Building a Retro Gaming PC (2002) with Athlon XP and GeForce4
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Very close to the system I built in 2002. Athlon XP 2000+ with a Geforce4 TI 4200. It was a great platform and I continued to use it for years as I upgraded components. It ended up with an Athlon XP 3200+ and Geforce 6800 toward the end of it's life.
almost same here... but started with the athlon thunderbird 1.4 and ended up with the xp2600 barton + a hd3850 agp
Damn. In 2002 I had a Pentium 133Mhz, 32mb of ram, 1mb gpu and 600mb hard drive. In 2005 I got a slightly worse PC than in this video. Still had a lot of fun with both of them. I upgraded from geforce 4 440 to Radeon 9550 in 2006 and the difference was night and day. I recently built an old school Windows XP pc so thanks Phill for inspiring me.
I would find Pentium computers just like that in 2002 in Good Will Thrift stores for $10 and resell them for $100 nearly every day.The profit was good pocket money.
m9078jk3 Yeah, I think I got mine for about 100$ in 2000 or 2001. The case was huge and it came with a 13inch crt with burnt in screen. Still I was amaized at what it could do because before that I only had consoles.
I also had that pentium 133mhz, but mine had 64mb and almost 2gb caviar hdd.
Same here bro: before 2004 I had almost the same machine like yours but with a bit higher mmx 166. then i got an althon xp 2600+ and gf4 mx 440 8x (upgraded to fx5700 eventually).
Did the intel stock cooler exists back then?
I see on your desktop you have all the age appropriate games :). You say 256mb ram is low... Well my old duron 800mhz had only 6b of ram and a GeForce 2 MX with 33mb of vram. Mafia loaded in a million years at 640x480 on low details. I'm so happy I bumped into your channel. Thanks for the memories. I also have 3 old machines up and running. Win 95 on a k7, 98 on a p3 and xp on a core 2 duo. Graphic cards are a mess to find
I had almost the same PC. Watching your videos bring back a lot of memories. Built literally hundreds of Athlon XP systems back in that day at the store I worked at. Can't believe it's been that many years.
I upgraded my 1800+ to a 2500+ if I recall. Was my last AMD system until just a couple weeks ago when I picked up a Ryzen 2700x. It feels right to be back on AMD since I cut my teeth on PCs when AMD was king of the hill in the early 2000's.
Nothing like a fresh cup of coffee and a new video from Phil to get the day started right :D
Hot Chocolate is my preference. :D
A happy brother is a good brother
I know it is a year and a half old by now but that motherboard can take an Athlon 3000+ Barton core with a bios flash. It's still available on MSI's website.
2002 was the year I built my first computer. I would tear up if I got a gift like this. Good stuff broski.
Nice video! this brings me back a lot of memories, also i happen to have the AMD Athlon XP 2600+ Processor.
With that that pc had an Nvidia 5200 128mb AGP and 256mb of ram upgraded to 1GB and a Maxtor Diamond Plus 9 80gb HDD.
Sturdy and durable hardware it came to surpass things like low voltage moments on the electric grid and blackouts. Still Working. Got it on 2004
2002.... I was a sad owner of a machine with a celeron 1700mhz, 512 MB ram and a gf2 mx200 with 32MB DDR VRAM... 2003/2004 I upgraded to a Northwood p4 3ghz with HT and asus p800 deluxe motherboard and 1GB dual channel DDR 400 memory. The GPU was the mx200 till I bought an fx5600 and later a used ATI 9800 pro
+MasterControl90 I got by with a TNT2M64 and PIII 600 MHz and 64 MB of RAM until 2002-ish. I mostly played half-life mods and UT anyway and it did OK. I got an MX440 and 128 MB more RAM and continued using that system until the pentium 4 2.4C GHz was released. I almost went with an Athlon XP or athlon 64, but I was shopping for a new computer in the brief time window when the 2.4C northwood was generally a bit faster than the athlon XP and the athlon 64 hadn't yet arrived in force outside servers. I think it was 2004 when I upgraded to the 9800 non-pro for just a little more than $100 I believe it was, not that long before half-life 2.
That was a magical era in gaming for me. There were earlier games such as Stunt car 3D, Hunter, ultima underworld, Doom and System shock that blew my socks off; but Half-life and its mods and community were magical. I had just got 10/100 mbps, rock solid fiber in 1999, straight from 56K. Online gaming was new and amazing to me. HL:DM was great fun bunnyhopping around and propelling yourself around the map with the gauss rifle, but it was more chaos than community. Counter-strike, before it became so toxic, had some great servers were you could just drop in and talk shit with friends and have some nice, friendly games whenever. Science and industry was great for some variety and took the gameplay and weapons of HL:DM, added a few more and made it into a team sport. As was day of defeat and TFC.
But Natural Selection; that was amazing; it was an RTS/FPS combination with aliens vs marines, think Starcraft in first person; it had the best, most friendly community for the longest time without too many toxic A-holes. The movement in that game was superb. The level design was the best of the best the aging Half-life engine had to offer, with the same gamma ramp trick as used by Quake III making the lighting stark and crisp yet retaining the soft and realistic indirect lighting from radiosity.
There were so many combinations of unexpected things that could happen. I still remember many individual games that I played almost a decade and a half ago. Many games hinged on single player happening to discover something and effectively communicating with their team and the commander and or team (aliens didn't have a commander, they just had a builder class that they had to protect) not panicking and focusing on a single task to the exclusion of everything else. I remember games that lasted the better part of a day with hives changing hands and battle lines shifting back and forth, people leaving to eat and comming back to find the game was still going. I remember when the game was about to be lost and the marine base was relocated into vents and other silly places. I remember aliens massing through the marine's phasegate into their base (back when you still could) and taking them by surprise. I remember the phase gate going down and everyone on the team being dead except for one guy who slogged it back all the way across the map without being discovered and managing to beacon people back in and continue on to win the game (this was back when people didn't really know how to play and the aliens didn't focus down the marine base correctly and just killed the infantry portals/respawn points). It was later made more competitive and short game oriented, but it was still an excellent game.
ATI 9800 PRO a beast! I had one from Hercules, I LOVED that GPU. Oh, and it came with a proper hard copy of " No one lives forever 2, a spy in harms way", one of the best FPS games ever imo. Good ol days, these days you get a f...ng game coupon. Some things _were_ better in the old days.
I had the Radeon 9800 Pro as well- def a king of its time. Went to the X800 from there and it DOMINATED! God I loved those cards. Miss them. Good old days ^^
Still AMD tho - rockin an 8370 and R9 390x - but I have many AMD builds all on my channel.
Intel made me an AMD fanboy after Intel paid manufacturers to use only intel cpus when the Athlon 64 3000 series was so much better and more cost efficient. I upgraded from a pentium 4 extreme edition to an Athlon 64 3500 Venice and the difference was so staggering I later upgraded to the Athlon 64 3800X2 with 2x X1900XTs in crossfire. Been AMD ever since. No regrets.
Ah back around my favorite pc nostalgia era when the Athlon XP was king
Awesome Video!!! I love the Socket A 462 machines. I always had a great experience with them and I still have one to this day. Gigabyte ATX Mobo, Barton Core Athlon XP 3200+, 2GB 400Mhz Ram, 250GB HDD, DVDR Optical Drive, Cooler Master Air Cooled Heatsink and Fan, and HIS 1GB IceQ Video Card at AGP 8x. Mostly runs RTCW and Battlefield 2.
Also I love the Socket A machines.
Haha...this so reminds me of my own pc in 2003. Same MSI motherboard with Athlon 2400, 256 MB ram and GeForce MX 440 and was quite happy with that 😁
I'm enjoying the hell out of your videos. I'm gonna build a windows 98 gaming pc now.
For about half a decade (2001-2006ish), I owned two Athlon XP systems based on MSI KT3 Ultra series motherboards. Great bang-for-buck, with rock solid stability, onboard 5.1 audio, and USB 2. One of them was nearly identical to your "original" (except I had a Radeon DDR 32MB instead of the GF4MX).
Thanks for bringing back fond memories, and keep up the good work!
So cool! I remember my athlonxp 2200+ with my geforce mx 440 64mb with nostalgia!
Thank you for trying out AVP2! This game is so underrated unfortunately.
I miss avp2 multiplayer : (
Cool Video Phil, Happy Birthday. 7 27 1986 was my Wedding Day, guess that shows my age. Anyway a nice build thanks for sharing.
Thank you for a very interresting video!
Back in the day i was rocking a computer based on a 700 MHz coppermine celeron CPU with 256 megabytes of RAM. I was 18 years old at the time and I was therefore on a very tight budget and had to pretty much select the cheapest parts. I don't even remember the motherboard or GPU brand. Unfortunately I opted to go with a system based on prescott P4 when things got better financially in 2003-2004.
In 2006 i looked into upgrading my old coppermine system with a 1Ghz P3 and more RAM just as you did in the video, but unfortunately I couldn't justify it with my finances at the time.
It is not as much charm when building a computer today. My current system is based on the X99 platform with an i7 6800K, geforce 970 GTX and 32 gigabytes of RAM. It is not the fastest parts for the platform, but I just couldn't care to buy a 1080 Ti or an i7 6950X.
Remember folks.
Replace/check capacitors, get newer PSUs, get good SATA>IDE adapters.
Personally I use Seasonics in all my retro rigs w/ ATX>AT adapters for the really old ones. Also good SD>IDE adapters go a long way for spiffing up late-DOS early 98 Rigs.
Videos perfect for me. Don't know why, but I really love having period accurate rigs.
Just built myself a similiar rig to this video.
Athlon XP 1700+, GF4 MX440 64MB, 512MB DDR400, MSI MoBo. Pulling a Corsair PSU, SB Audigy 2 ZS, and a 60GB SSD/Adapter out of my parts bins for it too. Really itching to play most of the games you had in the video lol.
IIRC... I had a K6-2 ~400, 64MB RAM, and a 16MB ATI RAGE back in the early 2000s... Played a lot of Carnivore and Duke Nukem/Doom.
actually handled GTA: Vice City pretty well, I remember having issues getting it running on a more powerful system at the time but maybe that was early drivers etc
This was basically my first pc, but I had a slightly faster Athlon iirc and an mx440. Running windows 2k with a 15" lcd which cost about as much as the whole pc. I remember playing most of the games you showed here, great stuff!
Nice build, i got the same board somewhere, it has the universal AGP which is useful for some cards like 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500
Great video as always!
Also... MY MOTHERBOARD MODEL exactly :DDD
Fun fact: with ram upgrade (256->512->1280) it was able to net quite well in the middle of 2013, even with YT and stuff, I was pleasantly surprised :) (CPU was also AXP 2000+)
You left Vice City's framelimiter on, explaining the 30fps lock.
Whoops, speak of the devil.
SolarstrikeVG I think he said the physics get weird if you remove, or at least they did with GTA3.
For the purpose of benchmarking, I would ignore bugs and physics issues and just try the game with the frame limiter off.
Any GTA game before IV has weird problems when you turn off the frame limiter. GTA:SA for me on my modern computer will freeze in cutscenes with the frame limiter off, and yes, the physics are a lot more fun with the frame limiter off haha.
i once removed the fpslimit and i wasnt able to drive backwards anymore. also the cars were slow as hell
I had similar system in early 2004 - foxconn motherboard, athlon 2500+, 1GB ddr ram, geforce fx 5200 it was my first "proper" computer so I have very good memories about it. Thanks for the video Phil!
My first PC was with Athlon XP 2500+, MSI K7N Delta with nForce 2, 1GB of DDR, and Radeon 9200....
Dmitriy DarkJoney в каком году ?
В 2003 году был куплен.
Dmitriy DarkJoney подозрительно дофига оперативки для того времени, да ещё и с такой затычкой видяхой.
Отчим был фотографом, машина крутила Фотошоп большую часть времени. Игры он играл Age of Empires II только. Перешла ко мне в 2006 году, в 2009 я потом взял C2Q вместо нее.
Да и сейчас у него машина с FX 8320 и 640й GeForce, все так же играет только в AoE.
I used to have exactly the same components. I overclocked the Athlon XP 2500+ to 3200+ with a Thermaltake Volcano 12. Oh man, those we're the days. My first pc was actually a 486 DX4-100mhz and climbed over to K6-2 500mhz, then the Athlon.
That is not Underground 2, it is the original one
Yea, not sure why I said the second one.
PhilsComputerLab not to worry, just wanted to point it out to the others because that was my childhood game. Everyone, try it if you have time
Dragos, Salut! Daca vrei putem juca in lan (tunngle /gameranger) jocuri mai vechi sau chiar retro!
i like underground 2 better, its open world unlike the 1st one
And the vinyl system for NFSU2 was AMAZING! I can't tell you how long I spent in the decal design mode lol
I had Athlon 2000+ back in the day, but paired with FX 5700. Really good memories.
2002 I was rocking an AMD Duron 1.3GHz Morgan Core, an MSI K7N 420 Pro nForce w/ SoundStorm, 256MB DDR 266, and the onboard GeForce 2 MX (which was upgraded to a GeForce 4 TI 4200 a few months later). I would upgrade the processor to an Athlon XP 1800+ in August 2002. then by mid of 2003 I built a new system consisting of an Asus A7N8X Deluxe nForce 2 Ultra system with a Barton Core CPU and ATi Radeon 9700 Pro. Sadly I no longer have the nForce 1 motherboard as the capacitors had popped and I wasn't in the mood to solder a new set onto it as I already had the nForce 2.
Those games on the
Desktop brings back memories
Happy Birthday, Phil's brother.
I think I had an Athlon 1400 around this time, then moved up to an AMD 64 when a mate introduced me to MOHAA online gaming. I built us both near identical machines built around the AMD 64 and Nvidia 6600 series cards, as I recall.
Sehr schönes Video Phil, schön das Du Mafia mit eingebunden hast.
i like these longer vids.
in 2002 i had a blue & white power mac g3 :)
I had just a Pentium 3 with no graphics card in 2002. Long story short, my system was butt naked. My Dad at the time couldn't afford to buy any system parts to upgrade, so. He just dug it out of a dumpster and made it work.
Dusted off my old machine earlier and I think this is the exact model of motherboard I have. Also have the 1800 in it and Nvidia 5700 FX. I think I will try to boot it up later. thanks for the video.
Happy Birthday Phils Brother
what a beautiful birthday gift! Timeless.
Back in the day I had a Shuttle KT266A Socket A Board with Athlon XP 2000+, 256MB DDR266, Voodoo 3 3000 PCI, Sound Blaster AWE 64 Gold. I eventually got that upgraded to XP 2600+, 512MB DDR266, Radeon 9800 Pro and a Sound Blaster Live!, 40GB Maxtor with a 8x Phillips CD Burner.
10:08 Got nostalgic... Good ol' Vice City 😂
In 2002 I was still rocking a pre-built Compaq
*AMD K6-2 500mhz
*128mb ram
*20GB HDD
*8mb SiS intergrated graphics
Playing Half-Life at 640x480 at around 30fps, and 320x240 at around 45ish. Good times.
Glad the mainboard worked well for you :) -BexysPC
Thanks :D
I had a Duron 1600 for around 50€, which I delocked with the silver paint, so it ran as a Athlon XP, and i got it clocked at 2GHz. So it was similar to an Athlon XP 2400+. Graphics Card was a GeForce 4 Ti 4200, which got clocked like a 4400. With a 22" CRT Monitor I felt like a king. :-)
Perhaps you should lookout for an Athllon 64 Venice or Barton. I had a Venice which I overclocked from 1800MHz to 2400MHz. After one year or so it got big problems booting with that speed. Sometimes I tryed it 40-50x to get it started. Then I decided to not turn it of anymore. With a 6600GT I played CoD2, which was very exciting, and in the end it was replaced by a used 7950GT, which was incredible fast.
Nice video Phil as always. I can just add that I think 2001-2002 is the most interesting era in PC hardware and gaming being old enough to play most MS-DOS and Windows 98 titles and powerful enough to run more modern type of games like Mafia and GTA III.
In year 2002 I started building a new workstation for work and gaming to upgrade my blown up Thunderbird Athlon 1000MHz so I remember myself deciding between the Penium 4 based Xeons (Foster core) and the Athlon MPs. The Xeon wasn't impressive in terms of performance and was pricey with all the Rambus memory and stuff so I went with Dual Athlon MP 2000+ with 1GB of ECC Reg. DDR memory
For the video card I upgraded my trusty Matrox G450 to GeForce4 Ti 4600 and hardmodded it to Quadro4 900XGL
Put 3 SCSI 15K Cheetah in it and my computer was as loud as it was powerful for the time. Running Windows 2000 it was rock stable during hard 3ds max rendering and playing sometimes at the same time! It managed to get most games running at 1600x1200 on my 22" CRT monitor.
It served well me until 2006 when I upgraded to Dual 3.8GHz Xeon (Irwindale) with 8800GTX but that's another story.
Awesome, thanks for sharing! It's funny, there are lots of mods of GeForce to Quadro, but not the reverse. Because these days, often the Quadro cards can be had for a lower price.
PhilsComputerLab you can convert Quadro to the corresponding GeForce just as easy. Softmodding is done with RivaTuner. For hardmod you need to resolder some resistors on the plate.
I bought my first 'modern' pc in 2001. It was a Dell Dimension 8200 using the dreaded i850 (RAMBUS) chipset. The specs on it were: 1.8GHz P4 (Willamette core), 256MB PC800 RAMBUS, Dell GeForce3 Ti200, SB Live!, 40GB HDD, DVD reader & CDRW. I learned a lot about it and eventually upgraded it to: 2.8GHz P4 (Northwood- it was limited to 400MHz FSB only), 768MB PC800, PNY 6800 AGP (with extra pipes & shader unlocked), SB Audigy 2ZS, 80GB HD & optical drives. That thing would run Return to Castle Wolfenstein, NFSU2, Battlefield 2 and plenty others with improved (although not necessarily maxed-out) graphics. It was great for the time but I learned that I should build my own pc's from then on. It was a blast to have as a machine to learn on.
Did yours come OEM with Windows ME? I have an 8100 (I think!) which was cursed like that.
(What awful technology the whole P4 era from Intel was! When a P3 of the same clock is 30-50% faster you've done something very wrong.)
OEM PCs were bad especially with the capacitor plague with motherboards during the 2000s era, many of them had faulty capacitors that failed after a while, i had a dell dimension 4400 with a pentium 4 northwood 2.0 ghz, 768 mb ram (originally 256 mb), nvidia geforce fx 5200 (originally a ATI rage 128), and a soundblaster live value 5.1 sound card. It ran Windows XP Pro SP3 and i played GTA San Andreas and Need for Speed Underground 2 and others, I used Mozilla Firefox which ran better than chrome and it played youtube on 480p decently, it had hiccups on 720p and was a lagfest on 1080p. I mainly used Facebook and Twitter on it and they both worked fine on it. It suffered the fate of the capacitor plague and it bit the dust after a few months of using it. I got a MSI KT4A Ultra Socket A board with a Athlon XP 2600+, fortunately it has good capacitors and it posts and works good, i need a case for it though, it didn't fit in the dell proprietary clamshell case :(.
Hey Phil! Your videos are awesome. It's like a trip back in time.
Are you from Austria? I think that I know the pc store where your Brother bought the parts 2002 :-)
RaidRazer Yes, it's a store in Vienna.
Wie ich die Rechnung gesehen habe wusste ich es sofort ;-)
I remember when I purchased a top of the line Packard Bell computer from Sears in the late 90's for $1700, it had the 333mhz intel Celeron cpu and I believe the MX 400 GPU and windows 98. Also came with the Large 17" CRT. don't remember how much ram or hard drive but back in those days we measured in mega bytes. I beleive the only upgrade that I made was the cpu to 400mhz. that I purchased at Best Buy for $200. Tomb Raider 1 was the game I played the most. I would love to get my hands on an old pc like this again.
I have AMD Barton 3000+ running without any issues with this board. I paired it with voodoo 5500 it is perfect and no cpu bottleneck at all. A GF TI 4600 is also a perfect match for this cpu.
I had an AMD Duron 750 on an ECS K7S5A with Honey X BIOS, 386MB of 133MHz SD ram, and an Nvidia GeForce MX 440. The Duron ran at 1,102.5 MHz (7.5*147), I don't remember how far I overclocked the MX 440. Was a fun system to game and mod!
I don't have the CPU anymore but I still have the board, memory, and card around somewhere.
Neat idea! In 2002 I built my first gaming PC. It had the following parts: Athlon 1700+, Asus A7V333, 256MB PC2100, and I reused my Voodoo 3 2000 pci card from my first computer until I could afford to buy a Radeon 9000 Pro on clearance. Once I upgraded the GPU I also upgraded to 768MB RAM by buying an additional 512MB stick. Then I overclocked that poor palimino core to something ridiculous like 2.1GHz. I'm surprised it didn't catch on fire! Then I upgraded to a 9800np and overclocked that to an XT (only 128MB ram though). Then I "upgraded" to an Athlon 2600 XP that wasn't really any faster than the poor overclocked palomino. Ah good times. I currently have an Athlon 2000+ Palomino system built with a Radeon 9800XT that I need to put a proper era correct 9100 or 8500 in because that 9800XT is extremely bottlenecked by the Athlon 2000+.
Thanks for the video. In it I discovered a "new" game, "Drakan: Order of the Flame", a great dragon riding game from 1999 starring medieval Lara Crof... I mean, Rynn. One more for the To Play list!
The Asus GF Ti4400 will always have a special place in my heart. It's the only hardware I've ever killed by overclocking... within the first week I've had it.
Went with a Leadtek Ti4400 after that.
I had an Athlon XP 2600+, 2gb ddr ram, soyo kt-880 Mobo, 450 watt generic power supply, ATI Radeon 9200 se 1 500gb & 1 160gb pata for storage expansion, a 60gb for primary OS storage, and an ASUS DVD/cd burner combo pata , I really kinda miss my old rig :( it was a pretty nice machine honestly
Parents bought a Pentium 3 800Mhz in 99 and would have still had it in 2002. Good old Packard Bell, where are you now...
I had a very similar system back then : AthlonXP 2000+, Gigabyte 7VAX (VIA KT400 chipset), 1GB DDR400, and an MSI Geforce4 ti4200 which had an amazing overclocking potential (from 250/450 to 300/500).
Oh, memories. I had my first PC one year later, April 2003:
Athlon XP 2000+
ABIT KD7 (VIA KT400)
512 mb DDR (333 mhz)
Terratec GeForce 4200 Ti (64 mb)
Seagate Barracuda 80 Gb 7200 rpm
Creative Audigy 2
Plextor CD-RW 48x
Dell 17'' CRT (Trinitron)
It costed me about 1000 dollars back then, but it was a very decent build for those times.
If I remember correctly, 2002 was the year I got my first Pentium 4 PC.
These were the specs:
Pentium 4 2.0Ghz (Northwood)
ATi Radeon 7500LE
512MB DDR1 RAM
40GB HDDWindows XP home.
Later on the graphics card died and it was upgraded to a GeForce 6200 and 1.5GB RAM.
Eventually I upgraded the CPU to a 2.8GHz model as well.
Just a quick suggestion Phil: connect the HDD and CD-ROM on separate IDE cables/ports for improved performance. AFAIK, the IDE controller is able to communicate only with one device at a time when they are connected using the same cable/port. I remember this was especially recommended when burning CDs/DVDs.
Yea I looked into that, I cannot tell a difference. All the optical drive is for is for installing Windows.
You can only tell the difference when the devices are performing (read/write/seek) operations simultaneously (copying files from CD to HDD, installing Windows).
This is so close to my build from that time. It was a 1600+, 440MX with 512mg and 20gb HDD for Windows and 60GB for games... :)
I managed to beat Need for Speed Underground on my Duron 700 w a Geforce 2 MX400. The performance you got from that machine is far better than you need! ;)
Your voice mix seems a little low in the gaming sections here, Phil. Listenable but sometimes just a touch fighting with the game audio. Also, any reason you don't enable SMART? I would recommend it, in case those old drives report issues. Otherwise, great video! I had a couple of systems very similar to this back in the mid 00s. One for gaming, the other for a DAW. I remember upgrading to an XP 3200 (I was totally oblivious to overclocking them at this point) and finding that Unreal Tournament 2004 would still choke online with more than about 15 players. Moving up to a Socket 754 CPU completely fixed this. I think I struggled with a GF2MX for a while until I moved onto FX5500s.
It is still faster than my current main pc with Pentium 4 631 from 2009 and i got 2568 in 3dmark 2001!!
It should scale better in later tests.
A 3 GHz Pentium 4 HT should perform better than this. Well unless you're running onboard Intel GMA.
Got one of the P4 631 here myself and got planned to send it through benchmarks soon anyway.
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul it is oc ed to 3.93ghz and i am using the intel gma graphics!! Lol
Because of oc the fsb is 1333mhz
Kuntal ghosh Mine is even worse, I have a Socket 478 Prescott running at 2.8GHz (HT). I do have an AGP Radeon 2400 Pro though, but my CPU is definitely worse.
RogerRHF i actually have a ryzen 7 1700 and the asus prime x370 pro!! But because of money short it will taks soms time for the whole system... Ram is gskill rident z 16gb 3200mhz,gtx 1060 6gb evga ftw, samsoung 750evo120gb it is very cheap in India only 40$ i know it is 100$ on us,case will be a full black mid tower with out any side window as i hate it something under 50$ , 700w cooler master psu.....
in 2002 i had an athlon xp 2600 and an Asus A7n8x E, i remember i had an abit siluro GEFORCE3 back then because i could not afford more money on a better one. (its kind of hard to find a geforce3 now, probably they all died?). It was my first gaming pc, and to honor it,,, i went with a kickass case, a Thermaltake Xaser II black case with window. During that time it was not common to see a black case, and not common to see a case with window. Many people modded their cases and made window with acrylic. in 2015 i found a XASER III aluminum case mint condition, bought it right away and ill keep it till i die...beautifull case. Years after 2002 i went with a Radeon9800pro, an iconic card, the holy grail, that died after 6months of use, i will never forget that card because it fucking died and cost a lot of money. The athlon xp era with the nforce2 ultra was a pain, i remember the ddr400 memory with the nforce2 was so problematic, nforce2 is to blame, only very few selected memory really worked at 400 without problems, the rest started to give thousands of errors in memtest.
In 2002 I had a computer with a Celeron 800Mhz, 128 or 256 MB (don't remember) of RAM and a 3dfx voodoo 1 graphics card. I cannot remember which motherboard I had, but I know that it was one of the cheapest one when I bought it in 2001.
that motherboard is exactly the same layout as my EliteGroup board... Just mine is purple instead of red... Awesome boards
You should have tried playing Battlefield 1942 online on that pc. Loading into the map took almost 4minutes - 64player maps fps dipping every couple of seconds. Unplayable at times on a similar machine(Xp 2100, GF 4mx 440, 256MB of ram) One of the reason i switched to COD UO
Geez, I had these parts 18 years ago :) Same games as well.
I built my friend a system with this board, along with an 1800+. I would spring clean their system every so often, checking for viruses and the like, and the rig always felt very responsive under Windows XP; as though its chip-set was highly-optimized.
That's the CPU that I have in my CPU storage box.That XP 2000+ was tanky back in the days of CS 1.6
Happy birthday
In 2002 I had the infamous Athlon XP 2100+ Palomino (which would crash at just 64C), 512MB RAM, an Asus A7V333 motherboard, and a Geforce 4 Ti4200 AGP8X. Half the time I was trying to prevent the CPU from overheating.
Happy birthday Phil's brother !!!
HB brother of the guy i sometimes watch on youtube.
Ach du bist Deutsch :D
Hab mich schon die ganze Zeit gewundert was das für ein Akzent ist XD
Tolle videos, weiter so!
I used the same CPU with a Geforce 3 200 Ti. Played lots of CS 1.5/1.6 and WoW
Wow this is uncanny. The 2002 machine I'm building is coming out very similar, I even had an MX420 in it until I realised how awful they were! :-)
The PC my family had in 2001 was a Celeron-based hp pre-built, sporting Windows ME. I think it had 768MB RAM. Not at all sure what it was packing graphics chipset-wise, though; it was onboard stuff.
2002 was the year I started with PC-Hardware in general 🤗
My setup was as follows:
INTEL Pentium 4 2,53 GHz (OC'ed to ~2,85 GHz) 💪🏼
ASUS P4T533-C
512 MB RDRAM aka Rambus 😎 (2x 256 MB PC1066)
Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro (Radeon 9700 Pro w. 128 MB DDR) 🚀
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 PCI Sound Card
2x 120 GB Hitachi HDDs in RAID 0
Chieftec Dragon DX-01BLD Case
My favorite game from 2002 was "No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in Harm's Way" 👍🏼
the gforce 420 was blazeing lit fam
If you want more of those, check out Druaga1's GeForce GT 420 video.
Wow this was one of my original gaming pcs lol. Athlon XP 1600 Throroughbred and MX 440
Got some clarification to do based on you're video content:
1 ) The first gpu it's not based on sdr (shows 333mhz on 128bit with 5.3gb/s bandwidth) ,it's either a ddr based or gpu-z shows wanky informations.
2) Both of those Athlons XP are capable of 166mhz FSB wich is a real tangible performance boost over 133mhz (even more so with that 333mhz ddr1). Just drop the multiplier down to match the original speed with 166mhz fsb if you do not wish to OC.
3) I know this is your brother computer , but man that gf4 in 2002 was a bust, way better off with radeon 9500
1) That gf4mx420 is actualy based on sdram but gpu-z is reporting speed and bandwidth incorrectly. It's actually sdram 166mhz with 2,66gb/s bandwidth ,if it's a 128bit wide interface (there were also 64bit sdram with 1,3gb/s bandwidth :) )
I wasn't in the pc scene until around 2005-2006 but i had a Socket A Sempron 2800+ , 1.25 gb of ram and a ATI 9600 Pro graphics card that had 256mb of Vram,Back in the day it was a pretty good system handled everything i threw at it,i wanted to upgrade to a Athlon but it was too expensive then...i still have this mobo & cpu combo in the attic. :D
A good combo! I can't wait to review the 9600 Pro for example.
PhilsComputerLab it was a great combo,I believe the board was an Asus a7v8x-la from a HP PC and the brand of the 9600 pro was club3D,would be awesome if you could do a review of that specific card.
maaan, such nostalgia, back than I had an Athlon XP 1600+ with 256 MB of ram (later 512 in a weird 2x128+1x256, all different :P ) and an Abit Siluro GF4 4200 Ti. I think I had a Gigabyte mobo that suffered a lot, first I scratched it when I installed the cooler (pressed too hard with a screwdriver on the short side of the lever) and later my PSU died and in the process it completely melted the atx connector plastic shroud .. still, the mobo soldiered through with just some swollen caps.. Ended up selling the setup for my next upgrade.
Great video, Phil! Thanks!
now that's one hell of a brother!
Cool these german connections
In 2002 I was wery lucky to get a brand new computer, some Abit MoBo, Pentium 4 1.7, Abit Siluro Ti 4200, 512MB RAM and 80GB Hard Drive. I played Vice City so many times on that machine. Just hearing of Ti 4200 brings so many fond memories. Especialy considering that on the previous PC I had a shitty Riva TNT2 xD I was barely playing GTA III with everything on minimum but with the new one I could put everything on max and still get a great FPS.
Just built my retro machine a couple of days ago to play games from 98-03. Has the Ath 2600, GeForce 7800 BFG, 1024MB of ram and a 320 gig 7200RPM hard drive. Just wanting to know if I should install Windows XP 32 or 64 bit. That seems to be the best OS for the time period of the hardware.
Still have mine! Syntax sv266a mobo. AMD athlon xp 2000+ 1.6mhz 266bus. 2 Corsair twin x ddr 512mb 400mhz. Power color Radeon 9200se 128mb. 2 hdd's. CDRW, DVD, and two floppy drives.
1:42 That cooler's windings look like ninja's eyes
In 2002 I had a Dell Dimension 8200. To this day it’s still my main pc.
Heres the specs:
-3.06 Ghz pentium 4
- Geforce FX 5200
-1 GB RDRAM
do you still use it online? browsing the web (especially youtube) with a pentium 4 nowadays is quite awful
@@talvisota327 Yes, I use it online quite often. Browsing TH-cam with my processor I notice some slowdowns every once and a while, however, it's pretty usable and videos play nicely at 360p (Which actually looks good on my old Sony Trinitron monitor). The only sad thing is that the Dimension 8200 BIOS doesn't support HT, so that doesn't really help the situation either.
@@apreese16 i didnt see your answer before because somehow i didnt get any notification... yeah watching youtube videos on old single cores with around 3 ghz is possible but only if you dont do anything else at the same time. like watching a video and browsing the web at the same time doesnt work. sadly youtube uses html5 now, back in the day when flash was used, the cpu load was much lower and you could even watch videos on old pentium 3 pcs. which OS are you running on your P4?
At around 6:24 I noticed the RAM speed was at 333 MHz and you said it was on par with the FSB of the CPU.
The 1800+ only had a stock FSB at 266 MHz.
So you actully had a slightly OC'ed FSB there.
The T-bred variant with the right stepping was a great overclocker. My old one with JIUHB stepping ran stable at 426 MHz FSB with quite tight timings. The CPU got clocked to just about 2,5 GHz using watercooling.
Nah I just got it mixed up. It must have used a non 1:1 RAM divider.
I always used one of those little metal plates that fit over the Athlons, around the edge and had holes for the foam pads. I don't know what they were called... slightly thinner than the height of the die and made it less scary to have a heavy heatsink on there, which I needed when I had the 3200+ overclocked. I think I still have all of those parts, I should look through storage and see if they're still around. I'll need to find a cheap case but that's easy enough.
That being said, in 2002 or so I was on an old PIII Dell that I got from a yard sale for $5, it was missing most of its parts but I eventually found a spare hard drive and disc drive to get it running. It was a huge upgrade from my old Pentium, though I really wish I still owned both machines.
That little metal plate was a CPU shim.
That's more or less the system I had myself back then. Only, I had an SiS chipset, I forget the model number, but I remember the chipset was noted for being fast on the socket A, it had dual channel DDR, which was pointless because the FSB was too slow on socket A to make use of the bandwidth! - Also, it was the GeForce 4200Ti I had too.
Also, like your brother, I upgraded to a GeForce 6600 and a socket 939 Athlon 64 3500+ and I was able to reuse the RAM which was useful.
grate video as always. You should do more benchmarks with GTA vice city and Mafia :D those games are what I try to run on my Windows 98 computer.
Happy birthday phill!
I recently put together an Athlon XP 3000+, AGP 4x, with a ti4200 and got a slightly higher 3DMark2001 score (10941). Makes me think your ti4400 is CPU limited and not just the 6600 GT.
I have three of those motherboards sitting here and they're all toast. Keep an eye on the capacitors.
Honestly, I'd be interested to see someone make a game today that can run on these older computers. This series supports DX8.0a max, though, so nearly any title - even indie titles - released today would probably fail to run. Pretty big shame.
My 2002 machine is a Sony vaio pcv rx650 recently maxed out with:
1.6ghz p4-->2.4ghz p4 limited by 400mhz fsb.
An 80gb hdd
At some point got an Agp ati
hd3450
1gb 266mhz ddr ram(maxed out)
Thing weighs 30lbs.