sexism, Racism, and clear discrimination.
@@motivationallizard6644if you took the time to read his statement carefully, he's taking about academics... and he's right. Conservative academics have been censored and ostracised. Taking as an academic. But please do keep living in a bubble.
Wow, he really shut down those angry leftist students with his kind, compassionate words. He gave them a taste of their own "Be kind" medicine in action.
Hmmm.
Did he?
Really?
I witnessed only a series of non sequiturs, glibly delivered.
He made no argument.
@@robertcottam8824 if you missed the argument I’d go back and rewatch it, as he had some spot in points, you actually proved those points with your very comment.
@@robertcottam8824 The misfits of our country need to wake up and understand their Reign of Terror is over! They are being put back in their closets!
@@joshuaam7701
An interesting reply.
No. I missed nothing except his cogency.
I did note false-equivalence, superficial plausibility, weightlessness of intellect, absence of scholarship...
In a word, 'specious'; essentially, 'wortless:; 'populist'.
Best wishes.
@@robertcottam8824 the first student said Ireland is being colonized by British, and he said a lot of people in ireland want it to be part of British so it can't be case of colonialism
2nd one said there were issues with the government that prevented it from providing trans care, but he said the government was willing to give it, but was afraid of doing it wrong or not good enough, which is enough to trigger the woke mob
thats what i gleaned, are you saying all of this is "series of non sequiturs, glibly delivered." words?
The statement that we do not disagree with what woke culture are trying to achieve but its methodology is a major reason that many rebel against this theology.
The other point he brings out well is how those who stand for social justice seem stuck on the idea that their own said country is uniquely "racist" without asking about the wider world and ignoring the history victories we have had and why and how they came about.
The right have never agreed with any methodology, that's why we have a climate crisis. Exxon's own scientists knew the damage carbon emissions would cause decades ago, it was swept under the carpet. And no, most of us don't think their own country is uniquely racist. Your points are rubbish.
Lay off the crack.. honestly, it's dementing your head.
The Woke narrative dies when you go back further than the 1700s and look further than "the West." The depravity and nobility of humanity has been on display throughout human history, throughout all, and I mean ALL cultures and ethnicities.
They are also categorically mis informed ignorant political tools without a single sign of a legitimate education beyond the prescriptions of the propaganda of their cult. It is manifest in literally all they say think and do. And there is no refuting it. The causes they fight for are cartoon third rate stereotypical phantoms of their programmed imaginations. They aren’t actually based in fact, and exist nearly entirely in the realm of the old grievances of marxist ideology, as critical theory as put forth in its inception with the frankfurt institute is entirely based on it, as a rehashing of class warfare doctrines. And this is why the class oppressor/oppressed narrative is ubiquitous throughout. In fact so is feminism. Its why they produced intersectionality openly as a new take on marxism for their cause. This is standard material in sociology courses. As they apply class warfare doctrines now featuring race and gender, they attempt to entirely destroy the designated oppressor class, which by no coincidence is a race, an ethnicity, a gender, a people, and their cultures, history, religion. And do so with no other villian in mind, despite that all cultures on this planet, including themselves, have proven distinctly worse in literally all categories historically and presently. The space they manipulate the public in is within their politeness and mental conditioning to insist otherwise despite obvious reality to avoid offense. This too, is religion. Political correctness was invented by mao zedong for this exact purpose. Period
@@azurebadger mic drop
Amazing. I really recommend this book "The Rise of Victimhood Culture: Microaggressions, Safe Spaces, and the New Culture Wars" by Bradley Campbell. It totally explains what the hell is going on at campuses.
the cancel culture wokes, trail it through Canada, onto now....its just the ease at which wokes slip into their dictator ship roles...
As an American this was Amazing to hear! ⭐️🌎
Toby Young. Thank you.
I absolutely agree.
As an example of specious, otiose vacuity, it's priceless.
I shall use it in seminars as discrete as structuralism and linguistics.
He's a dreadful orator except in the most base, populist sense. He's way too old for fourth form debating society.
Best wishes
This pea brain is so cultured and eloquent that he doesn’t even know the difference between the the Sistine Chapel and what he calls at 1.33 “the Cistern Chapel “. God save us from idiots like him 🙏
The woke way of doing things makes it impossible to take them seriously. We love little children, but we don't let them run the world.
There's Trudeau running Canada.
The cult of the child is strong on the left. They despise themselves, the 'adults' who cause or are complicit in all the evils of the world and believe children and youth have natural insight into 'truth'. They deify their own 'inner child' and elevate actual children like Greta Thunberg. It's at once a sincere belief among the faithful and a cynicism among the manipulators who know a good emotional appeal when they see one.
And what exactly do you mean by 'their way of doing things'? Is it possible that you could provide an example?
@@ddhqj2023 Probably the inability to debate in a respectful manner. And in some cases the refusal to stop bullying people. Because esentially that is what cancel culture is. Bullying and destructive behaviour inflicted on another human. Which is reprehensible and disgusting.
@@ddhqj2023 sure, I could give you some examples. Most things are feelings oriented rather than facts, and if the feelings get hurt... Hell hath no fury. If someone disagrees they are immediately labeled phobic. There is no debate or even an option to have an opposing point of view. You are way beyond wrong and the worst person to have ever lived. If you are someone of any notoriety you must be cancelled. It goes on into politics and corporate actions like ESG. They can't withstand anything less than complete compliance. We see cases where it isn't enough to be accepting, you must evangelize for them. It can be an impressive amount of power brought to bear on anyone who hasn't developed the self-confidence or morality to stick to their beliefs. That is how bullies operate and their poor behavior is almost always a result of insecurity. For those who are not swayed by the professionally offended it's a little embarrassing. You feel bad for them because they are so childish, laying there on the floor throwing a fit. They just found out Santa isn't real and rather than deal with the truth they're furious that you told them, as if their anger will make him real.
It gives hope to see there are still reasonable people out there.
I had no idea that Phil Mitchell could be so articulate!
I have never seen a more thought and language policing, authoritarian group of people than the trans activists.
They have gone far beyond the "live and let live" line and thus, lost my sympathy and support. Making enemies from people that could be your allies seems like a very bad strategy. They deserve every bit of the backlash they get.
Well said. They have made life very difficult for their truly gender dysphoric brothers and sisters.
I fully agree. For me most woke people do not really care about the principles they claim to advocate. It is all really about their ego and self-promotion on the media and in society. Average people that do in fact support those causes without a self-promotion agenda just get pushed out of the debate for not using the 'right' words in spite of sincere feelings of support. The wokes' folly thus alienates the very people they would have all the interest in keeping on their side. Utter malevolence and counterproductive approach.
I agree. And I'm guessing it could be something to do with the fact that a good portion of people in this movement are twisted men who want to legally get into women's changing rooms and toilets for purely deviant sexual gratification reasons - and that is a very strong driving force.
@@tancho103 And what about twisted women who want to get into mens changing rooms?
@@silaswild6233 A mythical creature most men wish existed
This guy was very good with the debate topic. His description of woke culture makes me think we need a new debate on what the solution will be to steer humanity back on track to solve the mass mental illness now afflicting most of the western world.
Absolutely NOT. Didn't you notice the cards that he was reading off...With a few hours of practice a night, for a week. Any idiot could acomplish this. In fat, any idiot would be able to do it without the cards...
The answer is to go back to our roots - true biblical Christianity. However, everyone knows that will never happen - its morals and teachings "are too problematic" for modern ideas of "morality" and acceptable lifestyles, and it makes people far too uncomfortable about confronting their sins.
For me it's clear that the promoted use of social media in our society (Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Tiktok) as a 'normal' thing to do every day has messed up a lot of people's mental wellness, without people even realising. Social media can foment addiction (the constant scrolling and stimulation), it promotes polarisation of views, also promotes constant comparison with others and oversharing / lack of boundaries. I have to say my life really changed when I stopped listening to 'the crowd' and stopped using Facebook, Instagram as I felt it was making me compare myself and waste my time focusing on superficial things instead of exploring and developing my own potential which is much more exciting and wholesome!
It’s all come from the USA, started by Eastern Europeans fleeing antisemitism. The slavery obviously contributed to racial tensions, most countries with multiculturalism cannot be democracies, it’s unusual. The west only managed it due to monoculturalism. Spreading anti-white, anti-european Christian hatred will lead to WW3. This is why the neocons in the US are paranoid. The empire is on its knees.
@@ic7481 Christianity is the reason for your evil, especially in America. White men killed a Black man a few years ago and went to church. See that's what is okay with all of you and then the police patted him on the back and cleaned Ahmaud Aberys blood from him. They would have got away with it, if one of the white men didn't videotape the murder. Murders y'all have been getting away with for years and people remained sleep. There were three murders in LA this week by cops, for no reason other than they were Black men and one was the relative of a BLM creator.
Very very refreshing and realistic ❤
I have a growing respect and admiration for this man.
The Victorian era and the period of the British empire produced more technological scientific and social changes than any other in history. The flushing toilet, the Underground, corporate philanthropy, the Vote, the abolition of slavery, medicine, social mobility, museums, literature, public parks, and so much more. It wasn’t perfect for sure but it laid so many foundations for the things we take for granted today. The fact that so many young people are so utterly ignorant but also actively hostile towards Britain and western civilisation generally is a disgrace.
The vote? Are you suggesting that the British empire is responsible for voting? Or is it something more specific?
The British Empire abolished slavery? It created it first!
@@georgejessup7938 Not just the vote according to them but museums, lierature and MEDICINE as well?! The fact they then go on to complain that the youth of today are ignorant of history is absolutely astounding! I can't tell if their post is serious or sarcasm.
@@x2Madda your reading comprehension not so good. :( Very sad state of affairs. This person was clearly not saying ALL literature and medicine. My goodness!
Yay for pirate rock. Steal enough from around the world and you too can have nice things.
When I first heard the term woke around 2 years ago ( I may have been slow to catch on )
Initially I had to ask quite a few friends and colleagues what it meant & at first I had to question am I woke ?
But now strangely I feel that I have been pushed further and further to the right . This has clarified that all along I was ( 2 years ago ) fairly balanced in my social and political outlook but mainly in defence of all I hold dear I am on the right and as a consequence far less tolerant
Let us hope that this woke nonsense dissipates so we can all get a firm grounding in common sense and reason once again ❤
That's exactly how I feel. I've always tried to be reasonable and fair but what is going on is driving me hard to the right.
Im considered a centrist myself years ago but now the woke make me a right leaner unconditionally
Not just you. The Left used to be about the working classes and fair wealth distribution. Now it's just a nut house. Where to go?
You know whats crazy, "woke" has been around for over 2 decades. It was used to describe a person who had knowledge of corrupt govt and its history. Now govt has stolen it and uses it as a weapon against conservatives.
There is no longer any CENTER. You have two choices now. Right wing conservatives AKA Nazis according to the Left., or bat shit crazy radical woke Leftist. There is NO MIDDLE ground. I have proven this to scores of people who insist they are still Centrists.
That USED to be a stance. Not anymore. You got the Sane on the Right and the Sociopathic Insane on the Left.
🙌BLESSED BE THE NAME OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST🙌GLORY BE TO GOD🙌ALLELUIA🙌A-MEN'🌿
How rude the woman was for interrupting his speech. How refreshing to hear logic. Thankyou sir.
Absolutely spot on.
Well said. Makes me sad how today patriotism in the UK is considered a negative thing by so many people. I'm proud of my country and what's its achieved! 🇬🇧
Many still are mate. Just not on socials
Same here in the US.
As a history buff, the England in 1940-1945 wouldn't recognize this England today.
Most are.
So am I. But that makes me passionate about making it better. You're not proud of the Met police officer convicted of all those terrible things, are you? We're not proud of the fact that all the millionaires and billionaires have got much richer and yet there are hungry children, are we? Or that Lady from the House of Lords who pushed for the company that supplied faulty protective gowns and got paid £10 million? Those things shame my beautiful country. They have to be stamped on.
Excellent speech by Toby Young, a man I have a lot of respect for as he has put forward a reasoned and outspoken point of view, as he always does. I would, incidentally, highly recommend Toby's book, published some time ago now, entitled How to Lose Friends and Alienate People, about his time on Vanity Fair magazine.
So coooooool answering the Northern Ireland question...
Woke is just another "smelly orthodoxy."
The only ppl banging on about it are rightwing freaks.
Well said. We need things like this that can be shared to people who still have any moral integrity, but aren’t sure how to properly exercise that ability
You mean people who have not been perverted.
Excellent research. Sydney Australia
I am a liberal amd mostly agree with historic disadvantage, but man has the new Woke society got me undone
A few months ago, I spoke to a privately educated university student protesting about how women are oppressed in British society whilst I was walking through Manchester City Centre. She was young, probably about 20 years old, she was also extremely well spoken and what I would call a posh hipster. Dont get me wrong, I have adopted some hipster fashion myself, but I digress. Anyway, she started arguing with me about how herself as a women had a harder time and how she was oppressed by men in British society. But 2 things stuck out like a sore thumb for me with her as an individual, she went on to tell me she was from a private school in the shires down south and was studying History of Art at uni, she was also a very attractive women who probably wouldnt have dated me in a million years, despite the fact I am not a bad looking guy, I just happen to have grown up on an inner city council estate in Manchester, not far from Manchester University, and here was a woman at only 20 years old, that already had more status, cultural capital, economic capital and the ability to date pretty much any man in the City, and who most definitely had more access to what the city had to offer than a man, white, black or asian, that grew up in the council estates of Moss Side, Hulme, Ardwick and Gorton, which are within 2 miles of the University of Manchester, where many of these posh upper middle class women from private schools down south make their own. Are they sipping cappuccinos and eating avocado on toast with normal working class Mancunians, I dont think so! She was blind to the privilege she had over the vast majority of men, and other women for that matter.
I hope you told her all of what you've written down here. More to the point, did you point out to her how lives for women have changed over the past 100 years? 50 or 60 years ago women had virtually no independence, including financially. Now they've got so much they don't know they're born.
It's Greedyness that makes us al forget how privileged we are no matter what level of society we are in. There is always someone less fortunate than yourself! I am also guilty at times and to know your history and roots your I,me and myself gets to equal levels without victimhood & irritating everyone around u
Brilliant 👏🏽
My father used to say: In whetever you do, there is a point where things only get worse.
Amen Toby, AMEN!!
"Oxymoron, a contradiction in terms like... Military Intelligence."
Ah, a classic.
@@Robert-Downey-Syndrome like Police intelligence 🙂
'Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense.' - D. Mustaine
I feel this is a little unfair.. just because war is generally insane.. once you're fighting it you can do so intelligently.
I love War, it culls and exposes the weak.
@@conradcodfish8638 you'd be dead, then...
Agree w Toby Young's speech 💯 per cent. Very well said.
Especially his praise of "the cistern chapel" 1:24
It almost doesnt seem fair when I listen to this debates, why do the Woke supporting side never send their best? Almost every debate Ive watched about the clash of these ideas the Woke side are quite cringe, lie, insult or debate a different topic entirely.
Recently the Matt Taibi and Gladwell debate was painful to watch...and I respect them.
@@morbidbushidoI think they do. The issue is their proposition is so inherently flawed.
@@ATH-camCommenterWhoHasABrain ah, the Cisterf chapel. Our greatest bastion.
@@JSManc1 can you give examples of where their beliefs are flawed?
Excellent Speech. True to his Word.
I have developed a whole new level of respect for the Brits and their parliaments. I love that statement freedom is not freedom from consequence, that should be added to our constitution,
Oxford showing it's class.
Where?
@@MrBiddy1975 Did you not watch the video?
4:48 this is the problem. It's not all about you. The fact that she's sitting there, and interrupts and is allowed to go on says "privilege" more than anything else could really
It is normal in debating societies for people in the audience to raise their hand (or stand up) to make remark or ask a question during a speech. This is a common privilege for audience members in debating societies all around the world. Ultimately, it is up to the speaker if they wish to acknowledge the audience member. He clearly acknowledged her presence and allowed her to speak.
yeh there is a huge amount of young adults with narcissistic personality disorder or equivlent self obsessive need to address a CRT level of questioning like trying to make you think about something then feel guilty for not understanding and it really derails debates if you allow people like this to hog all the o2 in the room.
I disagree. it was a quite civil exchange.
@@philosonic Fair. I didn't know the decorum. While it was not to my own taste, if this is the norm, I stand corrected.
@@philosonic The problem is, left wing pricks NEVER exhibit the same courtesy or human decency. The left, and their fanatical followers, would much rather have anyone that questions them to be dismantled from the platform entirely. Thankfully, though, the internet is DESTROYING the left! LOL!!!!!
Great speech Toby!
Well done Toby.
The time has come where those who make accusations such as : *_"You are a Racist"_* should be made to Prove that accusation. If they cannot Prove their accusation they should face Justice. For example, if a person is found to be Guilty of being a 'Racist receives 6 months imprisonment on the evidence of his 'Accuser', then their accuser should get 6 months imprisonment if their accusation is proven unfounded. As things are at the moment people can make that Vile accusation at will and Ruin lives without a shred of proof. That *Has to Stop !*
It's easy to make up accusations when you blame individuals for social structures.
Thank god you have ablsolutely no power to affect anything meaningful because you are a fucking moron.
@@Ondemas Yes, too easy and it is about time people who make that particular accusation were Brought to book and be made to explain and defend their accusation.
We've become weak. When our grandfather had uttered this sentence, his opponent would have replied "your race in particular" and beat the shit out of him.
It is extremely easy to spot a Fascist. They're the one accusing people of being 'Fascist'. Likewise it's easy to spot a Racist they are the ones accusing people of being 'Racist'.
They do it to create a Smokescreen to hide what they are and how they feel. They know precisely what they are and their 'INNER GUILT' is also the reason why they become so hysterical so easily. Blaming other people is a *Misdirection tactic* that helps them live with themselves... Ask Any Police Officer and they will tell you that 'Criminals' do Exactly the same thing to hide their Guilt.
Thank you Mr. Young for your clarity, courage, and congruence. I was born in Iran, you raised the issue of the brave Iranian women who are selflessly fighting the hordes of ignorance and darkness.
I believe the Modern World is characterised by ' the hordes of ignorance and darkness'. Iranian women should be happy to have a Life of shac- and-vac. Women are con-artists, when they say, that there is a benefit-of-them in the employment world.
THAT WAS A VERY GOOD, FAIR & BALANCED SPEECH
That is the ideal way of communicating our issues! Great speech, agree or disagreeing, with his points, shouldn't make any difference!
Wow Toby Young you put the point across in such an intelligent, elegant way , that is exactly how the majority of the British public feel, we don't want to NOT have a discussion on the topics of race,gender, but will not tolerate the intolerance of the mob that refuses to hear both sides of the debate.
We as a country regardless of race, gender, beliefs would love nothing more than to resolve the injustices that our fellow citizens are going through or have been through, but NOT at the cost of further hate,discrimination, racism or ignorance, that will NEVER change anything.
Excellent.
What a brilliant speaker. I haven't hear anyone that can polically dissect truth like he can.
These are the words people need to hear today
2:54 - _In fact, let's quibble._
Proceeds to deliver a quiet quartering.
You do have to love the British tendency to understate.
'A quiet quartering', that's a great phrase.
Indeed!
The problem I have with “wokeness” is that more often than not it is not based on facts, is inaccurate and seems to be a bunch of angry activists who just follow whatever movement is the latest flavour but ignore even more pressing topics in society.
To me activists have a course a reason and a goal. Wokers don't have any of these that is why the stand and scream putting out tantrums coz they actually don't have an outcome in mind a result they have a vague idea of the me wants and a few years from now it is going to be the same baseless/ no root connection lost souls wanting to sue anybody & everything for not stopping them in their damaged idiotic me-me wants.
and are aggressive, hypocritical and double flip narratives....ive been attacked for even trying to defend their honor ( without knowing_ and I was slaughtered....they create a binary narrative that they flip, you cant argue...best thing to do is let the idiot speak...and walk away....unfortunately it is where the money is in the uk.......I cant even believe how some of them young and old, usually the ones that they think are the left wing intelligentsia, grabbed it with so much enthusiasm, evil...
Brilliant as usual from Toby
Fantastic speech Toby
How Beautiful is the sound of Truth
Thank you Toby Young.
You flower in the WOKE wilderness. God grant you see the wilderness flower.
GREAT LISTENING - MORE SANE THAN WHAT I AM SEEING TODAY - PLEASE POST MORE VIDEOS OF THE OXFORD UNION DEBATES ETC..
just awesome, i wish this will go viral and over TV so that everyone can hear the truth
"Cystern Chapel"...now there's a Freudian slip if ever I heard one 🤣
I literally clapped and cheered. Share, share, share!
You literally clapped and cheered. Fucking bizarre lol.
A sterling job Toby - you're a brave and honorable man.
Great speech! I love America.
This man nailed it....boy did he ever!!
Always love the wisdom of Toby Young x thank you, much love and God bless from the UK xx
Spot on
Just excellent!!
Where's Douglas Murray?
Bravo though to all 🙏🏼👏🏻
Love see him in a debate again here
Douglas Murray and Andrew Doyle would've been a massacre lmao!
Looking in a mirror preening himself somewhere in the States.
Murray is being a professional limey on Fox in the US.
@@sylaq1151 He's doing his best to pull a Christopher Hitchens. So far he's doing well on the basis of nothing more than his accent. He's not a heavyweight. Bit of a poser.
It is generally clever, from the standpoint of winning a debate, to claim agreement with the ends of the opposing side. In this instance, it is not accurate and potentially weakens the anti-woke position. Equality of outcome and the primacy of group identity over the sovereignty of the individual are the two sacred pillars of woke culture upon which the utopian vision of their ends are built. No free thinking true liberal should ever claim agreement with those ends. They are not laudable, they are in fact antithetical to everything that has made Western civilization possible and flourish.
I thought that also. They will never force me to agree with their insane world view.
agreed, once you agree with their ideology then it immediately suggest their actions are right, and then we run into a situation where everything that offends must be right thus must be removed.
Yes. It's a mistake to agree with the 'ends' and disagree with the means. The means themselves decimate the ends of a liberal society. Are they suddenly going to go back to supporting free speech when their putative goals are met?
I agree, don't accept their framing. That's how they achieve transitional demands, and what brought us to our current state, where so-called conservatives brag about how diverse they are and how men can be women.
I interpreted it as him just understanding the humanity of being/feeling oppressed as part of a minority, not that he agrees with the total twisted agenda it has become.. intentional or otherwise. Either way we all know it’s been overly represented now.
Always massive respect to JRM, the man never takes any expenses
Well said 👏
This should go viral
the revolution will not be televised
Real intelligence at work from Toby Young ! 👍
Were there two Toby Youngs speaking? I must have missed the intelligent one.
@@TerryRobertson Try listening with an open mind
Great speech Sir. 👏👏👏
Really interesting speech. Here in the U.S., where the woke "mob" seems particularly prevalent, it's worth mentioning that most people you meet on the street wouldn't be able to tell you what woke actually means, rather just express their distaste for it and their association of it with "the left" or "liberalism." The points in this speech were all really pretty good, but one of the biggest takeaways for me is the categorization and identification of woke itself, and explaining why it's so harmful despite the underlying intent. That's no small thing, because the scope of hate and blame-mongering within woke is fairly vast at this point.
Educators and students censoring themselves should be a warning bell, but I think most are ignoring it, which is possibly the absolute worst thing we could do. Ignoring the situation enables those who identify as woke to go further, to do more to harm, censor and cancel those who would dare speak against them. And as correctly mentioned in this speech, if one dares to attempt to engage with a woke individual in some sort of intelligent discourse about the topic, the effort will typically be met with vitriol and name calling, essentially a tantrum where screaming obscenities will surely make the logical person just walk away and thus allowing the woke individual to "win."
Which begs the question: If there's no real logical argument fueling woke, but rather some sort of quest for victim-hood, why are we allowing it to run rampant and cause so much harm?
You make interesting points. The way I see it, is that both sides appear polarised. You have quasi facism masquerading as extreme conservatism, and quasi fascism masquerading as what people call extreme woke culture. The common thing about both is their inability engage in dialogue and debate in good faith. You can see the use of force, shouting down other opinions, and engaging in "canceling", censoring the public debate, censoring books from the extreme sides to this debate. I believe that what's happening here what we saw in the early 20th century with the democratisation of some new media (then is was easier printing of newsletters/papers and radio, now it's social media over the internet) leading to the voices of the extremes being magnified way above the voices of the calm majority on both sides of the debate.
As Toby said rightly here, and I've never been a fan f his, is there are laudable aims in many of the movement that are attempting to redress imbalances in society, but the extremes are using these as battlegrounds, and not as places where we can work together to fix issues.
Academic censorship is rather a bad thing.
But are some of those troublesome students possibly grandchildren of the flower people?
Couldn’t agree more. I’m liberal and have always voted left. However, this new brand of far-left “activism” seeks liberal ends by abandoning liberal means, but unfortunately we live in the means. We live in the tension, the figuring out, and it is within that environment that the principles of HOW we conduct ourselves define where we stand in the eyes of history.
What a joke! You paint liberal societal norms, norms that evolved out of care and inclusion, and paint them with the same brush as UltraMaga controlling voters with fake media like Fox. The two are not even close
What far left activism? You folks who discuss this seem to deal in generalities. Is this so that you can never be held to a statement you've made?
Your “liberal means” comment is very well said. As a libertarian-conservative, I sincerely ask you to ponder your point with respect to nationalized health care, gay marriage, etc. I support the ends, but not the means.
If you’re liberal, and you’ve always voted left, then you’ve always voted *against* liberalism. The left is not only NOT liberal, they are ILLIBERAL. The left is the ANTITHESIS of liberal.
Liberal is based on individualism.
Individualism = right wing.
Leftism is based on collectivism.
Collectivism = left wing.
Individualism = the OPPOSITE of Collectivism
Liberalism is the OPPOSITE of the left.
If you’re a liberal, then vote ACTUAL LIBERAL, and stop voting ILLIBERAL.
Well done! Thank you for factual and rational truth.
Praise God for this Man of God for standing up for the truth of the Gospel in such a time as this and in a extremely articulate debate. Our whole Christian society needs more men and women to speak the truth of God’s word. I have a dear son in a homosexual relationship. My husband and I would never tell him that this is God’s intention for his life.
think you're missing the point there, darling, sorry,,,nothing to do with 'god, gospel or christian society'...(NB, lower case)
For the Woke, persuasion's not the point. They don't think it's actually possible. They think they, and anyone speaking to them, is primarily a product of social conditioning, not primarily a free, deciding agent. And conversation is thus a power-conflict between antagonistic forces, not an attempt to woo a potential decider to one's view. There is no fair player, and no potential friend in one's interlocutor. There is only a power-seeker. The goal in seeming-conversation, then, is to assert one's own power vigorously enough to conquer the power the opposition is trying to use...but truth, reason and conversation are mere seemings in this game: the Nietzschean, Foucaultean use of power is the deep truth of everything that's going on, they believe. Naturally, they must bully adversaries, rather than converse with respected others.
Absolutely right. Which also explains for them the malleability of language. As a tool of power rather than reason, words are marshaled to mean whatever they want them to mean. And new words too are created that they insist are the correct 'lens' with which to understand the world, words like 'cis gender'.
Finally, finally, FINALLY we are speaking up against the fascist wokeness
Yeah, because nobody has grunted "woke!" before now.
@@jackdubz4247 You're right 🤣
Excellent critique !
WOW . Toby has articulated all the feeling and intuition on the subject of wokeness that this lesser mortal would like to express !. The World was in a much better place before the divisive tactics of the far left .
Absolutely brilliant speech.
We’ll done Sir for your response to the Northern Ireland objection
I wonder why the English are disliked by so many , I'll leave that one hanging
By that logic, Russia's annexation of Crimea was fair because the majority in that region are ethnic Russians.
@@jennyomalley7634 hope your not a history major, The Norse men invaded Ireland in the 6th century and a lot of indigenous Irish fled Ireland too Wales and Scotland, the remaining Irish were sold in the Arab slave markets between the 6th & 11th century, William the Conqueror invaded Ireland too stop slavery, then banned slavery in Britain as Ireland was British.
Most if not all are decendants in Ireland are of Norse slavers. Dublin, wexford and Cork were built on slavery.
Iceland has more indigenous Irish DNA than Icelandic due too the indigenous Irish women being taken too Iceland as sex slaves as Iceland was short of women.
@@dunkirk1581 Obviously you didn't like my link.
@@jennyomalley7634 I wonder why people rent the problems and animosities of others without understanding anything about the situation?
Really well said and encouraging thankyou
So refreshing to see a civilized conversation about this insanity
Well Said Sir!🤗