Are Your Opponents Cheating or Is Valorant Just Broken?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.พ. 2023
- Peeker's advantage is the bane of every FPS player's existence.
When every millisecond and input makes a difference in these games, knowing your enemy can simply see you before you see them just feels… unfair.
And for essentially a decade this felt like an unfixable aspect of shooters that we all just had to accept. That was until one company decided to do something about it.
When Riot Games first announced Valorant, they made a promise to all but eliminate peeker's advantage. We all thought it was impossible…
Written by: Devin Coull (@Fake_DevinCoull)
Hosted by: Dimitri Pascaluta (@DPascaluta) & Colten Gowan (@TheOnlyZoltan)
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Nah they're always cheating. Couldn't be me
Nah is what i hate
It's never me! It's my team that keeps dragging me down. I am totally not the common demonimator in the back-to-back losses!
Facts
Nah my gun jammed I saw him but I can't shoot
cs players be like
I think something that most people forget is you only notice peekers advantage when you are on the receiving end, you have probably used peekers advantage unknowingly more times then you have been killed by it
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When u die from it u have no idea what just happend but when u do it to an enemy most of the time u dont even realise what u just did
I'm actually so shit that It feels like there is defenders advantage.
with a 20 ping i dont have an advantage peeking someone but i get ur point
@@razieren7025peeker’s advantage exists always no matter the ping
I usually just insta report the whole enemy team before the game starts lmao
If they got nothing to hide, they got nothing to fear 😈
@@reckapple5641 The riot employees/bots that have to read all the reports: O_o
@@whisperhawkmoonspecialist9203 L
Godlike mindset
Sigma male grindset
"Peeker's advantage is the bane of every FPS player's existence"
Movement shooter players: ;)
TF2's snipers: :'(
for real it promotes an active playstyle, not just camping an angle
@@weird_f1sh nah bruh double scoping is way worse
@@bigbob5103 only snipers that don't trust their aim, secondscope
@@weird_f1sh and that’s every sniper ever
As frustrating as the peeker advantage is, I think it's a good thing for balancing the angles we like to hold. Some defensive angles will be better than many, so you see most people holding those angles, but attackers knowing that will use peeker advantage to prefire those angles with more efficiency, forcing the defenders to be creative and try to find off angles and new ones. I think it's rewarding to kill an enemy from an angle he didn't expect you to hold.
It's like the cs go mirage window dilemma : powerful position, but you're expected there by enemies. Will you dare to hold it ? Also peeking an awp without utility in any angle remains dangerous for the peeker, so you still need to be sharp to succeed.
And to be honest sometimes perspective is significantly responsible for you to see your enemy after he sees you, if you're standing closer to an obstacle than him for example.
It's weird that we always see people dying from peeker's advantage, but not seeing a lot of people doing these peeker's advantage
Well, you can't exactly see if you had peekers advantage because on your end it'll always look like a regular peek.
Cause you can’t see peelers advantage. It just looks like a normal kill to the player who has it
i could show you someone who takes advantage of peekers advantage.
12:54 the anh's peek
I play valorant on 150-170 ping on 60fps so I really feel the peakers advantage. I literally have never held an angle since I started playing. In fact even when I hide in a conner and someone looks at me turns away and looks back I still can’t kill them
That would frankly feel just as bad in CSGO haha. I used to play CS 1.5 at 150+ ping back in the 2000s. It was brutal lol
Neon is literally the best agent in almost any game to utilize peeker's advantage
Playing neon is literally like playing warzone in valorant. I had a lot of time in wz and a 3.5kd, so I was pretty comfortable with getting kills while sliding, and neon made me feel right at home heheheheh
I always thought it was more of a psychological and geographic/geometry problem but not the system itself. Peekers always have the advantage if they have low ping and latency but most importantly that the holder holding the angle for too long will likely lower their guard down. So when someone does the Xantares peek to me, I'll probably said "damn, this guy's good" or "man I doze off!" or "this guy is cheating" lol
Peekers advantage will always be a thing even if they get the peeks synched perfectly. When I peek and prefire a spot, I shoot before I see an enemy, so my reaction time doing that will always be faster than the reaction time of someone waiting for me to appear.
Nice to know Dimitri is a man of culture for being a gabagool enthusiast.
If the player has wallhacks as well, this can be abused a lot.
In relation to the title, cheating is becoming a bigger and bigger problem in Valorant. Would like to see a deep dive into the cheating community, especially in Valorant because it's grown like crazy in the last year.
How? In my experience I did not encounter any cheater for 2 years?
Same .. I have played from diamond to radiant for over 2 years and I’ve only met a cheater once in immortal .. and that game stopped after 1 round when the vanguard kicked in
@@adigheorghita4196 tracker link or get outta here bro.. seriously
I think I met a cheater once although I'm not super sure, there was a sage who walled the entry to the site we are going into everytime. (This happened On every start of the round while we were attacking and it's on ascent) at first I didn't really think much about it but when I asked my team to start switching sites randomly, the sage still walls our entry to the site everytime. We went to A, the site is walled, we went mid the site is walled, we went B the site is walled.
Like I wasn't really super bothered by it because the sage didn't really have aimbot or any stronger cheats, but it's just kinda annoying that the sage is there everytime we want to push a site.
It's on unrated too.
because cheating is hard to detect in valorant, most of the time you just shrug it off and no, vanguard is also not that good at detecting cheat. when the gunplay is so piss easy anyone and everyone can one tap, why calling out cheaters? The guy might be cheating or may even be blatantly cheating, but what if he just have a cypher downloading your position on his team?
Yeah this is kinda why I stopped playing tact shooters so much and moved towards towards shooters where I can move and shoot at the same time. Got tired of getting insta deleted by people I barely see and have time to react to.
This has nothing to do with "peeker's advantage" though.
@@cerealhit555 dunno mans got a point
Just adding movement acceleration would change a lot of things. that means you should not be able to stop instantly after stop strafing, you should learn how to counter strafe and that will make a huge skill ceiling between noobs and good players.
well, at this point this is the only thing that came in my mind to fix picker advantage so the noobs cannot get kills easily.
I wish they would increase the movement speed honestly. Coming from cs go valorint feels so slow and the hit stun is stupid. The lag compensation makes the hit reg feel broken too.
@@OrganicGreens point
Would've appreciated a link to RoyalG's tweet chain thing, but still a baller video. Gonna get out of my gamer chair and go find that thread now.
I’m playing Valorant, with laptop and wifi in SEA server (Singapore/Mumbai) from Germany. The ping fluctuates between 170-190, but it’s only unplayable whenever there’s a sharp ping spike since it’s wifi, so most of the time the lag can be handled. CSGO on the other hand, is unfortunately unplayable with this ping.
I heavily disagree , peakers advantage is balanced as being a defender you can essentially hide anywhere making opponents needing to clear everywhere . Defenders can also counter peak is another plus
Peeker's advantage doesn't exclusively have to do with a raw millisecond difference. It also includes "target acquisition".
The peeker's shot gets delayed just as much as their peek, so the raw ms advantage is minimal. (I'm NOT saying it's non existent).
How quickly someone holding an angle is able to "process" that someone peeked matters just as much. Holding an angle can be a really monotonous activity which in turn increases your reaction time, which can make a big difference. Someone who lags and stutters around the corner can also contribute to this to unfortunately.
Valorant had very big peakers advantage problem in beta and early days. I don't think it is as bad now as it was. There was times in BETA where you get killed without even seeing an enemy. And I believe it had something to do with their anti-cheat.
I also love how you say unless you are at a lan but that doesn't exist on pc what is actually happening is they are playing on a close server so the opponents have virtually identical pings due to them being the same distance from the server on the same network. LAN does actually exist on console where everyone is using the same hardware that isn't running at widely random frame rates render rates and network speeds. This also attributes to all the bugs and problems on pc due to devs needing to optimize for literally every configuration of hardware possible. How can they balance the net code for processes running at 500 fps and 60 fps on the same server at the same time. Even more so when the person running a 360 hz monitor at 300fps with a 10gbps ethernet port against someone running 60 fps on a 144 hz monitor with a 2.5gbps port. The speeds are infinitely drastic making it absolutely impossible to "meet in the middle" and create the same experiences for every player.
Idk about ya'll but "precise gunplay" got me laughing
I feel like my opponents always have a insane peek advantige and when i try it i straight up die without barly even see my opponent
Honestly same here, I came from csgo but when I play valorant my brain seems to have fallen out.
Best end screen yet lmfaoooo
Bruh, seeing the thumbnail at 3am messes with your head.
Haven't play Val as much but I swear I been getting "tapped strafe" a lot more. That a wide swung so hard I go cross eyed🤣🤣🤣
hey dimitri
next video should be talking about how navi condition rn and little chat about katowice winner right?
The moment we solve peeker's advantage is the moment the entire reality gets sucked into a black hole, never to be seen again
I thought it was about the ranked state, but yeah people around my elo are too slow to do that
when u listed the things you might be thinking u forgot the obvious smurf alert
In conclusion, we all need cheat if we don't wanna fall behind
(csgo hvh)
peekers advantage exsists in real life as well if you are fast enough (depending on distance to enemy)
I love getting network problems in valorant with like 50 ping
Peeker should have at least a little advantage, because while running around corners you are already at a disadvantage to the person holding the angle, because crosshair placement is 99% of someone's aim in Valorant, unlike Csgo where you have higher movement speed and more precise counter strafing. Valorant's gunplay just sucks with or without the ping.
Nah the thumbnail be giving me nightmares 💀
Elira 3D debut in the background!!! lez gooooooooooooooooo
A truly blessed timeline.
Can we like lock the lowest ping to around 30ms? Is it anyway possible?
Love that big Ina poster you got back there
U guys need to do a video on the Zerg Cabal and expose them
why no dimitri 1 tap deagle clip from valorant in the video ???
I see... So basically, if you have a potato PC running at 60 hz at 30-60 fps, its better to be aggressive and avoid holding angles... No wonder i kept dying by playing Cypher rather than when im playing Yoru
idk if this is worth making a video on. but the OG crosshair that most pros use in valorant right now. idk why but i first saw it on Cned and then yay made it popular. its 1420 white.
I finally understand something that had no question but had me bothering for a decade. I knew ping, but this peeker capsule helps a lot
As a Gigachad, even I must confirm that “Nah bro they totally cheating, reported”
I kinda wish they had a kill cam like csgo I’d love to see how I die
Ohh agreee also like a match record, so I can learn and find my mistake
I report everyone that kills me
Sometimes yes, I can relate 😮💨
I feel like a guy holding an angle with awp or vandal is more bad for the game than the guy who is swinging getting few more frames to react faster .
elige is right, peekers advantage is annoying but without it the game would be so defense sided it would be impossible to attack without using a ton of util just for 1 person
i hold i die, i peek i die
Santiago servers are very insane regarding the peakers advantage. Your chilean friend might have 7 - 10 ms but you have 70, and there's nothing you can do because there's no other server you can play with a decent latency that isn't below 90 - 150 ms. riot, do argentina servers. please. we're enough people to justify it. :/
i love how basically all the cs clips are from xantares
Yes, the end board is funny
I think they actually lag players that don't buy skins more to make them quit the game. If your not buying anything your just costing riot money.
What happened to the sound of the video
"We are going to remove peeker's advantage" ~ RIOT
Rule # 1: You must NEVER make promises that you CANNOT keep! If you do, you MUST apologize immediately once you have broken your promise.
I feel like almost all videos about “peekers adv” is just people not reacting fast enough.
Wrong, 99.5% of ppl are hardcapped at 150ms reaction times for visual stimuli, much quicker for audio as theres less post processing in the brain, rare few exceptions that can get down to 125ms or lower for visual stimuli. Peekers advantage seems to happen in less than 100ms from the person holding the angle, however the peeker hasn't nessicaraly clicked any faster than the standard, fast, 150ms reaction times. There was just a discrepancy between the information displayed on the holders screen vs the peekers. Therefore the advantage.
The thing is with VALORANT's 128 tick servers is that evey 128 ticks, I get a fucking ping spike, it's like every at 128th tick, I get some packet loss and that makes the games literally unplaytable.
10ms shaved off my ping? -3 ping let’s go!
As someone who plays way too much valorant I have seen a total of 1 Cheater and he got banned like 5 rounds in
thats crazy i had one last night on my team
9:26 is that an RGX? yellow and black?
maybe higher tickrate would help, like higher than 128
Peekers advantage is the reason why I quit fps games online in any tactical game. Maybe I'll go back when they make games better; but current setups/engines just aren't good enough yet. People can say it's a good thing all they want; but by definition any advantage makes it not fair.
I’ve been thinking about this and itll probably be like playing airsoft. You can’t really peek angles unless you want to get blasted.
You’d probably have to flash every corner just like real life.
@deeman010gdj yeah I love airsoft. Or have way bigger maps. Usually bigger maps outside maximum draw distance solves the problem of people holding a corner. It becomes a problem when you can snipe from 1 side to the other.
Just report them all and think you actually get one banned then go on with your match while under your hopeful dream that you got one of them banned
Not to mention all of the wall hacks, bots, aim lock, aim bot and teleport hacks that are undetectable now as well. The game needs to be shut down in 2023.
What about ping based matchmaking so that 0-20 ms, 20-40 ms, 40-60ms, 60-80 ms and 80-infinity that would set an end to high pings peekin low to mid ping player and havin an crazy peekers advantage
Riot promised low ping only for everyone. Then they realised thats too many servers and now everyone can pick their servers and u fight high pingers non stop.
Then why all my teammates say dont peek.
Anyone with a ping over 1OO consistently needs to not be allowed on ranked or put them with other 1OO+ ping players.
I get played in the ass a lot in Valorant but it is fun to see streamers getting rekted themselves too
Step 1: Buy RGB mouse.
Step 2: Get a gaming chair.
Step 3: Profit
Playing with 180-190 ping is frustrating
ohey, it's Elira @ 3:50
Nah man the enemies are cracked on my sides, everytime i play i get an enemy reyna that has 20+ kills, last round i played dude got 32 kills.
What's the point of holding a angle and counter strafing if they can just run and gun with vandal and just headshot me
OR, and this might be really impractical, but what if developers add an intentional delay. Let's just say there's a Valorant game where the average ping is like 40. There's 1 guy with 0 ping (lowest in the server) and a guy with 160 ping (highest in the server). Barring that guy, what if the game delayed the inputs of player's whose ping was lower than 40, to imitate 40 ping and make their inputs register ever so slightly slower and level the ping playing field?
funny you make this video today I hopped on Valorant for the first time yesterday after playing tons of csgo and I was like man this game is weird everyone headshots non stop I felt like a noob in Valorant at first I was thnkin is everyone hacking or something. which felt weird because im high rank csgo. also walking in Valorant feels like crawling compared to csgo feels like shit moving that slow
Wait so if I have max 90 fps with 60-90 ping vs someone with max 300 fps with 200 ping, which one would win and why? Assume we have same lvl of shooting skills
the one with better system typically
Birth of Ferrari Peeks in CSGO
what does this mean for hawaii players tho? we have no dedicated servers with cali being the closest with average of 70-90 ping a match no matter the online multiplayer game. oregon is even worse sadly at 80-100+ which is the second best option we get. (regardless how good your internet and pc actually are)
You gotta put in the hours, that’s all it really is lol. From Oahu, my friends that play games in general usually average out at 70-90. Leaving me with 100ms because the game hates me or some shit haha (Your area matters too). However, there are those games where you can get low 60s, but it’s extremely rare pretty much. If you wanna see bullshit more clearly, I suggest getting a wired connection if you don’t have one. You will see nerf bullets flying & enemy players skipping everywhere haha. Just put in the hours.
so thats why i scored 2 aces today. i was run n gunning like an idiot.
Solution: dont hold angles to avoid peeker’s advantage!
BUt bUt its PReciSe
Halo infinite puts me in 100ms lobbies and it's very hard to win against equal or better opponents.
Fire this guy he doesn't like valorant but is forced to talk about it evry time.
Is my man colten watching nijisanji over there?
Couldn't miss the wave 1 3D debuts!
Perfect recommendation after losing to a reyna who dropped a 50 bomb
I don't know why they don't just only match make people with similar ping.
12:54 theanh96, WHAT WAS THAT?
I feel like without it, attacking could be harder, even though any side can peek. Whatever, who cares bruh
8:32 what ping? that's my avg games
Elon Musk needs to come up with a wave that can travel at a speed infinitely faster than light, that will help in fixing the peeker's advantage significantly with equal amount of registers and minimum latency.
Depends on whether I win or lose the fight. Come on. XD
does pre fire helps the peeker's advantage?
For both the peeker and peeked, prefiring is always a good thing to do. It won't always result in a kill, but once in a while it will. On attack, always prefire if you see someone playing the same position.
this isn't correct. it implies the higher the peeker's ping the more advantage they have, but it's the holder's ping that affects how much advantage the peeker has. valorant has a dev blog about it.
lmao "we sent our team to war against peekers advantange" that's literally how network works to think that riot are just too smart compared to other devs is laughable
this is why they don't still implement replay! lol
Ferrari peek at its best.
ah yes. can we get servers in every capital in austria? thank you
u can actaully counter peekers advantage, just play off angles. thats what i do.
Counter peeking? or or do you mean counter strafing?
I find peekers adv in valorant genuinely unplayable against past 45 or so ping
Yup
o_O really nico_O really nice video let it work 👌 I'll try to ask if you want to make a video with me or send me your clips to edit 😉🤔