That venture surplus ad was a allegory. Hops used gear has also been in contact with impure thoughts, skin, and busch lite. But he wants you to buy it anyway.
I'm going to call this the "SIG Influencer Optic" because we're about to see them on every SIG-backed YT influencer's gucci gun, with comments like "buy once, cry once" and "if your life might depend on it, don't skimp on the optic! buy the best!"
Given how one of the generals involved in the M17/18 MHS program joined the SIG board of directors right after it was over and the military adopting several SIG products since then, I'd say the government is trying to make SIG into a de-facto Springfield Armory (the old one that McNamara shut down, not SA Inc.).
@@parsecboy4954 Yeah, but they weren't adopting a bunch new stuff from Colt without doing proper trials like they're doing now with SIG. (I recommend watching SmallArmsSolutions' video on the MHS trials.)
Even so, the only other option would've been large defense conglomerates like General Dynamics, Textron, Boeing, Texas Instruments, Thales, Raytheon, etc. These companies already produce all your tanks, vehicles, artillery, ordnance, radios, optics and aircraft, you want them to also produce your small arms? In the eyes of US Military logistics, prioritizing dedicated ("boutique" even, according to PEO Soldier) firearms companies for small arms development was them mitigating the oligopoly of the Defense Industry. They want to leverage the innovations of a (relatively) grassroots firearms industry Because, you know, the 2nd Amendment is actually our military's greatest asset. Firearms industry is the only sector of the Defense industry that has any degree of grassrooted-ness a large scalable firearms company like SIG vs oligarchal defense firms is the lesser of 2 evils
@@chiefro7that really is an excellent point- not being fully independently adjustable is a ‘ding’ against it. Bullets r weird when they have different powder loads and projo weights.
Spoiler, don't get the Nobel Sport #4 Buck, it works, but too much recoil, crazy spread(from my barrels), and seems to leave unburnt powder in the barrel.
@@basedWisco715 And to think that's just the NVG itself. By the time you get a helmet, mounting hardware, counterweight, etc you start to question your financial decisions. It's so cool having night vision though...
Oh suck a fat one, everybody and their mother was saying this same type of rhetoric about their thermal/nv dots and look how well that's going. Overpriced garbage with last gen tech.
You know, if I was REALLY that concerned about subsonic zero, I think I'd just do an offset pistol red dot in front of my primary rifle sized red dot. Would save me about $3k apparently too.
The NATO supply chain adds a lot to the cost. Try and source LEDs and MOSFETs made in the US, and tell me how much they cost. Then get US optical glass, and someone to grind it. Then find a company in the US that will solder and assemble these things to pass the milspec QC. By the end of all that, I’m guessing the $4000 price won’t seem so crazy.
@@atomicsmith Eotech is widely used by both the US and NATO, so how come their sights cost a fraction of the 9T while providing an equivalent product? Without the multiple reticle zero capabilitie.
@@Kruchmann EOTechs cost a fraction NOW. When they were first introduced, adjusted for inflation, they were just as expensive. All the R&D, testing, tooling, supply chain, etc was paid for years ago by those government contracts you mentioned, meaning they now seem competitive to you. In truth their pricing hasn’t really changed since they came out in 1995. You would have complained at their price in 1995.
Government money laundering is responsible for this price. When I worked for a government institution in accounting I caught a glimpse that we were paying, and I quote, "$762.78" for a 500 pack of 10x30mm flat metal washers. I no longer work in government institutions for that reason.
@@rondobrondo I've heard the one you're probably referring to. I believe it was closer to 100k for the pentagon. I worked for a local military arsenal. They all do the same little tricks all over the country. I've also heard stories about generic coffee makers for $7000 and toilet seats for over $500. I think I also heard of a department spending well over 6 figures on candy for the reception office within in a year. You hear it all the time because it happens a lot. Wanna know why? Tell me who audits the governments purchases. THE GOVERNMENT DOES 😂 It's like it's set up for money laundering.
@@UMADBRO64 I'm well aware. The military pays the ridiculous 4k for it because they are using defense contractors to launder money. They use aerospace and missile defense companies to launder money. They use machining and tooling companies to launder money. Hell they even use automotive and food services to launder money. And no one can really do anything about it because the government audits the government
10:21 I was going to comment that it is cheaper to literally buy two eotech's sights, zero one for each ammo type, and still have plenty of change left.
Been using an old eotech 512 on my 300 blk sbr. Zeroed subs at the bottom of the circle dot reticle at 25 yards, supers hit roughly between the center dot and bottom of the circle. At 50 ish yards supers are hitting roughly on the center dot and subs roughly in the middle (about 6" low from the center dot). Figured that's good enough.
A guy at my local range went to put a new Eotech on his M4 and found the glass had a cracked look. It was a NOS unit and this was the first time being mounted. The next time we met he said it cost him a hundred dollars for repair and was still waiting for it to come back. He rents out machine guns and it was getting mounted on a law enforcement test gun.
Piggy back offset 45 is definitely my preferred option. Esp for how fast it can be engaged vs reaching up and pushing a button AND it becomes a backup aim option. 2 is 1 , 1 is none (or in this case 1 is $4k)
I love Venture Surplus! I'm lucky enough to be in the same city so I can visit a Surplus store they own and pickup my online orders there, or just get most of their great deals at the store. I'm happy they are sponsoring you, all of the people that work there that I have met so far are fantastic people.
I’ve had good luck with the Ammo Inc. Stealth 220 grain. 8.5 inch Mas Defense barrel, Riflespeed AGB, H2 buffer and YHM Resonator K on a Griffin Gate-lok mount. The bolt doesn’t always lock back on the last round though.
I feel like these super expensive optics must be nice but way overkill for 99% of people simply due to diminishing returns. As long as it works fine is clear and is reliable that's what really matters and there's realistically only so much you can do before price balloons exponentially for minimal gains.
I’m running an lpvo along with a 45 degree reddot. I’m cqb 25 yards and in running subs so no need to be super precise and a 50 yard zero for super it works out great
The concept of a sight that can remember multiple zeros for different ammos or different guns is HUGE. This should be pursued by all competitors in the marketplace.
I use an Eotech exps3-4 with a g33 magnifier on Unity mounts. The 4 dots are kinda muddy and harder to distinguish under NV but with the magnifier up they work great for holds with subs. I'm considering going back to the exps3-2 though as that served me well in any scenario with 2 dots very distinguishable with or without magnification. Great video Hop!
( My birthday is November if you want to get me a 9T as an early present ) The correct size gas port size/buffer/adjustable gas block helps out a lot with 300blk subs. If a rifle is setup to shoot subs and supers with no adjustable gas system, its pretty over gassed. I have a Criterion barrel, JP Silent buffer, and a SA adjustable gas block. Its tuned for subs which makes it a little snappy with supers, but I shoot practice and expanding subs almost exclusively. Sounds and feels like a paintball gun when suppressed lol.
I just had the top of the shroud on my EXPS 3-2 laser engraved with the graphic from the top of the old XPS 2-300 since it’s the same exact reticle, it’s just NV compatible and sitting on EOtech’s lower 1/3 QD mount instead of the absolute co-witness height of the XPS series. Top dot is zeroed for 50 yards with subs and (roughly) 100 yards with supers, while to bottom dot is 150 yards with subs and (roughly) 300 yards with supers. I chose to get a more or less perfect zero with subs because I shoot subs WAY more frequently than I do supers. The zero for supers usually gets me close enough that I can usually get decent hits with it at 300-ish depending on the specific load
What is the shortest red dot, front to back, that isn't intended for pistols? As large as the Romeo 9T is what are the chances you could get 2 red dots in the same footprint?
@@Hoplopfheil I looked it up and the Romeo is 4.2 inches front to back. An SCRS is listed as 1.85. If you can get the gap to be less than half an inch (depends on how they sit on the pic rail) two SCRS' would actually have a smaller footprint than the Romeo.
Just a heads up. If you are in NV mode on the Romeo 4xt pro if you press and hold the plus or minus button it will switch back to your last set visible brightness setting you had it at.
Alternatives: a super/sub BDC prism/LPVO from Primary Arms, a piggyback red dot zeroed for subs, a Sig Romeo 4T with your BDC data, or an EOTech with more than one dot zeroes for supers and sub data documented.
@@enb3810 When they first bought them, adjusted for inflation, I would be certain. We know them now several generations later. The R&D, tooling and supply chain have long since been paid for by gov contracts.
I personally prefer the Trijicon MGRS. A large viewing window is nice, but in my experience this doesn’t really offer a real improvement over an EXPS3 or something like that. In my experience, two eyes open isn’t really possible without the viewing window size on the MGRS. Reliably anyway… It’s not even much heavier and you can make up for the added weight with a lighter platform like the PSA Jakl. I like the monolithic rail on that so I can place the MGRS all the way up front to counter muzzle rise too.
I use that stealth ammo inc same round in a bg defense barrel, cycles perfectly with sub and supers. I went through several barrels of different brands to find one that works without an adjustable gb. Just fyi some are out there.
Poor Idea: use Monstrum's forward magnifier for a second zero for supers, and zero your main optic for subs. The forward magnifier was intended for prism optics so it sits in front of the optic, but since it sits between the optic and target it shifts zero, so it itself must also be zeroed. Could run a 1x or 1.5x prism zero it for subs, then flip the 2x foward magnifier down and zero that combo for supers.
For the price of $4k you could buy 26 romeo 5’s, mount them all onto your top pic rail then boom. You got 26 individual zeros for supers, subs, transonics, hypersonics, infrasonics, ultrasonics, moving targets, bullet drop holdovers, and an form entire eotech ring with the remaining dots
If it was something that I did a lot and wanted more precision, I think having a red dot and another offset red dot that I could use for my subs. Way cheaper if I didn't want to worry about holdover EDIT. I spoke too soon.
Hear me out. Unity fast mount with the top dot zeroed for supers. HRF skiff with an RMR on it that you can see through the window meant for iron sights and zero that for subs
So I tired the two inline red dots, one zeroed for supers and the other for subs. I used Holosun 403s, one red, and one green, so I could differentiate between the two zeros. In theory it works great. However, in real life the glass coatings reduce the brightness of the forward mounted dot so much that on the full brightness setting it looks like it's only on half brightness. I could maybe see it working with the T2's wither their better/clearer glass coatings, but I don't feel like spending that much money to find out.
my eotechs were made in 2011, one smells like mongolian beef.the other one literally survived a plane crash in the arctic circle, i think im doing just fine thank you.
Uhh why not just paint pen witness your zero for both projectiles on whatever EOTECH or dot you use with different ink for each round? That’s what I do for 77SMK and 62 green tip. I have some SMK for bump in the night and long range precision. I have my 62 stacked deep for SHTF because it was cheap. That’s also what I do for my rmr on my g34. I have my 119 range competition zero and my 147 not today son zero marked. It works fine and costs 10 bucks in markers
Buy 2 - aimpoint H1. Zero one with hyper sonic ammo, and the other subsonic. Then, use a sharpie to mark ur mount location on ur receiver. Switch sights pending the ammo u use. H1 # 1 brightness will work with NVGs
I was able to accomplish similar capabilities of the Sig Romeo 9T w/ the following set up, optimized for 300 yards and in: Carbine: AB A10 Suppressor on a 9.5" BCM 300 Blackout w/ Rifle Speed adjustable gas block. This allows you to quickly adjust gas setting between subsonic and super sonic loadings, with reliable cycling. Optics: Vector Paragon 4X Prism(check out Focus Tripp's review) on a Bobro Engineering T2 style ultra low mount ---> 40 yard zero for supersonics, subsonics use hold overs in BDC reticle. I have a printed reticle with holdover for both. Holosun EPS Carry Piggy Backed on the integral red dot mount on top of the 4X prism --->zeroed -.25" @ 50 yards for super sonics, both super and subsonics are dead hold out to ~50 yards This optic set up is quick and intuitive. Also the piggy back red dot sits much lower than most piggy back red dot set ups. The red dot height is 2.5" from the top of the rail. Head is up right, using the piggy back red dot for close in shots. When you need more precision or longer shots, drop you head into a good cheek weld to get behind the excellent eye relief of the 4x prism. This set up is MUCH more compact, light weight, has better eye relief and is ~4x cheaper than the ACOG piggy back red dot combo.
The only question I have is why when they put up the pre release description on optics planet and other retailers did it say something about being affordable…
Hop, could you make a video on pros vs cons re if one should have a separate night gun and a day gun, or if a night and day gun can be one gun. Thanks for all that you do.
Also, i feel like the 2 dot reticle on eotech can do the same with 300 blk. first dot for supers and bottom dot for subs or at least close enough but i guess for precision, that might not be good enough.
Hey @Hoplopfheil - since you mentioned difficulties with the ammo inc., what has been your experience with other 300 BLK loads? Have you found any others that have been more reliable? I personally still find it a fun round to shoot and reload for. The subs end of costing about the same as supers, since the difference in cost of the heavier projo is offset by the far less powder use in the loads. Still more $$$ than good ole 5.56, but fun none-the-less. Thanks for the content as always, keep up the good work!
Kind of seems like something that can be substituted by using an lpvo with a red dot, or by just using two different guns, both of which would be cheaper.
"this optic is so clear!"
"Should be, you're seeing through 4K"
I c wat u did thar
Aha.. aha.. ahhhaaa
😂😂
This is the kind of dad joke I live for lol
Ha, you get a complimentary wank… I mean.. wink 😉 🎉
"You don't need a $4,000 red dot." Yeah, I had already sorted that out for myself. But hey, thanks for the heads up.
Literally what I came to add.
Every red dot ive purchased has failed. Gone back to irons and not looking back.
@@mewkatlol $40 Amazon optics don't count
@@mewkatlolwhat a clown take.
@@mewkatlolI would first recommend not purchasing optics from wish. 😅😂
That venture surplus ad was a allegory. Hops used gear has also been in contact with impure thoughts, skin, and busch lite. But he wants you to buy it anyway.
Forever uncleeeeeean!! 😂
DO NOT look at a usmc bivvy under a blacklight…
"You've never watched Hop!? No? Well, it is allegorical".
Guntubers getting in on the sweaty worn clothing market when
@@IVIaskerade -sweaty worn- *distressed* 😉👍🏻
I'm going to call this the "SIG Influencer Optic" because we're about to see them on every SIG-backed YT influencer's gucci gun, with comments like "buy once, cry once" and "if your life might depend on it, don't skimp on the optic! buy the best!"
The venn diagram between snake oil salesman and gun influencers might as well be a circle.
Real
But you have to buy one to show you arent one of the "poors" and committed to the guntuber tacticool cult
Apparently you commented before watching even just the first couple minutes of this video 😂
@@archipelago93 nah watched the whole thing, boss.
Sig Sauer: It costs $4k
Us govt: Money printer go brrr
US Govt: We'll take 1,000,000,000,000,000 of them!!!!
Yes, but I bet they aren't paying that full MSRP. Hop is probably right that it's a "please don't actually buy this" price from Sig
@@hawkshalfbackno, they’ll pay 3x the price for maintenance contracts, support, logistics… lobbying…
You do realize it's cheaper for non civilians right?
But they pay just over $200 for an M17/18 and that’s for a whole kit.
For 4 grand that thing better blow something else other than just my mind
For 4 grand it should aim for me. It should be directing the bullets mid-flight.
I’m expecting to blow my brains out after I default on 4 mortgage payments just to buy this thing…
It’ll blow your opps mind too
A perfect 10 hooker in Vegas cost less 😂. Hell, sleeping with a supermodel would cost you less😂
There has to be so many generals and admirals who are getting substantial kickbacks from SIG for this many adoptions to occur.
Given how one of the generals involved in the M17/18 MHS program joined the SIG board of directors right after it was over and the military adopting several SIG products since then, I'd say the government is trying to make SIG into a de-facto Springfield Armory (the old one that McNamara shut down, not SA Inc.).
@@MasahikoKohineko nah, that isn't anything new - take a look at how many generals have retired and then gone over to Colt's board, for example.
@@parsecboy4954 Yeah, but they weren't adopting a bunch new stuff from Colt without doing proper trials like they're doing now with SIG. (I recommend watching SmallArmsSolutions' video on the MHS trials.)
Even so, the only other option would've been large defense conglomerates like General Dynamics, Textron, Boeing, Texas Instruments, Thales, Raytheon, etc.
These companies already produce all your tanks, vehicles, artillery, ordnance, radios, optics and aircraft, you want them to also produce your small arms?
In the eyes of US Military logistics, prioritizing dedicated ("boutique" even, according to PEO Soldier) firearms companies for small arms development was them mitigating the oligopoly of the Defense Industry. They want to leverage the innovations of a (relatively) grassroots firearms industry
Because, you know, the 2nd Amendment is actually our military's greatest asset. Firearms industry is the only sector of the Defense industry that has any degree of grassrooted-ness
a large scalable firearms company like SIG vs oligarchal defense firms is the lesser of 2 evils
@@morgonfr33m4n1337z Glock is an oligarchical defense firm?
I solved the "2 zero" issue on my 300 blkout by having a ACOG zeroed for supers and a piggybacked RMR zeroed for subs
Eotech makes a $700 optic that does this
@@breadm8101not really. Subs/supers arent independently zero-able and the reticle is calibrated to 110g/220g. Plus its an xps 2 so no NV settings.
Or you could just use a cheap ACSS BDC reticle.. and use your memory. Big ask apparently
The rifle needs more dots
@@chiefro7that really is an excellent point- not being fully independently adjustable is a ‘ding’ against it. Bullets r weird when they have different powder loads and projo weights.
I used to watch Hop and shit talk how "cheap" he was..... 4 years later, I've become him. Never change bro.
ok
He’s not cheap he’s sensible 🥺
I'm still praying for the day you review a 1301 and go on a 40-minute tangent on No 4 buck
I didn't know I needed that until you mentioned it. I'll join you in this prayer.
Spoiler, don't get the Nobel Sport #4 Buck, it works, but too much recoil, crazy spread(from my barrels), and seems to leave unburnt powder in the barrel.
I second this motion.
@@marzcapone9939 good to know 👌
Nonono if it’s a tangent it’ll be No 1 or 2 buck
So realistically, for the same price and less weight I could have an Aimpoint T2 mounted regular, and an Aimpoint T2 on a 45° mount, and a PVS-14
Well to be fair a WP high spec PVS-14 would be close to $4k on it's own. I still wouldn't purchase this SIG optic for $4k though...
@@MiamiVice.I wish my l3 filmless “high-ish” spec tube was less than $4k
@@basedWisco715 I got one for $3,800 (with a $100 discount...), they're definitely not cheap.
@@MiamiVice. mine was $4200 (also with $100 discount for paying cash) so not too far off. They’re not cheap, but they’re worth it
@@basedWisco715 And to think that's just the NVG itself. By the time you get a helmet, mounting hardware, counterweight, etc you start to question your financial decisions. It's so cool having night vision though...
A Billy Mays (RIP) reference *and* a The Humble Marksman appearance?!? You are spoiling us today. ❤
I thought I recognized him in there
@@TheHaskoDood low profile…cause he’s humble 😉👍🏻
Holosun will have this tech available in a few months for $499.00, lol.
HA!!! Truth!!!
With the same crappy glass they currently use
@@donh1572crappy? The AEMS is one of the best NV dots out there right now
@@donh1572depends. The glass on the AEMS is really good. The 500 series stuff on the other hand isn't great.
Oh suck a fat one, everybody and their mother was saying this same type of rhetoric about their thermal/nv dots and look how well that's going. Overpriced garbage with last gen tech.
You know, if I was REALLY that concerned about subsonic zero, I think I'd just do an offset pistol red dot in front of my primary rifle sized red dot. Would save me about $3k apparently too.
Careful you'll hurt the sig boys brain
@@eddyflo2978 I'm not sure that's still possible 😂
10:30 two Romeo5 optics would equal a Romeo10, which means it’s automatically better than a Romeo9!
I did the calculations and the numbers add up
The math maths.
This just went from "math" to "meth"😂😂😂
That’s patently false. It would’ve been 2ROMEO10, even better!
You can get 30 Romeo 5s for $4000. Spend your money wisely.
"...but you can't put 30 of them on one gun!" - Sig, probably
@@letsgobrandon416 hold on gotta go try this in tarkov.
The boyfriends uploading at the same time
looks like weird uncle Tripp also joined them too
They are celebrating June together.
Ha
Thanks, but I'll stick to using the sharpie dot i put on the front lens for my subsonic zero
This guy gets it
I keep getting excited for new Hop videos via notifications, then get disappointed because I already saw it.
why am I paying for this
Studies show we enjoy stories more when we already know how they end. So watching the video a second time will be even better.
@@HoplopfheilI’m sold.
@@Hoplopfheilfacts
Double romeo 5 build when
Piggie back or canted 45 degree for duel R5 setup, that's the hardest question tho
Hahaha
One in front of the other
The sig msr is available in red or green, so are holosun. That's the way to do it. Dual cheap red dots are gonna suck in low light though
Double Romeo all the wayyyyy!
0:35 it cost so much for government contracts and idiots. It doesn't cost anywhere near that to make it.
At least a 70~75% profit on that price.
The NATO supply chain adds a lot to the cost. Try and source LEDs and MOSFETs made in the US, and tell me how much they cost. Then get US optical glass, and someone to grind it. Then find a company in the US that will solder and assemble these things to pass the milspec QC. By the end of all that, I’m guessing the $4000 price won’t seem so crazy.
@@atomicsmith Eotech is widely used by both the US and NATO, so how come their sights cost a fraction of the 9T while providing an equivalent product? Without the multiple reticle zero capabilitie.
@@Kruchmann EOTechs cost a fraction NOW. When they were first introduced, adjusted for inflation, they were just as expensive. All the R&D, testing, tooling, supply chain, etc was paid for years ago by those government contracts you mentioned, meaning they now seem competitive to you. In truth their pricing hasn’t really changed since they came out in 1995. You would have complained at their price in 1995.
@@Kruchmannsigs equivalent product is the 8t, which is eotech priced...
Government money laundering is responsible for this
price. When I worked for a government institution in accounting I caught a glimpse that we were paying, and I quote, "$762.78" for a 500 pack of 10x30mm flat metal washers. I no longer work in government institutions for that reason.
Bro that’s how we pay for the stargate program quiet down.
Bro, you are lying. That didn't happen to you. That was a story that was told in a congressional hearing recently about military spending.
@@rondobrondo I've heard the one you're probably referring to. I believe it was closer to 100k for the pentagon. I worked for a local military arsenal. They all do the same little tricks all over the country. I've also heard stories about generic coffee makers for $7000 and toilet seats for over $500. I think I also heard of a department spending well over 6 figures on candy for the reception office within in a year. You hear it all the time because it happens a lot. Wanna know why? Tell me who audits the governments purchases. THE GOVERNMENT DOES 😂 It's like it's set up for money laundering.
@@UMADBRO64 I'm well aware. The military pays the ridiculous 4k for it because they are using defense contractors to launder money. They use aerospace and missile defense companies to launder money. They use machining and tooling companies to launder money. Hell they even use automotive and food services to launder money. And no one can really do anything about it because the government audits the government
@@UMADBRO64 that’s what he’s saying. It’s that price because DOD pays that much.
"And why you shouldn't feel left out if you can't get one".
My brother in Christ, for 4Gs I'm more than happy to be left out 😂
10:21 I was going to comment that it is cheaper to literally buy two eotech's sights, zero one for each ammo type, and still have plenty of change left.
7:44 when he put the mag back in, my squeezed Dr. Pepper 2 liter popped REALLY loudly in real life and it scared the shit out of me.
.....so we made it to the building, things are going pretty good...👍
I will never give up my EoTech 512s...Could upgrade to the XPS but these are still going strong a decade later.
Been using an old eotech 512 on my 300 blk sbr. Zeroed subs at the bottom of the circle dot reticle at 25 yards, supers hit roughly between the center dot and bottom of the circle. At 50 ish yards supers are hitting roughly on the center dot and subs roughly in the middle (about 6" low from the center dot). Figured that's good enough.
A guy at my local range went to put a new Eotech on his M4 and found the glass had a cracked look. It was a NOS unit and this was the first time being mounted. The next time we met he said it cost him a hundred dollars for repair and was still waiting for it to come back. He rents out machine guns and it was getting mounted on a law enforcement test gun.
Piggy back offset 45 is definitely my preferred option. Esp for how fast it can be engaged vs reaching up and pushing a button AND it becomes a backup aim option. 2 is 1 , 1 is none (or in this case 1 is $4k)
Awww such a good kitty at the end ❤
Thank you for making this video hop. I was getting really anxious and feeling left out by not having a Romeo 9T 😢
Forget whatever I was doing when I opened TH-cam, Hop has another straight-to-the-point video out; we're doing that now.
I love Venture Surplus! I'm lucky enough to be in the same city so I can visit a Surplus store they own and pickup my online orders there, or just get most of their great deals at the store. I'm happy they are sponsoring you, all of the people that work there that I have met so far are fantastic people.
I needed that calming cat cut at the end. 🥰 Thanks, Hop!
I’ve had good luck with the Ammo Inc. Stealth 220 grain. 8.5 inch Mas Defense barrel, Riflespeed AGB, H2 buffer and YHM Resonator K on a Griffin Gate-lok mount. The bolt doesn’t always lock back on the last round though.
:3 belly rubs at 10:53
I feel like these super expensive optics must be nice but way overkill for 99% of people simply due to diminishing returns. As long as it works fine is clear and is reliable that's what really matters and there's realistically only so much you can do before price balloons exponentially for minimal gains.
it's crazy watching people try and justify and obvious price gouge.
I’m running an lpvo along with a 45 degree reddot. I’m cqb 25 yards and in running subs so no need to be super precise and a 50 yard zero for super it works out great
The concept of a sight that can remember multiple zeros for different ammos or different guns is HUGE. This should be pursued by all competitors in the marketplace.
I use an Eotech exps3-4 with a g33 magnifier on Unity mounts. The 4 dots are kinda muddy and harder to distinguish under NV but with the magnifier up they work great for holds with subs. I'm considering going back to the exps3-2 though as that served me well in any scenario with 2 dots very distinguishable with or without magnification. Great video Hop!
Started the video to see how crazy expensive the 9t was... stayed for the cat at the end, to cool.
( My birthday is November if you want to get me a 9T as an early present ) The correct size gas port size/buffer/adjustable gas block helps out a lot with 300blk subs. If a rifle is setup to shoot subs and supers with no adjustable gas system, its pretty over gassed. I have a Criterion barrel, JP Silent buffer, and a SA adjustable gas block. Its tuned for subs which makes it a little snappy with supers, but I shoot practice and expanding subs almost exclusively. Sounds and feels like a paintball gun when suppressed lol.
His is gassed fine for most subs, but ammo inc is bottom of the barrel, and intended to be subsonic out of any length barrel, so it's insanely weak.
This is why I have an ACOG 4X with a 300 blackout sub and super bdc reticle! And it was only 1200!
I just had the top of the shroud on my EXPS 3-2 laser engraved with the graphic from the top of the old XPS 2-300 since it’s the same exact reticle, it’s just NV compatible and sitting on EOtech’s lower 1/3 QD mount instead of the absolute co-witness height of the XPS series. Top dot is zeroed for 50 yards with subs and (roughly) 100 yards with supers, while to bottom dot is 150 yards with subs and (roughly) 300 yards with supers. I chose to get a more or less perfect zero with subs because I shoot subs WAY more frequently than I do supers. The zero for supers usually gets me close enough that I can usually get decent hits with it at 300-ish depending on the specific load
What is the shortest red dot, front to back, that isn't intended for pistols? As large as the Romeo 9T is what are the chances you could get 2 red dots in the same footprint?
A pair of Holosun SCRS maybe
@@Hoplopfheil I looked it up and the Romeo is 4.2 inches front to back. An SCRS is listed as 1.85. If you can get the gap to be less than half an inch (depends on how they sit on the pic rail) two SCRS' would actually have a smaller footprint than the Romeo.
I really like my meprolite true vision. I didn’t know lack of signature was a feature.
The lone dot sure makes holdovers tough though.
Just a heads up. If you are in NV mode on the Romeo 4xt pro if you press and hold the plus or minus button it will switch back to your last set visible brightness setting you had it at.
primary arms prism sights are the way to go for price vs performance being optimal
Alternatives: a super/sub BDC prism/LPVO from Primary Arms, a piggyback red dot zeroed for subs, a Sig Romeo 4T with your BDC data, or an EOTech with more than one dot zeroes for supers and sub data documented.
I would recommend an 8T if you want that form factor red dot. It's like 1/4th the price or something.
The two aimpoints in front of eachother reminds me of extremely early GWOT photos where people would put Eotechs in front of their ACOGs
As soon as I heard the price I clicked the back button. It's amazing to me what people will buy...
Thanks for the video. I would dream of having a new Romeo (classic) with the 9T body!
2 red dots in a line
spuhr go brrr
I'd say sig should stop fleecing the govt, but that's about as likely as them no longer using their customers as beta testers.
Better the money goes to SIG than the thieving politicians… although SIG probably is putting money in their hands, too. Damn bastards!!
This is probably a fraction of what they used to pay for eotechs.
@@atomicsmith you're saying you think they paid more than $4000 for eotechs?
@@enb3810 When they first bought them, adjusted for inflation, I would be certain. We know them now several generations later. The R&D, tooling and supply chain have long since been paid for by gov contracts.
@blackout.ghost718ever try critical thought?
04:50 wtf is that haircut lmao
I personally prefer the Trijicon MGRS. A large viewing window is nice, but in my experience this doesn’t really offer a real improvement over an EXPS3 or something like that. In my experience, two eyes open isn’t really possible without the viewing window size on the MGRS. Reliably anyway… It’s not even much heavier and you can make up for the added weight with a lighter platform like the PSA Jakl. I like the monolithic rail on that so I can place the MGRS all the way up front to counter muzzle rise too.
Please stop you're hurting me
fantastic socko footage 10/10 video
I use that stealth ammo inc same round in a bg defense barrel, cycles perfectly with sub and supers. I went through several barrels of different brands to find one that works without an adjustable gb. Just fyi some are out there.
Hop1 Your the best dude. Great explanation and dependable dry humor
When the romeo 9 was first announced I sent a friend a picture of my .300 pistol with 2 romeo 5s. I see I'm not the only one that thought of that😂
I was starting to think I wasn’t going to get my hop fix this week.
Poor Idea: use Monstrum's forward magnifier for a second zero for supers, and zero your main optic for subs. The forward magnifier was intended for prism optics so it sits in front of the optic, but since it sits between the optic and target it shifts zero, so it itself must also be zeroed. Could run a 1x or 1.5x prism zero it for subs, then flip the 2x foward magnifier down and zero that combo for supers.
For the price of $4k you could buy 26 romeo 5’s, mount them all onto your top pic rail then boom. You got 26 individual zeros for supers, subs, transonics, hypersonics, infrasonics, ultrasonics, moving targets, bullet drop holdovers, and an form entire eotech ring with the remaining dots
If it was something that I did a lot and wanted more precision, I think having a red dot and another offset red dot that I could use for my subs. Way cheaper if I didn't want to worry about holdover
EDIT. I spoke too soon.
Hear me out. Unity fast mount with the top dot zeroed for supers. HRF skiff with an RMR on it that you can see through the window meant for iron sights and zero that for subs
I like getting the Humble Marksman cameo on your channel. That's a dope cross-over I never realized would be awesome.
So I tired the two inline red dots, one zeroed for supers and the other for subs. I used Holosun 403s, one red, and one green, so I could differentiate between the two zeros. In theory it works great. However, in real life the glass coatings reduce the brightness of the forward mounted dot so much that on the full brightness setting it looks like it's only on half brightness. I could maybe see it working with the T2's wither their better/clearer glass coatings, but I don't feel like spending that much money to find out.
my eotechs were made in 2011, one smells like mongolian beef.the other one literally survived a plane crash in the arctic circle, i think im doing just fine thank you.
Tbh the fact he said none of you will probably own one because the price, made me want to buy 4 of them.
Hop, Please do a video testing two Romeo 5's for this usage.
Stacking Romeo 5s is really the advice I tune in for.
Uhh why not just paint pen witness your zero for both projectiles on whatever EOTECH or dot you use with different ink for each round? That’s what I do for 77SMK and 62 green tip. I have some SMK for bump in the night and long range precision. I have my 62 stacked deep for SHTF because it was cheap.
That’s also what I do for my rmr on my g34. I have my 119 range competition zero and my 147 not today son zero marked. It works fine and costs 10 bucks in markers
Get the SPUHR mount for two Aimpoint T2s.
Should've finished the video before I made my comment. Lmao
I think they have an Acog that has a reticle to support subs and supers not if that’s any good though.
@9:00 S&B 220 grain subsonic has never failed me. Same for errbody else?
Buy 2 - aimpoint H1. Zero one with hyper sonic ammo, and the other subsonic. Then, use a sharpie to mark ur mount location on ur receiver. Switch sights pending the ammo u use. H1 # 1 brightness will work with NVGs
Good idea except the h1 is VERY expensive for what it is lol. 2 holosun aems would be the same price with wayyyyy better NV performance.
You can get the same performance out of an Eotech EXPS3-2. Zero the top dot for supers and the bottom for subs
I was able to accomplish similar capabilities of the Sig Romeo 9T w/ the following set up, optimized for 300 yards and in:
Carbine:
AB A10 Suppressor on a 9.5" BCM 300 Blackout w/ Rifle Speed adjustable gas block. This allows you to quickly adjust gas setting between subsonic and super sonic loadings, with reliable cycling.
Optics:
Vector Paragon 4X Prism(check out Focus Tripp's review) on a Bobro Engineering T2 style ultra low mount ---> 40 yard zero for supersonics, subsonics use hold overs in BDC reticle. I have a printed reticle with holdover for both.
Holosun EPS Carry Piggy Backed on the integral red dot mount on top of the 4X prism --->zeroed -.25" @ 50 yards for super sonics, both super and subsonics are dead hold out to ~50 yards
This optic set up is quick and intuitive. Also the piggy back red dot sits much lower than most piggy back red dot set ups. The red dot height is 2.5" from the top of the rail.
Head is up right, using the piggy back red dot for close in shots. When you need more precision or longer shots, drop you head into a good cheek weld to get behind the excellent eye relief of the 4x prism. This set up is MUCH more compact, light weight, has better eye relief and is ~4x cheaper than the ACOG piggy back red dot combo.
2 romeo 5's back to back would be insane. That sounds like a gigachad move. I do like the tech of the 9t though with 2 seperate reticles.
I have a question and also checked the links in the video description
The only question I have is why when they put up the pre release description on optics planet and other retailers did it say something about being affordable…
Alternatively, you can get a comp m5B and use the included custom ballistic turret to make a super/sub zero for 1/4th the price
Hop, could you make a video on pros vs cons re if one should have a separate night gun and a day gun, or if a night and day gun can be one gun.
Thanks for all that you do.
Also, i feel like the 2 dot reticle on eotech can do the same with 300 blk. first dot for supers and bottom dot for subs or at least close enough but i guess for precision, that might not be good enough.
This concept would be cool for a scope so you can use supers at range and subs close range.
Hey @Hoplopfheil - since you mentioned difficulties with the ammo inc., what has been your experience with other 300 BLK loads? Have you found any others that have been more reliable? I personally still find it a fun round to shoot and reload for. The subs end of costing about the same as supers, since the difference in cost of the heavier projo is offset by the far less powder use in the loads. Still more $$$ than good ole 5.56, but fun none-the-less.
Thanks for the content as always, keep up the good work!
this will go perfect on my ptr 32p
i just wanna say venture surplus is awesome!
Really solid idea especially with 8.6 making waves with jsoc. Clearly this isn't for the commercial market.
I did this with an Elcan Specter and an RMR 5 years ago for half the price. And yes, I still have the Elcan.
My Eotech has two dots up is super down is subs. Works great ! Just wish it was green not red....
"It's not always a matter of need"
Looking forward to brassfacts video on 2 sig romeos mounted together
Kind of seems like something that can be substituted by using an lpvo with a red dot, or by just using two different guns, both of which would be cheaper.
Off topic. How comfy is the stock on the rifle used with 9T
i find myself on this end of the bell curve too. there’s “you don’t need it, you aren’t the government” afraid, and the other side, annoyed
Spuhr make a mount that holds two aimpoint micro’s in line. Seems like the easiest solution to me lol. Just turn on the zero you want to use.
Red dot Sight with 2 Seperate reticles for subs and supers for 300blk made for SF is the biggest niche optic on the market