Two Royal Enfield Classic 350s One is stock, One has all the mods, Whats the difference?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- My Royal Enfield Classic 350 Reborn has 15,00 miles on it and has all the available bolt on goodies supposed to improve the bike.....
Friend Bob has same bike with 3000 miles and is totally stock. So what is REALLY the difference?
You may be a bit disappointed at the results which cannot be hidden on camera if you spent approx £800 on the extras...
I guess that RE have perfected the Classic 350 as standard, all I have changed are things like touring seats, bar end mirrors and heated grips. After over 2 years this is still the best bike I have owned in 54 years, relaxing and just great fun to ride, every journey a pleasure. 😊
Non engine extras are prob all needed to improve the bike in a few areas and it is indeed stick or modified a fantastic bike! 😁👍👍
Cheers Bruce
Solo seat and bar ends is all I've done.
Tried the airfilter, didn't impress, and was too noisy .
Love as is after two years.
Great vid thanks Bruce.
My 350 is stock and my pal’s has DNA filter and cam. Bikes have v similar mileage and we’re roughly same weight.
We’ve tested the bikes performance numerous times and can confirm that at lower revs there’s no discernible difference in performance.
But at higher revs he simply pulls away from me every single time. Especially up hills or into a headwind.
We both have and ride other bigger bikes, but we absolutely love the relaxed riding experience that the 350 Classics bring.
RE 350’s are an absolute hoot to ride with or without mods. The additional few horses that the filter and cam gives is in my view worthwhile. But we’re all different. Thankfully.
Great channel Bruce👍🏍
Thanks for the info on your Enfields, my bike deft better back on stock gearing again 😁👍
Hi Bruce. That's the best way of showing the improvements (or lack thereof) from tuning parts. I'm leaving mine bog standard as a lot of folk are saying that the cam only produces power at the top end but is cursed with less torque low down. Volcanic Brown bought back one of his 350s that had been tricked out and came to the same conclusion and appears to be in the process of switching it back to OEM parts. I've never fitted a performance cam to any bike that improves everything and performance air filters can only improve air flow when balanced with the correct exhaust or if the OEM filter is too small for the engine.
I put the bike back to stock gearing today and it goes a
lot better now, just cruising along 😁
You’d need a big bore/higher compression piston to really benefit from the performance cam. Maybe needing to change fuel grade in the process too.
Coincidentally I talked about the same thing in my video I uploaded today. I did the decat pipe and DNA air filter and I'm very happy with the changes they make to the bike. I don't think that I'll bother with the cam as, like you say, it's not really that kind of bike is it?
I think that perhaps some people have too high an expectation with these mods and they may be trying to turn their Classic 350 into something that it's not designed to be.
I think the de cat pipe and DNA are all you need and not money wasted, you get the induction noise and small improvement mid range for a half hour on the spanners 😁👍
Cheers Bruce
Very interesting video Bruce, there are others who have said exactly the same thing about the uprated cam, loved the camera view from the tank 👍
Hi Mark folks have said to disconnect the fuel X and try my bike so i may well try that as last try to keep the Cam
Mine is stock except for the airbox cover, I use the OEM air filter with the Hitchcock's DNA style cover and the bike isn't any faster but it is easier to hold speed in winds or on slight grades.
Hi James, your bike will have a nice induction noise too! 😁👍
Good video Bruce, the two disappointments seem to be the camshaft and the 16T sprocket, the DNA filter is a good investment as is removing the Cat mine has improved with they changes. keep them coming
Hi Davy thats deft my findings too! 👍 keep motor stock and open the pipe and air filter! 👍
The bike does deft run better on stock gearing!
I have the cam, DNA, and free flow exhaust on mine, and I found that a small increase of power is noticeable going uphill or against the wind. At the end of the day, it's still a 350. Great video!
Hi, there is indeed a tiny increase in power in mid range, esp on standard gearing 👍
@Coastriderscotland I'm keeping my gearing standard. I did, however, try the standard air filter with the DNA plate, and that actually worked the best with the cam, but I prefer the induction sound with the upgraded filter.
Old biker and mechanic here. I believe in the old adage; 'if you want a powerful bike; buy a powerful bike' and that is certainly not what the beautiful little 350 is about. Having said that; I would do the mods to help the poor thing breathe more easily, but the air filter and the decat exhaust would probably be as far as I would go. Those mods would not necessarily be aimed at upping performance, but at engine longevity and well being as the long term ramifications of being so restricted on intake and exhaust cannot be good.
Hi, the two basic mods of de cat and airbox end are both cheap and enough to notice the engine breathing better and will be the only things i change on my next Classic 350,and there will deft be another as fantastic bikes for the money 😁👍
Cheers Bruce
Love the video's. You could cheat and never ride with a standard classic again - then all the mods will be amazing 😂
But seriously - one of the best ownership experiences of this wee bike is that you WANT to fiddle and change it. I love that you can change the cam shaft - why not! The more we fiddle, the more the deep bond forms. So yes - a modern (classic) bike from a top form marque (RE are on a fantastic roll) is going to have billions of hours of calibration to make it superb . But all the changes make it your bike - deep, deep down. And that's worth every penny you've spent. Even if standard is best - if I had one - I would also be tinkering all the bloomin time, because it just encourages it.
Smashing vids - love the bike, and roads.
Hi and thanks!, and agree some of us cannot help but tinker with things and these bikes invite you to do it!
Even if folks change things and go back to stock they are discovering things about their bikes 😁👍
@@Coastriderscotland indeed - although I also think you forgot tyres! The trail tyres was an inspired mod for crumbly roads.
As you know Bruce, all I've done to mine is fit the Hitchcocks air intake cover, and swapped the cat pipe for a straight through piece of stainless pipe , which has also changed the exhaust sound for the better , and that's as much as I'm doing to it , and I'm happy with it as it now is .
Great video again and yeah you can't beat a visit to Greggs on a ride out 😊👍
Cheers Mel 🍻
Hi Mel, thats the only changes to do i think, i still got my India rusty pipe and stainless pipe, now cleaned up and painted and will put it on any 350’s that cone along in the future along with the Hitchcocks airbox end 👍😁
Interesting video, I have only fitted the DNA filter and the induction noise is awesome. I do have a decat pipe which I was going to fit but I'm so happy the way the bike is I think I will leave it off. But as long as the bike puts a smile on your face thats the main thing. Always fantastic content....keep it up and ride safe 👍
Thanks, i think how it sounds are more important than changing a cam etc, enjoy the bike just cruising along 😁👍
Cheers Bruce
I'm sticking with dna filter and decat, gives a nice growl to the exhaust note. Whilst I don't thrash it, I do think the engine enjoys a few revs from time to time. At least mine does 😀
Deft the bike likes to breath! Those two mods are all thats needed and can be done on the cheap or with the Hitchcocks products 👍😁
Bruce, haven’t messaged for a while, as I’ve been away, hope you are well. I really loved my classic, I did the DNA mod, de cat pipe panniers, engine bars etc and other cosmetics and Hitchcock rev counter. It went really well with decat and easily indicated 73+. Although, I did feel like I was wringing its neck on dual carriageways, they are great back road bikes for sure. So now my confession, I sold mine, reluctantly. The main reason was at 6’2 and 34” inseam I always felt like I was sitting on top of the bike and never felt completely comfortable. So alas I am no longer an RE owner but I still am very fond of the bikes, the brand, build quality and exceptional value for money, ride safe mate.
Hi Paul, good you experienced and enjoyed your 350 when you did 😁👍👍
Paul you really should give the Meteor 350 a try, ideal for the taller rider :)
Paul you really should give the Meteor 350 a try, ideal for the taller rider :)
Love the camera position
Hi, magnet mount on Go Pro 10 on top yolk 👍😁
Great to hear your views. Being a miser the only thing I would probably do to any moder bike is to fit the freer-flowing air filter (although I would have to know for definite that it would not make the engine run too lean). Thus far the only time I have fitted a non-OEM "performance part" was when a stock airfilter was not available.
Hi Carl, the £20 Hitchcocks filter end would be a safe purchase for some induction noise which i think makes the bike sound a lot more powerful faster! 😜😁👍
Love the old lady poking at something at the 4:52 mark. The quintessential octogenarian. A true role model for us older lads.
Ha i did see her looking around 😁
Good to hear Bob is back out on the bike and going well by the looks if it Bruce. 😁👍
It sure is Colin, meant to pop in today to say hello but got sidetracked by back roads 🤣😜😁👍👍
Maybe that lazy low revving engine is part of the charm of the classic 350? It slows the world down to the 1950's
It is definitely a time travel bike and takes you back to a world of less rushing about 😁👍
Enjoyed that. I got married in Coldstream and my sister in law lives in Kelso.
I'm in for a decat pipe, red rooster exhaust, hunter throttle body and dna so far.
I'll still do the 16 tooth and the cam because I just enjoy the tinkering on.
And I'll enjoy my placebo effect too.
Great video as always.
Thanks and its some folks natural garage life to tinker with bikes 😜😁👍👍
Hi Bruce, had you done this video, 🤔 about a year ago, I could’ve saved myself a fortune 😢 why do some people (err me 😔) buy a slow bike an then spend hard earned, trying to make it go faster? “lesson learned” so I’ve bought it’s big brother, but don’t worry, I’m keeping the the 350 or as you would say, the whee one. Slainte Mhath 🥃 SS.
Hi a lot of owners inc me did all this and should have just used the bike but half of it is the fun tinkering owning bikes! 😁👍🏴🥃
I've been on the fence for ages about fitting the cam..... and I fitted one to my himalayan 411... when I rode with my mate on a stock 411 he pulled away from me....exactly the same scenario...I had 2 tooth less rear sprocket, dna filter, cam ...his was standard filter standard exhaust... no real difference... the only thing my 411 was good at was dropping revs by 500 rpm to sit on a motorway at 65....
My classic has decat, standard tail pipe, and dna filter... I don't think it can be made any better...tbh I will probably put standard filter back in, cheap product... I decided to have more power from my himi I'd change it for the 450..... I guess if you want more power buy a bigger bike is totally true 😂
I think you nailed it in your reply with all thats needed to get small improvement is the decat and filter, and all i would now recommend, save the money for fuel and miles of smiles 😁👍👍👍
@Coastriderscotland absolutely mate... the classic 350 is a brilliant bike, but not better for being fettled.
Very interesting Bruce, as long as you still enjoy that's all that matters, you can always take it out if it's spoiling the experience for you (I hope not!)
Hi Glyn, hopefully the cam is only really been disappointing with the talker than stock gearing and going back to stock gearing it should be ok 👍😁
@@Coastriderscotland It does sound like it's dragging its arse a bit with that taller gearing 🤪
A soft tuned engine will always be faster when being ridden in normal conditions, because the wide spread of power makes it easier to ride and more responsive.
It deft rides fine stock Colin 😁👍
Mine came with DNA filter kit fitted and a very loud muffler. Too loud for around town. Thankfully it also came with the stock muffler. I put the stock back on. Much better and it no longer spits and barks on over run.
The stock muffler does have a lovely noise 😁
Maybe the higher gearing cancels out the cam power increase?
I think it does and back on stock gearing the bike is nicer to ride 😁👍👍
Watching from Aus but I’m damned if I can understand you so I’m disappointed that I can’t learn the outcome.but I do like the camera placement as the main criticism here is whether the 350 s can manage the freeways, looks like they can , just, so that’s good.
😁👍
Am no mechanic. Just a rider who loves it when out n about, coming home with a big cheesy grin.
The upgrades I got done to Bumble, I have not considered the price, just gone and gotten it done. Am I silly, yes possibly. Am I worried, re this……no I ain’t!
I wasn’t totally convinced, re the cam. Calum, at the garage did say, re the fuel X, you won’t need that…….. I feel the bike felt more enjoyable, prior to cam/fuel X/throttle body. Ok, seen 85 on a the gps, but run out of road😂.
Do i normally ride like this……no.
So probably should have left it with dna filter and plate, de cat and the red rooster.
As you say Bruce. If I had another J series. I would as you say, just do the filter plate and standard filter, and the de cat pipe.😊
I might get the fuel X taken out, and see how she is. I did say this in my last video.
Just enjoy the ride. Warhorse is Awesomeness 😊
Hi Mark, if you have spent the money buying the parts you may as well use them as cannot sell them for much!,
I will leave the bike as is now- i fitted the higher touring bars this affy and it feels better and is a match for the higher touring seat 👍😜😁
@@Coastriderscotland that’s one big comfy looking seat. Hopefully the bars make it more comfortable ride out.
Yeah. It’s done. So not changing.
Just awaiting some dry days to get the shocks and tyres fitted.
And get Miley checked over.
Watching this has probably made my mind up not to bother with the cam ,and certainly not bother with sprocket changes. I have the dna...that I'm in 2 minds about keeping, a decat with standard pipe, whichi think does help free up the engine...... but at the end of the day, its a beautiful 350 that sits at 60/65 ...I don't even like taking it to 70..... its slower than my wife on her meteor by a country mile, probably because the weight difference of me and a classic in comparison to my wife and a meteor is about 45kgs😂.... and trying to make it something it isn't is pointless. The classic 350 is perfect as it comes really
@@widephil yep spend the money on fuel and cafe stops 😁👍👍
I have a stock Classic 350 and feel that its a waste of money in my view spending on the camshaft etc. I have aftermarket exhaust so sounds nice and and panniers for country lanes its all I need.
Hi Peter, my first aftermarket pipe and Hitchcocks airbox end would have been enough along with the panniers for myself too and all i would do next time! 😁👍
@Coastriderscotland yep great bike for the small roads i just enjoy the bike
@@Coastriderscotland great channel by the way
So many options for modifying/personalizing the Meteors. Not much you can do to improve performance to that 350 engine. As you said, intake and exhaust are the best mods so far. I've been waiting to see if someone will crack the programmed speed and rev limiters. 😉 🥃
Hi Lance, i think only airbox and decat for nice noise and slight increase in mid range are all that is needed, save the money for some nice bottles of Malt 🥃🥃🥃😁👍
Hunter 350 comes without the speed limiter I heard.
@@Coastriderscotland Been there, done that. 😎 And about 12 other non-engine mods. 🥃
@@jimstenlund6017 I've got a Hunter as well as a Meteor and had a Classic first, my Hunter was speed limited, another owner's wasn't, same model numbers on the Throttle Bodies, different to the Meteor.
So performance wise, just switch the air filter out and get a better flowing exhaust, and comfort wise just a better seat and some saddle bags?
I would say just do that exactly and enjoy the bike for what it is 😁👍
It might be an idea to try the cam without the FuelX? I’m thinking that they may be interacting incorrectly.
What you thinking fella? I fitted cam and fuel x lite so would be interested in why you say that.
@@philpeacock7803 I’m wondering whether the FuelX and cam together are making the engine run too rich at lower speed therefore guzzling a bit too much petrol. Just a theory, not tried out.
Hi Steven, i could disconnect the fuel X lite and reset it and try it just to see
@@Coastriderscotland it might be a good idea to try. I think that with the cam in you might not need the FuelX because the revised cam may already richen up the mixture at town speed. The reason I think this is that Volcanic and Wee Mark have noticed extra soot buildup in the exhaust, so I had a think about it and this is my conclusion. It must be remembered that I had no issues at all on the Meteor as I never fitted the cam to it, and everything else was fine on it.
I like the camera position, maybe place it slightly higher ?
Hi, its a view i could try mount higher as few folks seem to like it 😁👍
Bruce, what really matters is the grin on your face regardless of which bike you ride today. Both cause an ear to ear grin that lasts a few days after, ammirite?? 😁
This bike deft puts a big grin on my face every time i ride it 😁👍👍
@@Coastriderscotland Bruce, you are aware, those bikes conspire on methods of bringing that big grin to you face, right!!
What town where you in for the coffee and sausage roll?
Kelso for a Greggs 😁👍👍
Nosey question, how tall are you? I'm 5'7" but must have low inside leg. I'm putting the lower seat on my Classic next week as the standard seat is a little over where I can flat foot at a standstill both sides. No upgrades for me going forward as I also watch Warro as I know you do too😇
Hi Simon, i am 5ft 11” and long back and arms, the bike feels better now with the touring saddle fitted 👍😁
@@Coastriderscotland Luck you for being so tall. I think I'm on the height wise like WeeMark.
@@simonchilli2088 The low seat is a good option, it is hard and needs a few hundred miles to break in but after it was I found it to be more comfortable than the touring seat.
@@jamesharvey44 Cheers for the info James.
You don't seem to even get it up to 70! I wonder if there is any difference getting to and passing 70mph.
The bike pulls a lot better since this as went back to stock gearing 😁👍
I sold my 350classic. Prefer my 500. Much better torque. Nothing wrong with the 350 though. But 500 feels strong and has the 'character ' 😂
The 500 deft has loads more torque! 💪😁👍
what mount for that camera POV?
Hi, Go Pro Hero 10 on a magnet mount on top yolk 👍😁