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QD: Last Hoka shoe I bought was the Mach 5 at my local running shoe store in Dallas: Luke's Locker. I got the last men's 11 in stock. I got it based on your review and the feeling when trying them on in the store. Took it for a 23 mile long run the next day and felt great
BRILLIANT! Nice pick up Joshua
How are you feeling running with it after 4 months?
@@Qjemuse great! I actually need to get a new pair. I have about 300 miles on them and feel like a new pair would benefit me greatly. They are definitely solid shoes if you want a fast, snappy pair of Hokas
My last pair of Hokas arrived just 2 weeks ago, the Speedgoat 5. My first run in them was a 3.5 hour trail run and they were ! So comfortable and cushioned. I also have the Mach 4 and have used it as my only road shoe leading up to my first marathon in June, including the marathon. I can't say enough good things about it, even with over 1100 km on the clock. Looking forward to trying out the Mach 5!
Great battle, I picked up the mach 4 at the end of June for gbp83.99 on sale. I am still a beginner runner who's working on running a faster 5k and so far I have found them more comfortable than my old pegasus 38s and have had less pain running.
Really enjoyed the mach 4, but had to return it because just couldn't get the sizing right and it hurt my toes. SOOOO happy the 5 comes in wide sizes! looking forward to getting a pair when my current shoes need replacing :)
I like to do dynamic stretches and start my runs at a very easy pace then pick it up then the cooldown. Hope you feel better!
The last Hoka I bought for road running was the Rincon. I bought it because it was light and quite soft. But had to give up on it as it was too narrow and gave me blisters. But my favorite Hoka (and the only at the moment) are my Evo Speedgoats and they are awesome!
Just bought a pair of discounted Mach 4 for 98€ here in Italy. I will use them as long run and tempo run shoe during the training block to prepare my next Marathon in November (Florence, Tuscany). I seriously hope that I've made the right choice, because of the so many good reviews about them...My last Hoka shoes were the Torrent 2 for trails and the Rincon 3 😜
Wonderful Sacha! Great job chasing down a deal. Thanks for being here Sacha.
I wouldn’t be concerned re: scoring system. When people compare.. your reviewing AT the Time .. so your 100% right to say lockdown for example was revolutionary .. it was!! Keep up the quality work Seth!
Appreciate that. Have a great day aroudn the world
I am not bothered by the scoring either. I would probably rate the Mach 4 lower today than I would’ve 17 months ago when I first tested it out!
Just ordered the Mach 4, currently running in the Nike Pegasus 38's. Excited to try something different!
The last Hoka’s I purchased was two pairs of the Mach 4. They were on sale at Luke’s Locker (BOGO) right after the Mach 5 was released.
Last Hoka I bought was Clifton 7, on sale for $68 last month! Before that was Mach 4 and Speedgoat 4 combined $188 in January.
My wife has over 500 miles running and 500 walking in her Mach 4s. She just got a new pair on discount. I stopped running in mine after 400. The SG5s are clunky. I returned mine and bought another pair of Ultra Glides for half price! Still a better shoe IMHO. Get better soon Seth. I ran through my injuries using the Level 2 training method. Slowing way down allowed me to run/walk while healing. I've since come all the way back to training for my first 100 miler. Slow and steady as you age. Wisdom my friend. Onwards and upwards!
Winner winner chicken 🐔 dinner ! Love my M4 that’s at 400 miles and beginning to fade. Now deciding between discounted M4 or M5. The winner is M5 ..thanks for the great review. Last hoka purchased was the speedgoat 5. Going to pick up the M4 at discount and M5 ...
I was late to the Mach 4 just based on what I was running in but the also got the 5 and already have more miles in the 5 - I am trying to work them both in I wrote a long review on RSG which I will post here as well but for sure my fave Hoka shoe out there. I posed it with a bunch of pics as well but here you go:
First and most importantly I think this is a super update, I think they took what was an already pretty enjoyable platform and made it better.
Due to some injuries I was pretty far behind on my shoe rotation last year so I am only recently in the Mach4 so I am not so far removed from the Mach4 and still have a lot of miles I will enjoy it for a long while still.
The two shoes look pretty similar although the Mach 5 comes in at about .4oz lighter it actually has a bit more volume to it which is a welcome upgrade. Both shoes feature a 5mm drop and from what I can tell the same stack height (I have not found values for this yet but if it is different I will update the post.
I have ~50 miles in the Mach 4 and just over 10 in the Mach 5 and did a test run the other day on an indoor track easing through a Mile and then picking it up for a set of 7 strides at the end attempting as base as I could to keep the effort as similar as I could.
The most noticeable update to the Mach is the replacement of the ProFly midsole to a ProFly+ midsole - the lower layer of the dual density foam is the same rubberized EVA as in the Mach 4 so the durability length will be similar. The 5's ProFly+is amazing so much softer of a ride than the 4 - it is the kind of tweak to foam that I think a lot of folks have been looking for in Hoka. I believe this is another of the SuperCritical Foams like we see in many of the other brands and its combination with the stiffer rubberized EVA in this model really sings. It is also helped IMO by a slight change to the rocker over the 4 - it was immediately felt when I switched between the shoes and when I took them out and put them against each other it was apparent that the curve of the 5 is a bit more present than the 4 which I never really felt that overy Hoka early stage meta rocker feel that I have in other Hokas I have run in, and I liked it.
The Upper is going to be a joy in the summer - the changes to engineered Mesh - make this a much more breathable shoe - additionally - I did feel that the Mach 5 was also a bit roomier in the toe box - and for me is a welcome change - when swapping from the 4 into the 5 it was apparent - perhaps I will try the reverse and see if it feels more restrictive. Along with the rest of the Uppse the tongue change is also welcome - the removal of the stitching on the inside could be bothersome for me especially if I did not wear socks (as I do sometimes on workouts) the new smoother aspect of the tongue feels great and the strategically placed padding is just enough to be able to tighten down on the laces and still protect the top of the foot while increasing breathability
I do have to say that the material in the heel collar was softer and more comfortable in the 4 - the 5 has made a wider mesh and seems to have a bit more material that can rub (again especially when you dont wear socks so sadly it wont be one that I do a lot of sockless running in.
Lastly the outsole - yeah its not going to be one that lasts a long time but you can see in the picture not a ton of difference between the 10 and 50 miles - Ill repost when I get the 4 to 100 as well as the 5
Final Verdict is obvious at this point the Mach 5 is a great upgrade to the 4 and will be for sure a big part of my rotation - but the 4 is still a good shoe that I will continue running in. The changes to the foam in the 5 I think make it a shoe that can move beyond the 4 in terms of usage - the softer foam give the shoe more range and I think is a better lightweight daily trainer than the 4, the little bit of extra firmness in the 4 may make it a more difficult shoe for me for the longer daily stuff, both performed well in the speed department - in the shots I got it feels like even though I had a bit more bounce in the 5 I was still able to have a slightly faster pace and cadence, however these measurements and feelings could be from being more warmed up as well. The 4's slightly more firm feel has felt great when doing track sessions where you need that immediate push off into a repeat.
Awesome written comparison, Kurt! It’s crazy how much shoe tech HAS changed from when the Mach 4 came out. I tested it in Mar 2021 and found it so lively and cushioned and fun to run in. Then proceeded to run in Novablasts, Endorphin Speeds, etc, so now I have the Mach 4s and they feel so firm, don’t feel the roller, and feel guilty that I never want to run in them. I DEFINITELY can’t get the v5 until I retire the 4s or they will never get miles on them 🤣
I loved the Mach 4 as a daily trainer and went out and bought the Mach 5 as soon as it was released here in Australia. I then stumbled upon a sale of the clifton 8 and my opinion of the Mach series has totally changed. The Mach 5 now feels flat, eva foam is supposedly old technology compared to the profly?
Not sure if it's because I'm a heavier runner and and clifton suits me better, the foam and the feel of the clifton beats the Mach for me.
Had mach 4s last year, they felt uncomfortable for me to be in. Got the Mach 5s a monthish ago, and wow they are amazing these are my favorite shoes
QD: Speedgoat 5. Ended up being a second pair of them. I heard they were similar to the EVO Speedgoat and they really are.
I bought the Hoka Clifton 6 for daily training and long runs based on lots of good reviews. I found the cushioning lacked rebound and felt like it sapped energy with every stride. I did a test run in the Rincon OG, which seemed a bit better. Since wearing out my Cliftons, I've been sticking to shoes with 8-10 mm drops to avoid stressing my calves.
QD: Actually just purchased the Mach 4 about a month and a bit ago. Got them on a good deal as I'm a full-time student, and its making running very enjoyable for me despite an old knee injury.
Good update, glad they're working for you!
Qd. Hoka Challenger. I like to take a break from the roads and jump into trails, especially on longer runs of 1.5 to 3+ hours. It just gives me a mental break, and the Challenger handles both roads and trails well enough.
QD- first Hoka I ever bought was The Hoka Bondi 6. I got it for work for my medical office job where I walk on concrete floors all day.
Nice, Bondi 8 just arrived at my house Jason so will test that one soon for you
QD: Picked up Bondi X - which I love. Going to use it on my next 100 mile race. ONLY issue would be the tongue - but other than that, I love the shoe!
I have have purchased three pairs of the 4's two for under $90 I bought the second and 3rd pair strictly because they were on sale. one down side is the durability is really low I can only get 300 miles out of them but for the sale price they are fantastic
Just bought myself a new pair of Mach 4. My first I took to 500 miles and now they are daily walkers. Solid shoe
100% when the bounce becomes a bit flat, they are great for walking/casual.
@@TheRahewitt yeah. They did die before that but they had enough pop for a gentle jog / buggy run
Great news, how would you say the 4s felt after 450 miles Dan? Some folks saying they feel flat, even after 100 miles? Cheers to you and the family
@@SethJamesDeMoor I would say they lost their edge at 300 miles. Thereafter they remained a good backup shoe but I probably wouldn’t have wanted to race in them or rely on them for anything other than casual training runs.
@@TheRahewitt That’s how I used my Mach 4 for a while, until I finally donated them.
For me the mach 4 was hot and bottomed out on the 1st run..sent it back..there was a nike (turbo?)with the same dual density midsole that was terrible as well..I hear many people gushing over it..if I remember correctly I couldn't get more than 2mi before the cushioning was as flat as a bare outsole..the Clifton 7 did work very well as an easy day shoe and wouldn't go flat in the forefoot..
QD: Tecton X.
Must. resist. buying. right. now.... too many shoes, but I loved the Mach4. Still have it, reluctant to use it after 350 miles but it still feels like it has some give. Seeing of the Novablast 3 can be a replacement... if not, the 5 will happen this winter.
Stay strong Eric!
Hey Seth! Video idea for you while you are on the IL- How about a video with raw footage and audio where we can hear your breathing patterns while running at various paces? I think we could all learn a lot about oxygen economy by hearing that along with you narrating your breathing tips. Thank you for all you do, and I hope you heal quickly and are back on the roads and trails soon!
QD: I haven’t picked one up yet. I’ve always wanted to. I just picked up the ASICS Noosa Tri 14. The Mach 5 may be my first Hoka.
Last Hoka I bought was Hoka Mach 4 - 2 weeks ago - discounted to £65 in the UK
The Mach 4 was the first shoe to ever cause me knee injury. The dual density foam went from soft on top with the profly to hitting concrete on the EVA lower portion. Once bitten twice shy so I’ll pass on the Mach 5 unless it is radically different from the 4 in the lower portion.
Same here. Mach 4 is the only shoe that gave me knee pain.
had the same. Terrible construction this dual density
750k in the Mach4 and the foam is still not flattened out.
Great job listening to your body! Smart Matthew
Interesting…the Mach gave me hip pain
Last Hoka shoe for road: Clifton 7 trail Challenger 6
I love the Clifton’s for walking but I’ve switched to Saucony Kinvara 11 and 12 for running. The 11 lasted me around 250 before they went flat and are super cheap at around $69.
After my Rincon 1 lasted less than 150 and caused me knee injuries, as well as the challengers feeling a bit flat at 120 I can’t say I’m a big believer in the brand.
My Kinvara 10s mileage is over 2600km, and the K 11s is close to 2000km, and they're still in my shoes rotation.
Got a new pair of 4 for 90 euros, as it is the perfect daily road running trainer for me and I couldn't expect for something more this or that, I went with the cheapest option. And I also spent 200 euros on a extra pair of Tecton X, as I saved some money on the Mach😅
Last Hoka was actually the Mach 4... definitely considering the Mach 5, but also want to buy the Novablast 3, the Speed 3... too many great shoes to buy!
All good options Adrien 👍🏻
The last Hoka shoe I purchased was the Mach 5 and after two runs I sent them back to RW. The tongue changed enough for it to cause cutting into the top of my foot. This happened once before in the 1st Nova. The Mach 4 was my favorite shoe of 21 and the fact of you raved about it was the reason I purchased. Sadly, the Mach 5 (for me) is not a contender in 2022.
Wooohooo! Good choices
If the tongue hadn’t done that to you, would you have loved the ride otherwise?
@@shannonsides6017 absolutely. I really thought about keeping it and bandage my foot. But, Endorphin Speed.
Question of the Day just got a pair of HOKA Arahi 5 first time trying HOKA so open mind and some testing instore for me.
Currently own 3 pairs of Mach 4s, of which one is still waiting its turn! Thr most recent purchase however was the Rocket X, which almost carried me to a 1:45 half marathon until my calves suddenly gave out on me xD
So smart to stock up Sang, and someday you can stock up on the 5s once they are on sale! : )
QD: Speedgoat 4 as it was discounted... It needed a bit of adjustment, but now I do love them! Before that I had bought a Rincon 3 for easy days and long run... nice shoes!
Nice line up Alexandre
@@SethJamesDeMoor Thanks! but those are just a few of my too many shoes :) Thank you for the video by the way, they are very interesting. Take care and heal that injury!
My Mach 4’s are close to 1,000km and have roughly the same wear and tear they had around 700-800km, getting retired at 1k but durability fairly strong
That’s amazing Liam great job taking them the distance
Great to hear Liam. I'm about 300K into mine and there's less wear than I had feared. Plus I bought a 2nd pair on sale last month.
Loved the Mach 4 (two pair). The Mach 5’s however, rub the lower, lateral part of my ankles and I just can’t wear them. Same size as Mach 4’s.
Clifton 8. Got it because I'm a heavy guy and it had a really good reputation
I love the Mach 5s, and I'm actually doing that..... buying a few pairs in case they screw up the Mach 6 whenever it comes out..... any news on the Mach 6?
So happy for this video and explanation that scores are dependant on that period of time and that they evolve over time based on current tech standards
Yup, we're dialing it in together Andrew, thanks for your patience
I wish I could give them a go, for some reason the Mach 4/5 is one of the few shoes Hoka don’t make in a 15 ☹️
Ah man, didn’t know that sorry. Thanks for tuning in
Seth: Ignore the scoring system.
DGR: We've been ignoring the scoring system for awhile now.
QD: Only Hoka I've owned is the Bondi 7 I picked up at a REI garage sale for $55.
Last Hoka I bought. EVO Speedgoat. May have to try the Mach 5.
QD: Last Hoka I bought was the speedgoat 5's. Really enjoy them with the exception being the laces tend to loosen up during some hard downhill running. The tongue is a bit short for my liking as well. I bought them to train for Pikes Peak and potentially run the race in them.
COMMENT OF THE DAY!!!
Weird thing about the laces: when you've tied them, check if the loops are facing vertically or horizontally! Loops running horizontally means more friction in the knot, so less chance for the knot to fail!
@@AstrumG2V thanks for the tip! I'll definitely pay attention to that.
Would you do a video on the best road running shoes for supination?
Really good running shoe battle Seth. I like how you went into a little more depth comparing the 2 shoes. Injury update? Have a great day !
Injury update tomorrow
Qod last hoka shoe was actually the atr challanger 6 gtx, because of here in Sweden we have cold and snow, and furthermore slush.. my clifton 8s doesn't hold very long In the weather conditions... so I wanted the next best thing for snow and ice and to run on easy light trailroadscovered with light snow and hard gravel.. essentially going on and of road and trail:)
Didn’t buy the 4, needed just a little more volume. Bought the 5 can’t speak to durability yet. But the best & easiest lockdown of any I have owned. Love them so far.
QD: I picked up my second pair of Mach 4's, at the discounted price, right before seeing all the glowing reviews everyone's been giving the Mach 5's. In retrospect, although I should've waited, I'm still ok with the choice given the savings, and yet I may also still grab a pair of 5's down the line as well cause this just seems like such a great shoe line for me.
Hey, once you blow through this pair of 4's, you're set for sale season for the 5's! 👍👍
Thanks! Yeah, it certainly would be great if the timing worked out that way. Lol
QD: Mach 5 but I’m dropping the brand completely. I don’t have 200 miles let alone 400 on mine and they are just unbearable now even at a slow pace. Having purchased multiple pairs from this brand they just don’t hold up. Looking forward to adding the Novablast 2 when it goes on sale.
Only Hoka I have owned are the original Rincons. Retired them after 263 miles and use them for walking.
Nice Nicholas, another shoe ahead of its time.
QD: Clifton 8, recovered from my calf injury with Clifton 6, now doing recovery run on Clifton 8, which keep my leg fresh after a hard workout
Hey Seth-awesome review and seems you enjoy the Mach as much as I do! It’s hands down my favorite Hoka and not really close. I’ve found great use in them for running off the bike during a brick workout when I need something for quicker turnover but don’t need to smash the run. It helps a ton for tired legs with the cushion but is SO light that I honestly don’t turn to anything else when coach puts a brick in. Easy day shoe is Invincible but this one is just awesome. Thanks for all your great work!!
Thanks for tuning in Jonathan! Mach and Rincon are close for my favorites, you like the Rincon too?
I tried it and actually found it just a tad narrow for my borderline-wide forefoot but did really, really like the midsole. I wanted to like the Clifton and Bondi, etc...they just felt so "meh" next to other great stuff out there from Asics, Saucony, etc. :) Love your honest reviews!
I was about to buy a pair of Mach 4, but the store didn't have my size and they said that the 5 would come in stock in 2-3 months. So i bought NB More v3 instead. And couple of days later i see that the store has the new Mach 5 in stock and at a discount for 120eur... :D I don't know if i'm strong enough not to buy them. I need a shoe rotation anyway, right? :D
I liked the Mach 4. For me it felt comfortable, smooth, and light. But didn’t feel very peppy. It wasn’t hard to pick up the pace in but not big energy return. I’m gonna be picking up the 5 as it seems improved
Keep me posted on what you think of that 5 Greg, thanks for tuning in
Mach 4 is my current fav. I’ll be waiting for the Mach 6 to grab the 5 at a discounted price.
QD: I got the Mach 4 in US 11.5. What size should I get of the Mach 5? US11 or 11.5?
Thanks!
Thanks Rod, appreciate that tip : ) Have a great day
Which of the 2 has a wider toebox?
I almost feel like the mach would compete with the endorphin speed, streakfly, takumi sen, etc. If it had a plate system in it. I almost feel like they could throw up in the mach 6. Idk. Never ran in the mach line up so not sure how it would change the ride.
Possibly Dan, I would not be shocked if a nylon plate ended up in the midsole sooner rather than later
I feel like you should add something for scoring like how well does the shoe do what it is designed to do
That’s a terrific idea.
Interesting. What would you say the Mach 5 is designed to do?
@@SethJamesDeMoor I would say it is for faster long runs, threshold/tempo runs or even interval runs.
How do the toe boxes compare, as far as width? I loved the Mach 4, but I could use a little bit more room in the toe box.
Thank you!
I'd say the toebox is the same size, so maybe a half size up? I agree it doesn't have a ton of extra room in that toebox.
@@SethJamesDeMoor thank you, Seth! It is not that bad, actually. Here is what will probably happen: I bought the Mach 4 because of your review. Loved it. And I will probably buy the Mach 5 because of your review, once again... haha
I got the 4 and the 5 and for me the toe box in the 5 is slightly roomier in my 10.5. See if you can try on your same size in the 5 somewhere. YMMV.
In my opinion the toe box of the mach 5 is a bit narrower and lower. I switched back to the mach 4.
The Mach 4 is still a great all round shoe, the only draw back is the outsole wears quickly
true true sean, thanks for being here
QD- Skechers Razor excess 2. It was on discount at 60 euros so had to nab it
Brilliant!
QD: I picked up the Mach 5 to replace my second pair of Mach 4s. I agree with this comparison that the 5 is better than the 4 in almost every way (the ride is so, so good). $89 for the 4 is unreal though…
"so so good"
QD: Speedgoat 4… great trail shoe!!!
QD: Rincon 3 was my latest, because it was on sale (€80); mach 5 gonna be my next, and then maybe the mafate speed 4... yes, i like me my hokas.
Woooohooooo! DEALS!
QD: speedgoat 4, I just love to bring them around here in the Alps where I live
Brilliant
Thanks for watching from the alps! Italian alps?
@@SethJamesDeMoor yes! that's wheere I wss born, Vallecamonica bally
Just stop the scoring and durometer stuff. Just describe! That is great (love it), the scoring has sooo many holes..
Will keep dialing it in for DGR
I hated the Mach 4 - just felt dead and clunky (maybe I'm a weirdo). Is it even worth trying the Mach 5? I do love the Tectons and Speedgoats for trail.
QOD: I ordered a pair of Hoka Carbon X 2 last night as I have a 105k run planned in a few weeks (not a race - just for fun).
perhaps i should have waited 24 hours for this video to come out
QD: Arahi 5. Love the Arahis subtle stability, still lightweight and fun. Just what I need for a daily trainer
I've been using them as a tempo day shoe lately and I'm surprised at how well they handle higher paces. Great shoe for sure!
@@stevengonsalves4304 absolutely! I need some stability to keep my feet and lower legs happy, but most stability shoes are duds. The Arahi’s are capable of a lot! I’ll use them for faster paces, even strides where I get down to mile race pace. They do well!
QD: None. Hoka wins hearts with their step-in feel, but a common experience is their midsoles feel dead after about 175-200 miles.
True, some take em to 500 miles amazing
Just bought the 4. The other two Hoka’s I bought were too firm. Looking forward to putting them in my rotation!
Just picked up the Mach 4 on sale. I never got a pair last year, just felt it was such good value.
Keep me posted on how it feels for you Nick!
Can you test ASICS novablast 3?
Watch yesterdays vlog
QD: Hoka Clifton 8 (2nd pair) for easy and recovery days for my Chicago Marathon training block. I’ve had to stop Mach and Rincon purchases since the EVA goes flat too fast. That gets expensive.
Excellent Eric! Keep it rolling out there.
Love the Mach 4 but really enjoying the Rincon 3 - would love a Mach 5 v Rincon 3 comparison
Brilliant! Rincon such a great shoe too
Mach 4 lost feel at just over 100 for me. Moved it to an easy day shoe for another 150 and still use it occasionally. Anyone else have this experience?
I think almost all hokas are like that tho, my rincon after 200k is just bricks
Mach 4 is better at performing maybe it was the dual layer foam, the onfoot feel is different compare to a new pair i try at a running store
Same. Foam flattened even before the Rincon. So disappointing.
good insights, thanks for sharing Todd
@@ericpetersen8645 appreciate these insights Eric
@@bobarvianto5550 yeah, I get shoes flatten but I can’t justify paying $1.40 a mile when the novablast is the same price and holds up for over 300.
I have 16 pairs of running shoes even after donations so I need to sit this year out but the Mach 4 was my last Hoka purchase. Only have 200 miles on them so they have some life to go! Love the Mach 4!!
Qd: Mach 4 and Rincon 3 together. Both amazing. Mach 4 is def more special. Just wanna keep lacing it up. Will 200% buy the Mach 5s next year when the colourways get better. Love all you do Seth.
Hoka Rincon - last Hoka I'll probably ever buy - they're too narrow
That's fair, they do lean that way. Thanks for tuning in and for being a member.
Mach 4 wins this for me for being more springy and about 33% more propulsonate (according to toespring measurements) ..
I prefer the 4 OVER the 5 and would even pay more for the 4 - so Im THRILLED to be snagging all these cheap Hoka Mach 4 on discount. It comes down to fit for me and the 4 has the 5 beat at least with my feet. The cushion and overall feel is roughly the same. The breathability for me in the 4 was never a problem. The lockdown in the 4 beats the 5 - I prefer the tongue and the lacing. The Jacquard mesh is nothing to write home about - mayybe slightly more breathable but the material itself isnt like flyknit or the knit that youd find on an ultraboost that hugs your foot - I feel this is a trend across the new models - Speedgoat, Carbon X3, etc. The lockdown is only as good as your able to tie these and drawing the mesh tightly over my forefoot in the 5 is less pleasing than with the materials used in the 4. But the main reason I had to return my Mach 5's is that for the same size, there is vacant space between my toes and the top of the shoe that I never experienced in the 4s. Test it out - in store, compare the same size shoe of Mach 4 and 5 and youll be surprised to see the Mach 5 is longer than the 4. Lastly, I actually enjoy the Mach 4's wrap-around reflective tape on the heel. I enjoy the feel of the 5s, but only because it was like the Mach 4.
QD: The EVO Speedgoats
I liked the Mach 4, but the 5´s are just 🧈!
How would you compare the Mach 5 to the Altra Riviera 2?
"how would i use this shoe? Tweener alert!"
What's a tweener? Feel like I'm missing an inside joke but the answer to that question is really important to me
Mach 4 140 Euros, and Mach 5 150, here in Spain :s
Woooooohooooooo!
They're going to... sell out? I thought the Mach 4 was a semi-hit and they still enough to be selling them at $90/pair.
I don't think they're going to sell out. I've heard some other decent reviews, but none as positive as Seth's. And to think the current Speedgoats, mass produced and being pushed at just about every REI across the country, are going to sell out as well? No. Hoka has plenty of stock. Not buying it!
gotta go to races, SG5 on every other runner at Leadville marathon, wasn't even close. but true, deckers does have a lot of $$ to produce on the quick
no comment baylor....
Good Morning DGR!! 😆😆
Good morning Hazim
All these reviews… don't they encourage consumption at some point, or is it just me?
It's a business, you're right.
Hoka Roket x 2 2023 👍💪
Good context for comparing
People are too critical with the scoring system. You are totally correct in terms of how technologies in shoes have evolved and so will the scoring system.
You definitely need to do adjusted scores when new iterations of the same shoe line launch. If you don't, there's no way to distinguish which one is the better shoe based on your scoring system.
All you'd need to do is put the year next to the scores, moving forward. Like, Mach 4 - 8.5 (2001) but only a 7.7 (2022).
I cannot wear either of these. They are soooo wide in the midfoot. My feet just swim in them.
Oh wow, I’ve never heard folks talking about Hoka being too narrow before but I appreciate the insight
@@SethJamesDeMoor they're not too narrow, they're too wide. I tie the laces as tight as humanly possible and then they're too tight at the ankle and my feet still slosh around in all the extra space. I have an A or AA foot but am able to wear B in every other brand I've ever tried. But a Hoka B is more like a D or E.