STUDIOLOGIC NUMA X PIANO Demo & Review PT1 - Unboxing, introduction & first impressions
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- Demo and review of the STUDIOLOGIC NUMA X PIANO,. Let's see what surprises this interesting stagge piano keyboard has up its sleeve! Part 1 of a series where we will explore the features in-depth.
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For the price looks very good, I'm not entirely convinced with those two joysticks and where they are placed, but again, for the price... btw for those who don't know, Fatar and Studiologic are the same company, Fatar being an OEM manufacturer for other companies and Studiologic being its "private label".
Absolutely love your videos. Thanks for sharing these reviews!
nice of you to say so, thanks! wasn't sure about how this format would go down with the viewers.
Happy to see you back on some hardware shenanigans!
Nice piece of machinery there! Studiologic knows how to make quality stuff.
Wow! Congratulations Woody!
Looks like a very high quality build, thanks
indeed it is, exceptional, i was very pleasantly surprised to discover that.
Hi woody. Can’t wait to watch new home tour. Congrats
Love that you’re returning to do some hardware videos!
I’d love to learn more about how it functions as a master controller of other gear: transmitting program changes, assigning CC controls to the knobs, etc.
oooph, nothing too complicated to dig into then... :)
@@WoodyPianoShack ha, okay. I’m just always curious as it seems that’s something you don’t find in many non-“workstation” keyboards these days.
@JeffPalmer83, I use the Numa X GT primarily as a controller for my Dexibell SX8 (though using sounds from both). I absolutely _love_ the key action on the GT version. As a controller, it is simple but perfectly capable and they did a great job of keeping it simple without sacrificing functionality. The built-in mixer and high-quality effects really expand the possibilities beyond typical controllers.
I have a "Numa Compact 2" model from 4 years now (there is also the 2 x), and I consider it unbeatable in terms of price/sound quality/keyboard quality/versatility/portability!
all right, thanks for the insight!
Me too! It's perfect as a controller, and internal sounds are very usable!
I was saving for the Numa X 73, but just got the Compact 2 instead to get in the stage piano waters. I’ve mainly played lightweighted synths and the Compact 2 key action seems good to start with for me. Good enough sounds and easy to integrate with iOS synths, and it got speakers to. Best 440 € spent! Might upgrade to Numa X Piano later on
I know a guy who gigs one of these professionally and it appears to be a wonderful machine and extremely compact. Tones are really good, brilliant value for money given what you get from the big Japanese manufacturers.
Looks nice.
Be sure to upgrade the firmware to the latest version! They improved many effects and modeling for some of the sounds.
thanks, yeah i seem to have the latest features.
Also check out the additional sounds you can install, like the Foerster. Some of those are really nice! I really love my 73 as my travel keyboard ☺️
really? i did not know about that, thanks!
I'm a bit late "forgot to check my notifications lol"
But that's a nice looking Board you got there Woody😍
I've considered Studiologic boards- in fact before I discovered the Kross, I was 99% sure I was getting one of their boards (the exact model, I forget). I tried it in store and it was fantastic to play, so I have never quite stopped looking in the direction of Studiologic.
different beasts scott, the kross is your typical workstation loaded with all the bread & butter sounds! this more of a stage piano with a good selection of extra sounds to get the job done at the gig.
@@WoodyPianoShack This particular one, yes. The one I was looking at had more variety (though not a workstation by any means). Besides what I am looking for now, and what I was looking for then are very different things.
Beautifull
Is that the Roland KS-12 keyboard stand you have there, may I ask? Must admit never before thought of getting a 73 note instrument but you have made me think do I need the bottom 7 and top 8 notes above and below the E key ?
Nice!
If it was a midi-controller, you were after, you would have been better off with the basic studiologic Sl88 or variants with less keys, which have the same keybed as this numaX.
Or, you could have gotten the Studiologic SL88 GRAND, which has the wooden keys and wooden sides, for a lot less than the numa-X piano.
is there compatibility with Yamaha FC7 pedals?
Congrats on the new shack and new keyboard, Woody. Nice video as always. I have the SL88 as a master controller, which I suspect is basically the same keybed with no sound engine. The case is the same solid metal and very sturdy, especially considering the relatively low price point. Definitely feels premium (and weighs a tonne!) My only complaint (which I've seen others have online) is that over time the keys seem to develop a rattle on release. From a video of someone doing a DIY fix on this it looks like there is a strip of foam used to absorb the vibration that gets compressed over time. Mine's a few years old, so hopefully they have fixed this on newer models! Looking forward to hearing what sounds it can produce.
will keep an eye on that, thanks for the insight.
I had one of those SL88s when I lived in London. Although my keyboard experience is / was limited - definitely could tell the quality of the keyboard keys over my old Korg SP200 (which I still have - now back here in NZ again). I picked up that SL88 was second hand for ~150GBP. Seemed like a steal for how good it felt. Visually it wasn't much though - and definitely concur regarding the weight! Very (very) solid unit. But having tasted the SL88 / Fatar - I feel considerably partial towards getting that keybed tech again. That it appears in Nord keyboards indicates to me that I'm not incorrect in my favourable appraisal of it.
Great idea to make this video. Waiting for more and detail videos on this piano as a midi controller. How the keybed and the rest of the controllers react with soft synths of different genre. Thank you. Regards.
Hi Woody, thanks for the great video. Can I ask what kind of keyboard stand you are using with the Numa X in this video? Thank you!
roland ks, i recently made a video about it. thank you!
Thank you!@@WoodyPianoShack
Totally agree with you about the positioning of the sticks. I have had the 73 key for six months and love the weight, plus, it fits in my old 61-key hard case. I asked Studiologic a couple of questions before I bought it and their support is truly excellent. Would also love a Black Sledge at some point! Anyone know which pianos each of the models are?
i don't but we need to figure that out!
A little fun fact. Fatar produces its own keyboard instruments, witch are usualy sold under the name StudioLogic. So both Fatar and Studiologic are the same company. So offcause it has Fatar keybed.
Woody, thanks for reviewing this instrument. I understand that Fatar is owned by Studiologic, or vice versa. Lol, I can't imagine Fatar being pronounced like Faitar.
This 73-key model is very interesting to me, but the ungraded aspect of the weighted action has some of us pianists worried. Please do tell your impressions of the action when you can, particularly whether the bass end gets boomy using a piano technique as opposed to a keyboard split technique.
My supplier lists this as a stage piano, rather than as a controller, and indeed, I would buy it as a stage piano.
I look forward to part two of this review.
I really like teh SL X. The keybed is nice, I like how the zones work. Only problem for me was the weight lol. Its almost exactly the same as the RD2000 I have, which is better (IMO) in every way perhaps bar the chassis. If it came in 4Kg lighter Id have swapped it - but unfortunately not.
Very interested in your conclusions about this instrument. I'm looking at buying the GT version soon as I wish to replace my old Kurzweil stage piano with something that has real piano action and sound. I wish they made a 73 note GT version, but since I don't intend to lug the piano around much, maybe it does not matter.
spene quite a few hours this weekend playing it, and having a blast, some playing demos in the can... stay tuned, hope I can help with your decision!
Looks great! I wish the wall wart wasn't there; wondering if there would be space inside to fit it in.
73/76 key is the perfect size for me; I wish all top end models (wooden keys) would be available in that size. (I'd definitely love a Kawai VPC1 in 73 key)
yeah, that would have been amazing if they could do the premium action in the 73, agree. yes, the wart is a disappointment as the rest of the build is so nice, you would almost expect the internal psu. maybe the GT has it, i haven't checked.
The external power-supply is often to cut costs related to certification in all regions (e.g. the "CE" mark in Europe), which is expensive, and more difficult with an internal power supply.
The size is indeed unfortunate; most manufacturers currently make you choose between a more portable size and premium keybeds (can't have both 🤷♂️)
Either way; thanks for your video! I really enjoy all of your content! I always appreciate your "no frills", honest, and straight up take on things ❤
@@thaJeztah are other people not interested in more expressive controls? I agree with the keybed quality thing but I also have been admiring the idea of polyphonic after touch, and wondering if that's going to get more popular. It seems to really have good potential for more accurate expression
Dear Woody, dear fellow GT owners, did you test the presets p040 - sunra, p062 - bigband clust1 and p063 - bigband clust2 ? What do you make of it? Some parts have transpose active, some don't, but all are spread over the keyboard. I do not see any scenario, how to use it. Do you? What is the intention of Studiologic behind that?
I got the GT version of this keyboard. I will say is the best key action I have ever tried. I also own the Yamaha cp88 and the Yamaha doesn't even get close to the action of the studiologic numa x piano gt. I do like better the piano quality on the cp88 and the overall control board interface.
Hello friend, I read your comment and I decided to write to you, recently I had the yamaha cp88 and I liked it a lot or action, but I wanted it to use it as a midi controller, connected by usb to my pc with win 10 and play vsts kontakt etc in cubase pro 12. but i couldn't get the keyboard to give me close to 127 playing speed, so i returned it and ordered a studiologic numa x piano gt, i would like to ask you, do you think the numa will work for me as a usb connected midi controller? Will I be able to change the speed and sensitivity curve of the keyboard and will my PC receive the changes well by connecting it only via USB? and my last question, how is the feeling of the keys of the numa gt, in comparison with the yamaha cp88? Are the Numa ones lighter and faster? Please, I would love to know your opinion. thank you so much.
@@electedmusic7685 Well is kinda hard to describe the feel of the Numa. Since there is not other keyboard on the market that gets close to it. I will describe close to a steinway piano. The travel when you press the key is not as deep as the CP88. You can adjust the velocity curve on the GT. You can have up to 4 midi channels played on the GT or you can combined the internal sounds with the midi sounds. I think that is very awesome. You can adjust the volume with the 4 knobs for each designated channel.
@@ispianist the numa is lighter in key than the cp88? I also want it to play vsts of strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion... do you think it would be comfortable? I'm not a professional pianist, you use the cp88 and I didn't find it tiring, is the numa x gt even lighter? And my last question, my friend, do you think I can use it as a midi controller, connecting it only via USB? I am not going to use the sounds of the numa. I just want to connect it via usb and use it as a midi controller, I have a sl studio 88, fatar tp 100 key, but I never liked it, it's very heavy and tiring. I expect the Numa X GT to be much better at that.
@@ispianist I'm sorry, I just don't understand when you say that the numa is not as deep as the cp88. I'm Spanish and I'm using a translator hehe, sorry
@@electedmusic7685 También hablo español jaja. Si mira yo que toco con muchos pianos steinway y pianos de cola yamaha. Es muy parecido la acción. No se si tu has tocado con pianos de cola. Es muy similar la experiencia. Por eso me gusto más el studiologic GT qué el yamaha. Con el yamaha se siente más a teclado con teclas pesadas. El studiologic tiene mecanismo de piano es por eso que pesa mucho. Pero pues de gustos depende de la persona. Cuando digo del peso es del teclado completo. Pesa más que el cp88. Las teclas se sienten mejor. Y cuando presionas la tecla no viaja tanto como el cp88. Siento que el cp88 esta muy profunda la acción. Pero si siento un pco5 más peso en las telcas con el studiologic.
Hi, that orange accent is actual rail for the sheet stand and laptop table which I believe are options but they nicely hook up on that rail. Also to switch between different setting on these knobs you just push them and I think they change collor. BTW - I don't own one ;). Great content - keep up the good work. I think Numa has developed nice piano for different expectations.
thanks, that's an ingenious solution for the accessories! yes, i quickly learned in use that the rotaries are also buttons!
I bought the GT (88 wooden-look weighted keys and gorgeous wooden end cheeks with the logo beautifully carved out). I’m looking forward to the rest of this series 😏
flagship! awesome, congrats
Me too and i am so happy with the keybed, use to have a Kawai mp7se but this Keybed is someting totaly different!
Feels like the real thing so solid and quiet (X-gt)
@@robinbendiksen3960 Right on 👍🏽 I also figured it would make the ultimate weighted master MIDI controller and the built-in mixer with FX rounds out a great package.
X-gt Must have the best keybed out there i think for piano. Have to touch it every day❤
Yes the mixer is perfect, i run my Viscount Solo trought my X-gt and save 2 inputs on my Tascam interface. It workes perfectly!
Did you notice this? If you connect Midi out or USB midi to a receiving other synth/device, use one of the zones for midi, mute this zone, then the Numa X of course sends no notes anymore. But now the weird thing: that zone still sends midi controller data (for example pitch, modulation, sustain etcetera). Mentioned this several to Studio Logic. After a few firmware updates this is still not solved.
huh, that's something i have not got around to trying. maybe another owner can jump in...?
Looks a nice instrument. Looking forward to hearing more about it. I personally have a Kawai ES920 digital piano which sounds great, but is not really a great controller keyboard which I assume the studio logic is more aimed towards. I'm sure you'll let us know in future videos.
How would you compare sounds and action to the es920?
@@rowanlyle I personally really like the action and the sound of the Kawai. I’ve not had one before and can see they know what they’re doing. I have owned Kurzweil, Yamaha and Korg instruments. This Kawai has a real nice piano sound and action. The only thing to give it a run for its money is a VST instrument like Ravenscroft 275 by UVI.
I have a kawai es8 and an Mp7se looking to chop the mp7 looking at es920 myself
In Canada the prices are drastically higher for no obvious reason, I can order from Europe and save over $800 on the GT it’s absurd. Reason I’m thankful you made this video how you did, is it shows me I just need a US kettle lead to power it! Thanks much.
21:38 Is that an issue in the power plug? looks like bended to the left
good eyes! i checked, you're right the socket is not aligned with the hole in the chassis! still solidly connected though, it's not loose and it works.
Thanks for pointing that out. I would consider a component that is off-kilter to that degree to be a defect, even if everything else worked fine. So probably not a design flaw but a quality control issue. If I received an instrument in this condition I’d want and would expect to receive a replacement.
Be careful, when the socket is centered any wiggling is going to be absorbed by the metal square where it is encased. If its out of alignment then the metal legs that connect the socket to the board are going to absob tge wiggling and thus are going to eventually break in a month or 2 of use
Maybe you sample the gurgle noise and play a tune using the Gurgle noise.
That 10-second boot time is objectionable. As a software engineer I once reduced the cold boot time of a Nokia transceiver from 10 seconds down to 30 milliseconds, and that included full power-on self tests. I had to implement new LED behavior to indicate that a reset had occurred, because boot time was imperceptibly fast.
Nowadays many keyboards boot an OS and they have comparable boot times. Objectionable, but that's the way it is. If you have a working solution send it to Studiologic 😀
10 seconds are tolerable. I have a Dexibell S7 from 2017 that needs 41 seconds to boot.
Please try the internal audio mixer in another video…..like connecting up a stereo synth and play both together.
Would like to have seen the Numa Piano X have XLR stereo out.
73 key’s definitely is the optimum portable size (in my opinion)
ok noted!
Numa numa yeah
@WoodyPianoShack , I'm sorry man, but you _really_ missed out not trying out the GT version. The key action is incredibly good and it comes with a full triple-pedal unit. I'm super happy with mine, especially paired with my Dexibell SX8. (Now I just wish Dexibell would release a stage keyboard with the same keybed as the GT! Unfortunately, although they do have that on their higher-end home series pianos, that does not appear to be a plan for the stage line.😕)
Hi Woody. This board does look well built although on another TH-cam channel (can't remember which one) they were unhappy about the black felt shedding and I assume the potential of getting between the keys. Maybe only a minor issue but just wondered if you find the same problem.
not sure what black felt shedding could be, but I'll keep an eye out for any issues...
@@WoodyPianoShack Sorry Woody! The felt at the back of the keys.
Heh, I've always thought of a wall wart as one with the plug on the transformer, and with an external plug I've always called them "line lumps"
yes, that's probably the more correct term come to think of it.
I have the SL88 controller and I really like it. I have to admit that the keys are a bit thumpy (noisey). But, I don't remember it when im playing. Having been a long time Kurzweil user, I'm accustomed to the Fatar keybeds.
hi, yes, I was struck by the thunky sounding action, but I think that is normal and to be expected... haven't got another weighted to compare with.
@@WoodyPianoShack It doesn't turn me off. I'm very happy with mine. I've always loved Fatar's products.
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, one of the things I really like about these is the interface. The OS layout is really user friendly and easy to see.
Hi. I will really love an SL 73 but the Fatar TP 100 L/R is really noisy… I used to have a Nord Electro 4 HP and absolutely hated that… I would really love a 73 controller keyboard with a Kawai action like the Nord Grand or the Stage HA…
@@aefonta It is a bit noisy. But, I don't think about it when Im playing.
Hey Woody, a Studiologic! I'm looking forward to hearing the demo and their modeling software. Does this Numa X have the same keyboard as the Studio and Grand controllers? I have the grand and the action is impeccable. Have fun. Cheers, Cliff.
hi cliff, i think this piano might be an evolution of those actions, you'll have to dig into spec sheets to know for sure.
The keybed in this is most comparable to the Studio. If you want something similar to the Grand, you want the Numa X Piano GT
Hardware all the way.! This is how we got to know you.. :)
i’ve been eyeing this piano for a year now and watched numerous videos but have yet to decide if it is the best solution for me. Great that you’re reviewing it, Woody. Please comment on the quality of the software and the usability as a midi controller for synths in your follow-up videos. Are the keys light enough for someone used to synth keyboards? How good is aftertouch?
i already discovered the AT works really nice, it's not one of the more heavier weighted actions, so you'd probably be ok. it's pretty nice, better generally I think than other DPs and controllers in the same price range.
Most korg keyboards particularly 61 models have very short travel near the back of the keys.... Thereby causing difficulty in playing the keys near their back end
lot of manufacturers save money on this, but let's bring it to everyone's attention, although for beginners, beatmakers, players or C (no disrespect intended) probably wouldn't notice. it's only when playing in keys with lots of sharp/flats you move to the back.
@@WoodyPianoShack yeah... Absolutely.... C scale players would not face any problem with short travel keys.... Another major advantage of short travel keys is that these short travel keys tend to have a behaviour similar to waterfall keybed, thereby facilates organ techniques like rake and smear/ glissandos, which might be difficult to play on a digital piano with hammer action keys and large travels near the back ends of the keys.
Numa X Piano x new Yamaha CK88
Better sounds, better action?
what a interesting question & one which I fully intend to address. ;)
I have a studiologic SL 88 Studio (a midi controller keyboard), I use it to play the piano sounds on my SX900.
However, I am angry because you didn't played atleast a piano sound
coming very soon, can you wait a day...? ;)
I got the Numa X piano 73 and I prefer it over my Yamaha Modx7 for live playing piano, Rhodes, Organ.
Very good keybed and Pianos, the rest also very usable.
The combination with an iPad is userfriendly.
nice to have some real-world insights, thanks!
The keybed of the X 73 that I tried felt nice, but was quite thumpy (noisy) and there was also a slight mechanical clang in the upper register (turned the volume off to confirm this). Could you comment on your experience?
@@stanley5394 I don’t have these problems.
My channelis all about music and tech..hiw i wish i can also experience opportunitues like this being sent a keyboard to try out. I am an aspiring pianist and most covers i do on my channel are using my 61 key korg kross. I have a fee piano pieces that require a full length 88 key but sadly cant afford one. Lol. I have seen the 88 key version of this online and it costs around 60k here in the Philippines ($1,100)
keep pushing on, it will happen to you too eventually, i wish you the best of luck. yes i'm very fortunate to be in this position, but it took years of hard work, money and commitment!
I'm torn between this and the new Yamaha. I'm hoping you compare the two!
coming up!
Owner here: amazing keybed and great action. It weighs a ton (seriously) but if you're looking for feel it's hard to go past at the price point. Downsides: soundbanks, interface, no ability to sample or load your own, locked into the Numa manager (terrible), Studiologic releasing banks like "Movie Strings" - ridiculous. If it had the ability to wipe all the factory banks (keeping the pianos) and the ability to sample and create your own banks THEN it would be a Nord killer hands down. Studiologic have got lost in their own hype as far as sounds go (trust me - Kontakt will far out do the factory banks on this unit) but because it's FATAR well yeah, action is killer.
Also, the FX do NOT apply to the inputs so forget about individual instruments. The master FX do relate however that's very restrictive. Again, this unit sells on its action and feel. If you are on stage then this may be of interest but if you're studio bound then stick to the same action on a MIDI machine. Realistically, a laptop will give you a lot more flexibility and a greater sound palette.
Studiologic boffins: please read! You could wipe the market if you listened to your customers a little more. There is NO reason to limit this unit to a locked and antiquated system of seemingly narrow and unusable soundbanks based on someone at FATAR thinking they know what the musician wants - I mean PlectraXPluck and ClariXPack? C'mon that's just silly. You make great keys no question, but you have absolutely no idea what is needed sonically (ironically UVI is featured on the website but it's ignored as far as versatility goes). Just take a leaf from the Roland or Nord book and you will be on your way.
So 🤔 …CK 88 or Numa ?
You can afford to run a dishwasher during peak hours? You can afford a dishwasher?
someone told me they were more economical than hand wash that uses a lot of hot water...? anyway, it came with the house and i'm lazy / too busy making unboxing vids... :)
What the hell!!!??? DO YOU THINK we might have wanted to hear the friggin thing?
i knew a few of you would be mad! but don't worry just wait for the next video in the series! i hadn't heard it either when I made PT1... :)
I got one, returned it, didn't like the tones of the build quality. Got a Casio px-s6000 instead, much happier with that
" tones of the build quality", you mean or? i've been playing it for a while and it has its own character, which I quite like. re build, well surely better than the casios which are great pianos but all plastic?
@@WoodyPianoShack I found it to be tank like, and the tones so bad that people commented on it. Re build quality, I had one dodgy key that wouldn't fire at the escapement point. I spoke to Gianni at StudioLogic, he gave me some word salad to say that was ok. Which means I simply had to return it. Very disappointed at him to not own up to an obvious defect
The Casio ps-s6000/7000 is VERY nice. Slim, great tones. You should check them out.
th-cam.com/video/5zCNtCTQh3/w-d-xo.html
Stu@Merriam also did some very nice reviews of them
Studiologic is owned by Fatar….
ok, got it, thanks!
"The wife's table" mate you've just dropped a caveman statement. Studiologic is Fatar, it's the same company. Fatar make keybeds and studiologic is the name of the keyboards they make
thanks for putting me straight
With all due respect, this could have been a 10 to 15-minute video of useful material with the rest cut out...
oh, yeah, most of my videos could be cut much shorter! but let's just hang out for a while!
WHY OH WHY NO PROPER MOD WHEEL!!!! its USELESS as a controller with those useless joysticks.... geeez, thats the reason i never EVER bought an studiologic controller.
the joysticks are small, and i notice it#s tricky to do precise movements. i like like the sticks, but bigger would be better!
@@WoodyPianoShack nah, i dont get why they have to reinvent the wheel (see what i did there ?), i work with string libraries and for me a proper mod wheel and aftertouch are a must. Even the classic keyboards that introduced the joystick concept like the D50 or the wavestation STILL had a modwheel or similar.
Pity it took so long to make this keyboard available. I gave up after 12+ months. Thankfully I got a 100% refund on my order.