One point you didn't touch on, that's potentially important: End scene with Vala. While her eyes are all crazy like, you can hear void whispers. They stop at the same time her eyes return to normal. I don't think this is some corpus tech. I'm confident that was Wally and not Parvos.
The story of Parvos granums rise to glory is also interesting, he was just working out in the field with his family until one day he heard a sound, "the wisper", describing it as a language of desire, one he understood by instinct, i dont know about you but there is no way that staying in the sun for so long can make you hear voices that give good life advice on becoming rich...
At the pace DE is developing this game I will have kids and my kids will have kids before I see the end to this story. I think even they don't know how the story will continue and end.
going to be honest , not finishing it is better than fucking it up though or going all over the place and heavy retconning like wow or other universes.
It's definitely not just some Corpus tech that made her eyes like that. She didn't have glowing eyes in any of the other scenes you could see her. And you can hear a bunch of whispers when she held her eyes closed
Also: high ranking members of the Corpus might have augmented vision (like a HUD or the video calls in Cyberpunk), but Vala is at least just a crewman, and at most a ship captain. So probably no where near high enough the ladder for that.
@@TheDsIEGE My question about Protea is, yes, she was custom-made for Parvos, but don't all WF's have to have an operator? Where's Protea's operator? Unless she's more independent like Excalibur Umbra and made like he was or very similarly to him.
Really great video as always. I do not think the voice difference can really be counted as evidence because Parvos changes his own voice in Deadlock Protocol. When you first arrive he sounds frail and weak and thankful. But when you get close his entire voice and demeanor changes. It seems to me that he was acting to get us closer so protea could scan us. When his voice goes back to normal it sounds very similar to his voice at the end of Call of The Tempestarii. But I do think something very fishy is going on with the man in the wall. He has been showing up more and more in recent story quests. And it is just a matter of time before what's truely going on is revealed.
The difference is the echo on his voice, especially once he finishes a sentence. Listen to them again and I'll bet you hear the difference. When he says sister... it's echo is much more severe.
@@TheDsIEGE true. It may just be for dramatic effect, or may be something else. But I do think that Parvos being the man in the wall in Tempestarii, is a very possible theory.
Man in the wall really sounding like Tzeentch the trickster, the changer of ways, the Weaver of Destinies, the Great Conspirator, the Architect of Fate, the Lord of Entropy, the Lord of Sorcery all names Tzeentch is know by
Something you need to remember also is that the quest was made to be chronologically sound for people who are new to the game, you can get the railjack starter pack currently so you can do call of the tempestari relatively early. before the chains of harrow even. It's why you don't see any tenno, it's the same for the heart of deimos (which I have said before, is the reason I believe the heart is tied to warframe powers and not tenno operator powers, much like how kuva is focused on tenno powers, while operator powers can somehow nullify kuva to an extent.) So if this is the man in the wall, it's a sealed man in the wall at the very least, maybe the granum void is where the man in the wall was sealed this whole time? With Parvos. He seemed quite mentally sound for someone who had not seen another "living" being for some time.
The Entrati guy did say he stopped doing Continuity because he was not sure if the one who came out of the void was him. Mayble the Parvos who was freed from Granum Void is not the same Parvos who was trapped there in the beginning.
I think that when you go into the void, you never leave. Our tenno never left the void, and are some kind of specter or whatnot. (Not sure the proper term here) I think the old tenno in the duviri paradox is us. Our actual, physical body. Whatever is on the other side is not the "true" us. We dont age, seemingly can't be killed, have powers, etc.
A man with the devil in his eye... sounds mighty familiar doesn't it? Who else is highly associated with strange eyes, the same eyes seen in Tempesarii's antagonist... Parvos in the void... Girl's got Wally's eyes... the Corpus worship the Void... I'm seeing a connection here.
Dear DsIEGE: it's people like you, people who love the game, who make me keep playing even after I achieved nigh everything achieveable.You care about the important parts. It's not about modding, not about rivens; that's a side quest and losing oneself in mechanics. You remember us why we started to play the game to begin with. Thank you for being. You remind us that this is not a farming sim, but anorther world we can indulge in. Much appreciated. Thanks to you, I will replay the story yet again.
so fun fact I damn near punched my mother while she was visiting, I didn't hear her come in then she said those 2 accursed words, I cannot describe the terror I felt
"There's a man on high with a devil in the details, and a golden plaque, I'm told He can theorize, he can speculate, the words that he can conjugate when you're sleeping in the cold below"
I was just thinking about something involving the eyes. When the Tenno displays these eyes, they have a different appearance based off of our alignment, Either dark, dull, or goldish. However, when we see other people show these eyes (ie Ballas and Vala) their eyes are somewhere between the dull and the goldish color. The color that displays for neutral or sun alignment. So why do we only see variation in the void eyes of our Tenno, and not other void touched? Regardless great video, hope all is well.
might have missed it if you mentioned it but during the rising tides quest when the man in the wall is on top of the reliquary drive i noticed he was missing a finger, thing is he is sitting on a finger so in the reliquary drive i now believe his finger is in there. intresting thing ive seen so far keep up the good work!
I have to give it to you. I really did not notice Parvos' voice after the cutaway sounded that echo-y, that different. That one detail is either an oversight, intentional direction change for Parvos, or a big big hint, some some sort kf Man-in-the-Wall hint. Good catch.
Could it be possible that the Granum Void is another void with its own "man in the wall"? An artificial one? Perhaps it's seeking to overthrow the void and claim it's power?
MAN on high", -(man in the wall)- "With the DEVIL" -(Tenno, as referred to by Ballas, and the Helminth, two being with deep understandings of what the Tenno really are)- in his EYE -(void eye, in veil proxima)-
I have a theory on Parvos: In his rise to power, wealth and creation of the corpus, he communed with a 'whisper'. This whisper led his ambitions and fueled him to go on. While at first, this might have been his subconscious self pushing him to go further, I believe that his exposure to the void (be it through space travel via void drives or otherwise) slowly allowed the man in the wall to creep in, and take control of a part of his psyche. Remember, at the end of the day Parvos is just... a normal dude, as far as warframe standards go. He is still vulnerable, or rather, more vulnerable, to the man in the wall than a being like say... a tenno, who was forged in the void and has developed a resistance to its maddening effects. perhaps Parvos is in an internal struggle, on one end the honorable and industrious working-man who inspired people to take and earn their place, versus the caustic insanity caused by the void, which only those with a truly singular purpose or were forged in the void might be able to resist.
Man in the wall is sort of a mystical creature. And mystical creatures usually take the shape/looks as per the person viewing them. And people usually would associate it with themselves since, you have been with yourself for the longest amount of time.
I just binged the whole series so far, totally worth it. One thing I wonder about though, is why you drew connections to Bloodborne in your earlier videos. Imean, sure, Oedon and Hey Kiddo seem similar enough in the way you described, but... why is it that I keep going back to another Void-dwelling adolescent with freaky eyes and a penchant for chaos, one from... Dishonored, perhaps?
9:06 I think that's actually onboard the Tempestarii. Mainly because our warframe is knocked to the ground near Sevagoth's shadow just before Corpus units board the railjack and surround the shadow. So shadow fights them off for you and at the end of the song when it's all over, your warframe comes around among numerous Corpus corpses. And I'd explain the floating guys with laser eyes as being sent by Parvos to aid Vala as she apparently was collaborating with him on her mission against the Tempestarii. I don't remember Parvos leaving the Granum Void at the end of the Deadlock Protocol bur rather lingering behind when the tenno gains the power to leave the Granum Void, so I wouldn't be surprised if the man with the golden hand at the end of CoT is actually Granum. His voice sounds the same even though you showed him talking in two different moods on two different tones.
The only issue I really have with this particular part of your theory is that this potentially takes away from parvos a core aspect of his character. That being the agency of building oneself up. He just seems more compelling if he is form of challenge to the void mans authority, in much the same way he challenged the orikin.
Hmm, i think the Temestari (possibly spelt wrong soz!) quest was supposed to be kinda confusiong and raise questions. I recons its supposed to highlight the fact that despite the tenno being the big shots and the ones in charge...all of our knowledge and abilities to act as a faction was in the lotus. But i also think she also served as a kind of void deterant. If we assume the the man in the wall isnt the only void based entity then the Lotus could have been like a Gate Guard as sutch, one of the things she was doing was keeping the war at a halt. forgive me if im wrong but after we team killed all the immortal smurfs why did the sentiants stop? Yes the orokin died but the 'Tenno Dogs' were still there...actually as i type this i think old Space mum hid us didnt she? Maybe they coulnd find us... Back to space guard Mum though, with her gone things like the ghost ship and void storms now begin to run amok. And if Granum really has been watching us then he knows that he cant just zap us away like some kids, he needs to fight freaky space magic with freaky space magic. Now with big Mumma going though her mid life crisis (i mean new outfit, attitude and is trying to re-live her youth...we should have done better on space mothers day guys) he can freely contact any void based peeps that fancy a deal. As for resiurces, he was basically made into a god like being by the current corpus right? I know he likes good old fashioned hard work, but currrent corpus worship him...and every boss man needs desposable minions (even we have spectors) I kind of hope that its not only 1 man in the wall kind of deal, otherwise its one bad guy that we know we most likley will never beat otherwise the game would technially have and end. Also as a last minuet side note..i got here 44 seconds after the video came out! Fastset i have watched a video! Now i need sleep.
Thank you for coming by!!! I appreciate your support and... here's the thing with the man in the wall. I'm still not convinced he's a bad guy, mainly something that has a specific goal he's trying to achieve. That could be domination but... it could also mean he's just trying to understand this existence and is doing what he feels is best for it. That's the thing... there's a lot of evidence both ways if you ask me.
I guess with that ending of TNW you are right. SPOILER: . . . . . . Lotus was basically an amp to close that portal in the sun, right? She canalized our power in that moment.
If time travel is possible, is there a possibility that Parvos actually IS the man in the wall ? A "futur Parvos" who came back in the past, waiting in the void for Albrecht Entrati to open it for the first time. And the "twin" he saw was actually an advanced Specter made by Parvos ?
I think the colors in the background of the various places in the void are not relevant. Because the void was described as having many shifting colors. So the background color is probably only thematic and aesthetic. However I do agree that Parvos seems to have a strong connection to the void. Who knows maybe the ‘voice’ that initially guided him to found the corpus was the man in the wall or him developing some kind of void connection. And it allowed him to hold onto his sanity. But if that makes him a quasi tenno it raises another question. Could there be others who, while never being inside the void directly, have some kind of void connection. Kind of like radiation. The orokin made widespread use of the void and technology based off on its existence. Could it be that one of the things the entrati worry about is that people are still in the material world exposed to the void, and by extension the man in the wall?
Also random thought with absolutely no proof at all- I think Wally change change forms, but I do not think he can change his eyes. Window to the soul kind of thing. He could turn into a purple monkey but he would still have the creeper eyes.
I was on my railjack and the man in the wall showed up and said, "We must be careful, someone is watching." I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist. Have you encountered that? Is that eluding to yet another party we have yet to see?
idk if it's me, but other than being very sure that the hand reaching out to her isn't parvos, the outfit resembles something more a kin to nef's outfit with the shimmering blue flowy bits, in contrast to parvoses dusty red outfit, the person reaching out to her looks more like one of the corpus status of parvos than the real parvos, as if it what she saw him as but not what he really was I've been playing this game for 8 years now and still feel like there are things about the void, the orokin, the corpus and the underlying lore around how the events between the old war and current time went down that it makes me feel like a noir detective who finally lost it and has a full office of pictures and red string.
Is very weird because if this is the man that you say... thats means that he can take the form of an other person than you, a loved one person someone that you care and have respect.. Im pretty sure that a big step on the story. Because imagine if one day the man on the wall just come to as lotus.
Could also just be that DE isn't making anything out of it other than "we've got nothing so let the player base speculate with this". The quest was too short and felt like just an excuse to get a new warframe out. It could also be that unless her eyes were shown earlier in a cs prior to the final one we see, that if the Corpus do indeed implant tech into their bodies, her eyes could be light sensitive like in Pitch Black and that's why she was keeping them shut as much as possible. Her eyes remind me of Riddick's eyes.
I have not played this quest yet but I am familiar with the man of the wall and at this clip 3:24 not sure who he is but his eyes glow red and looks very similar to the figure that sits onto of the wall. Just going off of his head piece.
So, a thought came to me today, though it is pretty far out there and is most likely wrong...but, is it possible that the 'younger' Tenno we see in the Duvari Paradox is actually 'The Man in the Wall' helping them directly?
Maybe she was a Spector? Hence the eyes and the awkwardness of her movement. What if the parvovs hand are actually Spector Tech of the Entrti hand. Would explain the void travel ability (it's just stylish as a gold hand.) Why would Gramin want to stay in his sanctuary after being rescued? Why do abused dogs seek refuge in they cages once free.
Really hoping that the sisters we fight drop some little lore tidbits in their dialogues and not just be like the liches taunting. Not sure if you find this interesting but one of the descriptions for one of the Perrin sequence railjack crewmembers you can hire mentions that they were terrified of the stories of Parvos Granum. I guess some Corpus find Parvos to be more of a boogeyman.
So the man in the wall might be playing all sides. If he is, does he just want to see who will come out on top of does ha have a plan for someone in particular to succeed? And, either way, does anyone have any hope of stopping whatever he’s up to?
Again, it's possible DE just didn't include his face because they knew they'd be selling Railjacks for plat, and a MR 6 doing Tempestari before Deadlock would be confused.
Im pretty sure you HAVE to complete deadlock protocol to even START tempestarii. If you just do rising tide, you cant do the tempestarii quest, as deadlock protocol IS a requirement.
Isn't is curious how the man in the wall uses eyes as a symbol of his control over people. Always a dark red-brown color. Yet Lotus only has that hue over her helmet in the New War memory scene. I would also like to bring up that Lotus is taking the shape of Margullis (spelled tht wrong srry). So shouldn't she be blind? Her eyes even in sentient form resemble the grey-blue hue of people completely blind. Yet she is called by her brother "she who can see into the void" Why does she even have that helmet in the first place? And why is the man in the wall always drawing us to it, clearly either by Natah herself or with the help of the helmet, Lotus has great power. Also is the only reason Lotus can't easily be influenced by the man in the wall, is because she is "blind"? Why can't we see Lotus' face when she is taken by Ballas but everytime she attacks us we can? I think Lotus did not go willingly or at the very least she has an overall plan cause she knows that it isn't the real Ballas. How did he get so disfigured from the Sacrifice quest, to the New War, what happened between then?
Brothers & sisters below...So far we've met only 1 brother,Parvos and he was trapped.Not sure where he is now.The sisters are coming back but where are other brothers?Btw,how goes the deciphering sevagoth's msg?Hope your health is improving,welcome back :)
Well it never happened to the people outside of it when we where in the granum void it was a crack in time where time never passed so that’s why it seems to others outside of it that nothing ever happened
Damn, that's a really good question. I mean... don't we really HAVE to examine everyone at this point as possible dopplegangers? This story could get crazy.
Let me guess: You are intenting to seek, search, find and understand Life. Therefore, the most known and general questions that you have been asking for are: 1 - What is the meaning in Life? 2 - Who are we? 3 - What is the point of our existence? Am I correct man?
do u think DE knows/considers what they're adding to the game lore-wise or can it be all coincidences and we are just reading between the lines (sheets)
It could be either. I'm seeing tons of parallels and they could be doing it purposely, as it will provide a nice twist at some point that many people won't see coming but... it could also be that they just like using the same story beats over and over because they are getting dry creative wise. Only time will tell, but the similarities exist nonetheless...
Just going to toss this out there, is it possible that the Man in the Wall appears to people as the person they trust most? What makes this one case different from previous interactions being it's literally the first time he has appeared to someone that trusts someone other than themselves for a change? Everyone else The Man in the Wall has appeared to has had *very* good reasons for not trusting anyone else after all.
That's what I think. I think he comes in whatever form he feels he can have the most effect. To the tenno and Albrecht he may have wanted to try to make them a bit uneasy as they were both very impressionable. For someone like the lotus... Appearing as say... Ballas might be a bit more useful.
@@TheDsIEGE That makes the most sense, unless of course he has limitations we aren't yet aware of. Such as only being able to take the specific forms limited by their having been touched by the Void, or if he is only able to eco what someone has said requiring him to use that specific form as though splicing bits of audio together. Or it could be dependent on his connection to the individual. Many possibilities for this kind of thing since his domain is memory.
@@TheDsIEGE I apologize for the double post, but something occurred to me today in how this could fit in with that odd bit of dialog after the incident with Umbra. Is it possible that the reason he seems to push the memories you experienced as being yours could be because in his thinking they are? I mean, could it be that if memories are his realm and how he communicates, then experiencing the memories of another person makes them as 'real' as if they were your own as far as he is concerned?
@@kenju2268 Could be... Tough to say. Hopefully some of this stuff will start to flesh out a bit more over the coming months. A new "big" quest would be really nice, I have to say.
SPOILER: Tell me if I'm wrong, but when TMITW was on top of that giant thing laughing, wasn't them a person using operator's suit and Lotus's helmet? And that was the first time they appear to two living being at the same moment, right?
I'm still completely blown away how some of you see this literally seconds after I hit the publish button, but I thank you for your dedication for certain!
@@TheDsIEGE I am always happy to see your interpretations of the lore so far! Also perhaps Parvos's great intellect and success is part of a bargain he made with Wally. After all he is a man with the devil in his eye.
@@TheDsIEGE probably not his true form. Maybe a first attempt at making himself a host in the material world outside of the void? I have been watching Smough's lore theories as well and Wally seems to want to destabilize the mind of us tenno. Very similar to how the Grineer Queen was trying to take over our body for continuity. It sounds like Wally wants his new vessel to be strong and hollow ready for him to take it.
Just thought of a theory what if the Natah and Marguilis are the same person not 2 minds in 1 body but 1 mind turned into an alter ego by Ballas If you want to discuss this in more detail we can discuss this on discord : SUPREME SHENRO #7708
Awesome... but incredibly busy. I got a new job, my dream job and have had to take some time to get myself acclimated with it. But... I wanted to get this video out for ya cause I know it's been a bit!
I feel more disconnected from your pov. My account (500 logins 2018 start) got jailed for 15 years because of antidiversity policies of my own. I since replayed the game and have chosen a fully white questline. I don't think my questline was (with all due honesty) at all grey, but I chose to appease the current timelines rules of Godliness. Acceptance of my failure to comply was the first step and adherence to the ideals of my overlords, as of current, DE is inevitable. Interestingly I find myself, at least today, not seeing your truth as I did in the grey space of my first timeline. I feel I was clouded by the algorithms inherent bias to promote players to maximize their efforts and in my reset, it was more careful to see me as I am before suggesting I work hard or (god-forbid) grind. The main point is, however, I now have a woman in the wall; she is kind of less scary and I'm not sure her eyes are as black/glassed as you have seen them from your entities. tbh I now respect LGBTQIA+ a lot (less) if that was ever possible. They took away access to the trinkets and illusions I worked on for 2 years ± I will never go back, they stole my child from me, all is dead to me that I loved. Their mistakes will cost them a double portion The opinions; diversity; abominable If you decide that the Black is too much find my light, my dude, find my light. I work as the blackest white searching for the whitest black tolerable. In our grey sin I pray may we steal ourselves from the abyss.
One point you didn't touch on, that's potentially important:
End scene with Vala. While her eyes are all crazy like, you can hear void whispers. They stop at the same time her eyes return to normal. I don't think this is some corpus tech. I'm confident that was Wally and not Parvos.
The story of Parvos granums rise to glory is also interesting, he was just working out in the field with his family until one day he heard a sound, "the wisper", describing it as a language of desire, one he understood by instinct, i dont know about you but there is no way that staying in the sun for so long can make you hear voices that give good life advice on becoming rich...
Wally be like: invest on bitcoinnnnnn... but not too long, shit's gonna crash hard
At the pace DE is developing this game I will have kids and my kids will have kids before I see the end to this story. I think even they don't know how the story will continue and end.
teh vision dies with the Og director; it may never finish
going to be honest , not finishing it is better than fucking it up though or going all over the place and heavy retconning like wow or other universes.
this is not so bad to have long story i like the story of warframe and it will be good to never end not soon at least
Then your grand kids will have kids Then it ends about 2113 lol
Bruh I just noticed vala’s shoes. The hell are those things lmfao
Standard Scrambus shoes
The day I finish watching the entire theroy YOU PUT UP P 7 LMAO.
It was just meant to be...
Another one...
@@TheDsIEGE YO at 7:20 there eyes on the relic drive two brown eyes man
@@TheDsIEGE ALSO, on another note, just came from the gara prime access trailer and it DOES seem like they just confirmed Nihil made gara. Thoughts?
It's definitely not just some Corpus tech that made her eyes like that. She didn't have glowing eyes in any of the other scenes you could see her. And you can hear a bunch of whispers when she held her eyes closed
Also: high ranking members of the Corpus might have augmented vision (like a HUD or the video calls in Cyberpunk), but Vala is at least just a crewman, and at most a ship captain. So probably no where near high enough the ladder for that.
Something of note, that isn't the normal Void, but a pocket void. That's why its called the Granum Void.
True but... He's the only one to be able to create a pocket in the void and apparently keep it even after protea was gone.
@@TheDsIEGE so protea is the cost?
@@gionharis13 we were told that Protea saved Parvos Granum by creating the granum void using her temporal powers. Seems like there's more to that.
@@vrontheweb3749 interesting isn't it? now then, where protea the only one that did this? Hmmm... I wonder....
@@TheDsIEGE My question about Protea is, yes, she was custom-made for Parvos, but don't all WF's have to have an operator? Where's Protea's operator? Unless she's more independent like Excalibur Umbra and made like he was or very similarly to him.
Really great video as always. I do not think the voice difference can really be counted as evidence because Parvos changes his own voice in Deadlock Protocol. When you first arrive he sounds frail and weak and thankful. But when you get close his entire voice and demeanor changes. It seems to me that he was acting to get us closer so protea could scan us. When his voice goes back to normal it sounds very similar to his voice at the end of Call of The Tempestarii. But I do think something very fishy is going on with the man in the wall. He has been showing up more and more in recent story quests. And it is just a matter of time before what's truely going on is revealed.
The difference is the echo on his voice, especially once he finishes a sentence. Listen to them again and I'll bet you hear the difference. When he says sister... it's echo is much more severe.
@@TheDsIEGE true. It may just be for dramatic effect, or may be something else. But I do think that Parvos being the man in the wall in Tempestarii, is a very possible theory.
Man in the wall really sounding like Tzeentch the trickster, the changer of ways, the Weaver of Destinies, the Great Conspirator, the Architect of Fate, the Lord of Entropy, the Lord of Sorcery all names Tzeentch is know by
You forgot Indecisive Mollusk.
Something you need to remember also is that the quest was made to be chronologically sound for people who are new to the game, you can get the railjack starter pack currently so you can do call of the tempestari relatively early. before the chains of harrow even. It's why you don't see any tenno, it's the same for the heart of deimos (which I have said before, is the reason I believe the heart is tied to warframe powers and not tenno operator powers, much like how kuva is focused on tenno powers, while operator powers can somehow nullify kuva to an extent.)
So if this is the man in the wall, it's a sealed man in the wall at the very least, maybe the granum void is where the man in the wall was sealed this whole time? With Parvos. He seemed quite mentally sound for someone who had not seen another "living" being for some time.
Oh man, it's been 2 weeks but it felt like 2 months. Last night i binged the playlist again while i did some questing, good times.
The Entrati guy did say he stopped doing Continuity because he was not sure if the one who came out of the void was him. Mayble the Parvos who was freed from Granum Void is not the same Parvos who was trapped there in the beginning.
I think that when you go into the void, you never leave. Our tenno never left the void, and are some kind of specter or whatnot. (Not sure the proper term here)
I think the old tenno in the duviri paradox is us. Our actual, physical body. Whatever is on the other side is not the "true" us. We dont age, seemingly can't be killed, have powers, etc.
Also because his experience with the Man in the wall terrified him so much that he just didn't want to continue living anymore
A man with the devil in his eye... sounds mighty familiar doesn't it? Who else is highly associated with strange eyes, the same eyes seen in Tempesarii's antagonist... Parvos in the void... Girl's got Wally's eyes... the Corpus worship the Void... I'm seeing a connection here.
Well... I definitely think there's some smoke there...
Nef Anyo literally praises the void. Like, super super religious about it. I always wondered why but kind of attribute it to looking for his dad.
It's also just a saying for someone who has plans. But it could have a double meaning
Dear DsIEGE: it's people like you, people who love the game, who make me keep playing even after I achieved nigh everything achieveable.You care about the important parts. It's not about modding, not about rivens; that's a side quest and losing oneself in mechanics. You remember us why we started to play the game to begin with. Thank you for being. You remind us that this is not a farming sim, but anorther world we can indulge in.
Much appreciated. Thanks to you, I will replay the story yet again.
so fun fact I damn near punched my mother while she was visiting, I didn't hear her come in then she said those 2 accursed words, I cannot describe the terror I felt
Thing about parvos is that if you collect the lore tablets it explains he heard a voice to pretty much take what he desires
"There's a man on high with a devil in the details, and a golden plaque, I'm told
He can theorize, he can speculate, the words that he can conjugate when you're sleeping in the cold below"
I was just thinking about something involving the eyes. When the Tenno displays these eyes, they have a different appearance based off of our alignment, Either dark, dull, or goldish. However, when we see other people show these eyes (ie Ballas and Vala) their eyes are somewhere between the dull and the goldish color. The color that displays for neutral or sun alignment. So why do we only see variation in the void eyes of our Tenno, and not other void touched?
Regardless great video, hope all is well.
Man I wish you uploaded every day or every other day. I can't get enough of your content!!!
might have missed it if you mentioned it but during the rising tides quest when the man in the wall is on top of the reliquary drive i noticed he was missing a finger, thing is he is sitting on a finger so in the reliquary drive i now believe his finger is in there. intresting thing ive seen so far keep up the good work!
I have to give it to you. I really did not notice Parvos' voice after the cutaway sounded that echo-y, that different.
That one detail is either an oversight, intentional direction change for Parvos, or a big big hint, some some sort kf Man-in-the-Wall hint.
Good catch.
It would definitely be a ton of coincidences very close to each other if it was just coincidence. Which honestly, wouldn't be the greatest writing.
Could it be possible that the Granum Void is another void with its own "man in the wall"? An artificial one? Perhaps it's seeking to overthrow the void and claim it's power?
MAN on high", -(man in the wall)- "With the DEVIL" -(Tenno, as referred to by Ballas, and the Helminth, two being with deep understandings of what the Tenno really are)- in his EYE -(void eye, in veil proxima)-
I have a theory on Parvos: In his rise to power, wealth and creation of the corpus, he communed with a 'whisper'. This whisper led his ambitions and fueled him to go on. While at first, this might have been his subconscious self pushing him to go further, I believe that his exposure to the void (be it through space travel via void drives or otherwise) slowly allowed the man in the wall to creep in, and take control of a part of his psyche. Remember, at the end of the day Parvos is just... a normal dude, as far as warframe standards go. He is still vulnerable, or rather, more vulnerable, to the man in the wall than a being like say... a tenno, who was forged in the void and has developed a resistance to its maddening effects.
perhaps Parvos is in an internal struggle, on one end the honorable and industrious working-man who inspired people to take and earn their place, versus the caustic insanity caused by the void, which only those with a truly singular purpose or were forged in the void might be able to resist.
Another bit of hand symbolism is the elongated hands (and arms) of most orokin we see
Man in the wall is sort of a mystical creature. And mystical creatures usually take the shape/looks as per the person viewing them.
And people usually would associate it with themselves since, you have been with yourself for the longest amount of time.
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I just binged the whole series so far, totally worth it. One thing I wonder about though, is why you drew connections to Bloodborne in your earlier videos. Imean, sure, Oedon and Hey Kiddo seem similar enough in the way you described, but... why is it that I keep going back to another Void-dwelling adolescent with freaky eyes and a penchant for chaos, one from... Dishonored, perhaps?
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When I heard the setting the first time I had my suspicions.
9:06 I think that's actually onboard the Tempestarii. Mainly because our warframe is knocked to the ground near Sevagoth's shadow just before Corpus units board the railjack and surround the shadow. So shadow fights them off for you and at the end of the song when it's all over, your warframe comes around among numerous Corpus corpses. And I'd explain the floating guys with laser eyes as being sent by Parvos to aid Vala as she apparently was collaborating with him on her mission against the Tempestarii. I don't remember Parvos leaving the Granum Void at the end of the Deadlock Protocol bur rather lingering behind when the tenno gains the power to leave the Granum Void, so I wouldn't be surprised if the man with the golden hand at the end of CoT is actually Granum. His voice sounds the same even though you showed him talking in two different moods on two different tones.
Love these videos, I hope DE give you more to chew on soon!
Just found your channel, keep it up man loving this, you should dive into some of the earlier lore!!
The only issue I really have with this particular part of your theory is that this potentially takes away from parvos a core aspect of his character. That being the agency of building oneself up. He just seems more compelling if he is form of challenge to the void mans authority, in much the same way he challenged the orikin.
Corpus lichs could be combination of specter tech and the void (specifically the Granam void) Like how kuva has a connection to the void.
Kuva doesn’t have a connection to the void
@@aravinds3846 I thought one of the process to get kuva, requires the void or at least it's energy. Like the kuva siphon missions.
Hmm, i think the Temestari (possibly spelt wrong soz!) quest was supposed to be kinda confusiong and raise questions. I recons its supposed to highlight the fact that despite the tenno being the big shots and the ones in charge...all of our knowledge and abilities to act as a faction was in the lotus. But i also think she also served as a kind of void deterant.
If we assume the the man in the wall isnt the only void based entity then the Lotus could have been like a Gate Guard as sutch, one of the things she was doing was keeping the war at a halt.
forgive me if im wrong but after we team killed all the immortal smurfs why did the sentiants stop? Yes the orokin died but the 'Tenno Dogs' were still there...actually as i type this i think old Space mum hid us didnt she? Maybe they coulnd find us...
Back to space guard Mum though, with her gone things like the ghost ship and void storms now begin to run amok.
And if Granum really has been watching us then he knows that he cant just zap us away like some kids, he needs to fight freaky space magic with freaky space magic. Now with big Mumma going though her mid life crisis (i mean new outfit, attitude and is trying to re-live her youth...we should have done better on space mothers day guys) he can freely contact any void based peeps that fancy a deal.
As for resiurces, he was basically made into a god like being by the current corpus right? I know he likes good old fashioned hard work, but currrent corpus worship him...and every boss man needs desposable minions (even we have spectors)
I kind of hope that its not only 1 man in the wall kind of deal, otherwise its one bad guy that we know we most likley will never beat otherwise the game would technially have and end.
Also as a last minuet side note..i got here 44 seconds after the video came out! Fastset i have watched a video! Now i need sleep.
Thank you for coming by!!! I appreciate your support and... here's the thing with the man in the wall. I'm still not convinced he's a bad guy, mainly something that has a specific goal he's trying to achieve. That could be domination but... it could also mean he's just trying to understand this existence and is doing what he feels is best for it. That's the thing... there's a lot of evidence both ways if you ask me.
I guess with that ending of TNW you are right.
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Lotus was basically an amp to close that portal in the sun, right? She canalized our power in that moment.
If time travel is possible, is there a possibility that Parvos actually IS the man in the wall ?
A "futur Parvos" who came back in the past, waiting in the void for Albrecht Entrati to open it for the first time. And the "twin" he saw was actually an advanced Specter made by Parvos ?
I didn't really understand that "sister" scene. I hope DE will expand on that cliffhanger in a future content.
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I think the colors in the background of the various places in the void are not relevant. Because the void was described as having many shifting colors. So the background color is probably only thematic and aesthetic. However I do agree that Parvos seems to have a strong connection to the void. Who knows maybe the ‘voice’ that initially guided him to found the corpus was the man in the wall or him developing some kind of void connection. And it allowed him to hold onto his sanity. But if that makes him a quasi tenno it raises another question. Could there be others who, while never being inside the void directly, have some kind of void connection. Kind of like radiation. The orokin made widespread use of the void and technology based off on its existence. Could it be that one of the things the entrati worry about is that people are still in the material world exposed to the void, and by extension the man in the wall?
Also random thought with absolutely no proof at all- I think Wally change change forms, but I do not think he can change his eyes. Window to the soul kind of thing. He could turn into a purple monkey but he would still have the creeper eyes.
I was on my railjack and the man in the wall showed up and said, "We must be careful, someone is watching." I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist. Have you encountered that? Is that eluding to yet another party we have yet to see?
Was it by the finger? He talks everytime you near it. One of the lines is something like "something is out there kiddo, watching us..."
I herd something like that the other day in the railjack traveling to a voidstorm near the finger as i went to the forge
Does this mean that the sentients are watching or Pavos is watching...an interesting thought
maybe the lidless eye is watching
Well the lidless eye is supposedly the man in the wall
idk if it's me, but other than being very sure that the hand reaching out to her isn't parvos, the outfit resembles something more a kin to nef's outfit with the shimmering blue flowy bits, in contrast to parvoses dusty red outfit, the person reaching out to her looks more like one of the corpus status of parvos than the real parvos, as if it what she saw him as but not what he really was I've been playing this game for 8 years now and still feel like there are things about the void, the orokin, the corpus and the underlying lore around how the events between the old war and current time went down that it makes me feel like a noir detective who finally lost it and has a full office of pictures and red string.
Yess I was waiting anxiously for this
Sorry for the delay... Life has been... Crazy, that's about as best as I can put it, but I appreciate you coming and checking it out!
You are my go to for lore lil
Is very weird because if this is the man that you say... thats means that he can take the form of an other person than you, a loved one person someone that you care and have respect.. Im pretty sure that a big step on the story.
Because imagine if one day the man on the wall just come to as lotus.
Nicely done!
Could also just be that DE isn't making anything out of it other than "we've got nothing so let the player base speculate with this". The quest was too short and felt like just an excuse to get a new warframe out. It could also be that unless her eyes were shown earlier in a cs prior to the final one we see, that if the Corpus do indeed implant tech into their bodies, her eyes could be light sensitive like in Pitch Black and that's why she was keeping them shut as much as possible. Her eyes remind me of Riddick's eyes.
I have not played this quest yet but I am familiar with the man of the wall and at this clip 3:24 not sure who he is but his eyes glow red and looks very similar to the figure that sits onto of the wall. Just going off of his head piece.
I think Granum made a deal with the Man long ago
So, a thought came to me today, though it is pretty far out there and is most likely wrong...but, is it possible that the 'younger' Tenno we see in the Duvari Paradox is actually 'The Man in the Wall' helping them directly?
Maybe she was a Spector? Hence the eyes and the awkwardness of her movement.
What if the parvovs hand are actually Spector Tech of the Entrti hand. Would explain the void travel ability (it's just stylish as a gold hand.)
Why would Gramin want to stay in his sanctuary after being rescued? Why do abused dogs seek refuge in they cages once free.
Parvos’ hand is a golden prosthetic that he gained after it was cut off by the orokin
Ooooh a new theory interesting
Really hoping that the sisters we fight drop some little lore tidbits in their dialogues and not just be like the liches taunting. Not sure if you find this interesting but one of the descriptions for one of the Perrin sequence railjack crewmembers you can hire mentions that they were terrified of the stories of Parvos Granum. I guess some Corpus find Parvos to be more of a boogeyman.
Me too! Even though this was a lore intensive quest... We haven't been getting a lot of lore overall recently and it would be nice for some more info!
I just remembered that Sigor Savah or the corpus who researched Khora existed in the game. I hope he returns
So the man in the wall might be playing all sides. If he is, does he just want to see who will come out on top of does ha have a plan for someone in particular to succeed? And, either way, does anyone have any hope of stopping whatever he’s up to?
Again, it's possible DE just didn't include his face because they knew they'd be selling Railjacks for plat, and a MR 6 doing Tempestari before Deadlock would be confused.
Im pretty sure you HAVE to complete deadlock protocol to even START tempestarii. If you just do rising tide, you cant do the tempestarii quest, as deadlock protocol IS a requirement.
Deadlock protocol is a prerequisite to do the Tempestari.
@@georgeGMC damn. I guess I wouldn't know cause the moment I logged on during the update, it just popped up.
Here's a question... Do you think there are any major plot threads in the game currently that *don't* involve the MitW?
Isn't is curious how the man in the wall uses eyes as a symbol of his control over people. Always a dark red-brown color. Yet Lotus only has that hue over her helmet in the New War memory scene. I would also like to bring up that Lotus is taking the shape of Margullis (spelled tht wrong srry). So shouldn't she be blind? Her eyes even in sentient form resemble the grey-blue hue of people completely blind. Yet she is called by her brother "she who can see into the void" Why does she even have that helmet in the first place? And why is the man in the wall always drawing us to it, clearly either by Natah herself or with the help of the helmet, Lotus has great power. Also is the only reason Lotus can't easily be influenced by the man in the wall, is because she is "blind"? Why can't we see Lotus' face when she is taken by Ballas but everytime she attacks us we can? I think Lotus did not go willingly or at the very least she has an overall plan cause she knows that it isn't the real Ballas. How did he get so disfigured from the Sacrifice quest, to the New War, what happened between then?
notice how both hands are left hand a little biblical reference the first angel to be gods left hand was lucifer before he fell
What was the scene where alad v touches mag? I've never seen a scene like that before in a of my missions
Brothers & sisters below...So far we've met only 1 brother,Parvos and he was trapped.Not sure where he is now.The sisters are coming back but where are other brothers?Btw,how goes
the deciphering sevagoth's msg?Hope your health is improving,welcome back :)
I don't think parvos ever escaped the granum void. The battle never happened, remember?
Well it never happened to the people outside of it when we where in the granum void it was a crack in time where time never passed so that’s why it seems to others outside of it that nothing ever happened
@@slide6725 But Parvos sends us the message from inside the Granum void at the end of the quest...
Did Parvos escape, or "the other"?
Damn, that's a really good question. I mean... don't we really HAVE to examine everyone at this point as possible dopplegangers? This story could get crazy.
Let me guess: You are intenting to seek, search, find and understand Life. Therefore, the most known and general questions that you have been asking for are:
1 - What is the meaning in Life?
2 - Who are we?
3 - What is the point of our existence?
Am I correct man?
You know, I've just ended Twin Peaks and... well... THAT! Is "our" Parvos real Parvos or a black Parvos as Mr. C?
do u think DE knows/considers what they're adding to the game lore-wise or can it be all coincidences and we are just reading between the lines (sheets)
It could be either. I'm seeing tons of parallels and they could be doing it purposely, as it will provide a nice twist at some point that many people won't see coming but... it could also be that they just like using the same story beats over and over because they are getting dry creative wise. Only time will tell, but the similarities exist nonetheless...
Did you know that a voice of Warframe Streams on Twitch?? sometimes... lol
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Video time!!!!
@@TheDsIEGE always a good time, thanks! :)
Too bad DE drops a lore bomb once a year
Just going to toss this out there, is it possible that the Man in the Wall appears to people as the person they trust most? What makes this one case different from previous interactions being it's literally the first time he has appeared to someone that trusts someone other than themselves for a change? Everyone else The Man in the Wall has appeared to has had *very* good reasons for not trusting anyone else after all.
That's what I think. I think he comes in whatever form he feels he can have the most effect. To the tenno and Albrecht he may have wanted to try to make them a bit uneasy as they were both very impressionable. For someone like the lotus... Appearing as say... Ballas might be a bit more useful.
@@TheDsIEGE That makes the most sense, unless of course he has limitations we aren't yet aware of. Such as only being able to take the specific forms limited by their having been touched by the Void, or if he is only able to eco what someone has said requiring him to use that specific form as though splicing bits of audio together. Or it could be dependent on his connection to the individual.
Many possibilities for this kind of thing since his domain is memory.
@@TheDsIEGE I apologize for the double post, but something occurred to me today in how this could fit in with that odd bit of dialog after the incident with Umbra. Is it possible that the reason he seems to push the memories you experienced as being yours could be because in his thinking they are? I mean, could it be that if memories are his realm and how he communicates, then experiencing the memories of another person makes them as 'real' as if they were your own as far as he is concerned?
@@kenju2268 Could be... Tough to say. Hopefully some of this stuff will start to flesh out a bit more over the coming months. A new "big" quest would be really nice, I have to say.
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Tell me if I'm wrong, but when TMITW was on top of that giant thing laughing, wasn't them a person using operator's suit and Lotus's helmet? And that was the first time they appear to two living being at the same moment, right?
Song??? who sing in this world??? does it have any significant??
Swazdo-lah surah...
Woohoo got here at 8 seconds.
I'm still completely blown away how some of you see this literally seconds after I hit the publish button, but I thank you for your dedication for certain!
@@TheDsIEGE I am always happy to see your interpretations of the lore so far! Also perhaps Parvos's great intellect and success is part of a bargain he made with Wally. After all he is a man with the devil in his eye.
A thought I kept having during this video was... Is parvos the man in the wall's true chimerical twin? They sure are similar in well... everything.
@@TheDsIEGE probably not his true form. Maybe a first attempt at making himself a host in the material world outside of the void? I have been watching Smough's lore theories as well and Wally seems to want to destabilize the mind of us tenno. Very similar to how the Grineer Queen was trying to take over our body for continuity. It sounds like Wally wants his new vessel to be strong and hollow ready for him to take it.
Just thought of a theory what if the Natah and Marguilis are the same person not 2 minds in 1 body but 1 mind turned into an alter ego by Ballas If you want to discuss this in more detail we can discuss this on discord : SUPREME SHENRO #7708
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Awesome... but incredibly busy. I got a new job, my dream job and have had to take some time to get myself acclimated with it. But... I wanted to get this video out for ya cause I know it's been a bit!
@@TheDsIEGE congrats man!!
@@TheDsIEGE congratulations 🎊🖤
@@TheDsIEGE I see things have definitely turned on the bright side for you, congratulations
I feel more disconnected from your pov. My account (500 logins 2018 start) got jailed for 15 years because of antidiversity policies of my own. I since replayed the game and have chosen a fully white questline. I don't think my questline was (with all due honesty) at all grey, but I chose to appease the current timelines rules of Godliness. Acceptance of my failure to comply was the first step and adherence to the ideals of my overlords, as of current, DE is inevitable.
Interestingly I find myself, at least today, not seeing your truth as I did in the grey space of my first timeline. I feel I was clouded by the algorithms inherent bias to promote players to maximize their efforts and in my reset, it was more careful to see me as I am before suggesting I work hard or (god-forbid) grind.
The main point is, however, I now have a woman in the wall; she is kind of less scary and I'm not sure her eyes are as black/glassed as you have seen them from your entities.
tbh I now respect LGBTQIA+ a lot (less) if that was ever possible. They took away access to the trinkets and illusions I worked on for 2 years ±
I will never go back, they stole my child from me, all is dead to me that I loved.
Their mistakes will cost them a double portion
The opinions; diversity; abominable
If you decide that the Black is too much find my light, my dude, find my light. I work as the blackest white searching for the whitest black tolerable.
In our grey sin I pray may we steal ourselves from the abyss.