Peter is very intellectually open and accessible to the people. It's a really refreshing change of pace from the elitist attitudes I normally encounter from my fellow leftists.
I know this is an old comment but I just found this channel, I love seeing someone address the ACTUAL issue with "woke" content (that it's been handled BADLY) and not just rail against its existence or pretend that it's not at least PART of the problem. Im so used to people front loading their opinions that I WAS getting irritated because I assumed where he was going but was wrong! He manages to effectively "both sides" a heated topic and make absolute sense.
I like that most of your twitter ramblings become scripts for the channel. I need to learn to be that productive instead of just, well, rambling on twitter pointlessly as I usually do
06:10 Here's a fluff for your conspiracy bone: You're right! Writers Rooms actually do use checklists of elements that must be included. Try doing creative teamwork without them, snarkmaster. But yeah, it's a factory line, not an art... French-fried entertainment and the top chefs are leaving in disgust.
Haven't seen any of your stuff since that ad analysing series however long that was ago, good to see you're still on the straight and narrow. That laser focus on how the whole franchise is now one big advert for itself rather than an attempt to tell a story or stories could never have escaped your notice. There's so much wasted talent in Late Star Wars, among other franchises. The actors have always been phenomenal but the hands they've been dealt have been getting worse and worse. And of course the small minded want to blame the actors and directors, and not the company. Heaven forbid they see themselves and not the copyright owner as the arbiter of what is and is not canon, among other things
I think Star Wars basically has the same problems as Harry Potter, minus the JKR stuff, these universes are beguiling to youngsters but the moment you try to expand the premise you start running into trouble , these are not universes created by great and thoughtful sci fi writers, they are people who had a neat idea, the more we play with it the more it falls apart.
Exactly. Tolkien and Martin are great at filling out details. But Rowling and Lucas are big idea people. The moment they start focusing on details their fantasy worlds fall apart. Like rowling insinuating wizards at hogwarts just poop on the floor or that lucas has fire and sound in space.
Much of the issue I see with Star Wars is that it relies too much on it's own tropes and the larger narrative is no longer central on one 'big bad' vs the force. However, there's an extensive lore backlog that has little to no exploration. For a franchise like this, why not go wild. Make dark comedies about the people of Naboo; a Rom com about ewoks; the stories don't have to be limited to the aspiring action epics of the empires and their conquests. Build the world, stop manufacturing the endless pipeline of baseless content
Disney star wars started out behind the 8-ball for me, I happened to be one of those weirdos who adored the SW expanded universe, with the Old Republic era being by far my favorite - finding it immense more interesting than the Clone Wars era, Empire vs Rebel era of the original trilogy, and especially the era that the sequel trilogy takes place it. I also loved Darth Krayt and the One Sith empire that takes place a good amount of time after the original trilogy. So, when Disney came him and "de-canonized" the entire EU - I was effin furious. I had always hoped for a film revolving around Darth Revan, the Sith Empire vs Republic wars, or the Mandalorian Wars, but all that shit was thrown in the waste bin. Instead they decided to make a sequel trilogy that was nothing more than a redo of the original one. They bring back the empire, renamed it the "First Order," the rebels renamed "Resistance," Darth Vader renamed "Kylo Ren, and Luke renamed "Rey". Too this day I have no clue why so many fellow Star Wars fans actually loved "The Force Awakens," and that it wasn't until "The Last Jedi" that made them revolt. TFA was as close to a remake of a film, while not being one - that I've ever seen, it was just a beat for beat rip-off of "A New Hope." That all being said, Disney Stars has done some surprisingly brilliant work that have become in fact my favorite live-action star wars content ever made, which is mind-blowing cuz everything else has been hot-garbage: Im talking about "Rogue One," the first 2 seasons of "The Mandalorian," and "Andor." I think i like them so much because they actually feel like unique and interesting stories and characters, plus it's prolly no accident that these installments have the least to do with the the original trilogy or the sequel trilogy. So for that i gotta give them credit, however these shows and film demonstrate that Disney Star Wars is actually capable of making some great additions to the Star Wars universe which then makes all the other garbage they've put out even more frustratingly unacceptable.
I agree completely. I liked the books, including the Old Republic. They did so much work to make the Jedi super interesting, it was better than the Marvel universe I think, because it felt less haphazard. So, they really dropped the ball on the content creation front. But the greatest strength of Star Wars was that it included an actual moral conflict of good vs evil. So the Sith vs Jedi which keeps the Jedi as good and the Sith as evil, would have had much larger potential to maintain people's interest over time.
To be fair, she's just another soulless corporate executive who only care about their millions in bonuses rather than quality or tantrums online by 'the real fans'
Not including the 3 original heroes in a single scene was gross incompetence.. easily one of the biggest wasted opportunities in cinematic history! Then there were 3 different directors that actively worked against each other to create a "trilogy". It's shocking that Dizney executives remain employed just from those terrible decisions alone.. and that's not even counting the dumpster fire which are the D+ shows
The thing I think of when i hear "Last Jedi" is ages like milk. Sure the movie is entertaining enough on its own, but once you realize it is part of a greater series, it breaks oh so many more things, like the hyperspace ram. Then there is the fact that Ryan Johnson has stated several times that he basically didn't care that it was part of this greater series this was HIS movie, so it was going to be made HIS way. Not to mention his effort to be subversive, he comes across as malign towards said characters- Poe was right in his rebellion against Leah's replacement, you don't be so tight lipped about such things to your replacement under such circumstances without being suspicious. Likewise Finn was manhandled to heck and back. Finally, if you are going to turn Luke into his antithesis (Jake), you basically need a whole movie to set it up, not some half done flashbacks. Next, Ryan is not as subversive as he thinks he is- The plot structure is basically empire in reverse, and he doesn't take any real risks. Imagine if he killed Finn at the end instead of rose saving him- there would be an actual sense of loss there to hang on to. Finally, Last Jedi seems to go out of its way to cut off plot hooks set up by the previous movie wherever it can- Rey's parentage is irrelevant, Luke is dead, and Princess Leah's actor is dead, Snoke is a farce... the only thing still around is Ben Skywalker/Kylo Ren. And now you can see how "Rise of Skywalker" went off the rails. As for any political commentary from the "The Last Jedi", I think of them more as a wink and nod, or mere unintended coincidence than the actually well thought out, but maybe not so well executed stuff of the prequels.
So Han can't shoot a scoundrel bounty hunter first in self preservation, but the Twins in the acolyte can both get away with cold blooded murder of jedi peacekeepers in revenge? Gee, I wonder why that is?
1. Men love watching well-written female protagonists. Look at Sigourney Weaver in "Alien" & "Aliens". I don't know a single man that doesn't ADORE those movies and that character. 2. "Andor" is the best Star Wars that's EVER been made. WATCH IT. Andor is powerfully written, acted, and directed. It is smart and political, but in a timeless way. And even better, it gets beyond politics to touch on what it means to be human. If you've been disappointed by Star Wars, just watch it. If you don't like one character, keep watching, they get more interesting. JUST DO IT!!!
4:55 - We see the aquisition price and the total gross but where are the other expenditures like production, marketing, etc? To my knowledge, Disney have been losing more money than they have made back in profits.
@@kennethknoppik5408 Greedo was portrayed in 1977 by Paul Blake, as well as Maria De Aragon for some close-in pickup shots in 1977. Maria de Aragon died on June 2. As I understand it, Paul Blake was the original actor but George Lucas wasn't satisfied with what they had filmed, so Maria De Aragon used the costume for some re-shoots.
Part of the magic of the original Star Wars lay in the creative power that ILM used to get the awe-inspiring visuals they got in the first two/three movies. Once you reduce that to an LED screen and CGI, that uniqueness is gone, and it's just product.
Disney really shot themselves in the foot by not being upfront at the start and telling people look we are not really interested in continuing the story we want to re write it. All of disney star wars is basically a horrible mismatch where there trying to re write the entire series while trying to pretend there not and it's actually a continuing saga.. while adding tons of PC crap to it. It's entirely there own fault for being dishonest and trying to have it both ways.
Someone recently made a comment to me about how the Star Wars media was becoming too progressive, he said something to the effect of connecting to real life problems and removing the escapism of fantasy/sci-fi. I agreed that shoe horning US human issues directly into an interstellar fictional universe was silly. As with other "woke media" it's not the messaging that's the issue, it's the low quality packaging
I think Disney has produced good Star Wars content: - I liked The Force Awakens when it came out. I don't like it that much now but I can still enjoy it as an entertaining movie. - The Last Jedi has to me the best acting and photography of any Star Wars movie, and tries to say something through the franchise instead of just being a money generator for a company. - Rogue One presents a new perspective on the Rebellion, not from the point of view of the larger than life heroes, but from the point of view of the more expendable soldiers. - Rebels was a good animated series that had a rough start, like The Clone Wars, but ended up presenting an endearing cast of characters. - The seventh season of The Clone Wars had its problems but concluded the series with one of its best arcs ever. Everyone should watch the last four episodes of The Clone Wars. - The Mandalorian has been a pretty good series. I think the first season was excellent. The second season was pretty good but I got tired with the inclusion of tons of legacy characters. The third season had some bad episodes but in general I liked it. It would be better if you didn't have to watch half of the Book of Boba Fett to understand the story between seasons 2 and 3. - Andor was the series that nobody expected or really wanted and ended up being the best written Star Wars anything. - Half of Tales of the Jedi was pretty good, when it focused on Dooku's fall. I agree that corporate meddling is the reason so many of the projects are mediocre (Ahsoka, Obi Wan Kenobi, The Bad Batch, Solo, Tales of the Empire), bad (Resistance, The Book of Boba Fett) or just a disaster (Rise of Skywalker). However, what people doesn't acknowledge is that Star Wars always had bad content, be it comics, novels or TV series. Nowadays it's just more obvious because a big corporation controls the entire output and they have the platform to stream all this content to millions of viewers who maybe missed the original extended universe because access was harder. I don't think Star Wars is beyond saving, but I don't have hope that Disney's output will start being overwhelmingly good for a while. But we can always enjoy the good parts and just ignore the bad ones. We spent a decade thinking Revenge of the Sith would be the last Star Wars movie. You can spend another decade pretending it is. And I don't think that another person would be much better than Kathleen Kennedy. The problem is not the head of Lucasfilm, is Disney.
At this point, they may as well "reboot" in a few years and simply tell writers to take the original extended universe books, and convert them to movie scripts. No corporate agenda, just hire good writers to punch-up the best of the old books and make them relevant for today. Develop a second female lead role for the Corellian Trilogy and you have a movie trilogy, complete with a space station bigger than the Death Star! You have "The Human League" playing a role of America First, but with literal xenophobia. I never read all the books, only maybe 10 or 12, but the main story art of Luke, Leia, and Han was a lot better. A good writers room could pull at least several trilogies and a few one-off movies out of those books.
@@Nphen so, who's going to produce all these stories without a corporate agenda? That's not realistic at all given that Disney still owns Lucasfilm. And having new episodes VII - IX means we wouldn't have Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams because they'd be either too old or dead. They'd have to be animated or made entirely with those CGI abominations like Tarkin in Rogue One.
1.) Disney 'Star Wars' team claims that the Sci-Fi genre is patriarchal; and that their progressive storylines are aren't just groundbreaking, they're so innovative that they're actually saving lives. 2.) Disney 'Star Wars' team desperately pretends that 'Dune' hasn't existed since the 1960's and was always full of strong female characters. 3.) Disney 'Star Wars' team is being sued by an actress who played a strong female character that was literally named "Dune."
One issue keep missing is niether Disney nor Lucasfilm made money with Star Wars. Not even close. With every venue in Star Wars ha been a loss and still havent gotten to the 4.2 billion they bought the company for.
I really am glad andor is a thing. I agree a lot with this video but I think we should praise what is working so we get more of that. Id like more of what andor did correctly. which was just good writing performances and sets. i wonder what the climate will be like when andor season 2 comes out. Sometimes i feel like many creators ignore it or try to hard to hate on it. despite it being the single good disney plus show including marvel as well! Making fun of the sequels or acolyte is very fun and even addictive. but when someone hates on andor or just pretends it doesnt exist when critiquing disney star wars it just feels.... off
Lucasfilm brings in directors, writers, and actors who are on board with KK and her agenda. It's an added bonus that many of them lack the experience to command a higher salary.
I actually do think that The Last Jedi had something to say (if we ignore The Rise of Skywalker). In regards to Luke Skywalker, I believe TLJ was trying to say "Your heroes are fallible humans just like you and they make mistakes. That doesn't mean they still can't make a positive change in the world and redeem themselves in some way". Maybe some people thought that message wasn't delivered well because of how Luke was portrayed but that seems to be what they were trying to do. The other message is that, in regards to Rey, anyone can be a hero, not just someone that comes from an important family or lineage of some kind. You can be born to "nobodies" and still do great things. Again, you may not like how they executed it (it of course got reconned out in RoS), but at least it was trying to say something. What the hell was RoS trying to say? I don't know other than "sorry TLJ did things you didn't like, here is a fanfic movie".
Besides, people hate that Luke was a broken, bitter old man, not realizing that's the only portrayal of Luke that wouldn't betray his character. There were 4 options: - Luke was on Ahch-to searching for some way to defeat the First Order: hard to justify in that small planet, and focusing on destroying the First Order instead of helping the people who are fighting is consistently presented as the bad option in every Star Wars media. - Luke was afraid of the First Order's power: this leaves him as a coward. Leia is as old as him and she is not a powerful jedi, but she still fights the way she can. - Luke was powerless to stop the First Order: again, this betrays his character the same. Luke always fought against impossible odds so he wouldn't abandon his friends now. - Luke thought that hiding himself was the best for everyone: this is the option that Rian Johnson chose. You may not like it, but that's the only way of keeping Luke as a hero given that Jar Jar Abrams didn't explain at all what Luke was doing in exile. The only way in which Luke would refuse his duty as a jedi to fight against tyranny is if he is convinced that the jedi do more harm than good in the long run (which he isn't totally wrong, tbh). But if you pay attention to the movie, this isn't the final message, it's the lie Luke believes that he has to overcome in the end.
@@ultrademigod that was not an option for TLJ, Abrams had already put Luke there, Johnson just had to find the justification for it. We don't really know what Abrams intended to do with Luke, but I doubt it would have been better than what we have.
@@AgusSkywalker All we saw at the end of TFA was an island though. It could have been off the coast of a larger land mass, with a new major settlement nearby, perhaps with a first order base. I've already come up with something better than what we were given, and it took me a few minutes to type. These films are an exercise in how not to make films, from top to bottom.
@@ultrademigod And what was Luke doing there? keeping an eye on the First Order? and Kylo spends the whole movie looking for this unknown planet that happens to be one of their bases? I don't think your idea is as thought out as you think.
I think assembly line culture is a reason some people dislike AI. You take out the editorial process and AI can funnel out crap like no other, which in turn also pisses off the traditional folk crap funnelers, like the Hollywood writer's rooms and deviantartists.
The problem started from the beginning by making things a reset to ANH status in the universe. Abrams is such a hack he wanted to get things back to rebels vs the empire because that’s Star Wars baby! All the directions they could have gone in in this vast galaxy and he opts for a retread. It should have been that Leia (or Mon Mothma) was head of the NR, Han head of the NR military and Luke of a flourishing new Jedi order. The threat could have been some new race from the unknown regions that the NR has to deal with. Hell it could have been made interesting or should I say subvert expectations by having the NR have to work with the Imperial Remnant grudgingly because it is one that could destroy both. The first trilogy should have focused on the legacy characters and introduced dynamic new ones that would take over in the following trilogy. Instead it was the biggest wasted opportunity in franchise film making history all due to incompetence and soulless corporate product mentality over art.
I think they they missed name that they called it the the rise of Skywalker shouldn't be the rise of palpatine? I'm guessing that the ray movie is going to be her falling in love with Sabine wren they have a love child together through the will of the force and scissoring they well obviously have a daughter, and from the moment she is born she becomes a force God to utterly destroy the past where all of history has been erased and there is only Disney Star wars, Disney well lock away all movies into their faults for all time never to be seen again except for all of those annoying fans that have VHS tapes DVDs and blu-rays of the films that Kathleen Kennedy utterly despise
Luckily the choice to not watch it was easy enough so i still haven't seen the last 3 movies. Never cared about the identity politics coming from the left or right concerning the movies. Always saw Star Wars as a franchise for teens to young adults. I did watch Andor cause it does not treat me like a child.
So why do they want their movies to fail on purpose? I mean they have the option of paying a competent multi Blockbuster achieving directors will not give them one phone call are they going to ask for something like reasonable like 15 million to direct it f*** that! call up some nobody give me the kid that just graduated film school and has three student films
12:28 "You need to make ME, President of LucasFilms" #KathleenKennedy [probably] said... "I, will capture, the #FeministDollar: I, a woman, will make you, George, filthy rich!"... #Feminism #SexSells #LucasFilms
Kathleen Kennedy could have easily fixed Star Wars and no I don't mean by making the most of protagonists white dudes, or even eliminating all virtue signalling but simply by making easy to follow stories filled with likable characters that get into exciting and memorable situations within the fantastical sandbox that is Star Wars. She didn't have to stay 100% married to the past but she needed to respect it and low and behold the handful of Star Wars projects made under her reign that did that were the most successful and well received. The lesson should have been learned with TLJ but KK just keeps blowing it again and again.
Wait people liked Last Jedi and Rogue One? They both seemed like more boring nostalgia-fests. I was kind of ok with the first of the sequels because it's a mostly competent action adventure movie, but even then it felt like I was just getting a brand regurgitated at me.
Do you guys remember when Destiny destroyied Petter so badly that after 45 minutes he couldn't think anymore and had to make and excuse to leave? Lol Good times
The message SHOULD BE PART of the basic storyline. The problem is that none of the people working on these movies understand that; they do not understand that the story and the message are one thing. They believe them to be two things, and that the message needs to be delivered to the audience, rather than the fact that writing a story about something that matters does it automatically. That is how it "distracts," it's because they are treating it like the thing they care about isn't literally automatically inside the thing they are writing. It completely is. If they focus on making something good that feels right, they will make every point they intended to.
I still don't get the hate. I liked Acolyte. I'm not a Star Wars fan but it got me interested. I left a positive review and made the mistake of having open comments and I got threats from people who talk like lightsabers are real, Darth Vader is their dad and Luke saved them from a burning building. I think some Star Wars fans need to grow up.
Stop defending the last jedi, it was an undisciplined film and just an excuse for the director to experiment with "subversion". It is absolutely killed momentum for the rise of skywalker for the genral audience...... uaing RT scores to judge audience reception of the film is shallow AF ...
Having different taste than you literally doesn't matter. Leave the fandom "put demand out so they supply it for me" paradigm, it will produce better mental health.
It really wasn't. That is the problem with fandom and cultivated identity: you act like things are an attack because you think this is about you. It's not.
@@tokinsloff312no, it's the standard trick that the cultural right plays: obtusely, intentionally misreading a challenge to one thing expressed that they like as an attack upon everything they like and are. That way, they can play victim and justify expressing their other, more sociopathic tendencies.
How can Kathleen call Star Wars fans bigots? When none of them are saying a word against homosexuality. Nor have Star Wars fans committed acts if violence against any Disney employees like real bigots would.
At this point, I don't even bother with female protagonists. If it's not made for ME, then they don't deserve my money. The Star Wars movies made in the 1970s were made to appeal to MEN.
Umm, Leia was a female protagonist. Princess Leia: I am a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan... Darth Vader: You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!
If you paid attention to my AI critique, you'd see that's pretty much my criticism of AI. In my Plato doc and subsequent videos, I compare the straight output of AI to bland pop music; an aggregate of what becomes most prominent. AI, like all automation, is a creative tool and creates good things when used as such. However, in capitalism, we see the same problems as any other automation. The problem isn't AI; in fact the better people understand it the less it will be an "assembly line." AI fundamentally can not have perspective and that's why straight AI output is uncanny. Ultimately, the problem is property and class. But it sounds like you're more interested in whether AI is "good" or "bad."
@@Peter hey I really appreciate you taking the time for the reply. I've been watching you for years now. But honestly I often don't agree with you. You seem so smart that you tend to over complicate some things that might be quite simple from a bird's eye view. I think AI might be the answer to a lot of the world's problems, but when it comes to art I don't think there is any getting around it having a cheapening effect. I think there is a big difference between using Photoshop to help you produce some art and just prompting an AI to make you something. If AI art existed in any system of government it would still be used by lazy people who just don't want to make any effort to have a piece of art at their convenience. I think this will devalue the artists who took take to master their craft, even if we live in a system where money didn't exist.
So, I have incorporated AI into the process when I make videos, particularly the docs, for the last couple of years. Firstly, in organizing my thoughts. I spew out my ADHD nonsense and ask it to sort it into something legible in a bullet point format. Then, I have a conversation with the AI about order, structure, etc. Once the outline is about 90% of what I want, I take it, put it into a Word doc, and edit it. Usually, I do a ton of revision before writing, which is more than necessary. Then I write. As I write, I take what I write and have AI grammar check, and I also ask it what point it thinks I am trying to make. What I am writing is fundamentally my thoughts but is tool-assisted to be clear and make as much sense as possible. It will offer suggestions, but rarely do I believe it makes sense to straightforwardly use those suggestions. If I want to incorporate it, I think trying to write my version of the suggestion is necessary to retain my voice. The same goes for visual art. I will not, at any point, have the money to hire a writing staff or a digital art team. I can do most of this process on my own because I can now go from thought to rough draft (or even pre-viz in a lot of cases) faster, and in truth, sometimes, in visual art, the uncanny weirdness is the best/funniest possible result. It depends. I try to make things look as good as possible, but I also have some Tim & Eric sensibilities mixed in with that. Everything is a remix!
@@Peter I understand all the reasoning for why people like you use this stuff. But it's all in a effort to streamline the output of content. It's assembly line culture. And it's a unhealthy focus on perfection. Why can't your grammer be rambling and kinda bad? Why do you need fancy AI generated thumbnails? It's all so your content can compete with everyone else's. You're contributing to the speeding up of the content treadmill. And you could probably afford to hire people do a lot of that stuff. It just might mean eating beans and canceling some subscriptions, but it would be possible if you really really cared enough. I'm not judging you for not taking that path, but it is possible.
Politics can be interesting and even exciting, when it's done well. Innumerable movies outside Star Wars are evidence of that. Within the Star Wars universe, "Andor" does it right.
To anyone mad at something Peter Coffin has to say... Let him cook. He will come around and get to your point. If not just ask him!
Peter is very intellectually open and accessible to the people. It's a really refreshing change of pace from the elitist attitudes I normally encounter from my fellow leftists.
I appreciate that from you both 🙏
I just want Andor Season 2. And then no more damn Star Wars.
@@dylanrhymerthecomedian8023 Andor is THA BOOOOOMB!!
I know this is an old comment but I just found this channel, I love seeing someone address the ACTUAL issue with "woke" content (that it's been handled BADLY) and not just rail against its existence or pretend that it's not at least PART of the problem. Im so used to people front loading their opinions that I WAS getting irritated because I assumed where he was going but was wrong! He manages to effectively "both sides" a heated topic and make absolute sense.
I like that most of your twitter ramblings become scripts for the channel. I need to learn to be that productive instead of just, well, rambling on twitter pointlessly as I usually do
Thank you! I did spend a bunch of time on this.
06:10 Here's a fluff for your conspiracy bone: You're right! Writers Rooms actually do use checklists of elements that must be included. Try doing creative teamwork without them, snarkmaster. But yeah, it's a factory line, not an art... French-fried entertainment and the top chefs are leaving in disgust.
Haven't seen any of your stuff since that ad analysing series however long that was ago, good to see you're still on the straight and narrow. That laser focus on how the whole franchise is now one big advert for itself rather than an attempt to tell a story or stories could never have escaped your notice.
There's so much wasted talent in Late Star Wars, among other franchises. The actors have always been phenomenal but the hands they've been dealt have been getting worse and worse.
And of course the small minded want to blame the actors and directors, and not the company. Heaven forbid they see themselves and not the copyright owner as the arbiter of what is and is not canon, among other things
Thank you! The company curates a situation where blaming the actors/directors/creatives is what makes sense! They are crafty.
"The real reason Star Wars Sucks Ass Now" vs The Rampant Decline of Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars 😫(Which Title do you like more and why?)
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I assume any title with "Ass" in it will skew the algorithm and potentially depress viewership. Unless it does the opposite?
I think Star Wars basically has the same problems as Harry Potter, minus the JKR stuff, these universes are beguiling to youngsters but the moment you try to expand the premise you start running into trouble , these are not universes created by great and thoughtful sci fi writers, they are people who had a neat idea, the more we play with it the more it falls apart.
Exactly. Tolkien and Martin are great at filling out details. But Rowling and Lucas are big idea people. The moment they start focusing on details their fantasy worlds fall apart. Like rowling insinuating wizards at hogwarts just poop on the floor or that lucas has fire and sound in space.
Rogue One and Andor are the only post-Disney installments I care for.
Word! I like the one-shot animation series, too. But basically, that's it.
"The Bad Batch" was decent and had a really nice ending.
I agree that are good movies.
Much of the issue I see with Star Wars is that it relies too much on it's own tropes and the larger narrative is no longer central on one 'big bad' vs the force. However, there's an extensive lore backlog that has little to no exploration. For a franchise like this, why not go wild. Make dark comedies about the people of Naboo; a Rom com about ewoks; the stories don't have to be limited to the aspiring action epics of the empires and their conquests. Build the world, stop manufacturing the endless pipeline of baseless content
Disney star wars started out behind the 8-ball for me, I happened to be one of those weirdos who adored the SW expanded universe, with the Old Republic era being by far my favorite - finding it immense more interesting than the Clone Wars era, Empire vs Rebel era of the original trilogy, and especially the era that the sequel trilogy takes place it. I also loved Darth Krayt and the One Sith empire that takes place a good amount of time after the original trilogy. So, when Disney came him and "de-canonized" the entire EU - I was effin furious. I had always hoped for a film revolving around Darth Revan, the Sith Empire vs Republic wars, or the Mandalorian Wars, but all that shit was thrown in the waste bin. Instead they decided to make a sequel trilogy that was nothing more than a redo of the original one. They bring back the empire, renamed it the "First Order," the rebels renamed "Resistance," Darth Vader renamed "Kylo Ren, and Luke renamed "Rey". Too this day I have no clue why so many fellow Star Wars fans actually loved "The Force Awakens," and that it wasn't until "The Last Jedi" that made them revolt. TFA was as close to a remake of a film, while not being one - that I've ever seen, it was just a beat for beat rip-off of "A New Hope."
That all being said, Disney Stars has done some surprisingly brilliant work that have become in fact my favorite live-action star wars content ever made, which is mind-blowing cuz everything else has been hot-garbage: Im talking about "Rogue One," the first 2 seasons of "The Mandalorian," and "Andor." I think i like them so much because they actually feel like unique and interesting stories and characters, plus it's prolly no accident that these installments have the least to do with the the original trilogy or the sequel trilogy. So for that i gotta give them credit, however these shows and film demonstrate that Disney Star Wars is actually capable of making some great additions to the Star Wars universe which then makes all the other garbage they've put out even more frustratingly unacceptable.
I agree completely. I liked the books, including the Old Republic. They did so much work to make the Jedi super interesting, it was better than the Marvel universe I think, because it felt less haphazard. So, they really dropped the ball on the content creation front. But the greatest strength of Star Wars was that it included an actual moral conflict of good vs evil. So the Sith vs Jedi which keeps the Jedi as good and the Sith as evil, would have had much larger potential to maintain people's interest over time.
@@exercisethemind fair enough
The Disney Vault really needs a comeback.
To be fair, she's just another soulless corporate executive who only care about their millions in bonuses rather than quality or tantrums online by 'the real fans'
yep
Exactly
Not including the 3 original heroes in a single scene was gross incompetence.. easily one of the biggest wasted opportunities in cinematic history! Then there were 3 different directors that actively worked against each other to create a "trilogy". It's shocking that Dizney executives remain employed just from those terrible decisions alone.. and that's not even counting the dumpster fire which are the D+ shows
Pleasantly surprised on your take here. It was not really what I was expecting to hear. I agree with about 90% of it
Appreciate that! thank you!
The thing I think of when i hear "Last Jedi" is ages like milk. Sure the movie is entertaining enough on its own, but once you realize it is part of a greater series, it breaks oh so many more things, like the hyperspace ram. Then there is the fact that Ryan Johnson has stated several times that he basically didn't care that it was part of this greater series this was HIS movie, so it was going to be made HIS way.
Not to mention his effort to be subversive, he comes across as malign towards said characters- Poe was right in his rebellion against Leah's replacement, you don't be so tight lipped about such things to your replacement under such circumstances without being suspicious. Likewise Finn was manhandled to heck and back. Finally, if you are going to turn Luke into his antithesis (Jake), you basically need a whole movie to set it up, not some half done flashbacks.
Next, Ryan is not as subversive as he thinks he is- The plot structure is basically empire in reverse, and he doesn't take any real risks. Imagine if he killed Finn at the end instead of rose saving him- there would be an actual sense of loss there to hang on to.
Finally, Last Jedi seems to go out of its way to cut off plot hooks set up by the previous movie wherever it can- Rey's parentage is irrelevant, Luke is dead, and Princess Leah's actor is dead, Snoke is a farce... the only thing still around is Ben Skywalker/Kylo Ren. And now you can see how "Rise of Skywalker" went off the rails.
As for any political commentary from the "The Last Jedi", I think of them more as a wink and nod, or mere unintended coincidence than the actually well thought out, but maybe not so well executed stuff of the prequels.
Maybe George Lucas had something to do with Star Wars being great.
1:17 “Star Wars never didn’t suck ass now.” - (the ghost of) Harlan Ellison
Some people believe Kathleen Kennedy knows where bodies are buried, so she is free to destroy things and cost Disney money 💰 😮😅
So Han can't shoot a scoundrel bounty hunter first in self preservation, but the Twins in the acolyte can both get away with cold blooded murder of jedi peacekeepers in revenge?
Gee, I wonder why that is?
1. Men love watching well-written female protagonists. Look at Sigourney Weaver in "Alien" & "Aliens". I don't know a single man that doesn't ADORE those movies and that character.
2. "Andor" is the best Star Wars that's EVER been made. WATCH IT. Andor is powerfully written, acted, and directed. It is smart and political, but in a timeless way. And even better, it gets beyond politics to touch on what it means to be human. If you've been disappointed by Star Wars, just watch it. If you don't like one character, keep watching, they get more interesting.
JUST DO IT!!!
4:55 - We see the aquisition price and the total gross but where are the other expenditures like production, marketing, etc? To my knowledge, Disney have been losing more money than they have made back in profits.
I, admire Peter, he is so accurate, clear, and brave!
#Champ!
Yea Greedo shooting first was so f****** stupid
who the f is Guido? Greedo's Italian cousin?
@@AgusSkywalker the actor that played him was Father Guido sarducci hahahaha 🤣 nah I'm just f****** around
@@kennethknoppik5408 coincidentally, the actress who played Greedo just died like a few days ago.
@@AgusSkywalker an actor named Paul Blake played him. He's still alive
@@kennethknoppik5408 Greedo was portrayed in 1977 by Paul Blake, as well as Maria De Aragon for some close-in pickup shots in 1977.
Maria de Aragon died on June 2.
As I understand it, Paul Blake was the original actor but George Lucas wasn't satisfied with what they had filmed, so Maria De Aragon used the costume for some re-shoots.
Part of the magic of the original Star Wars lay in the creative power that ILM used to get the awe-inspiring visuals they got in the first two/three movies.
Once you reduce that to an LED screen and CGI, that uniqueness is gone, and it's just product.
Disney really shot themselves in the foot by not being upfront at the start and telling people look we are not really interested in continuing the story we want to re write it. All of disney star wars is basically a horrible mismatch where there trying to re write the entire series while trying to pretend there not and it's actually a continuing saga.. while adding tons of PC crap to it. It's entirely there own fault for being dishonest and trying to have it both ways.
Someone recently made a comment to me about how the Star Wars media was becoming too progressive, he said something to the effect of connecting to real life problems and removing the escapism of fantasy/sci-fi. I agreed that shoe horning US human issues directly into an interstellar fictional universe was silly. As with other "woke media" it's not the messaging that's the issue, it's the low quality packaging
Financial #incentives, can compromise the #integrity of information #sources, even those traditionally considered #reputable.
#This
Kathleen Kennedy in charge of 'Star Wars' is like Michael Bay in charge of 'Barbie' or 'Little Women'.
I think Disney has produced good Star Wars content:
- I liked The Force Awakens when it came out. I don't like it that much now but I can still enjoy it as an entertaining movie.
- The Last Jedi has to me the best acting and photography of any Star Wars movie, and tries to say something through the franchise instead of just being a money generator for a company.
- Rogue One presents a new perspective on the Rebellion, not from the point of view of the larger than life heroes, but from the point of view of the more expendable soldiers.
- Rebels was a good animated series that had a rough start, like The Clone Wars, but ended up presenting an endearing cast of characters.
- The seventh season of The Clone Wars had its problems but concluded the series with one of its best arcs ever. Everyone should watch the last four episodes of The Clone Wars.
- The Mandalorian has been a pretty good series. I think the first season was excellent. The second season was pretty good but I got tired with the inclusion of tons of legacy characters. The third season had some bad episodes but in general I liked it. It would be better if you didn't have to watch half of the Book of Boba Fett to understand the story between seasons 2 and 3.
- Andor was the series that nobody expected or really wanted and ended up being the best written Star Wars anything.
- Half of Tales of the Jedi was pretty good, when it focused on Dooku's fall.
I agree that corporate meddling is the reason so many of the projects are mediocre (Ahsoka, Obi Wan Kenobi, The Bad Batch, Solo, Tales of the Empire), bad (Resistance, The Book of Boba Fett) or just a disaster (Rise of Skywalker). However, what people doesn't acknowledge is that Star Wars always had bad content, be it comics, novels or TV series. Nowadays it's just more obvious because a big corporation controls the entire output and they have the platform to stream all this content to millions of viewers who maybe missed the original extended universe because access was harder.
I don't think Star Wars is beyond saving, but I don't have hope that Disney's output will start being overwhelmingly good for a while. But we can always enjoy the good parts and just ignore the bad ones. We spent a decade thinking Revenge of the Sith would be the last Star Wars movie. You can spend another decade pretending it is.
And I don't think that another person would be much better than Kathleen Kennedy. The problem is not the head of Lucasfilm, is Disney.
At this point, they may as well "reboot" in a few years and simply tell writers to take the original extended universe books, and convert them to movie scripts. No corporate agenda, just hire good writers to punch-up the best of the old books and make them relevant for today. Develop a second female lead role for the Corellian Trilogy and you have a movie trilogy, complete with a space station bigger than the Death Star! You have "The Human League" playing a role of America First, but with literal xenophobia. I never read all the books, only maybe 10 or 12, but the main story art of Luke, Leia, and Han was a lot better. A good writers room could pull at least several trilogies and a few one-off movies out of those books.
@@Nphen so, who's going to produce all these stories without a corporate agenda? That's not realistic at all given that Disney still owns Lucasfilm. And having new episodes VII - IX means we wouldn't have Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams because they'd be either too old or dead. They'd have to be animated or made entirely with those CGI abominations like Tarkin in Rogue One.
Much love Peter! Solid as always!
thank you!
Was broken and on the decline from the start: The Prequels. Basically killed the franchise and hence why Lucas sold to Disney.
It's dead Jim.
1.) Disney 'Star Wars' team claims that the Sci-Fi genre is patriarchal; and that their progressive storylines are aren't just groundbreaking, they're so innovative that they're actually saving lives.
2.) Disney 'Star Wars' team desperately pretends that 'Dune' hasn't existed since the 1960's and was always full of strong female characters.
3.) Disney 'Star Wars' team is being sued by an actress who played a strong female character that was literally named "Dune."
One issue keep missing is niether Disney nor Lucasfilm made money with Star Wars. Not even close. With every venue in Star Wars ha been a loss and still havent gotten to the 4.2 billion they bought the company for.
I really am glad andor is a thing. I agree a lot with this video but I think we should praise what is working so we get more of that. Id like more of what andor did correctly. which was just good writing performances and sets. i wonder what the climate will be like when andor season 2 comes out. Sometimes i feel like many creators ignore it or try to hard to hate on it. despite it being the single good disney plus show including marvel as well! Making fun of the sequels or acolyte is very fun and even addictive. but when someone hates on andor or just pretends it doesnt exist when critiquing disney star wars it just feels.... off
Lucasfilm brings in directors, writers, and actors who are on board with KK and her agenda. It's an added bonus that many of them lack the experience to command a higher salary.
I actually do think that The Last Jedi had something to say (if we ignore The Rise of Skywalker). In regards to Luke Skywalker, I believe TLJ was trying to say "Your heroes are fallible humans just like you and they make mistakes. That doesn't mean they still can't make a positive change in the world and redeem themselves in some way". Maybe some people thought that message wasn't delivered well because of how Luke was portrayed but that seems to be what they were trying to do. The other message is that, in regards to Rey, anyone can be a hero, not just someone that comes from an important family or lineage of some kind. You can be born to "nobodies" and still do great things. Again, you may not like how they executed it (it of course got reconned out in RoS), but at least it was trying to say something. What the hell was RoS trying to say? I don't know other than "sorry TLJ did things you didn't like, here is a fanfic movie".
Besides, people hate that Luke was a broken, bitter old man, not realizing that's the only portrayal of Luke that wouldn't betray his character. There were 4 options:
- Luke was on Ahch-to searching for some way to defeat the First Order: hard to justify in that small planet, and focusing on destroying the First Order instead of helping the people who are fighting is consistently presented as the bad option in every Star Wars media.
- Luke was afraid of the First Order's power: this leaves him as a coward. Leia is as old as him and she is not a powerful jedi, but she still fights the way she can.
- Luke was powerless to stop the First Order: again, this betrays his character the same. Luke always fought against impossible odds so he wouldn't abandon his friends now.
- Luke thought that hiding himself was the best for everyone: this is the option that Rian Johnson chose. You may not like it, but that's the only way of keeping Luke as a hero given that Jar Jar Abrams didn't explain at all what Luke was doing in exile. The only way in which Luke would refuse his duty as a jedi to fight against tyranny is if he is convinced that the jedi do more harm than good in the long run (which he isn't totally wrong, tbh). But if you pay attention to the movie, this isn't the final message, it's the lie Luke believes that he has to overcome in the end.
@@AgusSkywalker Or they could not put him on an armpit of a planet all so they could tear him down.
@@ultrademigod that was not an option for TLJ, Abrams had already put Luke there, Johnson just had to find the justification for it. We don't really know what Abrams intended to do with Luke, but I doubt it would have been better than what we have.
@@AgusSkywalker All we saw at the end of TFA was an island though.
It could have been off the coast of a larger land mass, with a new major settlement nearby, perhaps with a first order base.
I've already come up with something better than what we were given, and it took me a few minutes to type.
These films are an exercise in how not to make films, from top to bottom.
@@ultrademigod And what was Luke doing there? keeping an eye on the First Order? and Kylo spends the whole movie looking for this unknown planet that happens to be one of their bases? I don't think your idea is as thought out as you think.
I think assembly line culture is a reason some people dislike AI. You take out the editorial process and AI can funnel out crap like no other, which in turn also pisses off the traditional folk crap funnelers, like the Hollywood writer's rooms and deviantartists.
The problem started from the beginning by making things a reset to ANH status in the universe. Abrams is such a hack he wanted to get things back to rebels vs the empire because that’s Star Wars baby! All the directions they could have gone in in this vast galaxy and he opts for a retread. It should have been that Leia (or Mon Mothma) was head of the NR, Han head of the NR military and Luke of a flourishing new Jedi order. The threat could have been some new race from the unknown regions that the NR has to deal with. Hell it could have been made interesting or should I say subvert expectations by having the NR have to work with the Imperial Remnant grudgingly because it is one that could destroy both.
The first trilogy should have focused on the legacy characters and introduced dynamic new ones that would take over in the following trilogy. Instead it was the biggest wasted opportunity in franchise film making history all due to incompetence and soulless corporate product mentality over art.
Agree with a lot here, thanks for making this
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think they they missed name that they called it the the rise of Skywalker shouldn't be the rise of palpatine? I'm guessing that the ray movie is going to be her falling in love with Sabine wren they have a love child together through the will of the force and scissoring they well obviously have a daughter, and from the moment she is born she becomes a force God to utterly destroy the past where all of history has been erased and there is only Disney Star wars, Disney well lock away all movies into their faults for all time never to be seen again except for all of those annoying fans that have VHS tapes DVDs and blu-rays of the films that Kathleen Kennedy utterly despise
Luckily the choice to not watch it was easy enough so i still haven't seen the last 3 movies.
Never cared about the identity politics coming from the left or right concerning the movies.
Always saw Star Wars as a franchise for teens to young adults.
I did watch Andor cause it does not treat me like a child.
"Andor" is amazing. Tony Gilroy rocks!
So why do they want their movies to fail on purpose? I mean they have the option of paying a competent multi Blockbuster achieving directors will not give them one phone call are they going to ask for something like reasonable like 15 million to direct it f*** that! call up some nobody give me the kid that just graduated film school and has three student films
I don't know if they want them to fail on purpose, but if they don't they're pretty incompetent
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"You need to make ME, President of LucasFilms" #KathleenKennedy [probably] said...
"I, will capture, the #FeministDollar: I, a woman, will make you, George, filthy rich!"...
#Feminism
#SexSells
#LucasFilms
Kathleen Kennedy could have easily fixed Star Wars and no I don't mean by making the most of protagonists white dudes, or even eliminating all virtue signalling but simply by making easy to follow stories filled with likable characters that get into exciting and memorable situations within the fantastical sandbox that is Star Wars. She didn't have to stay 100% married to the past but she needed to respect it and low and behold the handful of Star Wars projects made under her reign that did that were the most successful and well received.
The lesson should have been learned with TLJ but KK just keeps blowing it again and again.
Wait people liked Last Jedi and Rogue One? They both seemed like more boring nostalgia-fests. I was kind of ok with the first of the sequels because it's a mostly competent action adventure movie, but even then it felt like I was just getting a brand regurgitated at me.
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"#AssemblyLineCulture"
No I cannot direct a Star Wars movie for you, but by god I'm gonna. Where do I sign? Did you want my first born or is this a soul kinda deal?
Do you guys remember when Destiny destroyied Petter so badly that after 45 minutes he couldn't think anymore and had to make and excuse to leave? Lol Good times
When "the message" (a la Critical Drinker) distracts from the basic storyline people will notice and become irritated/bored.
The message SHOULD BE PART of the basic storyline. The problem is that none of the people working on these movies understand that; they do not understand that the story and the message are one thing. They believe them to be two things, and that the message needs to be delivered to the audience, rather than the fact that writing a story about something that matters does it automatically.
That is how it "distracts," it's because they are treating it like the thing they care about isn't literally automatically inside the thing they are writing. It completely is. If they focus on making something good that feels right, they will make every point they intended to.
What about Solo?
I still don't get the hate. I liked Acolyte. I'm not a Star Wars fan but it got me interested. I left a positive review and made the mistake of having open comments and I got threats from people who talk like lightsabers are real, Darth Vader is their dad and Luke saved them from a burning building. I think some Star Wars fans need to grow up.
Way too many women in Star Wars now.
Oh. It's the "plagiarism good actually" guy
“Plagiarism is basic to all culture.”
--Pete Seeger
Star wars is sci-fi for people who hate sci-fi.
Stop defending the last jedi, it was an undisciplined film and just an excuse for the director to experiment with "subversion".
It is absolutely killed momentum for the rise of skywalker for the genral audience...... uaing RT scores to judge audience reception of the film is shallow AF ...
Having different taste than you literally doesn't matter. Leave the fandom "put demand out so they supply it for me" paradigm, it will produce better mental health.
Star Wars has sucked since The Phantom Menace came out.
Maybe it's just that you can't appreciate what made it a billion dollar franchise
I hear about all this shit from you first 😂
ewoo! slurp.
Good show Peter. 🥩
The Last Jedi was a postmodernist attack on Star Wars.
It really wasn't. That is the problem with fandom and cultivated identity: you act like things are an attack because you think this is about you. It's not.
@@tokinsloff312no, it's the standard trick that the cultural right plays: obtusely, intentionally misreading a challenge to one thing expressed that they like as an attack upon everything they like and are.
That way, they can play victim and justify expressing their other, more sociopathic tendencies.
How can Kathleen call Star Wars fans bigots? When none of them are saying a word against homosexuality. Nor have Star Wars fans committed acts if violence against any Disney employees like real bigots would.
Star wars was NEVER good. 🗿
That would be a little thing called “cope”.
Joe rogan ,you suck
I don't mind diversety when it's appropriate.
However, a company that feels the need to discriminate agains white guys will not get my money.
At this point, I don't even bother with female protagonists. If it's not made for ME, then they don't deserve my money. The Star Wars movies made in the 1970s were made to appeal to MEN.
Umm, Leia was a female protagonist.
Princess Leia:
I am a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan...
Darth Vader:
You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!
You criticize "assembly line culture" yet defend using AI to create art.
If you paid attention to my AI critique, you'd see that's pretty much my criticism of AI. In my Plato doc and subsequent videos, I compare the straight output of AI to bland pop music; an aggregate of what becomes most prominent. AI, like all automation, is a creative tool and creates good things when used as such. However, in capitalism, we see the same problems as any other automation. The problem isn't AI; in fact the better people understand it the less it will be an "assembly line." AI fundamentally can not have perspective and that's why straight AI output is uncanny. Ultimately, the problem is property and class. But it sounds like you're more interested in whether AI is "good" or "bad."
@@Peter hey I really appreciate you taking the time for the reply. I've been watching you for years now. But honestly I often don't agree with you.
You seem so smart that you tend to over complicate some things that might be quite simple from a bird's eye view.
I think AI might be the answer to a lot of the world's problems, but when it comes to art I don't think there is any getting around it having a cheapening effect.
I think there is a big difference between using Photoshop to help you produce some art and just prompting an AI to make you something.
If AI art existed in any system of government it would still be used by lazy people who just don't want to make any effort to have a piece of art at their convenience.
I think this will devalue the artists who took take to master their craft, even if we live in a system where money didn't exist.
So, I have incorporated AI into the process when I make videos, particularly the docs, for the last couple of years. Firstly, in organizing my thoughts. I spew out my ADHD nonsense and ask it to sort it into something legible in a bullet point format. Then, I have a conversation with the AI about order, structure, etc. Once the outline is about 90% of what I want, I take it, put it into a Word doc, and edit it. Usually, I do a ton of revision before writing, which is more than necessary. Then I write. As I write, I take what I write and have AI grammar check, and I also ask it what point it thinks I am trying to make. What I am writing is fundamentally my thoughts but is tool-assisted to be clear and make as much sense as possible. It will offer suggestions, but rarely do I believe it makes sense to straightforwardly use those suggestions. If I want to incorporate it, I think trying to write my version of the suggestion is necessary to retain my voice.
The same goes for visual art. I will not, at any point, have the money to hire a writing staff or a digital art team. I can do most of this process on my own because I can now go from thought to rough draft (or even pre-viz in a lot of cases) faster, and in truth, sometimes, in visual art, the uncanny weirdness is the best/funniest possible result. It depends. I try to make things look as good as possible, but I also have some Tim & Eric sensibilities mixed in with that.
Everything is a remix!
@@Peter I understand all the reasoning for why people like you use this stuff. But it's all in a effort to streamline the output of content. It's assembly line culture.
And it's a unhealthy focus on perfection.
Why can't your grammer be rambling and kinda bad? Why do you need fancy AI generated thumbnails?
It's all so your content can compete with everyone else's. You're contributing to the speeding up of the content treadmill.
And you could probably afford to hire people do a lot of that stuff. It just might mean eating beans and canceling some subscriptions, but it would be possible if you really really cared enough.
I'm not judging you for not taking that path, but it is possible.
Stop making politics Star Warsal 🙃
Politics can be interesting and even exciting, when it's done well. Innumerable movies outside Star Wars are evidence of that. Within the Star Wars universe, "Andor" does it right.