5 Reasons You Shouldn't Use KDE Plasma
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- Yes, I love the KDE Plasma desktop. Should you also be using it? Maybe. Maybe not. Let's talk about it.
0:00 - Introduction
0:46 - 1. You Already Know You Don't Like It
1:24 - 2. You're Using a Low Powered Machine
2:02 - 3. You're Not Willing to Deal with Crashing
2:45 - 4. You Prefer a Minimal Desktop Experience
3:31 - 5. You Want to Configure Your Desktop from Scratch
4:00 - Conclusion
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Hat to say it, but the music is way too loud.
It’s a metaphor for KDE using so much RAM that you can’t hear anything else
There's music in this video? I thought I... I'm firing my editor! :)
Turn down the volume..
@@jacquesfaba55KDE, despite being so bloated, use same amount of RAM when I have librewolf opened, Which is is around 2.3G I think. Maybe closer to 2G. Same in Qtile and Sway
The music is loud enough to be an effective troll while still being reasonable enough that your voice is clear. Bravo!
Great video. Plasma is very stable for me, running under X on an Nvidia 3070. While I do use i3 quite a bit now, for general playing around, I have found nothing better than KDE.
Yeah, Plasma is hard to beat if you can get it running stable! That's a nice GPU - are you using it for gaming, deep learning, or video / cg / cad work? I'm interested to learn more about what software other Linux folks are running, and if there's another reason for choosing Linux outside of the obvious.
@@LinuxCreative It's my personal rig, but I do Linux development for work on it. There is a 3D visualization component to our product, and possibly more in the future. My work laptop has a A2000 in it, which is somewhat comparable in performance. That being said, I do dabble a great deal, and it was pretty cool being able to run Stable Diffusion on my home PC. :)
I quickly run out of vram in my local experiments and get CUDA errors. Definitely fun stuff though! It's pretty incredible what I CAN do with fastai and pytorch on my low powered GPU.
The only significant bug i experience in Debian is that sometimes in my work pc kde wont show the background. I was always a gnome user but since a freezing bug in my laptop i switched to kde and it is a pretty impressive desktop. It is also very focuses if you configure it the right way.
Yeah, to be fair, I really enjoy being able to search all my files at a keystroke.
KDE Plasma stole my car keys and led a trail of police to my place of residence where I faced several penalties pertaining to criminal negligence and accessory to manslaughter. I do find it runs better under AMD though
On Kubuntu at least you can choose a minimal install with KDE to only include a very sparse amount of Apps. I preferred this to build my desktop from scratch. Wish on other distros there was a plasma-desktop-minimal or something in the repos that had the same effect. It's funny because I love KDE as a desktop because I tinker with it to look my way but then use a ton of Gnome apps because of how simple and clean they look. Good video though!
I saw that while running multiple live ISO's making this video. KDE Neon is also pretty "minimal" and ships with almost no extra software. I think most distributions offer meta packages for minimal plasma installs for those who don't want the full suite! I used to use the Ubuntu mini or server iso because it was so small, then select the desktop I wanted to install from their CLI installer. I found that to work quite well.
I use kde with endeavourOS for about 4 months now, it feels really nice to use and the only problem I have regarding it is gaming. On X11 the stutters are terrible. On wayland most of the time, it doesn't display the window of the game and randomly crashes the system and I have to tty in another instance and kill the game and plasma instance, which is strange because I can't seem to find anyone else talking about these issues on kde
Very interesting. I like endeavourOS and have used KDE on eos. It's pretty close to base Arch in my experience.
Are those really KDE issues, or does that have more to do with the kernel and gpu drivers?
@@MNbenMN I use the latest linux-zen kernel available and also tested using the asusG14 kernel for arch and the same happens, my gpu is a radeon 6800m alongside the vulkan-radeon driver so it's definitely something kde related
What about now with the new updates ?
I used to hate KDE... but Plasma 6 won me over.
I've been using Linux since the 1990s, and I've been using KDE since 1.0 (Plasma didn't even exist back then, it was introduced in KDE 4).
That's awesome!
hi man, so I spent over month to make kde on my new laptop work. I it was crashing like crazy, I was able to crash less, but still.
so about me. Im linux user for over 16 years, was using gentoo, arch, mandrake, debian, slack..all of them ;)
to be fair - it wasnt vanila kde, it has kvantum and other fun stuff...but thats why you want kde - customization,
also it is pretty new hardware, with and APU+nvidia gpu , and I was using wayland .
after some time I moved to fedora kde spin and my problems are gone. its just works (almost, it was a bit laggy, but with some tweaks its working super stable and have all of those fancy stuff I was looking for)
It is hard to tell if this is only kde on arch not very stable, or it is somehow combined with drivers + mesa etc.
I did tried totaly different configs, mesa versions, ari drivers ad so on, but it was crashing still . also some glitches was showing a lot if you did turn on blur effect for transparency.
yes, gnome was stable, but at same time if I disable all transparency, blur effects, than sure, kde was stable.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience! I still use KDE daily on Arch. Every now and again, some updates will cause some issues for me, but overall, I've been happy with the performance.
1:25 Debian 11 shipped a version of KDE that used only 600 MB of RAM (on a 2 GB RAM computer), btw
That's great! I haven't tried KDE on a Raspberry Pi in a while. I did try Gnome recently and that was NOT GOOD.
@@LinuxCreative ...and I use "shipped" because now there is Debian 12 with recent version of KDE, which uses twice as much RAM on the same machine (but still usable!)
P.S. actually it's a netbook, not a desktop (or at least laptop), but that doesn't matter that much, I think.
P.S.S. Default LXDE is ugly, and LXQt has poor quality of Ukrainian translation 😖
2:03 yeah i already experience explorer crashes on windows 10 so meh,wouldn't have many issues with that unless it crashes like 10x more often,infact instead of crashing it usually just freezes,and never unfreezes so just crashing straight up is definitely an improvement 2:46 i'm already doing that on windows,so not much difference lol would install kde neon maybe if i didn't have mint installed already and wasn't too lazy to do so.
Neon is a cool project! Very bare bones, so great if you don't want a lot of bloat on your system.
I've tried many of these Linux desktop environments on Arch, Ubuntu, Debian, NixOS, Alpine, and all of them suck.
Settled with Cinnamon, then KDE...
I didn't try Deepin DE with Chinese telemetry though.
Windows OS is still my TOP 1, when it comes to the X86_64 desktop PC, because it doesn't require you a "special" hardware configuration to work properly,
For example just 2 components: High dpi monitor with fractional scaling and NVIDIA gpu.
All those options instantly narrow to: KDE + X11.
Other desktops allow you to set either 1.0 or 2.0. Fractional values 1.25, 1.5 etc, turn into a blurry mess.
KDE works best, but then you have an NVIDIA gpu...
Wayland is unusable. It is blurry mess with many visual artifacts and crashes.
X11 can be laggy and may suffer from tearing issues.
Add a "pager" widget with 2 or more virtual desktops to your task bar, then try to resize any window. WTF?
Running some games? Make sure to disable compositing to prevent a huge performance hit.
KDE and others can be configured to disable compositing automatically for native apps in the full-screen mode.
If you want to minimize that app window and continue to do some tasks in parallel, then say "goodbye" to your desktop effects and "hello tearing".
Enabling/disabling manually may (sometimes) lead to crash or other visual artifacts.
If your GPU usage becomes too high e.g by running heavy compute tasks(using CUDA etc), then
your desktop environment will turn into slideshow or freeze completely.
This issue is not present on AMD.
These are just some of those problems.
I think a lot of this stems back to the state of proprietary vs. open graphics drivers. I feel this pain too as a video creator. You often can't do what you need to with the open drivers, but the proprietary drivers aren't well tested and well... the community can't improve them. I personally replaced my AMD card with a lower cost NVIDIA GPU because I was tired of my graphics drivers breaking on every single kernel update. (not to mention, the AMD card seemed to have a jet engine attached to it, which is not great for a room I use to record music and vocals!)
In essence, it's kind of what we sign up for as Linux users. Just like with phones, If you want a phone to JUST WORK, buy an iPhone and it won't ever surprise you. If you know exactly what you want out of a phone, you can buy an android device, install LineageOS or some other ROM and do your own thing, but you're on your own when an update bricks it. We trade our warranties and convenience for the opportunity to customize and use our products the way we want to.
I don't have KDE crash problems on Fedora 38
i just recently switched manjaro kde plasma my god the kde plasma crashes are damn annoying i am going to xfce ... i get crashes almost every few hours using kde plasma ( i just recenetly jumped from windows to manjaro os so everything is still new to me and these crashes isn't giving me a good experience at all :(
Oh no! Manjaro is typically pretty stable. I gave my mother a computer running Manjaro and she loves it! I hope you have a better experience with the Xfce desktop. Good luck!
Thank you :) lol i only went with manjaro cause a friend recommended it to me when i asked him for a good distro now . i told him about the crashing issue and he was like he's also having the same problems and watching your video now i was like maybe its just kde plasma being buggy idk so i was like lemme just move over to xfce i just hope its much better and stable
KDE Plasma is stable on a stable system. I use it along with a simple window manager (OpenBOX) like you do. When I program, or I need as much memory as possible, I go for the OpenBOX, anything else with KDE Plasma. I will try to learn and use i3 or similar...
I should add that my linux don't use systemd and for that, is more stable and has a lot of free memory at users disposal...
Plasma with Openbox is definitely a solution in and of itself! And yes, the hybrid approach works super well. Use the necessary tool for the task. 🔥 Thanks for watching!
@@LinuxCreative I use them separately, depending on the task...
Your KDE "crashes" sound more like Arch. My MX23/21 Plasma never crashes; stall apps are simply killed.
Very well could be! Bleeding Edge tends to be buggy at times. I haven't had issues in a while with Plasma here. I still go back and forth between Plasma and Xfce I love each for different reasons.
I'm a Fedora user with Gnome as a DE but before this, I really loved KDE. The way you can easy customize it with in-built apps was the thing I loved but I cannot say the same for the widgets or the panel itself, so buggy and with that feel of "clunky". Always had problems or crashes so I moved to Mint with Cinnamon. Yeah, less customizable but everything felt right. Going back to Fedora thing, Gnome maybe it's not so customizable as KDE but the extensions helps a lot with productivity and I think thats more important than getting style (?
But i mean... The music IS very loud xD
I like KDE because it isn't Hyprland, which almost drove me insane.
im currently using hyprland, but im considering switching to kde because while i love customizability, i also really like having something thats simple to use.
Yeah, I think the biggest reason I still use KDE is that it looks fine right out of the box and functions close to what I would prefer with minimal tweaking.
Don't use KDE plasma if you have a nvidia GPU its very buggy (especially if you use any themes that rely on blur)
Specifically using nvidia drivers or the open source Nouveau drivers?
yet valve picked KDE to use with the steam deck... Jesus damn as a non linux user, this desktop it's abysmal.
Plasma 6 have a lotte of new bugs to you arguing for, it uses wayland by standart and wayland s***s realy hard
Crashes, craches and more crashes 🤗
Lol my fedora kde never crash. It will have time to time repo error that's all
Fedora is pretty solid! I loved using it when I was doing more Python programming.
You can fix most of your KDE issues by deleting the " plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc " in the ~/.config/ folder and restarting... chromium and cairo-dock have a tendency to corrupt that file, which contains the state of the desktop at logout
Thanks! I'll try that. :)
KDE is buggy. They implement so called "new features", but they bring more and more new bugs. It has that Windowish feeling. Its not stable. UI looks like WIndows95. New API changes eventually killed Latte dock. I have been using KDE for 5 years and im starting to lose hope. A real nice looking Linux Desktop seems to be DeepIn, but its chinese...
KDE3 was the sweet spot. That was definitely my favorite era of desktop design. It felt like the design concept for kde3, gnome2 and xfce was "Windows, but better" and they had succeeded. Knoppix and Slax were two of the sexiest distros I've ever used.
Very interesting! Do you currently use MATE?
@@LinuxCreative still on KDE.And I even think about switching to Mac. It's also UNIX like system and the Desktop is the best in the existence.
0:32 dont wanna be that guy but its shouldn't not should't
😂 How'd I miss that?
KDE crashing happen even in a stable build.
Good to know. Take a look at the other comments here. As one user pointed out, it could be tied to a config file that Plasma uses to load your last session maybe?
Too much features that I realy don't need. Xfce is enought for my needs.
Yeah, if you can find a good WM appearance and icon set for XFCE, you have a very useful and great looking desktop!