I worked on this movie for two weeks while it was in New York City. As a Batman fan, I was really excited and happy to work on it, but there were many frustrating moments. Still my most memorable work experience on a film.
Known as the Batman movie with the worst, most cringe "RIDDLER" ........EVER!! That's what Hollywood gets for allowing Jim to rip off Matt Frewer's "Crazy Guy" i.e. "Max Headroom" persona back in the the early-mid 90's!!
@@danroberts8078 it was truly no big deal. I was the only assistant in one of the departments when the production came to New York City for a little while. The circumstances had me working extended hours since I was the only assistant. I was a tiny cog in a giant machine. It meant something to me though as a Batman fan. I’m an aspiring writer, so I’ll save my little personal stories until I can mold them into a creative endeavor. Someday 🎞️
If I remember correctly "KISS FROM A ROSE" by SEAL was the ballad song for this film. I remember me and 2 friends watching this at a refurbished Drive-In-Theater in 1995. Everytime I hear that song I put it on blast. It was the resurgance of SEAL's career and kept him from being a one hit wonder with his early 90's jam "CRAZY" which is also Epic! Seal had like a whole albm worked around this soundtrack hit. I like this film. The next one I saw was that PIECE OF CRAP with Clooney where he had the "Bat nipples" LOL! and "Mr. Freeze" aka Schwarzenegger uttering those completely awful puns ick...... Val Kilmer is Underrated. Just for playing Jim Morrison in THE DOORS he should have got an OSCAR and another one for playing Doc Holliday in "Tombstone"
Looks like we think alike-- to an extent. I like Batman forever, and wasn't impressed by Batman and Robin. Not sure if it's because Clooney was Batman or what, but... eugh. And I enjoy Kilmer as Doc Holliday.
I like Batman Forever, but there were a few details here and there that bothered me. B&R took those few things and filled the whole movie with them! And as for Seal, he is one of the most underrated artists in the world. IMO the best track on Santana's Shaman album was his duet with Seal "You Are My Kind." Great song.
It's interesting to see a few ideas that ended up in the Nolan Batman trilogy, such as the origin flashbacks and the monitoring/spyware through telephone devices.
In the Batman Forever novel, Grayson saved Chase from muggers in the opening before the Circus Incident, hence she sees him afterward for therapy. Also, at the end, Harvey doesn't lose balance, Robin calls out his hypocrisy, saying he should flip the coin on himself. He does and it comes up tails and Harvey throws himself to his death. Robin in guilt-ridden until Batman tells him Harvey did the right thing in the end.
The right thing would have been to see the error of his ways and his need for serious medical help ( and plastic surgery ) and surrender to the Dynamic Duo. His obsession with duality cost him his life. However this was a smart move made by Robin and it didn't look like Batman killed Two-Face with those fake coins.
That actually answered some questions I've had since I was a kid lol. I remember playing the BF Super Nintendo game back when it came out, and I always wondered why the first level was in Arkham Asylum, and why there was a level where you fight on a train somewhere in the middle of the game. I guess the game was based on the original script and not the final cut. I just assumed it was filler, but I guess it wasn't lol
Warner Bros has confirmed that the extended version does exist in their archives. And it’s completely finished. But there’s no current plan to release it yet.
I remember seeing the image of Bruce Wayne staying in front of a giant bat and thought it looked pretty cool I would have loved to see a tortured Bruce Wayne story in the movie.
I wonder if Manbat was going to originally be in the movie? I thought it looked really cool, and can't imagine it being for only one scene. Maybe there were concerns of audiences thinking it was Manbat when it wasn't meant to be. In any case, I'd *love* to see this version!
One of my only problems about Batman films is that the story needs more villains: Man-Bat would've been perfect in Batman Returns where he's a former Triangle Circus mutant-freakshow attraction turned goon alongside Penguin, Firefly, Killer Croc, and Killer Moth in which they're all tied in the same origin story.
@@KenMasters. I really like this idea. Penguin can still be the ringleader, but the rest would make for good henchmen. It would probably mean less screen time, though for cat woman, and for Christopher Walken‘s character.
Till this day, this one is still my favorite Batman movie of all time. Yes it was very campy and could have been better, but the suits, Batmobile, and many other things is why i loved it
@Alex T I've watched every single Batman movie multiple times. People spend too much time sucking the Snyder Cuts dick to realise Batman Forever was actually good.
@@sidearmsalpha I love Val kilmer as Batman, but the movie was a big giant coloring book, the Batmobile was ugly compared to the original, Keaton opening scene was badass in the first movie. Coming in as a creature of the night, that fight Keaton had with that guy with the double swords was cool! And how he controlled his car by remote control. Jack Nicholson was great in this movie! Soundtrack was great! Batman Returns was still dark which I liked but Michelle Pfeiffer made the movie watchable wasn't as good as the first? Batman Forever turned me completely off! Putting nibbles on the Batsuit? It's like the direction the director was going in trying to turn Batman into a sex symbol and not something to fear at night? Jim Carrey really did a amazing job! it didn't take a scientist to see this director was going to ruin this Franchise with another attempt! Batman and Robin destroyed this franchise and left it dormant! That Batmobile in this movie was The Flintstones mobile? I fell asleep watching this movie!? Lol!!
Couple of years ago sat and watched this with my 2 nephew's (7&8) haddent seen it since the cinema when I was 13/14. Like you said gets mixed up with Batman and Robbin. It's actually better than I remembered. Needless to say my nephew's taught it was amazing
@@shainewhite2781 I don’t know if this is true, but I heard Schumacher originally wanted to make this movie much darker as Batman should be, but WB wanted it to be more lighthearted to promote the action figures
@@nsasupporter7557yeah he wanted to do that and if you see his filmography, he was definitely the right guy to tell a dark Batman story, but he had to follow orders and so he did
@@GreatBeardofWisdomagreed. not rubbish but boring. I couldn't even get past the first 20 minutes. 4 hours? that's too long for a justice league movie in my opinion. just watch the theatrical release.
Definitely shifted away from the path to "The Dark Knight Returns," but I thought Val was a fine Bruce & Batman. I grew up on after school reruns of tv's Batman, so the goofyness slipping in wasn't as bothersome. Jim being Jim as the Riddler was really the worst part for me. Harvey could have been darker and, as you said, his coin results should have been what his personality turned into...not just keep flipping until he gets a result. What's the bloody point of that. Overall though, it was an enjoyable popcorn flick, just not the best Batman story that could have been presented. Thanks again Minty!
I agree, the Two-Face coin flip made no sense and Jim just made it cringe. Frank Gorshin will always be the GOAT Riddler. These hack Jim Carrey fans are delusional.
I’m a die hard U2 fan and their song during the credits “Hold me thrill me kiss me kill me” of course is on none of their albums. At one of their concerts in Oakland, Ca U2 was playing with The Sugarcubes and Public Enemy. It was the strangest yet BEST combination! During U2’s first encore all of a sudden I heard the guitar part for “Hold me…” and a huge Bat Signal on the screen. Most bandwagon fans were like “Huh, why are they showing a Batman video”… but I was going freakin insane screaming my head off! Bono came out with a Riddler cane with a big question mark. It was the so awesome!!!!
I will forever defend Batman Forever. Even in it's compromised state. We'll never see a a live action superhero film as lavish and fantastical as Batman Forever ever again - a superhero film so wholly in its own outlandish and fantastical world. You don't need aesthetic "realism" or "groundedness" to tell a good story. And while most of the heavy stuff was cut, there is still a psychological core to Forever that keeps it compelling.
Fun Fact: Dr Burton in *"BATMAN FOREVER"* was played by the late Rene Auberjonois, who was Roy Bagley in the 1976 Para-mount remake of *"KING KONG",* Col. West in *"STAR TREK VI: The Undisco-vered Country"* & Odo in *"STAR TREK: Deep Space Nine".*
I have to give you a lot of credit for your extensive study of movie facts. Because it helps to put a lot of things into perspective. I could see you going far with my alien series, which discusses the universe and why it exists, as it takes a mind like yours to uncover the true nature of why things happen and why they become what they become at the end.
I honestly believe that the final version did so well for one reason: Jim Carrey was the biggest comedic powerhouse in the world at that time and everyone wanted to see his antics played out in a legendary villian.
You do great work my friend. Keep it up. I couldn't agree more with what you posed as the potential Batman Forever movie. Was fun, but could have been great.
I love this movie a lot! Always a wonderful Batman story to pop on and not have to think about as much stuff you have to with the Keaton films. I personally see this as the Batman comfort movie. Your alternate version stories are very interesting!
This must be my 50th comment over the years saying how much I love your taste in movies Mark! It's identical to mine in every sence. And I was born in 86 (like you) and we've been brought up in the best time for movies. I appreciate every video you do! And this comment is just a reminder of thay!
I think it would’ve served the movie better for Carey & Jones to swap places as the villains. Carey would use his manic energy to jump between Two-Face’s personalities, and Jones would’ve been a very menacing Riddler.
I think I actually went to see this 9 times in the cinema. I was 10 or 11 years old. Looking back, I suppose it seemed dark and dangerous to me at the time. I also still get chills when I hear those two utterly superb songs, both of which could find a happy home in a Bond film!
In a way Batman Forever was a step closer to comics-accurate than the Burton movies. It introduced the idea that Bruce was head of a company called Wayne Enterprises and the idea that Batman has it as a sacred code not to kill, for starters. But the tone and feel of Batman Forever are just so cringe compared to the Burton movies, which understood the Batman mythos on a more fundamental level even if they got some of the details wrong.
This was the first & only movie I got to see with my late half brother. It holds a special place in my heart for that reasons. He, his sister (through his mom & stepdad), my sister, and myself went & saw it at a now long-gone Carmike Cinemas 12 behind the mall here. He bought us all kid’s packs, and went to a K-Mart to get Batman toys after. Sadly, the theater that replaced it has WORSE seats (dreadfully cheap/uncomfortable), screens are small with holes, and filthy. K-Mart been gone 15 years, Mall is near empty, and all the remnants of the memory exist solely in the past.
Dear Minty, this was a superb and wonderful exploration of the original intended "Batman - Forever". What you revealed sounds to me to be everything which Batman is. How Batman, Two Face and Riddler are looked into, as characters, would've made for a far more engaging film for the audience. Each of them are living with either an identity they wish they were OR struggling with one they have? The Jim Morrison reference in the comic, IS OF COURSE, a nod to Val Kilmer playing the Lizard King in the film "The Doors" a few years before. This leaves me fascinated and hoping you do a similar video for "Batman & Robin"? Is the original totally different and superior to what we got OR was it even worse? Or perhaps something we could never imagine? I think what "Batman Forever", and other films like it, prove is how badly interfere from suits or changes to the script, can take away a version which would've treated the audience with brains and robbed the film being seen completely different? Great video and thank you for the hard work you do on this and all your videos. David
I think there's an excellent Batman movie trying to get out. If you take the basic premise and execute it differently, you could have something great. Also, I really like the Robin costume
I would have loved this original script version! I always felt like Tommy Lee Jones should have been able to use his talent more than was reflected in this version of Two Face. I really liked this movie when i saw it as a tween, but i really think it would've been fantastic to include all of it! Great job on this video, Minty!
Man this is my favorite Batman movie growing up! Val kilmer was the perfect Batman, and both Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones were legendary as Riddler and Two-Face 💯💯💯💯💯💯🦇🦇🦇🦇
I gave that movie a chance and the only funny parts for me were the Chevy Chase scenes. I wish he had been in the whole movie and I wish they had gotten back the original Rusty (Anthony Michael Hall) and Audrey. It was just such a wasted opportunity of a movie.
Batman Forever should have been a complete reboot of the Batman franchise with Val Kilmer as Batman, Robert England as The Riddler, John Cleese as Alfred Pennyworth, Kurt Russell as Two Face, Dennis Quaid as commissioner Gordon & I personally would have cast someone younger as Robin
I love Robert Englund but Hollywood would have never cast him as the lead villian on a mega budget, A list, star studded picture, that's not the way the business works. Jim Carrey made more money off of Batman Forever than Robert Englund did his entire career, there's a HUGE divide between A list and everything else
The idea where Batman faced the hallucinations of the Joker, Penguin, and Catwoman was later used for the cancelled Batman Unchained/Triumphants movie as part of the Scarecrow's fear gas.
I have a suggestion that I'd bet never gets covered. "Unhappily Ever After" is an American sitcom television series that aired for 100 episodes on The WB from January 11, 1995, to May 23, 1999
When this film came out. This was a very cool film. I liked the art direction, the actors (Val Kilmer though not perfect was a good Batman), the script had issues. However film did seem to have a younger audience in its sights... Oh, it was a nice day back in 1995, when I went to Birmingham Odeon to see this film! I own this on 4K UHD now! Still looks good for it's age.
I had seen these deleted scenes from Batman Forever such as Bruce going deeper into the cave finding a giant bat to find himself again straight from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and Arkham Asylum.
You have to rember that when Batman Returns came out a lot of people called it too dark and wanted to go back to 66. This movie gave them what they wanted and know what they recast and changed and didn't need to call it a reboot. they just slipped it in to canon. As a Kid I couldn't tell what was or wasn't canon. If TMNT came out and then the live action TV series and the Power Rangers crossover and the band I thought all of that was all one canon so any other time a film came out I thought it was all connected. Now adays when we get a new Spiderman we reboot the whole story and go back to the begging. We Could have made all the Spider Man films ONE continuous story if we didn't reboot all the time. We could have even saved the canons for Superman and Green Lantern. Some of that old scrip reminds me of 66 it would have been fun many of the old versions work better
I worked on this movie for two weeks while it was in New York City. As a Batman fan, I was really excited and happy to work on it, but there were many frustrating moments. Still my most memorable work experience on a film.
You should tell this story!
Known as the Batman movie with the worst, most cringe "RIDDLER" ........EVER!!
That's what Hollywood gets for allowing Jim to rip off Matt Frewer's "Crazy Guy" i.e. "Max Headroom" persona back in the the early-mid 90's!!
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT he was the best part of the film
Well tell us the frustrating parts.
@@danroberts8078 it was truly no big deal. I was the only assistant in one of the departments when the production came to New York City for a little while. The circumstances had me working extended hours since I was the only assistant. I was a tiny cog in a giant machine. It meant something to me though as a Batman fan.
I’m an aspiring writer, so I’ll save my little personal stories until I can mold them into a creative endeavor. Someday 🎞️
Don't forget about the soundtrack. The U2 & Seal songs were huge summer hits.
Kiss From a Rose!
Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me 😉
If I remember correctly "KISS FROM A ROSE" by SEAL was the ballad song for this film. I remember me and 2 friends watching this at a refurbished Drive-In-Theater in 1995. Everytime I hear that song I put it on blast. It was the resurgance of SEAL's career and kept him from being a one hit wonder with his early 90's jam "CRAZY" which is also Epic! Seal had like a whole albm worked around this soundtrack hit. I like this film. The next one I saw was that PIECE OF CRAP with Clooney where he had the "Bat nipples" LOL! and "Mr. Freeze" aka Schwarzenegger uttering those completely awful puns ick...... Val Kilmer is Underrated. Just for playing Jim Morrison in THE DOORS he should have got an OSCAR and another one for playing Doc Holliday in "Tombstone"
Looks like we think alike-- to an extent. I like Batman forever, and wasn't impressed by Batman and Robin. Not sure if it's because Clooney was Batman or what, but... eugh. And I enjoy Kilmer as Doc Holliday.
Seal won an Oscar for best original song.
I like Batman Forever, but there were a few details here and there that bothered me. B&R took those few things and filled the whole movie with them!
And as for Seal, he is one of the most underrated artists in the world. IMO the best track on Santana's Shaman album was his duet with Seal "You Are My Kind." Great song.
Actually the song was originally on the 1994 album Seal II, and was re-released after it was featured on Batman Forever
@@BennyLlama39 correction. "Kiss From a Rose"
I loved this movie as a kid. Had the toys, watched it almost every day. Batman is still my favorite now in my late 30's
Oh dear 🫣
Nothing wrong with that. SO much more to it to enjoy now as an adult with the Novel and deleted scenes
Nostalgia has made Val Kilmer my favorite Batman ❤
He also WAS
He gets such unfair criticism...i thought he was a great batman...in my opinion way better than christian bale
I hope someday we get the Directors cut on 4k.
"OH NO! IT'S BOILING ACID!"
Two-Face: For tonight's pleasure, we serve you the VERY same acid which made US what we are TODAY! HA, HA, HAAA!!!
It's interesting to see a few ideas that ended up in the Nolan Batman trilogy, such as the origin flashbacks and the monitoring/spyware through telephone devices.
This movie definitely had good ideas but mixed to poor execution. I still love it for nostalgia though.
In the Batman Forever novel, Grayson saved Chase from muggers in the opening before the Circus Incident, hence she sees him afterward for therapy. Also, at the end, Harvey doesn't lose balance, Robin calls out his hypocrisy, saying he should flip the coin on himself. He does and it comes up tails and Harvey throws himself to his death. Robin in guilt-ridden until Batman tells him Harvey did the right thing in the end.
The right thing would have been to see the error of his ways and his need for serious medical help ( and plastic surgery ) and surrender to the Dynamic Duo. His obsession with duality cost him his life. However this was a smart move made by Robin and it didn't look like Batman killed Two-Face with those fake coins.
That actually answered some questions I've had since I was a kid lol. I remember playing the BF Super Nintendo game back when it came out, and I always wondered why the first level was in Arkham Asylum, and why there was a level where you fight on a train somewhere in the middle of the game. I guess the game was based on the original script and not the final cut. I just assumed it was filler, but I guess it wasn't lol
This is one of my favorite Batman’s. Doesn’t get the credit it deserves.
We NEED the longer version of this film
Warner Bros has confirmed that the extended version does exist in their archives. And it’s completely finished. But there’s no current plan to release it yet.
It's finally coming!!
I loved the merch for this one when I was a kid, especially the McDonald’s cups. It’s definitely grown on me as an adult as well. 😊
I got a Riddler cup I put my bottle of heart burn pills in lol
I still have the complete set :)
So 3 hour cut exists doesn’t it
@@Frosenborg same here
Best mctoys ever
I love Val Kilmer as Batman. ❤
Unfortunately, it was an unpleasant experience for him
I remember seeing the image of Bruce Wayne staying in front of a giant bat and thought it looked pretty cool I would have loved to see a tortured Bruce Wayne story in the movie.
I wonder if Manbat was going to originally be in the movie? I thought it looked really cool, and can't imagine it being for only one scene. Maybe there were concerns of audiences thinking it was Manbat when it wasn't meant to be. In any case, I'd *love* to see this version!
One of my only problems about Batman films is that the story needs more villains:
Man-Bat would've been perfect in Batman Returns where he's a former Triangle Circus mutant-freakshow attraction turned goon alongside Penguin, Firefly, Killer Croc, and Killer Moth in which they're all tied in the same origin story.
@@KenMasters. I really like this idea. Penguin can still be the ringleader, but the rest would make for good henchmen. It would probably mean less screen time, though for cat woman, and for Christopher Walken‘s character.
Till this day, this one is still my favorite Batman movie of all time. Yes it was very campy and could have been better, but the suits, Batmobile, and many other things is why i loved it
Still to this very day my all time favourite Batman film. Not the slightest bit ashamed about it.
@Alex T I've watched every single Batman movie multiple times. People spend too much time sucking the Snyder Cuts dick to realise Batman Forever was actually good.
@@Me-qp8vz Me? I'm 34.
I really loved this movie as a kid and was fascinated with all the cut content when I got older. There really is a great movie in there.
The best parts of the script became the Nolan trilogy.
Loved this movie as a teen and loved Val Kilmer as Batman.
He looked better as Bruce than Michael Keaton who just looked too old to be Bruce.
@@sidearmsalpha I love Val kilmer as Batman, but the movie was a big giant coloring book, the Batmobile was ugly compared to the original, Keaton opening scene was badass in the first movie. Coming in as a creature of the night, that fight Keaton had with that guy with the double swords was cool! And how he controlled his car by remote control. Jack Nicholson was great in this movie! Soundtrack was great! Batman Returns was still dark which I liked but Michelle Pfeiffer made the movie watchable wasn't as good as the first? Batman Forever turned me completely off! Putting nibbles on the Batsuit? It's like the direction the director was going in trying to turn Batman into a sex symbol and not something to fear at night? Jim Carrey really did a amazing job! it didn't take a scientist to see this director was going to ruin this Franchise with another attempt! Batman and Robin destroyed this franchise and left it dormant! That Batmobile in this movie was The Flintstones mobile? I fell asleep watching this movie!? Lol!!
Bob kane said Val was the closest Bruce to what he had in mind when he wrote the character
You are describing the Batman film that we deserved.
Couple of years ago sat and watched this with my 2 nephew's (7&8) haddent seen it since the cinema when I was 13/14.
Like you said gets mixed up with Batman and Robbin. It's actually better than I remembered. Needless to say my nephew's taught it was amazing
All these years later and I still can't get over this is the same guy that directed The Lost Boys. How the mighty fell.
Release The Schumacher Cut!
schumager is dead
@@omegarugal9283 I know, but his estate might release the darker cut of the movie.
@@shainewhite2781 I don’t know if this is true, but I heard Schumacher originally wanted to make this movie much darker as Batman should be, but WB wanted it to be more lighthearted to promote the action figures
@@nsasupporter7557yeah he wanted to do that and if you see his filmography, he was definitely the right guy to tell a dark Batman story, but he had to follow orders and so he did
I grew up on Batman Forever. I still enjoy it. I do wish Warner Bros. would release the extended cut.
in 4k uhd
Fuck it. Get the Snyder cut too
@@freddysevolution9 4 hours of complete rubbish.
@@GreatBeardofWisdomagreed. not rubbish but boring. I couldn't even get past the first 20 minutes. 4 hours? that's too long for a justice league movie in my opinion. just watch the theatrical release.
@@nicoledickson6099
The theatrical release is pure GARBAGE and was one of the biggest blunders in Hollywood history. The real film is ZSJL
Definitely shifted away from the path to "The Dark Knight Returns," but I thought Val was a fine Bruce & Batman. I grew up on after school reruns of tv's Batman, so the goofyness slipping in wasn't as bothersome. Jim being Jim as the Riddler was really the worst part for me. Harvey could have been darker and, as you said, his coin results should have been what his personality turned into...not just keep flipping until he gets a result. What's the bloody point of that. Overall though, it was an enjoyable popcorn flick, just not the best Batman story that could have been presented. Thanks again Minty!
I agree, the Two-Face coin flip made no sense and Jim just made it cringe. Frank Gorshin will always be the GOAT Riddler.
These hack Jim Carrey fans are delusional.
I’m a die hard U2 fan and their song during the credits “Hold me thrill me kiss me kill me” of course is on none of their albums. At one of their concerts in Oakland, Ca U2 was playing with The Sugarcubes and Public Enemy. It was the strangest yet BEST combination! During U2’s first encore all of a sudden I heard the guitar part for “Hold me…” and a huge Bat Signal on the screen. Most bandwagon fans were like “Huh, why are they showing a Batman video”… but I was going freakin insane screaming my head off! Bono came out with a Riddler cane with a big question mark. It was the so awesome!!!!
One of my favorite movies of all time. Number 3 in the franchise history ❤❤❤❤❤
It's sad that Joel Schumacher is gone. I would love to see a Directors Cut of Batman Forever.
Why? You got the director's cut already in the finished version. All those changes Minty mentions are in the original script and weren't shot.
It's coming! Look it up!
This is the best Batman to date and forever . kiss from a rose alone separates it
Really love all these new 'the version you never saw' videos Minty :)
Oh, what could have, and SHOULD have, been.
Also, riddle me this, riddle me that, where did Minty get such a cool hat?
This has always been a favorite of mine!!!
I will forever defend Batman Forever. Even in it's compromised state. We'll never see a a live action superhero film as lavish and fantastical as Batman Forever ever again - a superhero film so wholly in its own outlandish and fantastical world.
You don't need aesthetic "realism" or "groundedness" to tell a good story. And while most of the heavy stuff was cut, there is still a psychological core to Forever that keeps it compelling.
Thank you!
Yeah fr
Yes, I watched this twice in cinema. That time i was poor student
Another great video. I’m glad this wasn’t another re upload. Keep up the good work!
"Batman eeeeeeeh!"
Fascinating. Sounds so much better, Minty. Thank you
Fun Fact:
Dr Burton in *"BATMAN FOREVER"* was played by the late Rene Auberjonois, who was Roy Bagley in the 1976 Para-mount remake of *"KING KONG",* Col. West in *"STAR TREK VI: The Undisco-vered Country"* & Odo in *"STAR TREK: Deep Space Nine".*
Nicole Kidman in this movie is stunning.
I have to give you a lot of credit for your extensive study of movie facts. Because it helps to put a lot of things into perspective. I could see you going far with my alien series, which discusses the universe and why it exists, as it takes a mind like yours to uncover the true nature of why things happen and why they become what they become at the end.
Minty, I love it when you do these alternate versions. Keep it up!
I remember batman forever being huge back in the day, but it really hasn't aged well unlike the first 2.
because it is indicative of 90’s schlock movies.
I still think the second should get more praise then it does, especially how dark the batmen universe has become
That's what Hollywood gets for allowing Jim to rip off Matt Frewer's "Crazy Guy" i.e. "80's Max Headroom" persona back in the the early-mid 90's!!
The first two have plentily of silly moments as well Just in a different way
Yes, everybody craps on it today
Keep on the good work Minty! Love your videos! Can you make "The Fisher King"?
Good Morning Minty, Cool Video As Always, Keep Up The Good Work, You Have A Great Weekend Sir
2:31 - 2:59 Dr Burton (of Arkham asylum) was played by Rene Auberjonois, Odo in Star Trek DS9
Minty, a wonderful job as always. 👍
I honestly believe that the final version did so well for one reason: Jim Carrey was the biggest comedic powerhouse in the world at that time and everyone wanted to see his antics played out in a legendary villian.
You do great work my friend. Keep it up. I couldn't agree more with what you posed as the potential Batman Forever movie. Was fun, but could have been great.
I love this movie just as much as Batman and Batman returns. This whole series is just absolutely amazing
I like that early promo pic of two face. Never seen that before
I love this movie a lot! Always a wonderful Batman story to pop on and not have to think about as much stuff you have to with the Keaton films. I personally see this as the Batman comfort movie. Your alternate version stories are very interesting!
This one jas such great rewatch value
Minty Comedic Arts, your videos on the 'Batman 89' series are amazing!!! Keep up the good work!
Would love to see you cover Transylvania 6 5000, watched it a few days ago and honestly thought "that's the most Minty movie I've ever seen!" 😂
That would be so awesome to see the directors cut or darker version.
This must be my 50th comment over the years saying how much I love your taste in movies Mark! It's identical to mine in every sence. And I was born in 86 (like you) and we've been brought up in the best time for movies. I appreciate every video you do! And this comment is just a reminder of thay!
Instead of thank for saving my life Dick. I own you one. Bruce is all like WHAT THE HELL YOU THINK YOU WERE DOING!?
I really wish we had gotten THIS version, instead.
Great video!
I think it would’ve served the movie better for Carey & Jones to swap places as the villains. Carey would use his manic energy to jump between Two-Face’s personalities, and Jones would’ve been a very menacing Riddler.
Your use of props that are your collection is always great brother.
I think I actually went to see this 9 times in the cinema. I was 10 or 11 years old. Looking back, I suppose it seemed dark and dangerous to me at the time. I also still get chills when I hear those two utterly superb songs, both of which could find a happy home in a Bond film!
I still think it was the best one. The soundtrack was also incredible. Val Kilmer was also interesting.
Minty! I love your videos bro!
Good work!!
In a way Batman Forever was a step closer to comics-accurate than the Burton movies. It introduced the idea that Bruce was head of a company called Wayne Enterprises and the idea that Batman has it as a sacred code not to kill, for starters. But the tone and feel of Batman Forever are just so cringe compared to the Burton movies, which understood the Batman mythos on a more fundamental level even if they got some of the details wrong.
This was the first & only movie I got to see with my late half brother. It holds a special place in my heart for that reasons. He, his sister (through his mom & stepdad), my sister, and myself went & saw it at a now long-gone Carmike Cinemas 12 behind the mall here. He bought us all kid’s packs, and went to a K-Mart to get Batman toys after. Sadly, the theater that replaced it has WORSE seats (dreadfully cheap/uncomfortable), screens are small with holes, and filthy. K-Mart been gone 15 years, Mall is near empty, and all the remnants of the memory exist solely in the past.
You're literally describing the theater I'm my home town 😂 texas?
@@cameronpritchett8300 hell, we only got new ones a few years ago because some kid got tetanus from a seat 😂
Dear Minty, this was a superb and wonderful exploration of the original intended "Batman - Forever". What you revealed sounds to me to be everything which Batman is.
How Batman, Two Face and Riddler are looked into, as characters, would've made for a far more engaging film for the audience. Each of them are living with either an identity they wish they were OR struggling with one they have?
The Jim Morrison reference in the comic, IS OF COURSE, a nod to Val Kilmer playing the Lizard King in the film "The Doors" a few years before.
This leaves me fascinated and hoping you do a similar video for "Batman & Robin"?
Is the original totally different and superior to what we got OR was it even worse?
Or perhaps something we could never imagine?
I think what "Batman Forever", and other films like it, prove is how badly interfere from suits or changes to the script, can take away a version which would've treated the audience with brains and robbed the film being seen completely different?
Great video and thank you for the hard work you do on this and all your videos.
David
Drew Barrymore as Heckendorf/The Riddler's date at the gala!
Two-Face makes The Joker look harmless
I think there's an excellent Batman movie trying to get out. If you take the basic premise and execute it differently, you could have something great. Also, I really like the Robin costume
Nice job Minty :)
Batman Forever is a guilty pleasure. However, compared to Batman & Robin 😖 its a masterpiece
I wish they had used this as the shooting script. It would have matched pretty well with Tim Burton’s Batman and Batman Returns.
Yes! A new minty!
I remember seeing this in theaters when I was about 13. Really enjoyed it at the time
I would have loved this original script version! I always felt like Tommy Lee Jones should have been able to use his talent more than was reflected in this version of Two Face. I really liked this movie when i saw it as a tween, but i really think it would've been fantastic to include all of it! Great job on this video, Minty!
I loved this movie I was like 14 when it came out
This was the first Batman movie I saw in theaters and by myself
Hi thanks for sharing your information about batman
Never seen one of your videos before, but if that is the labyrinth worm on your shelf, you have instantly gained my respect.
Man this is my favorite Batman movie growing up! Val kilmer was the perfect Batman, and both Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones were legendary as Riddler and Two-Face 💯💯💯💯💯💯🦇🦇🦇🦇
Minty, are you a little Sickly my friend? Your voice sounds shot. Great vid as always!!
I liked when in vacation 2015 rusty sings the seal song
I gave that movie a chance and the only funny parts for me were the Chevy Chase scenes. I wish he had been in the whole movie and I wish they had gotten back the original Rusty (Anthony Michael Hall) and Audrey. It was just such a wasted opportunity of a movie.
I hope the Dark Cut gets realest 🖤💙💚🦇🙌
5:14 haha that editing 😆
Batman Forever should have been a complete reboot of the Batman franchise with Val Kilmer as Batman, Robert England as The Riddler,
John Cleese as Alfred Pennyworth,
Kurt Russell as Two Face, Dennis
Quaid as commissioner Gordon & I personally would have cast someone younger as Robin
I always thought Mike Vitar (Bennie "The Jet Rodriguez from The Sandlot) would have made a perfect Dick Grayson/Robin.
I love Robert Englund but Hollywood would have never cast him as the lead villian on a mega budget, A list, star studded picture, that's not the way the business works. Jim Carrey made more money off of Batman Forever than Robert Englund did his entire career, there's a HUGE divide between A list and everything else
Saw it multiple times in the cinema, hit the WB movie world Batman experience
Even got the mcdonalds glassware, best mctoys ever
That connecting to the TV's is just like people being connected to the internet and/or cellphones
Great!
You should do ten things you did not know about Adventurers of Pippy Longstocking 1988
The idea where Batman faced the hallucinations of the Joker, Penguin, and Catwoman was later used for the cancelled Batman Unchained/Triumphants movie as part of the Scarecrow's fear gas.
Riddler looks like Annie Lennox😆😆
This is what you get when the studio wants to focus on selling more toys to kids than actually making a good movie.
I have a suggestion that I'd bet never gets covered. "Unhappily Ever After" is an American sitcom television series that aired for 100 episodes on The WB from January 11, 1995, to May 23, 1999
i would have liked it a lot better if they made Two-Face more like Two-Face and less like the Joker.
When this film came out. This was a very cool film. I liked the art direction, the actors (Val Kilmer though not perfect was a good Batman), the script had issues. However film did seem to have a younger audience in its sights...
Oh, it was a nice day back in 1995, when I went to Birmingham Odeon to see this film!
I own this on 4K UHD now! Still looks good for it's age.
I had seen these deleted scenes from Batman Forever such as Bruce going deeper into the cave finding a giant bat to find himself again straight from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and Arkham Asylum.
Not Gonna lie, batman forever And batman and robin are guilt pleasures of mine since I grow up on them. I didn't mind all the neon light lol
Everytime you say Two-Face I think you are saying Toothpaste! Lol must be that wonderful Aussie accent!
You have to rember that when Batman Returns came out a lot of people called it too dark and wanted to go back to 66. This movie gave them what they wanted and know what they recast and changed and didn't need to call it a reboot. they just slipped it in to canon. As a Kid I couldn't tell what was or wasn't canon. If TMNT came out and then the live action TV series and the Power Rangers crossover and the band I thought all of that was all one canon so any other time a film came out I thought it was all connected. Now adays when we get a new Spiderman we reboot the whole story and go back to the begging. We Could have made all the Spider Man films ONE continuous story if we didn't reboot all the time. We could have even saved the canons for Superman and Green Lantern.
Some of that old scrip reminds me of 66 it would have been fun
many of the old versions work better