The Flood, The Endless and The Cylix - Lore and Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2021
- In this episode: We discuss the Cylix and their possible ramifications for future stories in Halo Infinite surrounding the Endless and the Flood.
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It's crazy to think that there's just an entire room full of ancient prehistoric 4Runner age humans just sitting there I really hope Halo does something with that in the future it would be really cool for modern Humanity to meet ancient Humanity
Right?! Especially ones like that Lord Of Admirals guy Forthencho
@@nicwalker882 he was composed so I don't know if we will see him, but I think his gene song is in the Chief along with Iso-Didact possibly...
it's 343..they are clueless.
@@Dan_Therapist right thats why they actually had 0 contradictions to the lore they have established so far.
You realize they have people that work on the lore for the novels right?
What you say is northing more than an opinion, shitty one at that.
@@ladslounge2698 their track record. They've canned Halo 4 and 5, albeit poorly. They move like a headless chicken when it comes to story telling. Throw it out and hope something sticks and when it doesn't stick course deviate. I disliked Halo 4 and 5 even worse but what i dislike more is when the course correction is done so badly. Halo Infinite didn't feel like it's own story to me. It was just an extended prologue telling everyone we areoving away from everything we established in Halo 4 and 5
It'd be interesting if the Cylex's contained fully evolved ancient humans ............... and they got released. The potential story options there are numerous. The assumption the fully evolved ancients would be "Friendly" and not look at their ancestors like we do monkeys immediately leaps to mind.
Now that would be really interesting to see. If enough of these ancients survived then perhaps we could see them become a new enemy faction for Humanity to struggle against.
That's always been an interesting point to me. I wouldn't even call current humans, humans anymore. The humans of current Halo are more Forerunner than ancient human.
I’ve been wanting 343 to expand on the Ancient Humans (the ones that fought the Forerunners) for so long and seeing these Cylixes gives me hope that they will. Learning about the legacy of the Forerunners over the early Halo games was and still is really cool but now I REALLY wanna know more about how Ancient Humanity used to play a role. Like the weapons they used, their ships, their combat skins, everything. Imagine how they’d react to seeing Spartan IIs for the first time since AH and Spartans are both pretty muscular and combat proficient. Please make it happen 😩
I think they would be angry that this is what the forerunners had done to their people and would try to undo it through the Spartans.
I actually thought that was where this was going, the Endless were gonna be ancient humans, and that's a major part of why the forerunners reacted the way they did (combined with the obvious threat of being a flood vector)
I mean, Zeta Halo is THE human associated Halo, itd be crazy for them not to include that in the plot, and its be even more insane if it was never mentioned a single time, right?
"Now I will talk and you will listen."
- The Gravemind
"Now I will talk and you will listen."
- The Harbinger
The Harbinger's mouth looks a lot like the original Halo 2 Gravemind's.
My best bet is that the Endless are Precursors, Non-Flood variation, the way they are described as cyclical and repeating, like the Precursors, who would break themselves down and restart their own evolution, just to experience evolving from primitive to advanced again, and experience what all other life-forms lived though, the Monitors giving them that designation would make sense, seeing as how even the Forerunners are keeping her in the dark about things.
My thoughts exactly: I assumed from how the Harbinger referred to the Endless, never as "we" but as "them," that the Endless were revered by the Harbinger's species. Precursors/Flood fit the bill nicely.
I thought that could be the case but halos do destroy precursor artifacts and the endless seem to be unaffected by the halos so I am not sure if that is the case
@@iLikeDMR The Primordial survived a concentrated Halo firing because he's was contained; could be that they were all hiding out in some slipspace Precursor artifact that, once destroyed, released them.
@@brucemaximus3797 Harbinger's species is called Xalanyn. I believe she, along with a large portion of her race, were fanatical with the Precursors and then the Flood. I think how the Gravemind from the trilogy looks like a Xalanyn head indicates they were the first to be assimilated by the Flood.
@@brucemaximus3797 at the end of the game she refers to them as "Us"
One the audio logs with the harbinger, you can hear her say, "I shall talk, you shall listen." Something the gravemind said. It makes me wonder the relation.
It's possible the gravemind picked up the phrase from her. The gravemind precedes it by saying "There is much talk and I have listened, through rock and metal and time" being as the flood was on the same ring as the endless, he probably picked up the phrase listening then. Entirely possible the gravemind was able to access the cylexs the same way the weapon could. She mentioned that they talk a lot. Possible the gravemind was able to communicate and gather information from them
I swear near one of the Atriox towers, I heard him say, “Victory everlasting”
@@jordan_w20 or maybe the flood evolved from the endless. Maybe they are tied to one another
@@BaxsStudios I'd like to think they're completely separate entities. To me, it seems like 343 wants to expand the universe and introduce new ideas instead of repeating the ones we've seen already. I'm not completely against it, as long as the flood isn't downplayed as insignificant.
@@jordan_w20 facts flood is literally the main driving threat to the universe rn and they haven’t touched it yet, kinda pisses me off the most significant threat hasn’t seen any action in the last 3 games like wtf
Ancient humanity in the cylix? Couldnt wait to see how they would react to master chief and the UNSC
@@thebiggusdonnus8453 so Brutes then?
@@elishabiggs86 no we must accept Craig he is currently with noble 6 in a cave somewhere around zeta halo
@@CliffyDoesIt Craig’s touring Zeta halo with his new band
@@CliffyDoesIt please yes
Don’t worry that’s canon there’s even tour posters
Been excited to hear your thoughts on The Endless. It's really great to see the community theorizing and getting so excited with fresh content.
Hey I know this guy.
Ive been dying for this game to get the 00 treatment
One thing about Cylixes of the Flood VS the Endless, the former are blue along with every other indexed species... except The Endless. Perhaps The Endless are life not based upon Neural Physics? The fact that the Flood are Blue but the Endless are not is... interested.
Didnt even consider this aspect. You're right, it does raise a lot of questions
I’m pretty sure the endless aren’t susceptible to the ring because of their “biology”, so that lines up.I can’t remember if the flood messes with them tho.
Honestly I think you just nailed it! The Halos destroyed everything and species the Precursor’s created; including their bridges linking planets and everything they did was founded in their mastery of Neural Physics.
The Endless being unaffected would make way more sense if they’re not based on Neural Physics. If the Precursors were matter the Endless would be dark matter.
100% agreed on the species not being based off of Neural Physics, and that maybe why time doesn't affect them nor Halo.
@@in7trepid585 halos destroy all carbon based life. Which is the majority of multicellular organisms, including flood. The endless could be silicon based, nitrogen based, germanium, Palladium or titanium based. It’s all possible
I hope there will be dlc, preferably free. I was mildly disappointed how abruptly this game ended
Halo 2 all over again.
@@tristanbackup2536 If it's Halo 2 all over again...
Then the DLC should be Halo 3 all over again.
I was disappointed with how short it was. It a bit lacking on content rn.
No one seems to want to admit it, good for you
Same, I was like wtf I beat the game just now?
Why storing flood in cylyxes? It's easier to move and store. It doesn't require containment chambers, it doesn't take too much space, it seems to be easier to destroy. It is simply for ergonomics. I mean it's a storage unit, not a research facility.
Forerunners experimented on flood so it's probably just a test subject. It'll be released imo that tease has me yelling.
@@TheVentrexian Probably tested the Flood on the Endless tbh.
@@icefarrow7959 near as I can figure the endless were imprisoned to keep them AWAY from the flood.
@@icefarrow7959 nah I think they wanted to avoid that all together lol flood forms that can't be killed by the rings? Everybody screwed
@@TheVentrexian the rings already don't kill the flood. It only kills their food source making them starve to death. I think they were locked away because the flood would ultimately consume them and its harder to predict when to bring the living back to life when its hard to predict when the flood finally starves off. I dont work for 343i though so ultimately I dont know where they will take things. They could hold massive amounts of knowledge too seeming they are precursor and that alone is devastating. Who knows what they could turn into also. Juggernaut? Maybe? Hopefully?
Imagine if each Human Cylix contained a single Ancient Human and 100 of Ancient Human's best friends
That puts “Me and the bois” in a whole different tier lol
We finally get to see Ancient Prophets
And how they'd be ashamed that their modern equivalents became fanatics of opposite ideology
And be confused why ugly dinosaur people are humanity's new best friend
@@JohnPeacekeeper and why do they look like that neighborhood old fart that nobody likes
First of all , Forerunner had devolved the entire ancient human down to what it is today the Modern human, there is no ancient human left untouched anymore and the plot had no reason to let that kind of event happend, what left in those cylix are nothing but Predecessor of modern human being (CAVE MAN)
@@buffch1cken77 Me & the bois reclaiming the mantle of responsibility from the Forerunners.
Jokes aside, imagine ancient humanity meeting their modern counterparts.
On one hand, they might see modern humans as their equals, since the UNSC have managed to reclaim a good portion of their ancestors’ technological superiority. But on the other hand, the Forerunner Librarian’s influence on modern human’s genetics could mean that ancient humans might see modern humans as a threat or even as an abomination.
Those are my thoughts, though.
I hope the endless aren't some retcon OP super species type deal
I dont think the Harbinger and the skimmers are part of the Endless species, the outline on he cylix is completely different and if she was Endless why wouldnt her cylix be kept with the rest of the Endless
She is. It’s confirmed on the final mission description AND she says “we” several times when referring to the return of the Endless.
@@AlbertusSalvatierra I agree with you, but why is her Cylix Symbol differently-shaped than the other Endless? Do they actually look like 3-tipped star things but the Harbinger looks Humanoid?
also great to see you again, keep combating misinformation regarding the Endless!
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Idk the situation with the Cylixs. All I know is that they’re both Endless. Even the Skimmers, who have the same feet, mandibles, and skin tone as the Harbinger. And the same armor.
@@AlbertusSalvatierra maybe she means “we” as in “us” or are “purpose” idk but I’m excited!!
@@carloshicks9495 She says “We are returning” & “Today we return.”
One thing I always pondered. In Halo Legends a single Cylix contains a multitude of specimens and in Infinite the Harbinger’s contained only her. At the same time though her’s was orange/yellow as were The Endless’ in the post credits scene. That being said, the flood infection form Cylix is also blue like the others. So which is it. Do they all contain one specimen, or far more?
What if all the skimmers were in her Cylix with her?
I'm thinking perhaps blue just means the cylix is dormant and orange/yellow means they are in an opening sequence or have been opened? Hard to tell.
It's possible the harbinger either had skimmers or the ability to produce them or to release them from a lower level containment
@@thunderlifestudios Actually yeah that is a good point Thunder, as we do know she had the power to interact with a number of Forerunner installations and interfaces. But also thinking on that, she also had that one UNSC soldier with her for some time.
Ocam's Razor: this is just a retcon. Cylixs' hold one individual organism.
Whatever the Endless are it seems that 'time' is a significant factor that defines them. Maybe they are not just extra-terrestrial - but extra-dimensional. We know that the Forerunners were very powerful, but they had their limits. If time is the one force they could not master then it stands to reason that such knowledge would be of great importance to them. This may also be why Cortana and Atriox were so interested in this installation. They wanted the same as the Forerunners - the power to control time and the means to alter the past or the future. I just hope we get some answers in the next few years.
Yeah. I think the Foreunners are at the very limit of what our physics can do in this universe. Precursors, to be more advance, one must transend our universe itself.
@@tristanbackup2536 I know a lot of fans think the Endless could be related to the Precursors. I understand why, but i am not so sure. The fact that the Chief was able to kill the Harbinger would suggest otherwise. I could be wrong, but it would be nice to have another race in the Halo universe that is completely alien to anything we have seen in universe before. I am looking forward to finding out.
Could you imagine chief vs chief
@@MagnanimousEntropy and the fact the rings can kill the precursor, it could be possible they are precursor but in an early reborn stages
@@thunderlifestudios I agree, it is possible. It is written that the precursors evolved and re-evolved many times over the ages in many forms. So it could be possible. It would explain part of the reason why the Forerunners feared them so. But i still have my doubts. We will just have to wait and seen.
Imagine Istallation00, HaloCanon, and HiddenXperia all in a room together...talking about lore. Dude that would be an epic podcast.
Remove hiddenxperia and add sametoken and eckhartsladder
@@AkshatSTR8EDGE what?? Why remove my boy Luc? 😟
@@AkshatSTR8EDGE why can’t we just have both
@@AkshatSTR8EDGE Eck isn’t a true halo based channel fan like he is.
@@AkshatSTR8EDGE Why tho?
I want them to find some Forerunner Cylix's, accidentally open them, and then just have a bunch of civilians step out and be all like "Thank (insert some analogue for God... maybe 'thank the Mantle'?) our plan worked. We all hid away in a Cylix hoping they wouldn't noticed we had gone missing. This insane dude called Bornstellar wanted us to all die off to atone for past sins and or some such nonsense... He was completely insane. What did we, a bunch of Forerunners from the miner rate of a backwater colony have to do with the supposed 'crimes / sins of our people'? Always going on about 'Mantle this and Mantle that', we just wanted to chill and enjoy our lives after centuries of watching hundreds of trillions get slaughtered by the Flood... Anyway, we're gonna be off now, ask the Monitor to give us a few sentinels and supplies and then go set up a colony somewhere. Au Revoir"
That sounds amazing. I would love it if that wouldn’t even be plot relevant; the forerunners would just fuck off somewhere far away with no involvement with the conflict.
@@purpleemerald5299 it would definitely be interesting, imagine if they became an ally (not in a militaristic way just political) and helped us learn the lore of their past and our own past. That would be amazing lol. Nonetheless im doubtful it'll happen 😔
@@joshmorgan360 It would sadly likely be seen as a waste of time for a subject of game or DLC, hard to create an exciting shooter narrative for it, but you could probs have a mini-book written about it just as a little fan indulgence and cool little addition to the lore of the series.
The problem with sci-fi is that, when you are dealing with more than one species or group, its all to easy to sum them up into 'they have these traits and views, with maybe one or two unique individuals'. It's natural, you don't have millions of words to dedicated to the nuances of every society you come up with... but it does leave things looking a little lopsided, stale and frankly naive.
Many in the Halo Community (Pretty much the Humanity F**K Yeah! sections) will say 'who cares about the Forerunners, they deserved their fate'... But its like, the Forerunners controlled an empire inhabiting tens of millions of worlds, they numbered in the god knows how many trillions, hell, likely easily quadrillions. Are we supposed to believe every one of those was some sort of pantomime evil that deserved to be wiped out? Because... their ancestors may have tried to usurp the Mantle from humanity (because the Primordial would never lie to the Didact to feed his insanity?). Because they retaliated when they were being invaded by Humanity? Because parts of their leadership were corrupt and on a ten million year long power trip? Or any other sin committed at some point in their history by some members of their galaxy spanning race?
Well then, we should probs all be Pro-Coveneant and support their genocide, because the UNSC was perfectly happy to nuke an inhabited human world into oblivion for the slightest signs of having a problem being under the control of what is essentially a dictatorial Imperialistic Earth government... or any of the other atrocities committed against the Insurrectionsts pre-Covenant invasion.
I don't care if its civilians from some backwater, part of the Warrior-Rate, scientists or whatever else, it would just be interesting to see a race as interesting and deep as the Forerunners explored in modern Halo as more than 'Oh, they were part of the Forerunner leadership, and are either evil, or are utterly besotted with Humanity and think they are just the best ever'
That would be pretty sweet. In fact, ONI would want them for live specimens. It would be pretty sweet for a DLC for John to protect them & get them to safety.
Maybe they kept a small selection of flood, just incase they came across an enemy they couldnt win against and needed something that could before hitting the Delete Key again
I have a theory that the whole Harbinger and Skimmer relationship might be more of something like a queen bee. It might even be asexual in nature, but there is a lot we don't know about The Endless. We can assume that they are an extremely advanced species when fully matured
I really hope the endless are a form of precursor and the precursors end up being your idea of them where they are fully aware of the flood and are intact waiting to transform into them to experience the "sweetness'' of life as standins for the living universe itself.
Interestingly is that the Harbinger delivers one of the Gravemind’s lines with the whole double voice effect they always had.
They’re called Xalanyn. The Forerunners didn’t even know of their existence until after the firing of Halo. The name “Endless” is more of a titled.
@@AlbertusSalvatierra that makes me pretty sure they aren't Precursor, only that the Precursor met them at some point at most, or they developed some of the same metaphysical/ psionic abilities as them.
@@ArgentWolf95 Didact can literally use the force. The Harbinger being able to teleport around doesn’t seem like anything too special.
@@AlbertusSalvatierra Yeah, he had telekinesis abilities, among others, but I think that was powered more by psionics or technology he had as a forerunner. The Harbinger also has the capability to do some kind of throw as well, when she throws him out in that first encounter, her design is like she's some kinda "sorceress" archetype. Not saying she is on Didact's level, but they do have similar metaphysical skills. Another thing to note is she directly has a similar ability as the Gravemind and it's effects are similar to the Primordial's on ancient humans. I'm thinking less teleport, and more what we don't see. I also don't think it's as simple as a straightforward teleporting, but some form of time manipulation that makes it look like she is.
She's definitely not a match for an enhanced Spartan-II in direct combat, but what i'm trying to say is, her species has some advantages that scared the forerunners during the height of the original flood invasion.
I greatly enjoyed the inclusion of the cylixes, but the Endless seem more like something pulled from 343’s vaulted backsides than a general mystery. Then again, actually having cylix mystery boxes in game does deepen the shallow side repositories of new lore.
Silly me, hoping for a potential Ark return and some juicy new precursor lore. Here’s hoping we get world 2, stage one in a future DLC with a few different enemies and accompanying vegetables to throw at them.
Let me tell you I have been WAITING for your channel to make halo infinite lore content since it dropped. By far the best halo channel out there.
Supposedly they're also precursor etchings on the Halo that are warnings of the endless potentially meaning that the endless have been around longer than the forerunners
They have. It’s hinted at on multiple occasions.
What there are precursor etchings? Where are they at?
Me: hears the endless and immediately is reminded of a certain entity called the timeless one supposedly stored in a slip space bubble which we’ve probably passed through explaining time rapidly advancing at the end of the game. Halo 4 brings back a Forerunner, why not a Precursor/the flood in Infinite. Also everybody keeps saying the array didn’t kill one species (the endless) ignoring the fact that it doesn’t actually kill the flood either.
Installation000s favorite word- PLETHORA- seriously keep up the good work.
Now that we know that the Cylex's can contain the flood it makes me wonder if the forerunners ever tried to use the Cylex's to contain the flood on a large scale. Maybe they could of used them to help contain small outbreaks on important worlds, but they weren't effective enough.
Part of me would love to see a dlc story add on.
I hope ancient humans that are from our previous space fairing civilization are in these chambers imagine the technology the unsc could recover from our ancient ancestors
For some reason I imagine a few marines see a ‘Spartan’ in the distance and they get all hyped and go to regroup with them but it turns out to be this really muscular dude with long hair and facial markings. Idk if Ancient Humans would understand English but I’d imagine he’d feel threatened by a few humans that looked very different than him and he’d probably end up killing them and everything he came across. Maybe when he sees Master Chief he might think he’s of the same people cause of the similarities of Spartan IIs and Ancient Humans. I’ve put a lot of thought into this because I want 343 to somehow make AH relevant to the story. Like maybe the UNSC ends up discovering more artifacts of Ancient Humanity and that could be how we’d end up recovering from losing the Infinity. A man can dream 😔
Is it possible The Endless not being affected by the firing of the Halo and mentions of time being tied to the Precursor axioms of Living Time?
Like they were some sort of less-known creation of The Precursors that embodied this principle? Maybe they cannot be killed or their temporal powers means they can “Respawn” at another point in time. Meaning they are truly “Endless”
If so, the Forerunners would see as a major threat if they could still be susceptible to Flood infection.
Love the Cylix Idea I would like to see master chief having to Release and Ancient Human at some point to help the humans reclaim the forerunner technology or explain what happened. and maybe let some forerunners or flood out.
So happy to of subbed to this channel. Appreciate you waiting a week before dropping videos! I have seen some things in my youtube feed that spoiled stuff. Been looking forward to your lore videos the most!
Been waiting to hear some theorycraft from you 00. Lots of new lore to dig into
Love the new intro Mr. 00! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the grace period before the spoiler videos. I appreciated it.
Can't wait to see the vids on GEN3 and the Mark VII platform! Please keep up the great content :D
Was waiting for you to upload this
My question is, why was the harbinger somewhere accessible outside of the silent auditorium if she is Endless? The way the story is told makes it seem like all of the Endless were stored in the same spot. Yet here she is. Is she maybe a different species altogether?
Love your content! Keep up the good work!
When I first sall the Cylix's in the second mission I freaked. It reminded me of halo legends
Ahhhh so fresh. I’m excited for Halo lore over the next ten years
Great! I cant wait for your HALO infinite videos! just completed the campaing and ready for some deep lore theory & ideas! love your chanel
When i first saw the Cylix around the 11 minute mark i thought it was an easter egg for my other favourite Sci-Fi franchise...... a Reaper from the Mass Effect series 😅
Harbinger… Harbinger… it checks out!
Spoiler warning.
This is something I still cannot wrap my head around: Furerunners had "time manipulation" tech, otherwise later on the primordial could not have been killed.
But in the ending the say they don't have control over time and that's why they need to contain the endless.
They could only move time forward, which is a tech that comes with slipspace travel, they could never move it backwards.
Hidden the commment for those that didn't complete the game:
I always appreciate it wen you explain the science of Halo lore along with the actual lore itself. The Cylix's appearance in the game is very interesting and has a lot of potential. I just wish the Harbinger got to appear more and instead she gave a little more hints to who her people might be about, even though she is filled with rage at the genocidal attack on her people, as a betrayal by the Forerunners, which we know they are fully capable of and did. I noticed a few things with regards to her design. Her helmet has a symbol that is very familiar to us. This means the endless were a species of power, and one thing to note is, her attacks seem Psionic in nature. Telekinetic in nature, much like the Didact's, but also different. Her design is also quite regal, suggesting she is a leader. Also she is capable of causing madness in humans, ordinary humans, and speaks in a similar rhymical tone as the Gravemind. I'm not convinced she and the Endless are what we've called Precursors yet, but she has some abilities in common with both higher species.
The forerunners are also capable of technology that can influence time, through time dilation of certain areas, like in Halo: Retribution, but maybe the Endless take in to a whole new technological level not understandable by UNSC level humans.
I also wonder if the ancient humans would be friendly or not to their evolutionary successors, but they are a military society that makes our authoritarian states look small. I could see remnants being something equally bad for the UNSC. To them, we are primitives with primitive weapons. Kinda like Javik calls the Mass Effect races.
Either way. i'm looking forward to the next era of Halo, but Microsoft and 343, please don't limit it to Zeta Halo and one game.
That’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever heard in Halo lore. I love this channel.
YES have been waiting on ur vid for so long!!!
I loved the campaign and I’m excited to see the videos you have planned
You make me excited for halo. More than even the game. Cant wait to see more of your theories and videos
Another thing to consider: are the cylixes occupants updated genetically? The worlds they're from would change over time and so the species indexed would need to be artificially evolved accordingly or else they would stand a very poor chance of survival when re-introduced. For the original re-seeding, this wouldn't be an issue as it happened so shortly after the Halo Array was fired, but these ones in Infinite were obviously not used in the re-seeding and are most likely an emergency archive. Also, more importantly, the Master Chief is outright stated to be the culmination of the Librarian's plan for humanity, which means that he is what she intends to inherit the Mantle. Which in turn means I must wonder if the humans indexed on Zeta Halo have been genetically altered to be what are essentially "natural" Spartan IIs/IIIs so that if they were ever released, they would already be ready to get to work so to speak instead of being a genetic spanner in the works.
if one of them have a ancient human that was stored before being devolved by the forerunners and it gets opened then stuff can go sideways real quick
there could still be tech on the home world of humans and they could guide them to it putting humans above pretty much everything in the galaxy
Human technology was erased by forerunners and
The human home work had living precursor tech
Which was erased by
Halo
So the ancient human world is gone
But am ancient human would still be far more evolved with
Far greater knowledge than any other modern human
Ancient human tech was still inferior to forrunner in virtually any capacity
I understand why the Forerunners were afraid of the Endless.
It was mentioned they were immune to the Halo Array.
They can just fire the Halo when ever they want to and be just fine.
Which does beg the question of how their biology works.
Well, if they’re anything like the Harbinger who can teleport, then…what if they can just briefly hop out of our dimension to avoid the blast? Or maybe even skip forward through time?
@@purpleemerald5299 SKIP FORWARD IN TIME?
KING KRIMSON! ERASE 10 SECONDS OF TIME!
Well maybe they can use neural physics or some equivalent.
The grave mind and the precursors were able to manipulate time and space.
So maybe they learnt how to distort time.
@@fishclaspers361 Yeah, the more I think about it, the more things start to line up:
The ending detail of Chief and Cortana appearing 3 days in the future after going through the portal was WAY too random and specific to not be a clue.
Like you said, the precursors already transcended dimensions, and when the Harbinger teleported, it wasn’t always instantaneous; she could take a few seconds to pop back into existence.
That Forerunner in the after credits scene talked about how they couldn’t risk control of time falling into “their” hands. And somehow, Atriox got sent _backwards_ through time…
Or, less crazily, their Central Nervous System is just different than the standard for the Galaxy’s Sentient life these not being under target from the Halo Effect
The irony of Halo games being that, apparently, they are not immune to hot lead...or any other form of weapon in 117's hands. The BR worked well for me against the Harbinger.
It is like in CE, when 343 Guilty Spark talks about how Master Chief brought such primitive weapons to fight the Flood, but did better than the Sentinels.
Video game logic. Got to love it!
Thanks for the video! I am sure you will have your hands full here for a while with new Halo stuff. You did clear up a couple of things for me. I thought that the Harbinger was Endless, and that the Skimmers were also. But the way they hyped them up to be something so terrifying, I was thinking I must have been wrong. I guess just the fact that they could survive Halo not necessarily that they have combat prowess is the scary part.
If I was The Endless I’d be pretty upset after watching every living thing die all around me. Also if they survived Halo firing it means that also already survived The Flood
Yeeeww! THIS IS A GOOD MORNING. Coffee in hand, Installation00 in my ear 👂
Been away for a while, but your new intro is nice
Good job bro I enjoyed the video
absolutely love your content
Please do Jerome's lore and theory soon! Loved Fred, Kurt, and John's, and I just can't wait to see you break down the last one, of the 4 "best" spartan II's. Amazing series! Have a blessed Christmas!
You and HaloCanon are the best out there! thanks!
I've been looking forward to this
Finished the campaign in Heroic last night. Great stuff! So it's great timing, thanks for giving us a week! (now I can also go back and see the hidden Xperia videos he has been releasing).
I find the Boss fights a bit too much for a legendary run (would need much time to get gud), now I will leisurely pick the remaining collectibles and enjoy the beautiful open world. Hope we don't have to wait too long for the next chapter, things are just getting interesting.
Love this, hope they do more deep story!
Didn't they keep the infection forms so they test to see if the endless could be infected? Because the halo array didn't affect/effect them
Great video. I also suspect cylixes were chosen for the Endless *because* they effectively "lock" time. Anything that exists over a time period may have been susceptible to the Endless, assuming they do indeed have the ability to control or manipulate time. No time inside cylixes = no ability to break out.
Is there any in-lore explanation as to why the Forerunners simply couldnt have hid inside of the Cylix and waited out the Halo Arrays firing? Doesnt make any sense why all the species would willing kill themselves off when they could have just fled into a magic slipspace sarcophagus only to be let out again by a monitor.
They probably were unable to create enough cylixes to store an entire race just small amounts of each race
I had the exact same thought. Maybe the forerunners had learned of the truth about the flood and decided it was a better fate to just die?
They didn’t even have to do that.
They could have just gone to the Ark and waited out the firing there.
If you look at all the Halo story the Forerunners saw the firing of the Halo as a HUGE affront to the mantle and a massive failure. In fact; they failed so badly they pretty much collectively decided their species deserved to go extinct and that the mantle should be given to their successors, humanity.
Some Forerunner survived the Halo firing because they were on the Ark. they held the trial of Mendicate Bias and did some
Cleaning up in the Milky Way post Halo firing but then I think they exiled themselves from the Milky Way as punishment. I remember reading/ hearing this somewhere I just don’t remember the source.
Pretty much, the Forerunners were so ashamed of their failure to uphold the mantle they self inflected their punishment which would be extinction and exile.
Also, only the highest levels of the Forerunner Ecumene knew about the Halos and their plan to fire them. The “average” Forerunner citizen probably didn’t know about the plan to sacrifice the entire Galaxy to stop the flood and probably didn’t have a say in this Species wide suicide.
I always thought about the idea of ancient humans surviving the war against the forerunners. Then making a return to the galaxy in some way, like the librarian knowing of a secret ancient human world. Then helping them create a shield world and hiding the fact from the Didact (her way to attune for what happened after the war and devolving humans). But to see the Cylix potentially holding human-forerunner war era ancient humans, would be a nice twist to the story.
Pretty sure the actual name of the Endless is “Xalanyn.” Endless is more like a title of sorts. Similar to how the Forerunners gave themselves the name Forerunners.
Badass intro 🔥🔥🔥
Installation I suggest you look up about Bernardo Kastrup Cosmophycism. Heavy influence seen in the Greg Bear novels.
In one of the Halo waypoint things they show an infection form outline using the same design while talking about finding a cure.
Kinda unrelated but am I the only one who thought that the Created might have been using the Clyix's to create an organic alien clone army, and evil Cortana wanted access to the Endless's Cylix's so she can add them to her armys?
so commenting before watching everything but in the beginning of the game when you grab the very first power seed from the far left room. I believe there is an audio log talking about "raising something from down below"
On the opposite side there is another cylix that is raised that I personally just couldn't tell what was being depicted
Would love you to do an audio book cover if it were ever possible. Love the long form content
It'll be cool to see you do a review, and possibly a bit of a playthrough of the Halo infinite campaign, in general, or if nothing else, just a quick rundown of what happens in the campaign, and especially the "the weapon" AI, I've heard about and seen videos teasing of
theres also one of a rat hidden away in the other room with the variety of other spices too.
Flood ? Instant click
The possibility that a Cylex could contain several members of the same species instead of one is interesting, that would explain the Skimmers.
Imagine what could be in that flood cylex 👀👀👀👀
The story was fuckin amazing imo and I can not wait for more and more of your deep dives!
So we can all agree this is all retconny and hamfisted. Though I admit 343 is running into the Stargate SG1 problem of the Ancients, with the Halo Array pulse being galaxy wide and only taking place a 100,000 years ago, which is nothing. One of main producers of SG1 felt they screwed up royally with the Ancients by giving hard dates and explaining them completely. He felt if the the numbers were soft (when they existed, when Gate system was created etc) and we never knew much about them. Only that they built the Stargates and left behind dangerous tech after what ever happen to them. That having this kind of setup would have allowed the writers on SG1 a ton more plot and story ideas. Same goes for Halo, if the exact date the Halo Array was fired is unknown, only 100,000's if not millions of years ago. We didn't know if both the Forerunner/Flood war or the pulse was galaxy wide or just limited to the Orion arm of the galaxy. That we didn't know how far Forerunner territory extended in Milky Way before the firing of the Array. That Forerunner stuff is not indestructible, very strong and very advanced. But time and natural cycles of the galaxy like stellar birth and death, have taken a great toll on it. I know it's annoying not having hard numbers and set explanations. But it's possible to give the same understanding of what happen to lead to Halo Array and its firing. While still leaving a lot of stuff vague and hell it would let the fans speculate endless with their own versions of Halo history.
I like the new intro and song
Is it just me or does the Harbinger seem to only have power/s while she's holding the brain of the monitor, Despondent Pyre.
Also I'm having a hard time believing that their are things worse than the flood on this ring. I'm not saying their isn't, I'm just saying because they are the reason the rings were built to begin with.
I feel like the harbingers cylix was far too close to the surface for her to be that much of a threat. the human cylix were buried deeper.
I wouldn't try to get to dive too dep into the lore at this point. It is clear that the writers pull everything out of their butt along the way, without getting into it. A shallow sea, so to speak. And if they really bring in time travel at this point of the story it shows that they not only jumped the shark, but the whale. Time travel is pretty much a "Get out of jail" card, when writers got themself stuck in a corner, and don't know how to get out of it because nobody thought this trough.
Good stuff
The endless, I swear if they start talking about Dust, i'm going to lose it.
Well, thanks for finally filling me in on why I'd even attempt to care about these... because the game basically didn't do anything to really tick that box.
Ahhh fresh lore content ☺️
For some reason that particular cylex reminded of the leviathans from the mass effect series
I would love to see a video on the Arbiter now and if there were any covenant that still supported humans
So excited for exciting new lore theories. I hope this more or less ties in with the flood and isn’t just a random new faction 😅
Tbh, I’d like a new faction.
Wasn’t the flood much stronger when the forerunners were fighting them? If that spore got out it could make all hell break loose.
One thing that I was pondering is that the Halo array was invented to wipe out anything with a nervous system. This is due to the fact that the flood infect anything with a nervous system. Perhaps the Endless are considered more dangerous than the Flood because they do not have nervous systems, at least not any sort of nervous system anyone is aware of. To me, the Halos not killing the Endless implies that they do not have nervous systems, and if they do not have nervous systems, then there is no way for the Flood to infect them. Hence, the Endless are far more dangerous than the Flood.
If the endless are immune to the flood, wouldn't that make them the ultimate soldiers to combat the flood? Infection is the floods greatest weapon.
@@n7revan829 true, but it seems their motives are due to a deep hatred of the forerunners, which could make them an enemy to everyone, not just the flood
I'm constantly reminded of All Tomorrows and the Asteromorphs by the Harbinger and the Endless.
I think 343 may be making a reference to them as a potential source of theory crafting and implying lore.
I know I'm late, and I'm just now to the discussion about the Cylix in the video, but wasn't the... thingies that some of the Spartan IIIs were locked into at the end of Ghosts of Onyx like Cylix? Just curious. I haven't played Infinite, and likely won't ever get to, but I still want to Lore.
your videos remind me of really old documentaries. Neat hearing Halo lore though.
10 proto-graveminds... Holy shit, imagine all those coming together. How many graveminds woukd that make? Or would it just skip to a key mind?
could you make a video going over the physical and mental decrease in johns operational capacity if any when he was without an AI? Or the benefits John had from being able to integrate with an Ai, more specifically Cortana after they’re years of partnership if that had any affect
New lore for us to all nerd out to!!!!
In terms of cylixes being used primarily for 'indexing species' and secondarily as a form of imprisonment, I think it's rather the other way around. It is entirely possible that the Forerunners imprisoned those they considered threats to society or threats to their rule in cylixes, well before the Flood entered the picture.
It gets around the problems inherent in the methods our societies use: killing a leader can make a martyr out of them, and can have moral implications; imprisoning them traditionally still allows them periodic/limited outside communication; and exiling them means they can return later, often as an even bigger threat.
Imprisoning them in a cylix, however, removes all of those flaws. They 'could' be let out at any time, so they're not a martyr and the society is not morally repugnant for terminating their existence. Time doesn't appear to pass for them, so they pose no risk of communicating with the outside world. They're not roaming around free outside of society, so they can't 'return' without first being let out of containment.
I believe the cylix's original purpose was to hold mass murderers, political prisoners, and other societally 'detrimental' individuals, and it was repurposed for the 'indexing' and 're-seeding' project. It would be the equivalent of mass-producing portable solitary confinement cells and using them to protect a civilian populace from a hurricane or tornado: harsh, but effective.
There may be some whitewashing of the historical narrative within Forerunner records about when cylixes were first used, and for what, to try and alleviate that negative image. Also, the Forerunners have a lot of paternalistic savior complex stuff going on, so that makes the idea of re-writing the history of cylixes as an integral part of Noah's Arc rather than floating prisons even more appealing to them.
Thoughts?
The opening cutscene of Infinite looks like it was a last second decision in the final days of the development stage before the full release.
The reason why I think that it was added is because it's not in (full-screen instead it has the bars).
There's also a issue that I have found with the game, I don't think that anyone can start an 100% fresh game if they have missed the collectibles like (cores, customizations, skulls, and audio logs).
After I completed the game with most of the collectibles unlocked (except for only having 1 skull), when I got to the section of the game which the only objective was called (finish the fight) I couldn't get any of the audio logs that I missed in the Spartan category.
I don’t understand why the forerunners would keep any flood alive, knowing the threat that they pose. I mean they wiped the Galaxy clean of sentient life to get rid of them, so why take the chance?
Can't wait for Chief to rock a sonic screwdriver!