Respectfully disagree. We have the technology today to study and film them in the wild where they belong, where anyone can learn about them from the confort of their own home. Regular folk are taking amazing drone footage of Orcas interacting in a very friendly and NATURAL manner with human beings. Orcas are large sentient beings that don’t belong in forced labor camps. It’s like taking a human being, putting them in a backyard pool for life and forcing them to do entertainment shows several times a day, 24 7. This guy is a deluded joke, blinded by greed and he doesn’t even realize it.
Respectfully totally disagree. Thad said “...some of those parameters weren’t met, I don’t think.”. That’s untrue. I wonder how much he got paid to say this. “Seaworld was doing it right” hahaha. Absolute rubbish. They are taken from their mothers very young. This is extreme trauma for an intelligent creature that has an excellent memory and relies so much on it’s mother. Killing whales and torturing a sentient being in a small enclosure for years are 2 very different things. Absolutely appalled with this interview. I expect more than sycophantic remarks in an interview. No lip service please. There IS so much stress in their lives. That’s why their dorsal fins droop (doesn’t occur in the wild except in very very very old whales). They also swim into walls to commit suicide. Disgusting interview. I expect more than this in an interview Roach.
Dawn's injuries: Brancheau was badly bruised, cut, and scraped. Her left elbow and left knee were dislocated. She had multiple broken bones, including ribs, her jaw, and her neck. Her liver had been torn open and her scalp was ripped off. So was her left arm. Yeah that sounds like an accidental killing, just an orca playing.. Are you kidding me? Orca's stay with their mother for the rest of their life, in big pods with the rest of their family. They are caught around 18 months olds and torn from their mother. Their food is withheld so they have to do those tricks in order to get food, if they don't listen, they don't get any.. Don't say they are happy and do it on their own free will. They are in a bathtub size pool with chlorine and other chemicals, that burn their eyes, they stress out and chew on the concrete. They scrape eachother because they don't speak the same language as the other orca's, because they are not from the same pod. Stop defending this abuse and stop blaming Dawn. You abuse these orca's and they act out, that's what happend. It's not Tilikum's fault for being abused and used, for more than 30 years.
Maybe you should stop saying orcas are taken from the wild at 18 months old. Chlorine and other chemicals, cite sources, blackfish peta and clearly people who would rather see the animals dead do not count.
Svi unutrašnji organi su joj bili zgnječeni, polomljena kost- sternum. I kad je konačno uhvaćen- i dalje je besno mlatio njenom rukom. I kad je koleginica uspela izvući njen torzo iz usta orke Tilikum- Dawn je bila bez kose, a on je i dalje haotično mlatio sa njenom rukom. Ne znam dal' je dobio doručak tog jutra, dal' je bio drogiran. I zašto je Sea World kupio osvedočenog ubicu i dao ga jednoj vrsnoj sportistkinji, punoj života i ljubavi?!
He played with her to death?? He basically saying tilikum didn’t realise he was killing her. To suggest these whales aren’t 100% aware of their actions is complete lies. They are far too intelligent for captivity. I see they’re still pushing the ponytail point and blaming Dawn for having her hair like that. That’s so disrespectful to her.
I have seen friendly, trained, labrador who "killed" yorkshire by lay on him while they were playing. He is inteligent, but he is just creature that also make mistakes as we all are. There is no one to blame.
Killer whales are arguably the most intelligent animals on earth after humans, don’t insult my intelligence by telling me he was just playing with her too hard and didn’t realize he was hurting her. He was probably depressed, angry, hungry, etc...saw an opportunity for some payback and took it.
It has been shown again and again and again and again that Dawn was grabbed by the arm, not her ponytail. Saying that it was her fault or that she didn't follow the proper procedures to deal with Tillikum is offensive. How dare you blame her! I'm not saying it was Tillkum's fault; he was a traumatized whale, but it was also NOT Dawn's fault.
This interview made me so angry. I can’t believe after all this time they’re still trying to push this obviously false narrative. Some people will never change.
Wait a minute. On one hand you tell me how intelligent Orcas are, but on the other hand you tell me that Tilikum didn't know that he was killing her. Not convincing.
👍👍😂😂 Exactly. The, think we are stupid. Comparing domesticated animals like dogs and horses with orca's is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. And Mr However there are already rescue stations for elephants and tigers. Don't give us that shit. Oh now it's gotten better before it was worse. 🙈🙈🙈🤣🤣
Orcas are extremely intelligent , and if you watch the Netflix doc Blackfish , youl understand why he made that comment, tilikum was treated really bad , from bullying from the pod ,starved ,medicated kept in isolation for 18 to 20 hrs a say in a metal box that he couldn't even turn around in .... . Not to mention what actually happend that day , Dawn asked him to do something ,he was in the middle of doing it when she commanded him to come back but he missed the cue and continued to finish the act , when he returned for his reward , Dawn didn't give him the fish , she ran out of food at the end and was still asking him to perform ...... you should watch it , tilikum was just as much a victim as Dawn was , God rest her soul 🙏 ❤
This guy's full of it! No-one can say definitively what the orca was "thinking"/meant to do or not do. They're not humans, they're wild and unpredictable *animals.* Whatever the orca's reason for doing what he did, only one thing is for sure---if he wasn't part of a *show* in which he was kept captive and "trained" to do tricks as part of a moneymaking *entertainment* business *it would not have happened.*
I just Disagree with the assumptions that keeping these whales in captivity is a good thing. It is not a good thing. It will never will be a good thing.
How shameful! To sit there straight faced and lie and lie. He was not playing. He aggressively killed her. Her entire scalp was pulled off and the autopsy says she was hemorrhaging. So she was alive when this was happening. He simply lost his temper much like a person would do when they’ve been abused for decades. Boycott sea world!
Yes!!! I'm so happy there are people who know and speak the truth! It's insulting for this man to bold face lie and it's insulting to Dawns and Tillys memory.
Well then you don't understand Dawn's legacy. Blackfish is an awful movie that lies to you. All of Dawn's family said that they will not support that movie because of how falsely it portrays Dawn and her relationship with the whales. Her family continues to visit Sea World daily because they know the truth and her love to help the whales. She would never on her life work for an organization who mistreated animals. Especially for 16 years.
@@Taushathetech the same goes for our ancestors who domesticated the wolf, cat, horse, cattle, chickens, hogs, parakeets, toucans, snakes etc. . Maybe we should just let all pets and farm animals go and let them live out in the wild. Like they should and then we hunt them like we should. I'm willing to do that again are you?
What ??!!! No one said tillikum was crazy, no he was kept in a tiny pool and went crazy like any creature that size would ! Not the whales fault not Dawn’s fault but absolutely sea worlds fault no matter the ‘pony tail” excuse. He grabbed her by the arm! That was already proven in court
Of course that’s your response , no research or facts just blindly repeating the captivity theory . That’s all we hear from the activists . The evil seaworld , never mind what all the money poured into animal care and rescue . But it’s ok to use the posterchild for seaworld to promote their cause , even though it’s clearly nothing she believed in, so let me get this straight , your making comments about Seaworld , when these activists and Blackfish , came out and used her death ( with serious misleading facts )to promote their theory cause that’s all it is .
Seriously can’t stand these activists , they single handedly destroyed seaworld , and they used seaworlds poster child to do it . I can’t stand you activists , I’ve tuned you out for years as everyone else did and when you couldn’t get people to listen to your theory , you did far worse than seaworld , you used a woman’s death to get your voice heard . And it’s literally nothing she believed in , Disgusting ! Ignorant that’s what they are , god forbid you actually hear what others are saying but as I stated before they really don’t care about them it’s all about getting their voice heard . There way is the only way and I think pretty much sums up PETA , he just said above , they would rather slaughter an entire heard of elephants instead of them live in captivity. I think that speaks to the level of intelligence of these fools , it’s their way or the highway , and again not about the welfare of these animals one point to get there voice heard , how else do you explain for years them crying how the orcas got taken from their families just to turn around destroy seaworld and take away the only family they had , no it’s these obnoxious people that literally ruin everything with their negative actions . Again I’ve tuned these fools out before . It is nothing more than their stupid theory , it’s not scientific fact , theory but keep flapping your gums and listen to no one and here is a question it’s stated no orcas in the wild attack humans , wrong there is not a ton of cases but there are some . Diver being literally dragged to the bottom of the ocean , but he set himself free thank god. So tell me all you foolish activists kind of doesn’t hold true to your captivity theory . Should we just let all the animals go free them to the world , nothing more than ignorant haters that destroy it for everyone else . How about this educate yourselves and this is not scientific proof nothing but your obnoxious theories . It’s time to tune you freaks out!
what I will never understand is why 90% of the anti captivity arguments are about „big animals in too small cages or tanks“ How come that people who scream this into everyone‘s face don‘t give a sh**t about small animals in even smaller cages?!
Finally someone with common sense. I fully agree with you. A lot is wrong with how humans treat animals, whether they are from the water or from land. The fact that they blamed it on her hair, instead of taking the responsibility is gross. When financial consequences are attached to topics like these, a lot of people will ignore the damage we do to these animals and just keep on supporting animal cruelty. People only want to continue this behaviour because they like seeing them, not because they care about the animals' mental and physical health. I love seeing them too, but their wellbeing is wayyy more important than me "loving to see an orca". Hopefully, with generations, this way of thinking will disappear
Sure they can compare with dogs, at least to some extend:) Keeping a whale in a tiny shallow barren tank for decades is the same as keeping large dogs in a tiny barren kennel til they die. No suprise they've already lost over 40 orcas in their 50+yrs in operation but I guess Hakuna-Matata right.
Anyone who's read the autopsy knows this was NO accident. Dawn had serious traumatic injuries and internal bleeding, she was even scalped. From multiple eye witness accounts Dawn was thrown into the pool by Tilikum who grabbed her arm. I don't believe Tilikum is a bad whale but he certainly knew what he was doing and likely killed her to take out his frustrations of being in captivity.
If Tilikum was so upset, why he wait 18 years to kill a trainer. If you use peta as your reference. PETA is against pet ownership and would take link away and kill him. So if you fell off him then he gets spooked and kicks you in the face and causes a brain bleed is that no accident?
While I agree that Tilikum wasn’t an evil whale and probably didn’t mean to really hurt anyone; but when this guy mentions that Dawn was pulled in by her ponytail, you completely lost me because that is a FLAT out lie. In addition, these whales do not deserve to be stuck in a pool. They deserve to be in the ocean!!
I have no idea if she was pulled by her ponytail or not. I was not there And I agree with you that most whales belong in an ocean. But I can make the same argument about horses, dogs and cows. They belong to be free as well. But nobody is willing to give up their pet dog. It’s the same thing. Horses should be running free but most are locked up in stables and people make profits off of trading, selling and competing with those horses. Why aren’t you angry with that as well?
@@randyrauch who said I wasn’t for releasing horses back out to the wild? You assumed that based on my comment? First and foremost, my comment was specific to whales because THIS video is about sea world and the Orca that killed Dawn. So that’s why my comment was about that. Stop assuming intentions. Secondly, I am very much against the abuse against cows, chickens, and other animals that are used for entertainment, food consumption, and clothes.
@@Jeissecastillo U want all horses to be released back in the wild? Pause for a moment this thought and come back to me when u have time to think rationally.
@@Jeissecastillo and not to mention horses/dogs were domesticated to LIVE with humans for many thousands of yrs which nowadays thrive in our way of life. But not whales whom were taken from the ocean and locked in tiny barren pools since the 60s. Hence why this corporation has lost over 43/62 exclude stillborns whales (wild/born) in their 50 or so yrs in operation, most die before 25yrs old vs the average wild of 50+yrs, so obviously there is something very wrong with keeping them in barren confinement. There are just some species of wild animals that do not THRIVE in captivity and whales are just one of them.
@@randyrauch Comparing an apex-predator like an orca to a horse or a house cat is ridiculous. Also, it matters that she wasn't pulled by her ponytail, as that's a lie SeaWorld pushed at the time to blame her for her death.
"...born in captivity, and survived.." That says it all. In captivity, all creatures can only survive. But surviving is nowhere near living life to the full. This guy says he "loves animals, and growing up had tanks in his bedroom". Totally controlling them is not the same as loving them.
I will NEVER NEVER pay ANYONE to look at these majestic animals being imprisoned and TORTURED.. He can spin this however he chooses so he can sleep at night but the facts are Orcas life spans are cut in half if they are lucky. It’s not right.. I hope everyone stops funding torture…
He's still lying about the "hair/ponytail" Tilikum wasn't playing. Tilikum was angry about the idiotic training methods called operant conditioning and the specific part of operant conditioning called the LRS. You should have me on your show. I'll explain everything. I am a biologist who has invented a new theory of behavior to replace the flawed one that Sea World was operating under (Operant Conditioning) which holds that you "ignore" aggression. They did ignore aggression. Over and over, hundreds of times, before it caught up with them. They got away with it because they controlled the narrative and they blamed the trainers when aggression occurred, just like your boy Thad did after the incident. He blamed Dawn. It wasn't Dawn's fault. It was Skinner's fault. I'll explain. I'm in California. I'll also explain my new theory. Money Mike. Out.
I’m watching Blackfish right now and I specifically wanted to look up this Thad guys name because I was so disgusted with how he placed the blame on Dawn. Seaworld is a corrupt organization and needs to be shut down. Sued first by anyone affected by their disgusting lack of human compassion...and then shut down. Thad should be ashamed of himself.
Yes. Respectfully totally disagree with Thad. Thad said “...some of those parameters weren’t met, I don’t think.”. That’s untrue. I wonder how much he got paid to say this. “Seaworld was doing it right” hahaha. Absolute rubbish. They are taken from their mothers very young. This is extreme trauma for an intelligent creature that has an excellent memory and relies so much on it’s mother. Killing whales and torturing a sentient being in a small enclosure for years are 2 very different things. Absolutely appalled with this interview. I expect more than sycophantic remarks in an interview. No lip service please. There IS so much stress in their lives. That’s why their dorsal fins droop (doesn’t occur in the wild except in very very very old whales). They also swim into walls to commit suicide. Disgusting interview. I expect more than this in an interview.
@micjael Patton 👍👍💜💜 God thank you, too. I could punch in the screen. These dirty liars. You know much about training, that's good. And comparing a dog with an orca 🙈🙈
@@steviewilliams7248please...its very sexy to be an anti cap activist now. Sadly it's sexy to be an anthropromorphizing moron who think whales have human moral systems.
It’s a whale. It would not take much effort at all to kill her. He could easily be playing with her and kill her. Dogs, horses and all kinds of domesticated animals accidentally kill even their owners. They don’t mean to. They’re not necessarily viciously trying to kill the one that feeds them. Think about it.
@@SHERRYNYCREACTS her arm was ripped off too I saw a picture of him with it in his mouth and it was fresh. Someone said when she was scalped she had already stopped bleeding out because her heart was no longer pumping blood. And your head bleeds way more than any other part of your body so there's no way he pulled her in by her ponytail. That's SeaWorld trying to subtly blame the victim for the attack.
I never heard someone blame Tilikum for what happend. I don't know what he's talking about. Tilikum is the last one to blame on that matter. And no activist blamed him! The only people to blame are those who were responsible for the capture, the captivity conditions etc. He should be freed decades ago! If not into the wild, then into a sanctuary facility! He shouldn't be there in the first place!
1. Ponytail story is a lie. 2. In their natural habitat killer whales can easily become 100 years old, most animals in Sea World captivity don't even live for half as long, I wonder why that is🤔 3. Lots of female animals have regular miscarriages because of stress, lots of medication in their food and so on (for those not believing that, just look up 'how are animals treated at sea world' on google and you'll find lots of stuff that'll shock you) 4. Comparing wild animals like killer whales to house cats is probably one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. 5. Killer whales need space, they need freedom to live a long and happy live (btw Tilikum was taken from the ocean at age 2 after the animals mother was shot by a harpune and Tilikum didn't want to abandone his dead mother) 6. Killer whales are very intelligent animals, so they know when their treated badly and attacks like the one with Dawn are expressions of their frustration and stuff. 7. Have you ever seen a killer whale in the wild doing even slightly similar movements and stunts they have to do at Sea world? You really think that's normal and the want to do those tricks? 8. There are several former trainers from sea world who openly say that they were part of a system and organization that treated their animals horribly and made their lives miserable Everyone who goes to killer whale shows and similar events is not a friend of animals because you can't go there thinking ' oh those animals most love living in way top small aquariums, doing completely unnatural movements in shows they have to do several times a day. All of my points can be looked up and are facts.
@@SHERRYNYCREACTS this is true. Several eyewitnesses said he grabbed her by the arm, which was also ripped off. Fact is, Without seeing the video neither you or I could say what happened for sure.
You're right Yvonne, Tilikum also reportedly consumed her arm as well. This is public information why is this not being checked before the interview? Dawn passed of initial blunt force trauma to the head, limbs, and torso. That's why there was no blood in the water, because she was sent into shock prior to being taken under the water. Tilikum charged her first and as stated by a witness "she was sent flying through the water". 12,000 lbs hitting her square in the center of her body. You guys knew you were gonna talk about Dawn, like what the hell?
@@makali13 you people are so pathetic, try hards....you have 0 clue what your talking about you don't like a whale being in captivity an if they weren't you would be saying the poor chickens being killed has to stop they are just treated horrible blahblablah
Keeping a killer whale in a swimming pool and forcing it to perform for basic food is not the answer. We need to protect our oceans, stop taking healthy marine mammals out of the wild and build sanctuaries for the ones in captivity. It could be like Safari Park but the marine version in which people can see them at a distance, admire and respect them. I don’t understand why marine parks like Sea World won’t even consider it.
He didn't even drag her in by her ponytail idk why SeaWorld keeps trying to stick with that. Her ponytail was clearly pushed to the other side. There are pictures of that plus her arm in his mouth. He scalped her later and there was no blood at that point because her heart had stopped.
Agreed. They also changed the story. At first they said she fell in, then when they realized witnesses were saying she didn't they changed the stor and started saying the whale grabbed her hair. Theyre lying to protect that vile sideshow Seaworld. Witnesses definitely state that the animal grabbed her by the arm or the side of the waist. None said hair.
o.k. i actually caught this tool box lying, at about 11:47 - he's talking about how he believe's all animals parks will be fazed out in the next 50 years, bla bla bla. As he says ''i hope i'm wrong'' he shakes his head left to right as to really be saying no, when he's supposed to nod his head up and down which is what a truthful person would have done trying to say yes. It's a common body language mistake people make when they are lying. It's actually not a mistake, it's just that body language does not lie, and his clearly did in that moment right there. There's plenty of other tells this tool is giving up, that's just an easy one i wanted to point out, go check it out!!
I can't believe that in this day and age we are still saying that it is important to keep wild animals in captivity for our learning purposes. Decades ago perhaps. Bringing magnificent animals, like the killer whale, to our attention in this way, "MAY" have shown us how incredible they are and that they should be protected, (along with the planet that we share with all nature). Now we have so many ways to study these animals in their natural habitat. We don't need to rip them from their families, and cause irreparable damage to them, to "learn" about them. These captive whales are used as money makers, and to allow some people to feel that they have control over something as amazing as an apex predator, and that is the problem in a nutshell. The "killer" whale is a PREDATOR. Tilly did what he was born to do. He wasn't being malicious, (perhaps), but he knew what he was doing. These are amazingly intelligent beings. He was being a killer whale, that was meant to hunt, chase and play with it's prey, and live a stimulating life in the ocean with his family, even if it was dangerous. Saying the whales are safe and fed and should be happy is such crap. My dog has more room to roam on our farm than Tilly did in his pool. Dead fish is not the same as LIVE fish, and the chemical things that happen , (like dopamine production), for a whale when it hunts with his family is TOTALLY missing when being hand fed fish for doing tricks. Go ahead and tell a serious mountain climber that he shouldn't climb K2 because it's dangerous, or an olympic athlete that bobsleds that it's too dangerous and he/she should stay home, safe and sound. What do you think their response would be? "LET ME BE FREE!!!!!! LET ME LIVE MY LIFE, dangers and all!!!! " Unfortunately the captive whales can no longer be set free, especially if they were born in captivity, but if Sea World actually does care about animals, then STOP the breeding!!!!!!!!! No more whales in captivity being used to make humans wealthy. Stop supporting animal acts for the sake of the mighty dollar. And an animal "sanctuary" is not the same as a circus, or zoo. Do what's best for the animals for a change, and not the pocket book.
Wendy Mueller You my lady said it all. You have the same thoughts as I do. Very well said. It is so sad that these people don't understand why this is very inhumane. But I am glad you said what you said. There are so many stupid people in the world because they can't get it. 💯 Percent. I am totally with you.
@@coraleecossey3320 Thanks Coralee. 🙂It is always good to know that there are other people out there that care for animals and realize that perhaps we humans don't always do what's right by them. Especially when they can't speak for themselves, but their actions are very telling.
@@wendymueller8709 Anytime. I am a serious ANIMAL LOVER. ANY ANIMAL. BUT YOU SAID YOUR PIECE SO GOOD. SOME PEOPLE AREN'T QUITE THAT SHARP. LOL AND YOUR WELCOME.
How would you justify your opinion of Orca in captivity if you will not study them in a captivity environment? Orca was given the resiliency to live in a different environment. Do not worry
@@marialperez1773 Swimming circles in a swimming pool and performing tricks to entertain people, while making some people rich, is not my idea of living. I would not like to spend my entire life in one room. I would go crazy. Just like these beautiful living creatures do.That is my opinion
From sea land to sea world? What a unesescarry trip Tilikum, you should be in the wild. thanks for your amazing services which should be practiced in the wild not in sea world, thanks for taking out your animal abusers and thanks for everything else. Your memory will forever be and may your whale spirit be with the mom who saw you be caught, you screamed you cried, humans lied… yet we still see the truth! RIP - Tilikum
So the killer whale didn't mean to kill Dawn? Oh right, because they had a special relationship, an understanding about one another? What was the understanding exactly? You keep me in pool for the rest of my life making me do tricks for fish and I promise not to eat you one day? Dude, you've been in the "jail" too long.
He grabbed her by the arm, not her ponytail . He was a tortured soul ever since they stole him from his pod, and used him mercilessly. Swim free beautiful Blackfish you deserved so much better…😡.
*This is disgustingly disrespectful!* He didn't grad her ponytail. He grabbed her arm, ripped it of and swallowed it. This man is not trying to 'set the record clear', he's trying to push the blame on Brancheau to protect SeaWorlds reputation. Tilikum - the wale who killed her - isn't to blame at all, as even humans would get psychotic living under those disgusting circumstances. Please boycott sea world!
First of all these whales are meant to be in oceans of water with their own kind. Imagine it the other way whales keeping us in tanks to play with would we be happy. Humans are so selfish
Well they do have a point. For educational purposes and conservational purposes it can be good to keep wild animals. That doesn't mean it should be orcas. That also doesn't mean they should be held in small tanks like in sea world. It's not black or white like the dumb American thinking is. Learn to think with a nuance.
I can't believe they keep saying that shit about captive animals "don't need to hunt" or "swimm for food" etc. !? As if it were a good thing.... I mean, that is what animals do in the wild. This is a natural thing to spend their time! If these people had their way, they would put these animals somewhere where they just exist and don't move otherwise. And then they would sell it to us as something good "because the animals don't have to move from the spot, we do everything they need, they dont have to move. It's enough if they breathe, blink and are simply present!"
It’s unfortunate that the killer whales that were born in captivity and wouldn’t stand a chance in open ocean. It’s a nice thought but, sadly there’s no way. The whale that played in free Willy, he went through a lot and a lot of people helped with his transition. At the end of the day he essentially died of sheer loneliness. Whales need their families and his family couldn’t be found. His only interaction was people keeping an eye on him with a tracker. Poor beautiful whale.
This dude certainly has alot to say for someone who wasn't there AT ALL...he needs to have several seats - that poor whale killed and maimed that poor woman. Free the whales
His whole story become untrue the minute he said that she was grabbed by her ponytail. We have all seen the video and he quite blatantly has her arm in his mouth. Now I cannot believe a word this man says!
@@JenniferJacksonxminecraftlifex th-cam.com/video/EiT-FQVyoe8/w-d-xo.html this shows her hair was not in the orcas mouth but the rest of this video got banned.
How sea world handled this was pretty abhorrent. It really bothers me they want to deflect blame and outright lie about their type of captivity being unsuitable for the animals and dangerous for their employees so they can continue to put both in harms way. Time’s running out guys, people don’t think what you are doing is right anymore so you may as well try to change now.
Sadly tilikum was mentally traumatised from sealand long before he came to seaworld. Given his size & power,he would have made a great waterwork animal,similar to ulises at the san diego park. Dawns death was a tragedy & changed things forever.
Have any of yall who are so opposed to the orcas being at places like SeaWorld watched a documentary or read anything about Keiko, the killer whale from Free Willy? He died not long after being released, and that was after months of training him to catch live fish and being in a huge tank, and then a cove I believe. He never could fit in with a pod, and tried to interact with humans still. After watching Blackfish I looked at places like SeaWorld completely different, but you also cannot just release these animals into the wild and expect them to survive. Sadly, Keiko's life story proved that.
Maybe you should re-read the information. He spent 2 years being rehabilitated in Oregon, in a much much larger tank, where he finally got healthy and gained two thousand pounds. Then he spent 4 years in Iceland, in what you call a cove, to learn how to live in the ocean. THEN he left on his own and traveled to Norway, possibly following other orca. People may call this a failure because he never joined a pod (he never found his family), but I call it a success that he got to spend 5 years in the ocean with adequate space, catching his own food. Even if he had only had one day of freedom, it’s still better than being trapped inside a tiny concrete pool with not enough stimulation.
I don't blame Tillikum for her death. He probably didn't want to kill her if you believe eyewitness reports of him being shaken and confused after the attack. He might have forgotten, if only for a split second, in his frustration that he is 50x her size, strength and weight and can break her like a stick figure. He probably accidentally hurt her when he let out his rage in a fency. However, SeaWorld is to blame in all instances! Because they are imprisoning these creatures in completely sensory deprived miniature tanks making them bored, frustrated, depressed and needlessly aggressive. Dawn and Tilly both paid with their lives for SeaWorld's animal exploitation.
Just remember folks the 'animal activists' they are talking about also include Marine biologists like Ingrid Visser and several others who don't want these intelligent beings in captivity.
In such a case where there going to be slaughtered then it is best to be in captivity. But for the orcas and dolphins I don't think there being hunted down except for places like Sea World for entertainment.
Can't compare killer whales like Tili with domesticated dogs. You want to compare? Then how about with a wild captured wolf, just as Tili? He wasn't "playing" with her, he is clearly frustrated and has put it all on this poor woman. Who's to blame? The SW corporation for allowing trainers too close to a whale with no safety barrier that has history of killing people. Very sad and more so for this corporation to blame on her.
I was lookin for a comment like this. The whole “he pulled her in by her hair” scheme has been debunked a long time ago. As soon as he said “I wasn’t there” I stopped watchin at the 3:55 mark. Ignorance at best. Also according to the autopsy, I thought I read that she had very little water in her sinuses & NONE in her lungs. She did not drown like he is sayin she did. Like why lie? Then to just blatantly lie at that is so disrespectful to her family
Dogs and cats are horrible examples. Cats basically domesticated themselves and chose to be around humans and become symbiotic by keeping rodents at bay while also being fed and loved by us. We bred dogs into existence and most would gladly stay with their humans if given the opportunity to be free. Both completely different situations than ripping animals that don’t voluntarily choose to be around us from their families and natural habitats for lives they weren’t meant to live.
Yes we’ve learned so much from them in captivity BUT they aren’t there for a performance. They aren’t for our entertainment. They need more space, they are a social family network. People saying ‘Black fish’ is one sided is because it is! We can all go out and do our own research and having done that I still think they shouldn’t be kept and used for our entertainment. Never should have.
He specifically says over and over he wasn't there. So why don't they interview someone who was there?!?! He also kept on saying that they should have done waterwork with him. Well... Here's an idea. Put it back in its natural habitat. If it gets injured in the wild, it gets injured, don't put it in a confined space. It's ridiculous. He says if you keep animals in cages you have to do it right, SeaWorld does it right. Lies. Lies. SeaWorld doesn't do it right. SeaWorld can't even own up to the death of their trainers. I just hope that one day, someone will stop people from putting animals in cages. They belong in the wild. You wouldn't want to put humans in cages. Having to do a trick for a tiny treat. Not enough to feed you.
This man’s hubris disgusts me. To state that we could “repopulate the ocean” ; after everything dies from our polluting it; with animals raised by humans… is simply ludicrous. The solution isn’t simple but it starts with ceasing to view animals as put on the planet for our use and entertainment. Animals do not need to be trained!
I don’t believe it was any more Tilikum’s fault than it was Dawn’s! Maybe he wasn’t aggressive? He actually had killed 2 people by that point! Kelty Burn who this guy tells about and a man who broke into the Orca enclosure when the park was closed! Tilikum tore that man’s scrotum off! In the morning when the trainers arrived the man Daniele was draped across Tilikum’s back! Maybe he just had bad days? These are such magnificent social mammals, I find it very hard to believe that Tilikum or Orchid or Lolita or any of them have no memories of being with their pods! Who are their families btw. Generations of Orcas in pods as large as 30 or more. As smart as they are… we can always take care and or help them in their natural homes! In this case the deep blue sea. Also the man that trained the dolphins for the flipper show has switched sides too! He said something that stuck with me.. “The Dolphin Smile Is Natures Biggest Deception! It Gives The Illusion That They Are Always Happy!” Hmm 🤔
Working with powerful animals you know the risk. Dawn knew the risk. Animals get frustrated just like people they have bad days. Tilikum probably either took play too far or lost his temper about a neutral training response and didn't hold back and be gentle with his trainer like he normally would (although tilli wasn't water trained). He killed her but he did not have malace intent. He was angry or overstimulated he killed her then not understanding what he had done kept a hold of her trying to decide what he was doing next. Animals act on instinct not malace intent the way people do. Tilikum is not to blame but neither is dawn.
I agree with Mr. Thad Lacinak. I suspected it was Dawn's dry ponytail hair swaying before Tilikum, which looked like a toy or sea kelp, that seemed to be catching the whale's attention. This is an accident that no one would think would happen.
Really. It sounds like both is trying to defend the wrongdoer. Keeping any animals, especially orcas, in captivity is very unnatural and stressfull for them. This leads to aggression and stress. No orca has ever killed a human in the wild. Only in captivity. Stop trying to defend what is wrong. Everybody can see what ur doing
I don’t think anyone is trying to defend anything. But if you’re going to say keeping orcas in captivity is wrong, wouldn’t the same be said about dogs kept in captivity? Dogs kill people all the time because they are stressed out and held captive in peoples homes, apartments etc. and what about every horse that is locked up in a stable? Is that fair to the animal??
It's bullshit for them even to have Tilikums trainers perform so called "dry work" (or non water work) with him. Dry work involves submersed ledges like the one Dawn Brancheau was pulled from, he could have easily pulled someone into the water by any area of the body, at any time during those shows. Dawn just happened to be the unlucky ones.
Tilikum really was not aggressive he literally played with her to death but how he said when they tried to get her out he started to get aggressive, that's it it is the same as to try to get the favorite toy from dog's mouth. He loved her she was unique she made the animals happy.
@@ryanlentz5918 that has not been proven. There are many interviews that say the opposite. Some by people that were there, and some by former employees and dear friends of Dawn’s.
Why did you have a killer whale in a tank for money to begin with? For the prices you charge for tickets, parking and merchandise we can go pay to see these beautiful animals in the wild where there are ZERO attacks reported from killer whales?
Honestly him saying he grabbed her ponytail is downright insulting to her. Most the the people who, y’know, we’re actually there, said it was by her arm. And because he knows people at sea world we’re supposed to take it at face value? They wanted yo save their bottom dollar by blaming it on her and he’s just falling in-line on that.
I'm basically listening to a zookeeper with all the technology we have today we can study animals in the wild captivity is not necessary the dorsal fin tells it all you don't keep a beautiful animal like that and a stone fish tank for years until its death
02:30-03:21 Tilikum was not a monster... Dawn would've never wished ill upon one of her favorite animals. 😍😍😍💖💖💖 This interview with Thad Lacinak, has been the best I've seen.
Don’t watch this….just block this channel. The host really said since people didn’t want orca in captivity anymore, we’re they also going to release their dogs and other pets. Dogs! Man best friend, who is happy, healthy, live full lives and happy to be apart of your family, domesticated, does not need to hunt etc Vs Orca who are meant to be in the wild, where they live around 60-100years old but only live to 13-30 in captivity. They don’t have enough space to get the exercise they truly need and their dorsal fins loses it collagen and just flap over. The chemicals in the pool water burning their eyes and causing skin diseases, they’re kidnapped at 1-2 years old from their mother and put to work if they want to eat. We know these mammals have stronger family structures than we do and their well being depends on that. Not only that but this disgusting old man is completely full of shit blaming Dawn for her own death “because she didn’t put her hair away”. This man is talking as if he’s the God of training and after he left certain protocols weren’t followed anymore….that even tho he retired he called and begged them to train the dolphin in water work because he knew he would kill someone blah blah blah. Y’all both full of shit and this channel sucks
This beautiful Orca should've NEVER been TAKEN from his true family, and still been alive today!..Tilikum was stolen from the sea and put in a small pool at an early age...Until we quit capturing these beautiful creatures from the wild, we will see more and more tragedies like poor Dawn endured and lost her life for in the end..I truly believe she loved this orca, and also believe she often imagined what his life would've been like had he never been stolen from his mother at such a young age..
'Some parameters were not adhered to' !!!! My goodness - what a twisted mind this chap has ! The whale was smart enough to track her specifically around the pool watching every signal and hand movement - and this guy says T was just 'playing with her' ?! And also that T caused all the injuries post mortem (after she died of drowning) as if he was not letting her go - what a twisted explanation. Wonder what this man has against Dawn in dishonoring her memory.
Great Interview! Thad is the man! For you'll saying that he is lying well you gotta look at the whole picture. If you see in the tourist video, you can clearly see that she's reinforcing him and btw food isn't the only reinforcement, and you can see other buckets that she has with him. So why would he attack her if he was being reinforced? See what i am saying?
It is insane to see the comment sections, clearly just going off sensationalised articles and Blackfish. Read the autopsy report before commenting - Dawn's arm was not ripped off and Tili didn't eat it. Witness reports - including Dawn's spotter - said it was the hair and it's not blaming Dawn. It was an accident. Everyone knew that. The Blackfish trainers only came out to talk about how apparently bad SeaWorld was when Dawn died. They exploited her death for their own moment of fame. Thad has more experience than any person in this comment thread and he knows these animals the best. You don't. You didn't know Dawn, you didn't know Tilikum, you've just fallen for the propaganda and you think you're on some noble crusade while you exploit an incredible person's death. The killer whales that are in captivity right now are loved and safe. Trying to free them would very likely kill them because they are not wild animals anymore. The best thing we can do is support ongoing improvement to facilities and continue to learn about them and support positive welfare. I used to believe in Blackfish until I realised how much of the truth was twisted. I work with dolphin welfare researchers now and work on improving lives of these animals instead of hating SeaWorld that has rescued over 40,000 animals and are involved in some incredible and vital conservation work - because of the revenue that comes from these animals being in human care.
I believe nobody is to blame for this horrible death.
Respectfully disagree. We have the technology today to study and film them in the wild where they belong, where anyone can learn about them from the confort of their own home.
Regular folk are taking amazing drone footage of Orcas interacting in a very friendly and NATURAL manner with human beings.
Orcas are large sentient beings that don’t belong in forced labor camps. It’s like taking a human being, putting them in a backyard pool for life and forcing them to do entertainment shows several times a day, 24 7. This guy is a deluded joke, blinded by greed and he doesn’t even realize it.
Seaworld is responsible.... they know Captivity stresses the orcas out... there are alot of incidents that never officially were reported
Respectfully totally disagree. Thad said “...some of those parameters weren’t met, I don’t think.”. That’s untrue. I wonder how much he got paid to say this.
“Seaworld was doing it right” hahaha. Absolute rubbish.
They are taken from their mothers very young. This is extreme trauma for an intelligent creature that has an excellent memory and relies so much on it’s mother.
Killing whales and torturing a sentient being in a small enclosure for years are 2 very different things.
Absolutely appalled with this interview. I expect more than sycophantic remarks in an interview. No lip service please.
There IS so much stress in their lives. That’s why their dorsal fins droop (doesn’t occur in the wild except in very very very old whales). They also swim into walls to commit suicide.
Disgusting interview. I expect more than this in an interview Roach.
@@EPSTomcat11 100%
Seaworld is to blame, and people like you who continue going there which keeps them in business.
Dawn's injuries: Brancheau was badly bruised, cut, and scraped. Her left elbow and left knee were dislocated. She had multiple broken bones, including ribs, her jaw, and her neck. Her liver had been torn open and her scalp was ripped off. So was her left arm.
Yeah that sounds like an accidental killing, just an orca playing.. Are you kidding me?
Orca's stay with their mother for the rest of their life, in big pods with the rest of their family. They are caught around 18 months olds and torn from their mother.
Their food is withheld so they have to do those tricks in order to get food, if they don't listen, they don't get any.. Don't say they are happy and do it on their own free will.
They are in a bathtub size pool with chlorine and other chemicals, that burn their eyes, they stress out and chew on the concrete. They scrape eachother because they don't speak the same language as the other orca's, because they are not from the same pod.
Stop defending this abuse and stop blaming Dawn.
You abuse these orca's and they act out, that's what happend. It's not Tilikum's fault for being abused and used, for more than 30 years.
What you said. Animals/mammals belong out in the wild!
Just idiots humans think its ok to capture whales out of ocean and put them in a bathtub. This guy is so pro seaworld and money motivated
Maybe you should stop saying orcas are taken from the wild at 18 months old. Chlorine and other chemicals, cite sources, blackfish peta and clearly people who would rather see the animals dead do not count.
Facts
Svi unutrašnji organi su joj bili zgnječeni, polomljena kost- sternum. I kad je konačno uhvaćen- i dalje je besno mlatio njenom rukom.
I kad je koleginica uspela izvući njen torzo iz usta orke Tilikum- Dawn je bila bez kose, a on je i dalje haotično mlatio sa njenom rukom.
Ne znam dal' je dobio doručak tog jutra, dal' je bio drogiran. I zašto je Sea World kupio osvedočenog ubicu i dao ga jednoj vrsnoj sportistkinji, punoj života i ljubavi?!
He played with her to death?? He basically saying tilikum didn’t realise he was killing her. To suggest these whales aren’t 100% aware of their actions is complete lies. They are far too intelligent for captivity. I see they’re still pushing the ponytail point and blaming Dawn for having her hair like that. That’s so disrespectful to her.
her autopsy said her hair was ripped off
well a 10000 pound animal vs 145 pound woman yeah
I have seen friendly, trained, labrador who "killed" yorkshire by lay on him while they were playing. He is inteligent, but he is just creature that also make mistakes as we all are. There is no one to blame.
Do you have the slightest idea of how many tons an adult male killer whale weigh? Humans are literally feathers.
@@winterpurple4587 and still there are people that thinks that trainers are destroying whales health by waterwork.
If Tilikum was left with his family, Dawn would still be with hers
Killer whales are arguably the most intelligent animals on earth after humans, don’t insult my intelligence by telling me he was just playing with her too hard and didn’t realize he was hurting her. He was probably depressed, angry, hungry, etc...saw an opportunity for some payback and took it.
Yep. So many studies have shown their brains are several times that of a human when it comes to empathy and emotion etc.
"He was probably depressed, angry, hungry, etc.."
sorry but I think that's just you, projecting your own feelings about life.
@@billyb4790 you can make the same argument about people saying the whale was just having fun and playing too hard.
you sound so misinformed with nonsense. sorry you can’t accept the truth
It has been shown again and again and again and again that Dawn was grabbed by the arm, not her ponytail. Saying that it was her fault or that she didn't follow the proper procedures to deal with Tillikum is offensive. How dare you blame her! I'm not saying it was Tillkum's fault; he was a traumatized whale, but it was also NOT Dawn's fault.
You're right. It's Seaworld's fault for having him in the first place.
Those tapes were sealed. Where was it shown?
She was not supposed to be with him w out a spotter, and not in the water.
@@daniellef7811 It is shown on a tourist video.
@@Jazzywazz I thought those rules were put in place after she was attacked.
This interview made me so angry. I can’t believe after all this time they’re still trying to push this obviously false narrative. Some people will never change.
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before I address you, may I ask your personal pronouns?
Wait a minute. On one hand you tell me how intelligent Orcas are, but on the other hand you tell me that Tilikum didn't know that he was killing her. Not convincing.
Exactly. Can’t have it both ways.
👍👍😂😂 Exactly. The, think we are stupid. Comparing domesticated animals like dogs and horses with orca's is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. And Mr However there are already rescue stations for elephants and tigers. Don't give us that shit.
Oh now it's gotten better before it was worse. 🙈🙈🙈🤣🤣
Orcas are extremely intelligent , and if you watch the Netflix doc Blackfish , youl understand why he made that comment, tilikum was treated really bad , from bullying from the pod ,starved ,medicated kept in isolation for 18 to 20 hrs a say in a metal box that he couldn't even turn around in .... . Not to mention what actually happend that day , Dawn asked him to do something ,he was in the middle of doing it when she commanded him to come back but he missed the cue and continued to finish the act , when he returned for his reward , Dawn didn't give him the fish , she ran out of food at the end and was still asking him to perform ...... you should watch it , tilikum was just as much a victim as Dawn was , God rest her soul 🙏 ❤
@@Nickadee most fair comment and accurate 🙏👍
This guy's full of it! No-one can say definitively what the orca was "thinking"/meant to do or not do. They're not humans, they're wild and unpredictable *animals.* Whatever the orca's reason for doing what he did, only one thing is for sure---if he wasn't part of a *show* in which he was kept captive and "trained" to do tricks as part of a moneymaking *entertainment* business *it would not have happened.*
I just Disagree with the assumptions that keeping these whales in captivity is a good thing. It is not a good thing. It will never will be a good thing.
How shameful! To sit there straight faced and lie and lie. He was not playing. He aggressively killed her. Her entire scalp was pulled off and the autopsy says she was hemorrhaging. So she was alive when this was happening. He simply lost his temper much like a person would do when they’ve been abused for decades. Boycott sea world!
Yes!!! I'm so happy there are people who know and speak the truth! It's insulting for this man to bold face lie and it's insulting to Dawns and Tillys memory.
Agreed
I am completely behind you 💯 PERCENT.
Well then you don't understand Dawn's legacy. Blackfish is an awful movie that lies to you. All of Dawn's family said that they will not support that movie because of how falsely it portrays Dawn and her relationship with the whales. Her family continues to visit Sea World daily because they know the truth and her love to help the whales. She would never on her life work for an organization who mistreated animals. Especially for 16 years.
@@Taushathetech the same goes for our ancestors who domesticated the wolf, cat, horse, cattle, chickens, hogs, parakeets, toucans, snakes etc. . Maybe we should just let all pets and farm animals go and let them live out in the wild. Like they should and then we hunt them like we should. I'm willing to do that again are you?
What ??!!! No one said tillikum was crazy, no he was kept in a tiny pool and went crazy like any creature that size would ! Not the whales fault not Dawn’s fault but absolutely sea worlds fault no matter the ‘pony tail” excuse. He grabbed her by the arm! That was already proven in court
Of course that’s your response , no research or facts just blindly repeating the captivity theory . That’s all we hear from the activists . The evil seaworld , never mind what all the money poured into animal care and rescue . But it’s ok to use the posterchild for seaworld to promote their cause , even though it’s clearly nothing she believed in, so let me get this straight , your making comments about Seaworld , when these activists and Blackfish , came out and used her death ( with serious misleading facts )to promote their theory cause that’s all it is .
Seriously can’t stand these activists , they single handedly destroyed seaworld , and they used seaworlds poster child to do it . I can’t stand you activists , I’ve tuned you out for years as everyone else did and when you couldn’t get people to listen to your theory , you did far worse than seaworld , you used a woman’s death to get your voice heard . And it’s literally nothing she believed in , Disgusting ! Ignorant that’s what they are , god forbid you actually hear what others are saying but as I stated before they really don’t care about them it’s all about getting their voice heard . There way is the only way and I think pretty much sums up PETA , he just said above , they would rather slaughter an entire heard of elephants instead of them live in captivity. I think that speaks to the level of intelligence of these fools , it’s their way or the highway , and again not about the welfare of these animals one point to get there voice heard , how else do you explain for years them crying how the orcas got taken from their families just to turn around destroy seaworld and take away the only family they had , no it’s these obnoxious people that literally ruin everything with their negative actions . Again I’ve tuned these fools out before . It is nothing more than their stupid theory , it’s not scientific fact , theory but keep flapping your gums and listen to no one and here is a question it’s stated no orcas in the wild attack humans , wrong there is not a ton of cases but there are some . Diver being literally dragged to the bottom of the ocean , but he set himself free thank god. So tell me all you foolish activists kind of doesn’t hold true to your captivity theory . Should we just let all the animals go free them to the world , nothing more than ignorant haters that destroy it for everyone else . How about this educate yourselves and this is not scientific proof nothing but your obnoxious theories . It’s time to tune you freaks out!
@@debbielorenzo8051 ripping a baby from its mother, yea we’re just fanatical activists to have a problem with that 🙄
what I will never understand is why 90% of the anti captivity arguments are about „big animals in too small cages or tanks“ How come that people who scream this into everyone‘s face don‘t give a sh**t about small animals in even smaller cages?!
Finally someone with common sense. I fully agree with you. A lot is wrong with how humans treat animals, whether they are from the water or from land. The fact that they blamed it on her hair, instead of taking the responsibility is gross. When financial consequences are attached to topics like these, a lot of people will ignore the damage we do to these animals and just keep on supporting animal cruelty. People only want to continue this behaviour because they like seeing them, not because they care about the animals' mental and physical health. I love seeing them too, but their wellbeing is wayyy more important than me "loving to see an orca". Hopefully, with generations, this way of thinking will disappear
Comparing domestic animals like dogs to killer predators like orcas was your PRIME time for demonstrating how Moro.nic you truly are. Bravo!!
Again: they think we are stupid. "it's all about the welfare of the animals" 😂😂😂
Sure they can compare with dogs, at least to some extend:)
Keeping a whale in a tiny shallow barren tank for decades is the same as keeping large dogs in a tiny barren kennel til they die.
No suprise they've already lost over 40 orcas in their 50+yrs in operation but I guess Hakuna-Matata right.
Ikr release your domesticated animals from captivity! 🤣 Like there isn't a difference between wild and domestic.
Anyone who's read the autopsy knows this was NO accident. Dawn had serious traumatic injuries and internal bleeding, she was even scalped. From multiple eye witness accounts Dawn was thrown into the pool by Tilikum who grabbed her arm. I don't believe Tilikum is a bad whale but he certainly knew what he was doing and likely killed her to take out his frustrations of being in captivity.
If Tilikum was so upset, why he wait 18 years to kill a trainer. If you use peta as your reference. PETA is against pet ownership and would take link away and kill him. So if you fell off him then he gets spooked and kicks you in the face and causes a brain bleed is that no accident?
official report said ponytail, that was also the conclusion of what happened after witnesses, footage, and everything. stop your activist bull crap
While I agree that Tilikum wasn’t an evil whale and probably didn’t mean to really hurt anyone; but when this guy mentions that Dawn was pulled in by her ponytail, you completely lost me because that is a FLAT out lie.
In addition, these whales do not deserve to be stuck in a pool. They deserve to be in the ocean!!
I have no idea if she was pulled by her ponytail or not. I was not there
And I agree with you that most whales belong in an ocean. But I can make the same argument about horses, dogs and cows. They belong to be free as well. But nobody is willing to give up their pet dog. It’s the same thing.
Horses should be running free but most are locked up in stables and people make profits off of trading, selling and competing with those horses. Why aren’t you angry with that as well?
@@randyrauch who said I wasn’t for releasing horses back out to the wild?
You assumed that based on my comment? First and foremost, my comment was specific to whales because THIS video is about sea world and the Orca that killed Dawn. So that’s why my comment was about that. Stop assuming intentions.
Secondly, I am very much against the abuse against cows, chickens, and other animals that are used for entertainment, food consumption, and clothes.
@@Jeissecastillo U want all horses to be released back in the wild? Pause for a moment this thought and come back to me when u have time to think rationally.
@@Jeissecastillo and not to mention horses/dogs were domesticated to LIVE with humans for many thousands of yrs which nowadays thrive in our way of life. But not whales whom were taken from the ocean and locked in tiny barren pools since the 60s. Hence why this corporation has lost over 43/62 exclude stillborns whales (wild/born) in their 50 or so yrs in operation, most die before 25yrs old vs the average wild of 50+yrs, so obviously there is something very wrong with keeping them in barren confinement. There are just some species of wild animals that do not THRIVE in captivity and whales are just one of them.
@@randyrauch Comparing an apex-predator like an orca to a horse or a house cat is ridiculous. Also, it matters that she wasn't pulled by her ponytail, as that's a lie SeaWorld pushed at the time to blame her for her death.
"...born in captivity, and survived.." That says it all. In captivity, all creatures can only survive. But surviving is nowhere near living life to the full. This guy says he "loves animals, and growing up had tanks in his bedroom". Totally controlling them is not the same as loving them.
Said it all
I will NEVER NEVER pay ANYONE to look at these majestic animals being imprisoned and TORTURED.. He can spin this however he chooses so he can sleep at night but the facts are Orcas life spans are cut in half if they are lucky. It’s not right.. I hope everyone stops funding torture…
You know Lolita at Miami Seaquarium her mother is still alive, her name is Ocean Sun and she's estimated to be 93 yrs old
Seaworld must stop and close the doors forever
I wouldn't go to one of these shows if it was free!!!
@@raphmaster23 You Just Don't get it. REALLY??
@@raphmaster23 WOW 😲 LOL
He's still lying about the "hair/ponytail" Tilikum wasn't playing. Tilikum was angry about the idiotic training methods called operant conditioning and the specific part of operant conditioning called the LRS. You should have me on your show. I'll explain everything. I am a biologist who has invented a new theory of behavior to replace the flawed one that Sea World was operating under (Operant Conditioning) which holds that you "ignore" aggression. They did ignore aggression. Over and over, hundreds of times, before it caught up with them. They got away with it because they controlled the narrative and they blamed the trainers when aggression occurred, just like your boy Thad did after the incident. He blamed Dawn. It wasn't Dawn's fault. It was Skinner's fault. I'll explain. I'm in California. I'll also explain my new theory. Money Mike. Out.
I’m watching Blackfish right now and I specifically wanted to look up this Thad guys name because I was so disgusted with how he placed the blame on Dawn. Seaworld is a corrupt organization and needs to be shut down. Sued first by anyone affected by their disgusting lack of human compassion...and then shut down.
Thad should be ashamed of himself.
Yes. Respectfully totally disagree with Thad. Thad said “...some of those parameters weren’t met, I don’t think.”. That’s untrue. I wonder how much he got paid to say this.
“Seaworld was doing it right” hahaha. Absolute rubbish.
They are taken from their mothers very young. This is extreme trauma for an intelligent creature that has an excellent memory and relies so much on it’s mother.
Killing whales and torturing a sentient being in a small enclosure for years are 2 very different things.
Absolutely appalled with this interview. I expect more than sycophantic remarks in an interview. No lip service please.
There IS so much stress in their lives. That’s why their dorsal fins droop (doesn’t occur in the wild except in very very very old whales). They also swim into walls to commit suicide.
Disgusting interview. I expect more than this in an interview.
Dudes nuts. Who rides a whale and teaches walruses to high five? I'm naming my band Tillicum.
her autopsy said her hair was riipped off
@micjael Patton 👍👍💜💜 God thank you, too. I could punch in the screen. These dirty liars. You know much about training, that's good. And comparing a dog with an orca 🙈🙈
Years later, ALL aspects of this story are still SO DISTURBING!!! Both the keeping of the Orcas in captivity AND Dawn’s death.
Ikr it’s all so sad and nobody ever speaks on any of it!!!
@@steviewilliams7248please...its very sexy to be an anti cap activist now.
Sadly it's sexy to be an anthropromorphizing moron who think whales have human moral systems.
He was NOT playing. It was a calculated attack. He wasn't evil; but he was intentional.
He had already killed 2 other people look it up on Google
@ Yup. He knew exactly what he was doing. Even down to targeting a seasoned trainer. He was sending a message.
Whale was not trying to kill her. Well for not trying to do some thing he did a Hell of a job doing it.
It’s a whale. It would not take much effort at all to kill her. He could easily be playing with her and kill her. Dogs, horses and all kinds of domesticated animals accidentally kill even their owners. They don’t mean to. They’re not necessarily viciously trying to kill the one that feeds them. Think about it.
Yep I believe he wasn’t trying to kill her. Was possessive of her wanted to play with her
Tilikum didn’t pull her in by the pony tail. He did a counter clockwise spin and pulled her in by her arm.
her autopsy said her hair was riopped off
@@SHERRYNYCREACTS Was this something you enjoy reporting, since you have repeated it under each comment about her hair ?
@@SHERRYNYCREACTS Yes. He dismembered her while alive. She tried to still get out then. He also scalped her. Took the whole thing right off.
Bingo!
@@SHERRYNYCREACTS her arm was ripped off too I saw a picture of him with it in his mouth and it was fresh. Someone said when she was scalped she had already stopped bleeding out because her heart was no longer pumping blood. And your head bleeds way more than any other part of your body so there's no way he pulled her in by her ponytail. That's SeaWorld trying to subtly blame the victim for the attack.
I never heard someone blame Tilikum for what happend. I don't know what he's talking about. Tilikum is the last one to blame on that matter.
And no activist blamed him! The only people to blame are those who were responsible for the capture, the captivity conditions etc.
He should be freed decades ago! If not into the wild, then into a sanctuary facility!
He shouldn't be there in the first place!
Her arm was ripped of amongst multiple brutal and horrific injuries based on her post-mortem
You lost me at, "I wasn't there that day."
He killed a few people. He should have never had interactions with trainers. He was insane from years of cruelty. This guy is a big liar
1. Ponytail story is a lie. 2. In their natural habitat killer whales can easily become 100 years old, most animals in Sea World captivity don't even live for half as long, I wonder why that is🤔 3. Lots of female animals have regular miscarriages because of stress, lots of medication in their food and so on (for those not believing that, just look up 'how are animals treated at sea world' on google and you'll find lots of stuff that'll shock you) 4. Comparing wild animals like killer whales to house cats is probably one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. 5. Killer whales need space, they need freedom to live a long and happy live (btw Tilikum was taken from the ocean at age 2 after the animals mother was shot by a harpune and Tilikum didn't want to abandone his dead mother) 6. Killer whales are very intelligent animals, so they know when their treated badly and attacks like the one with Dawn are expressions of their frustration and stuff. 7. Have you ever seen a killer whale in the wild doing even slightly similar movements and stunts they have to do at Sea world? You really think that's normal and the want to do those tricks? 8. There are several former trainers from sea world who openly say that they were part of a system and organization that treated their animals horribly and made their lives miserable
Everyone who goes to killer whale shows and similar events is not a friend of animals because you can't go there thinking ' oh those animals most love living in way top small aquariums, doing completely unnatural movements in shows they have to do several times a day. All of my points can be looked up and are facts.
her autopsy said her hair was riopped off
@@SHERRYNYCREACTS this is true. Several eyewitnesses said he grabbed her by the arm, which was also ripped off.
Fact is, Without seeing the video neither you or I could say what happened for sure.
Until today is only one killer whale known living for 100 years in wildlife.
Except the eyewitnesses said tilikum rammed her. She had major fractures.
You're right Yvonne, Tilikum also reportedly consumed her arm as well. This is public information why is this not being checked before the interview? Dawn passed of initial blunt force trauma to the head, limbs, and torso. That's why there was no blood in the water, because she was sent into shock prior to being taken under the water. Tilikum charged her first and as stated by a witness "she was sent flying through the water". 12,000 lbs hitting her square in the center of her body. You guys knew you were gonna talk about Dawn, like what the hell?
@@makali13 She didn't "pass". She was killed, and she died. Tragic, but real.
@@kelrogers8480 I used that word in order to be respectful. But thanks for pointing out the obvious ig.
@@makali13 you people are so pathetic, try hards....you have 0 clue what your talking about you don't like a whale being in captivity an if they weren't you would be saying the poor chickens being killed has to stop they are just treated horrible blahblablah
YEP.
Keeping a killer whale in a swimming pool and forcing it to perform for basic food is not the answer. We need to protect our oceans, stop taking healthy marine mammals out of the wild and build sanctuaries for the ones in captivity. It could be like Safari Park but the marine version in which people can see them at a distance, admire and respect them. I don’t understand why marine parks like Sea World won’t even consider it.
He didn't even drag her in by her ponytail idk why SeaWorld keeps trying to stick with that. Her ponytail was clearly pushed to the other side. There are pictures of that plus her arm in his mouth. He scalped her later and there was no blood at that point because her heart had stopped.
Agreed. They also changed the story. At first they said she fell in, then when they realized witnesses were saying she didn't they changed the stor and started saying the whale grabbed her hair. Theyre lying to protect that vile sideshow Seaworld. Witnesses definitely state that the animal grabbed her by the arm or the side of the waist. None said hair.
o.k. i actually caught this tool box lying, at about 11:47 - he's talking about how he believe's all animals parks will be fazed out in the next 50 years, bla bla bla. As he says ''i hope i'm wrong'' he shakes his head left to right as to really be saying no, when he's supposed to nod his head up and down which is what a truthful person would have done trying to say yes. It's a common body language mistake people make when they are lying. It's actually not a mistake, it's just that body language does not lie, and his clearly did in that moment right there. There's plenty of other tells this tool is giving up, that's just an easy one i wanted to point out, go check it out!!
I can't believe that in this day and age we are still saying that it is important to keep wild animals in captivity for our learning purposes. Decades ago perhaps. Bringing magnificent animals, like the killer whale, to our attention in this way, "MAY" have shown us how incredible they are and that they should be protected, (along with the planet that we share with all nature). Now we have so many ways to study these animals in their natural habitat. We don't need to rip them from their families, and cause irreparable damage to them, to "learn" about them. These captive whales are used as money makers, and to allow some people to feel that they have control over something as amazing as an apex predator, and that is the problem in a nutshell. The "killer" whale is a PREDATOR. Tilly did what he was born to do. He wasn't being malicious, (perhaps), but he knew what he was doing. These are amazingly intelligent beings. He was being a killer whale, that was meant to hunt, chase and play with it's prey, and live a stimulating life in the ocean with his family, even if it was dangerous. Saying the whales are safe and fed and should be happy is such crap. My dog has more room to roam on our farm than Tilly did in his pool. Dead fish is not the same as LIVE fish, and the chemical things that happen , (like dopamine production), for a whale when it hunts with his family is TOTALLY missing when being hand fed fish for doing tricks. Go ahead and tell a serious mountain climber that he shouldn't climb K2 because it's dangerous, or an olympic athlete that bobsleds that it's too dangerous and he/she should stay home, safe and sound. What do you think their response would be?
"LET ME BE FREE!!!!!! LET ME LIVE MY LIFE, dangers and all!!!! "
Unfortunately the captive whales can no longer be set free, especially if they were born in captivity, but if Sea World actually does care about animals, then STOP the breeding!!!!!!!!! No more whales in captivity being used to make humans wealthy. Stop supporting animal acts for the sake of the mighty dollar.
And an animal "sanctuary" is not the same as a circus, or zoo.
Do what's best for the animals for a change, and not the pocket book.
Wendy Mueller You my lady said it all. You have the same thoughts as I do. Very well said. It is so sad that these people don't understand why this is very inhumane. But I am glad you said what you said. There are so many stupid people in the world because they can't get it. 💯 Percent. I am totally with you.
@@coraleecossey3320 Thanks Coralee. 🙂It is always good to know that there are other people out there that care for animals and realize that perhaps we humans don't always do what's right by them. Especially when they can't speak for themselves, but their actions are very telling.
@@wendymueller8709 Anytime. I am a serious ANIMAL LOVER. ANY ANIMAL. BUT YOU SAID YOUR PIECE SO GOOD. SOME PEOPLE AREN'T QUITE THAT SHARP. LOL AND YOUR WELCOME.
How would you justify your opinion of Orca in captivity if you will not study them in a captivity environment? Orca was given the resiliency to live in a different environment. Do not worry
@@marialperez1773 Swimming circles in a swimming pool and performing tricks to entertain people, while making some people rich, is not my idea of living. I would not like to spend my entire life in one room. I would go crazy. Just like these beautiful living creatures do.That is my opinion
When you look at the autopsy report, would you think he still wasn’t trying to do anything bad? Not to be rude just asking.
A very traffic accident these magnificent creature are not here for our entertainment they belong in the sea
he may not have been, but if you read the autopsy report....its kind of hard to believe that
This is the same guy that said dawn is to blame and it was her fault. 🤦🏿♂️
stop the ponytail lie ... he grabbed her arm
Oh I'm sorry, we're you there? Do you know someone who was there? Do you have illegal access to the full video? No? Then stfu 😊❤
@@ulisesmarvelslet me guess your worked at sea world or you like sea world because only some that a fan would come out with some so stupid !!
From sea land to sea world? What a unesescarry trip Tilikum, you should be in the wild. thanks for your amazing services which should be practiced in the wild not in sea world, thanks for taking out your animal abusers and thanks for everything else. Your memory will forever be and may your whale spirit be with the mom who saw you be caught, you screamed you cried, humans lied… yet we still see the truth! RIP - Tilikum
So the killer whale didn't mean to kill Dawn? Oh right, because they had a special relationship, an understanding about one another? What was the understanding exactly? You keep me in pool for the rest of my life making me do tricks for fish and I promise not to eat you one day? Dude, you've been in the "jail" too long.
He grabbed her by the arm, not her ponytail . He was a tortured soul ever since they stole him from his pod, and used him mercilessly. Swim free beautiful Blackfish you deserved so much better…😡.
*This is disgustingly disrespectful!*
He didn't grad her ponytail. He grabbed her arm, ripped it of and swallowed it. This man is not trying to 'set the record clear', he's trying to push the blame on Brancheau to protect SeaWorlds reputation. Tilikum - the wale who killed her - isn't to blame at all, as even humans would get psychotic living under those disgusting circumstances. Please boycott sea world!
I hope the family sued sea world. The whale probably did this because he was stolen from his family and basically had to become a slave to humanity.
Actually dawns family still go to sea world and have the dawn branchaeu foundation marathon there.
First of all these whales are meant to be in oceans of water with their own kind. Imagine it the other way whales keeping us in tanks to play with would we be happy. Humans are so selfish
These guys are pushing the narrative that captivity is good. The host is the biggest hypocrite.
Well they do have a point. For educational purposes and conservational purposes it can be good to keep wild animals. That doesn't mean it should be orcas. That also doesn't mean they should be held in small tanks like in sea world. It's not black or white like the dumb American thinking is. Learn to think with a nuance.
I can't believe they keep saying that shit about captive animals "don't need to hunt" or "swimm for food" etc. !? As if it were a good thing.... I mean, that is what animals do in the wild.
This is a natural thing to spend their time!
If these people had their way, they would put these animals somewhere where they just exist and don't move otherwise. And then they would sell it to us as something good "because the animals don't have to move from the spot, we do everything they need, they dont have to move. It's enough if they breathe, blink and are simply present!"
It’s unfortunate that the killer whales that were born in captivity and wouldn’t stand a chance in open ocean. It’s a nice thought but, sadly there’s no way. The whale that played in free Willy, he went through a lot and a lot of people helped with his transition. At the end of the day he essentially died of sheer loneliness. Whales need their families and his family couldn’t be found. His only interaction was people keeping an eye on him with a tracker. Poor beautiful whale.
This dude certainly has alot to say for someone who wasn't there AT ALL...he needs to have several seats - that poor whale killed and maimed that poor woman. Free the whales
His whole story become untrue the minute he said that she was grabbed by her ponytail. We have all seen the video and he quite blatantly has her arm in his mouth. Now I cannot believe a word this man says!
Hi Do you know where i can find this video ive been searching for a while now. Thanks.
@@JenniferJacksonxminecraftlifex th-cam.com/video/EiT-FQVyoe8/w-d-xo.html this shows her hair was not in the orcas mouth but the rest of this video got banned.
How sea world handled this was pretty abhorrent. It really bothers me they want to deflect blame and outright lie about their type of captivity being unsuitable for the animals and dangerous for their employees so they can continue to put both in harms way. Time’s running out guys, people don’t think what you are doing is right anymore so you may as well try to change now.
Sadly tilikum was mentally traumatised from sealand long before he came to seaworld. Given his size & power,he would have made a great waterwork animal,similar to ulises at the san diego park. Dawns death was a tragedy & changed things forever.
I agree. According to what I read about Tilikum, he was bullied pretty badly by the other whales he was with before Sea World.
This dude is such a company man.
There is no defence in keeping these creatures in captivity. Lies , he grabbed her by the arm.
Have any of yall who are so opposed to the orcas being at places like SeaWorld watched a documentary or read anything about Keiko, the killer whale from Free Willy? He died not long after being released, and that was after months of training him to catch live fish and being in a huge tank, and then a cove I believe. He never could fit in with a pod, and tried to interact with humans still. After watching Blackfish I looked at places like SeaWorld completely different, but you also cannot just release these animals into the wild and expect them to survive. Sadly, Keiko's life story proved that.
Maybe you should re-read the information. He spent 2 years being rehabilitated in Oregon, in a much much larger tank, where he finally got healthy and gained two thousand pounds. Then he spent 4 years in Iceland, in what you call a cove, to learn how to live in the ocean. THEN he left on his own and traveled to Norway, possibly following other orca. People may call this a failure because he never joined a pod (he never found his family), but I call it a success that he got to spend 5 years in the ocean with adequate space, catching his own food. Even if he had only had one day of freedom, it’s still better than being trapped inside a tiny concrete pool with not enough stimulation.
I don't blame Tillikum for her death. He probably didn't want to kill her if you believe eyewitness reports of him being shaken and confused after the attack.
He might have forgotten, if only for a split second, in his frustration that he is 50x her size, strength and weight and can break her like a stick figure. He probably accidentally hurt her when he let out his rage in a fency.
However, SeaWorld is to blame in all instances! Because they are imprisoning these creatures in completely sensory deprived miniature tanks making them bored, frustrated, depressed and needlessly aggressive.
Dawn and Tilly both paid with their lives for SeaWorld's animal exploitation.
How the hell can he ever say it was her ponytail every witness who was there said he grabbed her arm
Почему так вышла почему он сватил Доун.
Just remember folks the 'animal activists' they are talking about also include Marine biologists like Ingrid Visser and several others who don't want these intelligent beings in captivity.
In such a case where there going to be slaughtered then it is best to be in captivity. But for the orcas and dolphins I don't think there being hunted down except for places like Sea World for entertainment.
That’s where you are wrong! Look it up!
He dragged her around in the pool and chewed the schitt out of her for 45 MINUTES while he was trying to keep her safe and sound.
Close all marinelands, stop these stupid trainings, keep whales free.
Can't compare killer whales like Tili with domesticated dogs. You want to compare? Then how about with a wild captured wolf, just as Tili?
He wasn't "playing" with her, he is clearly frustrated and has put it all on this poor woman.
Who's to blame? The SW corporation for allowing trainers too close to a whale with no safety barrier that has history of killing people. Very sad and more so for this corporation to blame on her.
He is spreading the same lies, specially the ponytail blaming
Exactly he should be cancelled
Tilikum did a counterclockwise spin and pulled Dawn in by her arm. Just seconds after that clip of her.
I was lookin for a comment like this. The whole “he pulled her in by her hair” scheme has been debunked a long time ago. As soon as he said “I wasn’t there” I stopped watchin at the 3:55 mark. Ignorance at best. Also according to the autopsy, I thought I read that she had very little water in her sinuses & NONE in her lungs. She did not drown like he is sayin she did. Like why lie? Then to just blatantly lie at that is so disrespectful to her family
Dogs and cats are horrible examples. Cats basically domesticated themselves and chose to be around humans and become symbiotic by keeping rodents at bay while also being fed and loved by us. We bred dogs into existence and most would gladly stay with their humans if given the opportunity to be free. Both completely different situations than ripping animals that don’t voluntarily choose to be around us from their families and natural habitats for lives they weren’t meant to live.
I like to hear the story from whale side 😔
Comparing a cat and dog to an apex predator lowered his IQ drastically
Yes we’ve learned so much from them in captivity BUT they aren’t there for a performance. They aren’t for our entertainment. They need more space, they are a social family network. People saying ‘Black fish’ is one sided is because it is! We can all go out and do our own research and having done that I still think they shouldn’t be kept and used for our entertainment. Never should have.
We can learn more in 10 minutes watching an Orca Pod in the wild than in 100 SeaWorld shows!
Right. I mean what are you really learning about a wild animal kept in a distinctly unnatural environment?9
This man chats some serious shit
There’s no doubt in my mind that Tilikum was using Dawn as a toy. He had many opportunities to kill trainers including dawn and he didn’t. Hmmm
Sea world still paying him
Tilikum was drogged. This death was aranged for her. Someone didn't like her.
He specifically says over and over he wasn't there. So why don't they interview someone who was there?!?! He also kept on saying that they should have done waterwork with him. Well... Here's an idea. Put it back in its natural habitat. If it gets injured in the wild, it gets injured, don't put it in a confined space. It's ridiculous. He says if you keep animals in cages you have to do it right, SeaWorld does it right. Lies. Lies. SeaWorld doesn't do it right. SeaWorld can't even own up to the death of their trainers. I just hope that one day, someone will stop people from putting animals in cages. They belong in the wild. You wouldn't want to put humans in cages. Having to do a trick for a tiny treat. Not enough to feed you.
This man’s hubris disgusts me. To state that we could “repopulate the ocean” ; after everything dies from our polluting it; with animals raised by humans… is simply ludicrous. The solution isn’t simple but it starts with ceasing to view animals as put on the planet for our use and entertainment. Animals do not need to be trained!
Seriously, dude? You're still spouting that pony tail nonsense?! Tilly grabbed her arm, not her hair. 🙄
This interview makes me sick obviously SeaWorld is paying this guy off
I interviewed him. He doesn’t even work for Seaworld. He didn’t get paid for the podcast and he’s not getting paid by sea world.
Sure lets collect animals and wait for the polution to say we saved some speaceas 🤦♀️ stupid logic
Funny thing is killer whale's aren't in an danger in the wild.lol
The truth is… Tilikum thought Dawn’s ponytail was a TOY, so he grabbed it and pulled it down into the water, causing her to drown.
Why are we talking to someone who wasn’t even there?
I don’t believe it was any more Tilikum’s fault than it was Dawn’s! Maybe he wasn’t aggressive? He actually had killed 2 people by that point! Kelty Burn who this guy tells about and a man who broke into the Orca enclosure when the park was closed! Tilikum tore that man’s scrotum off! In the morning when the trainers arrived the man Daniele was draped across Tilikum’s back! Maybe he just had bad days? These are such magnificent social mammals, I find it very hard to believe that Tilikum or Orchid or Lolita or any of them have no memories of being with their pods! Who are their families btw. Generations of Orcas in pods as large as 30 or more. As smart as they are… we can always take care and or help them in their natural homes! In this case the deep blue sea.
Also the man that trained the dolphins for the flipper show has switched sides too! He said something that stuck with me.. “The Dolphin Smile Is Natures Biggest Deception! It Gives The Illusion That They Are Always Happy!” Hmm 🤔
This show and this guest are full of it.
Why do you say that? That does not make sense what you’re saying?
He almost bit her arm off. He meant it
Working with powerful animals you know the risk. Dawn knew the risk. Animals get frustrated just like people they have bad days. Tilikum probably either took play too far or lost his temper about a neutral training response and didn't hold back and be gentle with his trainer like he normally would (although tilli wasn't water trained). He killed her but he did not have malace intent. He was angry or overstimulated he killed her then not understanding what he had done kept a hold of her trying to decide what he was doing next. Animals act on instinct not malace intent the way people do. Tilikum is not to blame but neither is dawn.
Толька им извесна что произошло.
😂где были камеры воде почему рядом некаво небыла.
I agree with Mr. Thad Lacinak. I suspected it was Dawn's dry ponytail hair swaying before Tilikum, which looked like a toy or sea kelp, that seemed to be catching the whale's attention. This is an accident that no one would think would happen.
Youre wrong. Witnesses said the animal grabbed her on the body. This scumbag is blaming Dawn to protect that vile sideshow Seaworld.
Really. It sounds like both is trying to defend the wrongdoer. Keeping any animals, especially orcas, in captivity is very unnatural and stressfull for them. This leads to aggression and stress. No orca has ever killed a human in the wild. Only in captivity. Stop trying to defend what is wrong. Everybody can see what ur doing
I don’t think anyone is trying to defend anything. But if you’re going to say keeping orcas in captivity is wrong, wouldn’t the same be said about dogs kept in captivity? Dogs kill people all the time because they are stressed out and held captive in peoples homes, apartments etc. and what about every horse that is locked up in a stable? Is that fair to the animal??
i cant believe we still have to this day, peoples partly defending Sea World’s actions
It's bullshit for them even to have Tilikums trainers perform so called "dry work" (or non water work) with him. Dry work involves submersed ledges like the one Dawn Brancheau was pulled from, he could have easily pulled someone into the water by any area of the body, at any time during those shows. Dawn just happened to be the unlucky ones.
NEVER buy a ticket!
That Orga knew exactly what he did......how can you say the whale didnt know he was killing Dawn???? Doesnt make sense!!!!
Tilikum really was not aggressive he literally played with her to death but how he said when they tried to get her out he started to get aggressive, that's it it is the same as to try to get the favorite toy from dog's mouth. He loved her she was unique she made the animals happy.
Well said. I agree
He ripped her arm off and scalped her...that seems slightly aggressive
@@ryanlentz5918 that has not been proven. There are many interviews that say the opposite. Some by people that were there, and some by former employees and dear friends of Dawn’s.
@@jenileeann It's proven. Read her autopsy report, it's definitely a fact. He scalped her and ripped her arm off at the elbow.
love how comfortable you are in your world
He is right nobody says anything on how these animals are killed and butchered in the wild. Sometimes captivity is not so bad
Why did you have a killer whale in a tank for money to begin with? For the prices you charge for tickets, parking and merchandise we can go pay to see these beautiful animals in the wild where there are ZERO attacks reported from killer whales?
Honestly him saying he grabbed her ponytail is downright insulting to her. Most the the people who, y’know, we’re actually there, said it was by her arm. And because he knows people at sea world we’re supposed to take it at face value? They wanted yo save their bottom dollar by blaming it on her and he’s just falling in-line on that.
Excuse me!!! But the Japanese are gonna whipe out all the whales in the Ocean. That's where the real problems are.
The tragedy of Tilikum is worse. Dawn shouldn't have withheld food for performance. RIP TILIKUM
I'm basically listening to a zookeeper with all the technology we have today we can study animals in the wild captivity is not necessary the dorsal fin tells it all you don't keep a beautiful animal like that and a stone fish tank for years until its death
Thad do us a favor stop lying people are aware of the truth Tilikum was abused by you all and reacted accordingly
02:30-03:21 Tilikum was not a monster... Dawn would've never wished ill upon one of her favorite animals. 😍😍😍💖💖💖 This interview with Thad Lacinak, has been the best I've seen.
Don’t watch this….just block this channel. The host really said since people didn’t want orca in captivity anymore, we’re they also going to release their dogs and other pets. Dogs! Man best friend, who is happy, healthy, live full lives and happy to be apart of your family, domesticated, does not need to hunt etc Vs Orca who are meant to be in the wild, where they live around 60-100years old but only live to 13-30 in captivity. They don’t have enough space to get the exercise they truly need and their dorsal fins loses it collagen and just flap over. The chemicals in the pool water burning their eyes and causing skin diseases, they’re kidnapped at 1-2 years old from their mother and put to work if they want to eat. We know these mammals have stronger family structures than we do and their well being depends on that. Not only that but this disgusting old man is completely full of shit blaming Dawn for her own death “because she didn’t put her hair away”. This man is talking as if he’s the God of training and after he left certain protocols weren’t followed anymore….that even tho he retired he called and begged them to train the dolphin in water work because he knew he would kill someone blah blah blah. Y’all both full of shit and this channel sucks
This beautiful Orca should've NEVER been TAKEN from his true family, and still been alive today!..Tilikum was stolen from the sea and put in a small pool at an early age...Until we quit capturing these beautiful creatures from the wild, we will see more and more tragedies like poor Dawn endured and lost her life for in the end..I truly believe she loved this orca, and also believe she often imagined what his life would've been like had he never been stolen from his mother at such a young age..
'Some parameters were not adhered to' !!!! My goodness - what a twisted mind this chap has !
The whale was smart enough to track her specifically around the pool watching every signal and hand movement - and this guy says T was just 'playing with her' ?! And also that T caused all the injuries post mortem (after she died of drowning) as if he was not letting her go - what a twisted explanation. Wonder what this man has against Dawn in dishonoring her memory.
Great Interview! Thad is the man! For you'll saying that he is lying well you gotta look at the whole picture. If you see in the tourist video, you can clearly see that she's reinforcing him and btw food isn't the only reinforcement, and you can see other buckets that she has with him. So why would he attack her if he was being reinforced? See what i am saying?
It is insane to see the comment sections, clearly just going off sensationalised articles and Blackfish. Read the autopsy report before commenting - Dawn's arm was not ripped off and Tili didn't eat it. Witness reports - including Dawn's spotter - said it was the hair and it's not blaming Dawn. It was an accident. Everyone knew that.
The Blackfish trainers only came out to talk about how apparently bad SeaWorld was when Dawn died. They exploited her death for their own moment of fame. Thad has more experience than any person in this comment thread and he knows these animals the best. You don't. You didn't know Dawn, you didn't know Tilikum, you've just fallen for the propaganda and you think you're on some noble crusade while you exploit an incredible person's death.
The killer whales that are in captivity right now are loved and safe. Trying to free them would very likely kill them because they are not wild animals anymore. The best thing we can do is support ongoing improvement to facilities and continue to learn about them and support positive welfare. I used to believe in Blackfish until I realised how much of the truth was twisted. I work with dolphin welfare researchers now and work on improving lives of these animals instead of hating SeaWorld that has rescued over 40,000 animals and are involved in some incredible and vital conservation work - because of the revenue that comes from these animals being in human care.
“I wasn’t there, but this is what happened…”, definitely the wrong witness to make an argument.