Very valid comments saying shiver strike gamble is harder than prism hunter’s ability spam. I run into prism Titan a lot in skill island and it wins games. Perhaps shiver strike isn’t as accessible as my games showcase it. Regardless what is your next meta predictions?
Prismatic hunters with dusk field + spirit of renewal with whatever else just because it blocks a large area and slows which is pretty good atm but can be used defensively and as a forced coliseum where you immediately have a good advantage, slow can be used to shut down a lot of movement like blink and abilities like lightning surge so you basically counter prismatic warlock, this is my main fear since I main warlock (blink)
Hunters have a plethora options, warlocks will dawn with ophidian and prism blink.titans will continue to be mid because there ability’s are not free like other classes they have to close the distance and everyone has special ammo so it’s just not as threatening especially in a team fight.
@@popeshopes9973 diamond lance is very free along with abayant leap drengers lash and thruster, knockout has so many buffs without needing to change your play style, it just helps out in the background giving you free punch kills from further away randomly while your saying warlocks ophidians which each class has access the the spirit for the handling (arguably the best half) and you would need to pick between that or astrocyte for the blink to be at its best, I’m sorry if this comes out as mean but ignore how good titan is and to back it up a bit more prismatic titan for the past 6ish trials week ends has been used more than prismatic warlock with the gap growing and now is being used more than solar warlock (rn at least in trials), the only argument I see is good solar warlocks on pc with high frame rates to take full advantage of warlock movement since they are technically the strongest class if your near the peak of its skill ceiling, even consecration beats lightning surge since you are further away and it doesn’t need multiple people to one hit
meta will most likely still be prisma hunter. the new roaming super is strong, and with OBJ in trials and a low ish tier cooldown its HIGHLY competitive. Hunters will just shift to duskfield, smoke wombo combo will still be a free kill. Add a renewal/coyote class item with winters shroud and hunters have an entire kit dedicated to area denial and CC. Gamblers dodge contributes to smoke spam as well.
@@sinematicks3108 I said a similar thing but mostly talked about dusk field and renewals, I do think titans stand more of a chance now and these movement killer meta builds will kill of lightning surge and solar warlock a bit more now sadly
Arc warlock might be the worst pvp class for a warlock you get 3 arc slide melee on prism and can run double buddies and get amplified just as easy on prism honestly couldn’t find a justification using arc warlock when there’s solar void prism and strand with the invincible ability
You need to have at least one strand [grenade or melee or super or aspect] equipped for Facet of Solitude to make tangles. If you don't it will just Sever the enemies but not make tangles from killing the Severed enemy.
Yeah, which doesn't leave that many options when you think about it. Shackle grenade is pretty bad afaik, aspect gives up knockout or diamond lance. Melee is not great on mnk because it can't be used without turning the cam. So I end up using super.
The difference between this "Prism Titan meta" and the hunter meta, is that it's not just free. You can't just shiver strike your enemies with no consequences. They likely have a buddy or a shotgun. I agree this build is fun and plays into the titan fantasy, but I disagree on it being a meta. It has a lot of counters from every class.
Osmiomancy says hold my beer wtf 😂 4 different ways to freeze is broken! Yet people sleep cause it’s not a hunter doing the freezing which is bias af. You compare that to shatterdive and the fact that we can’t freeze it should tell you everything you need to know about balance in this game smfh
@@pharaohavalon8566 Balance of the game has always been catered more towards usage. If more people were to use Weavewalk to the same extent as Prism Hunter it would only last a few weeks before Bungie were to hit the hammer. It's how Chaos Reach was left untouched for a whole two years before getting hit with repeated nerfs. Frequency and usage is everything.
I don't think this is a no brainier like prismatic Hunter is. Especially with the amount of special ammo in the wild. I don't think most players put this kit on and are automatically better like with hunter. Yes with a level of skill this is almost broken. See level of skill
@@S-TierIguess Not what I am saying at all. Cammy is on skill Island. Hunter has an exotic helmet that gives healing. The Titan shield has a long animation in comparison. There are a lot of moving parts to this titan build. Satisfying is a matter of opinion and game play style. Prismatic Hunter is turn ya brain off win against most other builds in the game. Whenever the opposing players are relative skill bracket. Yes it could be out played . I am generalizing. Because that's what players tend to gravitate towards. What's the easiest most powerful thing.
triple lightning surge is strong and i see why people are saying it'll be next too, the problem with it in my experience is so much of the other top tier kits shut down slide movement (slow from shiver, dodges, smokes, dusks, disorient from grapple) or too easily & harshly punish that style of pressure (radar manip from clones/smokes/jesters, barricades/knockout, dawnblade float, even liar's is a niche counter). Window of opportunity for an effective slide melee is smaller than many of the other high uptime abilities at the moment, especially once the other team knows your gameplan. works best as a supplement to primary play imo, but once you start leaning on it your plays can become exploitable by better players
Cammy no one is complaining about this .this chain rewards Titian style play and that’s ideal.the hunter had free low cooldown outstanding abilities all game with broken super .I will admit that an elite titian will feel very oppressive but most are just dummies just tryna punch and smash just shoot the dumb titian and move on.still shotgun meta so close range will be inconsistent and messy anyway.hopefully bungie lets it stay strong.warlock main btw.
i mostly run rose/duality on prism titan with ophids/contact. i specifically like duality bc slugs are broken and can play a slug game but can use the hipfire to intentionally proc knockout for a lance, and like you said rose gives the speed boost and mobility, its perfect.
For me, I find thunderclap is much better. 99/100 trials games I get teammates who end up dealing 900 dmg total over a 6-9 round game. Thunderclap is a great answer to the Ooga booga (“I have 14 shotgun shots”) special ammo system and playstyle. I find people to be much more confident with 10 shots of shotty in a 5 round mag. In my case, thunderclap is great for 1v3 reversals as they all wanna rush the single guy at the same time and somehow don’t hear the thunderclap charging around the corner even though I killed them with it a round ago. I’ve had games where the monkey neuron activated opponents let me 1v3 with thunderclap 4 rounds in a longer game.
I have used this build to good effect and had it used against me to strong effect. I never felt the frustration with it that i felt with prism hunters especially since hunters were just get out of jail free card after get out of jail free card and annoying swarm grenades. At least the titan has to actually get close, be aggressive and fast acting to make it work because there are very few ways to keep yourself alive other than getting the kills. Let us titan players have SOMETHING
Yall are still the only class that can walk around with 40 extra HP, controlled demo nades are still really strong, barricades are still free cover that damage opponents down to 1 shot, arc titan is still very strong just in 3rdish place, shoulder charge still can track through space and time. Yeah prismatic hunters are BS, but so is prismatic titan and void to a lesser extent. Yeah titans need help in PvE, but they have dominated PvP for years and never got effectively nerfed, other things just got stronger like prismatic hunter, once hunter is nerfed it's gonna be titan titan titan again in PvP which was meta for most of the time since 3.0 subclasses and even a bit before
I really hope bungie finds a way to nerf prism shiver double melee but leaves it untouched for behemoth. for a lot of people (myself included) the primary draw for behemoth pre-TFS was cryo-sliding/skating and the double shiver melee, it would be great if this identity could stay
@@Winger2020 its definitely not un-counterable but it is definitely good and has a much higher skill ceiling than any other shoulder charge. I got very good with it when it was very very rare to see in the months/years leading up to TFS and it netted me tons of kills from quite high skill players. Its obviously very powerful and i think its powerful enough that in order to use it you should have to dedicate to behemoth
@@SikPuppy when 3 different Hunter subclasses each with several different meta builds each, this hyper specific MELEE build is NOT going anywhere when every last person in crucible is clutching their shotgun as tightly as they can. Prismatic Titan is 12% of Titans entire population, Hunter Prismatic is NEARLY HALF THE PLAYERBASE. Spamming a dozen abilities for free kills will always be better than actually having to plan your setup.
@@NuclearRizzicist That’s true now, but if Prism Hunter gets hit hard enough the Meta Herd WILL move to prismatic titan. It’s not bad now, but triple stack prismatic titans in PVP will be incredibly obnoxious to play against and is not competitive. Something will need to be done about the kit if more players start abusing it. I say all that as a Titan main that loves the kit.
No. Run a shotgun. Shit isn’t even that bad as someone who has ran prismatic titanium got caught lacking by them and fights them. It is extremely risky to pull that move off against good players. The stupid hunter shit had way too much uptime. Also talking as someone who mained Hunter for a while and tried prismatic out when trials was absurdly annoying for a while
@@jpmorgan6146 I’ve mained Titan for the last 3 years. It’s too easy to pull off, and all but guarantees a follow up kill for free from a lance. They just have to add a 0.2s delay before you can melee after a shiver strike so that your melee isn’t really hindered but they’re out of range for the follow up knockout punch
@@rhyshuber9981 fair enough. I respect your opinion as a true Titan main. You’ve experienced things I couldn’t have so if that’s your opinion who am I to disagree ? I’ll say most titans often enough aren’t skilled enough to pull this off successfully. At least not vs decent players. I’m only decent at the game and rarely get caught by this. However I could see it being annoying in a team of 3
@@rhyshuber9981 it is. I use it a lot it’s my favorite thing about the kit obviously why lol. The thing is shiver strike uptime compared to the uptime of prismatic hunters was abysmal. Maybe they’ll be called out about being op now that they’re nerfed a bit
The difference is that the melee ability has a cooldown. You max strength but it doesn’t have the same variety as a smoke grenade does like zone coverage, slow, radar ping, weaken. You just need a slight radar for gamblers dodge for immediate ability which is tied to class ability which is tied directly to hunter. So strength isn’t even necessary for smokes or melee ability recharge.
I've been running a transcendence warlock with necrotic/synthos for a bit now and it's pretty damn effective. getting that extra transcendence energy with elemental pickups is huge and has let me get transcendence up on round 6 and even 5 in trials when the rounds have been slow. Also playing thorn with it makes a poison AoE if they die with it ticking which can hit other nearby players as well, PLUS you can choose between strand needle for darkness energy or slide melee for light energy when building it up. tag on Hellion (or whatever you want honestly) with the severing burst fragment and slide melee aspect and you're great at duelling, deal a ton of damage, build transcendence really fast and just have a lot of pressure.
Good stuff. But for Transcendence on Titan, a Dark primary weapon with Knock Out has been the absolute best for fast Transcendence. Something New Hand Cannon is best-in-slot for this, even in a Trials setting, and is even better in 6v6. Fragment slots are too tight to slot Facet of Hope, although it is good, but better stats hold way more value to me. Also, distribution on the class item helps also with super and ability regeneration.
The counterplay to Shiver Strike is connection. As a Titan main, I want to use Shiver Strike, but it whiffs a lot. Trust me, you and the Titan you're fighting are both surprised every time. In my opinion, Diamond Lance is more overpowered and more reliable against good players.
@@Winger2020literally this. Everyone already grips their shotguns like a teddy bear, why do they suddenly forget they have tools when Titans have literally anything good ever?
I've been seeing nothing but this type of build since posted, so thanks cammy 😂 honestly I think prism hunter will stay relevant just with more dedication to the setup. With frostees and hope using ascension, you can get your dodge down to around 8 seconds as it is with amplified, so clone will still be usable if there's a swap. Throw in a momentum Transfer and 100 discipline, its still annoying.
19:30 dont you need to hit w the howl crystals creation/explosion to get armor charges? i think it still works like that cus ive recently been running a flechette storm w acd0 and some blue mods(forgive my sins, Oh Mr. Cammy) and it instantly gives x6 so i can just survive to have sextuple 100 stats
He's trying to get armor charge from Elemental Charge on stasis Shards generated by Tectonic Harvest, but that aspect was nerfed in Final Shape to start a cooldown after creating too many Shards.
I would love to see hoarfrost make a glacier grenade wall when you have towering barricade equipped and function as it currently does when you have rally barricade equipped.
If they “fix” shiver strike in otherwords nerf it to ground, then next melee i would use is thunderclap, 2 quick 120 handcannon hipfire bodyshots plus quick thunderclap hit will kill any resil from like 15 meter range
i've been on prism titan w/ feedback since day 1 of final shape. excited to see you talk about it!! (I still need to get my ophidians/contact class item)
Still think peacekeepers nerf was unwarranted. It's not like the exotic gave you 100 aim assist and at the end of the day what made you win a fight was your gun skill.
Exactly! I say this every time someone said PKs were meta… they don’t give aim assist or damage buffs, so if you lose, that’s straight up on you. They literally just buff neutral game with bonus movement and handling…
Yeah. They nerfed titans because they made the immortal too strong. They nerfed everything about the gun and even peacekeeper before nerfing target lock.
I use this build with feedback and i promise you it aint meta, it'll work once on a good group. By the time i try it again ill get team fired or peppered by shotties. This is without mentioning the crazyness of teleporting melee warlocks and ability spam hunters.
When people start switching to Shiver Strike thinking it’s EZ meta, they’ll be surprised to find that 50% of the time your melee completely misses. The other 40% of the time it sends the enemy guardian flying 30 feet away from you so you can’t get the double melee off. 10% of the time yeah it badass for sure! I play M&KB is Shiver Strike super sticky on controller or what? If so, then nevermind lol.
Same experience but on roller. And in my experience, a lot of players are getting better at fighting against Shiver Strike. It's starting to feel like a high risk/high reward ability.
I'm sorry to say this but that's just a massive skill issue on your end. Shiver strike was still the best melee in the game even before Bungie buffed the tracking in final shape and it's not hard at all to get the double melee combo. However I do feel like SS is better overall on MnK because it's much easier to maneuver around and break ankles with snappy mouse movements.
Well the majority of people I communicate with about it have the same experience. So if it’s a “skill issue” for the majority of players then that in fact makes it not a skill issue at all. If top 1% of players can slay out with the kit while average players struggle with it, that sounds like a balanced high skill ceiling build that doesn’t need nerfed. Isn’t that what top players are always saying that want all the time? This community flip flops all over the place.
It is incredibly annoying but the fragment that procs sever on headshots counts headshots differently on prismatic vs stasis. On prisamtic it will sever after 2 shots with any handcannon that has base mag size 9 bullets or below. Stasis takes more bullets so you cant proc it with stuff like thorn, etc.
I think bungee needs to add Hey fragment in prismatic. That allows for freeze and suspend. Resistance so other classrd jave a counter to one of the most oppressive abilities.
been running this build with acd0 feedback fence loaded up with all the font mods and all the melee feeds super mods since season launch. i can shiver strike in as a suicide bomber turn the tide in 6s for my team. way to put it on blast lol!
Titan is quite literally the last class that needs or deserves any further nerfs in this game PvE and especially PvP. Hunters and warlocks have multiple competitive builds that Titan just doesn’t have this class simply has knockout and shiver strike and peregrine greaves all derived on melee builds that are linear and predictable . Both get countered by weavewalk, smoke scatter spam threading spam. Warlock freezing rifts, bakers slow dodge tangle suspends, the list goes on. All Titan ever got since the anteus and citans nerf years ago was a bunch of gimmicks that are a dice roll in this landing team shot meta. Don’t be the saltagrepo of PvP.
Ngl I use n abuse the shiver strike but loweky hate the diamond lance meta I'm fine with that getting nerfed because that I truly feel makes the build extremely hard to counter can easily avoid a shiver strike but get frozen in place and literally unable to do anything about it isn't fair. With being slowed have a fighting chance. Yes I can understand the double melee is also a problem but it's been kinda inconsistent lately. Well for me at least on console. But I do get where this video is coming from because of the hunter nerfs but literally hunters had it way way easier than any other prismatic character with the easier ability spam .
And at least titans have to actually engage in combat, hunters just have 3 area denial abilities on one subclass with the best super. And yeah it’s inconstant asl on console
I guess great minds think alike bc this is the build that I made for my Titan almost to a T. I didn’t have an exotic class item for my Titan yet so I picked dunes for the mobility benefits
This is definitely clickbait. It's just the same stuff we've been seeing meta titans do with prismatic for a while, the entire video kinda goes in circles a lot with extremely basic and known information with the exception of maybe a few things but even then nothing noteworthy that titans didn't already know. There's no secrets in this video it's just the same ole titan information for prismatic Titan that's been floating around since the prismatic subclasses release. Maybe it's time to take a break from destiny if you're making videos on builds just to get them nerfed or with the goal of them being nerfed it just seems unhealthy for your mental state if that's your focus rather than trying to have fun and enjoy yourself. Idk maybe I'm speaking out of line but the entire video felt sloppy rushed and passive aggressive from the start to finish. I've seen your gameplay your a decent player and a smart dude don't let this game get to you man I've had plenty of times I've tooken breaks from it and I'm on one of those breaks now because of how toxic and rage inducing the pvp can get from all sides especially with the community being so divided and at each others throats. Don't take it as disrespect I'm just being honest sorry if i came off rude or anything bro.
Titan is just good bro ur a bad player who wants to be good all prismatic classes need to be nerfed not just hunter. And if you don't like the content don't watch.
@@sleepinghallow5380 honestly i don't care what gets nerfed in the meta because i run off meta builds 99% of the time and use stuff people consider trash so honestly they can nerf the build he's advertising and whatever else they want. I use way to many builds for it to matter, i don't even play the game much anymore anyways so it doesn't bother me either way. Also when did i say i don't like the content? I just simply gave a viewers criticism is all nothing wrong with that as long as I'm not being toxic which i don't think i was.
So how do you get the double shiv strike melee? I have been trying to figure out how to get the instant 2nd melee and can’t get it to work. Are you saying you need to do the chip damage so knockout lets you lunge at them for the 2nd hit?
hahaha no all u need to do is literally time ur sec melee and hope that it lunges. U dont need anything really but i know knockout would probably help with it
I believe we're at the point where people who love the smoke grenades, radar manipulation, invis, spot dodging and overall play style of Hunter NEED Titan to be overpowered so that they dont feel guilty about having the better kit
blehbleh prism powercreep grr anyways idk if you mention this i didnt watch all, but acdc is smth a friend swears on with this combo nvmm you mentioned it later on
i doubt thisll get nerfed considering how Prism titan makes up 12 % of the player base. until the prism hunter isnt half of the player base i dont expect any nerfs to this
i dont think shiver double melee needs to be nerfed. there are counters, one could argue ample counters, and its just not free like hunter spam has been. behemoth titan has like a 0.05 pick rate in trials. that is abysmal, nerfing ANY part of the kit is a very bad idea. Just my opinion. I do appreciate the amount of information you collect and present though, great video. always eagerly awaiting the next!
I main titan but even after the nerf, people will probably go to warlock or even stick with hunter, because titan still makes you work and most people in the game dont really wanna play close, they wanna sit back and protect that 1.5 kd lol
The lance isn't that strong. Maybe in trials, or comp, but most of the time its a distraction that will get you killed, or stops a team push because your waiting for the cool down. Titans can only have one good freeze, warlocks have three, and chain freeze.
This is not true unless the titan’s second melee in the combo whiffs. Getting hit with a shiver strike causes you to incur a 0.5 second period in which you cannot lunge for a melee. That is long enough for the titan to get the second melee in and kill you. Since the liar’s buff lasts a few seconds, if the titan misses his second melee then you can melee him. Not as strong as bringing a shotgun
Also if he sends you into a wall point blank, then you may not need to lunge to hit the titan with your liar’s melee, so that can also work. But you have to be basically touching the wall for this to work
Yeah man melee twice has always been a staple of skill LOL this shit is unrealistically ASS to prevent from happening to you bc of beloved Titan jittery melee lunge
Almost makes me want to use my titan but its armor is ass Edit: went and unlocked prismatic stuff on my titan, checked vault armor, got some ok whatever stuff, going to try it in pvp
Hunters will still be great in pvp, i dont understand how people dont realize how good titan class is in pvp and also as a new warlock main, i still think warlocks are the best class if you know how to use them.
I’m convinced every time this guy drops a titan video it always leads to a nerf so can’t wait for the shiver strike to be made useless😂 RIP stasis titan
@@MountainSmell I promise u the dev team only act on shit after it goes public. Anteaus wards is a prime example of being untouched for 3 years but after this guy made a video on it everyone started using them.
Yeah being on the reciving end of the “1=2=3” is sooo crazy cuz I SWEAR the freeze lasts longer than the sopposed 1.33 seconds. It feels like 2-2.5 somtimes I SWEAR there have been sooOo many times where I SHOULD have been able to rebuttle but couldnt. Yeah once prism hinter is nuked then beware the great snowball machine aka prism titan 😂😂
Saying that titans shouldn’t be allowed to snow ball for actually having to know how to generate a diamond lance correctly is crazy to me. There’s less than 1K Behemoth mains who play currently and it’s the one of the keys parts of it. I think I’d like to see other Hunters and Warlocks pick them up and use them correctly. It’s not exclusive to us to use. There is a skill in actually using them. It’s also one of the funniest ways to kill another player. Just my opinion as a Behemoth Main.
Cammy, Ive been watching you for years and i love your build ideas and deep dives. However, this build is just not as good as you're claiming. You being good at the game doesn't mean the build is that good, usage rates alone reflect this. Shadebinder is top tier, but nearly nobody uses it, its rate is barely 5%. Running a melee build in a sandbox where everyones STILL clutching their shotguns tight is just throwing, and the vast majority will still be rush-counter Hunters. Strand Hunter, Void Hunter and Prismatic Hunter are all vastly more adaptable and far more used. This build is at its best with several chaotic targets to pick off, it wont be nearly as good for 3s where people play way more carefully and optimally. So unless Titan breaks trials again, and it wont with this, its not becoming meta.
Cammy the #1 Titan hater (This is a joke) In all seriousness though if a Bungie dev is going through these comments, please leave shiver strike and diamond lance untouched on behemoth - it should not suffer nerfs because prism is making better use of its abilities. Shiver strike was still the best melee in the game before bungie buffed the tracking in Final Shape and actually has a skill gap to mastering it other than just doing the double melee tech. At the end of the day tho Id like to go back to pre-fs and run behemoth comfortably and break ankles, freeze fools and wipe teams with all of the movement options it has
Very valid comments saying shiver strike gamble is harder than prism hunter’s ability spam.
I run into prism Titan a lot in skill island and it wins games. Perhaps shiver strike isn’t as accessible as my games showcase it.
Regardless what is your next meta predictions?
Prismatic hunters with dusk field + spirit of renewal with whatever else just because it blocks a large area and slows which is pretty good atm but can be used defensively and as a forced coliseum where you immediately have a good advantage, slow can be used to shut down a lot of movement like blink and abilities like lightning surge so you basically counter prismatic warlock, this is my main fear since I main warlock (blink)
Hunters have a plethora options, warlocks will dawn with ophidian and prism blink.titans will continue to be mid because there ability’s are not free like other classes they have to close the distance and everyone has special ammo so it’s just not as threatening especially in a team fight.
@@popeshopes9973 diamond lance is very free along with abayant leap drengers lash and thruster, knockout has so many buffs without needing to change your play style, it just helps out in the background giving you free punch kills from further away randomly while your saying warlocks ophidians which each class has access the the spirit for the handling (arguably the best half) and you would need to pick between that or astrocyte for the blink to be at its best, I’m sorry if this comes out as mean but ignore how good titan is and to back it up a bit more prismatic titan for the past 6ish trials week ends has been used more than prismatic warlock with the gap growing and now is being used more than solar warlock (rn at least in trials), the only argument I see is good solar warlocks on pc with high frame rates to take full advantage of warlock movement since they are technically the strongest class if your near the peak of its skill ceiling, even consecration beats lightning surge since you are further away and it doesn’t need multiple people to one hit
meta will most likely still be prisma hunter. the new roaming super is strong, and with OBJ in trials and a low ish tier cooldown its HIGHLY competitive. Hunters will just shift to duskfield, smoke wombo combo will still be a free kill. Add a renewal/coyote class item with winters shroud and hunters have an entire kit dedicated to area denial and CC. Gamblers dodge contributes to smoke spam as well.
@@sinematicks3108 I said a similar thing but mostly talked about dusk field and renewals, I do think titans stand more of a chance now and these movement killer meta builds will kill of lightning surge and solar warlock a bit more now sadly
I'm pretty sure you're wrong, arc warlock is the new meta and all of you prism hunters should just hop over to arc warlock now to start learning
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Yeah cuz theres nothing more fun/competitive than fighting against teleporting abilities in an fps
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Arc warlock might be the worst pvp class for a warlock you get 3 arc slide melee on prism and can run double buddies and get amplified just as easy on prism honestly couldn’t find a justification using arc warlock when there’s solar void prism and strand with the invincible ability
In your dreams missy
You need to have at least one strand [grenade or melee or super or aspect] equipped for Facet of Solitude to make tangles. If you don't it will just Sever the enemies but not make tangles from killing the Severed enemy.
You absolute legend. I thought it was just aspect
Yeah, which doesn't leave that many options when you think about it. Shackle grenade is pretty bad afaik, aspect gives up knockout or diamond lance. Melee is not great on mnk because it can't be used without turning the cam. So I end up using super.
Same @@WinterSon91
The difference between this "Prism Titan meta" and the hunter meta, is that it's not just free. You can't just shiver strike your enemies with no consequences. They likely have a buddy or a shotgun. I agree this build is fun and plays into the titan fantasy, but I disagree on it being a meta. It has a lot of counters from every class.
Osmiomancy says hold my beer wtf 😂 4 different ways to freeze is broken! Yet people sleep cause it’s not a hunter doing the freezing which is bias af. You compare that to shatterdive and the fact that we can’t freeze it should tell you everything you need to know about balance in this game smfh
@@pharaohavalon8566 Balance of the game has always been catered more towards usage. If more people were to use Weavewalk to the same extent as Prism Hunter it would only last a few weeks before Bungie were to hit the hammer. It's how Chaos Reach was left untouched for a whole two years before getting hit with repeated nerfs. Frequency and usage is everything.
25:13 the DIMventory has gotten so powerful that this man is swapping weapons irl
My opinion has arrived
Titan main here. Cammy revealing the forbidden Titan knowledge 😮
We're spamming our melee button, he's playing 4-D chess.
Idk i didn't learn anything new in the video I'm not sure where the "titan secrets" are in it.
@wraith1068 exactly 🖍️
@@InvictusLex just the double shiver strike combo and shatterdive tech were the only “secrets” 🖍️
It used to. @wraith1068
A melee charge that takes longer than all the hunter abilities? I'll take that over fighting Naruto every round.
Fighting Naruto lmfao 😭😭😭😭
Titan main?
I don't think this is a no brainier like prismatic Hunter is. Especially with the amount of special ammo in the wild. I don't think most players put this kit on and are automatically better like with hunter. Yes with a level of skill this is almost broken. See level of skill
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Couldn’t have said it better! Slaying with a titan just feels way more rewarding than slaying with a hunter.
@@S-TierIguess Not what I am saying at all. Cammy is on skill Island. Hunter has an exotic helmet that gives healing. The Titan shield has a long animation in comparison. There are a lot of moving parts to this titan build. Satisfying is a matter of opinion and game play style. Prismatic Hunter is turn ya brain off win against most other builds in the game. Whenever the opposing players are relative skill bracket. Yes it could be out played . I am generalizing. Because that's what players tend to gravitate towards. What's the easiest most powerful thing.
So, if this is a medium dive, would a deep dive be an hour plus?
If so, bring it on!
triple lightning surge is strong and i see why people are saying it'll be next too, the problem with it in my experience is so much of the other top tier kits shut down slide movement (slow from shiver, dodges, smokes, dusks, disorient from grapple) or too easily & harshly punish that style of pressure (radar manip from clones/smokes/jesters, barricades/knockout, dawnblade float, even liar's is a niche counter). Window of opportunity for an effective slide melee is smaller than many of the other high uptime abilities at the moment, especially once the other team knows your gameplan. works best as a supplement to primary play imo, but once you start leaning on it your plays can become exploitable by better players
All that crayon sniffing opened his titans third eye and made him reach Akasha
Cammy no one is complaining about this .this chain rewards Titian style play and that’s ideal.the hunter had free low cooldown outstanding abilities all game with broken super .I will admit that an elite titian will feel very oppressive but most are just dummies just tryna punch and smash just shoot the dumb titian and move on.still
shotgun meta so close range will be inconsistent and messy anyway.hopefully bungie lets it stay strong.warlock main btw.
Just shoot the rubber banding Titan as we have been doing for years.
Oh wait we haven't we either shotgun through the lag or get meleed.
I'm asking for a nerf anyways, I want titans to quit the game
@@jmfe10 someone's mad they're only good with prismatic Hunter training wheels
Didn’t think this vid was too long. As a warlock main I was looking to try Titan and this video format while doing laundry is perfect for me to learn
i mostly run rose/duality on prism titan with ophids/contact. i specifically like duality bc slugs are broken and can play a slug game but can use the hipfire to intentionally proc knockout for a lance, and like you said rose gives the speed boost and mobility, its perfect.
For me, I find thunderclap is much better. 99/100 trials games I get teammates who end up dealing 900 dmg total over a 6-9 round game.
Thunderclap is a great answer to the Ooga booga (“I have 14 shotgun shots”) special ammo system and playstyle. I find people to be much more confident with 10 shots of shotty in a 5 round mag.
In my case, thunderclap is great for 1v3 reversals as they all wanna rush the single guy at the same time and somehow don’t hear the thunderclap charging around the corner even though I killed them with it a round ago.
I’ve had games where the monkey neuron activated opponents let me 1v3 with thunderclap 4 rounds in a longer game.
I have used this build to good effect and had it used against me to strong effect. I never felt the frustration with it that i felt with prism hunters especially since hunters were just get out of jail free card after get out of jail free card and annoying swarm grenades. At least the titan has to actually get close, be aggressive and fast acting to make it work because there are very few ways to keep yourself alive other than getting the kills. Let us titan players have SOMETHING
Yall are still the only class that can walk around with 40 extra HP, controlled demo nades are still really strong, barricades are still free cover that damage opponents down to 1 shot, arc titan is still very strong just in 3rdish place, shoulder charge still can track through space and time. Yeah prismatic hunters are BS, but so is prismatic titan and void to a lesser extent.
Yeah titans need help in PvE, but they have dominated PvP for years and never got effectively nerfed, other things just got stronger like prismatic hunter, once hunter is nerfed it's gonna be titan titan titan again in PvP which was meta for most of the time since 3.0 subclasses and even a bit before
I really hope bungie finds a way to nerf prism shiver double melee but leaves it untouched for behemoth. for a lot of people (myself included) the primary draw for behemoth pre-TFS was cryo-sliding/skating and the double shiver melee, it would be great if this identity could stay
Shiver isn't as broken as you think. Just run a shotgun to counter.
@@Winger2020 its definitely not un-counterable but it is definitely good and has a much higher skill ceiling than any other shoulder charge. I got very good with it when it was very very rare to see in the months/years leading up to TFS and it netted me tons of kills from quite high skill players. Its obviously very powerful and i think its powerful enough that in order to use it you should have to dedicate to behemoth
@@SikPuppy when 3 different Hunter subclasses each with several different meta builds each, this hyper specific MELEE build is NOT going anywhere when every last person in crucible is clutching their shotgun as tightly as they can. Prismatic Titan is 12% of Titans entire population, Hunter Prismatic is NEARLY HALF THE PLAYERBASE. Spamming a dozen abilities for free kills will always be better than actually having to plan your setup.
@@SikPuppy I second this
@@NuclearRizzicist That’s true now, but if Prism Hunter gets hit hard enough the Meta Herd WILL move to prismatic titan. It’s not bad now, but triple stack prismatic titans in PVP will be incredibly obnoxious to play against and is not competitive. Something will need to be done about the kit if more players start abusing it.
I say all that as a Titan main that loves the kit.
The only thing that needs to get nerfed is the double melee shiver strike bug. Then it’s fine
No. Run a shotgun. Shit isn’t even that bad as someone who has ran prismatic titanium got caught lacking by them and fights them. It is extremely risky to pull that move off against good players. The stupid hunter shit had way too much uptime. Also talking as someone who mained Hunter for a while and tried prismatic out when trials was absurdly annoying for a while
@@jpmorgan6146 I’ve mained Titan for the last 3 years. It’s too easy to pull off, and all but guarantees a follow up kill for free from a lance. They just have to add a 0.2s delay before you can melee after a shiver strike so that your melee isn’t really hindered but they’re out of range for the follow up knockout punch
@@rhyshuber9981 fair enough. I respect your opinion as a true Titan main. You’ve experienced things I couldn’t have so if that’s your opinion who am I to disagree ? I’ll say most titans often enough aren’t skilled enough to pull this off successfully. At least not vs decent players. I’m only decent at the game and rarely get caught by this. However I could see it being annoying in a team of 3
@@jpmorgan6146 not many people know about it but it’s stupid easy to learn
@@rhyshuber9981 it is. I use it a lot it’s my favorite thing about the kit obviously why lol. The thing is shiver strike uptime compared to the uptime of prismatic hunters was abysmal. Maybe they’ll be called out about being op now that they’re nerfed a bit
The difference is that the melee ability has a cooldown. You max strength but it doesn’t have the same variety as a smoke grenade does like zone coverage, slow, radar ping, weaken.
You just need a slight radar for gamblers dodge for immediate ability which is tied to class ability which is tied directly to hunter. So strength isn’t even necessary for smokes or melee ability recharge.
I know this is annoying to play against.
But i'm gonna laugh when Prismatic Titan catches nerfs before any MEANINGFUL buffs
I've been running a transcendence warlock with necrotic/synthos for a bit now and it's pretty damn effective. getting that extra transcendence energy with elemental pickups is huge and has let me get transcendence up on round 6 and even 5 in trials when the rounds have been slow. Also playing thorn with it makes a poison AoE if they die with it ticking which can hit other nearby players as well, PLUS you can choose between strand needle for darkness energy or slide melee for light energy when building it up. tag on Hellion (or whatever you want honestly) with the severing burst fragment and slide melee aspect and you're great at duelling, deal a ton of damage, build transcendence really fast and just have a lot of pressure.
id love A dim link if you have, this sounds like the exact build ive been looking for
Thanks for highlighting the one good build we have to get nerfed. Thanks man
So annoying
Good stuff. But for Transcendence on Titan, a Dark primary weapon with Knock Out has been the absolute best for fast Transcendence. Something New Hand Cannon is best-in-slot for this, even in a Trials setting, and is even better in 6v6.
Fragment slots are too tight to slot Facet of Hope, although it is good, but better stats hold way more value to me.
Also, distribution on the class item helps also with super and ability regeneration.
It was only a matter of time before Cammy discovered this
Shiver strike is the only thing that is broken here.There is no counterplay to glitched double melee
Shotgun
The counterplay to Shiver Strike is connection. As a Titan main, I want to use Shiver Strike, but it whiffs a lot. Trust me, you and the Titan you're fighting are both surprised every time.
In my opinion, Diamond Lance is more overpowered and more reliable against good players.
@@Winger2020literally this. Everyone already grips their shotguns like a teddy bear, why do they suddenly forget they have tools when Titans have literally anything good ever?
shotgun
The new void super is also beyond busted.
I've been seeing nothing but this type of build since posted, so thanks cammy 😂 honestly I think prism hunter will stay relevant just with more dedication to the setup. With frostees and hope using ascension, you can get your dodge down to around 8 seconds as it is with amplified, so clone will still be usable if there's a swap.
Throw in a momentum Transfer and 100 discipline, its still annoying.
21:39 cammy loves the diamond lance
19:30 dont you need to hit w the howl crystals creation/explosion to get armor charges? i think it still works like that cus ive recently been running a flechette storm w acd0 and some blue mods(forgive my sins, Oh Mr. Cammy) and it instantly gives x6 so i can just survive to have sextuple 100 stats
He's trying to get armor charge from Elemental Charge on stasis Shards generated by Tectonic Harvest, but that aspect was nerfed in Final Shape to start a cooldown after creating too many Shards.
I would love to see hoarfrost make a glacier grenade wall when you have towering barricade equipped and function as it currently does when you have rally barricade equipped.
If they “fix” shiver strike in otherwords nerf it to ground, then next melee i would use is thunderclap, 2 quick 120 handcannon hipfire bodyshots plus quick thunderclap hit will kill any resil from like 15 meter range
thanks now I know what to spam under every single D2Team tweet asking for a nerf.
Please do an overview of that glaive build you briefly showed. Been wanting a decent glaive build for so long
Give a look to the cardinal dive boys, they have a ton of builds in their discord and channels. Usually pretty good fun
The exotic class item it drops also with ophidian and syntho it can one melee i believe with knockout?
i've been on prism titan w/ feedback since day 1 of final shape. excited to see you talk about it!! (I still need to get my ophidians/contact class item)
(until prism titan came out i was on strand titan w/ feedback + grapple, it's still my fave fallback)
Still think peacekeepers nerf was unwarranted. It's not like the exotic gave you 100 aim assist and at the end of the day what made you win a fight was your gun skill.
why did they nerf them again? or was is just the last nerf that half all of its affects but still kept the speed and slide
Exactly! I say this every time someone said PKs were meta… they don’t give aim assist or damage buffs, so if you lose, that’s straight up on you. They literally just buff neutral game with bonus movement and handling…
Yeah. They nerfed titans because they made the immortal too strong. They nerfed everything about the gun and even peacekeeper before nerfing target lock.
That time is over buddy.
As a Titan, Knockout should not give Diamond Lances in Crucible, or it should take more than one melee kill to grant one.
I use this build with feedback and i promise you it aint meta, it'll work once on a good group. By the time i try it again ill get team fired or peppered by shotties. This is without mentioning the crazyness of teleporting melee warlocks and ability spam hunters.
Damn, that darkness pun was excellent
0:57 had me dying lmao😂
"Big Juicey Diamond Lance" Cammycakes
I think PTSD is clouding your judgement
Could be wrong, but last I recall, Trench Barrel doesn't work in PvP.
When people start switching to Shiver Strike thinking it’s EZ meta, they’ll be surprised to find that 50% of the time your melee completely misses. The other 40% of the time it sends the enemy guardian flying 30 feet away from you so you can’t get the double melee off. 10% of the time yeah it badass for sure! I play M&KB is Shiver Strike super sticky on controller or what? If so, then nevermind lol.
Nah it’s better on m&k definitely
Same experience but on roller. And in my experience, a lot of players are getting better at fighting against Shiver Strike. It's starting to feel like a high risk/high reward ability.
I'm sorry to say this but that's just a massive skill issue on your end. Shiver strike was still the best melee in the game even before Bungie buffed the tracking in final shape and it's not hard at all to get the double melee combo. However I do feel like SS is better overall on MnK because it's much easier to maneuver around and break ankles with snappy mouse movements.
Well the majority of people I communicate with about it have the same experience. So if it’s a “skill issue” for the majority of players then that in fact makes it not a skill issue at all. If top 1% of players can slay out with the kit while average players struggle with it, that sounds like a balanced high skill ceiling build that doesn’t need nerfed. Isn’t that what top players are always saying that want all the time? This community flip flops all over the place.
Cammy revealing our secrets 😮
It is incredibly annoying but the fragment that procs sever on headshots counts headshots differently on prismatic vs stasis. On prisamtic it will sever after 2 shots with any handcannon that has base mag size 9 bullets or below. Stasis takes more bullets so you cant proc it with stuff like thorn, etc.
I think bungee needs to add Hey fragment in prismatic. That allows for freeze and suspend. Resistance so other classrd jave a counter to one of the most oppressive abilities.
been running this build with acd0 feedback fence loaded up with all the font mods and all the melee feeds super mods since season launch. i can shiver strike in as a suicide bomber turn the tide in 6s for my team. way to put it on blast lol!
You son of a gun, how dare you put us titans in the next choppin block? how dare you?! we only have consecration for pve and still want us nerfed?!
Titan is quite literally the last class that needs or deserves any further nerfs in this game PvE and especially PvP. Hunters and warlocks have multiple competitive builds that Titan just doesn’t have this class simply has knockout and shiver strike and peregrine greaves all derived on melee builds that are linear and predictable . Both get countered by weavewalk, smoke scatter spam threading spam. Warlock freezing rifts, bakers slow dodge tangle suspends, the list goes on.
All Titan ever got since the anteus and citans nerf years ago was a bunch of gimmicks that are a dice roll in this landing team shot meta.
Don’t be the saltagrepo of PvP.
Ngl I use n abuse the shiver strike but loweky hate the diamond lance meta I'm fine with that getting nerfed because that I truly feel makes the build extremely hard to counter can easily avoid a shiver strike but get frozen in place and literally unable to do anything about it isn't fair. With being slowed have a fighting chance. Yes I can understand the double melee is also a problem but it's been kinda inconsistent lately. Well for me at least on console. But I do get where this video is coming from because of the hunter nerfs but literally hunters had it way way easier than any other prismatic character with the easier ability spam .
And at least titans have to actually engage in combat, hunters just have 3 area denial abilities on one subclass with the best super. And yeah it’s inconstant asl on console
I guess great minds think alike bc this is the build that I made for my Titan almost to a T. I didn’t have an exotic class item for my Titan yet so I picked dunes for the mobility benefits
It’s the only “build” worth using
This is definitely clickbait.
It's just the same stuff we've been seeing meta titans do with prismatic for a while, the entire video kinda goes in circles a lot with extremely basic and known information with the exception of maybe a few things but even then nothing noteworthy that titans didn't already know.
There's no secrets in this video it's just the same ole titan information for prismatic Titan that's been floating around since the prismatic subclasses release.
Maybe it's time to take a break from destiny if you're making videos on builds just to get them nerfed or with the goal of them being nerfed it just seems unhealthy for your mental state if that's your focus rather than trying to have fun and enjoy yourself.
Idk maybe I'm speaking out of line but the entire video felt sloppy rushed and passive aggressive from the start to finish.
I've seen your gameplay your a decent player and a smart dude don't let this game get to you man I've had plenty of times I've tooken breaks from it and I'm on one of those breaks now because of how toxic and rage inducing the pvp can get from all sides especially with the community being so divided and at each others throats.
Don't take it as disrespect I'm just being honest sorry if i came off rude or anything bro.
Titan is just good bro ur a bad player who wants to be good all prismatic classes need to be nerfed not just hunter. And if you don't like the content don't watch.
@@sleepinghallow5380 lol
@@sleepinghallow5380 honestly i don't care what gets nerfed in the meta because i run off meta builds 99% of the time and use stuff people consider trash so honestly they can nerf the build he's advertising and whatever else they want.
I use way to many builds for it to matter, i don't even play the game much anymore anyways so it doesn't bother me either way.
Also when did i say i don't like the content?
I just simply gave a viewers criticism is all nothing wrong with that as long as I'm not being toxic which i don't think i was.
11:08 Both sacrifice and devotion lead to death
hot take: long cammy videos are usually better
Gotta love dive titan
This man is exposing all the diamond lance techs man 😭😭😭
Then I'm over here maining spirit of abeyant and spirit of horn for those nasty barricade kills
So how do you get the double shiv strike melee? I have been trying to figure out how to get the instant 2nd melee and can’t get it to work. Are you saying you need to do the chip damage so knockout lets you lunge at them for the 2nd hit?
hahaha no all u need to do is literally time ur sec melee and hope that it lunges. U dont need anything really but i know knockout would probably help with it
I believe we're at the point where people who love the smoke grenades, radar manipulation, invis, spot dodging and overall play style of Hunter NEED Titan to be overpowered so that they dont feel guilty about having the better kit
blehbleh prism powercreep grr
anyways idk if you mention this i didnt watch all, but acdc is smth a friend swears on with this combo
nvmm you mentioned it later on
i doubt thisll get nerfed considering how Prism titan makes up 12 % of the player base. until the prism hunter isnt half of the player base i dont expect any nerfs to this
i dont think shiver double melee needs to be nerfed. there are counters, one could argue ample counters, and its just not free like hunter spam has been. behemoth titan has like a 0.05 pick rate in trials. that is abysmal, nerfing ANY part of the kit is a very bad idea. Just my opinion.
I do appreciate the amount of information you collect and present though, great video. always eagerly awaiting the next!
Is peregrine with the shoulder charge not meta??
I main titan but even after the nerf, people will probably go to warlock or even stick with hunter, because titan still makes you work and most people in the game dont really wanna play close, they wanna sit back and protect that 1.5 kd lol
The lance isn't that strong. Maybe in trials, or comp, but most of the time its a distraction that will get you killed, or stops a team push because your waiting for the cool down. Titans can only have one good freeze, warlocks have three, and chain freeze.
Hunters running liars will counter this
This is not true unless the titan’s second melee in the combo whiffs. Getting hit with a shiver strike causes you to incur a 0.5 second period in which you cannot lunge for a melee. That is long enough for the titan to get the second melee in and kill you. Since the liar’s buff lasts a few seconds, if the titan misses his second melee then you can melee him. Not as strong as bringing a shotgun
Also if he sends you into a wall point blank, then you may not need to lunge to hit the titan with your liar’s melee, so that can also work. But you have to be basically touching the wall for this to work
I feel bad for Camellia here.
how does he punch right after using the ability it never works for me
This doesn't seem like its going to be as frustrating as prism hunter at least this takes some skill to snowball
Bungie's horrible networking makes this playstyle absolutely infuriating.
Yeah man melee twice has always been a staple of skill LOL this shit is unrealistically ASS to prevent from happening to you bc of beloved Titan jittery melee lunge
Yea okay bro you don’t play comp it seems.
@21:40 most important bit of the vid
this isnt half as oppressive as a stasis warlock or a shadebinder tbh
As someone who's been using this I don't think diamond Lance should chain in pvp
Almost makes me want to use my titan but its armor is ass
Edit: went and unlocked prismatic stuff on my titan, checked vault armor, got some ok whatever stuff, going to try it in pvp
speed run this meta had me rolling
When is the hunter prism nerf coming
21:37 "big juicy diamond lance" . I prefer "tender juicy diamond lance"
I'm surprised you didn't mention the unbreakable and spirit of the bear for degenerate playstyle. Or Abayent leap combos.
Now that thermite grenade isn’t bugged making unbreakable do max damage it’s just not good
It costs your grenade and we were in a hunter meta so you rarely can abuse barricades for optimal super gains.
Titan is so bad rn. And you over here trying to get them nerfed even more that’s crazy to me.
Cammy, is there any good Prism Warlock setup for PvP that can acheive this lvl of cheese? I feel like Prism Warlock has nothing on PvP
😂😂😂😂😂 bruh osmiomancy gloves with cold snap and electro slide is just as “ OP “ as this
Cold snaps and lightning slide sir. Karnstein gauntlets or necrotic and synthocepts class item
Please no more titan nerfs 😭
Hunters will still be great in pvp, i dont understand how people dont realize how good titan class is in pvp and also as a new warlock main, i still think warlocks are the best class if you know how to use them.
I’m convinced every time this guy drops a titan video it always leads to a nerf so can’t wait for the shiver strike to be made useless😂 RIP stasis titan
RIP Stasis Titan the least used subclass in the game because its bad
@@NuclearRizzicist has a skill gap to it which Bungie doesn’t respect lol
It’s not cammy getting stuff nerfed. It’s just that he knows what he’s talking about, and the dev team is generally thinking the same thing he is
@@MountainSmell I promise u the dev team only act on shit after it goes public. Anteaus wards is a prime example of being untouched for 3 years but after this guy made a video on it everyone started using them.
behemoth still my fave😢
prismatic titan+pk+shayura meta incoming as soon as prismatic hunter is gutted and they nerf 340 pulses
oh god...
Yeah being on the reciving end of the “1=2=3” is sooo crazy cuz I SWEAR the freeze lasts longer than the sopposed 1.33 seconds. It feels like 2-2.5 somtimes I SWEAR there have been sooOo many times where I SHOULD have been able to rebuttle but couldnt. Yeah once prism hinter is nuked then beware the great snowball machine aka prism titan 😂😂
I AM watching ALL that
slam lance right after throwing from the air, titan basically gets shatterdive :)
Yay let’s work on getting titans nerfed when hunters exist
Saying that titans shouldn’t be allowed to snow ball for actually having to know how to generate a diamond lance correctly is crazy to me. There’s less than 1K Behemoth mains who play currently and it’s the one of the keys parts of it.
I think I’d like to see other Hunters and Warlocks pick them up and use them correctly. It’s not exclusive to us to use.
There is a skill in actually using them. It’s also one of the funniest ways to kill another player.
Just my opinion as a Behemoth Main.
Is it just me or did he not proc heavy handed once
Yeah that build was annoying to go against the only way to beat it is to be faster and anticipate it and a little luck.
The meta I already saw coming once they nerfed hunter and they were clearly too blind to see what else needed to be nerded
I hope shiver strike gets nerfed and not the whole kit getting gutted :C
Bro said “Eh, Prismatic Hunter was busted for months, why should Titan have some time in the sun for the first time in 3 years?”
The titan brain is truly incomprehensible. A beauty to behold.
Cammy, Ive been watching you for years and i love your build ideas and deep dives. However, this build is just not as good as you're claiming. You being good at the game doesn't mean the build is that good, usage rates alone reflect this. Shadebinder is top tier, but nearly nobody uses it, its rate is barely 5%. Running a melee build in a sandbox where everyones STILL clutching their shotguns tight is just throwing, and the vast majority will still be rush-counter Hunters. Strand Hunter, Void Hunter and Prismatic Hunter are all vastly more adaptable and far more used. This build is at its best with several chaotic targets to pick off, it wont be nearly as good for 3s where people play way more carefully and optimally. So unless Titan breaks trials again, and it wont with this, its not becoming meta.
Super obnoxious video
I’ve played a 3 stack of this build a couple weeks ago and there was nothing I could do absolutely nothing 😂
@@AubrieWeaverr Have you tried decoys, smokes and swarms?
Cammy the #1 Titan hater
(This is a joke)
In all seriousness though if a Bungie dev is going through these comments, please leave shiver strike and diamond lance untouched on behemoth - it should not suffer nerfs because prism is making better use of its abilities. Shiver strike was still the best melee in the game before bungie buffed the tracking in Final Shape and actually has a skill gap to mastering it other than just doing the double melee tech.
At the end of the day tho Id like to go back to pre-fs and run behemoth comfortably and break ankles, freeze fools and wipe teams with all of the movement options it has
I’m watching all this
Ok giving the best tip for average pvper on this build; Monte Carlo!
You are welcome.
Benny has made this build shits heat
It’s the only “build” worth using