Definitely like the layout! I wasn’t big on this set at all but after watching quite a bit of content regarding Mirko I HAD to preorder this deck and I followed some of the upgrade guide but added in some cards of my own like Nesting Grounds 👀 also, as usual, WotC did not deliver on the land base so will need to upgrade that as well. Love the content!
I really like the new format and I hope there will be a ranking of the four precons in the second video as a final thoughts section or something like that
I like this new formar but is there any way you guys can squeeze stats in? It has been really helpful to see you analyze decks like that as a newbie to this game 😅 Edit: still going through it but even if stats aren't shown I love hearing you guys' personal analysis and pov, thank you for your great work ❤
I agree with both parts. I do definitely miss the stats, partially as the stats are really helpful, partly because I miss you both saying, "Duv duvv duvvv; Stats! Stats.. stats... stats..." But otherwise I really liked the way you did this episode. Thank you for this, it was really cool to get both of you together. 😊
I like the new format, it feels faster with less filler, and comparing precons is interesting. As others have said, i think it would be good if the stats section squeezed its way into this new format
I am a big fan of the (now old) stats section, so please bring that back. I mainly like it because it gives a far more comprehensive idea of the deck straight out of the box rather than talking about a few new cards. I like to see the exact numbers for card draw, ramp, deck specific mechanic(s), etc. I know you mention this verbally, but the visual is priceless to me. I’m always curious about that breakdown because it’s not evident when I look up the decklist on my own, where I can read the new cards for myself. Maybe this is a hot take, but I don’t care about the best cards in the deck or cards to take out, so maybe you could slim down those portions.
I really wanted to jump in to point out that for the revenant recon deck, you should have put nesting grounds in! You can move the finality counters off your creatures and put them on your opponents creatures instead! It's the perfect interaction and much missed.
Also creatures like soul diviner and fein the broker. You can also blink them or temporarily exile them then return them to remove the counters also. Thassa the deep dwelling is good for this. Also conjurers closet
No issues with 2 decks at once and comparing them. What I really like though is when you game play 4 precons. That really shows how they work. And I assume no Stats...stats...stats, because this was not a deck reveal but an upgrade. Which, BTW, Command Zone deck reveals are so much better than others doing them. Looking forward to seeing you in Chicago!
For deadly disguise I highly recommend adding in instill energy (haste + untap your commander) and Jasmin Boreal of the seven (ramp for morph and evasion).
@9:15 This is not correct. A face-down permanent that would be turned face-up but isn't a permanent will be revealed as such and turned face-down as though you never tried to turn it face-up. It does not go to the graveyard as indicated in the video. 701.34f If a manifested permanent that’s represented by an instant or sorcery card would turn face up, its controller reveals it and leaves it face down. Abilities that trigger whenever a permanent is turned face up won’t trigger.
I'm really liking most of the suggestions for Revenant Recon. Also testing Jace Vyrn's Prodigy in my list, great 0 drop for recursion. It also loots early and when it eventually flips itself it removes it's own finality counter.
foreboding steamboat does let you tuck things w/ finality counters and put them into your graveyard for similar value to blink. not the MOST impactful thing but it does have a bit of synergy there
I appreciate trying something new, but personally I prefer the single-episode/deck-format. The more in-depth discussion it allows for, with the stats and mentioning more cards in the deck, wins over the „efficiency“ of having two in one. For instance I missed the mention of the alternative commanders. While admittedly Marvo doesn’t fit the deck too well and got discussed in the cut cards, Duskana is a great card for the disguse deck. Probably not efficient enough to be regularly run as the commander, but still warranting a mention. Either way, I'm looking forward to the upcoming episodes 😊.
Definitely enjoy the more concise deck upgrades but like everyone else is saying, the stats getting added back in and also discussing both commanders included in the decks, who you choose, and why would be perfect!
Surprised you didn't put Nesting Grounds on the upgrade list for the Surveil deck. What's better than removing a Finality counter? Removing a Finality counter and putting it on an opponents creature
Quick clarification on Nervous Gardener. It searches for any land with a basic land type (ie forest, mountain, plains, island, swamp), not exclusively basic lands. So you could find Sacred Peaks, or Plateau (if you feel like adding an OG dual)
Loved the comparison part at the end! We also agreed with Rachel's assessment on Disinformation Campaign. Even if people aren't able to take you out right away (which they'll try) it seems like a feels-bad-win! Thanks for the awesome upgrade suggestions!
Please add the stats back in! Maybe do a “quick stat check” so we can see where the deck is already and how it’s affected by your changes. I’ve always found the stats part a bit long in previous episodes so I think this is a good way to refine the info a little more. Otherwise, I like seeing decks together being compared. Looking forward to the next episode.
Personally I feel like having separate videos for the precons is more useful for viewers as you’re usually interested in these videos if you’re interested in the precon. Other than that I miss an alternate commander review. Usually each precon has an alternate commander that highlights a different way of playing the deck which is interesting to evaluate and newer players might not know about.
I like the new format! It still fits all the things that matter. Folks asking for the stats section I think don’t realize the stats section has become redundant because precons for the last two years follow a good template of ramp, removal, and draw. As a compromise, I think before going into the upgrades, talk about stats that were lacking / over indexed and stats unique to the deck so there’s more context for why cards were chosen.
I prefer the bear Duskana for the Naya morph deck. You can get some serious card draw with that creature being your commander, especially when adding blink effects like Cloudshift and Ephemerate. And if you are wanting to play a bunch of morph creatures and just go wide with a bunch of colorless 2/2 creatures, they all get a +3/+3 buff when attacking. Also, your face down creatures go very well with Yarus who brings them back when they die, and Forsaken Monument, giving them another +2/+2. Also, I think Cloud Key, Nylea Keen Eyed, and Ugin the Eneffable would go great to getting to cast your face down creatures for free. And if you play with Mystic Forge, that's another way to cast face down creatures from the top of your library.
I am missing the stats - it's a little thing you can put in easily, but this new format is nice if will make you put out more content! I am also very happy I did upgrade the Dimir in the same way! I added Likeness Looter instead of Rona because I can copy creatures around. also Fate Transfer is a nice addition to give the counter away bwahahaha >:3
Yarus, Roar of the Old Gods. Gives morphs haste, draws cards when they connect. Opponents don’t want to block because the morphs come back and flip up. I got this card in my prerelease. Was a lot of fun.
Enjoying the new format, but I did like when you guys would go over both commander options in the precons, and discussing why one is better than the other. Gives players another option and a bit more of creativity to upgrading the decks. Thank you!
One interesting potential tech for morph decks is Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter and/or Skittering Cicada from the commander masters eldrazi deck - when you cast a morph/disguise/etc creature face down they count as a colorless creature, so these allow you to play out your face-down creatures at instant speed. Ugin the Ineffable's static ability discounts your morphs the same way, though it's worth noting that his -1 ability does *not* make a face down creature, but a token with a face down creature in exile "attached" to it, and doesn't work with any of the deck's synergies
It’s really funny seeing the cuts from Revenant Recon lining up with the all stars of Seth’s $65 budget pioneer surveil deck on MTG Goldfish that recently came out. They did great work in a limited format for cheap but I agree with Rachel that you can do a lot better in commander.
I like the leaner format with doing two decks at once and cutting a lot of the fluff. I will say, I miss the deck breakdown. Even if we could get just a visual breakdown list to the side of the screen while going over the Upgrade Goals I think would be helpful and not add any additional time to the discussion itself.
As a video suggestion, you all should do a video on specifically how you go through the deck building process. So for example how you specifically search for cards on scryfall. Do you lean more into the keyword search or the text search or what? I think that would be fun and allow a lot of people to build better decks! Great video here though!
For the Revenant precon Upgrade, I'll be eager to try and fit The Reality Chip in there. 0 power means easy reanimation, it allows me to have a better agenda on top of my deck by playing a land from there. Making my Surveil more precise. And even late game it allows an "extra" card in hand.
very cool format, I do believe however that it would be helpful for people that you at least show off or list the cards from the main set (As honorable mentions or whatever). Otherwise people might feel bad investing in these upgrades only to find out that there are other solid options that were left out. This set especially has super cool options for the morph deck.
My reccomendatoin for deadly disguise is adding into your deck is semblance anvil which has imprint cards of that type cost two less to play. Making morphs effectively 1 mana to cast and if you use another card to reduce that card down by another 1 say, healm of awakening all morphs are now three and add that beast whisperer in the mix and you are cooking with gas. ;)
Welcome to Murph's Magical Morphing Merfolk Emporium and warehouse, where we put the mana in manafesting, the king in cloaking and dis guy in disguise. How can we turn your face up today?
Question: when you attack with a disguised creature, the idea is that if it is blocked or not blocked, you can flip it face up to do its face-up at any time during combat to hurt your opponent more or hurt assigned blockers more damage. Is that right? Is that how that can work?
I've been loving the Revenant Recon deck especially with some of the upgrades you guys suggested. Power Conduit, Lethal Scheme and Hexavus are fantastic in this deck. I had no idea how much fun Master of Winds would be in this deck but I've fallen in love with it ever since I put it in the 99. I've yet to reanimate my Astral Dragon however which is kinda sad but seems like a fun card to take out from my Miirym dragons deck. I don't think I would include Rona because I'm the kind of player that if I'm going to put a card into this deck then I want it to full function and synergize with the deck. As far as cards I would suggest, a more reliable looter and alternative to Sphinx of the Second Sun is Teferi, Master of Time. You can activate his loyalty abilities at instant speed on your opponents turns so that you can be looting, phasing out big threats your opponents have and then getting 2 extra turns if you get to his -10 ability. Surprised you guys didn't suggest Candlestick because that equipment has been huge in surveiling for my deck. Wish that some protection like Sinister Sabotage or Don't Make A Sound was included to protect your key pieces that remove finality counters while also getting to surveil.
I really prefer the older format instead of this 😅 It felt more focused like: ok im looking for the kaust precon but not the mirko one and vice versa + but idk how the algorythm handles this situation and wether its beneficial or not above all tho, I miss the stats section, the comparison of the "bang for your buck" between the current deck and previous sets, and discussing the alternative commander (diskana and marvo in this case), it's interesting that these more recent precons have the alt commander sort of go in a different deck direction entirely, too
Alright but if you have Neheb the Eternal out when you flip imperial Hellkite to get scourge you'll get like 5 or so mana which means you'll have just barely enough to not cast scourge of the throne
I imagine Strionic Resonator would be really nice with Mirko. It costs 2 mana, but you can get an extra creature from your graveyard each end step. Meteor Golem is also a great ETB removal option to cheat out since it normally costs 7 mana and only has 3 power, but can destroy any nonland permanent, which I think is especially nice in a blue/black deck because it is really lacking in non-creature removal, and sometimes you just really need to get rid of an enchantment or artifact.
Considering I only ever buy 1 precon, this means I tend skip 3 episodes every precon release. Glad to have suggestions for the precon I bought, but ALSO a fan of more non-precon upgrade content!
For my mirko deck I added in a few ways to remove/move around the finality counters from my creatures so they don’t get exiled if they die with things like nesting grounds, and creatures like soul diviner/fein the broker, I overhauled the mana base with the untapped dual and fetch lands. I also added in some tutors like demonic tutor, entomb/buried alive, some extra card draw spells like rhystic study, frantic search and windfall, I swapped out the board wipes with cyclonic rift and damnation, added in black market connections and propaganda, some better mana rocks and ramp with stuff like black market connection and dark ritual etc, and some ways to get lifegain such as whip of erebos/blood artist. For creatures I took out massacre work and grave titan and added in the new vein ripper vampire, sheoldred, obsessive stitcher, the aforementioned blood artist, soul diviner and fein the broker, alongside thassa deep dwelling and night veil predator. Last but not least I added in some more/better removal and counter spells like mana drain, fierce guardianship, swan song, drown in the lock and deadly rollick. The last thing I added in was the sword of once and future. It buffs anything it’s equipped to by plus 2/2, makes them immune to all black and blue creatures/counter spells etc, and makes it so anytime they attack they surveil 2, while also letting me play any instant/sorcery card from the graveyard with mana value 2 or less for free. Oh and a lightning greaves lol. Now the deck is at power level 8/low 9.
Ugin the Ineffable reduces morph cost (since they are colorless) and should be in the deck. Also yup, I like this format. Anything to speed up the process of "preview season" and into more evergreen content.
I've been playing Kadena for a while now and don't see how this new commander will even come close to that. I think the most impactful morph creatures are in blue. I run a few flash enablers such as Liberator and Vivien which could also go in Deadly Disguise. What would really help in my opinion are cards like Instill Energy and Quirion Ranger to get extra value from your commander. Also Bow of Nylea and/or Champion of Lambholt to refrain/prevent opponents from blocking. Hope this is helpful to anyone 🖖
I like the new format, but I really missed the discussion about the face and back-up commanders (which one is better to run directly out of the box) as well as the stats. I always thought both sections were interesting and helpful, especially for new players. Aside from that, great job! :D
I like the new format, but would prefer either individual reviews or an abridged review of all from the block. Also.. like it was mentioned in the Necron Dynasty review, I feel like it’s crucial to discuss value w/a stronger consideration given to the new cards/ratio of value of reprints against the number of new cards/lands. Always good work! Cheers
Are you certain that trying to turn an instant or sorcery face up moves it to the graveyard? I’ve been told that if it’s a non permanent you reveal it and leave it face down.
This format is great, but like others said if the stats section could be squeezed in still. PS. I would pick up revenant recon over deadly disguise. Am seriously considering picking it up
For Mirko I'm adding in Sword of Hearth and Home (blink, ramp, some protection), Nesting Grounds (giving finality counters to opp creatures sounds hilarious), and Archon of Cruelty (I just love him). I know they're not the greatest, but I will NEVER cut Dimir Spybug or Disinformation Campaign.
So with disguise, can you announce disguised attackers, and then after blocks or no blocks are declared then turn them face up for disguise cost and deal their actual face-up damage??? Is that how that can work? If so, very cool.
Curious to why Yarus, Roar of the Old Gods wasn't added to the deck. Helps give haste to all other creatures as well as making your face down cards flip for free if they die and any of those cloaked cards help you draw cards if they deal combat damage to the player. It's a 0.31 card too.
Yarus from the MKM main set is a slam dunk in the Disguise deck, and I think might actually work better as a Commander for this deck concept than Kaust. It does a lot of similar things to Kaust: it allows you to cheat out the flip costs, it provides you card advantage. He also curves out really well (Disguise on 3, Yarus on 4), and he passively gives your board haste which is huge for the tempo of this deck. I am considering just cutting white altogether from the list, and running Yarus as the commander. I don't think you get THAT much out of white in the concept.
Just fyi, if a source tries to turn a face down instant or sorcery face up, the player reveals the card to be an instant or sorcery and it stays face down. It does not change zones nor die.
I'd seriously consider adding Yedora, Grave Gardener to the Deadly Disguise Precon. Yedora (4G) Legend Creature - Elemental (5/5). When another nontoken creature dies, you may return it to the battlefield face-down as a Forest Land, losing all other types and abilities. However, if that "Land" has morph/disguise on its face-up side, you may pay its morph cost and flip it back to face-up, even when it's a Forest. (And it makes the bounce lands better by being able to return creatures that died to your hand.)
@@commandcast Oh damn! I haven't seen it in a single match across the various channels! He's heading up my own Morph (Plus Disguise now) Commander deck.
I'm definitely gonna get "Revenant Recon". A Blue/Black Dimir Player at heart, that Deck is perfect for a player like me and I'll definitely look at some upgrades here to make it even better 😎
I agree with Rachel on Disinformation Campaign, especially in the context of precons with very little removal. That card is not fun to play against casually.
Cutting Rise of the Dark Realms broke my heart. It's one of my favorite casual cards and I refuse to cut it. I tend to ramp a fair bit and there are so many ETB value creatures running around these days that even if you get wiped you've usually gotten your mana's worth. Last time I cast Rise was with my Indominus Rex, Alpha deck with my Commander having been pitched to the graveyard in a board wipe the turn before. I won off of initiative triggers from Radiant Solar, triggers doubled from Yarok and about 30 other creatures entering. The time before that my opponent was playing a lifegain deck. I reanimated an Essence Warden, Archangel of Thune, a pile of creatures and End-Raze Forerunners. My worst blowout with it was having someone copy it, get all of the creatures FIRST and leave mine to resolve with an empty graveyard.
Necromancy but easy: Flash Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield. Necromancy becomes an Aura attached to that creature. If Necromancy would leave the battlefield, sacrifice that creature. If you cast Necromancy any time a sorcery couldn't have been cast, sacrifice it at the beginning of the next cleanup step.
Why does wild growth and utopia sprawl get missed in your precon upgrades? I know it is boring upgrade option-- but you just said how turn 2 ramp is awkward with the deck while single mana, resiliant, ramp like this seems to fix the mana curve awkwardness.
Counterpoint is great in my 0 power tribal Mirko deck; play all the looters, discard 0 power creatures and reanimate them. With that plan you arent spending much mana in the mid to late game, so the expensive counterspells are great. I play Counterpoint, Cryptic Command, Sublime Epiphany and Mystic Confluence.
I still think you cut the morph dragon, however isn't Mirror Entity also fetchable as a dragon. I keep seeing people say there are no other dragons in the deck. Can it not see changeling on the card while it is in the deck? Judge?
Add in Torrential Gearhulk or Scholar of the Lost Trove so you can get repeated value off of big instant/sorcery spells that both reanimate and place more cards in your graveyard like Breech the Multiverse.
I like the new format but I miss the "Stats", however, you could write those on your site and add a link to that text. Or just link to a textfile. This is the first time in years that I see a deck that has no allure in it´s playstyle or design for me at all, but I still ponder if I should buy one just to dismantle it and put the cards I want into my own decks. Sweet value actually.
Personally I prefer when each deck gets its own video, and I miss the stats section. I would be all for shorter videos for each deck (~45 min rather than 60+ min) and then, if you want to talk about how the decks compare, a final wrap-up video.
I prefer the individual upgrades, and stats! I watch these episodes for information on the decks and I feel like I get a lot less information this new way.
If your manifest/cloak is a non-permanent and is told to turn it face up. You would reveal it and put is face down again. Unlike what was said that is put in the graveyard.
Isnt mirko an endstep trigger? Thassa needs its target before mirko can reannimate something. That means the creature needs to survive a whole turn cycle before you can blink it.
I'm a bit late to the party here but would adding "Archetype of Finality" not be a great addition to this deck? It's a 2 power 6 cost that gives all your creatures "Deathtouch" as well as removing that keyword from any enemy. I was thinking of swapping it in for "Massacre Worm" as I think that card is a bit too costly for the Commander mechanic and it would add a great way for your small creatures to dissuade big stuff that might want to attack you plus the fact that you can always dig back in your graveyard to throw more "Deathtouch" critters on the board for defense. It synergizes well with "Final-Word Phantom" and "Copy Catchers". I also have a "Cyclonic Rift" that I think would be a cool add on to any blue deck if anyone would chime in for a suggested card to cut? Any thoughts on "Rystic Study" instead of "Deep Analyses" as well?
We're trying something new with precon upgrade episodes! What do you think of the new episode style?
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Definitely like the layout! I wasn’t big on this set at all but after watching quite a bit of content regarding Mirko I HAD to preorder this deck and I followed some of the upgrade guide but added in some cards of my own like Nesting Grounds 👀 also, as usual, WotC did not deliver on the land base so will need to upgrade that as well. Love the content!
Never knew an episode was 1hr long lol
I really like the new format and I hope there will be a ranking of the four precons in the second video as a final thoughts section or something like that
I like this new formar but is there any way you guys can squeeze stats in? It has been really helpful to see you analyze decks like that as a newbie to this game 😅
Edit: still going through it but even if stats aren't shown I love hearing you guys' personal analysis and pov, thank you for your great work ❤
I agree with this!
I agree with both parts. I do definitely miss the stats, partially as the stats are really helpful, partly because I miss you both saying, "Duv duvv duvvv; Stats! Stats.. stats... stats..." But otherwise I really liked the way you did this episode. Thank you for this, it was really cool to get both of you together. 😊
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We want Sta ta ta ta STATS !
@@ChrischiM84 after reading more of the comments I think they will get the idea 🤣
Definitely miss the stats. Was super interesting hearing about the deck holistically while pointing out its strengths and weaknesses
I like the new format, it feels faster with less filler, and comparing precons is interesting. As others have said, i think it would be good if the stats section squeezed its way into this new format
I am a big fan of the (now old) stats section, so please bring that back. I mainly like it because it gives a far more comprehensive idea of the deck straight out of the box rather than talking about a few new cards.
I like to see the exact numbers for card draw, ramp, deck specific mechanic(s), etc. I know you mention this verbally, but the visual is priceless to me. I’m always curious about that breakdown because it’s not evident when I look up the decklist on my own, where I can read the new cards for myself.
Maybe this is a hot take, but I don’t care about the best cards in the deck or cards to take out, so maybe you could slim down those portions.
I really wanted to jump in to point out that for the revenant recon deck, you should have put nesting grounds in! You can move the finality counters off your creatures and put them on your opponents creatures instead! It's the perfect interaction and much missed.
Also creatures like soul diviner and fein the broker. You can also blink them or temporarily exile them then return them to remove the counters also. Thassa the deep dwelling is good for this. Also conjurers closet
No issues with 2 decks at once and comparing them. What I really like though is when you game play 4 precons. That really shows how they work. And I assume no Stats...stats...stats, because this was not a deck reveal but an upgrade. Which, BTW, Command Zone deck reveals are so much better than others doing them. Looking forward to seeing you in Chicago!
For deadly disguise I highly recommend adding in instill energy (haste + untap your commander) and Jasmin Boreal of the seven (ramp for morph and evasion).
It's a great work but iI prefer the old format. You touch ALL the corners in those videos and I love it.
Love the new style of precon upgrades! Also, crazy that the first 2 decks compared are the 2 decks that my wife and I got!
@9:15 This is not correct. A face-down permanent that would be turned face-up but isn't a permanent will be revealed as such and turned face-down as though you never tried to turn it face-up. It does not go to the graveyard as indicated in the video.
701.34f If a manifested permanent that’s represented by an instant or sorcery card would turn face up, its controller reveals it and leaves it face down. Abilities that trigger whenever a permanent is turned face up won’t trigger.
I bought the Revenant Recon commander deck. Had to totally revamp it as there weren't enough surveil cards.
I prefer the old format but I also understand some of the reasons why you would do it this way.
I'm really liking most of the suggestions for Revenant Recon.
Also testing Jace Vyrn's Prodigy in my list, great 0 drop for recursion. It also loots early and when it eventually flips itself it removes it's own finality counter.
foreboding steamboat does let you tuck things w/ finality counters and put them into your graveyard for similar value to blink. not the MOST impactful thing but it does have a bit of synergy there
I appreciate trying something new, but personally I prefer the single-episode/deck-format. The more in-depth discussion it allows for, with the stats and mentioning more cards in the deck, wins over the „efficiency“ of having two in one. For instance I missed the mention of the alternative commanders. While admittedly Marvo doesn’t fit the deck too well and got discussed in the cut cards, Duskana is a great card for the disguse deck. Probably not efficient enough to be regularly run as the commander, but still warranting a mention.
Either way, I'm looking forward to the upcoming episodes 😊.
Definitely enjoy the more concise deck upgrades but like everyone else is saying, the stats getting added back in and also discussing both commanders included in the decks, who you choose, and why would be perfect!
I prefer the original way where it was one at a time.
Also want you guys to resume doing the upgrade battles!
Nervous Gardener can get dual lands and triomes. Also combos with Yedora, Grave Gardener and Phyrexian Altar.
I think the Deadly Disguise deck deserves a nod for the simple reason that Dimir Reanimator is not a new archetype but Naya Morph is.
Surprised you didn't put Nesting Grounds on the upgrade list for the Surveil deck. What's better than removing a Finality counter? Removing a Finality counter and putting it on an opponents creature
My first slam dunk inclusion in Mirko was Soul Diviner, whoever is interested in that deck check out that creature as well!
This is such a great answer! I wish I thought of that!
We are all here for each other! Love the dual/vs in-depth look format btw!
Quick clarification on Nervous Gardener. It searches for any land with a basic land type (ie forest, mountain, plains, island, swamp), not exclusively basic lands. So you could find Sacred Peaks, or Plateau (if you feel like adding an OG dual)
I love my upgraded Mirko deck, and as a shameless pun abuser and aging MMA fan, this deck is now Mirko Gro-Cop
Loved the comparison part at the end! We also agreed with Rachel's assessment on Disinformation Campaign. Even if people aren't able to take you out right away (which they'll try) it seems like a feels-bad-win!
Thanks for the awesome upgrade suggestions!
Please add the stats back in! Maybe do a “quick stat check” so we can see where the deck is already and how it’s affected by your changes. I’ve always found the stats part a bit long in previous episodes so I think this is a good way to refine the info a little more. Otherwise, I like seeing decks together being compared. Looking forward to the next episode.
Personally I feel like having separate videos for the precons is more useful for viewers as you’re usually interested in these videos if you’re interested in the precon.
Other than that I miss an alternate commander review. Usually each precon has an alternate commander that highlights a different way of playing the deck which is interesting to evaluate and newer players might not know about.
I like the new format! It still fits all the things that matter. Folks asking for the stats section I think don’t realize the stats section has become redundant because precons for the last two years follow a good template of ramp, removal, and draw.
As a compromise, I think before going into the upgrades, talk about stats that were lacking / over indexed and stats unique to the deck so there’s more context for why cards were chosen.
The sphinx of the second sun is there to double up on the upkeep survei triggers
I prefer the bear Duskana for the Naya morph deck. You can get some serious card draw with that creature being your commander, especially when adding blink effects like Cloudshift and Ephemerate. And if you are wanting to play a bunch of morph creatures and just go wide with a bunch of colorless 2/2 creatures, they all get a +3/+3 buff when attacking. Also, your face down creatures go very well with Yarus who brings them back when they die, and Forsaken Monument, giving them another +2/+2. Also, I think Cloud Key, Nylea Keen Eyed, and Ugin the Eneffable would go great to getting to cast your face down creatures for free. And if you play with Mystic Forge, that's another way to cast face down creatures from the top of your library.
I am missing the stats - it's a little thing you can put in easily, but this new format is nice if will make you put out more content!
I am also very happy I did upgrade the Dimir in the same way!
I added Likeness Looter instead of Rona because I can copy creatures around.
also Fate Transfer is a nice addition to give the counter away bwahahaha >:3
Yarus, Roar of the Old Gods. Gives morphs haste, draws cards when they connect. Opponents don’t want to block because the morphs come back and flip up. I got this card in my prerelease. Was a lot of fun.
Enjoying the new format, but I did like when you guys would go over both commander options in the precons, and discussing why one is better than the other. Gives players another option and a bit more of creativity to upgrading the decks. Thank you!
One interesting potential tech for morph decks is Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter and/or Skittering Cicada from the commander masters eldrazi deck - when you cast a morph/disguise/etc creature face down they count as a colorless creature, so these allow you to play out your face-down creatures at instant speed. Ugin the Ineffable's static ability discounts your morphs the same way, though it's worth noting that his -1 ability does *not* make a face down creature, but a token with a face down creature in exile "attached" to it, and doesn't work with any of the deck's synergies
It’s really funny seeing the cuts from Revenant Recon lining up with the all stars of Seth’s $65 budget pioneer surveil deck on MTG Goldfish that recently came out. They did great work in a limited format for cheap but I agree with Rachel that you can do a lot better in commander.
I’m surprised they cut Rise of the Dark Realms in the Revenant Recon deck over Temple of the False God
I like the leaner format with doing two decks at once and cutting a lot of the fluff. I will say, I miss the deck breakdown. Even if we could get just a visual breakdown list to the side of the screen while going over the Upgrade Goals I think would be helpful and not add any additional time to the discussion itself.
That's a good idea! Working the stats into the upgrade goals makes a lot of sense.
As a video suggestion, you all should do a video on specifically how you go through the deck building process. So for example how you specifically search for cards on scryfall. Do you lean more into the keyword search or the text search or what? I think that would be fun and allow a lot of people to build better decks! Great video here though!
For the Revenant precon Upgrade, I'll be eager to try and fit The Reality Chip in there. 0 power means easy reanimation, it allows me to have a better agenda on top of my deck by playing a land from there. Making my Surveil more precise. And even late game it allows an "extra" card in hand.
very cool format, I do believe however that it would be helpful for people that you at least show off or list the cards from the main set (As honorable mentions or whatever). Otherwise people might feel bad investing in these upgrades only to find out that there are other solid options that were left out.
This set especially has super cool options for the morph deck.
I quite like the shorter recap of the decks! Cool idea and I’d love to see further iterations
My reccomendatoin for deadly disguise is adding into your deck is semblance anvil which has imprint cards of that type cost two less to play. Making morphs effectively 1 mana to cast and if you use another card to reduce that card down by another 1 say, healm of awakening all morphs are now three and add that beast whisperer in the mix and you are cooking with gas. ;)
Welcome to Murph's Magical Morphing Merfolk Emporium and warehouse, where we put the mana in manafesting, the king in cloaking and dis guy in disguise. How can we turn your face up today?
Question: when you attack with a disguised creature, the idea is that if it is blocked or not blocked, you can flip it face up to do its face-up at any time during combat to hurt your opponent more or hurt assigned blockers more damage. Is that right? Is that how that can work?
If you play 2 mana ramp on turn 4 that lets you cast another morph so.. I think its a matter of do you want to go big or go fast?
I really like the new format, but having the category breakdown stats even just as an overlay would be very helpful!!
I've been loving the Revenant Recon deck especially with some of the upgrades you guys suggested. Power Conduit, Lethal Scheme and Hexavus are fantastic in this deck. I had no idea how much fun Master of Winds would be in this deck but I've fallen in love with it ever since I put it in the 99. I've yet to reanimate my Astral Dragon however which is kinda sad but seems like a fun card to take out from my Miirym dragons deck. I don't think I would include Rona because I'm the kind of player that if I'm going to put a card into this deck then I want it to full function and synergize with the deck.
As far as cards I would suggest, a more reliable looter and alternative to Sphinx of the Second Sun is Teferi, Master of Time. You can activate his loyalty abilities at instant speed on your opponents turns so that you can be looting, phasing out big threats your opponents have and then getting 2 extra turns if you get to his -10 ability. Surprised you guys didn't suggest Candlestick because that equipment has been huge in surveiling for my deck. Wish that some protection like Sinister Sabotage or Don't Make A Sound was included to protect your key pieces that remove finality counters while also getting to surveil.
I really prefer the older format instead of this 😅 It felt more focused like: ok im looking for the kaust precon but not the mirko one and vice versa + but idk how the algorythm handles this situation and wether its beneficial or not
above all tho, I miss the stats section, the comparison of the "bang for your buck" between the current deck and previous sets, and discussing the alternative commander (diskana and marvo in this case), it's interesting that these more recent precons have the alt commander sort of go in a different deck direction entirely, too
Alright but if you have Neheb the Eternal out when you flip imperial Hellkite to get scourge you'll get like 5 or so mana which means you'll have just barely enough to not cast scourge of the throne
I imagine Strionic Resonator would be really nice with Mirko. It costs 2 mana, but you can get an extra creature from your graveyard each end step. Meteor Golem is also a great ETB removal option to cheat out since it normally costs 7 mana and only has 3 power, but can destroy any nonland permanent, which I think is especially nice in a blue/black deck because it is really lacking in non-creature removal, and sometimes you just really need to get rid of an enchantment or artifact.
We need stats!!!!!!
The full breakdown of ramp vs draw vs wipes vs 'x' matters etc. These are some of the most fundamental pieces of each episode.
I would add Agent of Treachery as renimation target.
What happened to going over the backup commander and choosing the best one to run for the deck?
Where’s the new game knights episode?
Considering I only ever buy 1 precon, this means I tend skip 3 episodes every precon release. Glad to have suggestions for the precon I bought, but ALSO a fan of more non-precon upgrade content!
For my mirko deck I added in a few ways to remove/move around the finality counters from my creatures so they don’t get exiled if they die with things like nesting grounds, and creatures like soul diviner/fein the broker, I overhauled the mana base with the untapped dual and fetch lands.
I also added in some tutors like demonic tutor, entomb/buried alive, some extra card draw spells like rhystic study, frantic search and windfall, I swapped out the board wipes with cyclonic rift and damnation, added in black market connections and propaganda, some better mana rocks and ramp with stuff like black market connection and dark ritual etc, and some ways to get lifegain such as whip of erebos/blood artist.
For creatures I took out massacre work and grave titan and added in the new vein ripper vampire, sheoldred, obsessive stitcher, the aforementioned blood artist, soul diviner and fein the broker, alongside thassa deep dwelling and night veil predator.
Last but not least I added in some more/better removal and counter spells like mana drain, fierce guardianship, swan song, drown in the lock and deadly rollick. The last thing I added in was the sword of once and future.
It buffs anything it’s equipped to by plus 2/2, makes them immune to all black and blue creatures/counter spells etc, and makes it so anytime they attack they surveil 2, while also letting me play any instant/sorcery card from the graveyard with mana value 2 or less for free. Oh and a lightning greaves lol. Now the deck is at power level 8/low 9.
Who is the backup commander for the deadly disguise deck?
Ugin the Ineffable reduces morph cost (since they are colorless) and should be in the deck.
Also yup, I like this format. Anything to speed up the process of "preview season" and into more evergreen content.
I've been playing Kadena for a while now and don't see how this new commander will even come close to that. I think the most impactful morph creatures are in blue. I run a few flash enablers such as Liberator and Vivien which could also go in Deadly Disguise. What would really help in my opinion are cards like Instill Energy and Quirion Ranger to get extra value from your commander. Also Bow of Nylea and/or Champion of Lambholt to refrain/prevent opponents from blocking. Hope this is helpful to anyone 🖖
I like the new format, but I really missed the discussion about the face and back-up commanders (which one is better to run directly out of the box) as well as the stats. I always thought both sections were interesting and helpful, especially for new players. Aside from that, great job! :D
I like the new format, but would prefer either individual reviews or an abridged review of all from the block. Also.. like it was mentioned in the Necron Dynasty review, I feel like it’s crucial to discuss value w/a stronger consideration given to the new cards/ratio of value of reprints against the number of new cards/lands. Always good work! Cheers
Are you certain that trying to turn an instant or sorcery face up moves it to the graveyard? I’ve been told that if it’s a non permanent you reveal it and leave it face down.
This format is great, but like others said if the stats section could be squeezed in still.
PS. I would pick up revenant recon over deadly disguise. Am seriously considering picking it up
Hey i think that you can't add Thrull parasite because of extort's hybrid mana cost. Right?
For Mirko I'm adding in Sword of Hearth and Home (blink, ramp, some protection), Nesting Grounds (giving finality counters to opp creatures sounds hilarious), and Archon of Cruelty (I just love him). I know they're not the greatest, but I will NEVER cut Dimir Spybug or Disinformation Campaign.
I was NOT about this set at all but the more I keep seeing this Revenant Recon it looks like so much fun.
So with disguise, can you announce disguised attackers, and then after blocks or no blocks are declared then turn them face up for disguise cost and deal their actual face-up damage??? Is that how that can work? If so, very cool.
I like the split guides to each the more, just a little more accurate for new players which are searching.
No Hex Parasite in the counter removers? Repeatable counter removal seems valuable
You guys really put great content out there. Missing the stats but it was nice that you kept the deck value in.
Curious to why Yarus, Roar of the Old Gods wasn't added to the deck. Helps give haste to all other creatures as well as making your face down cards flip for free if they die and any of those cloaked cards help you draw cards if they deal combat damage to the player. It's a 0.31 card too.
Yarus from the MKM main set is a slam dunk in the Disguise deck, and I think might actually work better as a Commander for this deck concept than Kaust. It does a lot of similar things to Kaust: it allows you to cheat out the flip costs, it provides you card advantage. He also curves out really well (Disguise on 3, Yarus on 4), and he passively gives your board haste which is huge for the tempo of this deck.
I am considering just cutting white altogether from the list, and running Yarus as the commander. I don't think you get THAT much out of white in the concept.
Just fyi, if a source tries to turn a face down instant or sorcery face up, the player reveals the card to be an instant or sorcery and it stays face down. It does not change zones nor die.
I'd seriously consider adding Yedora, Grave Gardener to the Deadly Disguise Precon. Yedora (4G) Legend Creature - Elemental (5/5). When another nontoken creature dies, you may return it to the battlefield face-down as a Forest Land, losing all other types and abilities. However, if that "Land" has morph/disguise on its face-up side, you may pay its morph cost and flip it back to face-up, even when it's a Forest. (And it makes the bounce lands better by being able to return creatures that died to your hand.)
Yedora is already in the precon!
@@commandcast Oh damn! I haven't seen it in a single match across the various channels! He's heading up my own Morph (Plus Disguise now) Commander deck.
I like the new format, y'all should put the cards to cut and the cards to add in the show notes to quickly reference!
I'm definitely gonna get "Revenant Recon". A Blue/Black Dimir Player at heart, that Deck is perfect for a player like me and I'll definitely look at some upgrades here to make it even better 😎
I agree with Rachel on Disinformation Campaign, especially in the context of precons with very little removal. That card is not fun to play against casually.
Cutting Rise of the Dark Realms broke my heart. It's one of my favorite casual cards and I refuse to cut it. I tend to ramp a fair bit and there are so many ETB value creatures running around these days that even if you get wiped you've usually gotten your mana's worth.
Last time I cast Rise was with my Indominus Rex, Alpha deck with my Commander having been pitched to the graveyard in a board wipe the turn before. I won off of initiative triggers from Radiant Solar, triggers doubled from Yarok and about 30 other creatures entering.
The time before that my opponent was playing a lifegain deck. I reanimated an Essence Warden, Archangel of Thune, a pile of creatures and End-Raze Forerunners.
My worst blowout with it was having someone copy it, get all of the creatures FIRST and leave mine to resolve with an empty graveyard.
Necromancy but easy:
Flash
Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield. Necromancy becomes an Aura attached to that creature. If Necromancy would leave the battlefield, sacrifice that creature.
If you cast Necromancy any time a sorcery couldn't have been cast, sacrifice it at the beginning of the next cleanup step.
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I love likeness looter for looting
I love jetmir for an additional wincon for deadly disguise. If he doesn't get removed he take out 2 players with protection from crack back
Why does wild growth and utopia sprawl get missed in your precon upgrades? I know it is boring upgrade option-- but you just said how turn 2 ramp is awkward with the deck while single mana, resiliant, ramp like this seems to fix the mana curve awkwardness.
Counterpoint is great in my 0 power tribal Mirko deck; play all the looters, discard 0 power creatures and reanimate them. With that plan you arent spending much mana in the mid to late game, so the expensive counterspells are great. I play Counterpoint, Cryptic Command, Sublime Epiphany and Mystic Confluence.
1) revenant recon
2) deep clue sea (with back up commander)
3) blame game
4) deadly disguise
This is how I have them ranked.
I still think you cut the morph dragon, however isn't Mirror Entity also fetchable as a dragon. I keep seeing people say there are no other dragons in the deck. Can it not see changeling on the card while it is in the deck? Judge?
Changeling means it's all creature types at all times, so yes.
I think Likeness Looter from WOE is a great fit for the revenant deck. Does so much of what the deck is already wanting to do.
Like the format I’m sure it’s an easier on you all to have 2 in 1 video. I like it because it gets out to us sooner. Do miss the stats though
I have Astral dragon in Miirym, and it's bring me so much joy. Usually it's targeting a token doubler, which is always a good time. So dumb.
Add in Torrential Gearhulk or Scholar of the Lost Trove so you can get repeated value off of big instant/sorcery spells that both reanimate and place more cards in your graveyard like Breech the Multiverse.
Torrential only hits instants, which makes it way to narrow but Scholar is definitely a solid choice.
is thrull parasite allowed in this deck with the commander's color identity since it has a white/black mana cost in ability in the text???
looked this up and the answer is No. so that card is not actually allowed in the deck
I like the new format but I miss the "Stats", however, you could write those on your site and add a link to that text. Or just link to a textfile.
This is the first time in years that I see a deck that has no allure in it´s playstyle or design for me at all, but I still ponder if I should buy one just to dismantle it and put the cards I want into my own decks. Sweet value actually.
Personally I prefer when each deck gets its own video, and I miss the stats section. I would be all for shorter videos for each deck (~45 min rather than 60+ min) and then, if you want to talk about how the decks compare, a final wrap-up video.
I prefer the individual upgrades, and stats! I watch these episodes for information on the decks and I feel like I get a lot less information this new way.
it think would be great if you could say which deck from a set is the best
Can I ask a question, in the revenant recon deck, blue/black, you are suggesting Thrull Parasite which has white/black in the card text, is this ok?
If your manifest/cloak is a non-permanent and is told to turn it face up. You would reveal it and put is face down again. Unlike what was said that is put in the graveyard.
Isnt mirko an endstep trigger? Thassa needs its target before mirko can reannimate something. That means the creature needs to survive a whole turn cycle before you can blink it.
Soul Diviner for Mirko, remove the finality counter and draw a card.
There's a red creature that reduces the cost as well IN THE SET!
I'm a bit late to the party here but would adding "Archetype of Finality" not be a great addition to this deck? It's a 2 power 6 cost that gives all your creatures "Deathtouch" as well as removing that keyword from any enemy. I was thinking of swapping it in for "Massacre Worm" as I think that card is a bit too costly for the Commander mechanic and it would add a great way for your small creatures to dissuade big stuff that might want to attack you plus the fact that you can always dig back in your graveyard to throw more "Deathtouch" critters on the board for defense. It synergizes well with "Final-Word Phantom" and "Copy Catchers".
I also have a "Cyclonic Rift" that I think would be a cool add on to any blue deck if anyone would chime in for a suggested card to cut?
Any thoughts on "Rystic Study" instead of "Deep Analyses" as well?