I always thought the blades should be designed more for stabbing since that the main thing they do. If I was an assassin, I'd want a my hidden blade to have a rondel dagger style blade. Long, stiff, slender, narrow cross-section, reinforced tip, intended to leave a NASTY wound. Optimised for lethality... Imo, how they would have been designed if they had been real in our history.
The original blade in AC was basically quite like this, more of a stilletto. I really liked that when I first saw it because like many I've always hated seeing blades punch through plate and maille. Spikes though... That's how lone Assassins did kill fully armoured knights 'back in the day' because it pretty much was the only viable way most of the time. They definitely made them considerably more slashy over time (in game I mean) which irked me a lot, but 'cool animations' and what not....
@@CoffeeFiend1 Altair's hidden blade is nothing like that. Its basically a straight bar like every other hidden blade. The only thing that makes it any better at stabbing is that it is a bit more slender.
I think that the one benefit of the hidden blade is that even though you are not attacking with it in natural movements for fighting, the movements that are being used to assassinate people in the game seem like more natural movements like putting your arm around someone's shoulder etc. A regular knife wouldn't make that look as natural. That being said, you would need the blade to extend with great force only when necessary and retract very powerfully so that it doesn't get stuck when trying to retract it.
A issue I don't think i touched on in the video is the face that once the blade is extended the amount of actual blade that is usable is quite small meaning a small dagger would accomplish more, so a small knife is very concealable , along with that is what happens if the blade was to get stuck in something its attached to the forearm
@@ScreenTested I think, biggest problem with implementation of idea of spring loaded hidden blade was the blade. It should have been very long thin spike that can fit through fist if needed for brawling or that can shoot from hyperextended wrist position and punch through material using only power of it's spring. It would require more technological and bulky mechanism, but at least it would have benefit over knife as a specific tool.
@@VK-sz4it You could also just have like... A spring loaded handheld knife if you really wanted. Have it largely hidden in your palm, push a button when you want it to shoot forward Tada.
@@ScreenTested I think that while everything you say is correct, you analyze the the weapon as "open combat" weapon. Hidden blade is not a weapon at all. It a _tool_ to assassinate people. It's VERY niche, and should be analyzed from that viewpoint. Situation A: "Social stealth" - you are in public, but not observed as such, for example - crowd. You employ non-threatening move, such as brushing someone while moving in crowd and stab with the blade in vulnerable area. Spring does all the work, you (your hand) don't move rapidly and suddenly, and do not draw an eye. You can carry spring knife in your sleeve, but you need to work to hide it, instead of split-second deploy/undeploy of hidden blade, that leaves you ostensibly with empty hand, and walking away before victim even reacts to sudden pain, "innocent". Works better when you dressed as a monk or a noble, and not a mercenary with half of city arsenal on him. Situation B: "Sneaking stealth". Best shown in games when you act as ambush predator from hiding place, but applicable to just sneaking up to someone. Hidden blade allows to stab and grab in exactly same motion (especially for old-school assassin with removed finger allowing to close the fist around the blade), to drag and hide body. If you do so with the knife, it takes one hand, making process a just a little bit slower, when every second counts. I think proper test would be making prop hidden blade that retracts when meets any resistance, and try to "stab and grab" a partner, and compare so similar process with a knife,
I'd like to address the comment about the knife not locking and how if it had a lock you might as well use a fixed blade. Out the front automatic knives (OTF's) do lock. They have a pretty clever locking mechanism that keeps the blade from sliding back when stabbing and I'd recommend looking into it. It wouldn't make any sense without a lock.
OTF styled hidden blades are among the most popular design, honestly, the most famous likely being Rawice511. These are also probably the _easiest_ design to make, as the other famous maker, Imdeepainreborn, has gone on to make geared versions that extend much father than most OTF style blades, but are _much_ more complicated!
In the original design there are actually 2 different mechanisms. One that opens the blade and engages a locking mechanism and then a second one that unlocks the lock and pulls the blade back. The spring are never used for the actual stabbing, in the game, especially when the attack is slowed down, the blade always opens before the stab :)
@barrackobama2422 yes, it was a chin under a helmet. But regardless, it's very difficult to stab through skin. Even modern OTF knives can't give more than a small surface level cut. So whatever mechanism Ezio was using is extremely strong
Well ironically there's a lot you've got wrong there. I've been designing them as a hobby for years now and I can tell you, the only thing I would agree with is the slicing and stabbing power, that's it. In-game hidden blades aren't usually spring loaded like that. They have more like a mechanical type system. They basically act like a additional limb, like a part of your body that extends and retracts all the way while you tell them to by flexing your arm or wrist muscles, not shoot out like a crossbow when you push a button with the other hand and then have to reload it again manually. They stay locked in both positions so you can stab with full force or hid it in your sleeve without risk of it flying out when you swing your arm or something. Thats a huge benefit over the fixblade because, as I tested it with my own designs, you can basically extend, stab and retract it in like one point something second with no problem and you do not have to use your other hand for it, it just works by twisting a wrist, you literally can have anything in that hand while you do it, even hold another knife and you wont waste any time trying to put it back in its sheath, it hides itself. And that is another benefit. The "officially licensed" ones aren't even that faithful to the games. Even the one that you used was much larger in the game, it was thinner and had bevels on the whole blade, not only on the edges like the shitty replicas so of cource whey would cut better. It was actually so long that they had to hide its model in the assassin's arm so it wouldn't stick out from the back. Thats why the telescopic blades exist. You can pack much more blade length into the shorter housing while folded comparing to the single piece blades that would have to be short or stick out from your wrist wich is stupid and uncomfortable. The replicas fail even with that. Oh and you wouldn't be even near cutting your finger off as it activates when you flick your wrist so there is no risk of misfire and you literally move your hand out of the blades way. Yes, they did show one such accident in the game with the canonically first ever usage of it on the underside of the arm but it makes no sense from the mechanical point of view, they just had to show it as it was mentioned in the earlier games. Of course it's not fully possible to recreate it in the real world but there are many substitute variants that for example use a string connected to a finger for the activation motion I just mentioned. Thats why there is so much fun while building them. There are no instructions for it, you have to figure it out all by yourself if you want it to work like in the games. Two creators that make them the best of all are Imdeepain Reborn and Rawice Creations. They have their own YT channels and they sell their hidden blades online. Go check them out
As someone who has also designed and made a semi functional model you are 100% correct (Btw the only reason the model failed was because it was made entirely of legos and 1 rubber band and just wasnt strong enough to stay put together for enough cycles) I have, hidden blade design THAT WORKS uses a pull ring which pulls the blade AGAINST a resist spring (to prevent negilent discharge) and a steel wire that pulls the blade through a slide... Imagine a hamp powered otf knife or hidden blade using the open palm technique that doesnt pull out till you do... I hope you have good pull out games ladies and gents... Good night
Would have liked to have had 50% of the video on the explanation and build, and 50% of the video actually with you doing the testing. Its always fun to be out there with you hearing thoughts as you do fun things with your creations. Liked, shared, subscribed.
The balance of percentage of testing, build , explaining will probably take a while to get just right and it also it kinda has to work for each individual video
Totally understand, it was still a great video. Entertaining and very high production value. I just want to see the channel rocket to success, so thought I'd provide some feedback. I know how hard you work at these videos after all. Keep it up!@@ScreenTested
Dude this is great!! I've seen some other channels do stuff like this, but most of their backgrounds are in practical effects or some kind of engineering. But to see this kind of project tackled from the perspective of an arms expert such as yourself adds such a cool twist! not only are you interested in making it functional, but you are also focused on making it effective!
While I definitely agree that a knife is better for a fight, I also think that you glossed over the main function of the hidden blade. It's designed for assassination not direct combat. (Yes I do know that assassins use them in direct combat in the games but you can use an ice pick in combat as well. It's not designed for it but it can be used in that way.) The function of the hidden blade is to kill in a subtle way. Such as grasping someone's shoulder then firing it into their carotid artery. The design of the hidden blade allows you to reach into someone's personal space with limited resistance, while ensuring they don't rise their guard. However I did enjoy watching the video! Keep up the great work!
I loved the video! Awesome to see a new series:) Thought a fun idea could be to have a visual slider on screen for the rating system at the end, that you could place each weapon or tool on, and then you could easily compare to previous videos in the future.
A knife also weighs less then the hidden blade thing. Also, for assassins, they may want to discard their weapon to hid in the crowd. A knife would get less blood on their sleeve then the hidden blade and it's not tied to them. Lastly, throwing. An assassin would probably throw a weapon as a distraction to enable their escape if needed.
.....This reminds me of a gun that was issued during WWII which attached to a glove and went off when you punched someone. It can be hidden and really effective at killing people at close range. The problem in the blood from the victim gets all over the assassin royally blowing a person's cover. No matter how conceable you make the device or how effective it is, the fist gun and AC wrist will that problem since it is attached to the assasin, making to dispose of the murder weapon and a high likihood you'll to dispose of your clothes.
@@PJDAltamirus0425 The only arm/wrist mounted weapon I thought was good idea was a mini crossbow with needle dart. Keep you distance, tuck it away, poison if needed, and it shoots a dart/ needle so not a lot of blood. But it would still work if Not attached to the arm.
@@1stCallipostle I don't know about Valhalla or other Assassins Creed games newer than Odyssey, but...in the pre-Origins Assassins Creed there's literally zero weapons better than the hidden blade. Period. None of them can be used for an instant-kill-chain as easily as a hidden blade, though admittedly there are enemies in some games that are immune to that. If you use a hidden blade for regular attacks then you're using them wrong. In Origins and Odyssey, if I remember correctly, the hidden blade was still a superb weapon even in regular fight, though due to the more RPG mechanics it would lose its superiority if you cannot use it for, you know...assassination.
You looked like a maniac when stabbing that water bottle. I don’t mean that in a negative way. 😅 Good video format, love the mix of game geekiness, realistic perspective, actually making things!
Great work, Tyranth! Best of luck with the new channel - I like the idea of seeing work done on the weapons. Any thoughts on using a wrist-mounted spring SHEATH to pop a fixed blade into your hand? Not as an attack, but as a way to hide and quickly draw a weapon? Steampunk awesomeness, or a great way to slit your own wrists?
Didn't realise this channel existed but was recommended to me so that's encouraging in terms of algorithm for the channel :). Nice job with the vid, really enjoyed it.
Tyranth, I'll say it, totally expecting backlash. Your content is better than knights watch and Shadiverstiy. Simply because you're non-biased in the videos. Keep it up man. Love the work.
Awesome! Just found out you have channel man! Since you've already covered double bladed swords could you talk about the War Glaives from world of Warcraft? Their design is ridiculous so it would be cool too see you cover them
yeah even the people who made hidden blade props dont know how to make it properly. so easily fixable that its funny. also as a parkourist.. it works much better Eivor style(on top of the wrist) than under the wrist. ALSO in game they are gravity.. not spring loaded.(they made these toys cheaply lol) Gravity with two safety systems i should say. they trigger not only from gravity but from specific forearm muscle tensing (some weird alien tech bs lore wise)
I always thought this would be amazing Till I remembered that people bleed. Meaning if you stab someone, a bloody blade is going back in the chamber and it'll ruin the mechanism. Also blood on your hands and sleeve
A pretty good and entertaining video, congratulations. I also saw the video with Shad and nate, and i think you guys get one thing wrong: you have to truly train and get used to the blade where it is, under the forearm, you constantly want to go Wolverine with it, closing the fist to hit. You have to do like rikishi (sumo) palm slaps and let the blade do its work.
great video! I do agree as a stabber it does well. I had thought that a non-spring blade that you manually extended in a track on a brace or gauntlet would work better. It is not the original concept, might work better as a future upgrade to to the blade if it ever gets revisited.
I agree with your points but interms of having a locking mechanism being analogous to a fixed blade i think the point of having it retract is to act as a sheath where as the ficed one is always exposed
As a prelude--I didn't read any but the most recent comments, so there is that. First, you did a very credible job working up this video...including the mods, the tests and the analysis. Second, a couple of thoughts. An aluminum blade could be used--based on a T6 or 6066, both of which are used in knife making, or perhaps a san-mai blade, which likely could be forged to meet the size/weight parameters. You are correct that the fuller (the groove in the center) was for weight reduction. As for the use of the word GLAVE to describe the weapon...again, you are correct. Traditionally, the glave is a curved pole weapon, though, in some uses (poetry, notably), it was used to denote a short sword and occasionally a two-bladed "knife". One source seems to indicate KRULL sorta expanded that concept to the KRULL quint switchblade, fusing a throwing star with a boomerang. So, overall...I'd rank this video...well, a 10 out of 10.
I'd definitely like to see optimized versions of these weapons somewhere down the line. I personally think a system involving tension and the extention of the arm would be a (difficult but) more plausible version to create a stable and truly subtle weapon for assassination purposes
TH-cam recommendations was actually doing it's job for once. Funnily enough, I just finished listening to the Shadiversity video y'all uploaded today. I'll have to watch this vid tomorrow though. It's past midnight, and I gotta get some sleep.
What are your thoughts on spring loaded knives like out the front or side opening automatic pocket knives? Not allowed in Australia but the ones I own like the microtech ultratech are quite safe and would be hard pressed to go off accidentally
Imo, folding switchblades are kinda dumb, you can get it open just as fast manually, but otf switchblades are great, you can open and use it without adjusting your grip, there's zero risk of cutting yourself closing them, and they're less likely to open by themselves than some folders
In the ‘Star Trek’ shows, the Klingons used a ‘Bar’leth’, a two hand held big crescent weapon, which was actually too dangerous to use in real life, because the design insured that you kept cutting yourself whenever you used it!
I think using the thickness of the prop is a bad way of making a real version. When translating things from one material to another, the proportions may change. Hard rubber or foam is not as strong as iron or steal so ofcorse the prop will have a thick blade. You know the chalamasil replica Imperius is thicker than the sword is in the book. So in the future keep that in mind.
It's funny that you said the Hidden Blade would do well if it was attached to a gauntlet considering that's precisely what Shad gave Daylen in Shadow of the Conqueror - a gauntlet with a Hidden Blade inside, so that Hidden Blade doesn't dislodge or get broken if it takes a hit, since it's inside the gauntlet. I'd love to see you test a replica of that gauntlet, and how you feel it improves the combat capabilities of the Hidden Blade considering it won't slide off your forearm, will be protected, and will likely have a heavier trigger considering those were things you mentioned.
i remember some kid, like 10 years ago, that made a spingloaded hidden blade with a dual action mechanism with a string attached to a finger, using drawer slider hardware and other stuff... it looked pretty neat and dangerous... i wonder if the video is still on youtube
I’m glad to have found this channel, just one question though. Will you continue to do these types of videos with shad still or will all of those types of videos move to this channel?
I feel like a push dagger or some sort of fist held spike would do the exact same thing as a hidden blade, while also being just as concealable. Hell, making an apparatus that just springed a dagger into your hand like Connor’s from AC3 is more useful.
Seems to me it would work a lot better without the spring, just a simple latch and catch so you manually slide it foward and lock it in position would be almost as fast as a spring load without the con's and keep the concealed specialist purpose of the weapon
considering it's basically thrusting only, how about using a square stiletto like blade? it would definitely safen it for the user, probably make it more durable/lightweigth and maybe improve stabbing capabilities too.
...... For Assasins in specifically, a think a sewing awl, or a large nail of chisel, you aren't a killer, your sewer or a statute carver. Hard to hurt did a video praising as reason for having a screwdriver as a self defense weapon for that reason.
Honestly they wrist blade would be effective as an emergency fall back option. For example if someone disarmed you and you might not have time to reach down for a sheave. Or if they were preforming a take down that would make using a longer weapon less maneuverable. It's use as a primary weapon is limited but an little unexpected plan c can be very deadly. Especially if you were a grappler by trade
Glad you enjoyed , it was the first episode alot I’ve already tried to make even better for the upcoming ones hopefully it just keeps getting better 👍🏼
Nice work I would add : with a knife, you can add more lever and energy, because you use your hand. While with this, you only use your forearm. It's not, by design, the most efficient way to use a weapon. But, hey, it's cool.
So glad to see you have your own channel now, hope it gives you room to flourish and I look forward to seeing more! Broadly you're right on all of your points. Suggestion being is it might fit more securely fully strapped to a well fitted gauntlet (and protect the fingies!) couldn't slide up the arm then - but it is a slight step away from cannon. It'd basically be a push dagger only without a handle per-say. Still be a terrible cutter/slasher though Only one thing you got wrong... Al-uh-min-yum Not A-looOOOoooOOOOoOOOO-min-um Best of luck with the new channel!
In Assassin's Creed Brotherhood multiplayer, there is one character that does have a type of hidden blade on the top of her wrist instead of the bottom, and it folds instead of extending...
Little bit of Assassin’s Creed lore. Hidden blades were actually originally meant to be worn on the top of the wrist. In the games lore, it’s explained that Bayek in AC origins wore it incorrectly on the underside of his wrist and then it cut his finger off upon deployment of the blade. Afterwards they decided to make a “commitment” by cutting off their finger. TLDR; hidden blades were designed to be used like Tyranth was using it, on the top of the wrist and because of “reasons” people just kept using it incorrectly with the blade on the underside of the wrist, despite them having to cut off their own finger to use it lol
Great first video on the new channel. Looking forward to the next project. That last part.... 🤣 Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
A wrist sheath for a quick pull, stab, and hide for a fixed blade would be at least in my opinion a better option than something or anything on a spring.
I noticed you used quite a few different camera angles/scenes and recalled that in the "Lets TALK about 2023" video you said this often was more effort than it was worth due to editing and setup. Have you found a way to make this easier? was it more due to having some spare time? did you just believe it was worth it? or am i imagining things. Great video btw.
Nope still just as much work For multiple cameras etc Its just I can justify putting that type of effort into a video like this instead of a meme review or something like that haha.
1) The entire device would HAVE to be incorporated into a gauntlet where the fingers are solidly added to the glove. REASON: if you stab (as you've made the blade too thick to slash) the mount can not work with a arm guard because you'd need to cut off circulation to keep the guard from sliding back effectively eliminating the stabbing force. 2) The length of blade left within the device track has to be substantial so the blade is held stable in the direction of the attack (play/movement reduces it's ability to penetrate & increases chance of bending/snapping the blade) 3) Having the Device on the inside of the arm is a good way to ram a blade through your hand & break your wrist since you'd be doing a punching action with your wrist bent back to avoid the former.
Id like to say a few things, also i have a hudden blade mechanism i believe youd like. I didnt make the design but i can print it our and send it to you for review! 1, thwt hidden blade isnt designed to be a real weapon. All hidden blades other than the first hidden blade (i believe, that one is weird) are duel action and seem to need your hand up and out of the way 2, most hidden blades arent thrown forward with just a spring. Altier for example was a sissor jack mechenism and alot of following hidden blades are either a system using gears or an otf mechanism 3, yes, hidden blades arent meant for combat. They are meant to always have a weapon on you to easily and discretly deploy and hide when killing someone. And last, most hidden blades do attatch to a gauntlet to be much more secure
Yeah if I were to have a hidden blade I'd basically want a poniard running the length of my forearm, not spring loaded but where with the right movement I could have it drop down to be grasped in hand, use, then re-insert into a hidden sheathe on the forearm.
yeah, i found the Valhalla blade better personally. i think its just cooler. but also for practical purposes, its just a superior method, cause like you said, you canput more OOMPH behind the hit. also, less chance to hurt yourself. now, the downside is, its harder to hide. the advantage of the underside is that the mechanism is easier to hide, which i think is the idea.
I always thought the blades should be designed more for stabbing since that the main thing they do. If I was an assassin, I'd want a my hidden blade to have a rondel dagger style blade. Long, stiff, slender, narrow cross-section, reinforced tip, intended to leave a NASTY wound. Optimised for lethality... Imo, how they would have been designed if they had been real in our history.
The original blade in AC was basically quite like this, more of a stilletto. I really liked that when I first saw it because like many I've always hated seeing blades punch through plate and maille. Spikes though... That's how lone Assassins did kill fully armoured knights 'back in the day' because it pretty much was the only viable way most of the time. They definitely made them considerably more slashy over time (in game I mean) which irked me a lot, but 'cool animations' and what not....
@@CoffeeFiend1 Altair's hidden blade is nothing like that. Its basically a straight bar like every other hidden blade. The only thing that makes it any better at stabbing is that it is a bit more slender.
Stabbing? I see you miss spelled SLASHING.
@@xxxlonewolf49 Nah, Slashing with that weapon is dumb and FAR less lethal.
@@RainMakeR_Workshop That weapons? I agree, but you said blades. And blades were made to cut/slash.
That last 5 seconds murdered me. LMAO. "GET IN THERE!!!"
I think that the one benefit of the hidden blade is that even though you are not attacking with it in natural movements for fighting, the movements that are being used to assassinate people in the game seem like more natural movements like putting your arm around someone's shoulder etc. A regular knife wouldn't make that look as natural. That being said, you would need the blade to extend with great force only when necessary and retract very powerfully so that it doesn't get stuck when trying to retract it.
A issue I don't think i touched on in the video is the face that once the blade is extended the amount of actual blade that is usable is quite small meaning a small dagger would accomplish more, so a small knife is very concealable , along with that is what happens if the blade was to get stuck in something its attached to the forearm
@@ScreenTested I think, biggest problem with implementation of idea of spring loaded hidden blade was the blade. It should have been very long thin spike that can fit through fist if needed for brawling or that can shoot from hyperextended wrist position and punch through material using only power of it's spring. It would require more technological and bulky mechanism, but at least it would have benefit over knife as a specific tool.
@@VK-sz4it You could also just have like... A spring loaded handheld knife if you really wanted.
Have it largely hidden in your palm, push a button when you want it to shoot forward
Tada.
@@1stCallipostle Carefull, at that pace we'd come to coclusion that all you need is rondel dagger and proper dexterity to conceal it.
@@ScreenTested I think that while everything you say is correct, you analyze the the weapon as "open combat" weapon. Hidden blade is not a weapon at all. It a _tool_ to assassinate people. It's VERY niche, and should be analyzed from that viewpoint.
Situation A: "Social stealth" - you are in public, but not observed as such, for example - crowd. You employ non-threatening move, such as brushing someone while moving in crowd and stab with the blade in vulnerable area. Spring does all the work, you (your hand) don't move rapidly and suddenly, and do not draw an eye. You can carry spring knife in your sleeve, but you need to work to hide it, instead of split-second deploy/undeploy of hidden blade, that leaves you ostensibly with empty hand, and walking away before victim even reacts to sudden pain, "innocent". Works better when you dressed as a monk or a noble, and not a mercenary with half of city arsenal on him.
Situation B: "Sneaking stealth". Best shown in games when you act as ambush predator from hiding place, but applicable to just sneaking up to someone. Hidden blade allows to stab and grab in exactly same motion (especially for old-school assassin with removed finger allowing to close the fist around the blade), to drag and hide body. If you do so with the knife, it takes one hand, making process a just a little bit slower, when every second counts.
I think proper test would be making prop hidden blade that retracts when meets any resistance, and try to "stab and grab" a partner, and compare so similar process with a knife,
I'd like to address the comment about the knife not locking and how if it had a lock you might as well use a fixed blade. Out the front automatic knives (OTF's) do lock. They have a pretty clever locking mechanism that keeps the blade from sliding back when stabbing and I'd recommend looking into it. It wouldn't make any sense without a lock.
OTF styled hidden blades are among the most popular design, honestly, the most famous likely being Rawice511. These are also probably the _easiest_ design to make, as the other famous maker, Imdeepainreborn, has gone on to make geared versions that extend much father than most OTF style blades, but are _much_ more complicated!
@SliceyMcBreadmaker yup 100% my desgin is also an otf blade design however mine is hamp powered
In the original design there are actually 2 different mechanisms. One that opens the blade and engages a locking mechanism and then a second one that unlocks the lock and pulls the blade back. The spring are never used for the actual stabbing, in the game, especially when the attack is slowed down, the blade always opens before the stab :)
The spring force is used in AC2 during the assassination of Jacopo di Pazzi. Ezio stabs a guard through the chin during a quick-time event.
@@MostlyToys If I remember correctly, wasn't that a lightly armored spot?
@barrackobama2422 yes, it was a chin under a helmet. But regardless, it's very difficult to stab through skin. Even modern OTF knives can't give more than a small surface level cut. So whatever mechanism Ezio was using is extremely strong
I am so happy for you Tyrant, I love your testing videos with Shad and Nathan.
Well ironically there's a lot you've got wrong there. I've been designing them as a hobby for years now and I can tell you, the only thing I would agree with is the slicing and stabbing power, that's it. In-game hidden blades aren't usually spring loaded like that. They have more like a mechanical type system. They basically act like a additional limb, like a part of your body that extends and retracts all the way while you tell them to by flexing your arm or wrist muscles, not shoot out like a crossbow when you push a button with the other hand and then have to reload it again manually. They stay locked in both positions so you can stab with full force or hid it in your sleeve without risk of it flying out when you swing your arm or something. Thats a huge benefit over the fixblade because, as I tested it with my own designs, you can basically extend, stab and retract it in like one point something second with no problem and you do not have to use your other hand for it, it just works by twisting a wrist, you literally can have anything in that hand while you do it, even hold another knife and you wont waste any time trying to put it back in its sheath, it hides itself. And that is another benefit. The "officially licensed" ones aren't even that faithful to the games. Even the one that you used was much larger in the game, it was thinner and had bevels on the whole blade, not only on the edges like the shitty replicas so of cource whey would cut better. It was actually so long that they had to hide its model in the assassin's arm so it wouldn't stick out from the back. Thats why the telescopic blades exist. You can pack much more blade length into the shorter housing while folded comparing to the single piece blades that would have to be short or stick out from your wrist wich is stupid and uncomfortable. The replicas fail even with that. Oh and you wouldn't be even near cutting your finger off as it activates when you flick your wrist so there is no risk of misfire and you literally move your hand out of the blades way. Yes, they did show one such accident in the game with the canonically first ever usage of it on the underside of the arm but it makes no sense from the mechanical point of view, they just had to show it as it was mentioned in the earlier games. Of course it's not fully possible to recreate it in the real world but there are many substitute variants that for example use a string connected to a finger for the activation motion I just mentioned. Thats why there is so much fun while building them. There are no instructions for it, you have to figure it out all by yourself if you want it to work like in the games. Two creators that make them the best of all are Imdeepain Reborn and Rawice Creations. They have their own YT channels and they sell their hidden blades online. Go check them out
As someone who has also designed and made a semi functional model you are 100% correct
(Btw the only reason the model failed was because it was made entirely of legos and 1 rubber band and just wasnt strong enough to stay put together for enough cycles)
I have, hidden blade design THAT WORKS uses a pull ring which pulls the blade AGAINST a resist spring (to prevent negilent discharge) and a steel wire that pulls the blade through a slide...
Imagine a hamp powered otf knife or hidden blade using the open palm technique that doesnt pull out till you do...
I hope you have good pull out games ladies and gents...
Good night
If you're going to just stab with it might as well just go with a spike. Like some late 19th and early 20th century bayonets.
Love it! I hope this channel takes off 🙌
Lost it at the end lmao, definitely wasn't expecting it
the sad attempts to whistle are so relatable D;
Would have liked to have had 50% of the video on the explanation and build, and 50% of the video actually with you doing the testing. Its always fun to be out there with you hearing thoughts as you do fun things with your creations. Liked, shared, subscribed.
The balance of percentage of testing, build , explaining will probably take a while to get just right and it also it kinda has to work for each individual video
Totally understand, it was still a great video. Entertaining and very high production value. I just want to see the channel rocket to success, so thought I'd provide some feedback. I know how hard you work at these videos after all. Keep it up!@@ScreenTested
I so love the 80's intro! ^^
Thanks for your content!
Dude this is great!! I've seen some other channels do stuff like this, but most of their backgrounds are in practical effects or some kind of engineering. But to see this kind of project tackled from the perspective of an arms expert such as yourself adds such a cool twist! not only are you interested in making it functional, but you are also focused on making it effective!
Remember that the blade is only thick because you can guard with it. It's a stabbing not slashing weapon.
A blade that would make DaVinci proud.
Awesome first video man. Looking forward to what you’ve got in store for the future!
Keep it up man! I love to see the behind the scenes connection to the larger channel
Good to see you shine in your own content Tyranth
A great first video for your new channel! Best of luck to you in this endeavor!
While I definitely agree that a knife is better for a fight, I also think that you glossed over the main function of the hidden blade. It's designed for assassination not direct combat. (Yes I do know that assassins use them in direct combat in the games but you can use an ice pick in combat as well. It's not designed for it but it can be used in that way.) The function of the hidden blade is to kill in a subtle way. Such as grasping someone's shoulder then firing it into their carotid artery. The design of the hidden blade allows you to reach into someone's personal space with limited resistance, while ensuring they don't rise their guard. However I did enjoy watching the video! Keep up the great work!
that's why they are so thick. to block swords.
but even in the games they show them break from that sometimes
The hidden blade is designed in video games. Because they're video games. I also think you glossed over the fact that video games are fiction.
I thought it was excellent how you just flowed right into it and that clip at the end was priceless!
I loved the video! Awesome to see a new series:) Thought a fun idea could be to have a visual slider on screen for the rating system at the end, that you could place each weapon or tool on, and then you could easily compare to previous videos in the future.
A knife also weighs less then the hidden blade thing. Also, for assassins, they may want to discard their weapon to hid in the crowd. A knife would get less blood on their sleeve then the hidden blade and it's not tied to them. Lastly, throwing. An assassin would probably throw a weapon as a distraction to enable their escape if needed.
Most of them have a normal knife too...
And it's usually better in gameplay.
.....This reminds me of a gun that was issued during WWII which attached to a glove and went off when you punched someone. It can be hidden and really effective at killing people at close range. The problem in the blood from the victim gets all over the assassin royally blowing a person's cover. No matter how conceable you make the device or how effective it is, the fist gun and AC wrist will that problem since it is attached to the assasin, making to dispose of the murder weapon and a high likihood you'll to dispose of your clothes.
@@PJDAltamirus0425 The only arm/wrist mounted weapon I thought was good idea was a mini crossbow with needle dart. Keep you distance, tuck it away, poison if needed, and it shoots a dart/ needle so not a lot of blood. But it would still work if Not attached to the arm.
@@1stCallipostle I don't know about Valhalla or other Assassins Creed games newer than Odyssey, but...in the pre-Origins Assassins Creed there's literally zero weapons better than the hidden blade. Period. None of them can be used for an instant-kill-chain as easily as a hidden blade, though admittedly there are enemies in some games that are immune to that. If you use a hidden blade for regular attacks then you're using them wrong.
In Origins and Odyssey, if I remember correctly, the hidden blade was still a superb weapon even in regular fight, though due to the more RPG mechanics it would lose its superiority if you cannot use it for, you know...assassination.
By order of the Holy Ordos of the Inquisition, you have to test chainswords someday
You looked like a maniac when stabbing that water bottle. I don’t mean that in a negative way. 😅
Good video format, love the mix of game geekiness, realistic perspective, actually making things!
Glad to see you doing this content!!! I was really into the mixing of katana/longsword stuff you're doing. Great work brother 👍 keep it up
Hello mate. Glad to see you have another channel. Good luck with it. Very cool idea
Great work, Tyranth! Best of luck with the new channel - I like the idea of seeing work done on the weapons.
Any thoughts on using a wrist-mounted spring SHEATH to pop a fixed blade into your hand? Not as an attack, but as a way to hide and quickly draw a weapon? Steampunk awesomeness, or a great way to slit your own wrists?
Didn't realise this channel existed but was recommended to me so that's encouraging in terms of algorithm for the channel :). Nice job with the vid, really enjoyed it.
Stumbled upon this treasure trove of a channel. Coming from Shadiversity to show love for this channel as well!
Tyranth, I'll say it, totally expecting backlash. Your content is better than knights watch and Shadiverstiy. Simply because you're non-biased in the videos. Keep it up man. Love the work.
Awesome! Just found out you have channel man! Since you've already covered double bladed swords could you talk about the War Glaives from world of Warcraft? Their design is ridiculous so it would be cool too see you cover them
yeah even the people who made hidden blade props dont know how to make it properly. so easily fixable that its funny.
also as a parkourist.. it works much better Eivor style(on top of the wrist) than under the wrist.
ALSO in game they are gravity.. not spring loaded.(they made these toys cheaply lol) Gravity with two safety systems i should say. they trigger not only from gravity but from specific forearm muscle tensing (some weird alien tech bs lore wise)
I always thought this would be amazing
Till I remembered that people bleed. Meaning if you stab someone, a bloody blade is going back in the chamber and it'll ruin the mechanism.
Also blood on your hands and sleeve
Thats a Very good point That I wish I mentioned haha
It might not immediately ruin the mechanism, but it's probably not great to have it gunked up.
And cleaning it out would be a pain
Well done Tyranth! Good luck!
4:00 just wanted to say that Eivor did solve that issue by putting it on the top their forearm, however it’s less concealable that way.
A pretty good and entertaining video, congratulations. I also saw the video with Shad and nate, and i think you guys get one thing wrong: you have to truly train and get used to the blade where it is, under the forearm, you constantly want to go Wolverine with it, closing the fist to hit. You have to do like rikishi (sumo) palm slaps and let the blade do its work.
great video!
I do agree as a stabber it does well. I had thought that a non-spring blade that you manually extended in a track on a brace or gauntlet would work better. It is not the original concept, might work better as a future upgrade to to the blade if it ever gets revisited.
I agree with your points but interms of having a locking mechanism being analogous to a fixed blade i think the point of having it retract is to act as a sheath where as the ficed one is always exposed
Great firts video Tyranth!I wish you well in your new channel.
As a prelude--I didn't read any but the most recent comments, so there is that. First, you did a very credible job working up this video...including the mods, the tests and the analysis. Second, a couple of thoughts. An aluminum blade could be used--based on a T6 or 6066, both of which are used in knife making, or perhaps a san-mai blade, which likely could be forged to meet the size/weight parameters. You are correct that the fuller (the groove in the center) was for weight reduction.
As for the use of the word GLAVE to describe the weapon...again, you are correct. Traditionally, the glave is a curved pole weapon, though, in some uses (poetry, notably), it was used to denote a short sword and occasionally a two-bladed "knife". One source seems to indicate KRULL sorta expanded that concept to the KRULL quint switchblade, fusing a throwing star with a boomerang. So, overall...I'd rank this video...well, a 10 out of 10.
Great vid. You can tell a lot of passion and effort went into it.
I love stuff like this . Good luck ! Been a fan of shad for years...but you have been my favorite for some time.
I'd definitely like to see optimized versions of these weapons somewhere down the line.
I personally think a system involving tension and the extention of the arm would be a (difficult but) more plausible version to create a stable and truly subtle weapon for assassination purposes
TH-cam recommendations was actually doing it's job for once. Funnily enough, I just finished listening to the Shadiversity video y'all uploaded today. I'll have to watch this vid tomorrow though. It's past midnight, and I gotta get some sleep.
Amazing work man, good to see you guys branching out 👌
I am glad to have this video popped up in my timeline since I like Tyranth and had no idea he had a channel on his own
What are your thoughts on spring loaded knives like out the front or side opening automatic pocket knives? Not allowed in Australia but the ones I own like the microtech ultratech are quite safe and would be hard pressed to go off accidentally
Imo, folding switchblades are kinda dumb, you can get it open just as fast manually, but otf switchblades are great, you can open and use it without adjusting your grip, there's zero risk of cutting yourself closing them, and they're less likely to open by themselves than some folders
Oh, and it's usually safer to have a double edge otf than a double edged folder because both edges are covered when the otf is closed
Saw the episode on Shad, came to subscribe! Best of luck with the cahnnel! looking forward to each new episode!
Oh snap, Whattup Tyranth. Good to see you making more content!
How about Corvo's folding sword from Dishonored? That would make such a cool project!
That's already been done and tested by another youtuber.
@@Immopimmoso had the hidden blade. arguably done to death
In the ‘Star Trek’ shows, the Klingons used a ‘Bar’leth’, a two hand held big crescent weapon, which was actually too dangerous to use in real life, because the design insured that you kept cutting yourself whenever you used it!
Groovy. Striking out on your own. Content like this is rite up my alley
Neat idea and opener for the new channel!
If I did one I would want to it be something over the top and ridiculous
I think using the thickness of the prop is a bad way of making a real version. When translating things from one material to another, the proportions may change. Hard rubber or foam is not as strong as iron or steal so ofcorse the prop will have a thick blade. You know the chalamasil replica Imperius is thicker than the sword is in the book. So in the future keep that in mind.
nice channel well done looking forward to more in the future
The main problem is the replica toys are just that, toys. The mechanics are not the same. It’s like comparing a glock to a nerf gun.
I wonder how sensitive the spring mechanism is to fluids?
It's funny that you said the Hidden Blade would do well if it was attached to a gauntlet considering that's precisely what Shad gave Daylen in Shadow of the Conqueror - a gauntlet with a Hidden Blade inside, so that Hidden Blade doesn't dislodge or get broken if it takes a hit, since it's inside the gauntlet. I'd love to see you test a replica of that gauntlet, and how you feel it improves the combat capabilities of the Hidden Blade considering it won't slide off your forearm, will be protected, and will likely have a heavier trigger considering those were things you mentioned.
i remember some kid, like 10 years ago, that made a spingloaded hidden blade with a dual action mechanism with a string attached to a finger, using drawer slider hardware and other stuff... it looked pretty neat and dangerous... i wonder if the video is still on youtube
Good First Episode! Thank you
I’m glad to have found this channel, just one question though. Will you continue to do these types of videos with shad still or will all of those types of videos move to this channel?
I feel like a push dagger or some sort of fist held spike would do the exact same thing as a hidden blade, while also being just as concealable. Hell, making an apparatus that just springed a dagger into your hand like Connor’s from AC3 is more useful.
The last second rabbit punches made this video for me😂
Seems to me it would work a lot better without the spring, just a simple latch and catch so you manually slide it foward and lock it in position would be almost as fast as a spring load without the con's and keep the concealed specialist purpose of the weapon
I like this idea for the new TH-cam channel. Keen to see more videos like this one! That ending was great.
Opening gag got my monke brian good
Looking forward to more builds and videos!
I've been waiting for this video! I've wanted a "real" assassin's creed blade since highschool. Awesome job Tyranth! (Editing is top notch btw 😉)
Glad you enjoyed it man ,I saw you also leveled up your game with a new cam , I like it 👍🏼
considering it's basically thrusting only, how about using a square stiletto like blade?
it would definitely safen it for the user, probably make it more durable/lightweigth and maybe improve stabbing capabilities too.
...... For Assasins in specifically, a think a sewing awl, or a large nail of chisel, you aren't a killer, your sewer or a statute carver. Hard to hurt did a video praising as reason for having a screwdriver as a self defense weapon for that reason.
About knife... in Assassins creed 3, hidden blade are actually small knife which Connor can hold in his offhand in fight and use as knife
It's a pair of blades I think in that game.
One was attached, one wasn't?
Either way, the Dirk was flat better so I didn't use them much
Nice to see you doing your own stuff
Honestly they wrist blade would be effective as an emergency fall back option. For example if someone disarmed you and you might not have time to reach down for a sheave. Or if they were preforming a take down that would make using a longer weapon less maneuverable. It's use as a primary weapon is limited but an little unexpected plan c can be very deadly. Especially if you were a grappler by trade
What a great video to start the channel with!
Glad you enjoyed , it was the first episode alot I’ve already tried to make even better for the upcoming ones hopefully it just keeps getting better 👍🏼
Can't wait for what's to come. 👊@@ScreenTested
Nice to see you
Nice work
I would add : with a knife, you can add more lever and energy, because you use your hand. While with this, you only use your forearm.
It's not, by design, the most efficient way to use a weapon.
But, hey, it's cool.
Great video Tyranth
So glad to see you have your own channel now, hope it gives you room to flourish and I look forward to seeing more!
Broadly you're right on all of your points. Suggestion being is it might fit more securely fully strapped to a well fitted gauntlet (and protect the fingies!) couldn't slide up the arm then - but it is a slight step away from cannon. It'd basically be a push dagger only without a handle per-say. Still be a terrible cutter/slasher though
Only one thing you got wrong... Al-uh-min-yum
Not A-looOOOoooOOOOoOOOO-min-um
Best of luck with the new channel!
You know what would be a cooler type weapon to try out along with his armor? Fulgore and his quad blades from Killer Instinct.
Looking forward to the builds.
In Assassin's Creed Brotherhood multiplayer, there is one character that does have a type of hidden blade on the top of her wrist instead of the bottom, and it folds instead of extending...
Little bit of Assassin’s Creed lore. Hidden blades were actually originally meant to be worn on the top of the wrist. In the games lore, it’s explained that Bayek in AC origins wore it incorrectly on the underside of his wrist and then it cut his finger off upon deployment of the blade. Afterwards they decided to make a “commitment” by cutting off their finger.
TLDR; hidden blades were designed to be used like Tyranth was using it, on the top of the wrist and because of “reasons” people just kept using it incorrectly with the blade on the underside of the wrist, despite them having to cut off their own finger to use it lol
The book describes two different kinds of hidden blades, one with a spring lock mechanism and one with a slide block mechanism.
Great first video on the new channel. Looking forward to the next project. That last part.... 🤣 Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
When entering a party with an important official, knifes and daggers would be confiscated, but bracers wouldn't, thus hidden blade is superior.
A wrist sheath for a quick pull, stab, and hide for a fixed blade would be at least in my opinion a better option than something or anything on a spring.
I noticed you used quite a few different camera angles/scenes and recalled that in the "Lets TALK about 2023" video you said this often was more effort than it was worth due to editing and setup. Have you found a way to make this easier? was it more due to having some spare time? did you just believe it was worth it? or am i imagining things.
Great video btw.
Nope still just as much work For multiple cameras etc Its just I can justify putting that type of effort into a video like this instead of a meme review or something like that haha.
I am one minute in and the idea behind this has already made me a sub.
HA! That ending was great😂. You got my like and subscribe!
i also think for the idea of the hidden blade its important to include the bracers they always mount them to. its integral to the ergonomics
you should experiment with fixed elbow blades too.
thanks for the video!
Randomly found this on my feed, subscribed before watching
1) The entire device would HAVE to be incorporated into a gauntlet where the fingers are solidly added to the glove. REASON: if you stab (as you've made the blade too thick to slash) the mount can not work with a arm guard because you'd need to cut off circulation to keep the guard from sliding back effectively eliminating the stabbing force. 2) The length of blade left within the device track has to be substantial so the blade is held stable in the direction of the attack (play/movement reduces it's ability to penetrate & increases chance of bending/snapping the blade) 3) Having the Device on the inside of the arm is a good way to ram a blade through your hand & break your wrist since you'd be doing a punching action with your wrist bent back to avoid the former.
Apparently I'm a minority, but I agree with your points, regardless of how cool an arm mounted stabby thing is
Can you do Corvo's folding blade from Dishonored?
Id like to say a few things, also i have a hudden blade mechanism i believe youd like. I didnt make the design but i can print it our and send it to you for review!
1, thwt hidden blade isnt designed to be a real weapon. All hidden blades other than the first hidden blade (i believe, that one is weird) are duel action and seem to need your hand up and out of the way
2, most hidden blades arent thrown forward with just a spring. Altier for example was a sissor jack mechenism and alot of following hidden blades are either a system using gears or an otf mechanism
3, yes, hidden blades arent meant for combat. They are meant to always have a weapon on you to easily and discretly deploy and hide when killing someone.
And last, most hidden blades do attatch to a gauntlet to be much more secure
That first 5 seconds had me laughing as hard as watching Elf 😂
That part at the end , hilarious.😂
Got a little over excited and was almost done making a comment asking how long this channel has existed, then he said it is brand new x.x
Yeah if I were to have a hidden blade I'd basically want a poniard running the length of my forearm, not spring loaded but where with the right movement I could have it drop down to be grasped in hand, use, then re-insert into a hidden sheathe on the forearm.
Great first video.
yeah, i found the Valhalla blade better personally.
i think its just cooler. but also for practical purposes, its just a superior method, cause like you said, you canput more OOMPH behind the hit. also, less chance to hurt yourself.
now, the downside is, its harder to hide. the advantage of the underside is that the mechanism is easier to hide, which i think is the idea.