Theres a little story/quote: a grandparent doesn't plant an oak tree expecting to enjoy the shade in their lifetime, but rather so it can protect and provide shade for later generations. Absolutely fell in love with this project when I first heard about it, and I really hope nothing interferes with its success
Maybe there could be a solution to bringing back the mammoth or at least creating something that looks similar to the original animal other than cloning. They can include excessive hair growth genes to allow elephants to grow hair at a faster rate to the point where it becomes a coat.
3:17 And we’d also have to wait for the large herbivore population to reach the point where they can support large carnivores like the Siberian tiger, and still thrive in the park without being hunted to local extinction.
My project for my environmental ethics class is about this very topic. Aside from a written report on the subject, I will also build a simulated Pleistocene Park in Zoo Tycoon 2. The rough draft is due Saturday/Sunday.
@@morewi Where have you been?! Extinct Animals was the first major expansion released by Blue Fang where you could get well what it says. And also Dino Digs in the original Zoo Tycoon.
the idea of this kind of reintroduction effort actually having firm footing and potential as the years go on... mind blowing. I so, so hope the project is a success!
Viewers from the US, start sharing this Pleistocene Park ideas all over rewilding groups and try finding connections with shipping companies and people who can arrange transport of about 50 wood bison from US/Canada to this park. I believe park collected enough money to buy them, but they are so isolated it's hard time to arrange shipment and find companies.
Not at anywhere even close to the resent rates proven to be correlated to the isotopic signatures in the carbon molecules in the atmosphere traced to fossil fuels showing a drastic unprecedented rate of change.
"Currently, Pleistocene Park consists of an enclosed area of 20 square kilometers that is home to 10 major herbivore species: reindeer, yakutian horse, moose, bison, musk ox, yak, kalmykian cow, sheep, camels and goats."
My main problem with bringing things such as mammoths back is that you're not really bringing them back, you're bringins something that looks similar to it and genetically is similar to it but at the end of the day it will end up behaving like an elephant and not a mammoth. Creatures like mammoths and elephants are very intelligent animals and most of their behaviors are learned and not instinctual so it won't truly bring them back like it would say with a lizard or something far less intelligent. It's still a cool idea but it's not really all there.
Yeah but, Mammoths also evolved from prehistoric Miocene like elephants. They're not that different. I mean, if these "hybrids" spend enough time (lets say couple thousands of years) in the Russian tundra, eventually they'll became Mammoths themselves through natural selection, don't you think?
And since I already brought up jurassic park, there's a reason why pretty much all the dinosaurs in those films don't look so accurate to real life ones. It's because in Jurassic world (the 4th film in the series) that Henry Wu who is one of the men responsible for cloning the dinos since the first film said how they never had 100% dinosaur DNA and that they've always filled their genes with with other animals. They may just be movies, but I'd say it's a good way to show that no matter how hard you try to bring back extinct life, they're never be exactly like their Prehistoric counterparts.
@@ktsalinas5444 idk much about the movies at least not very extensively but I love the novels. In The Lost World the entire point that Creighton pushes is the one I described above where you're only physically bringing them back and not in their entirety. He uses the Raptors as an example showing that their pack dynamics were all wrong because while they hunted together and cooperated they did not have healthy pack behavior, the moment any Raptor showed weakness like sustaining an injury they'd cannibalize it in savage fashion. It's really effective at driving the point.
@@Trollogrefey Well, I definitely know about the JP novels too. Those two books by Michael Crichton definitely do a good job at telling the dangers of genetic technology, and are also much darker then the films.
5:11 Exactly! Yes there COULD be an ecosystem in the moss, but it would be a pretty basic food chain, without much complexity. I also want to add that Bison have been introduced to Europe for the first time in 6,000 years, and so far, from what I can find, it's a success. Woolly mammoths went extinct 4,000 years ago, which is shorter, by around a third. So any 'the environment has changed arguments', could be called into questions, for some of the more recent extinct species.
Cave bears were omnivores, if not herbivores. Nice video though, I was hoping for a video about this topic, and I wasn’t thinking you of all people would make this.
Finally a crazy russian idea I truly like I hope the best for them and this should be an international cooperation, specially if we get mammoths again. And I think every continent should have a reservoir like this one in areas that have gone extreme changes since the end of the last ice age. I bet we could do something alike in northern Europe in the large and wild expanses of Sweden or Norway.
I think this is great idea and even if we don't see any results soon the idea of reintroduction of these animals to to an area once populated with their ancestors or them is awesome. Especially if it changes the environment to benefit the world
As much as I admire the stated intent behind this project, I have some big issues with it. I may not be a biologist, but I can look back at the history of artificially introduced species to new areas and say that it has not been a good one. The impact artificially introduced species have had on local ecosystems has, on the whole, been largely negative. That’s not to say there are never positive effects, but it’s far easier for an introduced species to disrupt ecological balance in unpredictable ways than it is for us to successfully plan a positive change. This even applies to reintroduced species-or at least analogues-if they’ve been gone long enough. Sure, ten or twenty thousand years may be the blink of an eye in geological terms, but it’s still enough time for an ecosystem to adapt to a new balance, and reintroducing a species that has been absent from that ecosystem after that period of time can have its own problems-look at some of the issues feral horses have caused in North America. I also think it’s... pretty arrogant of anybody to claim something is not a “real ecosystem.” Can an ecosystem be altered for the good of the species living there? For the good of the planet as a whole? Maybe. That doesn’t mean that the existing ecosystem is an illusion, and treating it as such makes me wonder whether these people really have the best interests of the organisms living there in mind, or whether they’re just interested in charismatic megafauna. I also think that the money that would likely need to be invested in cloning extinct species on a scale large enough to make viable populations could likely be better invested in projects with a more proven effect on the impact humans have had on the environment, if that’s the main interest. I mean, the idea that these extinct species may have a positive effect on global temperature trends is a neat one, but it sounds highly hypothetical at this stage. I would caution anyone who sees this project to at least do a great deal of research into these subjects before getting too swept away by the idea. It’s definitely cool, but I don’t know that it would be as wholly positive as the project leaders seem to believe.
The de-extinction of the large carnivores to keep the herbivore population in check so the entire ecosystem stays in good balance is an amazing idea. Like how yellowstone has actually become more biodiverse (floura and fuana) with the reintroduction of wolves. Even the bison are healthier as a whole, due to the weak being removed.
Don't you just hate it when visiting Pleistocene Park and the electric tracked car stops outside the sabre tooth tiger enclosure and the electric fences stops working, amirite?
The current species there like bison and reindeer coexisted with the extinct ones. Imagine the African Serengeti and that's what the biodiversity looked like.
What would be nice first step would be instead ranch large herds of livestock. As a response to any nay sayers is "don't care we want some burgers" not exactly like anyones living there now.
Well that's what multiple organizations are doing. the mammoth is there dead last step that won't happen for decades. This is to help with the climate disaster by reintroducing fauna into the area. the mammoth is the last step to that. Support the organizations that are helping populations from going extinct
The revive and restore foundation are doing both. They are using genetic engineering for both de-extinction projects like the woolly mammoth and passenger pigeon, as well as genetic rescue/enrichment of extant animals like prezwalki's horse, horseshoe crab etc...
The Bactrian camels ar all from domestic stock. The wild ones are down to a small population which they would not get approval of for splitting up. As to the Plains bison (iirc 24 currently) and the Visent (only 1 remaining, a bull. others died first winter iirc) interbreeding could occur, but since this is thousands upon thousands of km from the closest other population it is not seen as a problem. But the Visent is acting as a hanger-on to the Yaks, not the Plains Bison (going by what the Park's crew is posting on their facebook & instagram).
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siberian tigers are more forest creatures so unless they plan to have some forested areas in the park the tigers may just get outcompeted by animals such as wolves and maybe cave lions
Yeah just imagine seeing the cave Lions walking around that they probably couldn't do dire wolves because there are no living species that is closely related to them that are still living
Imagine a new timeline where humans went extinct and the mammoth steppe and pleistocene megafauna like mammoths, bison, horses, reindeer and cave lions return to its former glory!!
Nah there are no close living relatives escept may be the Clouded Leopard, but too has been contested in recent times, the only animals you can bring back feasibly are predators like Cave Lions who although wer not true Lions, but the descend from a common ancestor, and were one of the very rare "social" cats with primitive prides as in they weren't as social as Lions today, they behaved kinda like Asiatic Lions, then again, Lions behave diffferently in different environments such as how the same Asian Lions in North Africa lived solitary lives sometimes forming small packs with one Lion one Lioness and their cubs, all due to limited food.
I understand your concern and appreciate your reference to Jurassic Park. However, it is important to keep in mind that Pleistocene Park is a scientific project that is being developed by experts whose priority is to recreate the ecosystem that existed during the Pleistocene period and not to create a tourist attraction like Jurassic Park. Also, the animals that are being proposed to reintroduce, such as mammoths, bison, and horses, are herbivores and do not have the predatory instincts portrayed in Jurassic Park. Therefore, while it is crucial to approach these types of projects with appropriate caution and consideration of potential consequences, the comparison to Jurassic Park may not necessarily be appropriate in this specific case.
If each politician, billioniare of this world. Gift one animal to this place the problem will be solved. N some morons should stop pumping money into mars and try to fix this first
The poor will always be with us we have been instructed in the Bible but is there any sense for certain individuals to legally obtain a fortune while there are so many without while the ones that have received so much Grand gesture Grand authority Grand privilege as though they have made the world a better place with all of the misconceptions containing to society in general as a whole to Love thy neighbor what you talking about man
Also for the bactrian camel there's the treat of them interbreading with the domesticated ones and weakening the genetic diversity of the wild bacterian camel and if one day come to the park the would remove the domesticated ones it's also the same story if the plan to bring the perzwaski wild horse to the park not only are they endangered but also if they breed with the domesticated horses there it may cause inbreeding and a lost of genetic diversity in them so if parzolski horses come they'll need to remove the ykatan horses
animals prefer to breed with hthere own species rather then others so if teher are enough they can co exist also explain hoow there arent no white tailed and mule deer hybrids
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Theres a little story/quote: a grandparent doesn't plant an oak tree expecting to enjoy the shade in their lifetime, but rather so it can protect and provide shade for later generations.
Absolutely fell in love with this project when I first heard about it, and I really hope nothing interferes with its success
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I wish we could have seen our lost megafauna ecosystems.
perhaps one day we will
if cloning of the mammoths is successful
Maybe there could be a solution to bringing back the mammoth or at least creating something that looks similar to the original animal other than cloning. They can include excessive hair growth genes to allow elephants to grow hair at a faster rate to the point where it becomes a coat.
Yeah me too
one day
I do too so much so!! All that life!
3:17
And we’d also have to wait for the large herbivore population to reach the point where they can support large carnivores like the Siberian tiger, and still thrive in the park without being hunted to local extinction.
What is the current estimate for the population rn
@@Laskoeditzz look at their website. It's about 160-200 individual animals. It's quite detailed
My project for my environmental ethics class is about this very topic. Aside from a written report on the subject, I will also build a simulated Pleistocene Park in Zoo Tycoon 2. The rough draft is due Saturday/Sunday.
Nice
Good luck my friend! I hope you get an A!
You can get prehistoric creatures in zoo tycoon?
@@morewi Where have you been?! Extinct Animals was the first major expansion released by Blue Fang where you could get well what it says. And also Dino Digs in the original Zoo Tycoon.
@@morewi yes
the idea of this kind of reintroduction effort actually having firm footing and potential as the years go on... mind blowing.
I so, so hope the project is a success!
Viewers from the US, start sharing this Pleistocene Park ideas all over rewilding groups and try finding connections with shipping companies and people who can arrange transport of about 50 wood bison from US/Canada to this park. I believe park collected enough money to buy them, but they are so isolated it's hard time to arrange shipment and find companies.
the worlds geography and ecology have always been changing.
Not at anywhere even close to the resent rates proven to be correlated to the isotopic signatures in the carbon molecules in the atmosphere traced to fossil fuels showing a drastic unprecedented rate of change.
Yeah and what happened to a lot of species during the changes.
"Currently, Pleistocene Park consists of an enclosed area of 20 square kilometers that is home to 10 major herbivore species: reindeer, yakutian horse, moose, bison, musk ox, yak, kalmykian cow, sheep, camels and goats."
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My main problem with bringing things such as mammoths back is that you're not really bringing them back, you're bringins something that looks similar to it and genetically is similar to it but at the end of the day it will end up behaving like an elephant and not a mammoth. Creatures like mammoths and elephants are very intelligent animals and most of their behaviors are learned and not instinctual so it won't truly bring them back like it would say with a lizard or something far less intelligent. It's still a cool idea but it's not really all there.
Yeah but, Mammoths also evolved from prehistoric Miocene like elephants. They're not that different. I mean, if these "hybrids" spend enough time (lets say couple thousands of years) in the Russian tundra, eventually they'll became Mammoths themselves through natural selection, don't you think?
After all, a story like Jurassic park kind of teaches you the dangers and ignorance of trying to bring back extinct life.
And since I already brought up jurassic park, there's a reason why pretty much all the dinosaurs in those films don't look so accurate to real life ones.
It's because in Jurassic world (the 4th film in the series) that Henry Wu who is one of the men responsible for cloning the dinos since the first film said how they never had 100% dinosaur DNA and that they've always filled their genes with with other animals.
They may just be movies, but I'd say it's a good way to show that no matter how hard you try to bring back extinct life, they're never be exactly like their Prehistoric counterparts.
@@ktsalinas5444 idk much about the movies at least not very extensively but I love the novels. In The Lost World the entire point that Creighton pushes is the one I described above where you're only physically bringing them back and not in their entirety. He uses the Raptors as an example showing that their pack dynamics were all wrong because while they hunted together and cooperated they did not have healthy pack behavior, the moment any Raptor showed weakness like sustaining an injury they'd cannibalize it in savage fashion. It's really effective at driving the point.
@@Trollogrefey
Well, I definitely know about the JP novels too.
Those two books by Michael Crichton definitely do a good job at telling the dangers of genetic technology, and are also much darker then the films.
I've been donating $$$ to Pleistocene Park for over a year.
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5:11 Exactly! Yes there COULD be an ecosystem in the moss, but it would be a pretty basic food chain, without much complexity. I also want to add that Bison have been introduced to Europe for the first time in 6,000 years, and so far, from what I can find, it's a success. Woolly mammoths went extinct 4,000 years ago, which is shorter, by around a third. So any 'the environment has changed arguments', could be called into questions, for some of the more recent extinct species.
That’s really interesting! Quality videos again, just fascinating stuff!
Cave bears were omnivores, if not herbivores. Nice video though, I was hoping for a video about this topic, and I wasn’t thinking you of all people would make this.
they did eat bone marrow from time to time tho
Sorry, it did mention the permafrost, my mistake, deleted it from my comment
Finally a crazy russian idea I truly like I hope the best for them and this should be an international cooperation, specially if we get mammoths again.
And I think every continent should have a reservoir like this one in areas that have gone extreme changes since the end of the last ice age. I bet we could do something alike in northern Europe in the large and wild expanses of Sweden or Norway.
I think this is great idea and even if we don't see any results soon the idea of reintroduction of these animals to to an area once populated with their ancestors or them is awesome. Especially if it changes the environment to benefit the world
Oh yeaah.
As much as I admire the stated intent behind this project, I have some big issues with it.
I may not be a biologist, but I can look back at the history of artificially introduced species to new areas and say that it has not been a good one. The impact artificially introduced species have had on local ecosystems has, on the whole, been largely negative. That’s not to say there are never positive effects, but it’s far easier for an introduced species to disrupt ecological balance in unpredictable ways than it is for us to successfully plan a positive change.
This even applies to reintroduced species-or at least analogues-if they’ve been gone long enough. Sure, ten or twenty thousand years may be the blink of an eye in geological terms, but it’s still enough time for an ecosystem to adapt to a new balance, and reintroducing a species that has been absent from that ecosystem after that period of time can have its own problems-look at some of the issues feral horses have caused in North America.
I also think it’s... pretty arrogant of anybody to claim something is not a “real ecosystem.” Can an ecosystem be altered for the good of the species living there? For the good of the planet as a whole? Maybe. That doesn’t mean that the existing ecosystem is an illusion, and treating it as such makes me wonder whether these people really have the best interests of the organisms living there in mind, or whether they’re just interested in charismatic megafauna.
I also think that the money that would likely need to be invested in cloning extinct species on a scale large enough to make viable populations could likely be better invested in projects with a more proven effect on the impact humans have had on the environment, if that’s the main interest. I mean, the idea that these extinct species may have a positive effect on global temperature trends is a neat one, but it sounds highly hypothetical at this stage.
I would caution anyone who sees this project to at least do a great deal of research into these subjects before getting too swept away by the idea. It’s definitely cool, but I don’t know that it would be as wholly positive as the project leaders seem to believe.
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Great video
Great video.
Wow so cool!
Great project!
Great stuff thanks
The de-extinction of the large carnivores to keep the herbivore population in check so the entire ecosystem stays in good balance is an amazing idea.
Like how yellowstone has actually become more biodiverse (floura and fuana) with the reintroduction of wolves.
Even the bison are healthier as a whole, due to the weak being removed.
Don't you just hate it when visiting Pleistocene Park and the electric tracked car stops outside the sabre tooth tiger enclosure and the electric fences stops working, amirite?
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The current species there like bison and reindeer coexisted with the extinct ones. Imagine the African Serengeti and that's what the biodiversity looked like.
We should have these animals by now.
What would be nice first step would be instead ranch large herds of livestock. As a response to any nay sayers is "don't care we want some burgers" not exactly like anyones living there now.
Call me crazy, but what if we focused on making sure more species don't go extinct, instead of bringing back knes that already are extinct?
can't see why we can't kill two birds with one stone.
@@dorudon7774 Last time a bunch of birds were killed by one stone, it caused the KT mass extinction
Well that's what multiple organizations are doing. the mammoth is there dead last step that won't happen for decades. This is to help with the climate disaster by reintroducing fauna into the area. the mammoth is the last step to that. Support the organizations that are helping populations from going extinct
The revive and restore foundation are doing both. They are using genetic engineering for both de-extinction projects like the woolly mammoth and passenger pigeon, as well as genetic rescue/enrichment of extant animals like prezwalki's horse, horseshoe crab etc...
well saving pandas is nice but it wont stop climate change
He has wild and domestic varieties such as Bactrian Camel.
How will cross breeding be prevented?
Same with the different species of bison for example.
The Bactrian camels ar all from domestic stock. The wild ones are down to a small population which they would not get approval of for splitting up.
As to the Plains bison (iirc 24 currently) and the Visent (only 1 remaining, a bull. others died first winter iirc) interbreeding could occur, but since this is thousands upon thousands of km from the closest other population it is not seen as a problem. But the Visent is acting as a hanger-on to the Yaks, not the Plains Bison (going by what the Park's crew is posting on their facebook & instagram).
what is the problem with cross breeding to be honnest
in true nature they would do the same
Do the evolution of birds
I don’t know if he wants to make a 4 hour video
@@professorpine7374 dude he makes only cenozoic videos
Birds are not real,kid.
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564birds are real dude
Não seria "Make"?
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3:40 where is this animation from?
I think from the documentary called ice age giants
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Couldn’t Siberian tigers fit the position for the dominant carnivore? They are going extinct and with more fawna up there it could be good for them.
siberian tigers are more forest creatures so unless they plan to have some forested areas in the park the tigers may just get outcompeted by animals such as wolves and maybe cave lions
Ok.
sourse of map from 0:10 ?
Irish elk wasn’t present in eastern Siberia
they should substitute the american lion in place of those puny cave lions for more awesomeness
Yeah just imagine seeing the cave Lions walking around that they probably couldn't do dire wolves because there are no living species that is closely related to them that are still living
We have Cave Lion DNA. This is the main reason why we are able to "bring them back" from extinction
american lions never lived in the mammoth steppe
@@laurabryan6938 dire wolves also never lived in the mammoth steppe so teher is no point
Imagine a new timeline where humans went extinct and the mammoth steppe and pleistocene megafauna like mammoths, bison, horses, reindeer and cave lions return to its former glory!!
Can you do a video on evolution of mongooses?
More I see the criticism for this is meaningless and foolish
ookk.
I hope the sanctions aren't stopping it. Also, I was hoping it was moving faster forward.
Who would fund this dream?
I would like to bring back saber tooth tiger
Same would be cool
Dunno if that would have much of a climate effect. It would be cool
Nah there are no close living relatives escept may be the Clouded Leopard, but too has been contested in recent times, the only animals you can bring back feasibly are predators like Cave Lions who although wer not true Lions, but the descend from a common ancestor, and were one of the very rare "social" cats with primitive prides as in they weren't as social as Lions today, they behaved kinda like Asiatic Lions, then again, Lions behave diffferently in different environments such as how the same Asian Lions in North Africa lived solitary lives sometimes forming small packs with one Lion one Lioness and their cubs, all due to limited food.
saber tooth tigers never lived in the mammoth steppe unless you're talking about homotherium but that has no closet relatives
Knowing Russians, I hope they will create a Jurassic park someday
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Did nobody see how Jurassic Park turned out??
I understand your concern and appreciate your reference to Jurassic Park. However, it is important to keep in mind that Pleistocene Park is a scientific project that is being developed by experts whose priority is to recreate the ecosystem that existed during the Pleistocene period and not to create a tourist attraction like Jurassic Park. Also, the animals that are being proposed to reintroduce, such as mammoths, bison, and horses, are herbivores and do not have the predatory instincts portrayed in Jurassic Park. Therefore, while it is crucial to approach these types of projects with appropriate caution and consideration of potential consequences, the comparison to Jurassic Park may not necessarily be appropriate in this specific case.
Also, jurassic park is a fucking movie?!?
If each politician, billioniare of this world. Gift one animal to this place the problem will be solved.
N some morons should stop pumping money into mars and try to fix this first
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The poor will always be with us we have been instructed in the Bible but is there any sense for certain individuals to legally obtain a fortune while there are so many without while the ones that have received so much Grand gesture Grand authority Grand privilege as though they have made the world a better place with all of the misconceptions containing to society in general as a whole to Love thy neighbor what you talking about man
oooookk.
THE PLEISTOCENE IS IN THE BIBLE
Siberia has a skin
Preserved
I really wonder about that
Also for the bactrian camel there's the treat of them interbreading with the domesticated ones and weakening the genetic diversity of the wild bacterian camel and if one day come to the park the would remove the domesticated ones it's also the same story if the plan to bring the perzwaski wild horse to the park not only are they endangered but also if they breed with the domesticated horses there it may cause inbreeding and a lost of genetic diversity in them so if parzolski horses come they'll need to remove the ykatan horses
but if the parzolski horses only breed with temselves the change of inbreeding is way higher then if you freshen it up with new gene mamterial
animals prefer to breed with hthere own species rather then others so if teher are enough they can co exist also explain hoow there arent no white tailed and mule deer hybrids
I personally, think this is a good idea, but we should not go around doing it to all tundras.
r/megafaunarewilding
The park is just too small to have any impact on climate change.
Horrible voice.. sorry
You don’t even have a channel
Plus how the hell can anyone control how their voice sounds
next year they will introduce the mamoth 1st clone
In the future, Africa is not unique place which have more megafauna! 🦣🦬🦌🐅