I usually don't comment on videos, but thank you for sharing your insights. It is refreshing to see someone not talking about grinder brands that are not affordable to most people out there. I put order for the DF54. Cheers from Canada 🍁
As someone who is new to electric grinders, this looks like what I need. The Breville is a great price but probably a bit more complex than what I need. I don’t care so much about the grind time as much as I care about the single dose setup. There’s one setting so I can concentrate on the most appropriate grind for the machine. I think I will pair it with the Breville dual boiler unit.
Hello from Singapore. After watching your videos, I took the plunge and bought the EC685 (my very 1st espresso machine) and the DF54. I am a noob and your videos helped a great in my by espresso journey. I am an Americano guy and will use 16g fresh coffee beans with 16.5 setting as well. Yes, I bought all the stuff you recommended in your EC685 Ultimate video. I have a Kingrinder K4 and I am using it on the Outin Nano but its a challenge getting the right setting for it. Iy's either under or over extracting. lol. Thanks again, Tom!!
It's my first comment on youtube since years. You Sir are doing such a great job! Great content, helpful tips, easy to process, quality editing. I have a Delonghi Dedica for years - used it default... Now I will push it to the limits :D
Today's date Aug 9. Just bought the Delonghi ECP 3420 . Soppose to get it Mon the 12th. Niw looking for a grinder and I think I will go with this. The DF54. Thanks for the review and useing the 3420 with it .
Another small thanks for this great community. I posted a comment regarding hand-grinders. As a result of the dialog, I successfully cancelled an order made yesterday. Instead, I went with the Kingrinder 6 that had an awesome coupon and as a user mentioned, was featured here. Thank you again!.
The DF54 is a no-brainer! I currently have an early gen1 DF64. One could currently buy 2 DF54’s for less than the price I paid for my DF64. Life is great!.
I like your channel Tom. I love that you just whip out a 200-300 dollar delongi machine to do this test. LOL You're the man bro. Very relaxing and honest review from a guy who clearly has apathy for us poor folks. lol
Hi Tom Can you compare it with Kingrinder K2 in terms of grinding, regardless of price and convenience? I have a K2 and was wondering if I get anything if I buy the DF54 other than the electric motor?
I said it on another video, but this is the grinder that I didn't know I was waiting for. There is nothing "wrong" with my ESP but I think I'd like the adjustability and workflow on this better. Plus, the ESP can stick around for decaf. Thank you for the video, as always! Looking forward to the next one.
I love my DF64 gen 2. Had it for a few months now. I wanted low retention. Single dose. And something that would do espresso and filter. And not to much static. Thus the DF64 G2 was my choice. This however would looks like a smaller version of that. Given the price i wil recommend this to friends over the heavier price of the bigger version.
me too.. i can’t wait. this will be my first electric grinder so i’m a little giddy. watched all the review i can get my hands into since i’m indecisive but i jumped the gun
Interesting video thanks. On the Italian design thing we had a Rocket Giotto it looked pretty but in the two and a half years we had it. It went through 2 elements and then leaked and took out the controller. Now we have a Breville Oracle it is 5 years old and the steam boiler just died and it makes hands down better shots than the Giotto ever did. So we are going to be another Oracle a certified referb for $950 AU
I am excited at this option! Thank you for sharing. We have the SK40: I was excited to get a stepless grinder that was affordable. Control was really good for grind size. The only disappointment is that I thought the flavor is a bit muddled. We use mostly light to medium roast single origin and want the unique flavors to come through. I know flat burrs are more recommended for this, but we couldn't afford 500 for one. In your opinion, does this 54 mil flat burr improve flavor enough to notice from the SK40? Can you do a comparison of the two, seeing as they are priced in the same ballpark? Thank you!
Well, this also has espresso focused burrs inside. So, I am guessing neither will be tuned for pour over. Maybe someone else has more input on this? I don't do a ton of pour over...
That’s a good idea, I never bother running 2 different beans in parallel because I don’t like to lose the setting, this could be a little brother to my DF83!
@@HenryPiffpaff It’s been great. I would definitely recommend it for a cost efficient option that looks really good. Takes a little time to dial in but performs like a champ. No regrets at all with this purchase.
Great review on the DF54! It does seem like a most excellent budget option and if I didn't already own a (1st gen DF64), I'd buy this. Qn: Does it have an easily removable chute for cleaning?
What is the advantage of getting the DF54 over D40+? I'm on the fence trying to compare your comment on tasting notes. The tasting notes for D40+ sounded more interesting while for DF54 it was just 'balanced'.
I like the stability of the build and the grind adjustment better on the DF54, and the deionizer. For a taste test, I'd have to try comparing them side by side. You know, beans make quite the difference, and the amount of time the machine has been warmed up. That can also influence perception in taste. Cheers!
The df54 is a 'gamechanger'. That said, I just ordered a manual grinder for $90. It is not the money. A manual grinder allows me to spend more time making a shot.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner TIMEMORE Chestnut C3 MAX PRO. If you think it is a bad choice, I can quick-cancel. BTW, I went to a local espresso stand. Told them I wanted a really good shot so I could "benchmark" my home product. I was served luke warm crap like what I might dump out of my drip-tray. FACT about American coffee: almost nobody drinks 'shots'. They are mixed into shot-based drinks. Coffee at Starbucks was good in the 1990's but over half the customers thought it was too strong so... they watered it down. Here in USA, we quickly become used to pure CRAP because that is what the majority of people WANT.
@@RakanWD More things to fidget with makes a better "hobby activity". Besides, I have to boil water to heat the cup and portafilter, so I have a couple minutes to (quietly) grind.
@@SunriseLAW For me, I’d say consider 1Zepresso K MAX, a fantastic grinder. Easy espresso grinding and takes ~35 seconds to complete. I know nothing about Timemore.
It's kinda annoying that it has to be restated with each one of these DF grinders but this does not cost 220 quid in Europe. It's AT LEAST 320 after shipping and taxes. Probably more. EDIT: just checked. It's 325 in Germany.
You are right about that. I should’ve checked first and included that in the video. I did do a write up of it on my website, in the last section: tomscoffeecorner.com/df54-review/
Great video, thanks Tom. How does this compare to the D40+ that you reviewed recently please? I'm unsure about the difference between conical and flat burr grinders.
Yes, am wondering too. I have the D40+. Am really happy with it. Quiet, fluffy grounds, very low retention and grinds so fine. So am really curious how it fares in comparison with the flat burr DF54.
@@andyrawlins from some reviews I read. Also miicoffee has a video about it titled How to align fd54 burrs. I believe it could have been a handful of units or a production batch which may have somehow missed the QC and could be sent back to be fixed.
Oh nice Tom.. I still think you need to take the show on the road! Starnberg is a lovely place to start! We have a lake, and definitely in need of some great espresso instruction 😅
Really wish that was available a couple of years ago. I started out with a Mignon Facile for about $150 more, then spent another $100 on a bellows hopper and an updated dial system. Works out ok but really have to work the bellows to get all the retention out and still holds on to about .2g you can see switch from light to dark roast. I've added the new DF64 gen II and it's great so would expect this to perform similarly.
Great and detailed review as usual, please allow me to ask if i could fit my 51mm portafilter on the cup's place,so that ican have the coffee grinding straight in my portafilter(sorry, English not my mother language)
hey tom, can you make a video talking about the differences of cold start and hot start. the pros and cons.. there’s really not a whole lot of videos talking about it here
In the low cost category you didn't mention the Baratza Encore ESP. So I think everybody assumes the DF 54 would do a better job making espresso grinds because that's all it can do. Please do a head to head comparison if you can. With all of these grinder reviews and there have been tons in the last two or three months I don't see the encore ESP much but when I do the reviewers seem to think it's the all to end all so anyway I'd like to see how the ESP stacks up
Well, they're quite different. Conical vs Flat. Hoppered vs single dose. I like the ESP for it's workflow, and DF54 for its quality. But they're both quite capable.
Surely a bargain with decent price performance ratio; but I opted for a 65 mm grinder (sold in Germany as EMIL T64, or BG T64 in Asia), which costs "only" about 429 € for comparison: faster and broader applicable grinder size (but for nearly double the costs..)
@@benjaminaguilera8097 not really - its better in my eyes -I prefer it much in comparison because of better design, construction (no plasma fuzz necessary) and functionality (magnetic chute, nicer grinding adjustment), better price
For the money it looks like a good option - but only if single dosing for espresso is you thing. The Opus and Baratzza encore esp offer a better use case for more general use maybe but this is certainly gonna be a success I reckon
Servus Tom, Thank you for the awesome review! I’ve also read your blogpost about this machine and in the end you state that “for that [price in Germany] you could get a Eureka Mignon Manuale, Classico, or nearly a Specialita”, which makes it sound like those could be the better deal. The DF54 currently is 330€, the Eureka Mignon Zero costs about the same here. Which one would you recommend getting? For my use case I highly value low retention and build quality. Or would it make more sense to spend a bit more and go for the DF64 Gen2 (490€), EMIL T64 (450€), or Eureka Single Dose (560€)? Any advice is appreciated. Thank you!
Awesome videos Tom! I am torn between this one and the Specialita. What would you suggest? I could actually get the Specialita for around 100euros more. I could still SD the specialita. But the build/quality etc seems to be better on the Specialita. Just the small dial could be a challenge. What do you recommend between the 2 for a first timer and just drinking espresso? Thanks.
Idk. They are both pretty excellent. I think I would go for the Eureka for potential resale value, if you ever sell it. But honestly, they’re both very good.
it will be very popular no doubt. in asia there is a 60mm flat titanium burr single dose with bellows grinder for about the price of df54. "Coffee Grinder 520N"
Great video, this one and the others about affordable grinders, love your channel. Do you have a suggestion how to buy this from Europe, Serbia and not to spend 400 EUR with shipping taxes?
I have been going back and forth on decision for grinder and had just landed on the Turin SK40. Would this be a big upgrade since it has a larger flat burr? I mostly espresso but like to switch it up to a French press sometimes. Is this worth the wait and is it that much better than the sk40?
Some people like flat over conical, or vice versa. I like this better than the SK40, just because the grinder is physically much more stout in its build.
Hello Tom, I have a Gaggia classic pro paired with a Sage Smart grinder and looking for a grinder upgrade to flat burr, I am between the DF54 and the eureka mignon zero, can you make a suggestion?
Well, I haven't tried the Zero yet, but I bet they'll be similar. Similar burr geometry, same burr size, very low retention. But the Eureka has the heritage and spare parts availability. I'd probably get the DF to save some cash, honestly.
Often wandered what the impact is of the screws within the burrs. The burr cutting edges and geometry are so carefully engineered but yet they then have great holes, edges and screw heads where the screws are. Is this just a shortcut/cost saving compared to putting the screws somewhere else? Or does it really not matter to the resulting grinds?
They need the holes to mount the burrs to their carriers. There are however some grinders with ghost burrs, which are mounted differently. But that's also more expensive...
@@zammie01 I’ve got a J-MAX. My electric grinder is a 12 year old Breville 450XL, which I think is a re-badged Wilfa Svart. The former is very good. The latter competent. I’m curious to try a higher clarity grinder. Is that a Varia with the latest Hypernova Ultra burr, or the DF54 with MAYBE the possibility of future burr upgrades…
@@coreycannon4511 J-Max is good. Personally I would think having one of each burr type is a bigger benefit. Looks like you have time to research some more :)
Well, at a selling price of $229 USD, it's not exactly what some people would define as "affordable." Under $100 would be more in line with that definition. But for those who are willing to spend the money, it appears to be an excellent product. Cheers.
The build looks similar to the other DF series. Since you mentioned a DF83, I own a DF83v2. I have consistentcy issues with it. Meaning, light-medium roast, I find I have to adjust the grind size on back to back shots by a significant amount. After about 6 grind sessions I can go from 8 down to 4. I’m wondering if the DF54 behaves similarly? I never figured out the problem with the DF83 but am guessing it might be heat related. This looks like a neat grinder and I might be tempted if I did not own the Baratza Vario W+, which I find great for batch brewing.
The setting really shouldn't be walking like that. I'd contact the seller and see if you can get a replacement, or if maybe he can point you in the right direction to fix that walking...
How does it compare to e.g. a Eureka Manuale which is around the same price point? I get they are designed differently with the DF being single dose, but how does the result in the cup compare?
I am guessing very, very similar. The burr design looks nearly identical to be honest. I mean, I’ve never tried the Manuale, but this would be my best guess.
#DF54 I'm the exact person you mentioned at the beginning, Tom. I just bought an ECP 3630 and I can't get a fine enough grind with my Baratza Encore. The shots come out way too fast. I might get this one. Seems to be the bet value for the money and even for more money than it costs. Have a great weekend. Tom and thanks for the videos.
Encore was not really intended for espresso, but Encore ESP is solid all-rounder for the price. This one is probably better, but the price including postage and import taxes will be close to DF64. Now, for me, DF64 is a bit too big. I am still deciding between this one and DF64V, but DF64V is expensive and there's a problem with static. Nothing is perfect... One more disadvantage, at the moment, there are only stock burrs, and nobody knows if there will be some third party burrs available. Tough decision...
@@tulenik71 I have the same thoughts here! I find Df64 too big. Df64v is more sleek but I have seen the demo unit at work and I can't accept the static problem lol. Back then Df54 was not on sale in my area so I landed with sd40+. Loving it. But... am very tempted to get Df54 since it's a smaller version of Df64 and have been wondering how it will fare in comparison with sd40+.
I think this will completely kill the baratza encore and similarly priced grinders, if this was around when I started out I would most likely have bought it over the niche which was a huge stretch on my budget at the time
It'll kill it in America, but not Europe. For the EU and other countries that charge import fees, you have to consider that on top. Check out the end of the write up I did here: tomscoffeecorner.com/df54-review/
Hello, how does it compare to the older df64 gen 1? Because here in my country they are priced the same. If you have a recommendation on the issue i thank you.
Hi Tom it seems that im still on the fence weather to get df54 or varia VS3, all i can say is in my country the DF54 is cheaper compared to varia vs3, im a little bit worried about the retention on df54 based on the post i read in reddit. Varia got almost zero retention but its a conical burr grinder. I only drink latte twice a day using picopresso setup. tired of hand grinding thats why im looking for an electric grinder.
#DF54 I'm definitely interested. Been looking to upgrade my grinder. I don't have an espresso machine yet, kinda torn between getting a Flair or a similarly priced machine. I wonder if the Flair 58 is better than a machine priced around the same or not though.
hi tom! i’m looking for a grinder to pair with my gaggia classic pro, im currently looking at either this one or the sk40. any thoughts perhaps? or maybe any other grinders you’d recommend in the same price point? any response would be great!! love from the philippines🇵🇭
Wouldnt the notte be more comparable to this machine just for the price range? How does it fare against the notte. Here in europe specialita is around 100€ more than df54
Anything you import into Germany from outside the EU will have taxes. 1) Einfuhrumsatzsteuer, 19% (this is the main tax) 2) Verbrauchssteuer (coffee, alchohol, etc.) 3) Zollsatz (depending on the product, another tax maybe added) 4) DHL or FedEx may also add an administrative fee, for preparing and remitting these taxes for you. Will likely be the same in most European Countries. www.zoll.de/DE/Privatpersonen/Postsendungen-Internetbestellungen/Abgabenrechner-Zoll-und-Post/abgabenrechner-zoll-und-post_node.html
@@TomsCoffeeCorner So it should be around 50€ for tax. Minimum, so that is already closer to 300€ for the grinder. Is there anything else in that price range considering that then.
I own an opus just because it has that anti static feature over eureka mignon manuale that time. But now I would buy DF54. Opus is kinda hard to dial in tho, but once u got it right its nice.
@@MrGedgeman Just gotta save up in afraid. I know it’s more expensive than the blade grinders or cheap grinders you can find at the electronics store, but this is a whole different beast.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Woot. That would be awesome. Keeping the wife and kids asleep is important when making espresso in the am. I have the Kitchenaid Model: KCG8433ER and it runs around 70-76db? Not bad if you ask me.
The images in the video show the screw holes in the df54 burrs are pushed out more towards the outer edge compared to the eureka's, so it's very unlikely the Specialita burrs would fit... The screw holes look a lot like where the ditting 54mm steel, mahlkonig 54mm ceramic and mahlkonig X54 steel burrs have them, seems they have a better chance of fitting...
In the USA they almost always state prices without VAT even for private consumers, in the EU there is a law to state prices with VAT, therefore, when you talk about prices, the prices seem to be mostly lower in the USA as consumers are also used to stating the prices without VAT, while in the EU we say the prices with VAT. Remember that you pay VAT on both the machine and the shipping!
hey coffee lovers i need your help i want to buy my first grinder ,but i need to choose between knigrinder k6 and 1zpresso x pro-s which one is better for filter coffee
That sucks. 😢 it was available at 255€ and now no offer available but for 320€. I'm not able to buy it now, but it will bothers me to pay it overpriced.
@TomsCoffeeCorner It's way cheaper than most grinders, and it can grind fine enough for turkish as well. I don't know if I should get it or do more research 🤕
It’s really come down to the burr you’re using and less about the actual grinder. The grinder does matter for functionality but in terms of what you end up in your cup it’s all the burr.
I usually don't comment on videos, but thank you for sharing your insights. It is refreshing to see someone not talking about grinder brands that are not affordable to most people out there. I put order for the DF54.
Cheers from Canada 🍁
Awesome, thanks for the feedback, and I think you'll quite like this grinder. Cheers!
And how do you like it??
So, what's your opinion on it? :)
As someone who is new to electric grinders, this looks like what I need. The Breville is a great price but probably a bit more complex than what I need. I don’t care so much about the grind time as much as I care about the single dose setup. There’s one setting so I can concentrate on the most appropriate grind for the machine. I think I will pair it with the Breville dual boiler unit.
Hello from Singapore. After watching your videos, I took the plunge and bought the EC685 (my very 1st espresso machine) and the DF54. I am a noob and your videos helped a great in my by espresso journey. I am an Americano guy and will use 16g fresh coffee beans with 16.5 setting as well. Yes, I bought all the stuff you recommended in your EC685 Ultimate video.
I have a Kingrinder K4 and I am using it on the Outin Nano but its a challenge getting the right setting for it. Iy's either under or over extracting. lol. Thanks again, Tom!!
Thanks for the feedback, and have fun experimenting!
Your channel is so underrated and the content you're creating is unique. Keep it up we love it!
That's so kind of you to say, thank you!
It's my first comment on youtube since years. You Sir are doing such a great job! Great content, helpful tips, easy to process, quality editing. I have a Delonghi Dedica for years - used it default... Now I will push it to the limits :D
Thanks so much for the kind feedback! Now enjoy your Dedica. :) Tom
Today's date Aug 9. Just bought the Delonghi ECP 3420 . Soppose to get it Mon the 12th. Niw looking for a grinder and I think I will go with this. The DF54. Thanks for the review and useing the 3420 with it .
Another small thanks for this great community. I posted a comment regarding hand-grinders. As a result of the dialog, I successfully cancelled an order made yesterday. Instead, I went with the Kingrinder 6 that had an awesome coupon and as a user mentioned, was featured here. Thank you again!.
Thanks for your support!
I am really thinking about getting one!!! Great video Tom, love your channel ☕️👍🏽😎 hello from Florida ☕️
I bought Dedica after watching your channel. I've paired with Smart Grinder Pro. Today, I preordered DF54 after watching this video!
Great to hear! Have fun with your setup!
So, what's your opinion on it? :)
The DF54 is a no-brainer! I currently have an early gen1 DF64. One could currently buy 2 DF54’s for less than the price I paid for my DF64. Life is great!.
I like your channel Tom. I love that you just whip out a 200-300 dollar delongi machine to do this test. LOL You're the man bro. Very relaxing and honest review from a guy who clearly has apathy for us poor folks. lol
Thanks very much for the kind comment, and your feedback. 👍🏻
It's probably the best value for money grinder
Hi Tom
Can you compare it with Kingrinder K2 in terms of grinding, regardless of price and convenience? I have a K2 and was wondering if I get anything if I buy the DF54 other than the electric motor?
I said it on another video, but this is the grinder that I didn't know I was waiting for. There is nothing "wrong" with my ESP but I think I'd like the adjustability and workflow on this better. Plus, the ESP can stick around for decaf.
Thank you for the video, as always! Looking forward to the next one.
For repeated, every day use, I honestly prefer a hoppered version myself. But the quality on this is certainly better than the ESP.
I get that but I don't much care for hopper dosing with the ESP. If it was something with a timer function, sure. @@TomsCoffeeCorner
I love my DF64 gen 2. Had it for a few months now. I wanted low retention. Single dose. And something that would do espresso and filter. And not to much static. Thus the DF64 G2 was my choice. This however would looks like a smaller version of that. Given the price i wil recommend this to friends over the heavier price of the bigger version.
Seems to be a nice entry level grinder.
People on budget nowadays have more options.
Heck yeah, it's a nice time to be in the hobby.
Already pre-ordered DF54
me too.. i can’t wait. this will be my first electric grinder so i’m a little giddy. watched all the review i can get my hands into since i’m indecisive but i jumped the gun
So, what's your opinion on it? :)
@@HenryPiffpaff a little bit disappointed, plasma generator real crap, after every 50-60 grams required to clean it or use water spay on beans
@@Dennis_To hmm, okay :/ and taste-wise?
@@HenryPiffpaffwith taste all fine for me
Tom you’re the greatest.. great video
Interesting video thanks.
On the Italian design thing we had a Rocket Giotto it looked pretty but in the two and a half years we had it. It went through 2 elements and then leaked and took out the controller.
Now we have a Breville Oracle it is 5 years old and the steam boiler just died and it makes hands down better shots than the Giotto ever did. So we are going to be another Oracle a certified referb for $950 AU
Great test, I I'm waiting for availability in Poland, just like the Apex express.
I am excited at this option! Thank you for sharing.
We have the SK40: I was excited to get a stepless grinder that was affordable. Control was really good for grind size. The only disappointment is that I thought the flavor is a bit muddled. We use mostly light to medium roast single origin and want the unique flavors to come through.
I know flat burrs are more recommended for this, but we couldn't afford 500 for one.
In your opinion, does this 54 mil flat burr improve flavor enough to notice from the SK40?
Can you do a comparison of the two, seeing as they are priced in the same ballpark? Thank you!
Well, this also has espresso focused burrs inside. So, I am guessing neither will be tuned for pour over. Maybe someone else has more input on this? I don't do a ton of pour over...
We do mostly espresso. occassionally a pourover
@@TomsCoffeeCorner
I’d consider this as a second grinder (paired with a hopper grinder) for decaf and trying other beans out.
That’s a good idea, I never bother running 2 different beans in parallel because I don’t like to lose the setting, this could be a little brother to my DF83!
Just ordered mine on Monday. Says it should be here Thursday, pretty stoked about it.
So, what's your opinion on it? :)
@@HenryPiffpaff It’s been great. I would definitely recommend it for a cost efficient option that looks really good. Takes a little time to dial in but performs like a champ. No regrets at all with this purchase.
Great review on the DF54! It does seem like a most excellent budget option and if I didn't already own a (1st gen DF64), I'd buy this.
Qn: Does it have an easily removable chute for cleaning?
Nope, you have to remove several screws after removing the upper burr chamber. So, I'd say no it's not easy.
What is the advantage of getting the DF54 over D40+? I'm on the fence trying to compare your comment on tasting notes. The tasting notes for D40+ sounded more interesting while for DF54 it was just 'balanced'.
I like the stability of the build and the grind adjustment better on the DF54, and the deionizer. For a taste test, I'd have to try comparing them side by side. You know, beans make quite the difference, and the amount of time the machine has been warmed up. That can also influence perception in taste. Cheers!
The df54 is a 'gamechanger'. That said, I just ordered a manual grinder for $90. It is not the money. A manual grinder allows me to spend more time making a shot.
Honestly a hand grinder would produce a better tasty shot
It’s something about slow grinding on a conical burr.
Which manual grinder did you get?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner TIMEMORE Chestnut C3 MAX PRO. If you think it is a bad choice, I can quick-cancel. BTW, I went to a local espresso stand. Told them I wanted a really good shot so I could "benchmark" my home product. I was served luke warm crap like what I might dump out of my drip-tray. FACT about American coffee: almost nobody drinks 'shots'. They are mixed into shot-based drinks. Coffee at Starbucks was good in the 1990's but over half the customers thought it was too strong so... they watered it down. Here in USA, we quickly become used to pure CRAP because that is what the majority of people WANT.
@@RakanWD More things to fidget with makes a better "hobby activity". Besides, I have to boil water to heat the cup and portafilter, so I have a couple minutes to (quietly) grind.
@@SunriseLAW For me, I’d say consider 1Zepresso K MAX, a fantastic grinder. Easy espresso grinding and takes ~35 seconds to complete.
I know nothing about Timemore.
Would you pick this over a Eureka mignon Manuale? I`m kind of espresso lean towards
It's kinda annoying that it has to be restated with each one of these DF grinders but this does not cost 220 quid in Europe. It's AT LEAST 320 after shipping and taxes. Probably more.
EDIT: just checked. It's 325 in Germany.
You are right about that. I should’ve checked first and included that in the video. I did do a write up of it on my website, in the last section: tomscoffeecorner.com/df54-review/
As a European I’m looking for a grinder that does espresso and drip coffee really well. Think the Wilfa uniform is my best option still.
Thats a very promising grinder! Where I live it costs almost the same as specialita (around 350 euro) which makes it the direct competitor.
Great video, thanks Tom. How does this compare to the D40+ that you reviewed recently please? I'm unsure about the difference between conical and flat burr grinders.
Yes, am wondering too. I have the D40+. Am really happy with it. Quiet, fluffy grounds, very low retention and grinds so fine. So am really curious how it fares in comparison with the flat burr DF54.
DF54 I understand has alignment issues, which is pretty common?
@@joleau1 oh! Could you elaborate please?
@@andyrawlins from some reviews I read. Also miicoffee has a video about it titled How to align fd54 burrs. I believe it could have been a handful of units or a production batch which may have somehow missed the QC and could be sent back to be fixed.
Just ordered one to go with a cafelat. Thanks!
Oh nice Tom.. I still think you need to take the show on the road! Starnberg is a lovely place to start! We have a lake, and definitely in need of some great espresso instruction 😅
Is that an invitation?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner anytime mate.
great timing thanks, helped me decide on the sage.
Really wish that was available a couple of years ago. I started out with a Mignon Facile for about $150 more, then spent another $100 on a bellows hopper and an updated dial system. Works out ok but really have to work the bellows to get all the retention out and still holds on to about .2g you can see switch from light to dark roast. I've added the new DF64 gen II and it's great so would expect this to perform similarly.
Hi!
Do you know does this burrs fit in Eureka Mignon without making new holes?)
Great and detailed review as usual, please allow me to ask if i could fit my 51mm portafilter on the cup's place,so that ican have the coffee grinding straight in my portafilter(sorry, English not my mother language)
Yes, it fits well, but you'll still have to hold the handle, or it will fall down. Cheers!
hey tom, can you make a video talking about the differences of cold start and hot start. the pros and cons.. there’s really not a whole lot of videos talking about it here
In the low cost category you didn't mention the Baratza Encore ESP. So I think everybody assumes the DF 54 would do a better job making espresso grinds because that's all it can do. Please do a head to head comparison if you can. With all of these grinder reviews and there have been tons in the last two or three months I don't see the encore ESP much but when I do the reviewers seem to think it's the all to end all so anyway I'd like to see how the ESP stacks up
Well, they're quite different. Conical vs Flat. Hoppered vs single dose. I like the ESP for it's workflow, and DF54 for its quality. But they're both quite capable.
The Encore ESP clumps, so you have to use WDT, unlike the DF54 with its plasma ionizer.
Super. I just wish it was a bit lighter because the weight has a big influence on shipping.
Tom could you please make a comparison between the d40 and the df54? Conical vs flat - Thanks
Who sell this in the Europe? Miicoffee in the link has free shiping in the USA, but 100 euro shipping in the EU (even for 150euro machines)
Nice video. Thanks.
Question: for espresso purposes.
Conical burrs or flat burrs and why?
Thank you.
Surely a bargain with decent price performance ratio; but I opted for a 65 mm grinder (sold in Germany as EMIL T64, or BG T64 in Asia), which costs "only" about 429 € for comparison: faster and broader applicable grinder size (but for nearly double the costs..)
Is that the DF64 but with a different case?
@@benjaminaguilera8097 not really - its better in my eyes -I prefer it much in comparison because of better design, construction (no plasma fuzz necessary) and functionality (magnetic chute, nicer grinding adjustment), better price
@@user-jp9js9th8o huh. i'm on the market for a grinder so i'll research it. thank you!
@@benjaminaguilera8097 look at my answer above- for me it's a further development into direction of Lagom...
For the money it looks like a good option - but only if single dosing for espresso is you thing. The Opus and Baratzza encore esp offer a better use case for more general use maybe but this is certainly gonna be a success I reckon
Flat burr, stepless, ionizer, 0 .1g retention, full metal for $200? C'mon, blow them out of the water
This certainly beats the Opus. ESP is still good for hoppered use though.
Servus Tom,
Thank you for the awesome review!
I’ve also read your blogpost about this machine and in the end you state that “for that [price in Germany] you could get a Eureka Mignon Manuale, Classico, or nearly a Specialita”, which makes it sound like those could be the better deal. The DF54 currently is 330€, the Eureka Mignon Zero costs about the same here. Which one would you recommend getting? For my use case I highly value low retention and build quality.
Or would it make more sense to spend a bit more and go for the DF64 Gen2 (490€), EMIL T64 (450€), or Eureka Single Dose (560€)?
Any advice is appreciated. Thank you!
Difference from this and DF64 GEN2?
I think the design is about the same, but with a beefier motor, at 250 watts, instead of 150 watts.
🤔🤔🤔
Awesome videos Tom! I am torn between this one and the Specialita. What would you suggest? I could actually get the Specialita for around 100euros more. I could still SD the specialita. But the build/quality etc seems to be better on the Specialita. Just the small dial could be a challenge. What do you recommend between the 2 for a first timer and just drinking espresso? Thanks.
Idk. They are both pretty excellent. I think I would go for the Eureka for potential resale value, if you ever sell it. But honestly, they’re both very good.
Great video
Is the machine suitable for getting started with light roasts?
Hey how does this compare to the MiiCoffee D40+ or the SK40?
I like it much better. It's just way more solid. And the de-ionizer is sweet.
it will be very popular no doubt. in asia there is a 60mm flat titanium burr single dose with bellows grinder for about the price of df54. "Coffee Grinder 520N"
Great video, this one and the others about affordable grinders, love your channel. Do you have a suggestion how to buy this from Europe, Serbia and not to spend 400 EUR with shipping taxes?
Europe charges import fees - no way around that.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Can you please review the DeLonghi KG521 grinder?
Hi Tom, love your videos, would this grinder combo with the dual boiler be a good setup? Thanks
Yes, I think so. It's a very good grinder, similar to the Specialita, which is my go to grinder. Cheers!
my espresso tastes very sour when I grind with the df64 with the hand grinder it tastes good can it be a bad alignment?
I have been going back and forth on decision for grinder and had just landed on the Turin SK40. Would this be a big upgrade since it has a larger flat burr? I mostly espresso but like to switch it up to a French press sometimes. Is this worth the wait and is it that much better than the sk40?
Some people like flat over conical, or vice versa. I like this better than the SK40, just because the grinder is physically much more stout in its build.
Hi Tom
What was the clicking sound when you were screwing the top burr back on? I noticed you backed off
Thanks
Hello Tom, I have a Gaggia classic pro paired with a Sage Smart grinder and looking for a grinder upgrade to flat burr, I am between the DF54 and the eureka mignon zero, can you make a suggestion?
Well, I haven't tried the Zero yet, but I bet they'll be similar. Similar burr geometry, same burr size, very low retention. But the Eureka has the heritage and spare parts availability.
I'd probably get the DF to save some cash, honestly.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks for answering
Often wandered what the impact is of the screws within the burrs. The burr cutting edges and geometry are so carefully engineered but yet they then have great holes, edges and screw heads where the screws are. Is this just a shortcut/cost saving compared to putting the screws somewhere else? Or does it really not matter to the resulting grinds?
They need the holes to mount the burrs to their carriers. There are however some grinders with ghost burrs, which are mounted differently. But that's also more expensive...
I’ve been giving the Varia VS3 a pretty hard eyeball since it came out. But this new DF54 is giving me pause.
Perhaps get this one and a 48mm conical hand grinder instead for a really affordable duo of flat & conical. That gives you an option for travel too.
@@zammie01 I’ve got a J-MAX. My electric grinder is a 12 year old Breville 450XL, which I think is a re-badged Wilfa Svart. The former is very good. The latter competent. I’m curious to try a higher clarity grinder. Is that a Varia with the latest Hypernova Ultra burr, or the DF54 with MAYBE the possibility of future burr upgrades…
@@coreycannon4511 J-Max is good. Personally I would think having one of each burr type is a bigger benefit. Looks like you have time to research some more :)
Nice Video, is this one also available in Germany with EU/german plug (230V/50Hz)?
Tom,
Thoughts on this vs. the DF64 gen2? Is the 64mm version worth the cost up?
I'd go for this. The price is incredible. 64mm allows you to try different burrs, which I think is the main attraction to paying more for the D64.
Well, at a selling price of $229 USD, it's not exactly what some people would define as "affordable." Under $100 would be more in line with that definition. But for those who are willing to spend the money, it appears to be an excellent product. Cheers.
I should have waited for this instead of opus fellow even tho I don’t have any complaints with it beside the confusing dialing in.
Great video Tom! I have a silly question, does the wooden lid sits in place if you don't use the bellow at all?
Nope, it doesn't...
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks Tom! I’ll probably order the df64 gen 2 anyway
The build looks similar to the other DF series. Since you mentioned a DF83, I own a DF83v2. I have consistentcy issues with it. Meaning, light-medium roast, I find I have to adjust the grind size on back to back shots by a significant amount. After about 6 grind sessions I can go from 8 down to 4. I’m wondering if the DF54 behaves similarly? I never figured out the problem with the DF83 but am guessing it might be heat related.
This looks like a neat grinder and I might be tempted if I did not own the Baratza Vario W+, which I find great for batch brewing.
The setting really shouldn't be walking like that. I'd contact the seller and see if you can get a replacement, or if maybe he can point you in the right direction to fix that walking...
I got the KitchenAid grinder and I love everything about it, but unfortunately it doesn’t grind fine enough. 16g Shots take only 17 seconds
How does it compare to e.g. a Eureka Manuale which is around the same price point? I get they are designed differently with the DF being single dose, but how does the result in the cup compare?
I am guessing very, very similar. The burr design looks nearly identical to be honest. I mean, I’ve never tried the Manuale, but this would be my best guess.
Tom do you recommend flat burr or conical burr? Most people think conical is better.thank you
It’s not about better. It’s about a different flavour profile.
I have gotten great shots from both. Flat is more versatile though, as you can switch the burrs out to others.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks Tom all the informative videos..
@@LLS.R thanks
#DF54 I'm the exact person you mentioned at the beginning, Tom. I just bought an ECP 3630 and I can't get a fine enough grind with my Baratza Encore. The shots come out way too fast. I might get this one. Seems to be the bet value for the money and even for more money than it costs. Have a great weekend. Tom and thanks for the videos.
Encore was not really intended for espresso, but Encore ESP is solid all-rounder for the price.
This one is probably better, but the price including postage and import taxes will be close to DF64.
Now, for me, DF64 is a bit too big. I am still deciding between this one and DF64V, but DF64V is expensive and there's a problem with static.
Nothing is perfect...
One more disadvantage, at the moment, there are only stock burrs, and nobody knows if there will be some third party burrs available.
Tough decision...
@@tulenik71 I have the same thoughts here! I find Df64 too big. Df64v is more sleek but I have seen the demo unit at work and I can't accept the static problem lol. Back then Df54 was not on sale in my area so I landed with sd40+. Loving it. But... am very tempted to get Df54 since it's a smaller version of Df64 and have been wondering how it will fare in comparison with sd40+.
How would this compare in grind quality to a manual grinder like the J-max/ultra
I think this will completely kill the baratza encore and similarly priced grinders, if this was around when I started out I would most likely have bought it over the niche which was a huge stretch on my budget at the time
It'll kill it in America, but not Europe. For the EU and other countries that charge import fees, you have to consider that on top. Check out the end of the write up I did here: tomscoffeecorner.com/df54-review/
Tom, which portafilter did you use on these video?
How does it compare to the eureka specialita?
I should compare them side to side. I think it's gonna be about the same. Same burr diameter, and geometry looks super similar also.
Hello, how does it compare to the older df64 gen 1? Because here in my country they are priced the same. If you have a recommendation on the issue i thank you.
Sorry, never used the DF64 before...
Hi Tom it seems that im still on the fence weather to get df54 or varia VS3, all i can say is in my country the DF54 is cheaper compared to varia vs3, im a little bit worried about the retention on df54 based on the post i read in reddit. Varia got almost zero retention but its a conical burr grinder. I only drink latte twice a day using picopresso setup. tired of hand grinding thats why im looking for an electric grinder.
For me, the DF54 also has little to no retention - maybe 0.1 grams after the initial use. I haven't tried the VS3, so I cannot comment to that.
#DF54 I'm definitely interested. Been looking to upgrade my grinder. I don't have an espresso machine yet, kinda torn between getting a Flair or a similarly priced machine. I wonder if the Flair 58 is better than a machine priced around the same or not though.
Please review the Varia VS3 Gen3
hi tom! i’m looking for a grinder to pair with my gaggia classic pro, im currently looking at either this one or the sk40. any thoughts perhaps? or maybe any other grinders you’d recommend in the same price point? any response would be great!! love from the philippines🇵🇭
I’d choose this one. I feel that is an all-around better product.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner have you tried it for the gcp? if so, how was it? and OMG such an honor to get a reply from you🥹
There will be a 220volt version for Europe?
Yes!👍🏻
Wouldnt the notte be more comparable to this machine just for the price range? How does it fare against the notte. Here in europe specialita is around 100€ more than df54
I think they'll be very very similar, but the Notte will grind faster and has more heritage.
Is there any tax for ordering on this site for Germany? I see that it’s US site.
Anything you import into Germany from outside the EU will have taxes.
1) Einfuhrumsatzsteuer, 19% (this is the main tax)
2) Verbrauchssteuer (coffee, alchohol, etc.)
3) Zollsatz (depending on the product, another tax maybe added)
4) DHL or FedEx may also add an administrative fee, for preparing and remitting these taxes for you.
Will likely be the same in most European Countries.
www.zoll.de/DE/Privatpersonen/Postsendungen-Internetbestellungen/Abgabenrechner-Zoll-und-Post/abgabenrechner-zoll-und-post_node.html
@@TomsCoffeeCorner So it should be around 50€ for tax. Minimum, so that is already closer to 300€ for the grinder. Is there anything else in that price range considering that then.
This vs opus?
I prefer this personally because of easy dial in
I own an opus just because it has that anti static feature over eureka mignon manuale that time. But now I would buy DF54. Opus is kinda hard to dial in tho, but once u got it right its nice.
@@bsyoutube2649 I wouldn't take that grinder if someone gave it to me for free. That adjustment mechanism is ridiculous.
DF54, fo shizzle.
"Cheap Grinder"
£180
That's certainly not cheap! Lol. Maybe one day - we can dream.
@@MrGedgeman That IS cheap. You should see what the rest cost. Look up Mazzer or Eureka.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner The dream continues! 🙂
This was no shade to you, btw!
@@MrGedgeman Just gotta save up in afraid. I know it’s more expensive than the blade grinders or cheap grinders you can find at the electronics store, but this is a whole different beast.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner It will be nice to have proper grid coffee at home
I just received mine and was wondering what the best setting number would be for espresso with a La Pavoni? It’s my first grinder. Thanks!
Well it depends on your bean, but I'd try 12-14.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner
Thanks so much!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner
Hello again.
What bean do you recommend?
Thanks!
DW
Would have been nice to know the loudness rstings on these grinders. My Kitchenaid espresso grinder (Model: KCG8433ER ) is 66-70db. Pretty damn quiet.
I should do a comparison of all the grinders I have. Good idea for a video.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Woot. That would be awesome. Keeping the wife and kids asleep is important when making espresso in the am. I have the Kitchenaid Model: KCG8433ER and it runs around 70-76db? Not bad if you ask me.
Can specilita burrs fit in df54?
I'm wondering the same. Seems like if they do, you could make this grinder even more balanced for espresso and filter.
The images in the video show the screw holes in the df54 burrs are pushed out more towards the outer edge compared to the eureka's, so it's very unlikely the Specialita burrs would fit... The screw holes look a lot like where the ditting 54mm steel, mahlkonig 54mm ceramic and mahlkonig X54 steel burrs have them, seems they have a better chance of fitting...
I'm sorry, I haven't had the time to check yet. I will have to look into that. Cheers!
Hey 😊 wie sind deine Erfahrungen mit Versand und Kosten von miicoffee aus Amerika. Ebenfalls bezüglich Zoll? Ist dann ja nicht mehr 220€ oder?
In the USA they almost always state prices without VAT even for private consumers, in the EU there is a law to state prices with VAT,
therefore, when you talk about prices, the prices seem to be mostly lower in the USA as consumers are also used to stating the prices without VAT, while in the EU we say the prices with VAT.
Remember that you pay VAT on both the machine and the shipping!
Nein, da musst du mit €72 Porto und außerdem Einfuehrungsgebuehren rechnen. Tut mir Leid!
What is ur setting number for delonghi
hey coffee lovers i need your help
i want to buy my first grinder ,but i need to choose between knigrinder k6 and 1zpresso x pro-s which one is better for filter coffee
Sorry, don't know that one! But the K6 is sweet. Never tried the X Pro S.
Hi Tom
will you review the P-series of the KinGrinder now that the K series isnt available in Europe ?
Why isn't the K series available? Are they on backorder?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner apparently a german Brand files a report against the k Series. Thats what they seid on their instagram account
@@TomsCoffeeCornersome company sued them apparently because of the K series
Does df's burrs fit to specialita?
I haven't tried that yet...I will have to take a look when I get some time.
Should people be told to spend more on a coffee grinder than the coffee machine? 🤔
It's not a question of should. It's just the way it is. Motors are expensive, and burrs are made via CNC.
If you have only cheap machine, grinder can save A LOT.
Just lift the entire bellows with the lid when filling the grinder!
Is anyone in europe having difficulties finding DF54 on amz? Seems it out of stock for ever or overpriced
Well, Europe has high import duties. This is the case with most of the world, just not in the USA.
That sucks. 😢 it was available at 255€ and now no offer available but for 320€. I'm not able to buy it now, but it will bothers me to pay it overpriced.
Do you recommend the HiBrew G5 grinder?
Sorry, I haven't tried it!
@TomsCoffeeCorner It's way cheaper than most grinders, and it can grind fine enough for turkish as well. I don't know if I should get it or do more research 🤕
Tom can you review the MHW3BOMBER SNIPER grinder？
Maybe someday...it's not currently on the list though. Cheers!
Pretty nice machine for the value #df54
Can you use dark roasts on the DF54?
Sure, why not?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks! i was just asking because i see a lot of coffee enthusiast saying to go conical instead of flat for dark roast.
It’s really come down to the burr you’re using and less about the actual grinder. The grinder does matter for functionality but in terms of what you end up in your cup it’s all the burr.
I can get on board with that.