Little Guys 4, Pt 2: More DVI Nonsense
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00:00 Intro
00:00 Correction #1: Plugs
01:04 Correction #2: Coinstars outside UK
01:42 DVI audio test
04:45 Correction #3: Wrong thermal compound
09:46 Thermal wax on, thermal wax off
10:09 Disk tray
11:24 The heatsink comes off
14:58 Unpopulated sata connectors
15:47 Testing with new compound
16:43 One more tangent about paste
18:12 Correction #4: Ferrules and aglets
18:37 No two Phoenixes are the same
19:19 Correction #5: Optocouplers
20:22 The IODD
21:12 A Hero Falls
21:47 A Hero is Rebooted
23:23 Gravis dumps an entire container of usb keys on the bench
23:39 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
![Little Guys: Episode 4 [Premio / Coinstar]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KjD2uFC9LOI/mqdefault.jpg)
Missed opportunity not calling the supplemental videos "Little Guy-den"
OH MY GOD HOW DID I MISS THAT
Oh my gosh that would have been perfect!
@@CathodeRayDude you could change it now and only the early people would know
@@Bobis32 Agreed
ig its retcon time
Gotta admire someone who admits mistakes and or lack of knowledge in everything. The true mark of intelligence is knowing you do not know it all
I have to... I can't resist... I know it's overused, but I have to...
_“The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.”_
― Albert Einstein
It is never too late to learn and and update. I love it.
"Cuz I've finally come to terms
With how much I know, versus how much I don't, versus how much I know I can bullshit."
"you're only as smart as how quickly you feel stupid"
"I recommend you do not do what I'm doing" I'll be sure to remember that the next time I am fiddling around with a coinstar computer. An extremely common occurrence
"send me a picture of whatever you got" risky request 🤣
I had no idea DVI could transmit audio, I had always assumed it was a video-only connector
The DVI specification has no provision for audio. However HDMI 1.x uses the very same TMDS signaling and is backwards compatible. They simply output HDMI-style data over the DVI connector.
It's very hacky and not really supposed to work. Requires the video card to be funky and send audio over certain pins unused in digital mode and for the adapter to be aware of this
HDMI is basically DVI on a different connector, plus some extra features. An HDMI-to-DVI adaptor is entirely passive. DisplayPort-to-DVI needs a converter chip.
It actually sends them during the horizontal blanking interval, in what HDMI calls "audio islands". The lines would otherwise be inactive during that time. Tons of DVI interfaces support this, even w/o being true HDMI sinks/sources.
@@KJfourIPS That's pretty clever. The horizontal sync rate is comparable to audio sampling rates.
I'll be honest, I only know about The aglet of a shoelace because of Phineas and Ferb. If I remember correctly they did an episode about how Phineas and Ferb wanted to make the public aware of the aglet and what it was called. And hey, it worked. I watched that episode as a kid and I've never forgotten what it was called.
I know it from Terraria
@@renakunisaki same here
Edit: cave music goes WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
1:38, even Murphy's law says "the best way to get the right answer is not by asking a question, but by posting the wrong answer"
Explaining what a coinstar was, was actually really nice and helped me feel included, I actually stopped the video and commented to thank you.
Thanks for explaining things to us poor ol Australians, with our flipped seasons and metric units 😊
I live in mainland Europe and we don't have coinstar machines. Coffee vending machines have bankcard slots on them and, everybody uses that. I never have cash on me. So yeah, stopped me guessing for a half hour.
Same here, I've never seen one in Germany. There are debates here to get rid of any coin lower than 1 EUR. At this rate of inflation, it's probably not a bad idea.
Same in Eastern Europe. I felt gaslit at first because of how Gravis nonchalantly mentioned it lmao. When we have lots of coins we usually dump them in self-checkouts or I've also seen people do it with banks, but that is not that convenient.
@@kyoudaiken they exist, but are very rare. i've only seen one so far (at a rewe inside munich) and i've been to germany a handful times.
@@mdkmen Interesting. Usually, you have to go to a bank over here. But I'm in West-Germany. Believe it or not, just like in the US, German states can be entirely different.
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@@johnsimon8457& Knuckles
@@Toonrick12 CRD SP2
Yes I like this it's like "Extra History Lies" episodes
CRD Plus! Could be the name of this follow-ups! 👍
I appreciate the 'that's what she said'.
Little guys is going to last a long time. I can not wait to see what you have upcoming!
@@gluttonousmaximus9048 Do you mean a fluid dispensing machine?
@@kameljoe21 I Think he meant those micro laptops like GPD Micro PC. Thought, fluid dispensing machine sounds like something Technology Connections could do.
@@araarathisyomama787 Ah, I see... I have seen some videos from Technology Connections. Not subbed yet have watched several of their videos.
To anybody wondering *how* DVI and HDMI can send audio when there aren't even audio pins in the pinout - they send it during the horizontal and vertical blanking intervals. This has the slightly amusing side-effect that some of the fancier new audio codecs do not work in sub-1080p modes because the video doesn't have enough leftover bitrate... It's bound to the same pixel clock as the video signal
The sublte "that's what she said" did not pass my ears unheard
Even I knew what the aglet was. Thanks Phineas and Ferb.
JLU is the superior reason to know them
On the conductivity of Arctic Silver 5: Doing some deep memory-dredging, I think Arctic Silver 1, 2, 3 were conductive, and then 4 and 5 were not. AS3 was contemporary with the Athlon and Athlon XP chips with the exposed jumper traces on the package for setting frequency/multiplier/voltage/spooky unknown stuff, and caused all sorts of chaos when people smeared it all over those.
I vaguely remember the war between AS3 and Cermique. Seems like a world ago
Re: the iodd: I remember doing a similar thing with my rooted Android phone back in the day! There was an app I could use to make my phone pretend to be an optical drive, and it was so incredibly useful
It's sad though, that Android got dumbed down so much, that stuff like this isn't possible anymore. I hate Android since Marshmallow...
The early days of android and rooting phones was awesome
I still use that on my phone today! The app is called DriveDroid. It depends a little on the phone you have and what software it's running what the capabilities are, on some it can only emulate a CD-ROM drive, on some only flash drives, and some can do both.
Yeah I agree. Personally I started hating anything past Android 4.0. I feel that everything is becoming dumbed down and the enshittification of everything has really been ramping up. Like TH-cam is alost unusable right now.
@@kyoudaikenaccessing the terminal shell felt so cyberpunk, especially on a phone with a slide out hardware keyboard.
I am from Argentina, and I never ever heard of coinstar machines, so it was very helpful your explanation. Thank you.
Same
Thank you for using the IODD. It works better than the multi boot disks.....and it can hold the state of presenting the iso as a drive over boots. Very cool. Thanks!
Such a convenient little device
In a similar vein as the iodd device... Ventoy is fantastic for making any flashdrive into a flashdrive that can boot various isos. Can also still retain nirmal flashdrive functionality.
Ventoy is great. It's what I have been using. I did run into an issue with it trying to load Windows XP, but otherwise, it has been working great
@@tabbertmj Same here! Also using it. And since I am not handling computers too old, its compatibility is more than enough for me.
Yeah I don't work on enough computers anymore to justify having a "mass compilation" of isos. If I did I'd totally buy one, but ventoy is plenty good enough
I think Ventoy can also work when written onto a USB-HDD, but haven't tried it yet. The obvious limitation is that you cannot change disk images once it's passed the Ventoy boot menu.
same, Ventoy is fantastic
little info on the DVI audio: some PC monitors supported it natively, usually monitors that had speakers, but no HDMI back in the day
my first Widescreen PC monitor was one of those screens, a Fujitsu siemens monitor from 2006
but doing it over a HDMI adapter is the easy way
I honestly wonder how many would do it with no problem... *assuming* they had audio output. I've recently bought several small TVs in addition to the one in this video just because they have built in speakers, which I rarely see on computer monitors. But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a *lot* of things that have both speakers and DVI support it.
@@CathodeRayDude Haven't watched the video yet, but at work I have a newish monitor connected to DVI on the computer I use, and speakers connected the the line out on the monitor. I get sound through that. I'm not using an HDMI to DVI adapter, straight DVI from the motherboard. You might ask yourself -where is that large automobile?- "Why don't you use the line out on your computer instead of this weird mess of connections?" and to that I say... there used to be a reason, but I forgot why.
@@CathodeRayDude
FYI, some GPU's don't have a built in audio interface, but still support audio over DVI/HDMI
For example, the GTX 265 needs a cable to the SPDIF connector on the motherboard to send audio from its DVI-I port(s? I don't know it would send the same audio to two displays)
Heh, then there's my monitor here that has DVI, HDMI and VGA, and a headphone jack to output the HDMI audio, but it WON'T accept DVI audio, cause it won't! It just doesn't want it.
I have and HP w2408h monitor (2008) that has HDMI with speakers and the audio and HDCP worked over DVI on the 7950 GT I ran.
I still like DVI, it seems to be versatile and pretty compatible.
That IODD device was so cool I literally bought one after watching your latest video, definitely one of the coolest things out there especially if you're installing all sorts of operating systems
Yeah it's incredibly cool. I would buy one but I don't have a need for one anymore.
Hey, just FYI, the pads are perfectly fine if compressed. Too thick of a pad is usually not big of a deal as long as you can squish it down, however, too thin is a possibility.
My dream IODD is one that's the size of a normal Pendrive, since I'd love to be able to keep one on my Keychain or lanyard. The NVME ones are just a bit too big for me to carry around literally all the time, so that's why I still use Ventoy.
Completely agreed, I wish so bad that these were a common product category! Honestly this is a niche that *badly* deserves an open source hardware solution.
@@CathodeRayDudeA Raspberry Pi Zero (or any other small device that can run Linux and has a USB port that can run in "gadget" mode) would be a worthwhile contender; so long as it also has a means of connecting fast bulk storage to it.
funny thing about the coinstar thing. when you scroll down on their homepage all the different international branches are linked
Dude, I enjoy your videos so much... Is it bad when I get bummed the video is "only" 25 or so minutes long? And you're just trying to fix a few things it looks like.... This is why I keep coming back! Your videos are great and then you still fix stuff afterwards that is really refreshing. 😁 Keep doing what you do! 😊🌎❤️🕺🏻🐶🖥️
I love the off the cuff style. Its got the same kind of feel as a Big Clive video, and that's no bad thing.
I enjoyed this follow up, and this style suited it. More CRD content is always a great thing. I hope you never run out of little guys.
If you have someone named Brenda as a friend, you have to call them Frienda from now on /j
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I built my own opto coupled USB serial cables for my victron solar gear. Super useful little guys!
We used common silicone paste when reairing office-type PCs and I am using it today. Cons: it is some 4C hotter at stress testing. Pros: it never-ever goes completely dry. Office computers we dealt were mainly on the floor, moved and kicked by feet all the time. CPU cooler shifts a tiny bit when that happens. That nice, expensive thermal paste goes dry and literally cracks, breaks thermal bond between CPU and cooler and PC "dies". Common white silicone thermal paste remains "gooey" and CPU stays thermally bonded to the cooler. Saved us a lot of driving just to change the thermal paste.
Yeah the basic stuff is perfectly fine for computers that aren't running right at the cusp of thermal throttling. Since most office machines are "overcooled" you just need working paste and you are golden. Anything else is a waste of money.
No. You have to make sure all those computers are delidded and using liquid metal in custom loop water cooling, anything less is offensive and will cause word to thermal throttle your CPU.
That HDMI port is wasted unless you do the obvious and make this into the most impractical HTPC ever used.
I actually have a PC in my bedroom which also doubles as my home theater room. It's an AMD Ryzen 5700G passively cooled on an ASRock B550M-ITX/ac in an Akasa Maxwell case which also doubles as a passive radiator CPU cooler. Really like this thing. It runs Manjaro Linux. Got it connected via HDMI to a 43 inch 4K display. Much better than """Smart""" TVs.
@@kyoudaiken Why would you run manjarno Linux though?
@@nilswegner2881 Because I like it an want to. I never get these people who are like "Why do you put Nutella on your bread, why don't you put peanut butter on it instead?" DUH, because I want to put Nutella on it...
@@kyoudaiken there is absolutely no way one can actually like manjarno.
@@nilswegner2881 Nobody has asked for your opinion.
Love anything you post man! Seriously! ❤
I've seen exactly one coinstar-type machine here. I can see why some european folks would be confused, especially if they don't recall the brand name even if they know the machine.
In europe we have similar machines, but they are usually located at larger bank offices.
We have them in supermarkets in the UK, not super common though
I for one was really happy with the coinstar explanation. We don’t have those in Australia, so I was literally about to google it myself mid video when you went into that section.
I'm honestly amazed you got sound out of the DVI port 😮 All my life I was convinced that adapting DVI to HDMI does not get you any audio 😮
It’s crucial that the output from the computer is HDMI signalling, like it is from the CPU iGPU here, for the adapter situation to work. If you tried it from an older GPU with “real” DVI (and no audio connection, physically or in software) you definitely won’t get audio.
K5-PRO is perfect for situations like this. you will never need to worry about pad thickness again.
Calling it thermal mayo
Until you need to service it again, which is a nightmare
@@probablyanadult7354 Closer to peanut butter than mayo
It can be a nightmare to clean up if you ever need to remove it, especially if you end up getting it on your clothes like I did 😂
but it does work really well.
Would you need to replace it in an embedded system?
Arctic Silver is not directly conductive (despite containing conductive particles, owing to the oil suspension turning the thing into a paste) but can have some capacitive coupling effects so still should be kept away from active circuitry. Just don't make a massive mess when applying it and you'll be fine, this is no liquid metal we're talking about here.
Can confirm that a regular old thermal pad of approximately the right thickness is perfectly fine for replacing "gap filling" thermal compounds/pastes/waxes/whatever they put on those things stock. Performance will generally be in the same ballpark, and they're a lot less messy.
When I was building my current PC, I had it half built, using the onboard DVI output while my video card arrived. I stuck a DVI to HDMI cable and fed it to my secondary monitor with audio output and was freaked out by the startup music.
And that is how I learned DVI can also carry audio and the HDMI cable will convert it.
Depends on the GPU. The newer ones can pass HDMI through DVI if you use a HDMI cable. The cable does nothing but carry the data. The audio data is AFAIK as pixel data in the blanking area of the HDMI signal, which for some bizarre reason still exists. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
@@kyoudaikenI also find it baffling that the majority of display signaling standards that we use today are little more than VGA (a protocol that is now 37 years old) dressed up in a trenchcoat. Why do we even _need_ to send a full frame of video when displaying a mostly static image; especially since all modern display devices, by necessity, have their own internal framebuffer anyway?
@@BrendonGreenNZL It would be really cool if we just would update rectangles on the screen just in time when it's ready. But I think there are a lot of issues with that to be solved first. Also it would be nearly impossible to determine a refresh rate limit because it heavily depends how many pixels on the screen are actually being refreshed. Also this new tech would break compatibility with EVERY existing screen and graphics card if not implemented as an optional feature. But I'm sure VESA is working on something like this already for years. VRR like G-Sync and FreeSync or VESA VRR is the next best thing right now.
I think the thing with things is we don't generally call them by the brand name. Usually would refer to it as like 'the coin machine' rather than a coinstar
I once measured the gap in that type of situation by putting a small ball of blue tack in some cling wrap and installed the heatsink with that in the gap. Pulled it back apart and used calipers to measure the height of the smashed blue tack.
What the hey?? I had NO IDEA that you could shove audio out a DVI port, and if you adapted it to HDMI, the audio would tag along too. I always assumed that the DVI port was video only, and that THAT is the reason why HDMI ports on PCs are now a thing. Well you know what they say about people who assume... I suppose i had that coming. Welp. Ya' learn something new every day.
DVI was quite capable, but a lot of stuff never took advantage of what DVI could do.
DVI and HDMI are electrically the same signal* so you can use a completely passive adapter to "convert" it both ways.
(the only electrical difference is that HDMI is suppose the be more tolerable to lower signal levels for use with longer cables)
4 minutes in and I've learnt something, I genuinely didn't know DVI supported audio!
I am glad you explained them. I never heard of them and if that wasnt mentioned I would probably be like wtf and not watch the previous video
I have a hypothesis regarding the hole in the drive tray. When manufacturing a part like that, it was almost certainly stamped out in one motion from sheet stock. During the stamping procedure it would be easy to add a punch to cut out a hole.
I believe the hole is mostly a way to reduce costs via scrap. The more drops you have during stamping, the faster the scrap bin fills up, the more money you get from selling the bin. Perhaps they also did it for airflow or heat benefits, maybe not. Or perhaps (but I think far less likely) is they did it for weight reduction reasons.
I definitely had never heard of these coinstar machines here in Brazil, so the explanation was welcomed.
Nice update. Thermal pads are what is used in the very power hungry Steam Deck. They’re blue. :)
Thermal Putty is good for gaps as well, and might be better at conducting heat.
over the past couple weeks, this series has led me to impulse buy both a st400 and multiple sets of crimp connectors (and proper crimping tools), and particularly for the connectors, immediately made me regret not having done so about a decade ago
You have no idea how much I love these lil guys. And just googling stuff mid video. Like I need this
I'm pretty sure there are monitors with DVI-I connectors that can accept VGA signals. You can use one of those DVI to VGA adapters on the other end. Or I might be totally making that memory up.
I thought the whole point of the DVI-A specification was less just about VGA backwards compatibility, but that it had more bandwidth than stock VGA connectors/cables. Afaik, the max specified resolution at 60Hz is a bit higher.
Like I think later high resolution CRTs just used DVI-I for input, but I swear I remember some being analog only (no digital to analog circuitry), but used the DVI standard to allow for either high resolution at 60Hz or lower resolutions at much higher resolutions.
My dad used baby diaper ointment as his thermal paste "because it has zinc" and it's run faithfully for years. Supporting your theory that any thermal solution is 95% of the way,.
That disk emulator is neat. But, at least in my personal experience, Ventoy is all you need. It's a tool that does a very similar thing. You format a flash drive with it. It creats two partitions on it. One is an ESP, the other is empty. You just dump iso images on the second one and it shows you a boot menu with all of them on boot.
The disk emulator is still useful for older machines that do not support booting to USB but agreed, I use Ventoy everyday at work. All my ISOs on one USB drive, so handy.
@@AdamKeyz yeah, for his usecase it's invaluable. But for an average Joe, not so much.
Also the same with my USB drive as with yours. Only not for work, but fun and a bit of family tech support. Thankfully my relatives mostly are quite literate and solve 99% of the problems themselves, leaving to me the actually interesting ones. E.g. corrupted drives or bootloaders, weird software installation and diagnosis, etc.
I had no idea that DVI could do audio when adapted to HDMI.... WHAAAAAAA?!
I am absolutely flabbergasted. I thought HDMI won because DVI couldn’t do audio. I had no idea DVI did audio
What a pleasant video. As an added bonus it's genuinely very pleasant (as a horrendous perfectionist) to see fixes and fudges. Lightens the soul to see that it's normal to have some little hiccups along the way
I'm happy you explained coinstar as we do have that kind of machine but they're not called coinstar ^^
DVI is HDMI without licencing fees*
Almost
Also why most sff machines have display port
I consider this part 2 a definitive win-win, thanks !
So glad your back and posting pretty regularly! I look forward to it in my week!!!!!!
I get so happy when one of these drops. Little guys! Love em!
Loving the new format!
This is the closure I needed
I loved this. Please make more, it's not a fail, it's entertainment for us!
about 3:04 - some HP monitors definitely do that, my LP2065 has analog pins on its dual DVI inputs and it works if you feed it a VGA signal over an adapter
The biggest revelation of this is DVI can carry audio at all.
That and the thermal wax. That's a really interesting solution.
It's a nice feature! HDMI basically took DVI signalling and wiring and extended it, (and explicit requires a base profile overlapping with DVI), so a lot of GPUs just consider them the same thing, and if a HDMI sink is at the other side it just sends the full HDMI protocol instead. It's very nice for my little XP HTPC which has a GPU with DVI!
@@seshpenguinDVI was never meant to carry audio though, it's a weird nonstandard extension to avoid paying license fees to the HDMI consortium. Lots of things with HDMI ports are actually running this hacked DVI mode.
I used to have a graphics card that had DVI but no HDMI, and a monitor with the opposite, and I do remember being surprised that it was able to send audio, as I'd assumed that was the meaningful difference between the two.
Reading about it, audio isn't an official part of the DVI standard, but since a subset of each standard is electrically compatible, DVI is capable of carrying the signal.
@@Nukle0n Yup, but since each end technically supports HDMI anyway (the GPU die and display), the DVI connector is basically just the physical transport sending HDMI TMDS signalling.
I'm really enjoying the " little guys " series. Thank you for making it.
No, pads gets thinner, I'd consider 1.0mm "medium" thickness and probably the most commonly used in the common range (IE 0.5mm-2mm). Now, 0.5mm thermal pads definitely are thin, but there's also various sheets that I'd classify as "ultra-thin" - the 0.25mm and 0.2mm sheets are sometimes used as replacement for regular paste in environment where they're worried about long-term reliability or the "pump-out" effect (some GPUs use them due to this). You want some compression so 1mm sounded correct and the temperatures sounds sane especially since you're torturing in ways it's definitely not intended for.
AFAIK the standard term for the compound used originally is thermal putty or sometimes viscous thermal paste, it's available at all major electrical stores and Amazon, AliExpress and so on. It's used on the VRM in most modern consoles for example and in a lot of industrial equipment so sourcing it is easy. Thermal pads have similar heat transfer properties so you can usually swap to that though the putty does allow heat transfer from around the dies which the pads won't (not variable enough) but that's usually a very small effect. The main reason thermal putty is used a lot is because it's the easiest to apply by machine, something squirted a blob over the two dies and the rest just is just physics in action. And it works when there's big difference in z-height which no other solution does.
I really loved the whole wire ferrule discussion in the previous video! I bought some and a crimper and used it on a pinball machine I was repairing last weekend to great success!
An aglet is a metal or plastic piece at the end of a shoelace or cord with a closed tip.
A ferrule is a metal or plastic piece at the end of a shoelace, cord, or wire with an open tip! Basically super cheap shoelaces probably have plastic shrink wrap ferrules instead of actual aglets.
5.5x2.5 is the dsub of barrel jacks
Love the little fox sticker on the monitor! 🦊🦊
Lots of fun in this video! I like the format.
glad to see you make good use of the IODD. I have an older one, IODD2541. I think i got the floppy feature to work once. The device works primarily based on file extensions. .vhd shows up as fixed disks, .rmd shows up as removable drives, .iso obviously for optical drives.
I worked as a photocopier repair field tech and firmware updates were very regular. Many older models did not like sharing firmwares with other models (or even other versions) on the same disk. With 20+ models we maintained, my IODD really saved my sanity. I custom made .vhd files as small as possible for each firmware file, but these copiers didn’t want “hard drives” they only recognized removable drives. Renaming to .rmd was the solution.
Just FYI, DOMs are essentially just the guts of a standard 2.5" SSD. That's how I upgraded a Wyse 5060, by taking a Samsung 860 evo and shelling.
Oh, damn forgot entirely about those standoffs indeed, I just saw a ton of space and then "Yeah chuck a HDD there". Sounds like they would then just either throw one of those bare SSDs that you see in extra cheap laptops, sometimes with a plastic (open) adapter that fits it into a 2.5" drive, or maybe a CFast drive.
oh yeah and i wasn't specifically hanging you out to dry or anything lol, a few people made the observation and I certainly hadn't considered it; I didn't think about the standoffs until I flipped it over while shooting this video, I was gonna say it seemed likely to me lmao
I enjoy both formats. Polished and off the cuff.
Glad to see the iodd and other tools you use in vids, always something handy I had no idea about! I've been getting by with ventoy but it's still complete pain with some systems.
Arctic Silver TP-3 are my current go-to thermal pads for brushless ESC power FETs, they are a sheet of stiff modeling clay like materiel that permanently deforms so they cannot be reused like a silicone pad but they have better heat transfer. Thermalright Odyssey pads are very similar. With these you don't have to worry so much about pad thickness just make sure it's thicker than the gap and it will deform to fit and the excess squeezes out from between the components without placing stress on them. Once assembled if you disassemble it takes some force to separate them again because they're basically suctioned together which is why they aren't reusable.
Regarding the dvd emulation drives:
- I think Zalman was the 1st (I think they bought a company that started this) with VE-200 (USB2), I got the VE-300 (USB3) about 10 years ago.
- Then isostick was made, which used microSD and you had to select using a text file (the card was always accesible, but a HW switch could make it read-only). It uses a slow SoC which only allows about 12MB/s, but I took the form-factor against the 2.5" Zalmans.
- During the pandemic I discovered Iodd, but they already had a newer model than yours, the Iod Mini, which uses (actually comes with) a 2242 M.2 (sata) drive (I have the 256GB, but I can change it any time).
Now, I rarely use this functionality, as I mostly boot linux ISOs and made several small+fast sticks (like Samsung Fit 128GB) with a grub menu, without extracting anything from the ISOs (just copy the iso and make a boot menu). I can also boot WinPE, but I did not "update" and WinPE8.1 is my latest. That's how rare I boot Windows recovery.
The iodd is really neat! Sort of like a ventoy disk with an external screen.
This was a great idea. I enjoyed this video more than the first. I wouldn't have cared about this video unless I watched the first. I like the humility and desire to be correct. We are all trying to see cool computer stuff on the internet and to be correct about it. Bravo.
The last time I had a laptop with a significant gap between the chipset and the heatsink, I used IC Diamond thermal compound for it. It's rather thick, so it can fill gaps. But that thermal pad is definitely a less messy solution, and less likely to scratch the die.
I'm from Norfolk in the UK and i've never seen or heard of coinstar machines. Maybe they exist in other counties or in London because as i say, I've never seen or heard of them before
There are 0.5mm thermal pads, typically used on graphics cards. They are harder to find if memory serves, but I believe they exist. It's just finding a supplier that sells direct to consumer or one that resells it after buying wholesale.
I saw some little guys at a thrift store like 8 years ago, but I didn't buy them when I saw them. I went back the next day and they were gone.
@17:43 I work with Epyc CPUs regularly in a DC. I'll let you guy in on a little insider knowledge. The TIM we use is not fancy stuff from recognized brands. I'm pretty sure it's just whatever is cheapest to buy in bulk 1 gram syringes. They run just fine with the cheap stuff.
I do like this kind of scrappy video type. Good stuff!
Bottom of extruded unmachined heatsink is not allowed to contact large dies and multi die packages directly, because the extrusion process results in bowing.
Some pads are softer and more compressible than others. For the most part they achieve best thermal transmission compressed to 3/4th of their relaxed thickness. You can even order extra soft flowy pads which comply to anything. There is also thermal putty, K5Pro, with a dubious reputation, and its clones like U6, with even more dubious reputation.
Bet the material they used is much higher conductivity and more deep cycle durable than a random no-spec pad, but good enough is good enough.
Next thinner grades below 1mm are 0.5mm pad and 0.1mm thermal adhesive.
In other builds, the heatsink could be different and may not require standoffs below the CPU, with heatsink being attached from the bottom by screws instead.
1:40 you did ask the internet indeed, as _[wikipedia] Cunningham's Law states "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."_ :D well done 👍 love your videos, clarity of mind and real technical expertise, keep up the great content, its funny informative and such a gem among all the other stuff on the webs ;)
He mentioned my comment on camera! 😊 I can die happy now.
I'm never sure if it's rude to put the comments *on* the screen lmao
I know self-deprecating is the norm of humor, but one can always see upsides in nearly all things; a positive thinking change is that you've been corrected, and now have wisdom to share among a large audience.
Hi, just want to say that there is an alternative option to your Iodd device, at least partially.
It's an open source tool called Ventoy. You flash it onto a USB drive and when you boot from the drive, you get a menu where you can select any ISO files stored on the drive's main partition. So you can have any number ISOs on the drive at once and boot whichever you need, and you can also continue using the drive as a normal storage device to move files around and stuff.
Reduced the number of USB drives that I carry around from a dozen or so to one, which is neat.
I like your corrections videos more than the originals.
Keep in mind that hard drive trays would be universal over a large number of devices. This one could have a hole drilled out for another layout which could have something hot or something in said area.
It could also be some sort of manufacturing process or something stupid. It could also be a carry over from something stupid.
there is a non zero chance that the hole is just there for them to stack and align drive bays in the factory nicely lol.
@@killingtimeitself That could be it too. Unless a person can track down who manufactures these things or someone in the industry we will likely not know the reason.
Manufacturing processes can be quite stupid. I recall something I read where a part had a massive amount of the portion stamped cut out because it saved 50% of the weight to ship the product.
@@kameljoe21 i would suspect that this is probably a generic drive sled, used in other products, where it blocks a screw or something, so they just ended up putting a hole in it, and as per usual, it's cheaper to just buy more than it is to run a whole new design.
@@killingtimeitself Yeah universal design, an older one at that. Some of the drive sleds from the early days could be heavy metal or lighter metal with a lot stamped out. I gutted many back in the day for fun!
Arctic Silver 5 is weird: it doesn't conduct electricity and is reasonable in thermals, *but* when you leave it for long in hot environment it will dry out and start conducting. Used some in an old stage amp for power transistors. There were mica pads between, so I added Arctic SIlver 5 on both sides. After a few *years* the amplifier perished with pretty nice special effects (ended its life with applause). Postmortem showed a crater where the paste dried out. So yes, this "non-conductivity" is relative term, probably on a CPU wouldn't be as catastrophic. Lesson learned, I use regular old white thermal paste for power transistors since.
I killed a CPU with far too much AS5 once. Think it was an i5 2500k. I think i read that AS5 is somewhat capacitive.
@@M4rk-_- Like Bil Herd said about polysilicon layer on chips: it has resistive capacitance 😸
In the last video, I was going to make a couple of these same comments but decided not to. I'm so happy you decided to address these, you have no idea.
Please keep the videos coming, this is one of my favorite series on YT.
Side note, if you're at all interested in more mini PCs, I probably have a pallet worth of these weird little dudes hanging around - happy to part with a few to get more content!
Oh jeez yeah, anything you have, if you could send me pictures I can see what I can work with! My email is cathoderaydude at gmail.
wow this wasn't released to only patrons first?
nah, i have a lot going on right now and it would screw up my whole release schedule
You get things like thin clients and industrial PCs as cheap as you can so that you can mess around with them. And make them DO things that you find out they can do. For instance, I have an HP t620 thin client ( Dual core AMD at 1.65 ghz. and 4 GB RAM and 128GB SATA M.2 ) that I use as an audio capture and playback device running Linux Mint. The audio is very clean and extremely low noise, perfect for making cassette tapes from, waaaay better fidelity than even VHS HiFi. The back panel audio jacks are line level in and out and the front panel jacks are for headphone and microphone. Very handy.
for anyone who thinks about getting an IODD just to replace the pile of USB-Sticks
while I don't think you can use it with windows installation ISO's, a great solution for Linux ISO's is "Ventoy", which essentially gives you a live-os from which you can select other ISO's placed in the other partition of the ventoy stick
that way you would only need one decent sized stick for all your Linux needs and a couple small one's for Windows
I still think the IODD is a great thing for having things centralized or when you would specifically need the simulation aspect
Great video as always CRD!