It was a good start. Aegon was nowhere near capable of ruling (nor is he now), but he seemed open to learning. It's a low bar, but it's more than Rh has done so far...
@@farnesetbh8487 you mean care for her decrepit father's ideas. if she cared about the kingdom she would not bring it to war over her illegitimate claim on the throne
@@berndlauert8179 her claim is in no way illegitimate, she was declared by the king as heir and so did her first born, plus the andal laws (specifically the widow's law) actually protect rhaenyra's inheritance (it protects the inheritance of children of deceased wives against the children of the recent wife of the lord lol)
@@farnesetbh8487 her declaration of being heir was made void the moment viserys firstborn son was born, and the widow's law only applies to woman's inheritance if there are absolutely no sons because andals practice agnatic succession
Sometimes it's overwhelming with how much the writers want you to hate Aegon but it's next to impossible not to feel bad for him especially with Tom Glynn-Carney's performance oozing with enough snark and charisma to match Matt Smith's Daemon. I'm looking forward to show watchers being unable to recognize him at the end of the series, not just physically, but mentally as well. I think with the material we have left, Tom's superb nuanced performance, and what we have seen so far, we will be getting one of the greatest and most complicated villains on TV of all time.
Writers want us to hate someone so much that they write tragic characters for everyone? We see him as a complex character because of the material they wrote. And of course because of the excellent acting and direction of the scenes.
@@beden653 more so the explicit mention of his sexual assault and the eye rolling children fighting pit. They really came out of the gate swinging with his introduction lol
@@berserk4souls They literally had 2 episodes with a small number of scenes of the “adult” Aegon in the “I don’t care, there is no love in this world” stage. His revealed traits in the second season were clearly laid out in the first season, this is called character development. That doesn't mean he wouldn't rape another maid, he now simply has other ways to get pleasure, although he continues to drink and go to brothels. Or do you think that his listening to the people in the throne room is a show of his love for the people? No, it's still the same Aegon from the first season, just with more time in the frame, which allows you to see his reaction to what is happening when he found “his way".
@@beden653 I understand where you’re coming from and you are correct but I’m also correct in pointing out how JARRING it feels going from season 1 to season 2 with Aegon. Also happens to a few other characters like Rhaenyra herself, Otto, and Alicent.
@@berserk4souls I agree, but I think it's because of the change in narrative structure. We used to time jump between episodes to see an important moment in the lives of the characters, but most of their development happened off-screen and was only implied. Also there is a shift in focus from Rhaenyra/Alicent to other characters due to the lack of need to introduce the viewer into context each episode with time skips. The viewer has time to breathe in the episodes, and the writers have time to delve deeper into the characters
"Mother, I never wanted it, but I have it now and want to live up to it, but I don't know how. What do I do?" "What was always expected of you. Nothing. You are means for me and your grandfather to rule." After that conversation, and drinking, I understand him being reckless beyond sense.
I think it's very telling when Aemond lost his eye in episode 7 and the person who got slapped was Aegon for not protecting Aemond from the strong boys. If have seen that episode you know that only hours ago he was drunk tf out and Otto kicked him, woke him up and sent him to the chambers. He got punished for not being there for Aemond, when everyone was supposed to be at their beds sleeping. And now he is being shat on by everyone for being bad at something he was trained or prepared for in the first place. No matter what happens, even if he is the least responsible person for the war he is getting blamed for everything. Even when his son is dead his mother can't comfort him. Worse his family tells him to just sit back and shut up about it. It really tells you how he was treated his entire life and why he ended up becoming what he became. Truly the most tragic case.
What I love about f&b is that Aegon isn’t the strongest or smartest but he and sunfyre win through sheer will power and love for Sunfyre and his family
He was my favorite in F&B. I hated how they portrayed him in season 1. But his character in season 2 was a pleasant surprise. I hate this cyclop so much for what he did to him🤬
one of my favourite details in season 1 is aegon's short jagged hairs. tom glynn-carney discussed with the then-showrunner miguel sapochnik to give aegon this hairstyle because aegon cut his own hairs as a way to distant himself from his targaryen root that he hated so much, his rejection of his own family because in his mind they hated him. as opposed to aemond's long luscious hairs similar to how other targaryens on the show because he embraced the valyrian ideals and traditions. it's not hard to imagine that aegon might've also hated the targaryen custom of wedding siblings, so he probably had to drink himself into near stupor to be able to force himself onto helaena. tom said in an interview that while aegon saw his little sister as an oddball, he learnt to have respect for her for giving him 2 beautiful children, but ultimately aegon and helaena existed in 2 parallel worlds of their own, they both lack the capability to give the other what they needed and they were happy to stay that way. ughhh the tragedy... I know the show is pretty pro-team black but I swear someone in that writer room is fighting to put all these little details in for team green's characters that make them so much more interesting than the straight "good guys with a modern sense of morality" on team black.
I feel so bad for Aegon. Throughout his entire life, his mother and grandfather insisted he must become king, warning that if he failed, he, his brothers and sister, and his children would be killed by his half-sister. No matter what he did, it was never enough. To make matters worse, his own father barely acknowledged his existence. Despite being the firstborn son, his father preferred spending time with a model city rather than with him. Aegon never experienced unconditional love. Regardless of his efforts, nothing mattered, so he eventually gave up and sank into degeneracy. Then he was literally dragged and forced to become king. This led to the tragic loss of his beloved son, and once again, no one was there for him in his darkest hour. Even then, he couldn't do anything without being ridiculed by his family. When he tried to be a magnanimous king and take his role seriously, he was undermined and insulted. When he wanted to participate in the campaign, he was undermined and insulted. When he did nothing, he was still undermined and insulted. He literally couldn't do anything without being insulted.
I was surprised by how much I cared for Aegon's character in season 2, because he was such a prick in season 1, and he still was in season 2. A lot comes from the actor, I think, he was great in not portraying him as a caricature. But your analysis was into point, and yes, Viserys and Alicent were horrible parents, even though their intentions weren't bad.
Aegon might be a "bad guy" but thankfully Tom plays him with so much emotion he jumps off the screen and shows off a wide diverse range of emotions that lets you know this character is capable of loving someone as much as he is capable of hanging 100 ratcatchers to get one guilty catcher.
Aegon is the best character of the season. He didn't want the crown, he had to be beaten and dragged to his own coronation, and when the people cheered for him, he felt validation for the first time in his life. So he tried being a belowed king, and a father to his son that Viserys never was to him. And he had his son murderd in revenge for something he didn't do. Despite everything he follows his councils advice and parades his sons corpse despite his diguist. He wants to take vengance yet everyone forces him to do nothing. He recives no simpathy nor comfort from any of his family members, not from his mother, grandfather, or brother. He can't even look into the eyes of his wife out of guilt, and even if he could dou to her strangeness (medieval people didn't know what autism is) he can't realy connect with her. After that he constantly gets disrespected by his brother and grandfather who wants to sit on his ass writing letter while not giveing a shit about his grief. Cole and Larys are the only ones who show some respect to him. He appoints Cole, the only man willing to take action, and he gets bereted and told of by his mother and grandfater that he is a piece of shit, whom they only want as a pupet figurehead, and no matter what he does, he will never be as good of a king or person as his father who never cared about him. So he takes action, the only way he can, he goes into battle with his dragon, bravely facing down the way larger Meleys and the more experienced Rhaenys. He fights against all odds, knowing that he will either have revenge or died knowing that he tried claiming vengance for his son. And when he thinks salvation arrived he gets betrayed, and gets crippled. The crown he didn't want was forced on him, and he lost everything for it.
I like the point you made about sunfyre being the only one to ever show aegon real love. No spoilers but considering how much they go through together during the dance it really shows how strong their bond was from the start. It goes beyond normal riders and dragons if you ask me.
Viserys should have made Aegon Rhaenyra’s cupbearer so everyone would be used to him serving her. I think he also should have let her sit the iron throne in his place sometimes. And Alicent should have at least taught Aegon decorum if she always planned to have him usurp his sister. He didn’t even want to do it!
Sometimes i think that i could write a big essay about Aegon. He is so complex character, unlike the others in this show. Aegon is a mess and he has nobody from his family on his side. I would like to see how this mess get out of hand after the betrayal. Especially in the context of his relationship with Larys. Aegon is a bad person, very bad (like most of the characters in this show), but he is also the most interesting and tragic character. I want to see his downfall ) Thanks for the great analysis
I don't think Aegon is bad person like Joffrey or Ramsey theya rebad people Aegon was made monster by people around him seeking love and attention he never got
When I read Fire & Blood, I didn't sympathize at all with Aegon and couldn't wait for him to meet his fate. In only a couple of episodes, I've completely changed my opinion and feel terrible for him. Like said in the video: he absolutely had no chance. Even tho that doesn't excuse his horrible actions, it makes his character so compelling and interesting to watch. Knowing how it all ends for him just makes it even more depressing.
Sometimes, I wished Rhaenyra raised him as her ward, I'm really hoping that he may get some love and affection from Rhaenyra and family. But the way they are pitted against each other is just so tragic. 😢
I have a soft spot for him. He was basically left to his own device and when he does something they disapprove of they smack him around and yell at him. All of their kids are a mess. That's what happens when you have parents who could care less about you.
Having only 1 child is not good, because you need a spare. What if something happened to rhaenyra like dying in child birth like her mother. Everyone was pushing for him remarry
I get where you're coming from, but as soon as he had a male heir - and he had not only one, but three - war was inevitable. Even if Viserys had no more children, it's still likely that after his death some lords would raly behind Daemon and want him to be king, just because he is a man. And hypothetically, even if Rhaenyra's reign came and went in peace, let's not foget that three of her eldest children are not Targaryens, which is clear to everyone, and succession would definitely become an issue at that point, if not sooner.
@@LanaMarie not necessarily the reason rhaenyra was selected as heir which by the way was ottos suggestion was because daemon was wild reckless and not trustworthy. Alot of the lords didn't like him and thought he'd be another king. Who was the king before jaeherys. Viserys should've made aegon heir and finally discipline rhaenyra and daemon for their screw ups.
I really like show ageon I think he's a Intresting, tragic and complex character but I don't like how they have characterised him in one aspect and the greens in general, the character I'm getting shown is someone I find sympathetic if kinda a douchey frat boy who has a lot of different sides to him good and bad but i don't like having him abuse the girl or being involved with the child fighting rings, I think it makes his character a tad too villainess and it makes it really hard to side with him if tho I really want too, I have similar issues with how aggressively the greens are being villainized and the writers trying to wipe as much blood as possible of the blacks hands, I want both sides of be a lot more grey in the morality
Agreed. These videos ignore the complete dark side of this character to talk about the tragedy of him. Yes he was abused, but he chose to hurt innocent people and children. He doesn’t deserve sympathy. This season just shows us who he is, not to make him a reedeamable person to us, and I think most are missing the point because he’s more human to them now. Sad how a terrible person growing is enough to get people to ignore who they truly are, but it’s easier to think black and white instead of grey like you mention.
I feel the writers really underestimated the strength Tom Glynn-Carney's acting that he was going to bring to season two, because he shines in every single scene. I understand Aegons flaws but he is the most sympathetic character despite the writers best attempts to make you feel otherwise. Thats how powerful his performance is, that it completely overpowers the very obvious negative intentions of the writers to make you hate him.
If they literally changed the part about him raping his maid and made it him just being irresponsible by sleeping around, they would 100% have a perfect "tragic himbo accidentally promoted above his ability" character. But they kinda messed it up. I really don't think they knew what they wanted to do with him.
In defense of Viserys, It was common feudal practice in Westeros to try to further and ensure the legacy of a house even after the heir is designated. Viserys did not know how long his health would enable him to make heirs and did not know if Rhaenyra herself would live long enough to take the throne. A bout of great pox or any accident could easily shift the winds of fate. His decision was a good one for House Targaryen. BUT, he did not work hard enough to ensure each member of his family, including Aegon, served the precedent he was creating in Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra also failed to honor her own obligations by siring bastard sons, genuinely ignoring her future vassals in the courtship era, and neglecting her role in the capital until it was too late. So it was a perfect example of weakness and indecision creating future instability.
His character really grew on me in season 2, maybe mostly to the actor. But I feel really bad for him. There is obviously good in him but he was never taught how to be good. And everyone that should love him, well...
I agree who's to blaime for the dance of dragons , Viserys its bcz of him and his stupidity though the show makes you feel sympathy for regadless of his insane decisions
Viserys needed to remarry tho and have some more kids cause what if Rhaenyra would have died? Eventhough he would have still had Daemon...but that was the point, nobody wanted Daemon to be the king , Viserys just made a huge mistake by marrying a Hightower ....Hightowers hate everything Targaryen or Valyrian if you will...Viserys should have married within the family, Laena for example, Laena married with Daemon anyway who is just 4 years younger than Viserys...so it wouldnt have been so bad in their world
There needs to be section devoted to Aegon's dragon-sized balls. The dragons can barely fly beneath the weight of them especially when he gets into another dragon fight.
I didn't care the part of Aegon who would use handmaidens and so on, but I do realize, this boy...was presumed to be the heir, right? But Idk why he's not pushed to be more studious. Why is he spoiled rotten that he's a drunk by his teen years? Viserys was def. an absent father, heck he was not that great with rearing Rhaenyra anyway but yeah, with his children with Alicent? Complete utter spares. I disagree with you that Viserys shouldn't marry after Aemma, because you've seen how things went, Rhaenyra can die anytime too, so it's important to have spares. But I got annoyed that despite pointing Rhaenyra as heir, he also did little to make her more politically aware. Alicent was playing regent when he's sickly, fine, but he should've pointed Rhaenyra as his hand at the very least, after the unfortunate death of Lord Strong. Instead, he called back Otto Hightower, wtf--Viserys. Back to Aegon. I felt badly for him. His mother obviously didn't quite nurture him, her interactions with him were mostly of her chastizing him and screaming at him. I'm like...what's going on here lol. I'm also confused why they didn't put him to study at the Hightower, and only Daeron got that opportunity. Imo, if Aegon was raised with the Hightowers, he would come out much better (plus Aemond would not have a bully too lol)....anyway, I digress. Aegon is a fun character to watch. I find him a sensitive soul despite the crassness-drunkenness-etc. Like Aemond, he's afraid of rejection and to be vulnerable, so he postures instead and bullies others (i.e, Aemond)...sad really to watch. Imo, IF there is no war, I'd say either he or Rhaenyra would've been fine to be the ruler of Westerosi. Yes, Rhaenyra is more ... 'sober' lol, but still, Aegon wouldn't have mucked it up that much too, he does listen to his advisors at times and he does have some care for the smallfolks too....
Your video is interesting, but I think that Aegon is too terrible of a person to have as much smpathy you attribute to him. I think you could have talked about this stuff in an objective way, but it’s clear you have a soft spot for him. But you show only half of who he is, The good abused half. Then when you brush off the “he should be responsible for his actions” part as if his actions are constant r**ping of woman and using his children to fight like dogs makes me feel like you don’t understand the severity of those acts and how it influences this Aegon we see now. Not talking about his evilness misses parts of his tradegy as a character, but placing him in this light, like he’s just this abused kid who you literally call “poor Aegon” makes me think you shouldn’t make these videos. So I guess my point is, I think it’s fucked up how much sympathy you have for a fictional r*pist because his family was shitty. Makes me not trust your judgment nor want to subscribe.
You don't understand character and get mad lol rapist are not born they are made and using his children to fight like dogs when did it happen when Aegon does not know that he have bastards we also never see him in fighting pits it was said by Erryk who looses him all the time him being rapist is weird change by show to make Rhae look better but again we never see it we are only told since when HBO is scared to show gore scenes ?
@@VyctoriaBrooks your point is excellent and I agree but this person does not respond to people who don’t agree with her. I guess she understands she is in the minority with her green propaganda and clearly doesn’t have contra arguments for us. Shame really that this kind of person has a platform.
@@queenxx1690 green propaganda on the internet is you people trying to justify the actions of your favorite mass murderers, rapists, usurpers etc and failing miserably cuz it still doesn’t get through your thick skulls that majority of people hate the greens. Hope this helps. X
His line "I need to be informed of these things" already makes him much more redeemable than Rhaenyra
It was a good start. Aegon was nowhere near capable of ruling (nor is he now), but he seemed open to learning. It's a low bar, but it's more than Rh has done so far...
Rhaenyra has years of experience and has shown nothing but care towards the kingdom
@@farnesetbh8487 you mean care for her decrepit father's ideas. if she cared about the kingdom she would not bring it to war over her illegitimate claim on the throne
@@berndlauert8179 her claim is in no way illegitimate, she was declared by the king as heir and so did her first born, plus the andal laws (specifically the widow's law) actually protect rhaenyra's inheritance (it protects the inheritance of children of deceased wives against the children of the recent wife of the lord lol)
@@farnesetbh8487 her declaration of being heir was made void the moment viserys firstborn son was born, and the widow's law only applies to woman's inheritance if there are absolutely no sons because andals practice agnatic succession
Sometimes it's overwhelming with how much the writers want you to hate Aegon but it's next to impossible not to feel bad for him especially with Tom Glynn-Carney's performance oozing with enough snark and charisma to match Matt Smith's Daemon. I'm looking forward to show watchers being unable to recognize him at the end of the series, not just physically, but mentally as well. I think with the material we have left, Tom's superb nuanced performance, and what we have seen so far, we will be getting one of the greatest and most complicated villains on TV of all time.
Writers want us to hate someone so much that they write tragic characters for everyone? We see him as a complex character because of the material they wrote. And of course because of the excellent acting and direction of the scenes.
@@beden653 more so the explicit mention of his sexual assault and the eye rolling children fighting pit. They really came out of the gate swinging with his introduction lol
@@berserk4souls They literally had 2 episodes with a small number of scenes of the “adult” Aegon in the “I don’t care, there is no love in this world” stage. His revealed traits in the second season were clearly laid out in the first season, this is called character development.
That doesn't mean he wouldn't rape another maid, he now simply has other ways to get pleasure, although he continues to drink and go to brothels. Or do you think that his listening to the people in the throne room is a show of his love for the people? No, it's still the same Aegon from the first season, just with more time in the frame, which allows you to see his reaction to what is happening when he found “his way".
@@beden653 I understand where you’re coming from and you are correct but I’m also correct in pointing out how JARRING it feels going from season 1 to season 2 with Aegon. Also happens to a few other characters like Rhaenyra herself, Otto, and Alicent.
@@berserk4souls I agree, but I think it's because of the change in narrative structure. We used to time jump between episodes to see an important moment in the lives of the characters, but most of their development happened off-screen and was only implied. Also there is a shift in focus from Rhaenyra/Alicent to other characters due to the lack of need to introduce the viewer into context each episode with time skips. The viewer has time to breathe in the episodes, and the writers have time to delve deeper into the characters
"Mother, I never wanted it, but I have it now and want to live up to it, but I don't know how. What do I do?"
"What was always expected of you. Nothing. You are means for me and your grandfather to rule."
After that conversation, and drinking, I understand him being reckless beyond sense.
I think it's very telling when Aemond lost his eye in episode 7 and the person who got slapped was Aegon for not protecting Aemond from the strong boys. If have seen that episode you know that only hours ago he was drunk tf out and Otto kicked him, woke him up and sent him to the chambers. He got punished for not being there for Aemond, when everyone was supposed to be at their beds sleeping.
And now he is being shat on by everyone for being bad at something he was trained or prepared for in the first place.
No matter what happens, even if he is the least responsible person for the war he is getting blamed for everything.
Even when his son is dead his mother can't comfort him.
Worse his family tells him to just sit back and shut up about it.
It really tells you how he was treated his entire life and why he ended up becoming what he became. Truly the most tragic case.
What I love about f&b is that Aegon isn’t the strongest or smartest but he and sunfyre win through sheer will power and love for Sunfyre and his family
He was my favorite in F&B. I hated how they portrayed him in season 1. But his character in season 2 was a pleasant surprise. I hate this cyclop so much for what he did to him🤬
@@TheDream6842 I know right In the books he’s so much better and it’s sad because the actor is so good
@@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096 Hear hear.
@@Rengokuo4o6 true
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I'm so glad people are loving aegon as the complex character he is! Amaizng analysis 💚
in the movie, aegon more humanis than the black w**re
one of my favourite details in season 1 is aegon's short jagged hairs. tom glynn-carney discussed with the then-showrunner miguel sapochnik to give aegon this hairstyle because aegon cut his own hairs as a way to distant himself from his targaryen root that he hated so much, his rejection of his own family because in his mind they hated him. as opposed to aemond's long luscious hairs similar to how other targaryens on the show because he embraced the valyrian ideals and traditions.
it's not hard to imagine that aegon might've also hated the targaryen custom of wedding siblings, so he probably had to drink himself into near stupor to be able to force himself onto helaena. tom said in an interview that while aegon saw his little sister as an oddball, he learnt to have respect for her for giving him 2 beautiful children, but ultimately aegon and helaena existed in 2 parallel worlds of their own, they both lack the capability to give the other what they needed and they were happy to stay that way. ughhh the tragedy...
I know the show is pretty pro-team black but I swear someone in that writer room is fighting to put all these little details in for team green's characters that make them so much more interesting than the straight "good guys with a modern sense of morality" on team black.
thanks for sharing these details from the interviews/bts!
The casting for Aegon couldn't be better.
I feel so bad for Aegon. Throughout his entire life, his mother and grandfather insisted he must become king, warning that if he failed, he, his brothers and sister, and his children would be killed by his half-sister. No matter what he did, it was never enough. To make matters worse, his own father barely acknowledged his existence. Despite being the firstborn son, his father preferred spending time with a model city rather than with him. Aegon never experienced unconditional love. Regardless of his efforts, nothing mattered, so he eventually gave up and sank into degeneracy.
Then he was literally dragged and forced to become king. This led to the tragic loss of his beloved son, and once again, no one was there for him in his darkest hour. Even then, he couldn't do anything without being ridiculed by his family. When he tried to be a magnanimous king and take his role seriously, he was undermined and insulted. When he wanted to participate in the campaign, he was undermined and insulted. When he did nothing, he was still undermined and insulted. He literally couldn't do anything without being insulted.
I was surprised by how much I cared for Aegon's character in season 2, because he was such a prick in season 1, and he still was in season 2. A lot comes from the actor, I think, he was great in not portraying him as a caricature. But your analysis was into point, and yes, Viserys and Alicent were horrible parents, even though their intentions weren't bad.
Aegon might be a "bad guy" but thankfully Tom plays him with so much emotion he jumps off the screen and shows off a wide diverse range of emotions that lets you know this character is capable of loving someone as much as he is capable of hanging 100 ratcatchers to get one guilty catcher.
Aegon is the best character of the season. He didn't want the crown, he had to be beaten and dragged to his own coronation, and when the people cheered for him, he felt validation for the first time in his life. So he tried being a belowed king, and a father to his son that Viserys never was to him. And he had his son murderd in revenge for something he didn't do. Despite everything he follows his councils advice and parades his sons corpse despite his diguist. He wants to take vengance yet everyone forces him to do nothing. He recives no simpathy nor comfort from any of his family members, not from his mother, grandfather, or brother. He can't even look into the eyes of his wife out of guilt, and even if he could dou to her strangeness (medieval people didn't know what autism is) he can't realy connect with her. After that he constantly gets disrespected by his brother and grandfather who wants to sit on his ass writing letter while not giveing a shit about his grief. Cole and Larys are the only ones who show some respect to him. He appoints Cole, the only man willing to take action, and he gets bereted and told of by his mother and grandfater that he is a piece of shit, whom they only want as a pupet figurehead, and no matter what he does, he will never be as good of a king or person as his father who never cared about him. So he takes action, the only way he can, he goes into battle with his dragon, bravely facing down the way larger Meleys and the more experienced Rhaenys. He fights against all odds, knowing that he will either have revenge or died knowing that he tried claiming vengance for his son. And when he thinks salvation arrived he gets betrayed, and gets crippled. The crown he didn't want was forced on him, and he lost everything for it.
I like the point you made about sunfyre being the only one to ever show aegon real love. No spoilers but considering how much they go through together during the dance it really shows how strong their bond was from the start. It goes beyond normal riders and dragons if you ask me.
Viserys should have made Aegon Rhaenyra’s cupbearer so everyone would be used to him serving her. I think he also should have let her sit the iron throne in his place sometimes. And Alicent should have at least taught Aegon decorum if she always planned to have him usurp his sister. He didn’t even want to do it!
Such a fascinating character, excited for what happens later on
Sometimes i think that i could write a big essay about Aegon. He is so complex character, unlike the others in this show. Aegon is a mess and he has nobody from his family on his side. I would like to see how this mess get out of hand after the betrayal. Especially in the context of his relationship with Larys. Aegon is a bad person, very bad (like most of the characters in this show), but he is also the most interesting and tragic character. I want to see his downfall ) Thanks for the great analysis
It’s good to see you again
I don't think Aegon is bad person like Joffrey or Ramsey theya rebad people Aegon was made monster by people around him seeking love and attention he never got
@@queenxx1690 I think he is a bad person In both book and show but that he’s better than Rhenyra
When I read Fire & Blood, I didn't sympathize at all with Aegon and couldn't wait for him to meet his fate.
In only a couple of episodes, I've completely changed my opinion and feel terrible for him. Like said in the video: he absolutely had no chance. Even tho that doesn't excuse his horrible actions, it makes his character so compelling and interesting to watch. Knowing how it all ends for him just makes it even more depressing.
For me it was the opposite I loved him in f&b and I kinda liked him in hotd
Sometimes, I wished Rhaenyra raised him as her ward, I'm really hoping that he may get some love and affection from Rhaenyra and family. But the way they are pitted against each other is just so tragic. 😢
He wont be a pawn later on
He learns
What pissed ne about this show how they portray Viserts as a good king he was not one😂
Sunfire, was the best dragon. the head bud it gives Aegon was so cute.
I have a soft spot for him. He was basically left to his own device and when he does something they disapprove of they smack him around and yell at him. All of their kids are a mess. That's what happens when you have parents who could care less about you.
I hope they developp him well, there’s great potential for character development
I don't justify his actions (especially with the girl ) but I really love his character I find him very interesting
It's amazing what an actor that desperately wants to give deep to his character can do
Having only 1 child is not good, because you need a spare. What if something happened to rhaenyra like dying in child birth like her mother. Everyone was pushing for him remarry
He should have just made Aegon his heir, it was expected.
I get where you're coming from, but as soon as he had a male heir - and he had not only one, but three - war was inevitable. Even if Viserys had no more children, it's still likely that after his death some lords would raly behind Daemon and want him to be king, just because he is a man. And hypothetically, even if Rhaenyra's reign came and went in peace, let's not foget that three of her eldest children are not Targaryens, which is clear to everyone, and succession would definitely become an issue at that point, if not sooner.
@@LanaMarie not necessarily the reason rhaenyra was selected as heir which by the way was ottos suggestion was because daemon was wild reckless and not trustworthy. Alot of the lords didn't like him and thought he'd be another king. Who was the king before jaeherys. Viserys should've made aegon heir and finally discipline rhaenyra and daemon for their screw ups.
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I really like show ageon I think he's a Intresting, tragic and complex character but I don't like how they have characterised him in one aspect and the greens in general, the character I'm getting shown is someone I find sympathetic if kinda a douchey frat boy who has a lot of different sides to him good and bad but i don't like having him abuse the girl or being involved with the child fighting rings, I think it makes his character a tad too villainess and it makes it really hard to side with him if tho I really want too, I have similar issues with how aggressively the greens are being villainized and the writers trying to wipe as much blood as possible of the blacks hands, I want both sides of be a lot more grey in the morality
Agreed. These videos ignore the complete dark side of this character to talk about the tragedy of him. Yes he was abused, but he chose to hurt innocent people and children. He doesn’t deserve sympathy. This season just shows us who he is, not to make him a reedeamable person to us, and I think most are missing the point because he’s more human to them now. Sad how a terrible person growing is enough to get people to ignore who they truly are, but it’s easier to think black and white instead of grey like you mention.
I feel the writers really underestimated the strength Tom Glynn-Carney's acting that he was going to bring to season two, because he shines in every single scene. I understand Aegons flaws but he is the most sympathetic character despite the writers best attempts to make you feel otherwise. Thats how powerful his performance is, that it completely overpowers the very obvious negative intentions of the writers to make you hate him.
If they literally changed the part about him raping his maid and made it him just being irresponsible by sleeping around, they would 100% have a perfect "tragic himbo accidentally promoted above his ability" character.
But they kinda messed it up. I really don't think they knew what they wanted to do with him.
In defense of Viserys, It was common feudal practice in Westeros to try to further and ensure the legacy of a house even after the heir is designated. Viserys did not know how long his health would enable him to make heirs and did not know if Rhaenyra herself would live long enough to take the throne. A bout of great pox or any accident could easily shift the winds of fate. His decision was a good one for House Targaryen. BUT, he did not work hard enough to ensure each member of his family, including Aegon, served the precedent he was creating in Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra also failed to honor her own obligations by siring bastard sons, genuinely ignoring her future vassals in the courtship era, and neglecting her role in the capital until it was too late. So it was a perfect example of weakness and indecision creating future instability.
His character really grew on me in season 2, maybe mostly to the actor. But I feel really bad for him. There is obviously good in him but he was never taught how to be good. And everyone that should love him, well...
I love Otto, he's my fav
one of the best acting performances on the show
Best, most beautiful, puppy, wonderful baby rightful King, Aegon the II, the Magnanimous
He is an interesting combination of Nero and Henry V
I agree who's to blaime for the dance of dragons , Viserys its bcz of him and his stupidity though the show makes you feel sympathy for regadless of his insane decisions
Viserys needed to remarry tho and have some more kids cause what if Rhaenyra would have died? Eventhough he would have still had Daemon...but that was the point, nobody wanted Daemon to be the king , Viserys just made a huge mistake by marrying a Hightower ....Hightowers hate everything Targaryen or Valyrian if you will...Viserys should have married within the family, Laena for example, Laena married with Daemon anyway who is just 4 years younger than Viserys...so it wouldnt have been so bad in their world
Actually his reckless moves almost worked.
There needs to be section devoted to Aegon's dragon-sized balls. The dragons can barely fly beneath the weight of them especially when he gets into another dragon fight.
I didn't care the part of Aegon who would use handmaidens and so on, but I do realize, this boy...was presumed to be the heir, right? But Idk why he's not pushed to be more studious. Why is he spoiled rotten that he's a drunk by his teen years? Viserys was def. an absent father, heck he was not that great with rearing Rhaenyra anyway but yeah, with his children with Alicent? Complete utter spares. I disagree with you that Viserys shouldn't marry after Aemma, because you've seen how things went, Rhaenyra can die anytime too, so it's important to have spares. But I got annoyed that despite pointing Rhaenyra as heir, he also did little to make her more politically aware. Alicent was playing regent when he's sickly, fine, but he should've pointed Rhaenyra as his hand at the very least, after the unfortunate death of Lord Strong. Instead, he called back Otto Hightower, wtf--Viserys. Back to Aegon. I felt badly for him. His mother obviously didn't quite nurture him, her interactions with him were mostly of her chastizing him and screaming at him. I'm like...what's going on here lol. I'm also confused why they didn't put him to study at the Hightower, and only Daeron got that opportunity. Imo, if Aegon was raised with the Hightowers, he would come out much better (plus Aemond would not have a bully too lol)....anyway, I digress. Aegon is a fun character to watch. I find him a sensitive soul despite the crassness-drunkenness-etc. Like Aemond, he's afraid of rejection and to be vulnerable, so he postures instead and bullies others (i.e, Aemond)...sad really to watch. Imo, IF there is no war, I'd say either he or Rhaenyra would've been fine to be the ruler of Westerosi. Yes, Rhaenyra is more ... 'sober' lol, but still, Aegon wouldn't have mucked it up that much too, he does listen to his advisors at times and he does have some care for the smallfolks too....
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Deute. 18:10-14,
Your video is interesting, but I think that Aegon is too terrible of a person to have as much smpathy you attribute to him. I think you could have talked about this stuff in an objective way, but it’s clear you have a soft spot for him. But you show only half of who he is, The good abused half. Then when you brush off the “he should be responsible for his actions” part as if his actions are constant r**ping of woman and using his children to fight like dogs makes me feel like you don’t understand the severity of those acts and how it influences this Aegon we see now. Not talking about his evilness misses parts of his tradegy as a character, but placing him in this light, like he’s just this abused kid who you literally call “poor Aegon” makes me think you shouldn’t make these videos. So I guess my point is, I think it’s fucked up how much sympathy you have for a fictional r*pist because his family was shitty. Makes me not trust your judgment nor want to subscribe.
You don't understand character and get mad lol rapist are not born they are made and using his children to fight like dogs when did it happen when Aegon does not know that he have bastards we also never see him in fighting pits it was said by Erryk who looses him all the time him being rapist is weird change by show to make Rhae look better but again we never see it we are only told since when HBO is scared to show gore scenes ?
The show is full of characters that do terrible things to gain power( this is the surface, of course), but deep down, we can sympathize with them.
@@VyctoriaBrooks your point is excellent and I agree but this person does not respond to people who don’t agree with her. I guess she understands she is in the minority with her green propaganda and clearly doesn’t have contra arguments for us. Shame really that this kind of person has a platform.
@@viktorblazeski7559 what is green propaganda to you ? you use it yet you do not understnd where it came from and how is US ?
@@queenxx1690 green propaganda on the internet is you people trying to justify the actions of your favorite mass murderers, rapists, usurpers etc and failing miserably cuz it still doesn’t get through your thick skulls that majority of people hate the greens. Hope this helps. X
I refuse to hear any Viserys slander
Well that’s too bad