SWAPPED AN M50 MANIFOLD ON THE M3 (here's what I learned)
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Ayoh! One piece of info... the kit was only $189.00 NOT $260. Excuse my bad memory, and thanks for watching guys!
Why do the swap if you ger torque loss?
Ohh. Smoother.
Because with the right mods you regain the torque, and the power increase is more than the torque loss.
also, not sure if anyone has used it, but kasselperformance has a m50 manifold kit for like 150 bucks and has a tune bundled with it for 384 bucks. anyone used it? opinions? I'm looking at it and might get it to replace my dinan tune (328is m sport)
Do you have a 3.5 inch HFM with your Dinan tune? Or just the stock one?
+1 for the Manifold swap, Congrats man! I hope it solved the altitude, ill have to make it back out there to see how much it changed the car! sweet setup man, enjoy it!
M3NACE the God!
I absolutely 100% agree with you that there is a major opening up in the higher rpm, I definitely notice that the rpms do not taper off and slow down, it actually increases from 5000 to 6000 rpm.
Did this to my S52 M Roadster about 12 years ago. My used M50 manifold cost me $50 delivered on Ebay! Shipping was alot cheeper back then. Installed myself over the weekend. Didn't buy anything else, just used a modification guide I found on line. Best thing I ever did, to any car. For the unaware, the single vanos has 2 positions and turns around 3400rpm. With the m50 manifold the motor is a little soft but progressive below the change. Its when the cam turns, the real difference begins. With the s52 manifold, the motor comes on hard, the tq spikes to a peak @3600rpm, continues to pull to 5k or so, before sounding like it's going to explode as the small runners choke the motor. Some people love the tq hit, the midrange power especially if you are a city driver and like to drag from light to light. But, I live for the windy road and even moved to the mnts(I ride also). Driven in the mnts w/the s52 manifold, when the vanos turns, the tq spike in 2nd or 3rd gear can be a handfull. If I were a pro-driver I guess I would just drift those corners sideways. But I am no pro and prefer to keep my car in line. With the m50 manifold, the midrange is still incredibly powerfull, pulling smoothly and quickly from 2k-6k. The car feels more like a sports car, flexable yet willing to rev. Around 6k, BMW uses a soft revlimiter, pulling fuel and leaning out the motor b4 the actual redline/limiter. A ecu reflash restores the fuel and usually sets a 7k redline. But use 7k with restraint, the bottom end of the US S50/S52 is not strong as the euro "M" motors.
At some point I would like to see another dyno to see exactly how much power this car has gained after all the upgrages.
I didnt notice any loss but I have all na mods possible. I also tuned it same day. It makes her pull way better up top. You couldnt have said it better than engine feels happier now. Before it was bottlenecked. Good job man. Let's see what tune does
I have a 98 E36 coupe 323i, I have done the m50 manifold swap, custom made all the brackets which are needed to move the manifold slightly and modified the m50 to take the original m52 mounting plate and vacuum pipes & oil separator diaphragm pipe work, deleted the asc+t throttle body by soldering in a 10ohm resistor so its presence is simulated and airbag and abs still work, also running a 4.6 kg billet flywheel and 228mm clutch + cdv delete! There is a slight loss of torque low down but still using the oe air box with a k&n filter, pulls smoothly in third gear to 90+mph.....
Congrats on the new toy. I did the swap myself. I purchased the Tuner’s package along with the stage 2 turning, 24lbs injectors and CAI. It took me a while to do the upgrade, more like weeks lol. That’s because I changed all the coolant hoses and did complete overhaul to belts, hoses, water pump, thermo, pulleys, and still managed to pull 16 hours shift at work. Would I do it again : yes.
Glad you like it Gavin! I knew you're going to be happy with it.
You woke up the worm for more-and-more horsepower didn't you... So what you'll be doing next? You're on the top of the game with the current setup I believe, not much left to be done and keep it stock!
Btw three days ago I did everything underneath on my car - front and rear suspension, new gearbox, new clutch set and new s3.45 LSD - damn you can feel it right?! I'd give you e36 2.0 just for an hour to see whatta gem of a car you actually own.
Keep taking care of your car and pulling those smiles! Stay fresh mate, cheers
Glad you are getting SPG.
M3 is a fun car and yes. It's meant to be rung out. But then again aren't BMW M engines about revs? 😮
Hope this isn't asking too much. Can you make a video or even just a chronological list of the mods you've made since owning your m3 and any advice on tuning etc. that went with the mods?
I just got a 98 328ic and the M50 intake with a cold air intake system will be my first mod
killer E36, I did my manifold swap, love it. I have had zero issues.
As a former student of anatomy, I will say this, at 2:54 "That's not what a human knee looks like. lol
M52/s52 definitely chokes with obd2 mani. I still need to swap mine and delete the second throttle body+ resistor for the light
shoulda done a 0-60 test before and after swap but maybe now can do before and after tune
That's a good idea!
Great video man! It definitely changes the characteristic of the car for the better! my car only lost about 5wtq but it it put down 246whp & 223 wtq after the install :)
So what do us 3.0 guys do for an upgrade if we already have the manifold? Lol
Glad to see you back and glad to see the e36 still going strong and running better then ever!
Just consider yourself lucky that you don't have to do the swap haha.
Allen B. - the swap is only good for M52's. The perfect companion to the m50 manifold on an
M52 is to chip the ECU. On the post '96 M52's they are a plug and play. You can buy chips on line pretty easy and they literally plug in and away you go. While the manifold flows more air it also shifts the torque curve up in the RPM's. The chip ups the injector rate to match the extra air and also helps to bring the torque back down closer to mid-range. The chip also advances the
ignition timing a fair bit. I had a '95 328i that I had to buy a "hard wired" chipped ECU (this is on '95 and earlier - way more hassle and expensive). It definitely gave it extra HP but unfortunately I didn't get around to fitting the manifold. If I had another go I would choose a post '96 for this
reason. I still have the manifold and it's begging me to strap it up to something.
Allen B. Stealth s52 swap on obd1
He is right i did the intake swap on m52b28 motor and before the swap the car goes nose down after 5k rpm but after the intake swap it pulls hard all the way to the rpm limiter and it feels like an extra 15hp that my butt dyno noticed
After I did my mani swap I fixed the low end torque loss by putting a legit cai in. Just fyi for those running a shorty
I am in the process of installing my manifold VIA obd1 wire harness and manifold brackets, and custom tubing . I am using the rmengineering guide.
Tons of tweaks needed to the obd1 bracket, fuel rail and etc
Fully installed, and saved $200 by not buying a useless kit.
I have done the M50 Swap on my 328i, really liked the rev happiness, then i got a remapped ecu. It rips! The M50 swap is really useless without the Remap, both of them are like butter & toast, meant to go together!
That's good to hear!
definitely needs remap, the stock rev limiter in m52 is horrible
Great sound, not high pitch, but low and throaty. Can I ask what type of exhaust set up you have on it?
Check out my video about the headers. I go over everything in detail in that one 👍. It's a bit of a custom setup
Nice I can't wait to do this to my m3. I definitely need some more airflow after my injectors broke and got a good deal on a set of 280cc ones. Its worth getting a oil catch can and just deleting the ccv. My car runs a lot better since I put the catch can in.
I've been thinking about doing that. Maybe I'll have to get one.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets the one I got was just a cheap ebay one and it drains right back into the oil pan
Where do you live? Do you have trouble passing emissions??
@@TreatsOnTheStreets I live in wa. I'm not sure I have a 2 year waiver since when i bought my car it had the cel on. But I haven't got any new codes since I installed it. If I run into any troubles with emissions I'll let you know.
I remember doing this to my 328i I need to go back through and replace all my vacuum lines
I have done the swap on my e36 and got the kit for swap it was pretty easy and it cost me just under 300 including kit & intake manifold.
great video, nice driving! i did mine with no tune yet.... waiting on supercharger from RMS, what suspension are you running?
Megan spec rs coilovers 👍
Post more man. Great video !
Thanks for the vid. Did you tune the car after the mod the M50 manifold install?
NVM just saw your other VID. THanks
What About the 6 speed swap?
Gavin, did you ever install the tune? how much low end torque did it restore?
I've had 2 tunes from 2 diff tuners. In my experience the torque comes back a bit but will never have the low end it has with the stock manifold. The power and is shifted higher but now it does not run out of steam at high rpm and keeps pulling. Worth it if you spend time at high rpm but not worth it if you don't.
Nice video, can I do this to my 98 328i? Also, I live in California, is this going to throw the check engine light on, smog laws here are ridiculous.
Yes. Your 98 328 has an m52 so you can swap the m50 onto it. Won't throw any check engine lights if you do it right.
Thanks
Good review!
Hey, are you working out of a storage unit? If so, how much does it cost to rent one of those? By the way, thanks for all the content :)
Around $200 a month for this one.
Did you get a check engine light after the manifold swap? Mine has a check engine light and I did the swap correctly with a kit runs perfect I heard maybe the ECU may need to get use to the new intake and light eventually will go off? Just wondering if you came across a check engine light at all
Most common check engine lights after manifold swaps are due to vacuum leaks
Did you ever change to the larger HFM and notice a difference with that?
Any bolt on mod with the e36 is going to be very minimal with gains. You don't notice much between them other than the manifold swap in my experience. You do all the small stuff so it adds up when they're all together
hey, so I'm using a Castrol 0w40 European blend, but I've noticed a ticking noise in my engine after its warm. my guess is that, once it gets warm and once the oil thins out from heat, my valvetrain isnt getting thick enough oil. I'm in Denver so my climate is pretty similar. how's rotella been for you? I'm at 187k and I just wanna keep my engine in good condition, but that 5w40 looks enticing now that I think my 0w40 is too thin. also just got some new headers, and am gonna m50 manifold swap as well!
A lot of people use Castrol and it seems to be pretty good. You could always try the Rotella T6 and see what happens. I used to use Mobil1 but switched to rotella because I was burning a quart every 3k miles and now I don't burn a drop. Worth a try I guess.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets yeah I'll try, thanks!
do you still have the CCV, or have you deleted it? if deleted, where did you vent the crank case hose?
I still have it but will get rid of it soon for a catch can
@@TreatsOnTheStreets have you figured out where you will be venting the return line from the catch can? i see so much back and forth debating regarding where it goes.. my car has it vented to atmosphere under the car (by revious owner).. and from what i read, this is BAD.
From what I understand, venting to atmosphere isn't necessarily bad except bad for the environment. You should be able to use the same return area under the intake boot that the stock system uses for the return. You just want it to be post-maf.
I appreciate your channel.
Now I want an e36 for drifting
801 gang 👌🔥
Nothin like driving a slow car fast🤙
What is that front lip? I LOVE it!!!
Thanks man. Link is in the description of the video 👍.
What size tire and wheels do you have?
What style is this rims ?
Just curious why don’t you use mobile 1 or liqui moly??
Nothing beats lubro moly or now known as liqui moly
My car burned 1 qt every 3k miles on Mobil 1. Doesn't burn a drop with this stuff. A lot of local track cars use Rotella T6 and have had good luck. I hear a lot of good things about the liqui moly as well. If it wasn't twice the cost I would probably run that.
Liqui Moly all day. I change my oil every 3 months. Even if I don't drive 3K in that time. Take my 💰!
The diesel truck oil is good stuff, however if you still have cats, you might ruin them. There is a lot of zinc in that oil and it isn't nice to catalytic converters.
U use 5w40? My E36 M3 has 197K but drives like a charm, I use 0w40, a friend suggested that I should use 10w40 instead, what do u think?
Since the first number is for winter or cold weight, hence the W, that really just depends on the climate where you live.
I live in NJ, so should I do 10w40?
If it snows and gets below freezing I would not use 10w40 and would either use 0w or 5W
Would the same headlights you bought fit in my 95 M3 sedan
The link to the exact headlights is in the description. Click the link and I'm sure the ad says which cars it will fit. I think it would, but I know the blinker lights or "corner lights" aren't compatible between coupe and sedan.
Still so blown you didn’t do a m50 manifold install video....
Haha sorry man. I have to pick and choose my battles.
Are you running the Dinan heat shield with the intake?
No. I took it off because it wouldn't fit with my new headlights.
I wonder if this will work on my Z3
If it has an m52 or s52 it should work just fine
What exhaust is that? Sounds great!
Thanks! All stock except a Dinan axle back.
It's the intake in the car, the intake sound on these cars are ridiculous! I love the sound of mine too and I got a K&N filter
I question your oil choice. I have used Liquimoly exclusively for all my vehicles for over 20 years with no failures.
What halos are you running?
Check the link in the description to my website. You'll find em there.
It must be the water in Utah.
I run 15w50, but i live in Southern California and its usually hot
God dammit i gotta do this now
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Old one had more surface area. They cheated you :)
You totally used the word "Naraly" wrong lol :)
I think you mean “gnarly” lmao
I'm a newb need help ...lol
I do know one thing, I would never ever buy a vehicle that you had ever owned!
Why’s that?