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The good thing about these videos it teaches you how to ride ,not telling you what's wrong with you bike, spending time and money on your bike,but yet there is nothing wrong with your bike, in the end! Keep riding 👍
We have the sticky clay over here in Alberta, sometimes a coat of cooking spray oil under the fenders and body helps keep the mud from getting too heavy. I have noticed most enduro guys are not keen on steep descents, my downhill mtn bike racing history helped me overcome this. Now a blind drop off is no problem. Grip it and rip it mates! Thanks for another great video Barry.
Love the disclaimer once more! Great vid, great tips !! Got a couple more to add a: throttle control. Take some time to practice moving the bike with 10% throttle. That with low air pressure gives a super non-slippery result where others slip around b: Tubliss! The only way to get your air pressure down to 0 PSI by only making a 2 min stop and continue hitting rocks and logs when you find them. 100PSI at your rim assure the integrity of your rim even with no air in your tires. You should see the traction then... Check that tech out man. i am in love with it!
#CROSSTRAININGENDUROSKILLS hey, you can create a video you need to / can do when your engine in the water has fallen. So water has gotten inside There is one movie on the internet but they do it in a two stroke. I'd love to see what you can do locally if your engine e.g. have fallen into a stream. How sure can ensure that you can still drive on. In my view, it is best to ensure that the engine comes back to running as quickly as possible. So that all the water is pumped out. it might be a very good video / tip
One tip, If you ride in more of Rocky muddy terrain, I recommend jumping your rear tire to 8-10psi and your front tire 10-12psi to reduce pinch flats, you might lose a little bit of traction but as long as you are using a 110-120 Rear tire with a gummy compound use will be doing great out there
Great video! I have one more tip: Also using the same line as other riders in front because if they get stuck or fall down in the middle of the muck and force you to stop, now you’re stuck too
I learned the hard way to carry two or three strops and a decent pulley to winch the bike out. Usually backwards. Not much to carry but a godsend when the bike is tank deep in clay bogs. Mark, got your reply on another vid, you ride a YZ. Conclusion, I still need to grow a pair. Cheers.
Good vid. I went on a 2 day ride in the SW of WA a few weeks ago and as i knew it was going to be a wet ride, I re-watched this for some pointers and I am glad I did. Riding one gear higher really worked and the 450 pumpkin tractored its way up everything I pointed it towards. On a side note - I get rid of the big girl and got myself a '12 TE 300 Berger two weeks ago and now have to change the way I ride. Lucky that there is a You Tube channel that I subscribe to that will help me with tips on riding a smoker..........
+Scott Owens nice move scott, i think the smokers require a bit more skill but open up a whole new world of technical riding as you get the hang of them. hope you like the husky!
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Thanks - i am still trying to get my head around clutch use (how and when to feather/zap it) and have just ordered a Clake One clutch - next will be Tubliss front and back. Have you ever thought about doing some technical vids, such as jetting, suspension setup tips etc etc?
+Scott Owens we've done suspension but just as a text file on our website, i think text probably does just as good a job as video for technical stuff and is much faster usually.
Where I live the terrain has alot of rocks in the earth and Clay is rare. So mud bogs very rarely give me issues. I test them with a stick. If the bottom feels solid and doesn't go above the tires I go through. Also it may be better to go "through" the mud not around if the whole trail is flooded. As you end up widening the trail by going off the trail.
Tyres pressures for sure was running 21psi..dropped down to 12 psi what a difference and still enough for rocky terrain..tons more grip...and better ride all round
I was thinking of this video and applied many of your suggested techniques through a muddy weekend of riding at Hollister Hills SVRA. My EXC 200 was in need of work, so I brought my CRF230L and was amazed at how well it did....even with Trail Wing 302 tires. Having a more powerful bike to spin that back tire to keep it clean would certainly have been beneficial though as both tires were so caked at times that it was nearly impossible to stay upright. I also got to practice some wet rocky riding and applied your "keep your legs loose and let the bike move around" techniques and they proved valuable. Only fell on the rocks once and knocked my steering out of alignment, but didn't break anything. Success! Can't thank you enough for all the work you've put into these videos!
The Sick Horse Ranch i've always tried to organize the vids in a way that minimizes any flabbergasting so evidently am going wrong somewhere in the editing. :-)
chris jetix awesome chris, great bike for it. chris birch put his on a diet and was aiming for 90kg! i think he got it down to 93? facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/photos/a.518341678242103.1073741826.282208178522122/686585118084424/
I brought my dirtbike to a trail and there was so much mud but it was really fun until I hit those huge puddles and the back tire grew a mind of its own and scared the shit outta me but I learned how to control it and make my back tire go out of control on purpose cuz it was fun lol
should be noted that weighting the rear causes the front wheel to wander, leading to loss of control, so unless i’m loosing grip i prefer staying centered on the bike and going as fast as i can
Probably for a short section of mud. In long sections of mud, you can maintain constant throttle, but you may need a lot of traction to get out, which is uphill. So this method should be used toward the end of a long mud section. Where in Australia are you? I'd love to ride with you guys.
Samual Iam thank sam but that stuff mainly hits anyone crazy enough to live in the tropics. brisbane is subtropical so we just get the rain when it peters out and the low pressure system passes over. mud fest!
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES All the same I suppose. When it rains it pours and the muck doesn't help... except for honing those riding skills. Cheers.
Well, I'm out, I can't ride rocks and sand worth shit...so if mud is like those...oh, yeah, I had to pause and replay your tip a few times to, ah, read it! LOL!
Hey man at least you're honest!🤣 for real man like anything it takes practice keep riding in that shit and you'll be good before you know it.."then you can change your name to kicking ass...i would" lol good luck and ride safe
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today i had an awful crash with my big trail, a bit of mud made front tire lose traction and i just face palm the ground, i was 10 mph though. the bike has crash bars and therefore no further damages.. just a scratched exhaust. sadly.
One of my riding buddies did a mud race in a cr85. So every time you see some mud, say a little prayer to Jason, because he sacrificed himself for our sins.
In loose big gravel I let the bike do it a thing as you instructed, but I find In mud, traction is consistently so limited, I have to steer the bike, but let the rear end loose... maybe because I'm not being smooth enough on the throttle
I practice balancing. So, I generally ride through water puddles slow. Sitting with feet on the pegs. Almost never have to take my feet off. I watch my friend stick his feet out both sides. So, as not to get them wet. I almost think his plan is better. If bike should fall under him. His feet are already in place.....Lol
One leg out to balance is ok but both legs out raises center of gravity by pivoting at the seat! More likely to tip over & no rear brake control. Figured this out myself on bigger bikes.
According to Bernie Schrieber'r book (circa 1982), when riding in mud you should pull up on the handlebars. Hard! Hard enough to make an ugly face. Pulling up on the bars puts more pressure on the pegs, thus weighting the rear end, giving the rider more traction. Bernie Schrieber (U.S.) was World Trials Champion in 1980. Even though his book is now 34 years old, everything in it still applies. Ha! I can read the book a lot better than I can ride my Trials bike. I suck at riding in mud, we don't ever have any in Southern California. Great vids, by the way! Thanks.
I disagree in one point. I always position my body up front to weighten the front tire for more traction. Rear end is free to move around. But I'm no single track rider. My experience comes from the dirt roads I commute on. On the rest I totally agree.
hi there again! love this video. just went riding today. so thinking of something we talked about earlier. instead of cooking spray or silicon spray. how about you try some Rust-Oleum NeverWet spray!!!! I was talking to my father in law about how sweet it would be under the fenders and around the bike to inhibit mud sticking.
From my gumby experience on the mx track when it's properly muddy, i get better grip so i don't slide sideways when im in a lower gear and between low to mid rpm. Higher gear and slipping the clutch is very unstable and the bike just wants to slide sideways.
I just had the front wheel turn left when I was in a muddy rut slippery desert mud. I instinctively put my left foot down, and it just slipped out as I was still moving forward. My leg bent sideways outward at the knee, and I can absolutely not believe I didn't break my knee. I am in the recliner now, in tremendous pain, and afraid to ride again. I actually did it twice. I kept going and did the exact same crash 5 minutes later, even worse. Heard my leg pop. I can't seem to avoid the instinct to put my foot down, and it has seriously messed me up.
Ouch. If you heard a pop then chances are you've done the ACL or some other ligament. 😢 Was this despite wearing knee braces? They usually reduce the chances to a fair extent. Maybe see if you can get a rebate on some for your recovery then use them for dirt riding? The CTi braces are usually claimable.
I have a question about the tyre pressures. Im pretty sure the weight of the bike and the rider matters. You recommended 6-8 psi, and I think the bikes you ride weigh around 220 pounds or something. I have a Honda nx 650 that weighs 340 pounds or so, so I think the tyre pressure could be a bit higher than yours, because the tyre print is already wider due to the heavier weight. Don't take it wrong though, I don't ride in places like you with a Dominator 650... It's just a simple question of does the bike weight matter or not, when setting the tyre pressure :) Nice video though, keep it up
definitely want more air for a big 650 but how much would still depend on a range of factors.... type of riding, rider weight, how heavy duty your tubes are etc.
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Watching this because of a fail today on my V-Strom. Coated in mud, with damage to a hard case and the rear break which somehow buried itself. Was caught by surprise and had touring tires on that just could not deal with it.
John Smith yeah it's mostly commonsense hey? putting the bike in gear with the engine off to use the clutch as a rear brake down really steep slippery hills and walking the bike was about the only new info i picked up in the past year for this vid.
ohhh the gorge at 3:05 I've killed a bike there in the middle of summer and dislocated my knee multiple times one day there in the mud but I still ride it every time we go out just about
A good question, I think it's largely unchanged. I have ridden the DR650 on some of our muddy tracks using the same techniques. Not sure if it would change for heavier bikes...
Great tips, but I think you missed the most important one... Grip the bike with your knees and give steering input with your legs... I can understand why you left it out if you know about this, because to explain it, it sounds contradictory to you saying "let the bike do what it wants".
+Subaru Blue a good point, although we left that out due to the variety of opinions about this. guys with a trials background will often not grip the bike with their boots in those situations, whereas mx or pure enduro background guys will. personally i suspect it could vary depending on the speed involved? i'd be keen to ask our coach chris birch next time he flies over as i'll probably update those earlier vids at some point.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES When I am riding slow, I sit down and use my feet as pivit points to keep the bike upright... (Being careful not to place my foot in a dangerous position) When I am riding faster, I let the front end kinda do what it wants to a certain extent and I control the bike with my legs... If I am going to plow over some ruts or rocks I will make sure my handle bars stay true but I will not man handle them and put my weight on them. I want that front end to float, so I keep all my weight on my pegs and back seat. The reason I steer with my legs is that the bike will turn when leaned. But if I use my handle bars, the bikes front end will not turn as fast as it should and it washes out kinda the same way as braking... But the direction it washes out can be uncontrollable and scary... Also grabbing the bike with my knees and steering with my legs and stomach has many advantages in other terrain as well... Especially when you are in the air you have SO MUCH MORE CONTROL! I just got back from riding mud, snow, and slush today: and I have to say when I tried steering with my arms and the handle bar instead of my feet and pegs: I had to go far far slower in order to be in control. it was almost immediately apparent to me that handle bar input to control the bike was not the fastest way... (I did a little experiment just to make sure I wasn't full of kangaroo dung) Take note: I am not trying to say you let go of the handle bars entirely, but it's like sledding (if you have ever been), you don't control the snow sled with your arms, but it does help to have them on the sled....
+kim ryan emasyadong maraming ulan sa pilipinas? pumunta ako sa manila noong 1986, maraming ulan para sa isang buwan! sorry about the bad tagalog, it was years ago i learned a bit lol.
In my area the clay content is high. Our type of mud packs on tyres.. . All type... badly. I simply fall-crash forever. My rhoughts after many falls are that it not practical to ride thick muddy roads. What is your advice to me? Did I develop mental fear?
Are geese loose ? 🤔 Asking for a friend. Has anyone tried a snatch strap when a bike pulls another bike out of the mud? I'm thinking the bike doing the recovery could be snatched backwards instead of the bike being towed being snatched forward. Has anyone tried the snatch?
I hear the East Canadian Fornicating Goose is exceptionally loose, Martin. I'm not sure on the snatch, it's so dry here we've never had a bike stuck in the mud...
I reduce the engine sounds by 50% for the narration, Julien. This works perfectly on a good sound system, but it may not be enough if watching the vids on your phone or with a tinny sound system. All the videos have subtitles now for those situations.
@@crosstrainingenduro It was mostly at the beginning of the video that I had issues. Watching it on the speakers of a new macbook, thats probably not the issue. English not my first language, so I'm probably the issue then. woups!
I have a question. I ride a 250f motocross bike, is cluching in for traction/power any use? Because when I try it it feels pointless and its like im better of not doing it, mabye im just doing it wrong...
+199mrtarzan not sure, i tried to do an endurocross track that was wet a month ago, man it was dangerous! i figure it's just every traction control tip you can think of?
Hey guys, been following your tutorials for about 6 months now and just entered my first hare scramble this past Saturday, man am I beat! I finished 7th out of 10 so I consider this good for a first timer, but the thing that really kept my speed down was how close the branches were to my bars. I use bark busters, I am just worried about hitting them, every time my pace got faster, I usually hit a branch. Any tips at how to deal with this problem? thanks!
199mrtarzan well done, pacing yourself in races is hard hey? i have heard of some guys trimming their bar ends down a bit. also if you run hand guards instead of bark busters you'll drop a few mm in width. usually though i just stand on the pegs and move the bike from side to side, unless of course there's a tree either side at the same time.
for low traction training, I like to ride my yamaha vino 125 scooter (with slick street tires) in my alfalfa field after rains or frost... almost zero traction and if you slow down the wheels cake up with mud and glue themselves to the fenders, so there's no pussy footing around... I'm not even joking.
Come to the Pacific Northwest. We'll teach you everything you need to know mud....and river rock.... and slippery tree roots... and banana slugs... *big* squishy banana slugs. See, we don't really know what dust is. Might have to get one of you Aussies to send us a sample. ;) th-cam.com/video/46jyRVO4Qus/w-d-xo.html This isn't my video or my group but it shows Tahuya (in Belfair, Washington) on one of its drier days. This is one of the many wider quad trails but it'll give you an idea of how much river rock and water we have. (There are also lots of tight single track and 4wd trails out there, too.)
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Yeah, it's not too bad. I think it's got somewhere around 120 miles or so of trails. The single track stuff there can get a little gnarly, and is where I head if I'm in the technical mood, but usually reserve Tahuya when I'm in the need for speed. ;) (I've got enough technical stuff nearer the house and Tahuya's an hour and a half away.)
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The good thing about these videos it teaches you how to ride ,not telling you what's wrong with you bike, spending time and money on your bike,but yet there is nothing wrong with your bike, in the end!
Keep riding 👍
UK is like this 95% of the time :D
In Hawaii also. (Hilo)
We have the sticky clay over here in Alberta, sometimes a coat of cooking spray oil under the fenders and body helps keep the mud from getting too heavy. I have noticed most enduro guys are not keen on steep descents, my downhill mtn bike racing history helped me overcome this. Now a blind drop off is no problem. Grip it and rip it mates!
Thanks for another great video Barry.
Your my influence for learning all concepts of riding and I’m eleven so I have school but when I get home I watch you
Keep riding and learning but stay away from 4 strokes
Taco 4 strokes are better to learn on because they aren’t as jumpy.
@@christophersnuffer1972 true but 2 strokes are way more fun
Taco I’ve never rode one. Wouldn’t know
Why stay away from 4 stokes?
This dude is a great content creator and is the essence of the tube.
Love the disclaimer once more!
Great vid, great tips !!
Got a couple more to add
a: throttle control. Take some time to practice moving the bike with 10% throttle.
That with low air pressure gives a super non-slippery result where others slip around
b: Tubliss! The only way to get your air pressure down to 0 PSI by only making a 2 min stop and continue hitting rocks and logs when you find them. 100PSI at your rim assure the integrity of your rim even with no air in your tires.
You should see the traction then...
Check that tech out man. i am in love with it!
Achilleas7 cheers achilleas, dropped those tips in! keen to give those tubliss a try next time the tires get changed...
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES you won't regret it buddy!
you will never wanna go back
edit:when it's too muddy, try them flat!
I love the disclaimers at the beginning of your videos! The pure fright of what may happen is enough of a deterrent from any type of libel.
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The professionalism of the narrator combined with the guy yelling “Ohhh ho fuck!” at :43 has me laughing my ass off.
#CROSSTRAININGENDUROSKILLS
hey,
you can create a video you need to / can do when your engine in the water has fallen.
So water has gotten inside
There is one movie on the internet but they do it in a two stroke.
I'd love to see what you can do locally if your engine e.g. have fallen into a stream. How sure can ensure that you can still drive on.
In my view, it is best to ensure that the engine comes back to running as quickly as possible. So that all the water is pumped out.
it might be a very good video / tip
I ride a 450 KTM dirt bike
I love this video. Thank you:) I went riding for the first time in mud, it was slippery as hell
it's very unnerving the first few times, especially if you have swapped over from road bikes!
god tip! fun to see that you guys finaly got some rain ;)
cross training during rainy days
One tip, If you ride in more of Rocky muddy terrain, I recommend jumping your rear tire to 8-10psi and your front tire 10-12psi to reduce pinch flats, you might lose a little bit of traction but as long as you are using a 110-120 Rear tire with a gummy compound use will be doing great out there
A good point, Trevor. Everyone in our group is using TUbliss now (one guy is on mousses) so I keep forgetting many riders are still on tubes.
Great video!
I have one more tip:
Also using the same line as other riders in front because if they get stuck or fall down in the middle of the muck and force you to stop, now you’re stuck too
Good tip
Great advice... knowing how to ride in mud can make a possible nightmare into an enjoyable ride!
CaliforniaDSRiders lol it used to freak me out but i'm, er, starting to enjoy mud now..
Ive not long stepped up from a pit bike to a yzf250 and im always riding in muddy boddy conditions all the time i think its making me a better rider
It's one reason the Europeans dominate in hard enduro, all that constant riding in slippery mud.
I learned the hard way to carry two or three strops and a decent pulley to winch the bike out. Usually backwards. Not much to carry but a godsend when the bike is tank deep in clay bogs.
Mark, got your reply on another vid, you ride a YZ. Conclusion, I still need to grow a pair. Cheers.
Good vid. I went on a 2 day ride in the SW of WA a few weeks ago and as i knew it was going to be a wet ride, I re-watched this for some pointers and I am glad I did. Riding one gear higher really worked and the 450 pumpkin tractored its way up everything I pointed it towards.
On a side note - I get rid of the big girl and got myself a '12 TE 300 Berger two weeks ago and now have to change the way I ride. Lucky that there is a You Tube channel that I subscribe to that will help me with tips on riding a smoker..........
+Scott Owens nice move scott, i think the smokers require a bit more skill but open up a whole new world of technical riding as you get the hang of them. hope you like the husky!
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Thanks - i am still trying to get my head around clutch use (how and when to feather/zap it) and have just ordered a Clake One clutch - next will be Tubliss front and back. Have you ever thought about doing some technical vids, such as jetting, suspension setup tips etc etc?
+Scott Owens we've done suspension but just as a text file on our website, i think text probably does just as good a job as video for technical stuff and is much faster usually.
Where I live the terrain has alot of rocks in the earth and Clay is rare. So mud bogs very rarely give me issues. I test them with a stick. If the bottom feels solid and doesn't go above the tires I go through. Also it may be better to go "through" the mud not around if the whole trail is flooded. As you end up widening the trail by going off the trail.
The disclaimer is absolutely hilarious😂👌
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Tyres pressures for sure was running 21psi..dropped down to 12 psi what a difference and still enough for rocky terrain..tons more grip...and better ride all round
I was thinking of this video and applied many of your suggested techniques through a muddy weekend of riding at Hollister Hills SVRA. My EXC 200 was in need of work, so I brought my CRF230L and was amazed at how well it did....even with Trail Wing 302 tires. Having a more powerful bike to spin that back tire to keep it clean would certainly have been beneficial though as both tires were so caked at times that it was nearly impossible to stay upright. I also got to practice some wet rocky riding and applied your "keep your legs loose and let the bike move around" techniques and they proved valuable. Only fell on the rocks once and knocked my steering out of alignment, but didn't break anything. Success! Can't thank you enough for all the work you've put into these videos!
awesome to hear daddister! knowing the vids make a difference is largely why i've kept putting so much time into them. :)
Sweet! Did get a mud wrestling pic!
You slipped my tip in after the nekkid chicks and i almost missed out of sheer flabbergastation! lol
The Sick Horse Ranch i've always tried to organize the vids in a way that minimizes any flabbergasting so evidently am going wrong somewhere in the editing. :-)
I would have said you were doing it right with two thumbs way, way up! lol
Thanks for posting these videos.... I'm getting my first bike(2009 exc 200 yay) and i am going to practice practice practice your tips
chris jetix awesome chris, great bike for it. chris birch put his on a diet and was aiming for 90kg! i think he got it down to 93? facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/photos/a.518341678242103.1073741826.282208178522122/686585118084424/
Your videos make me laugh out loud haha and they always help! Tanks man n great work! Sick shredding
always useful and fantastic your videos....thanks for the subtitles and to Gianluca for translation :-)
Mille grazie!
I brought my dirtbike to a trail and there was so much mud but it was really fun until I hit those huge puddles and the back tire grew a mind of its own and scared the shit outta me but I learned how to control it and make my back tire go out of control on purpose cuz it was fun lol
A little Kailua and coffee helps! ☕ ☕
should be noted that weighting the rear causes the front wheel to wander, leading to loss of control, so unless i’m loosing grip i prefer staying centered on the bike and going as fast as i can
Probably for a short section of mud. In long sections of mud, you can maintain constant throttle, but you may need a lot of traction to get out, which is uphill. So this method should be used toward the end of a long mud section. Where in Australia are you? I'd love to ride with you guys.
love your videos. also wen applying the brakes (mostly front ) it helps to do it in pulses like abs which avoids looking the wheel
I hope you all are doing ok after the cyclones running through the areas. Stay safe and keep your head up.
Cheers from New England.
Samual Iam thank sam but that stuff mainly hits anyone crazy enough to live in the tropics. brisbane is subtropical so we just get the rain when it peters out and the low pressure system passes over. mud fest!
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES All the same I suppose. When it rains it pours and the muck doesn't help... except for honing those riding skills.
Cheers.
Ever since I was young it’s always been pin it and hope for the best
Not 3 seconds…I get this hilarious note!
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The tips are priceless....., kudos...
Well, I'm out, I can't ride rocks and sand worth shit...so if mud is like those...oh, yeah, I had to pause and replay your tip a few times to, ah, read it! LOL!
Hey man at least you're honest!🤣 for real man like anything it takes practice keep riding in that shit and you'll be good before you know it.."then you can change your name to kicking ass...i would" lol good luck and ride safe
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Watching this after my backend spun around in 2 gear and the grip landed right on my thumb and broke it.
Great info that I could have used years ago!
today i had an awful crash with my big trail, a bit of mud made front tire lose traction and i just face palm the ground, i was 10 mph though. the bike has crash bars and therefore no further damages.. just a scratched exhaust. sadly.
bad luck felipe... at least bikes can be repaired more easily than we humans. :)
Thanks a ton !👍
One of my riding buddies did a mud race in a cr85. So every time you see some mud, say a little prayer to Jason, because he sacrificed himself for our sins.
Awesome stuff! I am currently riding on a 1 and a half year old trials tyre, some some situations lately have been getting a bit tricky!
JoeJoe Moto i'm still keen to have a crack at a rear trials tyre soon, we'll have to swap notes :-D
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Yeah for sure.
In loose big gravel I let the bike do it a thing as you instructed, but I find In mud, traction is consistently so limited, I have to steer the bike, but let the rear end loose... maybe because I'm not being smooth enough on the throttle
I practice balancing. So, I generally ride through water puddles slow. Sitting with feet on the pegs. Almost never have to take my feet off. I watch my friend stick his feet out both sides. So, as not to get them wet. I almost think his plan is better. If bike should fall under him. His feet are already in place.....Lol
One leg out to balance is ok but both legs out raises center of gravity by pivoting at the seat! More likely to tip over & no rear brake control. Figured this out myself on bigger bikes.
According to Bernie Schrieber'r book (circa 1982), when riding in mud you should pull up on the handlebars. Hard! Hard enough to make an ugly face. Pulling up on the bars puts more pressure on the pegs, thus weighting the rear end, giving the rider more traction. Bernie Schrieber (U.S.) was World Trials Champion in 1980. Even though his book is now 34 years old, everything in it still applies. Ha! I can read the book a lot better than I can ride my Trials bike. I suck at riding in mud, we don't ever have any in Southern California. Great vids, by the way! Thanks.
+Clyde Butler interesting clyde, i figure that must be for a short bit of mud...
I disagree in one point. I always position my body up front to weighten the front tire for more traction. Rear end is free to move around.
But I'm no single track rider. My experience comes from the dirt roads I commute on. On the rest I totally agree.
hi there again! love this video. just went riding today. so thinking of something we talked about earlier. instead of cooking spray or silicon spray. how about you try some Rust-Oleum NeverWet spray!!!! I was talking to my father in law about how sweet it would be under the fenders and around the bike to inhibit mud sticking.
+bdaddy23 that's a good point, there are lots of threads about anti-stick stuff so could be worth a vid of its own bdaddy....
From my gumby experience on the mx track when it's properly muddy, i get better grip so i don't slide sideways when im in a lower gear and between low to mid rpm. Higher gear and slipping the clutch is very unstable and the bike just wants to slide sideways.
About to take the GS out in the mud back in the UK, so let's hope these work!
a GS in mud, you are a brave man lol. i just took the DR650 out on a muddy dirt ride as the beta was in for a service, that was pretty scary...
Just got back. I crashed it an broke it a bit :(
It would have been good if I saw this beforehand I went riding in the rain and water up to my hip so I went for a mud bath
Here in NE Ohio, absolutely terrifying in wet clay. I suck so bad at it
Same here, Josh. It's amazing to watch the UK guys in enduros like the Tough One... crazy fast in the mud and clay, it just doesn't slow them down.
Do you guys ever run a rekluse? Don't ever remember you mentioning one.
some of us used to but we'd much rather learn proper clutch control nowadays, frank
I just had the front wheel turn left when I was in a muddy rut slippery desert mud. I instinctively put my left foot down, and it just slipped out as I was still moving forward. My leg bent sideways outward at the knee, and I can absolutely not believe I didn't break my knee. I am in the recliner now, in tremendous pain, and afraid to ride again. I actually did it twice. I kept going and did the exact same crash 5 minutes later, even worse. Heard my leg pop. I can't seem to avoid the instinct to put my foot down, and it has seriously messed me up.
Ouch. If you heard a pop then chances are you've done the ACL or some other ligament. 😢 Was this despite wearing knee braces? They usually reduce the chances to a fair extent. Maybe see if you can get a rebate on some for your recovery then use them for dirt riding? The CTi braces are usually claimable.
I have a question about the tyre pressures. Im pretty sure the weight of the bike and the rider matters. You recommended 6-8 psi, and I think the bikes you ride weigh around 220 pounds or something. I have a Honda nx 650 that weighs 340 pounds or so, so I think the tyre pressure could be a bit higher than yours, because the tyre print is already wider due to the heavier weight. Don't take it wrong though, I don't ride in places like you with a Dominator 650... It's just a simple question of does the bike weight matter or not, when setting the tyre pressure :) Nice video though, keep it up
definitely want more air for a big 650 but how much would still depend on a range of factors.... type of riding, rider weight, how heavy duty your tubes are etc.
Yeah I see. So definitely higher pressure. Thanks for the quick and clear response!
Yeah that's a good trick, thank you :)
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Watching this because of a fail today on my V-Strom. Coated in mud, with damage to a hard case and the rear break which somehow buried itself. Was caught by surprise and had touring tires on that just could not deal with it.
IanCaine4728 :-( hope it's not too expensive to fix
Learned most of this stuff myself from riding but great video anyways :D
John Smith yeah it's mostly commonsense hey? putting the bike in gear with the engine off to use the clutch as a rear brake down really steep slippery hills and walking the bike was about the only new info i picked up in the past year for this vid.
The last tipp was good: Silicon spray! Good idea, because i hate washing my bike.
Got to 4:03 then realised shit I still don’t have my back break fixed 😂
The disclaimers are always the best...! If I have an overnight change in gender orientation....! Classic!
The one thing I don't need help learning. Come to washington state, we've got plenty of mud to practice in!
I was told to use the throtle to pass mud an when I did it it was a miricle. The bike goes on rails if you open the throtle in mud.
good tips. good video s.
ohhh the gorge at 3:05 I've killed a bike there in the middle of summer and dislocated my knee multiple times one day there in the mud but I still ride it every time we go out just about
U guys r riding in mud 20 mph faster than me. Impressive!
You are supposed to go fast through mud and slippery terrain
Really?
+Albert Tran I tried that last week didnt work for me XD
+StlClanHD | Road to 1 subscribers Rode in mud last weekend and fell in it. Went around it next time and had no problem. Still not good at mud.
Albert Tran I can ride in mud no problem just depends how the track is first
Loved the video!
Would the same advices apply to a much heavier bike (an adventure bike or - better - a scrambler)?
A good question, I think it's largely unchanged. I have ridden the DR650 on some of our muddy tracks using the same techniques. Not sure if it would change for heavier bikes...
@@crosstrainingenduro I've watched videos tailored to adventure riding since: they tend to advise to shift weight to the *front*
Interesting... on dirt bikes that is usually only for hard acceleration or very steep climbs. 🤔
@@crosstrainingenduro Riding is like black magic, no one really knows what to do 😅
Love It 😍
Great tips, but I think you missed the most important one...
Grip the bike with your knees and give steering input with your legs... I can understand why you left it out if you know about this, because to explain it, it sounds contradictory to you saying "let the bike do what it wants".
+Subaru Blue a good point, although we left that out due to the variety of opinions about this. guys with a trials background will often not grip the bike with their boots in those situations, whereas mx or pure enduro background guys will. personally i suspect it could vary depending on the speed involved? i'd be keen to ask our coach chris birch next time he flies over as i'll probably update those earlier vids at some point.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES When I am riding slow, I sit down and use my feet as pivit points to keep the bike upright... (Being careful not to place my foot in a dangerous position)
When I am riding faster, I let the front end kinda do what it wants to a certain extent and I control the bike with my legs... If I am going to plow over some ruts or rocks I will make sure my handle bars stay true but I will not man handle them and put my weight on them. I want that front end to float, so I keep all my weight on my pegs and back seat.
The reason I steer with my legs is that the bike will turn when leaned. But if I use my handle bars, the bikes front end will not turn as fast as it should and it washes out kinda the same way as braking... But the direction it washes out can be uncontrollable and scary... Also grabbing the bike with my knees and steering with my legs and stomach has many advantages in other terrain as well... Especially when you are in the air you have SO MUCH MORE CONTROL!
I just got back from riding mud, snow, and slush today: and I have to say when I tried steering with my arms and the handle bar instead of my feet and pegs: I had to go far far slower in order to be in control. it was almost immediately apparent to me that handle bar input to control the bike was not the fastest way...
(I did a little experiment just to make sure I wasn't full of kangaroo dung)
Take note: I am not trying to say you let go of the handle bars entirely, but it's like sledding (if you have ever been), you don't control the snow sled with your arms, but it does help to have them on the sled....
any update on it? :)
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Come for the mud training, stay for the relationship tips
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Do this with street tyres
i need more practice in the mud i keep on falling in motorcycle.as now rainy day in philippines
+kim ryan emasyadong maraming ulan sa pilipinas? pumunta ako sa manila noong 1986, maraming ulan para sa isang buwan! sorry about the bad tagalog, it was years ago i learned a bit lol.
it works
I have carried 100 kg of fish on those terrain, it's solid mud.
Try silt
I have a swamp on my property😭 trying to ride ive sunk as deep as my crank case bleeder and killed it so i could pull it out
In my area the clay content is high. Our type of mud packs on tyres.. . All type... badly. I simply fall-crash forever. My rhoughts after many falls are that it not practical to ride thick muddy roads. What is your advice to me? Did I develop mental fear?
Hard to say. But I must admit after shattering my lower leg in muddy ruts I don't try to ride them fast anymore. Fear is good sometimes lol.
What is the double headlight the white bike has please?
Why not do all said except, why not sit to the rear and sustain momentum, with legs ready for paddle walking or dabbing??
Are geese loose ? 🤔 Asking for a friend.
Has anyone tried a snatch strap when a bike pulls another bike out of the mud? I'm thinking the bike doing the recovery could be snatched backwards instead of the bike being towed being snatched forward. Has anyone tried the snatch?
I hear the East Canadian Fornicating Goose is exceptionally loose, Martin. I'm not sure on the snatch, it's so dry here we've never had a bike stuck in the mud...
I'd suggest reducing the motor sounds while you talk, it makes it sometimes hard to understand ^^
Thanks for those great tips ^^
I reduce the engine sounds by 50% for the narration, Julien. This works perfectly on a good sound system, but it may not be enough if watching the vids on your phone or with a tinny sound system. All the videos have subtitles now for those situations.
@@crosstrainingenduro It was mostly at the beginning of the video that I had issues. Watching it on the speakers of a new macbook, thats probably not the issue. English not my first language, so I'm probably the issue then. woups!
Je pense que l'anglais est le problème. C'est une langue de fou !
@@crosstrainingenduro 😂
I'm riding a classic bike with semi tires. Anny tips for riding through mud with a non dirt bike?
no this is an enduro channel niels, so all the tips are centred around dirt bikes
@@crosstrainingenduro OK just asking. I'm just afraid to go off road even though I belong there. Anny tips on how to stop fearing Enduro?
search our videos, niels. if there's answer you'll find it there e.g. we have a video about riding with confidence.
I have a question. I ride a 250f motocross bike, is cluching in for traction/power any use? Because when I try it it feels pointless and its like im better of not doing it, mabye im just doing it wrong...
depends on the sort of terrain you are riding and a dozen other factors too....
As an owner of a kx 250f I would say yes but you need to grab another gear before slipping it and higher revs and dumping when it’s real rough
What kind of power bike is good for rough terrains
Impossible to say, Paul. There are so many variables for any rider...
any tips on endurocross in rain? mainly logs, thx.
+199mrtarzan not sure, i tried to do an endurocross track that was wet a month ago, man it was dangerous! i figure it's just every traction control tip you can think of?
Hey guys, been following your tutorials for about 6 months now and just entered my first hare scramble this past Saturday, man am I beat! I finished 7th out of 10 so I consider this good for a first timer, but the thing that really kept my speed down was how close the branches were to my bars. I use bark busters, I am just worried about hitting them, every time my pace got faster, I usually hit a branch. Any tips at how to deal with this problem? thanks!
199mrtarzan well done, pacing yourself in races is hard hey? i have heard of some guys trimming their bar ends down a bit. also if you run hand guards instead of bark busters you'll drop a few mm in width. usually though i just stand on the pegs and move the bike from side to side, unless of course there's a tree either side at the same time.
for low traction training, I like to ride my yamaha vino 125 scooter (with slick street tires) in my alfalfa field after rains or frost... almost zero traction and if you slow down the wheels cake up with mud and glue themselves to the fenders, so there's no pussy footing around...
I'm not even joking.
lol it's all good practice!
Where do u guys ride like what state
and why is he a dumbass for not knowing where they ride??
lol i asked what state lol
@tollermother
tollermother ^^
They said QLD and a little bit in NSW
Here ya go, Andrew: www.sydney-australia.biz/maps/australia/graphics/australia-states-map.png
If Ur riding in mud sit back on Ur seat and REEEEEVV IT UP
Show the mud wrestling men
😂
My goal is to get all muddy 😞
Baby oil is this best stuff for keeping mud off
haggis240 cool. but is this for riding dirt bike or, er, other activities? :-)
What light do you have on the white bike please?
no idea, this was filmed a few years ago and haven't seen that guy for ages
That's cool just wondered if it was a common thing, can't find one in the UK :(
Come to the Pacific Northwest. We'll teach you everything you need to know mud....and river rock.... and slippery tree roots... and banana slugs... *big* squishy banana slugs. See, we don't really know what dust is. Might have to get one of you Aussies to send us a sample. ;)
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This isn't my video or my group but it shows Tahuya (in Belfair, Washington) on one of its drier days. This is one of the many wider quad trails but it'll give you an idea of how much river rock and water we have. (There are also lots of tight single track and 4wd trails out there, too.)
Mark - those are sweet looking tracks mark! we've got some areas like that but they spend so much of the year dry and dusty. :-(
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Yeah, it's not too bad. I think it's got somewhere around 120 miles or so of trails. The single track stuff there can get a little gnarly, and is where I head if I'm in the technical mood, but usually reserve Tahuya when I'm in the need for speed. ;) (I've got enough technical stuff nearer the house and Tahuya's an hour and a half away.)
Good tips, mud sucks.
I'm no fan of it after breaking my leg in muddy ruts, David. Nowadays I just look for the way around it.
Ok dad
come back to B.C
already am :)
GOOD TIP! dont mud with a dirt bike.
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