What's My Line? - New opening! - Tony Franciosa & Shelley Winters; M. Gabel [panel] (Jul 14, 1957)
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- Note: This is the first episode to use the animated opening title sequence and the new, jaunty What's My Line theme song, "Sounds", written by Granville Burland.
MYSTERY GUEST: Anthony Franciosa & Shelley Winters
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Martin Gabel, Dorothy Kilgallen, Bennett Cerf
Many thanks to epaddon for providing his copy of this episode!
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![What's My Line? - Julius LaRosa; Stubby Kaye [panel] (Jul 21, 1957)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CDfSvxsJdLM/mqdefault.jpg)
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"Genius, isn't she?" Martin referring to Arlene with a husband's pride after she zeroes in on Lew Hoad in less than a minute.
Martin gave Arlene the diamond necklace she loves to wear
Dorothy and Arlene are both brilliant at this game !!
Could hardly watch after Dorothy was killed.
@@schulzmj1 I know what you mean.
@@schulzmj1 It's surprising how much the show lost with her abscence.
@@jerrylee8261 My wife and I stopped watch any shows after she was killed.
@@schulzmj1 Killed is right. Redd Foxx made this joke around that time. "If you want to commit suicide, just go to the street corner and say you know who shot Kennedy."
Omggggg!!!!!!!! When Bennett said "Has your marriage been recently CONSUMATED?" Well, we all know what a bride and groom do when they consummate their marriage! What the hel?
18:00 is one of the funniest things I've seen on the show where Martin Gabel takes off his mask and then puts it back on.
Arlene was almost 50 here, and she looks like a million bucks! More beautiful by the year!
I have see her in the show in the late 70's and she still looked great. I believe she was 94 when she died.
And still smiling.
maynardsmoreland I was at the Metropolitan Opera House and I spotted a woman from behind wearing a gown with a perfect hourglass figure. She turned around and it was Arlene Francis. I knew for sure it was she because she had on her signature diamond heart pendant. She had to have been in her late 70's but her figure belied her age.
Why oh why did she marry that dork Gabel?
Gabel understood women and Arlene was lucky enough to catch him!
Arlene Francis is 49 here, almost 50! She looks great--6 years older than Dorothy.
jrwxtx - Both Arlene and Dorothy were so attractive and witty. I love their hair and dresses.
@@shirleyrombough8173 I cannot understand calling Dorothy attractive
@@stevekru6518 - And I cannot see how you could not. Rospo
The animation style of the new title sequence seemed very familiar. I couldn't place it at first, but an animation maven friend of mine confirmed that it's the work of Jay Ward, the genius behind Rocky and Bullwinkle.
Good to see an Aussie champ often forgotten here in Australia but was a great champ and a true sportsman
And to have won Wimbledon twice in a row was & still is, quite an accomplishment.
"Hatful Of Rain" is an excellent movie, and I recommend it highly.
Indeed a very powerful play (or film). Many years ago (mid-late 1960s?) I saw a version with Sandy Dennis and Peter Falk on TV (possibly Playhouse 90, or similar), and I was so utterly blown away by it that I (obviously) never got over it. Since then I have seen other versions, on stage and in theaters, but I would give anything to watch the Sandy Dennis version again.
It was nice to see a champion Australian tennis player, Lewis Hoad. Its a pity he didn't get anywhere in the scoring. He had just turned Professional in July of that year.
Shelley Winters said that if sex was an Olympic event Franciosa would have been the team captain!
@Spawndude Spawndude Too bad.
😳
"Oh goodness a spider" smudge. What a gal, gotta love her!
AutumnRavyn I think the fact that the way she said it and reacted were so nonchalant-and how Bennett reacts by looking first at Dorothy and then where the spider was, completely miffed-is why it makes me laugh so much when I watch that part (24:12, for those wondering).
I take your "smudge" to mean killing; and it sure looks to me as if she had brushed the spider away, which is both kinder and cleaner.
If I could have 3 men from the past to come and have and evening in The Cave it would be Bennett Cerf, Martin Gabel and John Daly. Three of the most articulate and intelligent gentleman of the last century. OH the tales they could tell. Thank you for posting!
I would say this: Circumstances would dictate that “tenderhooks” as a word and spoken here by Daly does not in fact exist, as pertains to the English language, and as germane to the English dictionary per se. The word, in fact, is “tenterhooks”. Of the last century, I’m sure there are others exceeding your criteria - there were a lot of men in it.
Groo Vin8tor VERY well-played...I see what you did there.
I agree, except that I am not sure I could held my own in such erudite company. Still it would have been fun to try.
I am not sure I could have held my own... this system either adds words or takes them away. Very frustrating.
That second contestant was gorgeous as was her dress.
Martin's a gas! He took his blindfold off, had a nice look and then put it back on. Those Park Avenue people!
Angie Schneiderman - Timing error. Unusual for one of the finest stage actors America has ever known. He thought Bennett was about to say Tony Franciosa and didn't realize that he was drawing a blank. As soon as he realized the game was still on, he put it right back on and then Arlene drew a blank and Dorothy jumped in with the response. They were all so courteous to other performers that it must have been embarrassing for them to just have a brief mental lapse on a name like that. Especially when it could be construed as not knowing his work, when it was clear Arlene had seen the play and loved it. It was a funny moment.
Something that just now struck me, on my third chronological pass through these episodes: The animated title sequence introduced on this episode refers to one more occupation than I had noticed before, that of accountant. The "graph paper" design in the background is not for math or science graphing, but is ruled for accounting, for lining up columns of money figures and totals. (In fact "columnar ruled" paper is what you'd order from your stationery store.) This is how a spreadsheet was laid out on paper before VisiCalc and Excel were available on computers.
" You look like the kind of a lady who would perform services, do you?"
" Yes I do".
" Could you perform those services for me?"
" I could"
"Would I be any the happier for the performance of this service?
" Yes you would". Classic.
What was this guest's name? I thought I heard Ruth, but what she writes doesn't look like it. Thank you!
@@user-tq9vs6fc9u Mrs Ruth Stewart
@@user-tq9vs6fc9u It's clearly Ruth with a fanciful R.
Bunny Yeager, who specialized in "Cheesecake Photography", was hot. And so was Bettie Page.
Yeager died last May.
You cant find clean tv shows like this one on the air today.
Shark Tank, The Profit, House Hunters, Flip or Flop, Fixer Upper, and ironically Pawn Stars. Lots of others.
In yes once again Arlene N Dorothy are so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so Brilliant may say 👑☝🏿⭐ ....... Goated🐐
Love the opening and closing themes!
It seems like everybody on this show had an especially good time and was in a good mood, including the guests.
It's because it's the fifties. Before assassinations, Vietnam, Watergate, two oil crisis, stagflation, ,Iran hostage crisis, impeachments, the 2000 election, 9.11 Iraq, Great Recession, Covid. It's been an awful 60 years.
I've been searching for the Bunny Yeager episode and didn't realize she appeared in the Shelley Winters/Tony Franciosa show! This is one of the best ever and it's the first time I've seen the entire episode. Thank you!
THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH for this telly time capsule into a more sophisticated, educated, genteel and respectful time in history. I am addicted! COMMENT: @17:08 Mr. Cerf uses the word consumated in relation to the recent nuptials of Mr. Franciosa & Ms. Winters - completely appropriate when considering the definition: to bring to a state of perfection; fulfill; to complete (an arrangement, agreement, or the like) by a pledge or the signing of a contract (as in marriage). No smutty reaction from anyone. @17:16 Mr. John Charles Daly, on the other hand - does take it that way! Check out his sophisticated snicker, and as he rolls his head around to check offstage if anyone else got the same read. LOVE IT!!!!!
Shelley told a story on herself once on a talk show (and it was in one of her books) -- she was on a stairs and met a man coming the other way. He said, "Hi, Shelley." She looked at him and he said, "You don't remember me, do you?" She said no. He said, "I'm Tony Franciosa, your 3rd husband."
Doris Day told the same story about one of her husbands, George Weidler, who said hello. She had no idea.
*on a staircase
@@January. I'll go out on a limb and guess that Lynn meant "on the stairs" and quickly substituted "the" with "a." I've written worser and I bet you have, too. And don't bother; I know that's not a word.
This can't be true, can it? Would someone really not remember someone they'd married?
@@johnjones3813 A lame joke.
Interesting phrasing by Bennett, "Has the marriage been CONSUMATED recently?" I think Daly looked a little awkward for a second after that.
I was taken aback by that myself. "Consummated" literally-- and *legally*-- means, the first time a newlywed couple has sex. I don't think he meant to say that word. :)
stlmopoet What's My Line?
I was actually amazed that his choice of words in that question seemed to stir no audience reaction at all, no laughter from anyone on the panel, and no discomfort from the mystery guests!
SaveThe TPC It would have if Groucho said it. I'm sure many, if not most, of the people onstage and in the audience were thinking the same thing, but coming from Bennett, it's clearly not meant as a dirty joke, so they all just collectively "looked the other way", so to speak. But it did surprise me, too, that there wasn't even a nervous giggle, because this *is* what the word "consummated" means now and meant then with respect to marriage: the first time a couple has sex.
Pygiana
I think you're right about what he meant to say, but I don't think his errors in pronunciation or word usage had anything to do with aging or Alzheimer's. My guess is that he was always like that, even as a young man. I think if anyone had giggled or called him out on his word choice in this episode, he would have probably turned beet red and been very embarrassed. I wonder if anyone mentioned it to him privately later.
Malapropism!
My favorite of all the What's My Line opening title sequences.
First contestant who's a Bail Bondsman, and Bennett's "Hopeful question"; "Would it have a permanent or lasting effect?" Oh my.... ;D
Anthony Franciosa died five days after Shelley Winters (January 19, 2006).
Vahan Nisanian What are the odds of that?
Ruth Stewart ,the Bail Bondsman, outsmarted them all. They were never close to find out her line.
The music and the little animated guy were certainly durable enough -- they appeared in two introductions. This style from 1957 to 1962 and the and the mod bee-bop style from 1962 to 1965.
I was shocked to learn that Shelley Winters was married to Tony Franciosa, but not at all surprised that a few years later, they were divorced. Talk about an odd couple!
I immediately head to wikip to look these things up. Fascinating to have a "crystal ball" to see where things go for these folks.
Interesting to note that the last guest Bunny Yeager ended up becoming a very prolific and famous photographer.
Her photos of Bettie Page are timeless.
I was surprised no one knew her by name - I certainly did!
She contributed a number of centerfold shots to Playboy in the period of this episode, and is said to have discovered a very popular Playmate, Lisa Winters, at a bus stop in Miami.
Arlene Francis in her healthy 1957 period. Witin a few months she broke an ankle and later appeared with an eye patch over an eye injury.
Another eye patch.. buy this episode we've seen her with an eye patch 2 or 3 times already
Shelly Winter's played Minnie Marx in the Broadway production of "Minnie's Boys" in 1970.
Bennett had guessed it was Lew Hoad a year ago or so, when the US Open was in September -- so the Sep 15th, 1956 episode. (Actually, he guessed it was both Hoad and Rosewater.)
Also, I managed to know, vaguely, that Bunny Yeager was the one taking Bettie Page's photographs, but I never knew Bunny was female. Weird assumptions I have. (Yeager died in 2014; she seems to have been fairly innovative, as a photographer of models.)
Rosewater? I think you possibly meant Ken Rosewall.
I sure did!
I think I somehow posted an unedited version of what I was working on, since there are three errors in that paragraph, which is fairly impressive, given how small it was. (There wasn't a Sep 15, 1956 episode, it was on the 16th, and also, Bennett didn't mention either Rosewall or Hoad, that night.)
Mr. Rosewater was more associated with Kurt Vonnegut than Lew Hoad. :-)
Poor Tony was not guessed. I think he did not like that.
Although Tony and Shelley, were not married that long, he still had tremendous love for her , especially given that he died within months or weeks after he passing. Normally that phenomenon happens to long-time married couples. Twenty-three yrs later in a Merv Griffen show interview, Shelley mentioned she finally caught on to Tony's mischievous romantic ways since he would always buy her jewelry from Bulgaries in Rome, Italy, whenever he was having affairs with fellow actresses. She added she had 2 large boxes stored in a Bank from his diamond gifts to her over the years.
Shelley could be very entertaining in the way she expressed herself.
I’m surprised the audience didn’t go bananas when they showed “cheesecake” photographer as the final guest’s occupation.
I wondered what on earth “cheesecake photographer” was! Was it ever explained?
@VickyRBenson - “Cheesecake” was a slang term of the ‘50’s used to denote photos of scantily clad usually buxom young women. Oftentimes these were as yet unknown starlets (and wanna be’s) adding these photos to their portfolios in an effort to market themselves as they pursued careers in entertainment. “Beefcake” is a term that came into usage in the ‘70’s along with the Feminist movement, to denote photos of scantily clad young men showing off their muscled physique, often for the same reason as the women had.
Did anyone notice that the identification for Bunny Yeager was "Cheesecake Photographer", but when John Daly introduced her "line" to the panel at the end, he simply said "photographer"? Perhaps, since it was 1957, he felt a little self-conscious using the term "cheesecake". John was always a gentleman.
I did, seems he was a bit squeamish about it, hah
John had class
The new opening theme replaces the beautiful and elegant "Melody in Moccasins" composed by Wilfred Burns and performed by The Harmonic Orchestra under the direction of Hans May. The new theme projects the level of confidence that the show will have a long and successful run, well into the approaching decade.
The style of animation seemed familiar, but I couldn't put my finger on it at first. So I checked with a friend who is an animation maven, and he confirmed that the title animation was by Jay Ward Studios, the geniuses behind 'Rocky and Bullwinkle'.
Tony Franciosa, his southern drawl gives it away.
Just noticed in the 7/14/57 show with the new opening that the diver didn't have the bubbles sound effect and the wheelbarrow man lacked the high piano notes. At least not yet.
Ron Flatter YES-that’s what’s missing here...! THANK YOU!
Their marriage lasted three years. And they ended up dying within five days of each other in. 2006. Crazy.
I remember...
This is my opinion, but I believe there is more information in all the replies on this show than in the show. Thank you all.
Even I had a slight struggle with understanding the tennis player and I'm originally Australian myself haha
Pygiana Yep, Bennett had that old time New York accent.
fishhead06 Sounds more Boston to me.
He was born in NYC and spent his life there.
fishhead06
I didn't say he was from NY. I just said his accent sounds more like a Boston accent. I don't know where he is from.
People with Boston accents say things like Afriker and Cuber instead of Afrika and Cuba and they also do the opposite, saying things like "viguh" and "murduh" instead of "vigor" and "murder" -- and also there's "Pahk yuh cah in Hahvahd Yahd", none of which sounds remotely like Bennett.
Tony and Shelly were engaged and she surprised him in the arms of Anna Magnani. It was stormy ever since.
The story goes that Lauren Bacall, with whom Tony was cheating on Shelly, actually had the gall to call her up to ask why Tony was late for a rendez-vous with her.
Wow never knew they were married and its quite a coincidence that they both died in 2006 =/
+oldfart4751 I know this already.
Bunny Yeager was Bettie Page's primary personal photographer. She was a knockout in her own right, but she made the largest portion of her money from contracting shoots for Bettie, or so I have read. Mhmm.
Who was Betty Page?
Oops - I spelled Bettie Page's first name wrong.
@@shirleyrombough8173 One of the most famous pin-up models of the 1950s. Look up her photos.
Mr. Franciosa was stunning.
Amen. So many of the 50s guys like Tony Franciosa, Tab Hunter, Don Murray, and Robert Wagner were ALL stunningly appealing in their prime, just naturally sexy, more so than nowadays. I think the key is it was before they (the ones who control and ruin things) started puttiing gobs of estrogen in the foods and just about everything else.
I think up until the 70's many tennis greats remained amateur far longer than other sports, as pro tennis was held in disdain by many in the (sorry) tennis racket.
You mean ''by the tennis set''.
Angie Schneiderman - Ouch!
There was a time the player could elect pro or amateur at individual tournaments. Amateurs would get expenses win or lose. Pros would get prize money for winning but no expenses. If you think you’ll win, play pro. If you play as I did pick amateur.
Mrs. Stuart, yeah!
"Sounds" was composed by Sascha Granville Burland. It was first updated on April 8, 1962, and then once more on February 14, 1965.
We should do a poll at some point on FB of what folks's favorite version of the theme song is. . . . I'll make a note to do that!
What's My Line? I have liked the second one best, I tried to look the song up online and it almost seems to be non-existent.. other than this video popping up as a suggestion for most websites and results...
This version is my favorite! The final iterations I’m completely “meh” towards
Tony had that "help me" look the whole time he was married to Winters.
Hilarious!
I like "Sounds" so smooth
Love the show, the classy dressing, but why does Arlene always bring her bag onstage with her? Reminds me of when my mom used to take her purse with her down the aisle to receive holy communion!
I can't speak for your mother or any of the many, many women that I've seen do things like what you describe, but for a woman in the public eye (or any woman who took her fashion very seriously) at this time the right purse was considered an integral part of the outfit, carefully chosen to complete the look. Purse, shoes, hat, gloves, jewelry, fur, etc (or the purposeful omission of any of those) were all planned out pretty much equally by most well dressed women. She wouldn't leave her bag out any more than she'd, say, take off her shoes or her earrings before walking out.
Reflection of the social mores of the day. A lady did not go out n’ about without her purse, and also did not put it down unless she was seated.
Are you from another planet?
Good info above that it was the first time for the new theme tune. Apparently Franciosas only lasted 3 years together.
Another sign of the times when these episodes were filmed ie they have to explain to all the upper crust types what a bail bondsman does. It revealed how this gameshow not only was watched but thrived for close to two decades. It was watched by people of all socioeconomic classes. If you put all gameshow creators together in a locked room for a week, they'd never be able to match its' simple, yet genius, formula.
My mom would’ve been 12 she died this April 😭😭oh god I wish I could turn back time 😭😭
Amazing that a fifties or sixties woman who is not a member of the entertainment profession has long hair. We all have long hair these days.
A "cheese cake" photographer is someone who takes pictures of dames in various risqué poses, is that not true? I don't know why John didn't say that to the panel at the end of the game. Was he embarrassed?
ANGIE.....THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION OF "CHEESE CAKE" HERE AS I WAS DUMB FOUNDED !!!
Angie Schneiderman Not exactly a compliment in high society of the '50s.
NOT RISQUE, cheesecake involves swimsuit pictures.
Think of the old fashioned girls on calendars., that's cheese cake.
Yeager photographed centerfolds for Hugh Hefner, among other projects.
This is the opening and music that I remember the most. All the others before were forgettable.
If I knew that I was somehow going to meet a 'bondsman' like Mrs. Stewart... heck, I'd get arrested every week!
Good luck 😊. But perhaps you meet Mr. Stuart instead. 😂
Lewis Alan Hoad (23 November 1934 - 3 July 1994)(aged 59)
Seeing Shelley gets me to contemplating who were mystery guests in the 1950s, the 1960s, and the 1970s. Gloria Swanson famously was. And so was Shelley. In 1972, she appeared in syndicated WML to advertise “The Poseidon Adventure.” She admitted she had never been so wet and so cold for so long in a production.
And fat.
Joe Postove Erm...!
Yeah, there was a lot of Shelley in that movie.
SuperWinterborn I took off a point. C'mon, c'mon! She WAS fat. And I don't think she ever saw her poor ankles again :>(
Joe Postove Poor lonely ankles!
Dorothy was very calm when she saw the spider.
14:07 - i hope Martin was looking at her hand and not her chest.
The new titles really interest me. If you'd asked me what year they were made I'd guess by the lettering, the animation and the swing jazz music that it would be something like 1961 or even slightly later...but of course it's not!! Obviously having a rock'n'roll theme would be too much, but as titles go, this would've been really 'with it' for 1957 (after all, US and UK movies were only beginning to bring this style in to being). Such a progression from the frilliness of last week.
I liked when Shelly played Roseanne's truck driving grandma.
Oh, goodness, a spider!
I love Shelley Winters she was in the cartoon movie Pete's Dragon and she was the grandma on Roseanne
Dorothy Kilgallen looks like she's almost blonde in some of these programs, but later she looks like she's got quite dark hair.
She was a redhead
She went back to brunette before the year was up.
Anthony F was Italian beefcake. Shelley was beautiful .
#jordanthelion this is one of my favorite shows and if you hadn't seen this I thought you would like this one
24:12 Dorothy does not impress me as being easily spooked by our 8-legged friends. However, as we will see in the future, in a 1965 episode, a fire broke out in the panel box, and Dorothy was up with her back to the backdrop.
Indeed-- Dorothy spent her early years as a reporter covering one grisly crime scene after another, with frequent trips to the morgue part of her beat. I doubt a spider would have freaked her out! I don't think I've seen the episode with a fire yet. No memory of it, anyway.
A fire in the box? Was Dorothy typing too fast?
Where's the video?
''up with her back to the backdrop'' what does that mean??
She stood up and stood with her back to the backdrop behind the second seat.
Tony Franciaso dated Tom Wait's Ma!!
Great tennis player !
this was when they changed the intro? cool!!
The play "Girls of Summer" was a flop as Shelley Winters said. It ran for 56 performances and was written by N. Richard Nash. It starred Pat Hingle, Lenka Peterson and George Peppard.
Bennett said consummated, I know he didn't mean to be dirty, but, well...gee wiz, what's he want "Bedroom Confidential"?
What else do we know about the new "jaunty" theme for the show? Lyrics. perhaps? I could imagine the phrase "what's my line" inserted into this theme
Ha! I never thought about that, but yes, the 4th through 6th note of the theme would work. Dah-dah-dah "What's My Line", Dah-dah-dah "What's My Line", Dah-dah-dah "What's My Line Today. . . ".
Okay, okay, so I'm not Irving Berlin.
What's My Line? Antony Edwards Think of "Diamonds are a girl's best friend", and we have the rhytm. Then we'll find an appropriate way of filling the both the phrase, and some other words...
What's My Line? LOL...Ok, maybe no Irving Berlin but you got where I was going. It;s funny when I was a kid and listened to the "Bewitched" theme I thought the same thing...and there WERE lyrics! I Dream of Jeannie, again had the lyrics possibility. The time it did not work was the last season of "that Gorl" I HATED those lyrics.
It's time for what's my line
TV that's oh so fine
You guess what they do
When you watch What's My Line
Chances are one plus nine
That you can guess their job, Bob
So, relax and sit on back
For 30 minutes of fun
And when were done
You'll be smarter too.
Joe Postove Nice try, it might be a hit ;D But where did *Bob* fit in? :O
Years after their divorce Shelley made a pass on franciosa,only to be reminded that He was a former Husband!!
Bunny Yaeger and her husband discovered Bettie Page
Bunny Yeager resembles Jayne Mansfield, only prettier.
Is it the lighting or something else, the show looks different somehow.
It might possibly just be that this recording came from a VHS tape rather than the direct-to-digital recordings I have for most of the series.
One thing different was that this episode was riddled with dancing vertical lines.
Maybe it's my computer, but why does the videos not work sometimes? Almost every video in the playlist says private and won't play.
Purple Capricorn This is hopefully a very temporary situation, but suffice it to say, I was forced to do what I'm doing because of an illegal and totally baseless copyright claim by Fremantle International. I can't get into further details, just please understand that I'm doing everything within my power to resolve this situation, and that I did not precipitate it, the attack on the channel did.
What's My Line?
Ok I thought that was why. I understand. I just wanted to be sure.
Purple Capricorn Thanks for your patience, sincerely.
PAN 🍳cho Gonzales.....sweet mother of name butchery lol
Bunny Yeager!
Uh, I was signed into my sister's account on Gmail, so tonight here on youtube, Joe Postove is Angie Schneiderman. I wonder if you have figured that out anyway. I'll check in the morning. It's 5 to 4 in the am and I'm bed bound. Joe Postove
WORLD CHAMPION TENNIS PLAYER
BAIL BONDSMAN
CHEESECAKE PHOTOGRAPHER
Please keep comments respectful. Old folks like me need to check what the lines are once the questions start.
According to Wiki:"In his autobiography, "The Garner Files," actor James Garner stated that Franciosa, on the set of A Man Could Get Killed, constantly abused the stunt crew. "He purposely wasn't pulling his punches during fight scenes, and he kept doing it despite my warnings to stop... so I had to pop him one." Also Tony Franciosa died five days after Shelley Winters in 2006. Franciosa was well known for his temper.
Most interesting bit of trivia I found - Winters apparently threatened to hire a hit man to kill Ava Gardener if she continued her affair with Franciosa. Sounds like their three year marriage was a stormy one.
***** Wow Shelly did not seem that way but when things involve a man we can all go a little nuts.
Shelley goes into this is her second memoir. She grew up with the men who eventually ran the Mob and warned Ava to back off or she would call in some favors from her childhood buddies. Shelley also claimed to have done the same thing to Lauren Bacall. Shelley's father was unjustly imprisoned and falsely accused of burning down his haberdashery, thanks to a very poor defense put on by a cousin who represented him in court. Her mother struggled to raise her children alone and Shelley recalled that being fed succulent pasta dishes by kind neighbors gave her a life-long love for all things Italian. She had no fond memories of this third marriage and said just thinking about it gave her the willies.
Gary, a question for you: Was Shelley Winters the first English-speaking actor or actress to star in foreign films in Europe? I believe she might have been.
She starred with her prior husband, Vittorio Gassman (he, too, was Italian), in 1954's "Mambo". She also starred with an aging Paulette Goddard in 1964's "Time of Indifference", also an Italian film.
No idea! Anyone else?
Maybe soulierinvestments would know.
From the 1950's to around the 1980's (especially during the 50's, 60's, and 70's), it was common of English-speaking actors and actresses (usually American or British) to star in European films (usually Italian ones). Especially if his or her original career had dried up completely.
Josephine Baker starred in French films in the 1920s and 30s. A St. Louis native! I don't know if she was the first, but she predates Shelly Winters.
Louise Brooks was in German and French silents/early talkies. It was also common during the early sound era for Hollywood to make foreign language versions of their films and oftentimes they starred the same actors.
Oh, and also Lilian Harvey, a half English, half German actress of the '20s-'30s mainly, was in German and American films. So there were quite a few English-speaking actors in non-English language films far before this era!
I am now Joe Postove once again!
I miss Angie already.
What's My Line? She puts up with being my sister, so she is SUPERGIRL!
In the 1940s and '50s, the female equivalent of the "wolf whistle"--which we've heard plenty of on this show--was the "swoon" for such characters as Elvis and Fabian,etc. I'm kind of wondering why we never heard this from women in the audience, such as might have been the case with the tennis player Lew Hoad, who resembled a young Peter O'Toole in my opinion. What do you all think was the dynamic going on here? Just curious.
+519DJW Well. Sal Mineo got a bunch of whistles...
+juliansinger Well, I don't remember his appearance on this show. I'll have another look-see. Thanks.
+519DJW June 30, 1957. (I'm going chronologically at the moment, so I just saw it a bit ago.)
+juliansinger I just took a peek at his entrance, and the whistles seemed more like those given for any showbiz celebrity who was popular at the time...Someone as "unglamorous" as Bob Hope could have gotten the same ovation from the audience as a whole, I believe.
I was a kid but women did not act like that in those days, the only audience who would scream for a handsome male celebrity would be teenage girls.
The marriage didn't last long.
Shelley? OINK !
What new opening?
The shape of the women's hairdos was rather strange: mostly flat in the back but poufy on top. Not particularly flattering. I'm glad that style didn't stay for very long.
That is so you could wear a hat.
I thought Ruth Stewart's hair style was beautiful. She looked like a movie star herself, but was a bail bond person!
Spider 24:12!