I think the optics of this for competitive Yu-Gi-Oh tournaments is NOT good. I respect technical, skill-intensive play as much as the next guy, but this crosses the line for me, logistically.
You know, for the past couple of months, I've just been okay with playing against myself in the comfort of my own home. I make the rules, and duel in formats of not only present, but also past, it immersive myself with "Okay, so this card was played in this year only, so I'm only going to use these cards" and It's been fun. Seeing Link Monsters being introduced, and that meme yugioh field like that makes me grateful that I stopped going to tournements, and simply play yugioh as a hobby, and not some competative approach, I'm not going to sink most of my time to yugioh, I wanna go watch movies, play video games, and walk outside, and feel like I'm playing Death Stranding all while keeping my job, and paying bills at the age of 30. Seeing that photo just makes me wanna stop playing if I ever go back to tournerment. I can only hope there will be a new rule of "Max Chains are 6".
I appreciate that one of the main people who got me to try YGO feels this way about it. This feels like the extreme end of the consistent issues I've had playing. It's one thing for cards to have a lot of small and unrelated text. But to me, having this many cards with this many effects is chaotic. As you pointed it, even the commentators got lost in it, and the major resolve ended with an empty board state. Something in the game needs to get streamlined, or they need to start throttling power and complexity so it doesn't *only* creep upwards.
The Forbidden/Limited list needs a hard reset at this point. Otherwise Konami will keep making decks that make other decks so obsolete that only the rich and wealthy players can afford which said rich and wealthy players have probably already moved on to greener pastures... Basically Konami needs to start to actually regulating the Forbidden/Limited list where even the most problematic cards are put their like in Goat Format from back in the day.
This really makes you wonder just how many times Yu-Gi-Oh can scrape the power ceiling before the whole thing finally collapses under all the complexity
Obviously they need to tune it down. They can still do that with a new master rule. If i am not mistaken master rules get announced every 3 year and this year would be that time. Who knows maybe theyve thrown out a deck this busted just to make everyone aware that something needs to change.
@@HiroofDeath Problem is, each time they try to slow down the game, especially during the invention of a new summoning type, it breaks the game in a completely worse way. 90% of duels become completely about these new summoning plays and all others become absolutely meaningless. Sad part is, there really is no balance in Yugioh anymore. In the anime/manga world, its ok for some duelist to play such broken cards as most limit themselves to a single archetype with mostly a single copy of a card with a small 5 or so splashables. In the real world? Hah!
@@HiroofDeath they need to add maxx c mechanic into the base game, or a masquerade effect to the game, and make it so both players can only deal a maximum of 1000 damage per turn no matter what. basicly every time you activate an effect, you need to pay 600 life. yugioh needs a cost system. with this system it forces people to play conservatively and don't vomit out their hand and they can't win anyways since they can only deal 1000. and the more cards you activate the closer you are to death
@@NeostormXLMAX I feel like a damage cap is too much. Still, I agree Yu-Gi-Oh needs a proper cost system. Discarding, Tributing, and Milling as a cost worked when Yu-Gi-Oh didn't have as many Graveyard effects. Now it's considered a second deck, and some decks, like Tear right now, their whole thing is they want to be sent to the Graveyard. If I were to give a resource to Yu-Gi-Oh, one way I would do it is inspired by games like Hearthstone and Shadowverse, where everyone starts with a number, let's call it EP(Effect Points), that's determined at the start of the game, and you're only allowed to activate that many effects per turn and the EP counters go up each turn. While some rogue decks that have ultra-long combos are hit, it also prevents degenerate infinite loop burn decks from being possible.
@@NeostormXLMAX Also, using LP as a resource for every effect feels like too much. One common thing among resource systems in other TCGs, like Magic, Hearthstone, Duel Masters, Shadowverse, etc., is that the resource replenishes itself at the start of every turn. However, LP isn't a renewable resource, so it doesn't feel right to use it as a resource for effects.
I ran a 62 card deck and would win locals regularly. I ran Dimensional Alchemists,Battle Faders,BLS,DD Warrior Ladys,Cyber Dragons,Chaos Sorcerers,Card Troopers,ahhh,the good old days.
I remember when the side deck was used here or there. You can't play Yugi without using your side deck anymore. I fcking hate Yugioh right now. It has become lame af
Power creep being to the point where the barrier to entry to be a playable deck means that you just literally play during your opponent's turn as if it's your own, I think that the game is kinda... At a point beyond repair. Like it was already a game where turn 1 was way too dominant, imagine having to scoop going FIRST because your opponent's board on their Turn 0 is stronger.
As a guy who has recently returned to yu-gi-oh but doesn't do competitive. Yeahhhhhhhh, the level of sheer dominance that Turn 1 can be has gotten almost ludicrious. Was just checking out some highlights of the event because I follow Jessie from Team SamuraiX and this exact same situation kept happening with him when he played Hani too. Got so confusing that Jessie legit had to ask whose turn it was. An emergency banlist would only be a temporary fix for this situation, they would have to literally start doing time limits just avoid Turn 1 lasting more then a half hour to set up an entire board. The game really needs to a hard reset at this point.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher Look how many people are using Tear. That's a problem too though. It's double edged they fixed Crsytron and now everyone plays the same most dominant deck. With a well balanced format there's multiple archetypes involved.
I agree if we had crystron and chaos ruler it would give punk and dragon link a huge boost where they could be relevant. Now the only relevant strategy is tear
There a called manga YUGIOH OCG STRUCTURE,because card effect and combo so complex rather draw in manga the mangaka decided explain in last page if the chapter what players do
This is a really complex game and fun for the competitive scene but I think we are in a place where we need a very hard reset to simplify the game and not have boards look like a game of commander in magic the gathering. Btw love when you guys and the prof interact in videos always a good time!
I would jump right back into the game if there was some form of soft reset like maybe they need to take a page out of MTG and limit the cards to certain sets reprint the cards that are staples.
@@babaG819 well clearly marking which tournament is what is easy enough. I don't think they will ever just be like having a tournament of LOB LON and newest pack only. But that does sound kinda cool lol. Its just when you get into yugioh now its like okay here is 170 words on these 140 cards and this is 1 set you got 20 more to memorize.
To be fair, commander is a 4 player format, and at the majority of tables I've went to we saw turn 6. This is 2 players, and if it's turn 5 they both bricked horribly
I've been playing Yu-Gi-Oh through master duel and emulators online with friends for a little while now, but one of my friends has been trying to convince me to put together a physical deck and play in person at the local game shop. I was honestly considering it. After seeing this though, I don't believe the thought will ever cross my mind again.
to be fair a lot of rogue decks are lot simpler and fun and closer to similar power levels. I do miss old school yugioh with the slower pacing sometimes.
Honestly if you're enjoying the game and have some money to spare (decks can be pricey depending on what you build), give it a try. I was the same, only played Master Duel and got pulled into the TCG by friends. It's lowkey fun playing with physical cards etc., and yes you may see these really strong decks at locals (Tears and Sprights are at mine) but you just have to remember it's a game and some losses are to be expected. Not defending this deck at all, i despise it, but definitely give the TCG a try even if you only play with your friends casually. Holding the physical cards is just such a cool feeling
They know what they doing when they make cards that why they ycs are bad and there no real prize money for going that why a lot of player cheated to get the most out of going to the event
it has already been a thing in the OCG for a while, without maxx C it was obvious it would take over the meta. i don't know if they prioritized selling cards over having a healthy game. it seems dumb, but it must be the thing, on master duel problematic cards were already banned on release, so it might be that TCG executives are greedy dumbf*cks.
The thing is, that they banned Chaos Ruler a couple of months ago, because it could mill 5 and revive itself. But it is a Lv. 8 Synchro, so not every deck can easily acces it. Then Konami prints the Ishizu cards, that can mill up to 20 and are accesible easily through the Main Deck. So the Chaos Ruler ban feels very dishonest now
It is never a good thing when most of your tournament is just the same deck. Even worse when those decks facing each other look like the aftermath of a drunken poker night.
I saw a really good video called “What even is a good meta?” and 2 things stuck out to me: 1) The video highlighted that in a game like rock/paper/scissors, each “strategy” has a foil, which is nice. 2) A comment on the vid that stated, “A healthy meta is one where the most competitive deck can still be reasonably beat.”
I really like how the first thing you do is congratulate the winner despite the deck being insane. I don’t even play yugioh but I love card games and have been enjoying your channel man, keep it up
Why did Konami do this? WTF? They made a deck that cannot be beat except once in a blue moon by every meta deck from 4 months ago when you had a healthy meta where nearly a doezen decks were viable. They literally told their player base that they must play/buy new cards of Tear/Spright bc everything else cant/barely can compete now.
@@Habeev07 You can absolutely beat these decks if you play cards meant to beat them, which just so happen to be some of the most popular cards in the game right now. And that's just what happens during a tier 0 format. At least this is one of the more fun/interactive ones and the other decks aren't unplayable, they're just not as good, unlike previous formats such as DAD, Dragon Ruler post Spellbook of Judgement ban, Chaos Turbo, or etc.
@@Ahloveyafuhso I'm not sure I'm entirely understanding your comment. I think it means you're referring to players on a strict budget, who can't afford any kind of tiered deck, which is fine. But the original commentor seemed to be referring to the quality of the format and variety of decks playable, where I was just pointing out that you can play other decks, its just not optimal enough for top cut YCS players to play them.
This is exactly why so many other card games have a resource system. If people find this overwhelming or a mess now, it will only get more so as the power creep keeps going up in new sets.
@@JuwanBuchanan I mean why not, I don't know to me the concept of forgoing a turn system all together in favor of interaction intensive games defined by priorities and chains doesn't sound that bad, it almost feels like a jump from turn based RPGs to real time and honestly if yugioh managed that kind of transition it could very well be the first card game to even try to get out of a "typical" turn based system which I'm not gonna lie I'm hella curious about. One of my friend told me once that learning yugioh felt like learning geometry and well maybe he was onto something. The whole idea sounds insane and I don't know I kinda like it.
@@shenwoo666hellbrawl It is an interesting concept, the only problem with it is there needs to be proper escalations of interaction. A duel is not much different from a fight. So in that regard, a fight between two where one starts with a poke in the shoulder and the opponent responds by pulling out a bazooka and blowing them to bits is not a sensible trajectory of events. This is much how the game can be anymore. And most aren't expecting their opponent to be so cutthroat to get the edge and the win condition.
@@pentagon56 Yeah I see what you mean with escalation but I don't know I feel like Yugioh may be onto something that could have some interesting potential. I mean at that point I think it really can go both ways, either yugioh starts putting more "limiters" in place, like I don't know adding maybe a set of "unegatable" actions in the rule themselves or harsher restrictions between phases (maybe something like restricted number of summons or even chains during main phase 1 and 2), take your pick but it would have to be something really drastic at that point because I agree that we may be reaching the absolute limits of what the current rules can support without totally breaking. This solution may alienate a lot of current players but could be a good bridge for new and returning players who don't necessarily want everything to turn into a 2 turns slug contest. The only other sensible alternative in my opinion would be to just take it next level and thus rethinking the game in the way I talked about in my earliest comment which would defenitely leave a whole bunch of archetypes in the dust and maybe force them to rethink card design as a whole. Now this would alienate just as much people and either way I agree that fundamentally things seem to have reached a pretty tipping point. I'm really curious to see how Konami is gonna navigate that one, and who knows maybe we are witnessing a new era for this game. This format seems to be absolutely rough to navigate through though that I will also agree with and I can't really blame players for feeling overloaded with all that can potentially happen on a yugioh board nowadays
I've been playing casually for 4 months now and really love the design of the cards; so I build decks around what looks cool to me and if it can be worked into a cohesive deck. My main problem has been trying to counter the stronger deck like Sprites and Tearlaments. It's very hard to not play "meta" when most deck builds won't match up to it in strength. One thing I've been trying to incorporate is utilising them banishing and milling my cards to the GY. It's been going.. OK. But now I feel like I'm only building decks specifically to counter Sprites and Tearlaments. It's already hard to build a cohesive deck, but it's even harder with decks like these being the usual opponent. It doesn't leave a lot of room for creativity and makes the matchups feel predictable and helpless at the same time. That's my take on it, sorry if it offends anyone. 🙏🌻
I feel you man. I like making decks that’s fit what I think looks cool and fits my personality and it’s very annoying how little room I have for personal creativity when you have to build decks to counter things you know will destroy you
KONAMI can simply limit the amount of special summons and/or chain links per turn...that would slow down the gane tremendously and level the playing field for older decks to compete. 20 years of playing this game and it still amazes me that KONAMI has not done this already.
I stopped playing around 2006. I’ve been curious about returning but really have no interest in the modern TCG. Even Rush Duel came out, it didn’t appeal to me because of the unlimited normal summons. I ended up trying it for a couple hours, but I got bored because of the unlimited summons and I’ve kinda given up on finding a format I like. I would be infinitely more interested in even the modern meta if there were a special summon limit.
I agree. It would also be fine to see these decks if you wait until the meta changes in case you don't want to show your strongest decks while they are competitive.
@@Ahloveyafuhso it's one thing to know the theory. If I had to guess all of them know a lot about the game and can play both at a casual and competitive level. I just think trell is the only member who actually plays competitive.
I really wish Mavens released in December because I really would've liked to see how the format would have developed post DABL without the Ishizu cards.
Everyone was hoping that Bystial would have at least done something but nope. just all Tear as far as the eye can see. Yet Bystial Lubellion is still over $60. Sad Thunder Dragon noises :(
My favorite era of Yu-Gi-Oh was when Synchros just came out. I had a lot of fun playing online during this time. I also played a fan made game where the Dark Synchros worked like they did in the anime and it was so fun making an unstoppable deck out of that. And you didn't win on turn 0 or turn 1 it was so back and fourth it was great.
Man,that's when Yugioh was at it's best. The back and forth,the anticipation,the luck of the draw,good times. But now,games end on turn 1. This is retarded. It really makes me sad. I used to love Yugioh...
My local card shop does YGO tournaments twice a week, and I like going there for socializing and some semi-casual play. Thankfully, there's always a nice variety of decks being played, so I only occasionally have to bash my face against the brick wall that is Spright/Tearlaments. Hell, I even managed to get 2nd place the other week with my Shaddoll/Branded/Despia/Dogmatika deck (unfortunately for me, somebody was playing Sprights that night). I'm only interested in building decks that are fun to play and have cool aesthetics, which unfortunately (or fortunately) does not include Sprights or Tearlaments. And I really do appreciate that most of the other players at my card shop feel the same.
YGO keeps pushing the limit of human memory, and I think this is the breaking point. One has to wonder how much testing Konami does. It's not a surprise that this happened when a bunch of mill cards are pushed to be meta-relevant.
Well said. I don't know how the deck works. From my impression, one issue with this deck is that human memory can't keep up with the number or chain links per chain. They say people can only keep seven things in their short term memory at the same time.
@@apoptosisduellinks109 At this rate players will have to bring pre-made checklists of cards in their deck so they can mark of what effects have been activated. YGO plays more like WH40K than a TCG and takes about as long.
@@apoptosisduellinks109 It'll be in the form of custom playmats with all the card pictures on them. The policy on notes has always been nonsense. "Caveman YGO" isn't supposed to refer to our communication technology.
@@juksleo6257 this kind of thing bleeds over into locals too, wich is bad for the game as it scares of newcomers. only reliable place you wont come across this is with close friends that dont play to win, but to enjoy the decks they play, like me and my friends do.
@@juksleo6257 yugioh at its core is about winning, and Konami sure knows how to make players feel helpless by not buying the newest cards to help them win
Meanwhile we have players on Twitter saying “yeah I enjoy this complex skill intensive format” disregarding 75% mirror matches and everyone playing the same deck. Ok. I’m sure they’ll stop feeling that way after another week or two.
I agree with you. Even casuals are running the same decks. There's no uniqueness anymore. With the direction that Yugioh is still going towards, It's going to look like the thumbnail but with a lot more cards in it.
Nah man, master duel was kinda a fix imo. Ban list is way shorter making there tons of decks that can work. You run into casuals that use otk/ftk just quit out and move on.
Calling someone a Yugiboomer has always just been a way of dismissing criticism against the game. If you play modern Yugioh and didn't think it would eventually end up like this, you're crazy.
@@fernandobanda5734 u bad players need to because it how the game is not cry about it say ban it the deck learned the match up and how u play the game better
It’s been 2 years going on 3 since I’ve played YGO. Been somewhat keeping up with what’s been going on as time has been passing. And yeah… haven’t had a single thought of wanting to play again. And seeing news like this helps not go back🤷🏻♂️
This is what a lot of people hate to accept is this format is so beyond not new player friendly. We can’t just keep letting the game become more insane and expect the community to grow.
When I first started playing yugioh, normal summon Mathematician, send Squamata, send Beast, set 2 and pass was a good first turn. Now... it's just incomparable, like a different game.
Hopefully this leads to an adjustment to the time rules, but I'm sure they'll first try to cover it in a banlist. I will say that this format reminds me a lot of the dragon ruler format. That matchup in the mirror was very skillfull and almost every decision mattered, but dragon rulers never posed a threat to the literal legisitics of a tournament
Ah yes. Dragon rulers...he who summoned big eye first lost. Lol. To be fair, we had maxx c back then lol Or you were me...and played a shenanigan dragon ruler build...with skill drain and solidarity...
Man, I was watching the final round of the YCS and couldn't understand what was going on. By the time I got to understand an effect 5 more had already been activated.
Righttttt, as much as the community dumps on timelords but when you go boom summon timelord do its effect end the turn, you definitely get to understand that more then 1 turn with these new decks lmao.
@@golgariplague4746 The first part is simply the ban list. And the second part would completely change the game. Honestly I feel like they should limit the hand size down to 4 starting off and next player draws one to make 5
@@dcrappa1 the game needs new formats. Honestly wasting money on tcg games like this is like modern casino/gambling. It will blow up in everyone's face later and you all will look stupid considering the money you waste on this crap lol
@@golgariplague4746 what concern is it to you on how people spend their money and what they spend it on? Are you their personal banker? I bet you waste money on "crap" as well. Best to keep your nose on your own face bro and focus on yourself. As for limiting summoning, you can't do that in yugioh especially since pretty much every single deck requires summoning a lot to do anything.
@@phoenixkai9862 what about a boss monster limitation instead? like you are allowed to summon as many times as your deck is able to, but you are only allowed 1 boss monster on your field at the end of your turn? and if you have multiple on your field by the time you end your turn you would be forced to send however many you have to the GY until you only control 1. similar to the hand size rule where you have to send cards in your hand to the Gy if you have more than 6 in hand until you only have 6. and no gy effects would trigger either cuz if sending cards for hand size doesn't trigger GY effects then neither would sending boss monsters for boss monster limitations. not sure how helpful this idea would be but would like to hear others opinions all the same.
I’ve seen a bunch of comments saying how this format is skill oriented and saying people should stop crying because there’s a lot of interactive gameplay in the mirror match. But no one wants to get stomped out by the same $500+ deck over and over again. It’s either play tearelament ishizu/ kashtira/bystial or die
This is the very picture illustrating Power Creep. Honestly, I love it. Not because I play it or will even play against it. If I see someone play a Floo/Tear/Sprite card I will get up and walk away on the spot. However, I am happy because this toxic bullshit has gotten so out of hand that even the Competitive Copium Players who would try and denounce me with "Just draw the Out" or "You're just a YugiBoomer" are now reaping what they sowed. You kept incentivizing Konami to print these broken cards. Now deal with the consequences of your actions when noone plays with you, or worse...You play against someone as sweaty and toxic as you and now you get to swallow the poison that is a 14 minute turn 1, chain 42 combo deck. And then in your next match see the exact same thing with a slight tweak in a card or 2 as a tech pick.
You'd go to locals to get up and walk away? Pay money to not duel? Yeah bro, you seem mentally stable. Get up and walk away from trading cards lol did you think this would make you sound tough?
Even during the pendulum format, shit wasn't THIS bad EDIT: Would it be fair that tear lament are the new infernities in terms of how these shenanigans are going to affect the way cards are designed/yugioh is played?
well considering Tear is like tier 0 so basically... they have to powercreep them for things to change or gut them to death and i really can't imagine how badly they can further powercreep gameplay besides ending on even bigger board with disruptions and negations or Tower monster, on from what we're basically seeing is things being played during your opponents turn on turn 1,
Probably gonna affect future card design and even potentially tournament time rules While Infernities are basically the reason HOPT exists, this deck might just make future card design mirror cards like Time Thief Adjuster and Aluber the Jester of Despia, where they can have more than 1 effect but can use exactly 1 of those effects in a single turn
Dude I stopped playing when performapals came out, got curious on the state of the game today and I have no clue what in the hell is happening anymore lol
Competitive Yugioh is moving further and further into a realm where the only people who are enjoying it are the most insular dedicated players. The only people who can keep up and enjoy this Tear/Ishizu stuff are the Tear players themselves. The only other decks getting representation are basically anti-Tear or Mystic Mine turbo. On top of that the logistical speed of the game overall feels like it’s being designed for automated duel simulators (MD, EdoPro, etc) rather than human play. It’s becoming increasingly difficult anyone who doesn’t have a super computer for a brain to keep up with just how much interaction is happening, ESPECIALLY within a 40min time limit (not saying it’s impossible, but it’s very easy for competitive Yugioh players to not recognize growing problems because they’re so engrossed in the system already).
Throwing your whole deck on the field was a meme back when Pendulum Monsters were introduced, now it's how to actually play the game competitively - life imitating art.
@@nukash1ne194 is hilarious that grass is banned of TCG but now Ishizu can mill more than fucking grass but is not even limited. At this point why not unlimit Delinquent duo or painful choice if milling cards is not even a problem anymore.
It's gotten to the point even if it's your main phase 1 turn 1 they resolve so many chains 8 to 10 min has burned off the clock before you even get to finish your turn.
I'm a magic player who casually follows a couple ygo channels just because the game is nostalgic to me. Looking at that board, it looks like something a token player would come up with in MTG, not someone spewing their whole deck out (outside of the Commander format).
Yugioh faster thou and all those token have effects too. Magic gonna end up the same in the future. There making everything faster too like the cards that came out in those commader sets that cast spell for free if you control your commader.
You can have skilled play without one deck being at 81% representation. If you think this format is ok because you enjoy the mirror I can understand that, but the way Ishizu Tear nullifies any rogue representation is wrong. If you can't understand why people would be upset then you are selfish and narcissistic. Team APS, stop sugar coating it. Yes, logistically this looks bad, but it looks bad from any standpoint because this game costs money and peoples time. People work hard to be able to afford and compete in yugioh, and this much of a power creep for one deck is clearly unfair to people who invested their money into other "once competitive" decks.
Why did Konami do this? WTF? They made a deck that cannot be beat except once in a blue moon by every meta deck from 4 months ago when you had a healthy meta where nearly a doezen decks were viable. They literally told their player base that they must play Tear/Spright bc everything else cant/barely can compete now.
EXACTLY. They banned cards as Chaos Ruler and Halqi that support older cards while giving Tearlaments, which was already Tier 1, extra support with Ishizu to make it unstoppable. And that is ON PURPOSE so everyone will go and buy the new cards. Youre not supposed to play with cards you already own since a while, you shall go out and buy new cards. Its because Konami is such a piece of sh*t. They did the same when it came to videogames. They scrapped all their great IPs to make Pachinko out of it :P Pachinko are like gambling automats in asia.
Theyve done this over and over b/c they don't care. Thats why i quit many years ago. I only play older formats b/c they dont have so much nonsense like this. I don't think i could even play these decks if i tried because theres so many effects to keep track of. Id need to be like taking notes to remember the chain link order...
just ignore them, a hit in event attendance is what they respond to with proper banlists , ie , they're forcing players to play 1 deck this format so don't play , there are older formats that can be played instead outside of these events
I just had the realization that Vanity's Call may be a real sideboard or even mainboard-playable card right now and that feels mind-numbing to even ponder.
Yugioh as a game sucks all kinds of ass now. I will forever say that Synchro summon monsters were the beginning of the end. As soon as the extra deck became as accessible as your own hand, it ruined the game from then on. Monsters powers and abilities and ease of summoning is too out of hand and probably will never be fixed.
I feel like this sort of thing is inevitable when your TCG / CCG doesn't have formats. You have to encourage players to buy more cards. If old cards never rotate out, you either have to design more interesting cards or more *powerful* cards to entice players to buy. A system like this will inevitably hit a breaking point. I think what Yugioh desperately needs is new formats.
That picture is more of an example of bad habits of some of the top players, especially Pak. He's constantly shuffling graveyards and placing cards on the field that don't belong there. He's not the only one, but definitely twitches and messes with card orders more noticeably than others in feature matches. With a standard yugioh mat, you have play space behind your spell/trap zone to resolve effects like this without it looking like complete chaos. This is why back in the 5D's era, they didn't allow players to fan the graveyard across the field at events; the judges have gotten way more lax with proper card placement.
that and they have to make fusions... less generic. Having super poly with so many generic fusions really hurts the other ED types since well... Synchros, XYZ doesn't really have a Super poly like to counter fusions while fusions just keeps getting more generic super poly targets to further break board.
I feel like archetype lock for main deck is a great idea but not for both main an extra as some archetypes don't have a great boss monster to go into, so they end up using more generic options to help them out. however I agree that completely generic options that can be thrown into anything is ridiculous. so instead I propose Type locking the extra deck, just as an inherent rule to the game, you are archetype locked when building a main deck, and type locked when making a extra deck. so no more throwing in random engines into every deck, no more "oh you broke my board of boss monsters ok well now I'll go into all my generic extra deck cards and make a boss monster that doesn't share anything in common with my archetype at all just cuz I can". side deck can still be filled with staples like dark ruler, or handtraps etc cuz those cards imo are kind of a necessity at this point. but I feel like they should only be limited to the side deck cuz if you can throw them into the main or extra deck for no downsides, everyone will just run 10 handtraps and staple cards in the main sometimes more, turning your deck that is meant to be unique into either one 4th of a deck everyone else is playing, or half your deck isn't even a deck anymore but instead staple cards. IDK if this idea is better or not but I'm sure it'd be more helpful than just letting the game be as it is rn.
i think they will limit the cards at release as they did with DPE and Adventure, also, Maxx C is at 3, so i don't think it will be tier 0 as with the TCG
@@Badbufon once Ishizu came out Tears have been consistently at ~50% usage for the past few months in ocg, with Spright being ~50% before Ishizu came out. Konami will probably gut Spright and Ishizu but not Tearlaments themselves because they weren’t nearly as strong as they are with Ishizu support but they were still getting decent usage.
@@Badbufon the difference is that with maxx c, the theory is it slows down but with Orange light that’s negligible. It also helps decks like labrynth and d maids which was viable in the OCG be rogue.
Besides the pre-nerf konami might implement before it comes, the fact that we have 300s time limit is a huge nerf to this too. Some combo decks we have in the game can almost time out already.
the competition was hit on the banlist , looping dimension shifter with floowandereeze is a win but not at all a hard counter , too unreliable , it's also kinda boring , I like dimension shifter exosister , but it's still relying on shifter , & that's just to be able to play, not to counter , manufactured tier zero format
I would like to see a video about powercreep theory and how it relates to yugioh as a business and keeping player base. I feel like you don't have to make overpowered cards on this fast of a level to do that.
The finals and the deck itself really demonstrates how Master Duel could've been the best medium for the current format, if they really do plan on it being their e-sport game.
As a recent returning player this stuff is terrifying and heartbreaking. I've loved this game since when I was a kid, but seeing how much the power of the game has changed and how easily some of its problems could be fixed via common tcg practices (rotating set list, rulings book, alt formats), it makes me wonder if it was worth getting back into
I’ve always been a casual player and it’s such a struggle to play sometimes because I just wanna have fun. Half of the time I just surrender because the first turn is taking 10 minutes.
@@apoptosisduellinks109 I've hear of goat, but my favorite decks are all modern archetypes like Adamancipator, Albaz, and Code Talkers. Even if they aren't competitively viable, they're a tone of fun to play
With my friends we play a draft of all old school cards and some no OP new cards, almost 500 cards. Man... so much fun. Without all the premade decks where Konami tells you how to play your deck and combos, you have to choose your cards THINKING what effects work better with other non directly connected cards. Like we did in the all days where Yami still appeared in the boosters portrait. Thematic deck and ultra fast cards are a killing machine for creativity and fun. If your opponent has to see you playing for minutes while you excavate your deck more than 1 time, something is wrong. Yu-Gi-Oh! is anti-fun right now.
5:50 This happened in Magic: the Gathering on a much smaller scale. The card Sensei's Divining Top was card that bordered on broken, but Wizards of the Coast banned it because the best way to use it would take minutes. And this was not like a slow play tactic... well, it generally wasn't... it just used time.
Umm....... Not even close. It was legal in legacy, and was banned for some players being too damn slow when using it. The card itself is in no way "broken". It was pre-banned in modern, because WotC loathed the idea of control decks being playable in that format, as, at the time, they were dominant in legacy.
I'm just exhausted with yugioh right now. The best thing about yugioh was always trap cards. I just love literally setting a trap for my opponent to walk into. I'm not saying I don't love combos because I do but the game has gotten to a point where trap cards seem useless.
Might as well run Skull Invitation and Dark Room of Nightmare, of course with the Trickstar cards. There's also Chain Energy, Red-Eyes Flare Metal Dragon, Odd-Eyes Gravity Dragon, and Masquerade the Blazing Dragon.
I dislike hearing the word skill being thrown around for this format or mirror. Simply because we are lowering our expectations on what a skillful duelist is. Knowing your chains is a necessity, not a skill. Without that, there's no Yu-Gi-Oh really.
So, I haven’t played yugioh since ritual beasts were decent - that was my favorite deck. Since then I pivoted to magic, but was thinking of getting back into the game. This just looks insane and completely unfun to me. I’m sure there’s some skill involved but the power creep has just gotten so bad that it is a completely different game than what I remember
Don't, i buy ygo cards for collection, to it is impossible, you need to look up people online explaining how decks work since cards are full of text that you even forget some effects. And the game us unplayable. Mtg is playable due to mana escalation, it takes a while to play big monsters. Even tho you already see people killing opponents in 2 turns like in ygo but not as much. But honestly investing money on TCG nowadays is like gambling, at the end you just lose money for a dumb game
try duel links maybe , can even still play ritual beasts there if you can back them up with good trap cards , it's been consistently rogue for years there despite banlist hits , though the deck there plays simpler than tcg used to
@@justinmadrid8712 Luck is a factor for individual matches, but not over the long run. Skill still trumps luck in the format, which is proven by the same group of top players topping or winning all the events. Burn is not tier 1 and not close to being one of the most popular decks. Burn was overrepresented at the world championship 2021 because people were under prepared. This year at worlds, burn didn't do so well.
After seeing this, I'm glad I quit years ago. Fishborg blaster being banned bck in the day scuffed my frog deck so I quit. The game looks like its just become more and more of a clusterfuck over the years.
In ocg right now there are quite a few, although ishizu tear is still 50%, at least there’s some variety. Hopefully master duel is going to mirror that.
the nature of competitive games means that the majority at these events is gonna play the one thing that will give them the best chance to win. i got back into the game last month after 10+ years away, and i just hate seeing these kinda decks, its just boring and takes out most of the game part of it. so i convinced a friend to also get back into it and we just play with thematic decks and other non meta decks for fun, winning is secondary. we have not yet played a deck that could win reliably, and its tons of fun.
@@RanRayu thoughts are similar to yours, i just usually go to my locals to play for fun, winning is a secondary objective for me and seems like what youre doing is super fun aswell!
@@trost7860everytime i've played master duel whenever a new pack has come out, usually its those kind of decks being played, or just stun/control decks which dont let you play the game at all sadly
The whole thing that made yugioh fun for me was how fast-paced it used to be, and now it’s just slow, messy and when you’re on the opposite end of the table, it can be absolutely boring at times. And I see people putting down strategies like activating branded expulsion to put ra’s disciple on the opponent’s board to stop them from spamming by calling it “skill-less” but defend boards with 20 Omni-negates and these kind of decks where they kill half the deck and activate 10 effects and think of it as “fun”. The time limit exists for a reason and these people spit on it by playing to time every match.
Im just now trying to get back into it after not playing for 10 years and man...I'm so lost and confused by so much. It used to be so simple and fun to build different decks and actually played turns. These new decks and rules are why they probably aren't attracting as many players as they could due to the complexity of it all. I miss the 2005-2011 local scene lol.
Even casual you Yu-Gi-Oh is a mess right now. The only thing that's going to fix it is if they limit how many times you can special someone per turn how many times you can activate searching effects how many times you can activate rolling effects and how many times you can activate excavation effects. I I would say probably like three per turn. But I know everyone's going to end up hating this comment but they always do because they know it's true.
Who would have thought that release broken archertype one after another would lead to this? Adventure, Spright, Tear, Branded,... like the powercreep is only escalating where one archertype just straight up dabbed on the previous one.
Yesterday i @ ed my friends on discord if we could play games, while i waiting i decided to play master duel. During my opponents turn my friend was able to make a sandwich and finish it BEFORE my opponent finished their turn. Yugioh does need to be less combo heavy and absurd
Konami needs to support time wizard by reprinting banned pre errata staples that were legal in past formats. For example, trap dustshoot, metamorphosis, and tribe infecting virus are about 8-12 dollars each. Konami didn't even reprint virus in the mako legendary duelists set and it's been off the banlist for years now. They just need to do more to make the old staples cheaper to make time wizard as accessible as possible
@@zionthomas369 Time Wizard format is what konami is calling their sanctioned older format tournaments in ots. I wasn't referring to the time wizard card
I honestly agree with you. Given how much people like to play past formats, Time Wizard Format is clearly a hidden mine full of gems and precious metals waiting to be unearthed.
This level of complexity is obviously not the norm, but it's exactly the reason i gave up trying to keep up with modern yugioh years ago. The worst mistake i made was taking a break between the synchro era and the pendulum era. Came back to the game and now i have no clue where to even start
I got back in Yugioh for a year now and everytime a new set is released I lose the interest to continue playing it. I mean, look at that. That is not yugioh. Or at least not what it should be, what it was created to be. I try casual and rogue decks, because I find them way more fun, but it's amazing how many people seems to have a huge ego and won't allow themselves to play with anything less than tier 1 decks. I wish Konami gives a little more love to Speed Duel, because in a single box of it I can see more yugioh than I've been seeing in the last years on the TCG.
You know there's a problem when a professional announcer of one of the biggest tournaments in the game says "who knows" in response to a question about something that had just happened in the game they're currently commenting on....
We litterally have had a booster box and set come out right after each other. Need to have more space between releases. Especially if the next set is so broken it makes the booster box irrelevant
Product fatigue is real, lol. I went hard for a couple of years, and now I'm just burnt out trying to keep up. I don't understand why they'd ban cards like anaconda and then put out absolutely broken cards right after.
honestly, modern yugioh just feels so out of hand that it almost requires a complete reset to get things manageable. ya know the memes: essays of card text, everything has negates or some other absurd power. Though casually, the game is still loads of fun, it's just extremely overwhelming to even consider joining a tournament for fun when your opponent can whip out their entire deck. Powercreep just feels like an understatement when it comes to card power and effects, especially for people who started back in the day when 3k attack normal monsters were seen as nearly impossible odds to defeat without something like maneater bug and now 3k is just a bare minimum requirement for a beat stick. I dunno, maybe some way of easing newer (and returning) players in would be good first, and getting them to understand that things don't need to be complex at first, and maybe build them up to a more in-depth strategy for decks. I feel Pokemon TCG has been doing a good job at this lately with their decks and products having Play Levels on them, with a 3 star rating to show. 1 star products are very simple and easy to use decks for players to learn the game, but they won't be winning any tournaments with that. 2 star is intermediate with some more serious structure and strategy, but still needs a little loving and creativity to make work in a competitive setting. And then 3 star decks are decks that are practically tournament-ready, built for consistency and an unrelenting strategy of some sort. You may not win the tournaments with one of those decks, but you still stand a decent chance at winning a few matches. I feel Yu-Gi-Oh! could benefit from structure decks made in that way with a clear indication of what sort of things players are getting into. But that's just my brainfart being an old hat player coming back in recent years. I like a lot of the new mechanics they've added in my time away, but I won't lie about how overwhelming it is to get back into. And cards with literal paragraphs of text didn't help. I'd like people to know that it's okay to take their time to slowly process mechanics, and maybe a line of starter decks and intermediate decks being put out in kits can help players learn and ease in better..
If self milling has always been such a powerful thing in card games, where even Magic had to learn never to make it so extreme again, why did they create an entire archetype based around it?
This is far from the first Yugioh archetype to do self milling. Lightsworns, Infernoids, every deck that ran Grass when it was legal and etc. This mechanic is far from new and will probably be revisited one time or another
@@waiyon1951 this is what bothers me, cards such as grass being banned in the tcg which the only thing that it currently does is make certain rogue decks just worse for no reason, yet the meta is basically just the same as using grass
I don't think the mills are the problem, it's the Tearlament cards. They have no restrictions with extremely powerful effects. Orcust got hit with the ban hammer because they could do all their plays on their opponent's turn. Tear is the sane way, if not worse, because at least Orcust locked you into Dark.
The arguably second strongest deck of the format is Spright and if you watch how they play, its more of a resource grind game while putting a few disruptions on board, kind of like a stronger version of Sky Striker when it was at full power. Now take a look at Tear, the deck basically allows you to mill your entire deck and chain nearly everything together on your opponents turn no less! Tear breaks Yugioh by allowing the deck to be considered an easily accessible resource. I cannot imagine the sort of powercreep that would be needed to keep Tear in check without severely crippling the deck on the banlist. Either hit Tear now or wait for whatever unholy abomination of an archetype comes to usurp it
New Exodia cards. Main Card Exodia's Mom, level 1 effect monster. 0 Atk 0 Def. If this card is in your hand, graveyard or banished you can special summon it, even on your opponents turn. The summoning and following effect cannot be negated or disrupted. Draw as many Exodia cards as you want from your deck and/or graveyard to your hand. You may also return banished Exodia cards to your hand. Problem solved. Tear to tear user
This is ridiculous, to use that many cards in one turn is just wrong. Play 52 card pick up or solitaire if you just want to have a bunch of cards on the mat. The whole game needs to be reset and started over.
I think the optics of this for competitive Yu-Gi-Oh tournaments is NOT good. I respect technical, skill-intensive play as much as the next guy, but this crosses the line for me, logistically.
@@kenneth-ik8sd Okay.
You know, for the past couple of months, I've just been okay with playing against myself in the comfort of my own home. I make the rules, and duel in formats of not only present, but also past, it immersive myself with "Okay, so this card was played in this year only, so I'm only going to use these cards" and It's been fun. Seeing Link Monsters being introduced, and that meme yugioh field like that makes me grateful that I stopped going to tournements, and simply play yugioh as a hobby, and not some competative approach, I'm not going to sink most of my time to yugioh, I wanna go watch movies, play video games, and walk outside, and feel like I'm playing Death Stranding all while keeping my job, and paying bills at the age of 30. Seeing that photo just makes me wanna stop playing if I ever go back to tournerment. I can only hope there will be a new rule of "Max Chains are 6".
I appreciate that one of the main people who got me to try YGO feels this way about it. This feels like the extreme end of the consistent issues I've had playing. It's one thing for cards to have a lot of small and unrelated text. But to me, having this many cards with this many effects is chaotic. As you pointed it, even the commentators got lost in it, and the major resolve ended with an empty board state.
Something in the game needs to get streamlined, or they need to start throttling power and complexity so it doesn't *only* creep upwards.
@@apsamplifier hey there's someone with a one day old account impersonating you guys in the comment section
The Forbidden/Limited list needs a hard reset at this point. Otherwise Konami will keep making decks that make other decks so obsolete that only the rich and wealthy players can afford which said rich and wealthy players have probably already moved on to greener pastures...
Basically Konami needs to start to actually regulating the Forbidden/Limited list where even the most problematic cards are put their like in Goat Format from back in the day.
Looking at that turn one makes me think the judge had to stop the game for a smoke break before turn 2.
I know this was a joke but I went to Pasadena and the head judge and assistant head judges kept going out to smoke lmao
He probably didnt even smoke lmao
I think two shots and a spliff on that break is what he needs.
There's no turn 2 in yugioh lmao
@@FlawlessRuby only is if have DRNM... evenly matched.. or kaijus.. otherwise you're fked going 2nd
This really makes you wonder just how many times Yu-Gi-Oh can scrape the power ceiling before the whole thing finally collapses under all the complexity
Obviously they need to tune it down. They can still do that with a new master rule. If i am not mistaken master rules get announced every 3 year and this year would be that time.
Who knows maybe theyve thrown out a deck this busted just to make everyone aware that something needs to change.
@@HiroofDeath Problem is, each time they try to slow down the game, especially during the invention of a new summoning type, it breaks the game in a completely worse way. 90% of duels become completely about these new summoning plays and all others become absolutely meaningless. Sad part is, there really is no balance in Yugioh anymore. In the anime/manga world, its ok for some duelist to play such broken cards as most limit themselves to a single archetype with mostly a single copy of a card with a small 5 or so splashables. In the real world? Hah!
@@HiroofDeath they need to add maxx c mechanic into the base game, or a masquerade effect to the game,
and make it so both players can only deal a maximum of 1000 damage per turn no matter what.
basicly every time you activate an effect, you need to pay 600 life.
yugioh needs a cost system.
with this system it forces people to play conservatively and don't vomit out their hand and they can't win anyways since they can only deal 1000.
and the more cards you activate the closer you are to death
@@NeostormXLMAX I feel like a damage cap is too much. Still, I agree Yu-Gi-Oh needs a proper cost system. Discarding, Tributing, and Milling as a cost worked when Yu-Gi-Oh didn't have as many Graveyard effects. Now it's considered a second deck, and some decks, like Tear right now, their whole thing is they want to be sent to the Graveyard. If I were to give a resource to Yu-Gi-Oh, one way I would do it is inspired by games like Hearthstone and Shadowverse, where everyone starts with a number, let's call it EP(Effect Points), that's determined at the start of the game, and you're only allowed to activate that many effects per turn and the EP counters go up each turn. While some rogue decks that have ultra-long combos are hit, it also prevents degenerate infinite loop burn decks from being possible.
@@NeostormXLMAX Also, using LP as a resource for every effect feels like too much. One common thing among resource systems in other TCGs, like Magic, Hearthstone, Duel Masters, Shadowverse, etc., is that the resource replenishes itself at the start of every turn. However, LP isn't a renewable resource, so it doesn't feel right to use it as a resource for effects.
Looks like a perfectly good game of 52 card pick up to me.
…now I’m tempted to make a 52 card Ishizu Tear deck for the meme
@@sfritts10 do it, and upload a video of a duel with that and send me the link. i need to see that
I ran a 62 card deck and would win locals regularly. I ran Dimensional Alchemists,Battle Faders,BLS,DD Warrior Ladys,Cyber Dragons,Chaos Sorcerers,Card Troopers,ahhh,the good old days.
Finally a yugituber that isn't high on copium and doesn't pretend this meta is actually fine because "the mirror is skillful bro".
You mean goat format? I wonder if we'll see a new tear format
Mirrors always require skill as they test your knowledge of the deck, but it's a cop out in a tier 0 format to say that
I remember when the side deck was used here or there. You can't play Yugi without using your side deck anymore. I fcking hate Yugioh right now. It has become lame af
Power creep being to the point where the barrier to entry to be a playable deck means that you just literally play during your opponent's turn as if it's your own, I think that the game is kinda... At a point beyond repair.
Like it was already a game where turn 1 was way too dominant, imagine having to scoop going FIRST because your opponent's board on their Turn 0 is stronger.
Yeah the fact that a deck even has a chance to be able to make a floodgate fusion monster during your first turn is WAY too much
This.
Hard reset time.
As a guy who has recently returned to yu-gi-oh but doesn't do competitive. Yeahhhhhhhh, the level of sheer dominance that Turn 1 can be has gotten almost ludicrious. Was just checking out some highlights of the event because I follow Jessie from Team SamuraiX and this exact same situation kept happening with him when he played Hani too. Got so confusing that Jessie legit had to ask whose turn it was. An emergency banlist would only be a temporary fix for this situation, they would have to literally start doing time limits just avoid Turn 1 lasting more then a half hour to set up an entire board. The game really needs to a hard reset at this point.
Komami knows the game is fucked. That's why they plan to hopefully have rush duels take its place.
Can’t believe they banned chaos ruler just to put a deck like this out.
And Crystron. I feel they banned Crystron because it was the only competition to these stupid cards they're selling now.
This is why i happily kept Mystic mine in my Swordsoul deck. I had it taken out for a little while... but then DWBL/MAVENS happened...
@@FullUhFools Nah crystron was a huge problem because of how many decks were using it.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher Look how many people are using Tear. That's a problem too though. It's double edged they fixed Crsytron and now everyone plays the same most dominant deck. With a well balanced format there's multiple archetypes involved.
I agree if we had crystron and chaos ruler it would give punk and dragon link a huge boost where they could be relevant. Now the only relevant strategy is tear
This is what you call "TOO much" yugioh
Nope. Just a toxic playstyle and preference for power meta combined with lack of understanding of proper outs from 10 years ago
@@MayonakaMidnighter Mhh yes. Not like pros like Joshua Schmidt already commented on how ridiculus this bs is, but hey, you surely know better lol
@@roarbahamut9866 Dude that behavior is exactly what I'm talking about.
@@MayonakaMidnighter what about your behavior you just lashed out at someone who dared to disagree with you. That isn’t toxic behavior?
@@codename1176 "I'm right, you're wrong".
I would love to see someone make a manga/anime about this. One turn alone would take 20 episodes to just resolve all the effects
Sounds like dragon ball z.
I think I recall a joke like this in the abridged. Some random enemy just started going off resolving effects and the protagonist was confused.
This would NOT be fun
There a called manga YUGIOH OCG STRUCTURE,because card effect and combo so complex rather draw in manga the mangaka decided explain in last page if the chapter what players do
This is a really complex game and fun for the competitive scene but I think we are in a place where we need a very hard reset to simplify the game and not have boards look like a game of commander in magic the gathering. Btw love when you guys and the prof interact in videos always a good time!
I would jump right back into the game if there was some form of soft reset like maybe they need to take a page out of MTG and limit the cards to certain sets reprint the cards that are staples.
Multiple formats. Simplicity for sure but it can be expanded on a bunch. The problem is that it's trying to do both at the same time.
@@babaG819 well clearly marking which tournament is what is easy enough. I don't think they will ever just be like having a tournament of LOB LON and newest pack only. But that does sound kinda cool lol. Its just when you get into yugioh now its like okay here is 170 words on these 140 cards and this is 1 set you got 20 more to memorize.
@@Torbarian see but that's the cool part.
To be fair, commander is a 4 player format, and at the majority of tables I've went to we saw turn 6.
This is 2 players, and if it's turn 5 they both bricked horribly
I've been playing Yu-Gi-Oh through master duel and emulators online with friends for a little while now, but one of my friends has been trying to convince me to put together a physical deck and play in person at the local game shop. I was honestly considering it. After seeing this though, I don't believe the thought will ever cross my mind again.
to be fair a lot of rogue decks are lot simpler and fun and closer to similar power levels. I do miss old school yugioh with the slower pacing sometimes.
don't worry, in a few months this deck will be useless because konami will want to sell the newest cards
Honestly if you're enjoying the game and have some money to spare (decks can be pricey depending on what you build), give it a try. I was the same, only played Master Duel and got pulled into the TCG by friends. It's lowkey fun playing with physical cards etc., and yes you may see these really strong decks at locals (Tears and Sprights are at mine) but you just have to remember it's a game and some losses are to be expected. Not defending this deck at all, i despise it, but definitely give the TCG a try even if you only play with your friends casually. Holding the physical cards is just such a cool feeling
Coward
Goat format could be an option
I don’t think they (Konami) realized just how played the Ishizu Tearlament deck was going to be. Over 50% of the YCS was that deck. That is insane.
Try 80
They know what they doing when they make cards that why they ycs are bad and there no real prize money for going that why a lot of player cheated to get the most out of going to the event
it has already been a thing in the OCG for a while, without maxx C it was obvious it would take over the meta.
i don't know if they prioritized selling cards over having a healthy game. it seems dumb, but it must be the thing, on master duel problematic cards were already banned on release, so it might be that TCG executives are greedy dumbf*cks.
You must be new lol
The thing is, that they banned Chaos Ruler a couple of months ago, because it could mill 5 and revive itself. But it is a Lv. 8 Synchro, so not every deck can easily acces it. Then Konami prints the Ishizu cards, that can mill up to 20 and are accesible easily through the Main Deck. So the Chaos Ruler ban feels very dishonest now
It is never a good thing when most of your tournament is just the same deck. Even worse when those decks facing each other look like the aftermath of a drunken poker night.
I saw a really good video called “What even is a good meta?” and 2 things stuck out to me: 1) The video highlighted that in a game like rock/paper/scissors, each “strategy” has a foil, which is nice. 2) A comment on the vid that stated, “A healthy meta is one where the most competitive deck can still be reasonably beat.”
@@Varooooooom I think this is the best depiction of a healthy meta that I've seen. Better than I could've put into words.
I really like how the first thing you do is congratulate the winner despite the deck being insane. I don’t even play yugioh but I love card games and have been enjoying your channel man, keep it up
Why did Konami do this? WTF? They made a deck that cannot be beat except once in a blue moon by every meta deck from 4 months ago when you had a healthy meta where nearly a doezen decks were viable. They literally told their player base that they must play/buy new cards of Tear/Spright bc everything else cant/barely can compete now.
@@Habeev07 You can absolutely beat these decks if you play cards meant to beat them, which just so happen to be some of the most popular cards in the game right now. And that's just what happens during a tier 0 format. At least this is one of the more fun/interactive ones and the other decks aren't unplayable, they're just not as good, unlike previous formats such as DAD, Dragon Ruler post Spellbook of Judgement ban, Chaos Turbo, or etc.
@@dracoblizzard7944 how?? No really how?? Not everyone can play for the cards meant to beat them.... geez.
@@Ahloveyafuhso I'm not sure I'm entirely understanding your comment. I think it means you're referring to players on a strict budget, who can't afford any kind of tiered deck, which is fine. But the original commentor seemed to be referring to the quality of the format and variety of decks playable, where I was just pointing out that you can play other decks, its just not optimal enough for top cut YCS players to play them.
@@dracoblizzard7944 oh okay I understand but honestly speaking this whole format is just one big mess.
This is exactly why so many other card games have a resource system.
If people find this overwhelming or a mess now, it will only get more so as the power creep keeps going up in new sets.
We reached the point where you can literally play on your opponent's turn which is fucking ridiculous.
@@JuwanBuchanan The next step is ppl playing before the decks get pulled out of the deck box.
@@JuwanBuchanan I mean why not, I don't know to me the concept of forgoing a turn system all together in favor of interaction intensive games defined by priorities and chains doesn't sound that bad, it almost feels like a jump from turn based RPGs to real time and honestly if yugioh managed that kind of transition it could very well be the first card game to even try to get out of a "typical" turn based system which I'm not gonna lie I'm hella curious about.
One of my friend told me once that learning yugioh felt like learning geometry and well maybe he was onto something.
The whole idea sounds insane and I don't know I kinda like it.
@@shenwoo666hellbrawl
It is an interesting concept, the only problem with it is there needs to be proper escalations of interaction. A duel is not much different from a fight. So in that regard, a fight between two where one starts with a poke in the shoulder and the opponent responds by pulling out a bazooka and blowing them to bits is not a sensible trajectory of events. This is much how the game can be anymore. And most aren't expecting their opponent to be so cutthroat to get the edge and the win condition.
@@pentagon56 Yeah I see what you mean with escalation but I don't know I feel like Yugioh may be onto something that could have some interesting potential.
I mean at that point I think it really can go both ways, either yugioh starts putting more "limiters" in place, like I don't know adding maybe a set of "unegatable" actions in the rule themselves or harsher restrictions between phases (maybe something like restricted number of summons or even chains during main phase 1 and 2), take your pick but it would have to be something really drastic at that point because I agree that we may be reaching the absolute limits of what the current rules can support without totally breaking.
This solution may alienate a lot of current players but could be a good bridge for new and returning players who don't necessarily want everything to turn into a 2 turns slug contest.
The only other sensible alternative in my opinion would be to just take it next level and thus rethinking the game in the way I talked about in my earliest comment which would defenitely leave a whole bunch of archetypes in the dust and maybe force them to rethink card design as a whole.
Now this would alienate just as much people and either way I agree that fundamentally things seem to have reached a pretty tipping point.
I'm really curious to see how Konami is gonna navigate that one, and who knows maybe we are witnessing a new era for this game.
This format seems to be absolutely rough to navigate through though that I will also agree with and I can't really blame players for feeling overloaded with all that can potentially happen on a yugioh board nowadays
I said it and I keep saying it "NOT EVERY MOSTERS NEEDS 2-3 EFFECTS CUT THAT SHIT OUT!"
Man, I just like old school Yugioh. Back when I could play with family and friends and it wasn't this huge mess that takes itself too seriously.
The world was at it's peak back then.
see guys, mystic mine isnt a problem
-konami probably
I've been playing casually for 4 months now and really love the design of the cards; so I build decks around what looks cool to me and if it can be worked into a cohesive deck. My main problem has been trying to counter the stronger deck like Sprites and Tearlaments. It's very hard to not play "meta" when most deck builds won't match up to it in strength. One thing I've been trying to incorporate is utilising them banishing and milling my cards to the GY. It's been going.. OK. But now I feel like I'm only building decks specifically to counter Sprites and Tearlaments. It's already hard to build a cohesive deck, but it's even harder with decks like these being the usual opponent. It doesn't leave a lot of room for creativity and makes the matchups feel predictable and helpless at the same time. That's my take on it, sorry if it offends anyone. 🙏🌻
Don't apologize for voicing your opinion on a public platform. Many people agree with you, and if they don't, that's their problem.
I feel you man. I like making decks that’s fit what I think looks cool and fits my personality and it’s very annoying how little room I have for personal creativity when you have to build decks to counter things you know will destroy you
KONAMI can simply limit the amount of special summons and/or chain links per turn...that would slow down the gane tremendously and level the playing field for older decks to compete.
20 years of playing this game and it still amazes me that KONAMI has not done this already.
I stopped playing around 2006. I’ve been curious about returning but really have no interest in the modern TCG. Even Rush Duel came out, it didn’t appeal to me because of the unlimited normal summons. I ended up trying it for a couple hours, but I got bored because of the unlimited summons and I’ve kinda given up on finding a format I like.
I would be infinitely more interested in even the modern meta if there were a special summon limit.
You guys should do episodes playing your own competition decks. I'd love to see what you guys brew up when your goal is to win big.
I agree. It would also be fine to see these decks if you wait until the meta changes in case you don't want to show your strongest decks while they are competitive.
i dunno, team APS with the exception of trell don't seem like the type of guys who like competitive play
@@DarkSymphony777 That's kinda surprising cuz Paul definitely seems to be the type that knows both sides..
@@Ahloveyafuhso it's one thing to know the theory. If I had to guess all of them know a lot about the game and can play both at a casual and competitive level. I just think trell is the only member who actually plays competitive.
@@DarkSymphony777 yeah that makes sense
I really wish Mavens released in December because I really would've liked to see how the format would have developed post DABL without the Ishizu cards.
Good point
Such a good format cut too short ngl
Everyone was hoping that Bystial would have at least done something but nope. just all Tear as far as the eye can see. Yet Bystial Lubellion is still over $60. Sad Thunder Dragon noises :(
runick spright would probably be the best deck without the existence of mudora keldo
My favorite era of Yu-Gi-Oh was when Synchros just came out. I had a lot of fun playing online during this time. I also played a fan made game where the Dark Synchros worked like they did in the anime and it was so fun making an unstoppable deck out of that. And you didn't win on turn 0 or turn 1 it was so back and fourth it was great.
Man,that's when Yugioh was at it's best. The back and forth,the anticipation,the luck of the draw,good times. But now,games end on turn 1. This is retarded. It really makes me sad. I used to love Yugioh...
My local card shop does YGO tournaments twice a week, and I like going there for socializing and some semi-casual play. Thankfully, there's always a nice variety of decks being played, so I only occasionally have to bash my face against the brick wall that is Spright/Tearlaments. Hell, I even managed to get 2nd place the other week with my Shaddoll/Branded/Despia/Dogmatika deck (unfortunately for me, somebody was playing Sprights that night).
I'm only interested in building decks that are fun to play and have cool aesthetics, which unfortunately (or fortunately) does not include Sprights or Tearlaments. And I really do appreciate that most of the other players at my card shop feel the same.
YGO keeps pushing the limit of human memory, and I think this is the breaking point.
One has to wonder how much testing Konami does. It's not a surprise that this happened when a bunch of mill cards are pushed to be meta-relevant.
Well said. I don't know how the deck works. From my impression, one issue with this deck is that human memory can't keep up with the number or chain links per chain.
They say people can only keep seven things in their short term memory at the same time.
@@apoptosisduellinks109 At this rate players will have to bring pre-made checklists of cards in their deck so they can mark of what effects have been activated.
YGO plays more like WH40K than a TCG and takes about as long.
@@randommaster06 well, that's the thing: the contradicting issue is that the rules forbid note taking
@@apoptosisduellinks109 It'll be in the form of custom playmats with all the card pictures on them.
The policy on notes has always been nonsense. "Caveman YGO" isn't supposed to refer to our communication technology.
when your game only appeals to competitive you know it is very wrong.
You can play casual at locals if you want to. But this is a YCS, what did you expect?
@@juksleo6257 this kind of thing bleeds over into locals too, wich is bad for the game as it scares of newcomers. only reliable place you wont come across this is with close friends that dont play to win, but to enjoy the decks they play, like me and my friends do.
@@juksleo6257 you can’t play casual at locals. These stupid decks are there too…
@@RanRayu these decks are at locals, it sucks because these decks dominate EVERYTHING else, you literally can’t play against them unless you play Tear
@@juksleo6257 yugioh at its core is about winning, and Konami sure knows how to make players feel helpless by not buying the newest cards to help them win
Meanwhile we have players on Twitter saying “yeah I enjoy this complex skill intensive format” disregarding 75% mirror matches and everyone playing the same deck. Ok. I’m sure they’ll stop feeling that way after another week or two.
It’s almost like us “Yugi boomers” were trying to warn everyone this would happen, but no one listened, and now look where we are...
Yugioh has always been very kusoge if you have been paying attention
No, you were just being entitled. Still are.
I agree with you. Even casuals are running the same decks. There's no uniqueness anymore. With the direction that Yugioh is still going towards, It's going to look like the thumbnail but with a lot more cards in it.
The first Worlds had less variety than the recent YCS.
Nah man, master duel was kinda a fix imo. Ban list is way shorter making there tons of decks that can work. You run into casuals that use otk/ftk just quit out and move on.
This is exactly why me and my friends are playing the digimon TCG now instead lol
Calling someone a Yugiboomer has always just been a way of dismissing criticism against the game. If you play modern Yugioh and didn't think it would eventually end up like this, you're crazy.
Otk mechanics have been a theme for the last 15 years , nothing new it's just in a different form
@@plainbagel9192 OTK mechanics were not prelevant nor as easy to set up compared to 15 years ago
15 years ago, you had to WORK for a negate board.
@@aceclover758 Infirmity, Windzup, twilight lightswarm , insector even X-Saber at one small point , just to name a few
I just watched the crossover with you guys and tolarian. You guys were great, but that was definitely enough modern Yu-Gi-Oh for me.
And those weren't even remotely meta decks, imagine if they were competitive.
i wish they tried it out with decks on the level of like those somewhat older structure decks like they've done on the channel
I tried to get back into yugioh after like 3 years and after 2 games of 10 minute first turn combos I decided it's not for me.
you came back at literally the worst moment ever , where even most hand traps don't stop 10 minute turns , might be worth trying again in 6 months
This is not an ideal format. To say the least.
It's the only format though.
Saying u suck at game without telling us good to know
@@peteryanes3413 Grow up
@@peteryanes3413 I dont get where this elitsm comes from. This format is objectivly not fun to watch and most player dont like to play it either.
@@fernandobanda5734 u bad players need to because it how the game is not cry about it say ban it the deck learned the match up and how u play the game better
It’s been 2 years going on 3 since I’ve played YGO. Been somewhat keeping up with what’s been going on as time has been passing. And yeah… haven’t had a single thought of wanting to play again. And seeing news like this helps not go back🤷🏻♂️
This is what a lot of people hate to accept is this format is so beyond not new player friendly. We can’t just keep letting the game become more insane and expect the community to grow.
When I first started playing yugioh, normal summon Mathematician, send Squamata, send Beast, set 2 and pass was a good first turn. Now... it's just incomparable, like a different game.
Duel links still going strong. I just learned how to xyz summon guys! Still no clue what pendulums and syncros are but I'm getting there
Congrats! I'm glad you're learning! If you need anything just let us know!
Xyz are cool Synchros in the other hand are for degenerates
My head already hurts just hearing an explanation of whats happening
Hopefully this leads to an adjustment to the time rules, but I'm sure they'll first try to cover it in a banlist. I will say that this format reminds me a lot of the dragon ruler format. That matchup in the mirror was very skillfull and almost every decision mattered, but dragon rulers never posed a threat to the literal legisitics of a tournament
Hopefully this turns into a legacy format
Ah yes. Dragon rulers...he who summoned big eye first lost. Lol. To be fair, we had maxx c back then lol
Or you were me...and played a shenanigan dragon ruler build...with skill drain and solidarity...
Time rules alone will just further divide the meta and fan base imo. They need multiple formats with varying rule/play sets
@@dracoblizzard7944 really hope so because i have the best deck of the format fr the first time in my life lol
Man, I was watching the final round of the YCS and couldn't understand what was going on. By the time I got to understand an effect 5 more had already been activated.
Righttttt, as much as the community dumps on timelords but when you go boom summon timelord do its effect end the turn, you definitely get to understand that more then 1 turn with these new decks lmao.
Absolutely need an emergency list update. All the new fairies to 1.
Rules to how many cards can be in a deck, rules to how many summons can be done per turn.
@@golgariplague4746 The first part is simply the ban list. And the second part would completely change the game. Honestly I feel like they should limit the hand size down to 4 starting off and next player draws one to make 5
@@dcrappa1 the game needs new formats. Honestly wasting money on tcg games like this is like modern casino/gambling. It will blow up in everyone's face later and you all will look stupid considering the money you waste on this crap lol
@@golgariplague4746 what concern is it to you on how people spend their money and what they spend it on? Are you their personal banker? I bet you waste money on "crap" as well. Best to keep your nose on your own face bro and focus on yourself.
As for limiting summoning, you can't do that in yugioh especially since pretty much every single deck requires summoning a lot to do anything.
@@phoenixkai9862 what about a boss monster limitation instead? like you are allowed to summon as many times as your deck is able to, but you are only allowed 1 boss monster on your field at the end of your turn? and if you have multiple on your field by the time you end your turn you would be forced to send however many you have to the GY until you only control 1. similar to the hand size rule where you have to send cards in your hand to the Gy if you have more than 6 in hand until you only have 6. and no gy effects would trigger either cuz if sending cards for hand size doesn't trigger GY effects then neither would sending boss monsters for boss monster limitations. not sure how helpful this idea would be but would like to hear others opinions all the same.
Thank you for doing this
This format is a disaster 😑
I’ve seen a bunch of comments saying how this format is skill oriented and saying people should stop crying because there’s a lot of interactive gameplay in the mirror match.
But no one wants to get stomped out by the same $500+ deck over and over again. It’s either play tearelament ishizu/ kashtira/bystial or die
This is the very picture illustrating Power Creep. Honestly, I love it. Not because I play it or will even play against it. If I see someone play a Floo/Tear/Sprite card I will get up and walk away on the spot. However, I am happy because this toxic bullshit has gotten so out of hand that even the Competitive Copium Players who would try and denounce me with "Just draw the Out" or "You're just a YugiBoomer" are now reaping what they sowed.
You kept incentivizing Konami to print these broken cards. Now deal with the consequences of your actions when noone plays with you, or worse...You play against someone as sweaty and toxic as you and now you get to swallow the poison that is a 14 minute turn 1, chain 42 combo deck. And then in your next match see the exact same thing with a slight tweak in a card or 2 as a tech pick.
You'd go to locals to get up and walk away? Pay money to not duel? Yeah bro, you seem mentally stable. Get up and walk away from trading cards lol did you think this would make you sound tough?
Even during the pendulum format, shit wasn't THIS bad
EDIT: Would it be fair that tear lament are the new infernities in terms of how these shenanigans are going to affect the way cards are designed/yugioh is played?
well considering Tear is like tier 0 so basically... they have to powercreep them for things to change or gut them to death and i really can't imagine how badly they can further powercreep gameplay besides ending on even bigger board with disruptions and negations or Tower monster, on from what we're basically seeing is things being played during your opponents turn on turn 1,
Probably gonna affect future card design and even potentially tournament time rules
While Infernities are basically the reason HOPT exists, this deck might just make future card design mirror cards like Time Thief Adjuster and Aluber the Jester of Despia, where they can have more than 1 effect but can use exactly 1 of those effects in a single turn
Dude I stopped playing when performapals came out, got curious on the state of the game today and I have no clue what in the hell is happening anymore lol
This is why long ago me and my bros made rules to this insane game.
Competitive Yugioh is moving further and further into a realm where the only people who are enjoying it are the most insular dedicated players. The only people who can keep up and enjoy this Tear/Ishizu stuff are the Tear players themselves. The only other decks getting representation are basically
anti-Tear or Mystic Mine turbo.
On top of that the logistical speed of the game overall feels like it’s being designed for automated duel simulators (MD, EdoPro, etc) rather than human play. It’s becoming increasingly difficult anyone who doesn’t have a super computer for a brain to keep up with just how much interaction is happening, ESPECIALLY within a 40min time limit (not saying it’s impossible, but it’s very easy for competitive Yugioh players to not recognize growing problems because they’re so engrossed in the system already).
Throwing your whole deck on the field was a meme back when Pendulum Monsters were introduced, now it's how to actually play the game competitively - life imitating art.
The pie chart reminds me of a spyral one where it was all spyral except like 2 infernoids decks just existing there.
October 2017 OCG list: 92% Spyrals, 7% Grassnoids
@@johnathanlemus5584 yeah that one when grass was legal
@@nukash1ne194 is hilarious that grass is banned of TCG but now Ishizu can mill more than fucking grass but is not even limited.
At this point why not unlimit Delinquent duo or painful choice if milling cards is not even a problem anymore.
@@Helem5XG it is a problem, that's whay this format is such a mess, mass bans needed clearly
It's gotten to the point even if it's your main phase 1 turn 1 they resolve so many chains 8 to 10 min has burned off the clock before you even get to finish your turn.
I'm a magic player who casually follows a couple ygo channels just because the game is nostalgic to me. Looking at that board, it looks like something a token player would come up with in MTG, not someone spewing their whole deck out (outside of the Commander format).
Yugioh faster thou and all those token have effects too. Magic gonna end up the same in the future. There making everything faster too like the cards that came out in those commader sets that cast spell for free if you control your commader.
You can have skilled play without one deck being at 81% representation. If you think this format is ok because you enjoy the mirror I can understand that, but the way Ishizu Tear nullifies any rogue representation is wrong. If you can't understand why people would be upset then you are selfish and narcissistic. Team APS, stop sugar coating it. Yes, logistically this looks bad, but it looks bad from any standpoint because this game costs money and peoples time. People work hard to be able to afford and compete in yugioh, and this much of a power creep for one deck is clearly unfair to people who invested their money into other "once competitive" decks.
Why did Konami do this? WTF? They made a deck that cannot be beat except once in a blue moon by every meta deck from 4 months ago when you had a healthy meta where nearly a doezen decks were viable. They literally told their player base that they must play Tear/Spright bc everything else cant/barely can compete now.
They made ghoti for no reason… it was doing ok against tear before the ishizu cards. So true it’s a shame
EXACTLY. They banned cards as Chaos Ruler and Halqi that support older cards while giving Tearlaments, which was already Tier 1, extra support with Ishizu to make it unstoppable. And that is ON PURPOSE so everyone will go and buy the new cards. Youre not supposed to play with cards you already own since a while, you shall go out and buy new cards. Its because Konami is such a piece of sh*t. They did the same when it came to videogames. They scrapped all their great IPs to make Pachinko out of it :P Pachinko are like gambling automats in asia.
Theyve done this over and over b/c they don't care. Thats why i quit many years ago. I only play older formats b/c they dont have so much nonsense like this. I don't think i could even play these decks if i tried because theres so many effects to keep track of. Id need to be like taking notes to remember the chain link order...
just ignore them, a hit in event attendance is what they respond to with proper banlists , ie , they're forcing players to play 1 deck this format so don't play , there are older formats that can be played instead outside of these events
@@aliceinwonder8978 aye, & they don't allow note taking at events for some reason '.'
I just had the realization that Vanity's Call may be a real sideboard or even mainboard-playable card right now and that feels mind-numbing to even ponder.
Watch konami ban that card next if it hurts their new cards lol.
you've already lost by the time that card can even be activated
Just run Galaxy-Eyes with Tachyon Transmigration - same effect, but can be activated from hand if you control 107.
Yugioh as a game sucks all kinds of ass now. I will forever say that Synchro summon monsters were the beginning of the end. As soon as the extra deck became as accessible as your own hand, it ruined the game from then on. Monsters powers and abilities and ease of summoning is too out of hand and probably will never be fixed.
I feel like this sort of thing is inevitable when your TCG / CCG doesn't have formats. You have to encourage players to buy more cards. If old cards never rotate out, you either have to design more interesting cards or more *powerful* cards to entice players to buy. A system like this will inevitably hit a breaking point. I think what Yugioh desperately needs is new formats.
That picture is more of an example of bad habits of some of the top players, especially Pak. He's constantly shuffling graveyards and placing cards on the field that don't belong there. He's not the only one, but definitely twitches and messes with card orders more noticeably than others in feature matches. With a standard yugioh mat, you have play space behind your spell/trap zone to resolve effects like this without it looking like complete chaos. This is why back in the 5D's era, they didn't allow players to fan the graveyard across the field at events; the judges have gotten way more lax with proper card placement.
Archetype lock probably helps if Konami makes archetypes with similar strategies and effect triggers
that and they have to make fusions... less generic. Having super poly with so many generic fusions really hurts the other ED types since well... Synchros, XYZ doesn't really have a Super poly like to counter fusions while fusions just keeps getting more generic super poly targets to further break board.
Manga Dragon - Exactly. That's what they need to and should do.
I feel like archetype lock for main deck is a great idea but not for both main an extra as some archetypes don't have a great boss monster to go into, so they end up using more generic options to help them out. however I agree that completely generic options that can be thrown into anything is ridiculous. so instead I propose Type locking the extra deck, just as an inherent rule to the game, you are archetype locked when building a main deck, and type locked when making a extra deck. so no more throwing in random engines into every deck, no more "oh you broke my board of boss monsters ok well now I'll go into all my generic extra deck cards and make a boss monster that doesn't share anything in common with my archetype at all just cuz I can". side deck can still be filled with staples like dark ruler, or handtraps etc cuz those cards imo are kind of a necessity at this point. but I feel like they should only be limited to the side deck cuz if you can throw them into the main or extra deck for no downsides, everyone will just run 10 handtraps and staple cards in the main sometimes more, turning your deck that is meant to be unique into either one 4th of a deck everyone else is playing, or half your deck isn't even a deck anymore but instead staple cards. IDK if this idea is better or not but I'm sure it'd be more helpful than just letting the game be as it is rn.
I don't think i could even remember the order of 10 chain links... this is ridiculous.
Can't wait for this to be in Master Duel. At least players won't be able to accidentally double use effects
i think they will limit the cards at release as they did with DPE and Adventure, also, Maxx C is at 3, so i don't think it will be tier 0 as with the TCG
@@Badbufon once Ishizu came out Tears have been consistently at ~50% usage for the past few months in ocg, with Spright being ~50% before Ishizu came out.
Konami will probably gut Spright and Ishizu but not Tearlaments themselves because they weren’t nearly as strong as they are with Ishizu support but they were still getting decent usage.
@@Badbufon the difference is that with maxx c, the theory is it slows down but with Orange light that’s negligible. It also helps decks like labrynth and d maids which was viable in the OCG be rogue.
Besides the pre-nerf konami might implement before it comes, the fact that we have 300s time limit is a huge nerf to this too. Some combo decks we have in the game can almost time out already.
@@avariceseven9443 I wanted to cry in that link event in MD just because it takes so long to just pick a zone.
jesus christ 81%? no one was playing anything that hard countered it?
the competition was hit on the banlist , looping dimension shifter with floowandereeze is a win but not at all a hard counter , too unreliable , it's also kinda boring , I like dimension shifter exosister , but it's still relying on shifter , & that's just to be able to play, not to counter , manufactured tier zero format
I would like to see a video about powercreep theory and how it relates to yugioh as a business and keeping player base. I feel like you don't have to make overpowered cards on this fast of a level to do that.
It was like watching a high end dbz fight. Was so hard to keep up with everything lol!
Which is probably why I’m able to keep track because I love dbz fights
This is what keeps me far away from modern YGO. lol.
The most boring duels i have ever witnessed, nothing is happening.
The finals and the deck itself really demonstrates how Master Duel could've been the best medium for the current format, if they really do plan on it being their e-sport game.
As a recent returning player this stuff is terrifying and heartbreaking. I've loved this game since when I was a kid, but seeing how much the power of the game has changed and how easily some of its problems could be fixed via common tcg practices (rotating set list, rulings book, alt formats), it makes me wonder if it was worth getting back into
I have kept up with the game for just short of a decade and this is scary even for me.
I’ve always been a casual player and it’s such a struggle to play sometimes because I just wanna have fun. Half of the time I just surrender because the first turn is taking 10 minutes.
I don't know if you're aware of goat format. It could be an option
@@apoptosisduellinks109 I've hear of goat, but my favorite decks are all modern archetypes like Adamancipator, Albaz, and Code Talkers. Even if they aren't competitively viable, they're a tone of fun to play
Your first mistake was getting back into this game.
With my friends we play a draft of all old school cards and some no OP new cards, almost 500 cards. Man... so much fun. Without all the premade decks where Konami tells you how to play your deck and combos, you have to choose your cards THINKING what effects work better with other non directly connected cards. Like we did in the all days where Yami still appeared in the boosters portrait.
Thematic deck and ultra fast cards are a killing machine for creativity and fun. If your opponent has to see you playing for minutes while you excavate your deck more than 1 time, something is wrong. Yu-Gi-Oh! is anti-fun right now.
5:50 This happened in Magic: the Gathering on a much smaller scale. The card Sensei's Divining Top was card that bordered on broken, but Wizards of the Coast banned it because the best way to use it would take minutes. And this was not like a slow play tactic... well, it generally wasn't... it just used time.
Umm....... Not even close. It was legal in legacy, and was banned for some players being too damn slow when using it. The card itself is in no way "broken". It was pre-banned in modern, because WotC loathed the idea of control decks being playable in that format, as, at the time, they were dominant in legacy.
Nah, yugioh is unironically great rn. Tear is so fun. It's like Grass is back. Mill decks best decks. All true. Lightsworn forever.
Yea many players using the same staples diminishes individuality
As a non yugioh player im confused. Whats the spot between the monsters zones used for now?
time to play retro formats guys!
I'm just exhausted with yugioh right now. The best thing about yugioh was always trap cards. I just love literally setting a trap for my opponent to walk into. I'm not saying I don't love combos because I do but the game has gotten to a point where trap cards seem useless.
Might as well run Skull Invitation and Dark Room of Nightmare, of course with the Trickstar cards. There's also Chain Energy, Red-Eyes Flare Metal Dragon, Odd-Eyes Gravity Dragon, and Masquerade the Blazing Dragon.
This is a bad time to play yugioh outside of your friends circle 😢
I dislike hearing the word skill being thrown around for this format or mirror. Simply because we are lowering our expectations on what a skillful duelist is. Knowing your chains is a necessity, not a skill. Without that, there's no Yu-Gi-Oh really.
Another issue with this sort of thing is that when this happens to competitive Yu-Gi-Oh, casual Yu-Gi-Oh will start going in that direction as well.
A card that lets you draw 10 CARDS??? THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS OK???
So, I haven’t played yugioh since ritual beasts were decent - that was my favorite deck. Since then I pivoted to magic, but was thinking of getting back into the game. This just looks insane and completely unfun to me. I’m sure there’s some skill involved but the power creep has just gotten so bad that it is a completely different game than what I remember
Don't, i buy ygo cards for collection, to it is impossible, you need to look up people online explaining how decks work since cards are full of text that you even forget some effects. And the game us unplayable.
Mtg is playable due to mana escalation, it takes a while to play big monsters. Even tho you already see people killing opponents in 2 turns like in ygo but not as much. But honestly investing money on TCG nowadays is like gambling, at the end you just lose money for a dumb game
You might want to consider goat format
try duel links maybe , can even still play ritual beasts there if you can back them up with good trap cards , it's been consistently rogue for years there despite banlist hits , though the deck there plays simpler than tcg used to
@@apoptosisduellinks109 Goat format is painful. Burn deck is in tier 1. Delinquent Duo exists.
@@justinmadrid8712 Luck is a factor for individual matches, but not over the long run. Skill still trumps luck in the format, which is proven by the same group of top players topping or winning all the events.
Burn is not tier 1 and not close to being one of the most popular decks. Burn was overrepresented at the world championship 2021 because people were under prepared. This year at worlds, burn didn't do so well.
After seeing this, I'm glad I quit years ago. Fishborg blaster being banned bck in the day scuffed my frog deck so I quit. The game looks like its just become more and more of a clusterfuck over the years.
i just want there to be a variety of decks which are playable at a high level and not 80% ishizu tears :D
In ocg right now there are quite a few, although ishizu tear is still 50%, at least there’s some variety. Hopefully master duel is going to mirror that.
the nature of competitive games means that the majority at these events is gonna play the one thing that will give them the best chance to win. i got back into the game last month after 10+ years away, and i just hate seeing these kinda decks, its just boring and takes out most of the game part of it. so i convinced a friend to also get back into it and we just play with thematic decks and other non meta decks for fun, winning is secondary. we have not yet played a deck that could win reliably, and its tons of fun.
@@RanRayu thoughts are similar to yours, i just usually go to my locals to play for fun, winning is a secondary objective for me and seems like what youre doing is super fun aswell!
@@trost7860everytime i've played master duel whenever a new pack has come out, usually its those kind of decks being played, or just stun/control decks which dont let you play the game at all sadly
The whole thing that made yugioh fun for me was how fast-paced it used to be, and now it’s just slow, messy and when you’re on the opposite end of the table, it can be absolutely boring at times. And I see people putting down strategies like activating branded expulsion to put ra’s disciple on the opponent’s board to stop them from spamming by calling it “skill-less” but defend boards with 20 Omni-negates and these kind of decks where they kill half the deck and activate 10 effects and think of it as “fun”. The time limit exists for a reason and these people spit on it by playing to time every match.
Im just now trying to get back into it after not playing for 10 years and man...I'm so lost and confused by so much. It used to be so simple and fun to build different decks and actually played turns. These new decks and rules are why they probably aren't attracting as many players as they could due to the complexity of it all. I miss the 2005-2011 local scene lol.
Even casual you Yu-Gi-Oh is a mess right now. The only thing that's going to fix it is if they limit how many times you can special someone per turn how many times you can activate searching effects how many times you can activate rolling effects and how many times you can activate excavation effects. I I would say probably like three per turn. But I know everyone's going to end up hating this comment but they always do because they know it's true.
Who would have thought that release broken archertype one after another would lead to this? Adventure, Spright, Tear, Branded,... like the powercreep is only escalating where one archertype just straight up dabbed on the previous one.
The people who attempt to justify this have absolutely no inkling of what is best for the game.
As a casual/somewhat newcomer... I had multiple friends try to explain what this match was, and I still have no clue what is happening.
Yesterday i @ ed my friends on discord if we could play games, while i waiting i decided to play master duel. During my opponents turn my friend was able to make a sandwich and finish it BEFORE my opponent finished their turn. Yugioh does need to be less combo heavy and absurd
Konami needs to support time wizard by reprinting banned pre errata staples that were legal in past formats. For example, trap dustshoot, metamorphosis, and tribe infecting virus are about 8-12 dollars each. Konami didn't even reprint virus in the mako legendary duelists set and it's been off the banlist for years now. They just need to do more to make the old staples cheaper to make time wizard as accessible as possible
What are you talking about time wizard?
@@zionthomas369 Time Wizard format is what konami is calling their sanctioned older format tournaments in ots. I wasn't referring to the time wizard card
I honestly agree with you. Given how much people like to play past formats, Time Wizard Format is clearly a hidden mine full of gems and precious metals waiting to be unearthed.
Guy is mad he can't take his Gren Maju deck to bigger tournaments and do well versus Ishizu Tearlaments. :)
This level of complexity is obviously not the norm, but it's exactly the reason i gave up trying to keep up with modern yugioh years ago.
The worst mistake i made was taking a break between the synchro era and the pendulum era. Came back to the game and now i have no clue where to even start
One man's worst mistake is another man's greatest decision.
@@ninezerotwo1778 the hell does that mean?
Thats why we only play Casual/Rogue decks Its more fun..
You a smart man, meta yugioh is spam on c***k
The judges don’t even care
I got back in Yugioh for a year now and everytime a new set is released I lose the interest to continue playing it. I mean, look at that. That is not yugioh. Or at least not what it should be, what it was created to be. I try casual and rogue decks, because I find them way more fun, but it's amazing how many people seems to have a huge ego and won't allow themselves to play with anything less than tier 1 decks. I wish Konami gives a little more love to Speed Duel, because in a single box of it I can see more yugioh than I've been seeing in the last years on the TCG.
Definitely sounds like Ishizu/Tear could cause us to get an Emergency Banlist.
We need more than just a band-aid, we need a massive education campaign to expand card knowledge.
Nope because they get rarity upgrades in next ots lol
You know there's a problem when a professional announcer of one of the biggest tournaments in the game says "who knows" in response to a question about something that had just happened in the game they're currently commenting on....
We litterally have had a booster box and set come out right after each other. Need to have more space between releases.
Especially if the next set is so broken it makes the booster box irrelevant
Product fatigue is real, lol. I went hard for a couple of years, and now I'm just burnt out trying to keep up. I don't understand why they'd ban cards like anaconda and then put out absolutely broken cards right after.
honestly, modern yugioh just feels so out of hand that it almost requires a complete reset to get things manageable. ya know the memes: essays of card text, everything has negates or some other absurd power. Though casually, the game is still loads of fun, it's just extremely overwhelming to even consider joining a tournament for fun when your opponent can whip out their entire deck. Powercreep just feels like an understatement when it comes to card power and effects, especially for people who started back in the day when 3k attack normal monsters were seen as nearly impossible odds to defeat without something like maneater bug and now 3k is just a bare minimum requirement for a beat stick.
I dunno, maybe some way of easing newer (and returning) players in would be good first, and getting them to understand that things don't need to be complex at first, and maybe build them up to a more in-depth strategy for decks. I feel Pokemon TCG has been doing a good job at this lately with their decks and products having Play Levels on them, with a 3 star rating to show. 1 star products are very simple and easy to use decks for players to learn the game, but they won't be winning any tournaments with that. 2 star is intermediate with some more serious structure and strategy, but still needs a little loving and creativity to make work in a competitive setting. And then 3 star decks are decks that are practically tournament-ready, built for consistency and an unrelenting strategy of some sort. You may not win the tournaments with one of those decks, but you still stand a decent chance at winning a few matches. I feel Yu-Gi-Oh! could benefit from structure decks made in that way with a clear indication of what sort of things players are getting into.
But that's just my brainfart being an old hat player coming back in recent years. I like a lot of the new mechanics they've added in my time away, but I won't lie about how overwhelming it is to get back into. And cards with literal paragraphs of text didn't help. I'd like people to know that it's okay to take their time to slowly process mechanics, and maybe a line of starter decks and intermediate decks being put out in kits can help players learn and ease in better..
If self milling has always been such a powerful thing in card games, where even Magic had to learn never to make it so extreme again, why did they create an entire archetype based around it?
Tear and Ishizu is basically Grass looks greener the Archetype?
This is far from the first Yugioh archetype to do self milling. Lightsworns, Infernoids, every deck that ran Grass when it was legal and etc. This mechanic is far from new and will probably be revisited one time or another
@@waiyon1951 this is what bothers me, cards such as grass being banned in the tcg which the only thing that it currently does is make certain rogue decks just worse for no reason, yet the meta is basically just the same as using grass
I don't think the mills are the problem, it's the Tearlament cards. They have no restrictions with extremely powerful effects.
Orcust got hit with the ban hammer because they could do all their plays on their opponent's turn. Tear is the sane way, if not worse, because at least Orcust locked you into Dark.
Endless power creep will do that to a game.
The arguably second strongest deck of the format is Spright and if you watch how they play, its more of a resource grind game while putting a few disruptions on board, kind of like a stronger version of Sky Striker when it was at full power. Now take a look at Tear, the deck basically allows you to mill your entire deck and chain nearly everything together on your opponents turn no less! Tear breaks Yugioh by allowing the deck to be considered an easily accessible resource. I cannot imagine the sort of powercreep that would be needed to keep Tear in check without severely crippling the deck on the banlist. Either hit Tear now or wait for whatever unholy abomination of an archetype comes to usurp it
New Exodia cards. Main Card Exodia's Mom, level 1 effect monster. 0 Atk 0 Def. If this card is in your hand, graveyard or banished you can special summon it, even on your opponents turn. The summoning and following effect cannot be negated or disrupted. Draw as many Exodia cards as you want from your deck and/or graveyard to your hand. You may also return banished Exodia cards to your hand. Problem solved. Tear to tear user
This is ridiculous, to use that many cards in one turn is just wrong. Play 52 card pick up or solitaire if you just want to have a bunch of cards on the mat.
The whole game needs to be reset and started over.