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No TH-cam channel shows how people get in their van soaking wet during a rainstorm. The 59k is far superior then any other for weather issues. Can you compare it to anything else?
Good luck if you’re going on the weekend. We went today (Friday, 1/18/2019) and it was hard to get a look inside many of the models we were interested in. I wanted to check out the Leisure Travel Van Wonder rear twin, and there was a group back in there conducting a sewing circle, for what looked like, the long haul. I would recommend first thing in the morning. Afternoon was swamped.
For Canada and it's weather the Travato has the advantage. The upgrades for off the grid power options and features makes this unit more desirable. So many things to consider makes it hard to select the right camper. For longer trips and remote locations The Travato has a lot of " must have" features. Your overall coverage gets a Doug score of 80 out of 100. That of course is an imaginary rating for the best RV reviewer on TH-cam. 👍
The travato 59g wins it for me(shocker I know lol)! As long you keep it heated on the inside it works during the winter, so even though it doesn't have a desk feature like the galleria 24a, the bathroom size and 4 season capability would make it worth it for me everytime!
I agree on the Simplicity warranty. A better warranty is not only a nice cost effective benefit, but also a longer warranty is a sign of the manufactur's confidence level of their products.
Great post as usual. I just watched it for the third time :) It did seem like you were reaching to figure out ways to give the SRT more points and the Travato fewer points even though the later was always going to win. Things that were huge plusses for the Travato only scored a point apiece, like the relatively huge refrig/freezer for example. It is also the best suited class B for a typical full-time user, a metric which wasn't directly scored. Lastly, if you want to see how valuable and useful the lithium system is, check out "Go small, Live large". He makes a great case for the system (almost regardless of cost).
View is lighter. Depends on what you want to carry. Tiffin is close to max load. I have the view 24d. Looked at both. Downsized from a 37’ coach. Works great.
I vote for the Travato 59G I do miss the point system I'm a retired engineer and always found a way to minimize subjectivity in a decision So put me down for bringing back the point system for things a coach has over the competition then I could look at the list and decide which don't apply to our decision but that's easier than trying to visualize "important" things to consider without a list I'm headed over to the Community Tab to vote great video
No Left Turns - thanks for voting and thanks for letting me know how you feel about the point system. let's see what others think. maybe we'll go back to it if viewers want.
No Left Turns - I appreciate the feedback. I also believe that a point system is both entertaining and helpful. it puts individual features into perspective.
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@@Ultramobility Adding a point for a feature the competition does not have is fair but in the case of four-season, for instance, that's a BIG point compared to a residential-faucet versus a marine-faucet so adding a weighting factor would be even better but I'm guessing that would be very hard to do and I can hear the howling now....
No Left Turns - yep that's how I did it in the first two episodes. depending on how important I felt the feature is I would give it more or less points. that's where I got into trouble. some viewers felt that was too arbitrary but to your point: that's why you come to my channel is for my expertise...maybe.
I vote for Simplicity SRT, primarily because it is (just) under 20 feet long while the Travato is too long to fit in a standard parking space. That extra length allows the Travato to trounce the shorter SRT in living space, so if you can fit a Travato into your lifestyle the many extra features make for a better camp vehicle. BTW, no spare tire is offered for either coach, but the Simplicity has a blank space where one was deleted to keep prices low. You could buy a spare and mount it in the factory standard spot under the bumper. Its more expensive Roadtrek cousin the ZION SRT includes the factory spare. As for the extra l-o-n-g warranty, there are many complaints about Roadtrek service after the sale, so I wish there were an option not to pay for service that is notoriously hard to obtain. DBaty, retired nerd. 01/17/19
Great review. However I believe there is an error. Winnebago and the Winnebago dealers with whom I have spoken say that the Travato 59G dinette seats do you come with three point safety belts and tether hooks and therefore can be used for child restraint seats.
Sure would appreciate you applying your great expertise to the small class-C market for those of use who desire just a little more space. The Winnebago View 24D for example. Love your reviews!
I've been a subscriber since Canada. Very professional and thorough presentations. Excellent job always. One suggestion, since your reviews are so thorough, maybe a printed version of the reviews, through a link. Thanks again. Bill
Bill, thanks for being an early subscriber! do you know what subscriber number you are? must be under 500 maybe even under 250! Great idea about the printed version. maybe just a printed version of my script?
@@Ultramobility Hard to say, just remember that you lived in Canada and then one day you were moving to California, ha. Keep up the good work, I know how difficult it is to constantly maintain interesting content and a professional channel. Best of luck in 2019. Bill
I have seen Winnebago has come out with a travato 2020.5. I have seen a couple videos about some of the new standard stuff but nothing about the interior. Maybe you could do a quick video about the 2020.5.
Have you ever thought about doing an in-depth evaluation of RV manufacturer warranties? I've been doing some research, and I'm very disillusioned by what I've found so far. Take the Airstream Atlas, for example. Top of the line. Top dollar. They use Coach-net for their 24/7 roadside assistance. The Atlas/Coach-net website brags about a $2,000 Trip Interruption reimbursement, and providing an on-site mechanic if needed. Then you go to the fine print in their actual policy. The $2,000 reimbursement only covers a collision, and not a breakdown. For the free on-site mechanic, they simply call the mechanic and you pay for him. In the actual Atlas warranty, if all other repair remedies fail, it is your obligation to get the RV to Ohio at your expense for them to repair. And I've only scratched the surface.
hi there. this would indeed be a good idea for an episode. it would take some research but likely well worth it. what you're describing here sounds terrible especially in the case of the Atlas which is a $200k plus motorhome.
@Greg, that would be an interesting topic. I'd like to know how many companies handle the warranty as a whole rather than piece meal. i.e. the last thing I would want is a warranty where , an appliance may fail, and are told that you must deal with THAT company. It should be a case where the RV warranty is handled 100% by the dealer network.
Travato 59G seams more Seasonally ready. Cabinets can be more sustainable with stainless steel screws. Gravity pull waste systems and ventilation in bathroom is better. Twin bed layouts are optional. P.S. Warranties aren't worth the hassel. They never work for me.
I think it would be best if you scored the rounds as you did previously then we ca post how we scored it. It would be like scoring a real boxing match.
yep too much flak from viewers saying I was being arbitrary. so I give all the same information but leave it up to the viewer to value each point I bring up. I liked the point system as well but we're trying this out.
Yep I agree. it is going to be interesting though to see how viewers vote. kind of like a viewer choice award. let's let it play out and see what viewers think. if you all want the point system back then i'll bring it back, definitely.
@@Ultramobility Well, it's YOUR channel so it's your show and really is up to you how to produce these videos, or else it won't truly be YOUR product but a synthesis of assorted people's assorted opinions how to do it. Not truly YOUR (and OEM original, if you will) intellectual property -- a 100% Neil Balthazer produced, directed AND starring (aside from the other actors, the Class Bs) production! ;-) Besides, you can't please everyone anyway. -- BR
Neil I’m starting to see deep discounts on Hymer and Roadtrek class Bs.. maybe ahead of scandal . Do you think a complete shutdown coming? Worthwhile to negotiate a low price while possible loss of warranty protection? Or avoid for now the best? Appreciate your work!
My recommendation is to wait until May before pulling the trigger on any purchase of Erwin Hymer of North America branded products like Roadtrek, Carado and Hymer.
Neil, I’m sure your viewers would be very interested in any information or insight you have on the emerging financial scandal at Erwin Hymer Group North America and its potential impact on the future of Roadtrek. If I were considering purchasing any Hymer products, I would be very concerned about whether there will be a company around to back the 6-year warranty. I love your channel - thank you for the service you provide to us!
My recommendation to all viewers is to hold off on purchasing any Erwin Hymer of North America brands and products until after May when we'll have more information on what will happen to them. All we know right now is that they're not coming along as a part of the merger and no plan for continued operations on their own has been presented by the parent company.
$10,000 for the extra 5 years of warranty. Wanted the 59G before this video, but now going with mid-90’s Toyota RV and simply get 4-5 of the over the next 15 years if need be. Much less expensive
I am debating on which model would be best for a single person (me) primarily traveling in the south. Also, when is the best time of year to buy to get the best price?
best time of year to buy is end of the year, like December or just after the 2019 model years are introduced and try to get a great deal on a 2018 model year.
hi camper dude! no unfortunately not. I've got a daughter that I pick up from school everyday so that limits my traveling. heading to Alameda County RV show tomorrow- that's a local one!
@@Ultramobility I purchased my 59K in January 2017. When big windows all the way around was available. 360° view no matter where you sit, even the bathroom. Once again, I am going to have to say no comparison.
With Roadtrek/hymer group now closed down forever. Everyone laid off. One has to think about how this affects all the reviews you did for them. their warranty no longer exists. Everyone has been left out in the cold.
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It's sad to me, I liked Road Treks originally because they were a family company (Home & Park), then they sold out to Hymer who had more money than sense. He ruined a great brand. The advantage is, I could probably pick up a "new" Simplicity for half price... allowing me to buy a warranty plan.
I can park my small Class C RV But I want with me on ski lifts for barbecue in sunny spring skiing . All of these unfortunately are FREEZE BOXes on wheels ! I must get CUSTOM DESIGN . We are in Canada and maybe go spring skiing. I go spring skiing in Canadian Rockies with my RV and modified my class C RV to have an old Coleman gravity furnace , insulated and heat traced all plumbing to start my Onan generator when termostat kicks in so nothing freezes . Gravity furnace keeps base temperature and when I ski right to my RV for a break at Marmot Basen , ( favorite for skiing with RV ) ski right to doors for a barbecue , just turn on the forced air furnace to comfortable room temperature. Are These expensive toys you show for short Canadian summer ?? Expensive freeze boxes . In high altitude in Rockies around Fernie BC even in June it can snow and at night freeze and bust all the plumbing in this plastic box on wheels. Definitely not for short Canadian summer and absolutely NO,NO for winter enjoiment of spring skiing . Not many Canadians are as stupid to buy one of these and be stuck with your " Pleasure Pain Plastic Deep Freeze boxes ! " Wake up to reality of our climate MR .Alzheimer brain . Are you trying to con senior citizens into buying deep freeze box to be useless in Canada . Shame what you do in this beautiful country Canada . Wake up to the reality of our climate , and young are rich like to buy but expect more than retired buyers .
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I thought I say a round YELLOW now I see your face sorry could be me ....stay fantastic
No TH-cam channel shows how people get in their van soaking wet during a rainstorm. The 59k is far superior then any other for weather issues. Can you compare it to anything else?
No question, hands down you have the most informative no nonsense channel on TH-cam when it comes to Class B vans. Amazing!
Why thank you very much Steven!
We just picked up our 2021 59g yesterday!! We’ve been talking about a class b for years and we are thrilled.
Neil, I feel well armed to attend the Tampa RV super show! Thanks a million!
Good luck if you’re going on the weekend.
We went today (Friday, 1/18/2019) and it was hard to get a look inside many of the models we were interested in.
I wanted to check out the Leisure Travel Van Wonder rear twin, and there was a group back in there conducting a
sewing circle, for what looked like, the long haul.
I would recommend first thing in the morning. Afternoon was swamped.
slackerprince1 There’s another show coming up in Jacksonville
For Canada and it's weather the Travato has the advantage. The upgrades for off the grid power options and features makes this unit more desirable. So many things to consider makes it hard to select the right camper. For longer trips and remote locations The Travato has a lot of " must have" features.
Your overall coverage gets a Doug score of 80 out of 100. That of course is an imaginary rating for the best RV reviewer on TH-cam. 👍
The travato 59g wins it for me(shocker I know lol)! As long you keep it heated on the inside it works during the winter, so even though it doesn't have a desk feature like the galleria 24a, the bathroom size and 4 season capability would make it worth it for me everytime!
sounds like you may be narrowing it down DoctorWhoGeek!
I agree on the Simplicity warranty. A better warranty is not only a nice cost effective benefit, but also a longer warranty is a sign of the manufactur's confidence level of their products.
Thank you for the awesome review. I vote for Trivato because it looks more interesting...
Tks Neil for that review, and my choice goes to Travato for many reasons that you mentionned is this informative video. See you next time.
Did ou vote Claude on the community tab? thanks for sharing your vote with everyone and thanks for watching!
Ultramobility , travato my vote
Ah, the good ol days of the camper reviews and comparisons 😁
Oh yeah!
All the SRT needed to win my vote was solar panels. But no panels! So I had to give it to the Travato.
Great post as usual. I just watched it for the third time :) It did seem like you were reaching to figure out ways to give the SRT more points and the Travato fewer points even though the later was always going to win. Things that were huge plusses for the Travato only scored a point apiece, like the relatively huge refrig/freezer for example. It is also the best suited class B for a typical full-time user, a metric which wasn't directly scored. Lastly, if you want to see how valuable and useful the lithium system is, check out "Go small, Live large". He makes a great case for the system (almost regardless of cost).
thank you!
Travato 59G for me all day.
Would love to see the Winnebago View compared to the Tiffin Wayfarer! Just saw both today at Tampa RV show
View is lighter. Depends on what you want to carry. Tiffin is close to max load. I have the view 24d. Looked at both. Downsized from a 37’ coach. Works great.
Travato 59G for me ! (I have one
...and I juste Lovvvvvvveeeeee it!)
thanks!
I vote for the Travato 59G
I do miss the point system
I'm a retired engineer and always found a way to minimize subjectivity in a decision
So put me down for bringing back the point system for things a coach has over the competition
then I could look at the list and decide which don't apply to our decision
but that's easier than trying to visualize "important" things to consider without a list
I'm headed over to the Community Tab to vote
great video
No Left Turns - thanks for voting and thanks for letting me know how you feel about the point system. let's see what others think. maybe we'll go back to it if viewers want.
I can already see that some viewers liked the point system and are sad to see it gone in this episode!
No Left Turns - I appreciate the feedback. I also believe that a point system is both entertaining and helpful. it puts individual features into perspective.
@@Ultramobility Adding a point for a feature the competition does not have is fair
but in the case of four-season, for instance, that's a BIG point compared
to a residential-faucet versus a marine-faucet
so adding a weighting factor would be even better
but I'm guessing that would be very hard to do
and I can hear the howling now....
No Left Turns - yep that's how I did it in the first two episodes. depending on how important I felt the feature is I would give it more or less points. that's where I got into trouble. some viewers felt that was too arbitrary but to your point: that's why you come to my channel is for my expertise...maybe.
No contest.... Travato 59G by a landslide!!
I vote for Simplicity SRT, primarily because it is (just) under 20 feet long while the Travato is too long to fit in a standard parking space. That extra length allows the Travato to trounce the shorter SRT in living space, so if you can fit a Travato into your lifestyle the many extra features make for a better camp vehicle. BTW, no spare tire is offered for either coach, but the Simplicity has a blank space where one was deleted to keep prices low. You could buy a spare and mount it in the factory standard spot under the bumper. Its more expensive Roadtrek cousin the ZION SRT includes the factory spare.
As for the extra l-o-n-g warranty, there are many complaints about Roadtrek service after the sale, so I wish there were an option not to pay for service that is notoriously hard to obtain. DBaty, retired nerd. 01/17/19
Great review. However I believe there is an error. Winnebago and the Winnebago dealers with whom I have spoken say that the Travato 59G dinette seats do you come with three point safety belts and tether hooks and therefore can be used for child restraint seats.
Simplicity SRT gets my vote for keeping it simple yet practical
Sure would appreciate you applying your great expertise to the small class-C market for those of use who desire just a little more space. The Winnebago View 24D for example. Love your reviews!
tightloop01 - will likely happen this year!
Amen! I have been hoping he'd tackle the small class C market.
@@Ultramobility Subbed just for this. :-)
Size does matter
Travato for me, 4 season pipes, etc., plus, y'all have read about the Roadtrek/Hymer scandal, eh?
Taka Yama www.therecord.com/news-story/9135942-financial-scandal-swirling-at-local-rv-maker/
I've been a subscriber since Canada. Very professional and thorough presentations. Excellent job always. One suggestion, since your reviews are so thorough, maybe a printed version of the reviews, through a link. Thanks again. Bill
Bill, thanks for being an early subscriber! do you know what subscriber number you are? must be under 500 maybe even under 250! Great idea about the printed version. maybe just a printed version of my script?
@@Ultramobility Hard to say, just remember that you lived in Canada and then one day you were moving to California, ha. Keep up the good work, I know how difficult it is to constantly maintain interesting content and a professional channel. Best of luck in 2019. Bill
I have seen Winnebago has come out with a travato 2020.5. I have seen a couple videos about some of the new standard stuff but nothing about the interior. Maybe you could do a quick video about the 2020.5.
I prefer the “marine” sink in my 2018G. It gives me a clean counter when I’m not cooking. Your bias shows here.
Travato 59G for me !!
Have you ever thought about doing an in-depth evaluation of RV manufacturer warranties? I've been doing some research, and I'm very disillusioned by what I've found so far. Take the Airstream Atlas, for example. Top of the line. Top dollar. They use Coach-net for their 24/7 roadside assistance. The Atlas/Coach-net website brags about a $2,000 Trip Interruption reimbursement, and providing an on-site mechanic if needed. Then you go to the fine print in their actual policy. The $2,000 reimbursement only covers a collision, and not a breakdown. For the free on-site mechanic, they simply call the mechanic and you pay for him.
In the actual Atlas warranty, if all other repair remedies fail, it is your obligation to get the RV to Ohio at your expense for them to repair.
And I've only scratched the surface.
hi there. this would indeed be a good idea for an episode. it would take some research but likely well worth it. what you're describing here sounds terrible especially in the case of the Atlas which is a $200k plus motorhome.
@Greg, that would be an interesting topic. I'd like to know how many companies handle the warranty as a whole rather than piece meal. i.e. the last thing I would want is a warranty where , an appliance may fail, and are told that you must deal with THAT company. It should be a case where the RV warranty is handled 100% by the dealer network.
Can you put a small motorcycle in the Travato when you lift the bed? Are there any tie downs?
I know this is old but wondering which won???
Travato 59G seams more Seasonally ready.
Cabinets can be more sustainable with stainless steel screws.
Gravity pull waste systems and ventilation in bathroom is better.
Twin bed layouts are optional.
P.S. Warranties aren't worth the hassel. They never work for me.
Alice - thanks for sharing your thoughts! sounds like the Travato is the clear winner for you!
I think it would be best if you scored the rounds as you did previously then we ca post how we scored it. It would be like scoring a real boxing match.
You abandoned your running scorecard for this, the final? Seems odd, as you relied on that in the previous rounds.
yep too much flak from viewers saying I was being arbitrary. so I give all the same information but leave it up to the viewer to value each point I bring up. I liked the point system as well but we're trying this out.
Neil, I think you did a good job trying to normalize your scores, but there's no way to remove all influences of subjectivity. They are inevitable.
Yep I agree. it is going to be interesting though to see how viewers vote. kind of like a viewer choice award. let's let it play out and see what viewers think. if you all want the point system back then i'll bring it back, definitely.
@@Ultramobility Well, it's YOUR channel so it's your show and really is up to you how to produce these videos, or else it won't truly be YOUR product but a synthesis of assorted people's assorted opinions how to do it. Not truly YOUR (and OEM original, if you will) intellectual property -- a 100% Neil Balthazer produced, directed AND starring (aside from the other actors, the Class Bs) production! ;-)
Besides, you can't please everyone anyway.
-- BR
Have watched yet - good match
Are there air conditioners and heaters for the lounge/bedroom area in these two RVs?
In your opinion, do you think the simplicity is livable full time fo a few years?
Great job btw!!
How many do they sleep?
Does either have a permanent mirror in the bathroom?
Winnebago Travato 59GL Class B RV National Park Foundation Package
You should probably revise this considering the Roadtrek warranty is worthless now!😉
true
Neil I’m starting to see deep discounts on Hymer and Roadtrek class Bs.. maybe ahead of scandal . Do you think a complete shutdown coming? Worthwhile to negotiate a low price while possible loss of warranty protection? Or avoid for now the best? Appreciate your work!
My recommendation is to wait until May before pulling the trigger on any purchase of Erwin Hymer of North America branded products like Roadtrek, Carado and Hymer.
Ultramobility thanks! That’s why I follow your channel. A wealth of knowledge !
Bed that I don't have to configure is a must. Thanks for the information!
Neil, I’m sure your viewers would be very interested in any information or insight you have on the emerging financial scandal at Erwin Hymer Group North America and its potential impact on the future of Roadtrek. If I were considering purchasing any Hymer products, I would be very concerned about whether there will be a company around to back the 6-year warranty.
I love your channel - thank you for the service you provide to us!
My recommendation to all viewers is to hold off on purchasing any Erwin Hymer of North America brands and products until after May when we'll have more information on what will happen to them. All we know right now is that they're not coming along as a part of the merger and no plan for continued operations on their own has been presented by the parent company.
$10,000 for the extra 5 years of warranty. Wanted the 59G before this video, but now going with mid-90’s Toyota RV and simply get 4-5 of the over the next 15 years if need be. Much less expensive
I am debating on which model would be best for a single person (me) primarily traveling in the south. Also, when is the best time of year to buy to get the best price?
best time of year to buy is end of the year, like December or just after the 2019 model years are introduced and try to get a great deal on a 2018 model year.
Neil Are you at the Tampa RV show this week? If so Love to say hello..
hi camper dude! no unfortunately not. I've got a daughter that I pick up from school everyday so that limits my traveling. heading to Alameda County RV show tomorrow- that's a local one!
Travato for the win!
Travato all the way
I'm 6'1" so I have to stop the video when I see the bed is not long enough and I'm really not that tall
The 6 year warranty really not a plus any longer
I’d love to see a review of the mysterious SVO Embassy Class B.
59k has best floor plan for all weather. No comparison
No doubt
@@Ultramobility I purchased my 59K in January 2017. When big windows all the way around was available.
360° view no matter where you sit, even the bathroom.
Once again, I am going to have to say no comparison.
More on the trouble at Hymer Group North America:
roadtreking.com/roadtrek-hymer-scandal/
With Roadtrek/hymer group now closed down forever. Everyone laid off. One has to think about how this affects all the reviews you did for them. their warranty no longer exists. Everyone has been left out in the cold.
I vote for the PleasureWay Lexor FL.....blows both of these pretenders out of the Water!!!!!! Not even in the running!
nope - way outside the affordability price zone unfortunately
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don't have a logo. do I need one?
Sounds like your comparing a Cadillac to a Kia
Travato is more appealing.
It's sad to me, I liked Road Treks originally because they were a family company (Home & Park), then they sold out to Hymer who had more money than sense. He ruined a great brand. The advantage is, I could probably pick up a "new" Simplicity for half price... allowing me to buy a warranty plan.
i'm sad too. my first rv was a roadtrek cs adventurous. lots of great memories in that van.
I can park my small Class C RV But I want with me on ski lifts for barbecue in sunny spring skiing . All of these unfortunately are FREEZE BOXes on wheels ! I must get CUSTOM DESIGN .
We are in Canada and maybe go spring skiing. I go spring skiing in Canadian Rockies with my RV and modified my class C RV to have an old Coleman gravity furnace , insulated and heat traced all plumbing to start my Onan generator when termostat kicks in so nothing freezes . Gravity furnace keeps base temperature and when I ski right to my RV for a break at Marmot Basen , ( favorite for skiing with RV ) ski right to doors for a barbecue , just turn on the forced air furnace to comfortable room temperature. Are These expensive toys you show for short Canadian summer ?? Expensive freeze boxes . In high altitude in Rockies around Fernie BC even in June it can snow and at night freeze and bust all the plumbing in this plastic box on wheels. Definitely not for short Canadian summer and absolutely NO,NO for winter enjoiment of spring skiing . Not many Canadians are as stupid to buy one of these and be stuck with your
" Pleasure Pain Plastic Deep Freeze boxes ! " Wake up to reality of our climate MR .Alzheimer brain . Are you trying to con senior citizens into buying deep freeze box to be useless in Canada . Shame what you do in this beautiful country Canada . Wake up to the reality of our climate , and young are rich like to buy but expect more than retired buyers .
Move further south? Stay in a hotel? Buy a tent?