WE TRIED THE ADVANCE PARIS A12 (is it the mcintosh amp killer) - Vlog 45

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  • @OldGuyHifi
    @OldGuyHifi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Lenny, I am lusting after that Advance-Paris. Especially after your report, Randy's review and hearing them at AXPONA. Glad you made it home safe.

  • @rodrigostubing
    @rodrigostubing 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Today my new A12 arrived at my house, it is a gem

  • @kevinkraska3612
    @kevinkraska3612 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Let us know how it sounds with the Lintons.

    • @EastSide_Motel
      @EastSide_Motel 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Would love to know as well

  • @davethomas7088
    @davethomas7088 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the way this advance Paris amp looks. What king of power does it produce, Fortes are pretty sweet too.

  • @redstarwraith
    @redstarwraith 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am so waiting for your take on those Wharfdale Dovedales!

  • @PGRPGRPG
    @PGRPGRPG 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Being French, I’ve been among the very first Advance Paris Tube amplifier early adoptersi n 2006… Just resold IT a couple of Months ago and still working like a charm!
    Soundwise, Advance shouldn’t be compared with Macintosh… Powerfull but lack of details , bold mediums , projected voices…
    I’ve listen to the more recent models and we still get this « coloration ».
    However, and despite a pure Chinese build, incredible bang for the Buck !

  • @AllboroLCD
    @AllboroLCD 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Someone was def doing their homework on this piece of gear, im a huuuge sucker for shiny glowy things with dancing meters! Need to test this thing on the big Polk SDA's!

  • @joeythedime1838
    @joeythedime1838 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wish they would bring the silver faced units to the US. The image in the Australian HI-FI review is beautiful. Any thoughts on how this might pair with Polk LiSM-707's?

  • @MrBonger88
    @MrBonger88 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the looks of the Yamaha below the most. The Paris is a little to busy or colourful but that’s just my taste, obviously 😊

  • @davidchingching167
    @davidchingching167 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Something I consider most important is simply is this product reliable? I've had a few annoying moments with equipment that is not cheap but cheaply made and has failed. I only look at equipment now with a proven track record and an excellent warranty.

  • @madcrabber1113
    @madcrabber1113 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are the warranty detail differences between them?

  • @Dirtyharry70585
    @Dirtyharry70585 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can’t wait for the phase video, hope you have some Bob Carver content.

    • @ThatGuyWithTheBeard
      @ThatGuyWithTheBeard  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We fit a few fun stuff in but have to save some for the carver video as well haha

  • @MasterofPlay7
    @MasterofPlay7 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how dose it sound?

  • @mikecampbell5856
    @mikecampbell5856 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There were people commenting on some previous videos that thought you had left Just Audio. I thought no way in hell, Lenny loves what he's doing.

  • @bdisaac1
    @bdisaac1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are the knobs on the Advance plastic?

    • @TINGSTARR
      @TINGSTARR หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not plastic. Fit and finish throughout is amazing.

  • @aaronblacker6507
    @aaronblacker6507 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Anyone compared the A12 to a Anthem STR Integrated?

  • @philipketchum1407
    @philipketchum1407 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Awesome integrated amp for sure but it’s not a McIntosh. Resell one in a couple years and you will understand a McIntosh. Even better, own one for 40 years. That’s the McIntosh value.

    • @net_news
      @net_news 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      absolutely true!! But if you care more about sound than return of investment, AP could be a great option.

    • @philipketchum1407
      @philipketchum1407 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@net_news but the A-12 doesn’t necessarily sound better. I was only talking about the value comment.

    • @net_news
      @net_news 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@philipketchum1407 not better but equal and much much cheaper.

    • @Audiomainia2310
      @Audiomainia2310 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      An investment is a house, or bonds - why anyone in this hobby would buy strictly on resale value befuddles me.
      Should we not strive for the best value and performance for a great price?
      Only pieces I see increasing in value are vintage gear from the mid - late 70's. And one could see why - the build quality from them from Sansui, Pioneer, even vintage Lafayette ( 9090 ) is far superior to anything built since then.

    • @net_news
      @net_news หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Audiomainia2310 b/c you enjoy the gear in the meantime and you can sell it when you need the money without losing too much.
      I don't like McIntosh at all soundwise but their resale value is amazing, you can use them for years and sell the equipment for almost the same price as you bought it.

  • @JohnScheppler
    @JohnScheppler 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Advanced Paris is a beautiful amplifier with a similar look of the McIntosh but without the McIntosh premium price. McIntosh is a nostalgic brand, so the question is, someday, is Advanced Paris going to be a nostalgic brand in the future?

    • @ThatGuyWithTheBeard
      @ThatGuyWithTheBeard  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I like where you are taking this!

    • @Audiomainia2310
      @Audiomainia2310 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's an excellent question, but I bought my A-10 not only for what I refer to as " loss of diminishing returns" meaning the Mac was in my opinion way overpriced, but I purchased strictly on the quality I was able to obtain at a price that does not have me question " why did you spend three times the money for? ".

    • @TINGSTARR
      @TINGSTARR 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Forte 11:06. I’m thinking Cornwall IV with the A12. What do you think?

    • @Audiomainia2310
      @Audiomainia2310 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TINGSTARR your Cornwall's will sing - and if they could, thank you

  • @user-td1lo9eo2p
    @user-td1lo9eo2p หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have the A12 classic and it’s powering my source point 10’s it absolutely slams nothing comes close

  • @chrislj2890
    @chrislj2890 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't think I'd have that Advance Paris on top of the Yamaha A-S3200 like that if you are going to run the Yamaha. I have mine in an enclosed glass cabinet and I have two USB fans on top of it since it can get a bit toasty under certain circumstances. Just sayn'.

  • @TINGSTARR
    @TINGSTARR หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    10:52 forte time stamp

  • @Dass-Charles
    @Dass-Charles 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice .

  • @burton7023
    @burton7023 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So what does it sound like

  • @joecartwright9221
    @joecartwright9221 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do the new Parasound mono amps SOUND???

    • @ThatGuyWithTheBeard
      @ThatGuyWithTheBeard  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well you will see them in the video tomorrow… kinda… but we also have another video on them soon!

  • @koblongata
    @koblongata 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Advanced Paris website is painfully slow though, can't even load the main page after 5 minutes

  • @Audiomainia2310
    @Audiomainia2310 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A10 is $2499.00 / and the company was Acoustic Concepts before rebranding. Been around for 25 years.

    • @Adi-hj3nd
      @Adi-hj3nd หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Advance Acoustic it was

    • @Audiomainia2310
      @Audiomainia2310 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Adi-hj3nd thanks for the correction.

  • @alvarocoutinho3103
    @alvarocoutinho3103 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Advance Paris, formerly named Advance Acoustics, has always being a great brand! In a way I’m sad they are going on looking like Mc. They don’t need that! Their sound/quality by their price?!? Unbeatable! 👏🏻👏🏻

    • @MrBonger88
      @MrBonger88 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agree about the look

    • @Guitaural.
      @Guitaural. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrBonger88 Yep - complete ripoff. Are they Chinese-made also?

  • @dtracy03ss
    @dtracy03ss 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Soon big guy, don't know 10 or 12 yet!!!
    Will be Calling!!! Brother
    By the way your site says 2 watts per Channel instead of 190 I think!!

  • @3dimensionsofmusic3D
    @3dimensionsofmusic3D 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dagnabbit I already have McIntosh. Now I'm so bummed....psyche 😊

    • @Guitaural.
      @Guitaural. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You need to trade that in immediately for something people slapped together to _look_ like your Mac...it _"kills"_ your McIntosh... ; )

  • @BoRerunn
    @BoRerunn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    BTW, if you order it from Germany it's 1K less than state side 😂

  • @ilianstoimenov6619
    @ilianstoimenov6619 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the rare occasions we have something a lot cheaper in Europe 🙂

  • @rogerlopez1109
    @rogerlopez1109 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Am I the only one who thinks this amp looks like a white van special😂

  • @mikes121
    @mikes121 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That "little" Luxman weighs about 80 lbs.

  • @mwcarde
    @mwcarde 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    From their website "With 25 years of experience in its national market, Advance Paris began under the name Advance Acoustic in 1995 with a range of five speakers developed in France. After expanding its range of speakers, Advance Acoustic began working on electronic products in 2002, launching its first integrated amplifier in 2004."

  • @robertnoto6925
    @robertnoto6925 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Store Link ?

    • @ThatGuyWithTheBeard
      @ThatGuyWithTheBeard  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      shopjustaudio.com/products/advance-paris-a12-classic-integrated-amplifier

  • @wronghandshooter
    @wronghandshooter 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Advance Paris is a good looking amp, but a Mac is a Mac is a Mac. Been around forever and one of the few products that will increase in value over the years. Dare I say NEVER, but I will NEVER part with my Mac. Oh, the little Luxman is awesome looking. Would like to hear it with a pair of really high efficiency speakers like Zu Audio Dirty Weekends.

  • @harrybaque5502
    @harrybaque5502 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not digging the look of the AP but sound is what matters to me.

    • @ThatGuyWithTheBeard
      @ThatGuyWithTheBeard  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I throughly enjoyed it especially on the fortes

    • @harrybaque5502
      @harrybaque5502 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ThatGuyWithTheBeard The Luxman on the other hand… schwing!

    • @ChicagoRob2
      @ChicagoRob2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@harrybaque5502 Partial to the sound and appearance of the A-S3200.

  • @bkoestring
    @bkoestring 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We want to see under the hood. Take the top off of the A12 and show the inside!

  • @Teaelation
    @Teaelation หลายเดือนก่อน

    So…. According to your website the A12 has 2 watts per channel? Might want to proof read your postings

    • @Audiomainia2310
      @Audiomainia2310 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A12 has dual torrodial transformers for each channel - 190 WPC x 2 RMS.

  • @roomfulofblues3173
    @roomfulofblues3173 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Still have no idea how it sounds😩

  • @WoodyONeal
    @WoodyONeal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Open the cabinets, and then compare. This is not a comparison.

  • @Yiannis2112
    @Yiannis2112 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They started in 1995.

  • @warrensparkes1223
    @warrensparkes1223 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    if I put fancy wheels on a Honda Civic it doesn't make it a Porsche..........Mcintosh......there is no substitute!!!

    • @net_news
      @net_news 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      McIntosh is a Civic with fancy wheels. 😂

    • @warrensparkes1223
      @warrensparkes1223 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      LOL

    • @kennethsmith7301
      @kennethsmith7301 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Honda civic is more reliable than a Porsche.

  • @drprogensteinphp3169
    @drprogensteinphp3169 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Really bad video. I thought this would be about the Advance Paris A12 as the title suggests, but instead you spend as much or more time talking about the Luxman amp, various speakers, and other components. I got halfway through and ditched. Next time try to stay on point, or check your ADHD.

    • @waltkosch
      @waltkosch 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Same. Unsubscribing. Seems every video is like this. Stay laser focused on the topic. I don't care about grills you don't understand. Or you referring to needles as "Sticks"

  • @tbirdsteve1
    @tbirdsteve1 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A nonsensical, noncommital waste of viewing time.

    • @Lovelacewatkins139
      @Lovelacewatkins139 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah , they forgot to review it

    • @ThatGuyWithTheBeard
      @ThatGuyWithTheBeard  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’ll take nonsensical, that’s a fun sounding word!

    • @Yiannis2112
      @Yiannis2112 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Lovelacewatkins139 But then again they never do reviews. They're just fooling around.

  • @monster7363
    @monster7363 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s not hard to find an amp that beats Mcintosh.

    • @net_news
      @net_news 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this

  • @fransscheyving3671
    @fransscheyving3671 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    McIntosh is reliable, Advance Paris is not.😊
    Styling is too flashy for my taste and resale value is disppointing,

    • @AnkoMark
      @AnkoMark 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Advance Paris is around for some 25 years. Just shows you know nothing about audio. And resale value? Why would I resale a perfect amp like this? I bet you own an Apple phone.😄😆

    • @fransscheyving3671
      @fransscheyving3671 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@AnkoMark Hi Mark,
      you are wrong, no Apple here, just Windows (since the early eighties) and Android.
      I do have some experience in hifi, sales and service, including McIntosh, Advance Acoustic (now Advance Paris), Accuphase, Krell, Acoustic Audio Research, NAD, Quad, Revox, Cambridge Audio, Denon, Onkyo and many more, also many vacuum tube gear...
      Highest reliability is Accuphase by far, then McIntosh, Krell, and in mainstream hifi Denon and especially Onkyo.
      Mediocre reliability is NAD, Cambridge Audio and Advance Paris.
      Their return rate is way higher than normal.
      About the styling of Advance Paris, in my view it is too posh and looks cheap after a while.
      At first sight, very nicely made, nice components, but China is all over.
      Weak points are the speaker protection relays, developing bad contacts after a couple of years.
      Trust me, I now what I am talking about.

    • @Error2username
      @Error2username 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@fransscheyving3671somehow, when i hear/see ppl i dont know, say - trust me i know what im talking about, i have a tendency to just fade out and forget you and whatever you were speaking about.

  • @Guitaural.
    @Guitaural. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I _hate_ when newer companies rip off the look of a great established company like McIntosh. Build your _own_ look and following. I wouldn't buy an Advance Paris for that reason, even if they were the most amazing thing on the planet...

    • @Spicycomment1
      @Spicycomment1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Stupid comment

    • @septembersurprise5178
      @septembersurprise5178 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    • @ThatGuyWithTheBeard
      @ThatGuyWithTheBeard  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’ll take any and all comments especially when people disagree

    • @septembersurprise5178
      @septembersurprise5178 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ThatGuyWithTheBeard "Why do we respect the opinions of any man or any microbe that ever lived? I swear [I] don't know. Why do I respect my own? Well--that is different."
      - Mark Twain

    • @Guitaural.
      @Guitaural. หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ThatGuyWithTheBeard Ha! It's hard work building a brand, especially a great one, and torques me when a company swoops in and rides coattails. 😁

  • @druboudreaux3673
    @druboudreaux3673 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    And the Chrysler 300 was the Rolls Royce killer, right?
    Certainly nobody is going to mistake it for a McIntosh, and it will only remind you every time you look at it, that you really really wish it was a Mcintosh.
    I get it, the video title is click bait, and I’m sure its a fine amp, but this was a completely pointless video. “It’s got tubes and meters! You could hook it to speakers, or maybe hook it to some other speakers. You can see your reflection after you hook it to these speakers”. Let’s not take time to compare it to other amps in its price range, or compare it to the Luxman amp that would directly compete against the amp that it unapologetically rips off in order to gain relevance. Nope let’s waste 15 minutes, state the obvious about its aesthetics, and end it with a generic take like “you could make a good system with this less that a McIntosh”. Well, fucking thanks, Lenny. None of us would have been able to come to that conclusion without your expertise. What a hot take from just audio.
    Y’all can do better.

  • @user-fo9cr1yl8q
    @user-fo9cr1yl8q 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I put my Carver C-4000 up against anything