Soy and Manboobs: A Busty Myth?
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- Will soy bend your gender? An in-depth look at studies on soy phytoestrogens and hormones looking at both men and women.
Links and Sources:
Facebook.com/micthevegan | micthevegan
Phytoestrogens and Disease:
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Phytoestrogens and Heart Disease:
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Phytoestrogen and Kidney Disease:
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High soy can result in 59% less breast cancer study:
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Soy yields 13% lower LDL/Bad Cholesterol Study:
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Soy and Men Hormones Study:
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Meta-analysis on men, soy and phytoestrogen extracts:
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30-50% of men get manboobs:
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Phytoestrogen content of various foods:
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220 women over 2 years soy study:
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Meta-analysis on 47 studies no estrogen change:
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Soy Men Review/Final Quote on Soy being fine for men:
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I don't know about this... my wife had huge breasts before we both turned vegan and now, four years later, she still have huge breasts. Actually I have no idea what my point was anymore. I'm sure I had one though.
+Kim Nordstrom it was a joke
😂😂🙌
This is how i am with my girl
your point was big boobs we can all agree that is a good thing
Yesss
Great topic Mic.
I read an article a while back that looked into the origins of this myth. After a little sleuthing, the author discovered that many of the articles that were written about the negative effects of soy, including the idea that soy gives men man boobs, were almost exclusively traced back and/or funded by the dairy industry.
Those dirty lying fuckers
Do you happen to remember the article? I'm so confused with how I'm reading soy causes breast cancer yet in another study, it inhibits breast cancer. I'm already vegan but I still wanna know what to/what not to eat
I'm sorry Totogril0, I can't recall the name of the article but check out Dr. Michael Klaper or Dr. Michael Greger on what to eat and what to limit or remove. :)
Thanks! :)
Shocker.
I was raised on soy milk. Love my tofu, don't drink soy milk because I prefer almond milk. My boobs are just fine 🙃 these crazy assumptions saying soy is so bad for you are honestly ridiculous. Cow milk is really bad for you but no one bats an eye about it?? Blows my mind
+Fran Tastic It's crazy the lies culture comes up with. Drinking another species mammalian secretions, meant for their babies, not us...that's normal? But a bean, and the products made from it have people running from the hills.
+Vincent Zaleski right
Fran Tastic mic has no problem showing his blood work to prove his vegan diet is good so lets see his blood work for testosterone levels
Fran Tastic
I don’t believe you. Prove it.
You're a fucking woman........ It's not bad for you because your main fucking hormone your body focuses on is estrogen. Soy is literally fucking good for you..... NOT men.
I'm 17 and these myths were scaring me since I'm still going through puberty! Thanks for debunking this stupid myth omg what a relief!
It is true that eating soy makes you more manly.
I eat lots of soy and I am more manly.
Case fucking closed.
Seybertooth does it affect your testosrone?? reply me plzZ..
Hi Mike. A little late but just wanted to say thanks for making this video~! My mom has been concerned for a long time about soy and I am excited to share this with her to clear up the confusion.
I am 57 yo male. I went full vegan two years ago and I put on more muscle and lost 8% body fat using the same training routine as when I was an omnivore. What make me laugh is that the decriers argue that phytoestrogens must equal estrogens. Using this logic antivirals sound the same as virals so antivirals must be bad for you. Meat & dairy eaters you have been conned by the meat and dairy industry marketing. Go veganism!!!
awesome video dude. You make quality content and really explain the studies so everyone can understand. Keep it up
Oh my goodness, thx for speaking about this dude. Now I can continue using it without any big worries. :]
The way you said "FACT" at 5:31 made me laugh so much! 😂 awesome videos thanks!
Fido, phyto. Oh my goodness. 😂 I love it. Great video!!!!
Excellent! Marking this to share for anyone who expresses concern about soy and estrogen.
Hot, funny and vegan? You go Mic ! Keep going man, make more videos, they're very helpful !
Once again quality work sir, thanking you.
55 years vegan and I am HUGE!
But ur voice ?
You don't have any haters, do you
+Mr Pigeon He does. They are idiots though. Not because they disagree with him, but because they do not use factual basis to try to debate. His truth bombs are shaking their minds, and only way they know how to respond is with denial and trying to debate something they do not understand.
keep up the good work man , love the videos :)
I understand what you say, but why are phytostrogens safe and usful for menopause
I am vegan but still avoid soy as i noticed my Periods were heavier and cramps much worse every month when i drank more soy than other months, so i would argue based on my own experience that the estrogen in soy can have an effect on your body. No soy for me.
5:25 FACT! Hilarious!!
Mic, does beef meat from dairy cows (female) contain mammalian estrogens? Thank you! :)
The few phytoestrogens we have identified and have just begun to study have anti-estrogen properties; the body does not recognize them as true mammalian estrogen. Soy fearmongerers are no better than vegans.
However, we know almost nothing else about phytoestrogens. That's just because we know relatively little about nutrients in general. Every once in a while, we are still discovering a new nutrient.
And most people have never even heard of phytoandrogens, which actually do have some effects that mimic testosterone in the mammalian body - for better or worse. We don't know much about those either, nor have we even begun to identify them all.
And what abot IGF-1 busting level of isplated soy protein in soy milk..? It is grouth hormon so boopis can grow, right..? 🙋♂️ And the real question follows how to obtain fitoestrogen from Soy with out busting IGF-1..? See doc. Mecdugl post about Soy busting IGF-1... I am interested in your opinion about that... Thank you! 🙋♂️
is it true that it's best to consume fermented soy products because our bodies are better able to digest it?
great video thanks
I'm laughing my ass off. This video is great. I'm a vegan, but I've actually been avoiding soy for the very reasons ol Mic just debunked. Well done, sir.
I’ve been eating half a block of organic tofu everyday lately. Is that too much?
Soy milk effected me in this way, I caught it early on but I still got noticeable side effects. I do 100 push ups every day and my chest has been rock hard for years. But a few months ago I started putting soy milk in my coffee every morning for a few weeks, not changing my workout routine, if anything I increased it around this time because my chest was softer and didn't look as defined as before. I stop drinking soy milk and it goes back to normal. It just effects certain men differently maybe.
This guy is full of shit, I take phytoestrogens for a few days and I start developing more feminine for sure, if I took a concentrated amount then I would definitely have a trans figure.
However, soy milk doesn't have much phytoestrogen in it compared to what I was taking, only a small fraction of it. But this guy was saying phytoestrogens have no effect whatsoever and he is full of shit.
TM3000 well he's getting his information off of studies done on a recorded amount of men who drink soy milk. But it doesn't account for unrecorded phytoestrogen intake by men. I can't remember the last time a researcher came up to me and asked how soy milk effects my body. So yeah a large percentage of men like u and me are left out in the study, specifically the ones phytoestrogen effects negatively.
My mum consumed soy milk during her menopause to help the symptoms. Mabye it has some effect but not the one that these studies analysed?
I keep getting people telling me about "studies" about soy milk effecting growing boys negatively (I have a three yr old) I haven't seen anything on this. Can you talk about this please?
I was told to avoid soy because it will increase uric acid. I've tried looking up studies on this but have come up pretty much empty. In fact I found articles that debunk that claim. E.g. Can soy intake affect serum uric acid level?(Liu, Ho, Chen, & Woo, 2014). Am I missing something? Also - legumes and beans cause gout? (I'm vegan)
Phytoestrogens will avoid manboobs if the estrogen in the body is high or very potent due to its effect to bind to estrogen receptors, being 1000 times softer in that matter, Can you imagine what would do with athletes that use steroids?
you are right, it would block estrogen receptors and allow the circulating high estrogenic hormones only to pass through.......very interesting dont you think?
Great video again
Never ate soy before going vegan and I have man boobs. I ate lots and lots of meat and dairy all my life tough.
I used to drink a whole bunch of milk before going vegan, and I also ate a lot of chicken. I did this once I began working out, because I believed in high protein low carbs for building muscle and losing weight. I looked back to pictures of me a year before lifting, and I noticed an increase in chest size (not muscle). I've been vegan now for 4 months and I'm starting to work out again. I stopped after getting into a depression which I'm now happy to say am beginning to overcome. How long would it take before my chest returns to it's normal size?
Technically you can't really "get rid" of actual gynecomastia. It has to come from hormonal changes or surgery. Breast tissue can't be lost through diet and exercise.
Incorrect
The phytoestrogens scare is just another tool used by the milk industry. Yep, milk, which comes from a big pregnant mammal does contain more hormones than soy.
thanks
Vegans have long carrots and cucumbers.
FYACT!
Off topic, but what's your sign?
Ok so my question is on the soy protein isolate found in processed soy products. I read somewhere there was a study linking this with pregnant women giving birth to baby boys with small penises?? this actually scared me enough to stop all soy consumption during my pregnancy with my son. I did not replace it with milk. but i guess i felt like i would feel responsible somehow if he ended up with a small penis... lol I probably just scared myself with all those pregnancy hormones.
What about IGF-1? I heard it is raised by soy protein isolate
I eat raw veggies and soya Chunks, I don't have man boobs.
I've been on a plant based diet for a couple of weeks.
I need my animal alternatives to keep me sane.
This means soy milk lates, tofu scramble and soy cheeses for my lasagne, pizza.
The first things I've notice are my acid reflux has improved, my energy levels have gone up and at 45 years old I'm now getting rock hard erections like I used to get 30 years ago.
If This is soy lowering my testosterone, Bring it on!
Love The vids Mic, This one especially.
megabeergut I’ve been vegan for a couple of weeks and already off my prescription GERD medication!
rock hard erections lol
Deborah Lawrence that's awesome! Congratulations! 😁💗🎉
LMAOOO
My fiance reported the same... Ahem. He didn't have to REPORT it if you know what I mean.
I had moobs because I was fat. I decided to go vegan to lose the weight, so I ate a lot of tofu and drank a lot of soy milk. The amount of times I heard people say “that’ll make your manboobs even worse!” Made me a little worried, but my roommate at the time was majoring in agricultural chemistry and said gave me the whole talk about Phytoestrogens. So here we are. 4 years later, 60 pounds lighter, no more moobs and I’ve been eating soy practically everyday! What a silly myth to begin with🤷🏽♂️
Casey - my experience is the same as yours. I moved to Tofu and soy milk and put on more lean muscle and lost around 9% body fat. I look better at 57 than I did at 37.
Excellent and when people make those ignorant comments I remind them the Chinese been eating soy for thousands of years prior to the existence of the USA.
bet you feel so much better too? Ratchet it up to whole food plant based and it is amazing.
bet you feel so much better too? Ratchet it up to whole food plant based and it is amazing.
Me a flat Chested female: *shovels soy into mouth* ..it didn't work
ikr!? q-q
Pueraria mirifica works tho'. u-u
lmao
@@Azarilh what's that?
@@bricktea3645 It's a herb that gives lots of estrogens. I'm trans and i use this herb's pills and my boobies are growing. It works for cis females too. Those pills are in fact normally advertised as "breast enhancement". I guess most people would not believe that hence why no one knows about this.
Although if it would have grown the penis instead, it would probably got super famous and popular becos ya know, males. 🤣
the reason why men and particularly young adults are losing their manlyness, is down to porn in my opinion.
Yep i had ED... because of porn it take me 8 months of no fap,porn or any nudes! Porn is hell....
i agree tbh
THANK YOU. It's beyond me that people think plant estrogen would affect them and not give milk a second thought, which comes from mammals
Julia Bartlett touché!
They should get a hint from the word mammal which has the same root as mammary.
Arent humans mammals?
The points in this video are sooooyyyyy good.
The discussion is actually about the definition of masculinity, basically chauvinism making absurd statements about diet. It's purely dipshit identity politics.
Wait a minute…
Lol
Thank you so much for this. I have been scared of eating soy for almost a year now and my boyfriend accidentally got me soy yogurt instead, and I didn't want to waste it. I decided to do some investigating and this video made me feel so much better! I just got done with a delicious bowl of plain soy yogurt with frozen blueberries and some lime juice, and I can't wait to incorporate other vegan foods that I have been restricting myself from too long.
I feel the same girl!
What do you eat in a day (breakfast/lunch/dinner)? If it's not too much to ask, could you please make a video about it?
文俊辉 well, hi Jun
It seems people are ignorant in all aspects of life. Just keep chipping away my brother. We got this.
Fantastically researched mate. Finally a good source to send to people who won't listen to me reading the studies to them. Better than vegan gains video!
651 likes to 0 dislikes? you have a good community :)
A Happy Broccoli I love you.
please please please activate the "add subtitles" option, my friend want to subtitle your videos to spanish
+Eduardo Sanchez Ramirez No problem! I have been going through the videos and activating that option. It is now available on this video and hopefully all of them by the end of the day. Thank you so much!
Thanks Mic!
+Mic. the Vegan just subtitled, now let's wait for the revision
Thank you Mic! You're exposing so much research out there that isn't being shared by all the media we consume.
Been binge watching your videos. You definitely deserve more subs and views!! Subbed 😊
LisaInTheSkyMU Mike can you give your answer to this?
HAHAHAHA!!! I am going on over 20 years of regular soy intake(7 servings a week on average) and still no man boobs! What gives?
LOL. Same here in terms of soy intake. And I have been eating them all my life - 54 years. I still have rock hard erections in the morning; never had manboobs, and I have the biggest balls in my running group. :)
Serious question, I heard that the pesticides in soy are pretty heavy. I’m pregnant and have really mixed reviews online of soy safety during pregnancy. Would you do a video on it? Us pregnant vegans would be super happy about that, especially since we have such little guidance on it.
Compared to other crops? Nowhere significant enough.
You can buy organic
thanks for sharing this. I started avoiding soy milk because of all the rumors about it, but now I can confidently go back to it and feel good.
Two years as a Vegan 8 months doing calisthenics and weight lifting, I have a solid chest now, I drink a liter of soymilk daily plus some tofu or soy products every other day, and I love my gains.
You could od on soy bro 😂😂
That gain includes man boobs also right??
@@winstonbrown5195 he already told that he got solid chest
About to drop some knowledge on my boyfriend now. Thanks!
Jill Mitchell When I have kids my girls will be vegan but my boys need meat. Unfortunately they won’t be as healthy but girls like taller stronger men so yeah...
@@edwardhuang1590 No one needs meat.
Don't drop it on him!
Give it to him in a hand basket, that's much friendlier.
RefusesCookies no one needs veggies
@@vagrant-techart8278 What attitude? Is your masculinity so fragile that sharing knowledge is threatening to you? 🤡
Consumption of dairy, meats, fish, poultry, lamb seems to make people irrational. My kitchen is basically out of commission and we've been eating out a lot but as a vegan, I've managed to keep meats and dairy out of my diet. You know what you see eating out? Loads of fat people and the fattest are often the women.
All I can say is that people don't care what the truth is, so long as they were raised eating the Standard American Diet.
But then there are those of us who break free of the mind control. Ah, freedom, what does it smell like? A lot less B.O. The Japanese during WWII thought they were superior due to their milder body odor. The body odor is caused by eating meats and dairy. No problem since going vegan with body odor.
My husband does not want to research for himself and he's the one who got cancer. Hmm.
When I went vegan (and therefore eating more soy) my cycle actually went from about 26 days to 30 days but my actual period went from 5-6 days to 3-4 days. That could have been from soy, as I eat lots of edamame hummus and tofu
Love soymilk in my smoothies and love tofu on a regular basis, thanks for the vid!
Hope you go sterile from all the estrogen
@@norinator6284 somebody's jealous
Nathaniel Schauss true everyday i wish someone Would spoon estrogren in my system slowly turning me sterile and giving me man tits. Im so jealous of you soyboy
@@norinator6284 You didn't watch the video did you? lol Enjoy the estrogen rich cow's milk mate.
Ron Weeks you too
This has been Soy Helpful.
You said “1.7 cups of soymilk per day, [is] a considerable amount of soy” but you then said that “if you take 12 cups of soy milk and compare it to soy beans, it’s less than a quarter of a cup of soybeans worth of phytoestrogens”. This former point seems to refute the latter one, which is the big gotcha point. Also, I think you avoided this topic in your response to the Game Changers critics; did you change your mind? Lots of us would like to be convinced to eat soy again so please respond or make a new video.
Thanks Mic!
A lot of people still believe the soy boy myth. They are very self-aware individuals who are deeply concerned about man bewbs and have to let everyone else know.
Interesting that almost all of my "targeted" ads have become for meat (and alcohol, and both-at-once), even on this channel. Anyone else experiencing this?
TH-cam RED!
F*** ads rather pay my money then waste my life and brain cells on ads
another great one. You've made all the points without having to bring anyone down.. I shared this video with a few people because unfortunately man boobs are more important than deadly diseases
As a trans guy trying to go vegan, I sure as hell am glad this myth isn't true.
I had a double gynecomastia procedure about three years ago age 37, at great cost, but by a well known American Dr at a top private hospital. I had this problem since I was 18. I was fully vegan for two years age 25-7 and then stopped, and used it on and off to lose gained Vegetarian weight. I never liked soya milk - but I am sure it is much better and more varied these days. I never bothered with soya or fake meat products. My surgeon told me it was a hormone imbalance probably from an increase in oestrogen. He thought it was from alcohol - which is often the case. I started drinking when I was 16 and this seemed to tally esp as I had nothing appear during puberty, but only after drinking regularly. I am writing this because the soya milk man boob thing is nonsense and I have never heard it before in all my research before the op. It is nonsense, and the thousands of non-vegan men who have this problem are living proof. It is also less prevalent in societies where alcohol is restricted or prohibited.
One of my fave youtubers hands down. Go Mic!!
would 300-400g of soybeans a day every week for the next 5-8 weeks cause problems? or would I be fine? I'm cutting and I want a cheap complete protein.
I am new to veganism and it is very hard living with my parents while i finish college who eat a rather meat and junkfoood filled diet and relying on their financial support and cooking .We often have meat products for dinner and since thereisnt much else to eat ,I regrettably partake. After seeing all those provegan documentaries about animal cruelty,eco and health risks of meat consumption I have directed my self towards eliminating all the animal products from my diet but its hard to find suitable vegan replacements. After hearing about the soyboy phenomenon I was afraid that I would become fat or effeminate from it ( I ve struggled with weight since puberty), but since it obviously comes from an altright source I can discard any information regarding soy danger .Its still very confusing and scary because I EXCLUSIVELY eat soy as dairy replacements .
Replacing dairy with soy products should be fine. I do that as well mostly. For me, I normally take soy yoghurt or oatmeal with soy milk for breakfast and sometimes also a glass of soy milk during lunch. Sometimes with diner we also do something with tofu, so I normally have 2-3 servings of soy a day. Never experienced anything bad and feel great.
As with anything though , a well-balanced diet is very important. Next to soy, you should obviously also eat lots of fruits, vegetables, legumes and whole grain cereals.
I'm confused :( others say that soy can increase estrogen, even doctors say it. :(
Don't have too much of it then I suppose.
There's plenty of doctors who say it doesn't, and someone being a doctor only means they passed their exams at university, it doesn't guarantee their opinion is right.
You're the hyperlink king.
I love all your videos, I love your on-screen personality, your approach to science, your pleasing tone and I find your videos so informative and easy to watch. You are easily my favourite vegan youtuber! Keep rockin' it man!
Always informative and excellent presentation as always! Thanks Mic!!! Keep em coming bro!
You clearly have a bias about what you said about milk lowering testosterone and raising estrogen. Soy actually does lower testosterone and raise estrogen in extremely excessive amounts, like 54 cups of soy milk a day. Same thing with milk, you have to drink really excessive amounts.
I'm thinking of going vegan and when I do, it will be largely thanks to you! I've been binge watching your videos and they have cleared up most of my concerns about eating a plant based diet, such as soy can supposedly mess with our hormones. Amazing job with all the research you've done! Now excuse me while I go and watch some more of your videos, keep 'em coming! 😌
I just went vegan a few weeks ago and after my boyfriend started watching these videos with me he's thinking of doing it too. Good luck if you do!
I'm recently vegetarian, and slowly eating less animal products, so this was a pretty big fear of mine. This video really eased my anxiety about it, thank you!
1:45 lower serum levels of estrogens may be due to "negative feedback", that estrogen receptors make due to being activated by fytoestrogens... no big deal, man body needs estrogens as well I suppose :-) :-) I wish my med school focused more on dietary matters :-( channels like this one provide me some basic info. Thank you for that. I am going to look for more comprehensive evidence :-) keep up the good work
How come no one worries about the estrogen in meat?
Soy does nothing worry just ask me
I consumed soy protein isolate for a month and I noticed a bit of a weird growth in my lower chest. I've tried eating lots of fiber and estrogen absorbing foods to counter it but it's not working that well.
I'm a new subscriber! I love your videos! The sarcasm! OMG!! Love the information and the studies you cite to back up your talk. Mad props and much respect. Deuces!
About the Men's Health guy and his manboobs: Your average soymilk from the drugstore has added sugar in it, let's say about 2 g/100 ml. If he didn't specifically seek out sugar-free soymilk, 12 cups or about 2.7 liters per day comes to 50+ g of added sugar per day, which is super unhealthy (in my area, the official recommendation is that you should consume a half of that, tops). Even if he drank healthy sugar-free version, the one I use has around 30 kcal/100 ml and that would add up to over 800 kcal per day if you drink 12 cups of it. If he didn't compensate for the extra calories by reducing his food intake, that's a huge increase to his daily energy intake and enough to make him gain some flab. So, I'd go for that sugar bomb or that sudden increased calorie consumption first if we're looking for a reason for his changed physique.
On behalf of me and my male friends, I just want to say a big thankyou for this video. And yes I'm one of those guys who was worried about moobs/etc.
I love your channel I'm super glad I found it and you made me to switch from vegetarian to vegan thank you so so much I've been watching your videos all week.
Due to my health problem so I start drinking soy milk it true I start noticed my body is too soft, losing hairy chest and body too and my erection is very weak and no longer ejaculations. I start to feel freak. I knew something wrong...with soy milk. I don't have man boobs because I'm on diet and I'm losing weight which is so great because of soy milk. I losing about 25kg very quickly
Wow Mic. I don't get why I was always told or always heard that soy is bad for you. Where did that originate from?
I think people just don’t like change or things that are different and soy is one of them.
What kills me is people think it is natural to drink cows milk and eat beef. There is nothing natural about the process. LOL
And of course, being vegan doesn't mean eating soy three times per day. Some vegans are allergic to soy, and some vegans just prefer other foods.
Implicit in the soy-is-bad narrative is that being vegan means eating soy every day, and it's therefore much healthier to not be vegan. It's entirely possible to be vegan and eat little or no soy.
Soy milk is delicous. uwu
Please tell me why you "wouldn't binge eat soy everyday". I'm shooting for 250g protein/day for bodybuilding and am looking for a variety of high protein foods to eat everyday. I'm afraid of the man tiddies myth. It's like you convince me that its perfectly safe but then you tell me not to eat a lot of it every day.
2 cups of soymilk is a joke. I eat a whole block of tofu at a time. If I did this every day, is that a bad thing? If so, why?
You are one of my favorite youtubers 😻 you should have like a million of subs!!
The way you look tells me enough, thank you.
Have to show all the guys I know who think it's unmanly to take soy xD
And yes penis can grow with higher T just like breasts can grow on higher E , my hormones balanced out going vegan and my boobs did grow xD
According to Google, a cup of soy milk has 131 calories, so that dude was DRINKING over 1500 calories... And I assume ALSO eating a normal amount of food! He probably gained a bunch of weight... Which can result in man boobs... *eye roll*
Soy also has Genistein, Dr. Robert Cohen from NotMilk said in a Haiti's Vegetarian Society lecture, that Soy is an Endocrin Disruptor which is good. Broccoli has twice than Soy of Phyto-Estrogen...
Genistein he says breaks the mechanism where the real Estrogen binds to the cells.