One thing that stood out to me was when you were throwing at the tree, the shield’s rotation was not in your favor. If the tree was instead to your left I believe it wouldn’t bite so much into it, and may have been able to roll off as you intended.
For the long distance throwing test, flipping the shield upside down is what killed your distance. When thrown right side up, the parabolic shape of the disc traps a "cushion" of air underneath it and provides lift. Just like a Frisbee.
One of the lesser focused-on aspects of the Super-Soldier Serum is how it improved Steve's cognitive abilities. He's not just throwing the shield and it returns to him, he does trajectory assessments and throws the shield to bounce in the right angles to return back to him.
So many people don't even realize this is happening. I've talked to too many people who think it's some kind of magic like Thor and Mjolnir. To be fair, I only knew that because of "Marvel vs Capcom 2" video game =P
@N8_R That wasn't the point, and I can't see how you came to that conclusion from the comment. Of course, hand eye coordination doesn't equal decision making. However, the comment never mentioned the relationship between the hand and eye. They were saying he can pretty much instantly calculate the correct angle in a combat situation where you normally wouldn't have the freedom to purely plan and have it work out, instead you're trying to plan as well as react to your opponent, meaning you have to change your plan on the fly whenever your opponent does something you don't expect or weren't planning on. That's not to say that he can't miss, it's that he doesn't. If he dies miss, it hits something else and either bounces back because its the right - planned - angle, or ricochets and eventually bounces back because it's the right - again, planned - angle. I haven't even gotten to the part where he's accurately predicting where opponents will be in order to get multiple bounces. But also, hand-eye coordination does depend on your cognitive ability. It doesn't necessarily mean you're smarter than someone that has wors or no hand-eye coordination, it means the correct neurons fired in time for you to respond.
It is fun getting to see him do his own thing with fabricating different pop culture and testing it. Ty's great with the guys but Shad kind of has a big personality and can dominate the videos sometimes. So it's nice to see the other guys get to do their own thing.
I've always liked Shad, but I really started loving Shadiversity when Tyranth got more screen time. Great to see him doing his own thing with this channel, and it looks like he has a blast doing it!
Another issue with the rebound not working might be the edge being too soft, adding a bit of a rigid spring steel ring around the inside might allow you to get a proper ricochet and maintain it's shape.
Also keep in mind that bark is probably terrible for this test since it will absorb a lot of energy and is uneven so the angle it will bounce off is unpredictable. On a flat hard surface that would have gone different and probably better.
One of the things that helps Cap quickly remove the shield for throwing and reattaching it on the fly is that his bracer the shield straps to is magnetic. This lets him quickly pull the shield off, throw it, catch it again and slap it back into place without worrying about messing with the straps. Now granted this isn't always the case given I don't think he uses the magnetic gauntlets until Age of Ultron, but it is an option that he uses in the movies. I am loving the idea of the Shadiversity Avengers slowly developing here.
im just gonna say that was later when he met Tony Stark. that was a stark thing as far as i know. but at first, it was totally just straps. but yes, that would help.
i'm not gonna complain in-universe about how magnets would not give any benefits since there's enough magic, sci-fi etc involved, but at least i'll say for the real world that magnets would never ever give any huge benefits. Either they are too weak to secure the shield, or they are too strong for you to detach it. Just keep in mind, if you need the magnet to withstand a shieldbash with force X, it will take as bare minimum X force to detach it, and that's not considering the fact that the two forces would need to be much further apart. And as soon as you want to use electromagnets, you'll need an automated control mechanism and it would suck up a shitton of electricity, so you'd have to walk around with basically at least a car battery on your back, which is also far from ideal
Yes, but if he shield bashes with it, the shield is going to get knocked off. Caps strength is the force it needs to be able to withstand. @@MusicSetAdrift
There's a great clip of behind the scenes material where one of the crew talks about how Peter Jackson constantly demanded the flail to be bigger until it reached that ludicrous size.
@@lonelystrategos They had to green screen a guy holding the flail ball in order to make it work. In order to get anywhere workable it have of steel plated light wood, a very light metal, almost all hollow head.
M... Thor Hammer won the Battle of Avengers Weapon this round! Truly appreciate this new channel and the great effort you put into making the videos! Absolutely love them!
Nate being here may be a surprise, but a welcome one Also I feel you should of used two bigger handles or at least kept the strap at the bottom. Wouldnt mind seeing a similair set of tests but with a more practical wooden shield instead
The rebound shot might work differently if you tried to rebound off the right side of the tree because the shield was rotating counter-clockwise so when it hits the tree it tries to dig in instead of drive away. Maybe.
If you'd ever thrown a frisbee upside down, you'd know they don't fly as far that way either. I think even with the awkwardness imparting force, given the shape of the shield you may have gotten more distance trying to throw it right way up rather than upside down.
I think the biggest problem with the ricochet shot is not the rotation, angle, or the shield itself, its the fact that trees are far better at absorbing the kinetic force than something harder like a cement wall or metal street post like it would be in the movies. The tree is nullifying the ability to ricochet with its fibrousness.
Honestly, the biggest issue with the shield was it wasn't sturdy enough, had it been something like spring steel it would more than likely been better in both durability and bounciness, although it would likely be much harder to make a spring steel shield of that size. When it comes to the shield bashing, maybe having something like an open box/C shape for the forearm brace instead of a right angle might help a bit, of course that would make it a bit harder to get it ready to throw, it shouldn't make it too impractical.
I actually think you would have been better off with the original straps. Cap always threw his shield by grabbing it by one of the straps closest to the edge, extending his arm, then throwing it like a discus. It probably would have worked well for you will still letting you use it in melee. Something to keep in mind for mk2.
I'd really love for you to do a part 2 regarding Captain America's shield, but this time focused on the practicality of using the shield in combination with a firearm. I recently re-watched Shad's first video on this shield, and he referenced a few times when Captain America used handguns (and even an M16 once) in combination with his shield. But that's left me really wanting to know how effective the "shield and gun" fighting technique would be in real life.
Another amazing video. Love to see Tyranth showing a bit of vulnerability and flaws. All too often it feels like he’s the most capable and experienced of the three but this video reminds us that he isn’t perfect and that’s very wholesome.
You gotta rememeber though that in the comiics adamantium has a certain "bounce" on it which also helps it deflect stuff so in that sense it would be far easier to get it to rebound.
You are pretty accurate at throwing strange weapons like the Mjolnir or this shield. I think that the problem with the rebound throw was that the shield was too soft, you'd need something more rigid to make it rebound well, also, you tried to make a glancing hit on the tree instead of a solid impact from the other side that made it rebound with strength. A really entertainning video, those throws agains the dummy (I still call it Dahs) were beautiful.
Been absolutly loving your videos tyranth! im glad Nates here, he is a great addition, yalls chemistry bouncing back and forth perfectly. i like the structure of these videos. overall im glad i found your solo channel. time to check out your second channel with all your cool builds!
His processes for mounting the handle and strap and the choice to do one strap and one handle are exactly what I was planning for a shield I'm making out of a satellite dish. I'm also going to paint mine, so I'm glad he touched on that too, however briefly.
great vid, just the correct amounts of science, fun, humor, and seriousness. well shot and well scripted. and lastly well presented thanks for the work!
First of all, I love your videos. Your content generation actually leaves me satisfied because of your dedication to scientific experimentation. I am, and have been the premier shieldsman for my larp group since 2003. I've blocked thousands of spears with 27 inch rounded shields exactly like the one you are using. I've also shield checked so many people that is a reflex on anyone who thinks they're a berserker. That said, bashing and blocking require a strap at the back of the shield or some sort of stabilization brace. You can always face the buckle inwards and uncinch very quickly before a throw if that was your intention. One strap on the back third of the piece will give you all the utility for bashes you require. Your other handle is great. The fact that you mentioned wood as a kinetic absorber also impressed me. Even in larp, with foam frontals, we sometimes use a plywood backing to help soften blows from 6 foot polearms. It helps, but you can't throw it more than 10 feet. For the rebound throws, maybe a springsteel? You lose a lot of energy on that tree, but wood absorbs kinetic energy. Maybe in the shield throw 2.0 video a year from now...use a more rebounding surface? Anyways, I'm no expert, just wanted to share some input from exprience and to show my support for this AWESOME channel. You have the same feel as old school game theory, I hope you understand how deep of a compliment that is.
Sitting at 11:00 and it looks to me like it could use a reinforcing band of metal (maybe about a half inch to 2 cm wide worth of aluminum) around the inside of the entire circumference. That should help with stability and give the edge a bit more structure for punching and bouncing.
Im really Loving your videos Tyranth,this is some really cool stuff and your very impresive in your metal working abilitys and martial ability in trowing the Captain Americas shield,keep it up dude.
For the bounce, you need both the shield and the tree to be hard. You lose a lot of power when the shield bends, and against a tree that is soft absorbs most of the force.
I think the most impressive thing in this is actually your athletic ability. The thought, entertainment,, the build. All amazing. But the fact you can do this is awesome
In the marvel's avengers game caps shield design is similar to your one on the inside the only differences is there's a rectangular piece of metal that's against the forearmand to the top of the palm, the handle Is straight and there's a brace on the top and bottom of the forearm kinda cool how close both designs are to each other, great video as well.
I think a single central handle, like on a Viking shield, would have worked better for both the throw and the bash. Or maybe an elongated central handle so you could slide off center for the throw. Fun experiment in any case.
To make this idea really work you should study the micro geometry of disc golf discs. In theory you could make it come back to you without hitting anything if you made an extremely 'overstable' disc profile and threw it at the correct angle.
Nice episode. I think this is one of those weapons you'd need superhuman powers to truly replicate. I think the shield is only the visual representation of his power. Its not rly the shield that is anything special. Also you and that guy have rly good synergy. You guys are good together.
For the tree bounce the biggest problem was the rotation. Your shield was rotating in the opposite direction to which it was supposed bounce into, so by hitting the tree it almost came to a full stop every time. Also how it got battered over time didn't help. Also throwing it like a frisbee instead would have surely helped.
Suggestions to keep the shield from deforming: -Just as adding a layer of fiberglass to a board of wood makes the wood 14x stronger, adding a continuous layer of aramid fabric secured with impact resistant resin will prevent deformation -Spot welding as opposed to bolts and holes (takes less time to do and is less intrusive) -Temper the edge or add a tempered edge, like the reinforcement of a wood shield Alternatively: -Get a titanium shield (that material is wacky)
I believe if the sheild could manage the damage and vibration better it would perform more efficent. As others stated the throwing technique and rebounding is a matter of practice and angles. Spin and speed can in theory work, but that is a skill and time thing most folks do not have. As shields are not thrown that often.
i might be crazy, but i feel like moving the handle/grip towards the edge of the shield, as opposed to the middle, might actually make for easier throwing. If the handle was in the center, do you think it would’ve made it more difficult to add some spin to your throws? Just a thought lol (great content btw! keep it up my guy!)
Looking at the test, I think it would be worth a retest after some modifications. 1) Re-enforce the rim. 2) Cross brace the shield, likely with honeycomb drilled aluminum plate. 3) Design a quick detach system with a base that remains strapped to your arm. 4) possibly vacuum molding carbon fiber or carbon fiber/aluminum composite to the back of the shield in place of wood to further re-enforce it. Hope this helps.
this was fun, i thought the bash would work better then it did. the rebound shot i kinda knew wasnt gunna work. sure you could hit something with a rebound but it would be luck
i'm just throwing this out there, in the hopes you'd see this: i'd like for you to see how viable sword and shield would be against *monsters. to be precise, if you were stuck using that combo, and could optimize it for such a task. i say this because thanks to Disney's Sleeping Beauty, i grew up with the concept of slaying dragons with sword and shield - and other monsters, by proxy. i was thinking you'd find the right type of blade (Roman spatha, Viking sword, 1831 French infantry briquet... to name 3) and shield (Kite shield, Heater shield, etc.), find the right measurements, test them out - *if making them is even possible* - and then discuss it with Shad. i hope that just the discussion of it and the extrapolations would be done, let alone everything else... but i'm already hoping for too much. *not from D&D, The Witcher, or any other media; i'm talking Earth folklore (like the medieval depictions of dragons).
TBF, the part where the shield was hit with the hammer was straight up a shield rebound, not only that but it was pretty accurate to how it went in the movies...
So I genuinely think that the rebound throw could have worked better if you had your palm facing up with your right hand grabbing the handle and you threw it / swung it from your left side to your right side to release because the centripetal force or spin of the shield would have rolled off the tree more as it bounced vs how it was being thrown in the video. Kind of like how a basketball will start to roll in the direction of a bounce as it goes across the court. It might sound like an awkward comparison but in parkour they land and shoulder roll because it distributes out the landing force making it so that it's 65% less lethal on the body except in this case scenario of throwing the shield the way I mentioned it would be kind of like redirecting that momentum rather than trying to instantly stop it. Whereas the way it was being thrown at the tree in the video it was kind of spinning into the tree which is like driving a car forwards and then instantly trying to throw it in reverse. It was causing more friction on impact which really hurts the vector quantity.
about Ricochet, it losing A LOT of kinetic energy due to deformation, it's mb a steel, but not heat treated one, gotta make it springy for that oh and tree, it's round, soo getting rigt angle for rebound on it it super hard, hitting flats like walls is much easier for that too. Soo having problem here aren't rly a technique problem, it's purelly technical stuff :D
Someone made a rebounding cap shield if you want to check it out it was made by a creator named JLaser if you want to try something similar to his design it may work, this is just an idea
I believe a great deal of your momentum is being absorbed by the flex in the shield more then anything. If the outer rim was ridged and sturdy enough, (which fictional metals can achieve in a much thinner and lighter way) It would rebound no problem. As such, throwing it at harder mediums also would cut down on how much is absorbed. Resulting in a better ricochet.
The idea of cap's shield is great, but definitely one that needs a little movie magic or unique materials to solidify. Really impressed with the outcome from a thin sheet steel variant though.
Yes, shield spinning the wrong way when hitting tree. Put Boromir on the other side of the tree and the rotation of the shield will spin faster rather than stop if done correctly. Thus bouncing off the tree rather than deadening the momentum of the shield off the tree.
I would wonder why not consider applying a layer of rubber to the rim if the goal was to have it bounce off the tree without warping or digging in? Also a small (possibly spherical) weight on the inside of the shield in the centre for stabilization in the air. Overall, I did enjoy this.
The core mistake in bouncing it off of a tree was the side you picked. throwing right arm, hit it on the right side -- that's how you maintain the aim and the natural spin. much like you would in billiards: you rarely ever apply the opposite spin to the natural motion. throwing with right arm but hitting on the left of the tree is counterintuitive, if you don't open some angle (which would mean position like 2 steps to the left). that's the main reason you struggled hitting the trunk and bouncing it properly.
I wonder how it would have fared with a thicker/reinforced rim? It would have made it better for striking, and less energy would have gone into deforming the shield on impacts, possibly improving the chance for a ricochet shot.
Ya know, this is a very good video, and there is another TH-camr by the name of JLazervideo that made his own Captain America's Shield as well, however his is not steal like yours, but it does bounce off walls very well. If you make like a continuation of these tests then I recommend you give that video a watch, it is quite educational.
I thought that you did fairly well with these tests and about as well as can be expected, One thing to consider is that Cap has near or low end super human strength, so I think that could affect how well his shield would work doing the things he does in the movies. Of course, the fictional properties of vibranium would probably also affect how well the shield would work as a weapon. So what's next? Iron Man's armor, Widows widow stings? Or maybe try to replicate Hawkey's bow and arrows and see if you can do some of the tricks that he does, although I imagine that exploding arrowheads might be out of the question.
"Low end" strength only applies to the movies. In the comics Steve is so strong that when he temporarily loses control of his strength, he rips out steel bulkheads like tearing a foil wrapper.
The best part of Cap's shield isn't just that it is nearly indestructible, it's that it NULLIFIES kinetic impact and most forms of energy that hit it. With a normal shield, you block a hit and you have to deal with the knockback regardless of how tuff it is. If the hit has enough power behind it you could block the strike, have the shield take no damage because of how tough it is and STILL end up with a shattered arm. Hell, with a curved shield like Cap's made out of regular materials you even have to worry about block strikes being deflected into your face. Krammer did a good video on the subject when he analyzed Boromir's shield. Because Cap's shield is vibranium though all the blows that it blocks, even those that would normally deflect off of curved surfaces, instantly come to a stop and to Cap even a strike from Thor's hammer would feel like a feather blowing on the breeze. You really can't overstate how big an advantage that is over simply having a really durable shield like one made of adamantium.
so cap actually rarely ever throws the shield with his arms in the straps. i've personally done this test in some capacity as well, what cap does, is wear his shield on the left arm and when he wants the throw he grabs it with his right hand and throws it from the edge of the shield not the strap in any way. very rarely do they depict him throwing it with his arm in the straps still. just an interesting tidbit i thought i'd mention i found that this solves the issue with having leather straps for the grips
One thing that stood out to me was when you were throwing at the tree, the shield’s rotation was not in your favor. If the tree was instead to your left I believe it wouldn’t bite so much into it, and may have been able to roll off as you intended.
This is True However by the time i wanted to try that the shield was uh Kinda looking Rough haha so I just moved on
@@ScreenTested hahaha indeed sir. Just noting for the next time you inevitably throw a spinning object into a tree 🤣
Well now that you mention it haha
that's what I was gonna say! the shield needs to be rotating in the direction you want it to bounce off the tree
@@QuestForTruth2012 that’s because great minds think alike of course
For the long distance throwing test, flipping the shield upside down is what killed your distance. When thrown right side up, the parabolic shape of the disc traps a "cushion" of air underneath it and provides lift. Just like a Frisbee.
One of the lesser focused-on aspects of the Super-Soldier Serum is how it improved Steve's cognitive abilities. He's not just throwing the shield and it returns to him, he does trajectory assessments and throws the shield to bounce in the right angles to return back to him.
So many people don't even realize this is happening. I've talked to too many people who think it's some kind of magic like Thor and Mjolnir. To be fair, I only knew that because of "Marvel vs Capcom 2" video game =P
It helps that vibranium maintains momentum unlike normal real metal which loses most of its energy on the first bounce.
Hand eye coordination =/= decision making 😂
@N8_R That wasn't the point, and I can't see how you came to that conclusion from the comment.
Of course, hand eye coordination doesn't equal decision making. However, the comment never mentioned the relationship between the hand and eye. They were saying he can pretty much instantly calculate the correct angle in a combat situation where you normally wouldn't have the freedom to purely plan and have it work out, instead you're trying to plan as well as react to your opponent, meaning you have to change your plan on the fly whenever your opponent does something you don't expect or weren't planning on.
That's not to say that he can't miss, it's that he doesn't. If he dies miss, it hits something else and either bounces back because its the right - planned - angle, or ricochets and eventually bounces back because it's the right - again, planned - angle.
I haven't even gotten to the part where he's accurately predicting where opponents will be in order to get multiple bounces.
But also, hand-eye coordination does depend on your cognitive ability. It doesn't necessarily mean you're smarter than someone that has wors or no hand-eye coordination, it means the correct neurons fired in time for you to respond.
@@skeome Triggered x"D
Before I actually watch, I already expect it to be fun to watch. I hope you're also enjoying making these.
It is fun getting to see him do his own thing with fabricating different pop culture and testing it. Ty's great with the guys but Shad kind of has a big personality and can dominate the videos sometimes. So it's nice to see the other guys get to do their own thing.
I've always liked Shad, but I really started loving Shadiversity when Tyranth got more screen time. Great to see him doing his own thing with this channel, and it looks like he has a blast doing it!
Another issue with the rebound not working might be the edge being too soft, adding a bit of a rigid spring steel ring around the inside might allow you to get a proper ricochet and maintain it's shape.
Also keep in mind that bark is probably terrible for this test since it will absorb a lot of energy and is uneven so the angle it will bounce off is unpredictable. On a flat hard surface that would have gone different and probably better.
A guy did make that type of sheild lol
One of the things that helps Cap quickly remove the shield for throwing and reattaching it on the fly is that his bracer the shield straps to is magnetic. This lets him quickly pull the shield off, throw it, catch it again and slap it back into place without worrying about messing with the straps. Now granted this isn't always the case given I don't think he uses the magnetic gauntlets until Age of Ultron, but it is an option that he uses in the movies.
I am loving the idea of the Shadiversity Avengers slowly developing here.
im just gonna say that was later when he met Tony Stark. that was a stark thing as far as i know. but at first, it was totally just straps.
but yes, that would help.
i'm not gonna complain in-universe about how magnets would not give any benefits since there's enough magic, sci-fi etc involved, but at least i'll say for the real world that magnets would never ever give any huge benefits. Either they are too weak to secure the shield, or they are too strong for you to detach it. Just keep in mind, if you need the magnet to withstand a shieldbash with force X, it will take as bare minimum X force to detach it, and that's not considering the fact that the two forces would need to be much further apart. And as soon as you want to use electromagnets, you'll need an automated control mechanism and it would suck up a shitton of electricity, so you'd have to walk around with basically at least a car battery on your back, which is also far from ideal
Um....and Cap is literally a Super Soldier able to hold against the pull of a helicopter.
Yes, but if he shield bashes with it, the shield is going to get knocked off. Caps strength is the force it needs to be able to withstand. @@MusicSetAdrift
@@andreas_rr You can create magnets that you can turn on and of. Even without any special tech. I just don't know the specifics, but it exists.
Here's a suggestion; what about how viable the Witch King of Angmar's morning star flail works?
There's a great clip of behind the scenes material where one of the crew talks about how Peter Jackson constantly demanded the flail to be bigger until it reached that ludicrous size.
@@lonelystrategos I've seen it, hence why I think it would be perfect for Tyranth :)
They had to manually throw the flailing bit around to get it to do anything. Tyranth will have a field day. And possibly an aneurysm.
@@Madison-iw8ix And a hernia.
@@lonelystrategos They had to green screen a guy holding the flail ball in order to make it work. In order to get anywhere workable it have of steel plated light wood, a very light metal, almost all hollow head.
M... Thor Hammer won the Battle of Avengers Weapon this round! Truly appreciate this new channel and the great effort you put into making the videos! Absolutely love them!
Nate being here may be a surprise, but a welcome one
Also I feel you should of used two bigger handles or at least kept the strap at the bottom.
Wouldnt mind seeing a similair set of tests but with a more practical wooden shield instead
The rebound shot might work differently if you tried to rebound off the right side of the tree because the shield was rotating counter-clockwise so when it hits the tree it tries to dig in instead of drive away. Maybe.
Instant Sub!! You are throwing the 💩 out of that trash can lid. I was truly impressed with some of those throws.
If you'd ever thrown a frisbee upside down, you'd know they don't fly as far that way either. I think even with the awkwardness imparting force, given the shape of the shield you may have gotten more distance trying to throw it right way up rather than upside down.
I think the biggest problem with the ricochet shot is not the rotation, angle, or the shield itself, its the fact that trees are far better at absorbing the kinetic force than something harder like a cement wall or metal street post like it would be in the movies. The tree is nullifying the ability to ricochet with its fibrousness.
Honestly, the biggest issue with the shield was it wasn't sturdy enough, had it been something like spring steel it would more than likely been better in both durability and bounciness, although it would likely be much harder to make a spring steel shield of that size.
When it comes to the shield bashing, maybe having something like an open box/C shape for the forearm brace instead of a right angle might help a bit, of course that would make it a bit harder to get it ready to throw, it shouldn't make it too impractical.
It needs to be much thicker. The ideal construction would be like aluminum facing and edge bonded on a a composite core.
I actually think you would have been better off with the original straps. Cap always threw his shield by grabbing it by one of the straps closest to the edge, extending his arm, then throwing it like a discus. It probably would have worked well for you will still letting you use it in melee. Something to keep in mind for mk2.
Hah! I love the "We don't do stupid stuff," followed by the disclaimer... classic :0)
“We don’t do stupid stuff…”
*immediately followed by an on-screen disclaimer*
Lol
I was hoping the disclaimer would start with "We do stupid stuff..."
Great video! Simple but very effective concept :) I'm happy Nate is also in the video :D
Really cool vid! Keep it up Tyranth
I love these vids. Keep up the great work! Not only are these fun to watch, but they also show your skills as a smith and an armorer.
It's so fun to see both the successes AND failures! Keep testing these wacky concepts!
I'd really love for you to do a part 2 regarding Captain America's shield, but this time focused on the practicality of using the shield in combination with a firearm. I recently re-watched Shad's first video on this shield, and he referenced a few times when Captain America used handguns (and even an M16 once) in combination with his shield. But that's left me really wanting to know how effective the "shield and gun" fighting technique would be in real life.
I love seeing how your channel is already growing very fast!! Keep up the great work! I’m excited to see where this all leads to.
Keep em comin
YESSSSS! Love the video and I’m so excited to see more content like this
Another amazing video. Love to see Tyranth showing a bit of vulnerability and flaws. All too often it feels like he’s the most capable and experienced of the three but this video reminds us that he isn’t perfect and that’s very wholesome.
Nate!! Yes!! Hope you guys continue to have some crossovers, and keep up the great work Tyranth!
You gotta rememeber though that in the comiics adamantium has a certain "bounce" on it which also helps it deflect stuff so in that sense it would be far easier to get it to rebound.
You are pretty accurate at throwing strange weapons like the Mjolnir or this shield. I think that the problem with the rebound throw was that the shield was too soft, you'd need something more rigid to make it rebound well, also, you tried to make a glancing hit on the tree instead of a solid impact from the other side that made it rebound with strength. A really entertainning video, those throws agains the dummy (I still call it Dahs) were beautiful.
Been absolutly loving your videos tyranth! im glad Nates here, he is a great addition, yalls chemistry bouncing back and forth perfectly. i like the structure of these videos. overall im glad i found your solo channel. time to check out your second channel with all your cool builds!
His processes for mounting the handle and strap and the choice to do one strap and one handle are exactly what I was planning for a shield I'm making out of a satellite dish. I'm also going to paint mine, so I'm glad he touched on that too, however briefly.
I didn’t know Australia had actual super soldier serum :) That was awesome!
great vid, just the correct amounts of science, fun, humor, and seriousness. well shot and well scripted. and lastly well presented thanks for the work!
First of all, I love your videos. Your content generation actually leaves me satisfied because of your dedication to scientific experimentation.
I am, and have been the premier shieldsman for my larp group since 2003. I've blocked thousands of spears with 27 inch rounded shields exactly like the one you are using. I've also shield checked so many people that is a reflex on anyone who thinks they're a berserker. That said, bashing and blocking require a strap at the back of the shield or some sort of stabilization brace. You can always face the buckle inwards and uncinch very quickly before a throw if that was your intention. One strap on the back third of the piece will give you all the utility for bashes you require. Your other handle is great.
The fact that you mentioned wood as a kinetic absorber also impressed me. Even in larp, with foam frontals, we sometimes use a plywood backing to help soften blows from 6 foot polearms. It helps, but you can't throw it more than 10 feet.
For the rebound throws, maybe a springsteel? You lose a lot of energy on that tree, but wood absorbs kinetic energy. Maybe in the shield throw 2.0 video a year from now...use a more rebounding surface?
Anyways, I'm no expert, just wanted to share some input from exprience and to show my support for this AWESOME channel. You have the same feel as old school game theory, I hope you understand how deep of a compliment that is.
Sitting at 11:00 and it looks to me like it could use a reinforcing band of metal (maybe about a half inch to 2 cm wide worth of aluminum) around the inside of the entire circumference. That should help with stability and give the edge a bit more structure for punching and bouncing.
Im really Loving your videos Tyranth,this is some really cool stuff and your very impresive in your metal working abilitys and martial ability in trowing the Captain Americas shield,keep it up dude.
Another really entertaining video. Thank you Tyranth. Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
Hey, at least you made a faithful recreation of John Walker's homemade shield!
For the bounce, you need both the shield and the tree to be hard. You lose a lot of power when the shield bends, and against a tree that is soft absorbs most of the force.
I think the most impressive thing in this is actually your athletic ability. The thought, entertainment,, the build. All amazing. But the fact you can do this is awesome
In the marvel's avengers game caps shield design is similar to your one on the inside the only differences is there's a rectangular piece of metal that's against the forearmand to the top of the palm, the handle Is straight and there's a brace on the top and bottom of the forearm kinda cool how close both designs are to each other, great video as well.
That poor shield haha
So cool to see your special guest too!
I think a single central handle, like on a Viking shield, would have worked better for both the throw and the bash. Or maybe an elongated central handle so you could slide off center for the throw.
Fun experiment in any case.
Love the video, and I also love the guest star!! If Nate had his own channel, I'd watch that one too!
To make this idea really work you should study the micro geometry of disc golf discs. In theory you could make it come back to you without hitting anything if you made an extremely 'overstable' disc profile and threw it at the correct angle.
Nice episode. I think this is one of those weapons you'd need superhuman powers to truly replicate. I think the shield is only the visual representation of his power. Its not rly the shield that is anything special. Also you and that guy have rly good synergy. You guys are good together.
For the tree bounce the biggest problem was the rotation. Your shield was rotating in the opposite direction to which it was supposed bounce into, so by hitting the tree it almost came to a full stop every time.
Also how it got battered over time didn't help.
Also throwing it like a frisbee instead would have surely helped.
Suggestions to keep the shield from deforming:
-Just as adding a layer of fiberglass to a board of wood makes the wood 14x stronger, adding a continuous layer of aramid fabric secured with impact resistant resin will prevent deformation
-Spot welding as opposed to bolts and holes (takes less time to do and is less intrusive)
-Temper the edge or add a tempered edge, like the reinforcement of a wood shield
Alternatively:
-Get a titanium shield (that material is wacky)
Love this! Love you guys! Keep it up!
Hey!! This was fun!! Subscribed!!
nice vid =) but check audio its humming at start indoors
I believe if the sheild could manage the damage and vibration better it would perform more efficent. As others stated the throwing technique and rebounding is a matter of practice and angles. Spin and speed can in theory work, but that is a skill and time thing most folks do not have. As shields are not thrown that often.
Love the video and keep up the great work
Is it possible to make a spring steel shield? If so, that may keep it from getting so extremely bent out of shape and even help it rebound.
Neat video! I honestly love this format.
Im loving the Avengers weapon collection you tested and assembled, maybe well get the whole Avengers team arsenal one day.
10:48 "I feel like DJ Khalid, suffering from success"
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The great thing with this is knowing it has potential and maybe worthy of a revisit later down the road with those improvements!
I think it would benefit from a frisbee style edge, might help it bounce, and retain its shape. It also may fly better
Not what I thought I'd wake up and see today, great fun!
this was a very fun one. love the nate cameo.
i might be crazy, but i feel like moving the handle/grip towards the edge of the shield, as opposed to the middle, might actually make for easier throwing. If the handle was in the center, do you think it would’ve made it more difficult to add some spin to your throws? Just a thought lol
(great content btw! keep it up my guy!)
Your actually a pretty decent shot brother
Looking at the test, I think it would be worth a retest after some modifications.
1) Re-enforce the rim.
2) Cross brace the shield, likely with honeycomb drilled aluminum plate.
3) Design a quick detach system with a base that remains strapped to your arm.
4) possibly vacuum molding carbon fiber or carbon fiber/aluminum composite to the back of the shield in place of wood to further re-enforce it.
Hope this helps.
this was fun, i thought the bash would work better then it did. the rebound shot i kinda knew wasnt gunna work. sure you could hit something with a rebound but it would be luck
i'm just throwing this out there, in the hopes you'd see this: i'd like for you to see how viable sword and shield would be against *monsters. to be precise, if you were stuck using that combo, and could optimize it for such a task.
i say this because thanks to Disney's Sleeping Beauty, i grew up with the concept of slaying dragons with sword and shield - and other monsters, by proxy.
i was thinking you'd find the right type of blade (Roman spatha, Viking sword, 1831 French infantry briquet... to name 3) and shield (Kite shield, Heater shield, etc.), find the right measurements, test them out - *if making them is even possible* - and then discuss it with Shad.
i hope that just the discussion of it and the extrapolations would be done, let alone everything else... but i'm already hoping for too much.
*not from D&D, The Witcher, or any other media; i'm talking Earth folklore (like the medieval depictions of dragons).
A strap that retracts when not used to reduce drag...tool steel also...like the sword.
TBF, the part where the shield was hit with the hammer was straight up a shield rebound, not only that but it was pretty accurate to how it went in the movies...
So I genuinely think that the rebound throw could have worked better if you had your palm facing up with your right hand grabbing the handle and you threw it / swung it from your left side to your right side to release because the centripetal force or spin of the shield would have rolled off the tree more as it bounced vs how it was being thrown in the video. Kind of like how a basketball will start to roll in the direction of a bounce as it goes across the court. It might sound like an awkward comparison but in parkour they land and shoulder roll because it distributes out the landing force making it so that it's 65% less lethal on the body except in this case scenario of throwing the shield the way I mentioned it would be kind of like redirecting that momentum rather than trying to instantly stop it. Whereas the way it was being thrown at the tree in the video it was kind of spinning into the tree which is like driving a car forwards and then instantly trying to throw it in reverse. It was causing more friction on impact which really hurts the vector quantity.
about Ricochet, it losing A LOT of kinetic energy due to deformation, it's mb a steel, but not heat treated one, gotta make it springy for that
oh and tree, it's round, soo getting rigt angle for rebound on it it super hard, hitting flats like walls is much easier for that too.
Soo having problem here aren't rly a technique problem, it's purelly technical stuff :D
hey I"m seeing the massive views and subs you're getting! I'm so happy for you!!!! AWESOME!!!!!
Thank you👍🏼 Hopefully it stays that way
Someone made a rebounding cap shield if you want to check it out it was made by a creator named JLaser if you want to try something similar to his design it may work, this is just an idea
Tyranth invented a bin lid.
If you had a more spring tempered material, bouncing it is easy. We did it with the titanium one.
Did the Titanium shield bounce off things?
@@Vibranium_man it did! We could sink it into a tree stump or bounce it off depending on the angle
This is some very impressive throwing
Great video man. Chains of olympus soon?
this was great!
I believe a great deal of your momentum is being absorbed by the flex in the shield more then anything. If the outer rim was ridged and sturdy enough, (which fictional metals can achieve in a much thinner and lighter way) It would rebound no problem. As such, throwing it at harder mediums also would cut down on how much is absorbed. Resulting in a better ricochet.
You should keep one strap opposite of handle, that way it wouldn't roll on impact.
The idea of cap's shield is great, but definitely one that needs a little movie magic or unique materials to solidify. Really impressed with the outcome from a thin sheet steel variant though.
Yes, shield spinning the wrong way when hitting tree. Put Boromir on the other side of the tree and the rotation of the shield will spin faster rather than stop if done correctly. Thus bouncing off the tree rather than deadening the momentum of the shield off the tree.
Great video man, the audio is a little rough though.
I would wonder why not consider applying a layer of rubber to the rim if the goal was to have it bounce off the tree without warping or digging in? Also a small (possibly spherical) weight on the inside of the shield in the centre for stabilization in the air. Overall, I did enjoy this.
That intro was fire
Tyranth: i want to make it bounce! I don't know, i just want to see if i can!
Me: Do it and youll have a visa in 5 business days.
Super fun video. I'm surprised at how much I assumed would be outright impossible, was in fact possible.
Also... Nate. 😍
The core mistake in bouncing it off of a tree was the side you picked. throwing right arm, hit it on the right side -- that's how you maintain the aim and the natural spin. much like you would in billiards: you rarely ever apply the opposite spin to the natural motion.
throwing with right arm but hitting on the left of the tree is counterintuitive, if you don't open some angle (which would mean position like 2 steps to the left). that's the main reason you struggled hitting the trunk and bouncing it properly.
I wonder how it would have fared with a thicker/reinforced rim? It would have made it better for striking, and less energy would have gone into deforming the shield on impacts, possibly improving the chance for a ricochet shot.
Wowa blown out audio my man. Great video as always but wow loud asf.
TREE after several bashes: please kill me already! lol
Ya know, this is a very good video, and there is another TH-camr by the name of JLazervideo that made his own Captain America's Shield as well, however his is not steal like yours, but it does bounce off walls very well. If you make like a continuation of these tests then I recommend you give that video a watch, it is quite educational.
Cap's shield always reminded me of a smaller, but mightier version of the Greek Hoplite shield.
Poor Tony Stank. At this point your going to need to get him his own private dentist! 🤣
I thought that you did fairly well with these tests and about as well as can be expected, One thing to consider is that Cap has near or low end super human strength, so I think that could affect how well his shield would work doing the things he does in the movies. Of course, the fictional properties of vibranium would probably also affect how well the shield would work as a weapon.
So what's next? Iron Man's armor, Widows widow stings? Or maybe try to replicate Hawkey's bow and arrows and see if you can do some of the tricks that he does, although I imagine that exploding arrowheads might be out of the question.
"Low end" strength only applies to the movies. In the comics Steve is so strong that when he temporarily loses control of his strength, he rips out steel bulkheads like tearing a foil wrapper.
A lot of Caps tricks are due to the Vibranium makeup. As Peter Parker said "That thing does not obey the laws of physics at all!"
Great video. 😃
Digging the channel! When you doing wolverines claws, bub?
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The best part of Cap's shield isn't just that it is nearly indestructible, it's that it NULLIFIES kinetic impact and most forms of energy that hit it. With a normal shield, you block a hit and you have to deal with the knockback regardless of how tuff it is. If the hit has enough power behind it you could block the strike, have the shield take no damage because of how tough it is and STILL end up with a shattered arm. Hell, with a curved shield like Cap's made out of regular materials you even have to worry about block strikes being deflected into your face. Krammer did a good video on the subject when he analyzed Boromir's shield. Because Cap's shield is vibranium though all the blows that it blocks, even those that would normally deflect off of curved surfaces, instantly come to a stop and to Cap even a strike from Thor's hammer would feel like a feather blowing on the breeze. You really can't overstate how big an advantage that is over simply having a really durable shield like one made of adamantium.
Do riddicks knives please
so cap actually rarely ever throws the shield with his arms in the straps. i've personally done this test in some capacity as well, what cap does, is wear his shield on the left arm and when he wants the throw he grabs it with his right hand and throws it from the edge of the shield not the strap in any way. very rarely do they depict him throwing it with his arm in the straps still. just an interesting tidbit i thought i'd mention i found that this solves the issue with having leather straps for the grips