ECOFLOW River 600 MAX 576wh x2 1200w Modular Solar Generator | Portable Power Station Review
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- The Professor reviews the Ecoflow R600 MAX portable power station beta in their popular 2X Kickstarter Bundle package with 1152wh of power and a huge 1200w pure sine inverter. Is the R600 the new best solar generator? THE ECOFLOW RIVER 600: bit.ly/366xGnD use code ECOFLOWAFF
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Just bought one. Had a few questions. Was hoping to be able to run a small 13” laptop, but with a USB docking and two 22 in monitors simultaneously. Is that possible? And does this have any built in surge protection or would I need to run everything through a surge protector for sensitive electronics?
Also, the Pro has 3500 cycles - pretty amazing.
My bad. I've seen that mentioned a few places, but I just found a manual and it says only 800 cycles.
I'm interested in these because of the ups function; I've seen demos and it works very well including on some exotic computer work stations. I would have to pay 300 bucks for a led acid 40 pound ups to get ten minutes of life support. So the 650 for the Pro with 720 wh is a good deal for me. And it's hard to find mid range/price power stations with 600 watt inverters. And I need at least 450 for my desktop. I wouldn't run it permanently, but I could get a clean shutdown and then use the River for a fridge or something.
Please do a 4 Patriots Sidekick solar generator.
Excellent review. Finally bought a Black Bluetti 1500 (a month ago) and 3 compact Renogy 100 watt panels. System works great on my 17' travel trailer. Thanks for the hard work it takes to produce these video's!!!
I love how you get excited about having the break stuff! You are a true engineer!
Dr. Destructo.
I really enjoy watching your reviews. Thank you.
I just ordered one! Thank you for your video.
My replacement Jackery 1000 came. Thanks for another great video.
We enjoy your videos (all of them), subscribed and ordered some Amazon thru your store. Keep the videos coming...
Fantastic video, thank you. I ordered the 600 pro. Our road trips are mostly car camping so this can keep us charged up between hotels. Hopefully it delivers in time for our 6 week trip this fall to southern Utah.
Great review, all my questions answered, even the ones I didnt know I had ✔
Looking forward to a review of the Bluetti AC 200 that you had for a couple of days!
Finally a HOOO BOOO Tech Knows PRODUCT REVIEW!!
I agree with you. Having both batteries able to be changed would be much more worth having one. It would be nice to have them change that.
I would pay no more than $500 for this item, all bugs removed. I already have and like my new Jackery 500 (with dedicated solar panel) and 2ea Ego Nexus 2000 Watt 30AH 56v units and love them. Great job on this and all your other reviews. Cheers!
Very nice Reveiw . Thanks For sharing .
Disco Power! This was a great review & testing. It was really easy to understand.
Great review! Glad to see the x-link works. The charging time is great! Bluetti AC 200 is good, but maybe cannot wait till the end of this year or maybe next year to get one.
It's also the difference between an 11lb unit and a almost 60lb unit.
Thank you for the detailed review.
Thumbs up fort the BTTF reference
Thankyou. These are the tests we need. I’m trying to figure out how much backup I need. And which ones actually do was they say
Great reviews always 👌
You get a like purely for the back to the future sketch. Oh and the awesome video thanks
Check the draw on the induction cooker. If it's anything like the ones I've tested it works using pwm under certain wattage settings, typically around the 1000w mark. That is it still cycle on and off when on a lower setting but still hitting 1000w + when cycling on. I found this when testing my bluetti with an induction cooker on 1000w. It caught me out to start with.
The X-Boost is only for resistive heat loads (electric heater, coffee maker, hair dryer, anything with a heating element). It dials down the voltage so it can run resistive loads. It will let you boil water with an electric kettle but it just takes longer than normal.
Exactly, use these functions what they are intended to be used for. Induction could easily run at lower setting. This is a 600 watt device with temporary 1200 watt, short time only. So use it within it specs.
X-boost is NOT marketing hype, it is an option for people that know what they are doing and it is a great one.
I wonder how it works treat an instant pot pressure cooker
THANK YOU for being specific about the app, cloud, and the obvious nature of a design like that --surveillance, just like the smart-meters that were installed without our permission. It's totally unacceptable and a complete dealbreaker for me, even if it were rated #1 worldwide. I was very surprised (and, frankly, concerned) to find that of the 171 comments that were here when I wrote this, only two other people brought that issue up - less than 2%. Thanks for a thorough review.
Very good video with excellent info
I want one but cant swing this price at this time. BTW - Love the content - Great job!!!
Bruce B - It's easy to afford . . . . just ' C h a r g e ' it ! ! !
Thanks!! The required app to change settings and the invasion of privacy issue was a deal breaker for me.
thank you for your test
I like that color scheme
Hey Tom, I really enjoy your "Solar Generator" videos. I'm still not sold on the Ecoflow, seems like a "Microsoft Product" where they rush something "new" to the market & expect the consumer to report their "issues". I think I will stick with my Jackery E1000 & E500, rock solid with very few issues.
I agree. The fake 1200 watt seems wonky to me. I do think Jackery should take some tips from these guys however. They should allow for faster charging and allow all their units to be hooked together (same models) and allow there batteries to be replaced. If Jackery did these 3 things and still keep the proven reliability, can't imagine another company touching them.
@@danielrice5474 If Jackery was more like Ecoflow, you'd like Ecoflow? lol
@@Curb71 Jackery has proven name/rep and don't fake inverter strength. If Jackery added the above things I mentioned, I'd like Jackery even more. I'm sure they keep up with what we are charging and will update there boxes in time.
Daniel Rice I understood what you were saying Daniel and agree. Some people are simple and can’t wrap their minds around a concept that you proposed. And then actually laugh at their own ignorance.
There was another review video where a guy plugged his RV into an R600 and tried to use his AC. The under voltage burned up the air conditioner. Under voltage can damage things you plug into it! Beware.
That happened because of x-boost was on and it undercuts the voltage to run things that it wouldn't normally run. If he would've have it off then it would've shutdown like normal so definitely user error.
@@Trillville43 agree. Not that it could have ever ran it anyways since it likely needs around 25A. All around a bad idea.
Thanks
I make a table for the R600 that sits over the handle and creates a surface to set things on. It also features wireless charging for phones and tablets that support wireless charging.
Best thing I like is the 1 .5 hr charge
Hi Mr. Hobo man sir, what are your thoughts on the EcoFlow models vs the Bluetti? Do you prefer one over the other? Many thanks
Fair enough! I like how you pushed that jocker.... Now we know it's only 600watts. Not 1200watts..
Hello Professor Hobo! Not sure if you check your older posts, it seems this is the only way for a user to try and make contact. My wife and I love watching your channel!!
My question isn't about the River Max, we invested in the Ecofllow River Plus (with extra battery & 2 panels), and my quest to find a cable with an XT60 female (to connect with main unit) and Anderson/HPP connection for connecting a Goal Zero Nomad 200 solar panel; found the Nomad 200 in a return clearance deal with REI, selling for $250!!! I've been researching 10 foot cables for a direct connection, from the XT60 port on our River Plus, to my Nomad 200's HPP/Anderson connection. I literally can not find a cable configured this way and am now questioning if there's a potential hazard or conflict I'm not aware of.
Lastly, I don't have a lot of formal education with electronics, only the basics to understand polarity and applicable electrical ratings; in my personal previous electrical endeavors, electricians have advised against the implementation of an adaptor and/or in-line converters. The idea pointing out the potential points of failure associated with each adapter and/or conversion cables added into the equation. This is why I'd rather not use multiple cables to adapt the connection of the Nomad 200; opting to use a single run cable with the needed ends (XTT60 to HPP). If there aren't any obvious hazards, should I just make the cable myself? Or is my single run cable idea not relevant anymore; modern solar connections don't degrade flow of current anymore, etc?
Thanks for the review, Hobotech! As a general rule, I'm pretty conservative when it comes to anything that hasn't been tested/retested/marketed for years...so this is a HUGE leap of faith for me. I went out on a limb and ordered the R600 Pro + 110w Solar Panel. I hope it doesn't come back to bite me on the butt. 😬
Oh, well... Thank you for your informative review - you've given me fair warning and ample time to cancel my purchase. 😀😊👍🏻
Also, thanks for the heads-up regarding the app. It'll definitely be a "no go," for me. 😎
It’s like 6 of one or half a dozen of another trying to decide which brand on the market is best right now. I decided to not miss out on the kick starter and last night ordered the R600 Pro, 2 of them. The deciding factor of which brand to order was the 2 hour charge time/weight.
I can carry this with me into McDonald’s Donald’s. Staying 2 hours is reasonable. Five to 8 isn’t. Who can do that daily? There’s miles to cover, ya know? But I can also solar charge this or charge by 12v. All faster than any other product.
I probably can’t do an induction cooktop, which is something I wanted, but I can carry this.
Thanks for the review. Much appreciated. And I love this color. Hope they don’t send black!
I'm going to try the induction cooker again with the "X-Boost" turned off and see if it works. Heidi loves the teal color too. Definitely not a guy's color!
Several months ago I used my induction cooktop. Not sure, but I think it was med/low.
It was awesome seeing it power 100+W from the USB-C port. I also have a pair and have enjoyed testing X-Boost & X-Link. Could you retest your induction cooktop with X-Boost turned off on a low setting? It should have no problems with a load under 600W but X-Boost is only for resistive loads.
Also wanted to point out the Pro model isn't capable of 400W of solar unless it's connected to the 30lb EF1500 external battery. They each can take 200W. Thanks again for your thorough review.
Thanks for sharing
Really enjoy your reviews. Purchased an EcoFlow River Max but returned it because of display issues and haven't received a replacement yet. I have a 16 year old Kenmore side by side refrigerator/ freezer. I'm not sure if wattage. Hoping my Max will be able to lower in for a while in case of power outage. What do you think?
Great content and review! Bought a pair of R600 Pro+EF-1500 though.
@amelie are you able to run straight 590watts for atleast 20mins it’s a “299wh” at burst you should be able hmm what everyone needs in consumption might be different and for different time frames some use it for camping 24/7 so for minutes they use all that power others just laptop usage until full charge then just phones but that’s it . Sorry to bug have you tried those 200watts solar panel ? And Ac simultaneously?
Wait so how much can you run that inverter Ac with nothing hooked up to it ? How many hours it displays it should’ve be more than 10wAtts to operate with out the extra battery hehe just curious if I should buy
I hope they are considering making a version that you can replace the battery yourself 🤙 a good option to would be able to run a lithium ion battery or a LiFePO4 battery that would be more expensive.
Thanks for the video, can you say how long this would keep a MacBook Pro running for ? It says they draw 60 watts so would that be about 10 hours? or do you get gains from not using DC and bump up to 12-13 hours? Thanks.
As always great review... Like that license plate. 👍 dont thing Iam in one this little one. heard the word new Bluetti 200, Am I correct?. If so I hope to get a notification on it, I might jump on that fast... other note hope they get this virus thing under control, would like to make it to Quartzsite 2021🎩
You better. There is already a line of about a 1000 that want the 200 super early bird deal on it. I hope to have my video out day of the Kickstarter.
Without the extra battery with x booster on the 600 runs my electric fireplace. I can’t wait to attach the extra battery and see what I can do with it. Also being able to purchase xtra batteries means that device can run forever.
Great thorough review. Did you try testing the paired R600 (eg true 1200W) with the induction cooker or even just a single R600 with X-boost turned off and induction on low setting? I wonder if that solves the issue of the pulsing and the x-boost is the issue? I think if you simply disable X-boost or consider it not an option for most appliances it is still some great tech and features. Hopefully they continue to improve the system.
It's a great option for here in Australia where we have very few power stations and crazy expensive.
Yes, it will run fine with X boost off and in parallel mode. However the video was already 38 minutes long ...
A piece of advice? I see you test a lot of different battery packs, I have a iceco 20 quart and would like to power it for 48 hours in a very remote location "mining claim in the Siskiyou national forest" so witch one do you recommend?
Those small 12vdc output 5521 ports limited in amps each? Any special step to charge faster directly from a 12v battery? What if I step up my voltage to 24v?
Thx for letting us know the chemistry of the Pro model. I must have missed that on the website and i was curious if it was LiFePO4. The Pro model is the one to buy once they get the kinks worked out!
There are no known kinks for the Pro model.
@@Curb71 I saw in on the indiegogo site
Maybe a dumb question as I am new to all this battery power station discussion, but can I hook up a surge protector to one of the AC ports and run like 3 devices as long as total doesn’t exceed 600 watts?
And what happens if I plug in 3 different devices to each of the AC ports directly- then can I run each AC port to 600 watts each?
Also, have you ever reviewed the Flexopower Lithium 444? We get this here in SA as well.
Nice PD 100w
FYI.... personal experience here. Do NOT USE as a UPS. My pro unit failed after 6 months of UPS use. when I spoke with Ecoflow their first question was "was it being used as a UPS?" to which I answered yes. They immediately ended the troubleshooting and just had me ship it back for a new unit.
No…Hobotech…I’m looking for this size power station…but I’m not buying this one mainly because of the short battery cycle life! Any advice for a good 600-700 watt station in the $500-600 price point with over 2000+ life cycles? What is a good portable solar panel for said station??? I also didn’t like in review it revealed my having to download the app to change settings and the 1 internal battery…I’m not very mechanical minded but I picked up on that asinine idea myself early on! LOL. Thank you for your honesty with these reviews!
can we parallel one of these and a river mini? also about the x boost - do you think it’s dangerous to operate an appliance in a mode that lowers the volts - and in what way? is there risk of fire for example
31:00 Yes they could have done the battery-system another level of better. A base unit without a battery and then being able to add as many max modules as you like.
Problem with that it would raise the price for a function not everyone is looking for.
With the system they created now they have actually two module, the 288 wH model and the 566 wH model, for prices that still are like comparable products out there.
The computer in the induction cooker doesn't like the lower voltage. Some digitally controlled air conditioners do the same thing.
Privacy is something to think about in that the USB standard also transfers data with devices in most instances... Hmmm... to do some of the things it does would require a fairly intelligent micro-controller. Might want to be careful plugging in that Mac book or maybe your cellphone heheh
Wow really smart! Thanks
Nice video thanks! If I feed AC energy from this Ecoflow R600 MAX into a socket in my house's electric circuit, would I be able to use this energy from any another socket ?
Never do that!
@@HOBOTECH ...of course I would need to switch off the main power line before doing that!
What solar panel/panels do you recommend to be able to over panel this safely to say 240w total?
I just bought the pro. This is my first solar gen.. was thinking about getting 3, 100w panels. Or a 200w and 100w panels. The reason being so I can get the full charge rate when absorbing the sun. Am I correct in thinking this? Will it work as I've stated ?... I'm needing help. Setting up optimal solar for the pro model. Thank you.
Hey hobo its 7 months later I don't see a video for the updated version of this ecoflow 600 river or the pro version whats up im going to buy 2 pro version of the river 600 I like to know what you think about the pro today
I'm a Bluetti kind of guy so I will wait for the AC200. After all, I already have a Bluetti 1500 and the Beaudens 384Wh power station.
Does your Beaudens read the wrong charge % after charging and use, and does your power supply get hot enough to cook an egg? These are serious flaws I found with the 384 about 4 months back and they told me they fixed them but I haven't gotten an updated model yet.
@@HOBOTECH Sorry to say but I picked mine up nearly 4 months ago and yes, the charge % looks a little wonnky at times and it does run hot. The running hot didn't bother me much As I was new into this and thought maybe it was supposed to. But the charge % was upsetting. That's something you really want to know with some degree of accuracy. I really noticed it when I would shut down and the charge percent would be something like 60% but when i turned it on the following day, without having charged it, the power would read maybe 75%. Unfortunately, I don't remember seeing your review of this power station. I use it primarily to charge my phone and 3 tablets. I use my Bluetti for everything else.
Same problem I have with my Beaudens 380. SOC is rarely displayed correctly.
@@stoncrop8725 I didn't do a review of it because it was fatally broken so they recalled it. The overheating of the power supply was so scary I only charge it outdoors. You must have got it before the recall. I bet if you file a claim with Beaudens they will send you an updated model.
@@HOBOTECH Thanks for the tip Professor. I'll check that out.
“Two roads diverged in a wood … I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference.” - Robert Frost
When you come to a fork in the road.....take it - Yogi Berra
@@titaniumhen When I see a fork in the road, I wonder if Paul Bunyan was here eating a stack of pancakes
@@zfoxfire That darn guy can eat a lot of pancakes too.
But you could have turned left in Albuquerque. :-D
Love your content - I’m thinking about pulling the trigger on a the new beaudens 380wh power station, I believe you mentioned in a solar panel review that you had a product review of that power station coming out soon. Is it true? I need to order mine today/tmrw and would love to hear what you think. Thank you!
My 380 had serious problems and the product was recalled. Not sure if the version out now is fixed or not. I contacted them to find out as they were supposed to send me an updated model. If you want to be safe get one of the recommended and tested models I have on my Amazon page.
@@HOBOTECH Professor - I have the 380 as well and i'm curious as to what is/was wrong with yours. Mine does not calculate/display the SOC correctly. It can be full, used to 60% and and turned off. Next time you power it on, it says 87%. It seems to calculate correctly while in continuous use, but after cycling the power, it returns to 87% no matter what the SOC. Curious to hear your experience or if you receive any response from Beaudens. Thanks!
If I use a 600W heating fan how long can I use this with a fully charged ECOFLOW River 600? in hours please. Thanks
Can I ask (I really don't speak electricity), a fully charged R600 MAX, how many times can it (approximately) charge one of these:
1) Samsung Galaxy Note 10+, 4,300 mAh battery
2) A Lenovo laptop (48 W·h) (4400 mAh, I think)
And is the AC adaptor safe for the laptop?
And roughly speaking how long would it take to charge one of those units?
Seems like when I do decide to
Buy there will be some cutting
Edge device pop up the next day.
Wonder what cordless tool co. is
Going to come out with the entire
Package?
i have this river 600 max....would you know how or what type of battery i could attach as a booster to it? something that could fit xt60 into the solar input. i did this for my bluetti but that one takes higher voltage.
Hey Tom! Long time no comment. I've just been absorbing the videos and enjoying them on all the reviews on the power stations. On that note I'm getting ready to make a purchase of one I just haven't been able to afford one. And wondered what your thoughts were between getting the bluetti which is the 80s ac50s for getting the ecoflow the 600 not the newest one but the 600. I can get the Blu ready with your code for 379 or with the Amazon discount I can get the river 600 not the newest 600 just the regular 600 for $300. Which one do you think would be best? For the money? I have a 2000 Dodge Ram van with its own house batteries and solar setup but I wanted this as an emergency backup. The only thing that I run off of Power are some 12 volt fans as needed and my refrigerator. Eventually I would like to put a diesel heater in there as well and I know that's going to draw a little bit of power for the fan or whatever when it kicks on. I also thought about purchasing the Eveready lithium iron phosphate little power station as well. I want to the hobotech TV page and I also scroll through the videos and I did not see a review of that first unit. I did see your review of the newest unit that everybody was chomping at the bit for or you can link the two units and so forth.
question an you charge one with the other from the 12v plug in adapter?
400 watt solar for the r600 pro? Where is that stated? That sounds like good news.
Ehhh ill be honest they lost me with the app stuff and the light options. I just hate anything with stuff like that. I dont wanna mess with it and if im not gonna use it why would I pay for it? Thats a lot of R and D cost to account for im sure, Wonder how much it would be without them? If they cut this fluff out id consider it, but right now im gonna keep saving for a bluetti
Get a R600 Pro ..... NO LIGHTS, better features, better battery technology! AND ... Linkable to a whopping EF-1500 Battery Bank! DONE😉
@@sed237 That's what I ordered but never got it they ripped me off for $499
@@sed237 i can't find it listed anywhere. not the ecoflow site or anywhere
Darn auto correct - hoping my Max will be able to power it for a while in case of a power outage.
Have you tear down the inside for “premature failure of battery” I believe I saw on their oficial videos that it has that dangerous lithium lipo chemistry not ion or lifepo4, so that’s the reason they can really output that peak 1200 for seconds hmm abit dangerous to use in a hot car or camping in a super sunny day if exposed to heat and that interior fan fails
Thats a very good point about the battery stacking like the titan. That's actually a GREAT idea.
Around 31:00
Overall, Im glad I cant afford this right now. I HOPE *crosses fingers* that their next version includes Lifepo in the base model. Im very picky but this joint is certainly the best PPS (portable power station) out there at the kick starter pirce. I'm not so sure about the retail price.
If I could afford one, Id roll the dice on the Pro especially since they have that long warranty. Id almost get it just in hopes that it would work but I already have two PPS. Im glad to hear that the Pro has a 400 watt limit. Its shaping up to be my ideal PPS.
I too am not a fan of requiring an account. I would probably create a throw away account on a wiped phone (I have a lot of phones) and make my changes and then wipe everything all over again. Hashtag overkill.
The PRO actually has the same 200W solar input. The additional 200W is only for the optional add-on EF-1500 battery, which can be connected directly only to the PRO unit via a proprietary connector and has its own XT-60 connector with 200W input max.
@@nfdsouza Yeah someone else said that. That 200 watt limit is better than everything else but still feels wack.
@@AskIveSolar Yup, it would be nice if higher, but still not bad for a power station of this size. The upcoming Bluetti AC200 has 700W of solar input, but is in a different class and price range than the R600 series.
@@nfdsouza I wonder if bluetti will release a new redesigned mid range that's more like the 200 because their ac 50 and 150 250 appear to be generic devices with better warranties.
Can you show us how to connect them parallel
I wonder if these perform as bad as the River Pro for 12V operations. I bought a River Pro and was a bit disappointed in it's 12V output capabilities. It will not operate my 120W 12V popout slide. It drops the voltage to a point the motor breaker trips and motor stops. I have 2 other smaller power supplies that work the slide without fail. I tried everything and it just trips the motor breaker. Great for 110V but again, at high wattage draw, it drops voltage to accommodate without tripping the internal breaker which can be harmful, especially to sensitive equipment.
question, what's the DC5521 cable they include used for?
I wish they still sold that particular model 600 where u can put them in parallel dont know why they took that feature away
I wish they would bring it back.
Thank you for an excellent review. Would you put this above the Jackery250? I am asking because here in SA we don't have very many options. And of course we have to pay a huge amount of money for these. This Ecoflow River is more expensive then the Jackery250 here, but considering the extras one can probably understand that.
This is a 600W power station compared with 250W Jackery. Of course the Jackery will be cheaper than this one.
So they provide you an adapter that is limited to 25w for solar ?
Can you safely run a 30 volt panel with its own internal charge controller limiting it without damaging it?
Has anyone else had their base model + extra battery run hot?
Is the fan above the ac port supposed to run while in use?
Hi, what about testing Nitecore NPS600?
I just ordered one directly from Amazon....but then I decided to get the extra battery...but Amazon keeps saying NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE.....
Tom thanks for a nice review, but not my cup of coffee. Still like my Jackery 1000, but need a larger inverter. I am hoping you will finish your review on the AC 200 before the July release date.
I should have my review out in the next week.
I just bought one and it doesn't charge to anymore than 94%. Is it broken? Should I send it back? Is there a fix?
I am tempted to get on of these for a XMas gift to someone I am not overly fond of!!!! BLUETTI STILL RULES
Sounds like you got money to waste playing it safe 🤣
I purchased the EcoFlow River Max. Hoping it can power my 16 year old Kenmore side by side refrigerator/freezer for a few hours in case of power outage. Not sure of wattage but it's only 22 cubic ft. What do you think?
Nope. Try the Bluetti AC200P.
the second choice for the Time vehicle was a Van Camper...
Is the annoying flashing light off by default? I don't plan to hook it to a phone app.
Can you tell me what is better ti use for the portable fridge 12 V or 120 V outlet on this power stations? I got King 540 W power station. Btw I have seen review on them. Another one I'm still interested in Rockpale, I got Solar folded one as you been recommended. thanks
12v. Watch my ICECO video.
Can it run a coffee maker? 18:52 "Yes, well..." too funny! I have to admit, I like a lot of the features of the R600 but I have a number of concerns, mainly with the crowdfunding. I'll pass.
My induction cooker work 7/3/2021
Does it support passthrough charging?
review this EF ECOFLOW Portable Power Station RIVER, 288Wh Backup Lithium Battery with 3 600W (Peak 1200W) AC Outlets & LED Flashlight
I was considering getting 1. Its 10 am eastern on the 26th and there is no where on there site to back them or buy them.
You missed it by an hour.
I would think the battery in the main unit it's probably quite easy to get into and change if need be
Sure, if you can build an exact size battery pack with the same cells and voltage.
@@HOBOTECH probably the same battery is the one on the bottom once you get it out
@@HOBOTECH you should ask them about that
@@HOBOTECH get from them